Lanterns Has A Nice Ring To It

Clip 00:01 Hey boss, there's another one. Dave 00:11 This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 628 for the week of August 17th, 2026. I am hey free Jukebox money David T. Cole and I'm here with Flight Risk Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 00:29 Come on Dave 00:30 Melanie Fantar Ariano. Tara 00:32 I got a brand new key and you're gonna hear about it. Dave 00:34 Hey, Coach Kate Sanchez. Kate 00:37 Clear eyes, full heart, and I think I kinda lost this Tara 00:46 Welcome to Extra Hot Great for another week. Joining us, she is the editor-in-chief and co-owner at the Geek. community but why though you've heard her with us before but it's been a minute it's Kate Sanchez welcome back Kate Dave 01:00 Welcome back, E. Kate 01:02 Hi, very excited, very, very excited, and very excited to talk about this show with y'all because my boy's in it. Dave 01:07 Yeah. Tara 01:07 Yes, you are the most qualified to talk about lanterns Dave 01:08 And thank God you're here to help us out. Tara 01:16 in which Jon Stewart, John with an H, a character played by Aaron Pierre, not the best known host of the Daily Show. Dave 01:23 What if this lantern only did lantern stuff on Mondays? Tara 01:29 It would be very inconvenient. He is a former Marine. He's been recruited to train under Hal Jordan. Kyle Chandler as a lantern, one of a team of intergalactic peacekeepers whose powers come from their rings. John is two months into his work with Hal when a digital projection of Hal from ten years ago gives John a message about Rushville, Nebraska, where current day Hal believes extraterrestrial activity is underway. No one agrees from local sheriff Carrie Kane, Kelly McDonald, to Hal's own trainee. But guess what, you guys? He's right. The show was created by Chris Mundy, who formerly wrote on Ozark. CIA officer turned comic book writer Tom King and Damon Lindelof of being Damon Lindelof. Only one episode has aired so far on HBO. We did not get screeners, so that's all we're gonna talk about. Let's do the Chen check-in, Kate. Should our listeners watch lanterns? Kate 02:25 Why do I have to go first? Uh mm. Dave 02:28 Hey hold that thought, I'll go. Kate 02:30 Yeah, you go. Dave 02:30 Um I'm gonna be a little uh silent this episode because I had a uh bad week and I'm just recuperating, but we did get a chance to watch lanterns, and I'm gonna say so far so good. Mostly because the DC comics of it all, I feel like is at a minimum. So it's been very easy to follow and familiar. Tara 02:48 Mm-hmm. Yes, I agree. This is the Logan of DC.complimentary. I thought it was interesting. I will keep watching, Sarah. Sarah 02:57 Yeah, qualified, yes. Tara 02:59 Kate Kate 03:00 Yeah, yeah. I think that this probably has the most gas that DC's been cooking with in its uh TV arm so far. Tara 03:11 Mm-hmm. Kate 03:12 I just have my qualms. I think I I would say somebody should watch it. Tara 03:16 Let's get into it. Kate, what would you tell a peacemaker fan to get them in the door for the very different vibe of lanterns, or do you think they shouldn't? Kate 03:34 Ooh. I think production quality. Tara 03:37 Mm-hmm Kate 03:37 I I think the production quality in it is what gets you in the door. Tara 03:42 Yeah. Kate 03:42 But I think that that's pretty much where it's gonna stop. Peacekeeper is wildly different than this show. Um, but I would say true detective fans may find something to love here. Tara 03:51 Mm. Dave 03:51 Yeah, sure. Sarah 03:53 Mm-hmm Tara 03:53 Yeah Dave 03:53 Yeah, it kind of felt like what was the movie by the Yellowstone guy we watched, and it's like a bank robbery. Help to Hell Tara 04:00 Heller High Water. Dave 04:01 It kinda had that vibe to it for me. Kate 04:02 Yeah Tara 04:02 Mm-hmm. Dave 04:03 Yeah, which I enjoyed. I thought it was a good movie despite being from the guy who writes everything in Hollywood. Tara 04:04 Yeah. Well, that's before he was that guy. Dave 04:09 That's right. Kate 04:09 I love Taylor Sheridan. Dave 04:11 Yes. Tara 04:11 That's fine. Sarah, the the you seem to resonate with the true detective comparison. G speak on that Sarah 04:19 Well, the only reason I can speak on that is because I have grounding in that lore, but anything that actually has lore, viz. me still taking a ration for pronouncing it Marvel Which I now will never stop doing. Tara 04:34 Mm-hmm. Sarah 04:34 Fight me. Tara 04:35 Right. Sarah 04:36 There's a um enough lore that it's like recognizable as a DC property. I guess, but it's not like off-puttingly, here's the fifteen movies you have to watch before this comes out in December type Tara 04:49 God. Kate 04:50 Yeah, Tara 04:50 Yes. Sarah 04:50 deep that's like you can get it from context and if you can't that adds to the mystery versus being like confusing or off puttingly opaque And the casting is above reproach. So that was 90% of why I was psyched to watch this and talk about it. And I think that will be ninety eight percent of why I keep going unless it does something really UFO-ish and turns me off. But I don't think that's likely. Kate 05:19 Yeah, well so I was gonna say it's really interesting. Some background on me. Um I read a lot of comics growing up and I read uh that uh my site originally started as a comic site. So like I'm very deeply ingrained in not just like comics, but more so specifically as Jon Stewart is my favorite lantern, because I was raised on Bruce Tim. Bruce Tim, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited. And I think that this is probably one of the first times that from a writing style, the lore is handled in a way similar to Bruce Timm. And I think like Bruce Timm introduced so many people to the world of DC and made fans, and he kind of created the quintessential versions of each character, including Jon Stewart. And I think here what you get is the the style that I'm talking about is kinda like what Sarah said. Like nothing's like super over over kind of like knocking you over the head You don't need to have watched anything else, but it's still going to slowly deliver what you need to understand about the world and what they do. Like there's a line towards the beginning where it says, it's usually a lantern doesn't train another lantern from their same planet. But as like a requirement. And so for me, my ears perked up because that's the type of like knowledge dropping that happens, but it's not being done in such a ham-fisted way, I would say. So I I think that like if I was just to put on my DC hat and not my football loving Kyle Chandler loving hat, it aces that and I think that I could see this being a Tara 06:43 Mm-hmm. Kate 06:47 good onboarding ramp for a lot of people, even if they're not going to find the same quality and narrative structure and lore delivery in other superhero elements, uh in other superhero series or or movies from DC. Tara 06:49 Yeah. Dave 06:58 Yeah, I mean I wonder what the mission statement for the show was towards the audience. Because I felt very catered to because the comic book intro stuff was sort of a slow burn, sort of slightly inserted, like Kate was saying. Kate 07:04 Yeah. Dave 07:12 And that appealed to me 'cause I didn't want to get bombarded with these are all the things you need to know, sort of Marvel in its tenth phase, you know, homework kind of style way. And DC has the benefit of having just been rebooted basically in Kate 07:25 Press the reset button Dave 07:27 Yeah, hasn't had doesn't have the mountain of content to scale yet. For me, it really just felt like one of those aughts HBO shows. Sarah 07:37 Mm-hmm Dave 07:37 And there's just a like a little mm-hmm a little a little laqua flavor of lanterns in there somewhere Tara 07:44 I was gonna say soup song, but we we both went French. Dave 07:45 S still yes, thank you. St I I yeah, I would never get there. Tara 07:49 Mm-hmm Dave 07:49 Still delicious coined water so far Tara 07:53 So, one of the first events we see in a a pre-present flashback to nineteen ninety-six is a young John getting punished by his army guy father, maybe he's a marine, I don't know, don't yell at me. William Tell style, but with a handgun instead of a bow and arrow, and afterwards they hug. As an adult, John still talks to this man Kate explained because I was like, what the Fuck? I feel like this is, you know, what happens before a child gets taken away from their home? Dave 08:19 Uh Tara had an upbringing that was very different from the three of us, which I'm sure had Apple shot off our heads on the reg. All right, please. Kate 08:28 I to be honest I actually really loved this because I think that they were trying to very concisely demonstrate the marine of it all. He is a marine. Tara 08:38 Now Kate 08:38 It's it's why John goes into to the Marines as well. There is an ethos behind Jon Stewart as a character. He's not going to flip the table until he's been proven that working within the confines of a law or anything like that is outside of uh the realm. So I think it actually, even though he's a child, I think it does set up the direct Tara 08:56 Well Kate 09:00 How how much working with an authority has been put into him? And I think that this specific scene with the dad, I don't remember much about Jon Stewart's father, to be entirely honest, because some of my favorite stuff With Jon Stewart is primarily looking at recovery from war and like stuff like that. But what I think you get here is just trying to build up that every system in his life is essentially the military. Tara 09:25 Mm-hmm. Kate 09:26 And that is that goes down to parenting um as well. And at least from like looking at two, his his father was like never going to actually hit him because of the training his father have. I Tara 09:36 Sure Kate 09:36 I think I don't know if they mention, if I remember correctly, Jon Stewart is a recon marine specifically, which is kind of like that a green beret Tara 09:46 Yeah. Kate 09:47 but for Marines. And I think he comes from like a line of high achieving military officers, which would put his dad somewhere there. But I could be wrong with that, or that could just be one of the many tellings of Jon Stewart. Tara 09:59 Sure. Kate 09:59 Um but yeah. Tara 10:00 Sarah, you come from a family where there were military parents. What did you think of that scene? Dave 10:04 I was hoping you would say lanterns. Sarah 10:08 Well, you know, the military people in my family were also high functioning alcoholics and um they used cherries instead of apples, so that's why I'm like the just kidding. Dave 10:08 You know, flying around. Kate 10:15 As most military people. Sarah 10:20 Except about the alcoholic part. Sorry, Pad. I thought that that was a not elegant exactly, but there's something about Batman is maybe the most egregious version of this, but like the way that this universe inhabits the actual universe. was really refreshing to me. Not just that there is this sort of like, not exactly foundational trauma, but like this thing from Jon Stewart's childhood that is not Quite right, but also not this like dead parents in an alley level trauma. Kate 10:58 Yeah. Sarah 10:59 It's like a little bit more legible to people Tara 11:02 Yeah. Sarah 11:03 To the audience. And also that the lanterns just like operate in the world and are recognizable, but it's not this like Superman or Homelander situation. Like it they just are integrated into the world around them in a way that I found very refreshing. And not everything was this like somber secret Nobody knows the troubles we've seen, thing. Just totally that was new to me, or an improvement, I would say, over a lot of properties like this that are kind of Kate 11:32 Yeah. Sarah 11:36 weighed down by this sombriety that's that's not as interesting now like generations into this genre. Dave 11:46 It's also nice that Jon Stewart is a very stoic character and that they compare him with Kyle Chandler here, who is not. Kate 11:53 Yeah. Dave 11:53 You know, of course he is delight and he gets all the good lines in the first one and you know Jon Stewart is here to be stoic and play off. I guess we'll see where that goes when he learns some lessons down the line, I am sure. Kate 12:04 Yeah. Dave 12:05 But I did enjoy the story beat where the lantern is sort of proof that or he rather he brings proof to earth that there are people out there and people sort of deal with that on one level. But the other thing they're saying about the case in particular that forms in the first episode is it's okay for humans to know there's life out there, much in the same way we've seen like perhaps evidence there was water on Mars, therefore question Mark, question Mark. But to actually see an alien on your football field, that would be really fucked up and really create some some mayhem in our universe. Tara 12:38 Mm-hmm. Dave 12:38 And I like that beat of it. That like How do you have a case where the stakes are, oh no, aliens, in a world where aliens are kind of not a daily thing, but it's you know part of the news cycle now? Kate 12:50 Yeah. Dave 12:51 I thought that was smart. Kate 12:52 I um I think like one last thing on kind of like the background and piece from childhood Uh so Bruce Timm was the creator of Jon Stewart essentially. He took who was an architect in the Bronze Age of DC Comics and then brought him gave him the Green Lantern ring and uh kind of like you noted, David, he's the antithesis. Like he he's the the exact polar opposite of all the other Green Lanterns. It's a thing that's fun with lanterns. They're all a lot of them are humans. They don't see I die and him and Hal buttheads a lot. But I think one of the most important things that they're pulling through from Jon Stewart's origin is more so just like making it a blip because the the majority of what Jon Stewart does deal with all has to deal with his military service itself. It makes me question what direction they're going to here with modern day because the Vietnam War was so important to developing Jon Stewart as a character. And I don't know if there's even using um Iraq as as a background for it. Like I don't know if they're gonna be able to I don't know how they're gonna get the depth that develops as a character. And so My uh now that I'm thinking about it, I think the father stuff is actually gonna be more of a worry for me because he doesn't have a tragic backstory. His his tragedy and trauma comes from war. It doesn't come from a bad dad. Sarah 14:15 Right, and then it seems timeline wise like they would have difficulty lining that up with a Middle East like Iraq, Afghanistan. Tara 14:16 Mm-hmm. Dave 14:16 Ah, Kate 14:20 Yeah. Yep. Sarah 14:24 post combat situation. So yeah, I guess we'll see. Dave 14:27 Well DC is the one that has not real universe placement, so they can just Yeah. Kate 14:28 Yeah. Oh, that's true. Tara 14:32 Right. Kate 14:32 They could just make one, yeah. Tara 14:33 Make up a country. Dave 14:33 They can just make up a war. Tara 14:35 Yeah. Sarah 14:35 Oh yeah, true. Kate 14:35 Ugh, I hate that even more. Dave 14:38 Uh the one one of the things I think they could slip in that he has seen some sort of action or was involved in some sort of an organization is the antagonists in the first episode, they live on a militia farm, so you know, eventually they're going to butt heads with this paramilitary organization, which could surface some stuff for that character, you know, probably in the writing. Kate 14:54 Mm. Yeah Tara 15:00 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dave 15:01 Yeah. Tara 15:02 The supporting cast is stacked. Even the kid has two other TV credits this year from It's not like that. R. I. P. and Spider-Noir. Is there anyone you're most excited to see more of? Sarah, you can go first. Sarah 15:15 Definitely excited to see Mrs. Dillahunt. I did not write down character names, sorry. Tara 15:20 Zoe. Zoe Macon. Yes. It's Poorna Jagannathan for those who didn't watch. Sarah 15:25 I was like, is that is she in a bar in Nebraska? Then it was, and then she was on Jon Stewart, and I was like, okay. Tara 15:35 Mm-hmm Sarah 15:36 That actor has so many so many layers and for her to be in something like this is like a plus. Always love Kelly McDonald Interested to see how her character evolves and uh Jason Ritter, always a pleasure. So yeah, everyone. And I did remember the cat. I was like, have I seen the kid before? Oh yeah. Tara 15:54 Yep. Dave 15:55 It was weird hearing her without her accent though. I don't know if I enjoyed that. Tara 15:58 Which? Dave 15:58 Kelly McDonald Tara 15:59 Kelly McDonald? Yeah. Sarah 16:00 Oh, did you hear her without her accent? Tara 16:01 Well Dave 16:02 Well, okay, sure. Sarah 16:03 Because that's not the performance I was seeing. Which I don't care to be clear. Tara 16:06 She was sure. Sarah 16:07 I just like Tara 16:08 Mm-hmm. Sarah 16:08 Watching her try to steer this accent through the wheat fields of Nebraska was like, all right. Tara 16:16 Yeah. Sarah 16:16 I don't care, but good luck to you. Tara 16:19 I assume s Kate, since she's a Kane that she's somehow related to Lana Kane, is that true, or they just made her up? Kate 16:26 I don't know, to be honest. Tara 16:27 Okay. All right. Kate 16:29 Like I I think, but yeah, I I don't know. Tara 16:32 Anyone in the cast you were especially excited to see? Kate 16:35 Um, I think specifically uh Purna, uh, I loved her. Jason Ritter is a standout. I love anytime Jason Ritter is in an in an ensemble But I think it's really gonna be what they're gonna do with Nathan Fillion and Sky Gardener. Tara 16:49 No, no, no. Kate 16:49 Because he's on the cast list for seven episodes. Again, a lantern that is vastly different. And I didn't really like him that much in Superman So it's gonna be interesting to see like what he plays. Tara 17:02 Yeah Kate 17:02 And I'm happy that I looked up at IMDB to find out that Ch Kyle Chandler is credited in eight episodes because he is Tara 17:09 Mm mm Kate 17:10 One of my favorite actors in existence. He has aged like a fine wine and I love that man. Dave 17:15 Yeah. Sarah 17:15 Mm-hmm Kate 17:16 But I just don't know what's going to go on with this. I think we get kind of introduced to it with like the hologram stuff. and the the time jump, but I think that that's gonna be where I may get lost or lock in. Tara 17:31 Yeah. On the age tip, I was a little weirded out when it seemed like Hal was saying he was sort of like interested in Carrie. He was f in interested in how she hated him, or you know. Kate 17:39 Yeah Tara 17:42 And I was like, she's a child, because I still think of Kelly McDonald as Diane from train spotting, even though she is now fifty and he is sixty, so that would be fine, really. Sarah 17:42 Mm-hmm. Kate 17:50 Get away from her. Tara 17:52 Yeah. Dave, we didn't talk about this, but are you disappointed that we got a TV show about a ring-wearing hero from a serialized story format and it is not present-day Billy Zane reprising his role as the phantom? Dave 18:04 That's the Phantom Slam Evil. Tara 18:06 Yeah. Dave 18:06 Yeah. Our good neighbor from when we lived in LA, our friend Billy Zane. Tara 18:11 Yes. He's a good dude Sarah 18:14 Yeah, it's good. Dave 18:14 Oh man, I just apropos of nothing, but the corner I lived on uh near La Brea had like 20 coffee shops. It was like the coffee shop corner, it was like four corners, and they seemed to all be coffee shops or cafes Tara 18:24 Well, I think that it's because of that sneaker place. I s I think they were probably all doing good business from the people that lined up for sneakers all the time. Dave 18:31 Okay. Well the one of them was an old Italian restaurant, so I don't think the sneaker bros are going there in the morning. Tara 18:36 Perhaps not. Dave 18:37 But that's where Billy Zane would park it and he would have his dainty little coffee cup and he would be like doing the mafioso stir for like three minutes. dressed to the nines. He always posing. He's always got his legs crossed. Just stirring. I don't even know if he even drank it. But anyways, our good friend Billy Zane. Yeah, Billy throw let's throw Billy's head in there too. Tara 18:56 Yeah. Dave 18:56 He could be a lantern, he could be one of the other colored lanterns, apparently, that we have in the universe. Tara 18:58 Mm-hmm. You still handsome? Dave 19:00 Yeah. Yeah. Tara 19:01 Final question, it's a dumb one Dave 19:03 Okay. Tara 19:04 We see Hal use his ring to generate a ten dollar bill and then explain why that is not counterfeiting. Dave 19:09 Excuse me. Tara 19:10 Yes. Was it? Oh sorry. Other than money, what do you think you would use a Green Lantern ring to do most? If you had one. Kate 19:20 Well now that I know that I can make objects, I just make all the magic the gathering cards that are too expensive for me to buy. Dave 19:27 We don't honor the glowing green ones here, Kate. You can't play them. Kate 19:31 But we could we could I so this is gonna be ver this is gonna make me even like nerdier Dave 19:34 Hmm. Kate 19:38 There's a format in magic called a cube where you essentially assemble different decks for people to use out of like one cube, which is something very fun to say. Hey guys, I have a cube. Uh so I would just make a glowing green cube that are all decks just made from the ring. Dave 19:53 Yeah Okay. Tara 19:56 Love that. Dave 19:57 To play with or to own. Kate 19:59 To play with. Dave 19:59 Okay, good. Kate 20:00 Like I'd show up to the conventions and be like, hey. Dave 20:02 Yeah. Behold my collection Heb be jealous. Kate 20:06 Yeah. Dave 20:07 Alright Sarah, what are you making? Sarah 20:09 Shoes. Oh my God, shoes Tara 20:12 Dave Dave 20:12 Um I think Because I'm walking around in Austin lately to get coffee myself, and of course Austin here is approximately 1,000 degrees And the UV index is also at 1,000. Tara 20:24 Yeah. Dave 20:25 I think maybe instead of like spending ten minutes getting into all my sun gear, my really cool floppy hat, my extremely cool special hoodie with the fabric, I would just put a Tara 20:34 Wait, wait, stop. You're gonna drive everyone crazy from how horny they are now. Dave 20:36 I know everybody's g yeah. Yeah yeah. Uh sundome that just follows me around. It's like a gi it's like an umbrella I don't have to hold. Kate 20:42 Yeah. Tara 20:43 Ah okay Dave 20:44 Unless I well I that's the I'm just thinking about it now though. Kate 20:45 That's very useful actually. Dave 20:49 It's sort of see-through though, all the green effects, so it's maybe it's gonna be like a a mirror and it'll be like a bug underneath a magnifying glass and walking around this big hole in my head. What happened? Kate 20:59 So if I remember correctly, I'm gonna look it up, but if I remember correctly, the Green Lanterns light is that actually wrote like it it's refraction. So like you would it would still technically block the sun, if I remember. Dave 21:10 Okay. Phew Kate 21:15 It's been it's been years since I've accessed that type of lore, but I'm gonna check because I think I'm right. Dave 21:18 Yeah. Kate, I'm so glad you're here. Tara 21:22 My answer is since we recently saw how much fun it is to make Sandy run around after a laser pointer or just get a bigger, like a green ball, and make her run around after that, shrink it down to s toad size so she would try to eat it. Dave 21:33 I was gonna say you can actually have like a green cat running around or or little rat or something. Tara 21:37 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dave 21:38 Yeah. Yeah, that driver nuts. Tara 21:39 Yep. Kate 21:39 Yes, it is hardened light specifically. So it would it would either refract or because it's pure light would be absorbed. Dave 21:43 Hard and light. Is that hard science, hard and light? Kate 21:50 That is comic book science, my friend. Dave 21:53 All right, great. Wait, we've got to rewind for a second so I forgot to ask Kate a question. Clip 21:58 Spoilers a hoy do loot do do do do loo do Dave 22:01 What did you think about the big reveal at the end with the guy in the stands? Kate 22:05 I was angry. Dave 22:06 Okay. Kate 22:07 I was angry. Dave 22:09 Alright. Kate 22:09 It was blasphemous Dave 22:10 Okay. Tara 22:12 Oh, all right. Kate 22:13 I think we're either gonna live in flashbacks. I think we may live in flashback city, which isn't the worst because I have never the problem is is they have both Dave 22:16 Yeah. Kate 22:22 put together my least favorite lantern, but one of my favorite actors as a football girly. Tara 22:28 That's how they get ya. Dave 22:28 Hmm. Kate 22:28 So I Yeah. Dave 22:29 Take your medicine. Sarah 22:30 Mm-hmm. Dave 22:31 Alright, I gotta reset that, because that was definitely spoiler territory. Clip 22:39 Got a lot of shows. It's a great time for shows. Dave 22:43 All right, a sidefire around the dial first off tar. Tara 22:46 I watched the Apple TV movie The Dink. It is about Dusty Boyd, nicknamed The Hammer, for his power. He is played by Jake Johnson. In his youth he was a tennis phenom, but when he went pro, his first match ever against Andy Roddick ended in Dusty breaking his wrist during a mid game trip to the bathroom, which he claimed Roddick had left a puddle in for him to slip on and fall on his wrists, so in the present day he's an extremely arrogant pro at a tennis club run by his father Chuck, a wildly miscast Ed Harris. Dave 23:21 Wow. Tara 23:22 Yeah. Dave 23:23 Is it because he gets to sing at the end of the movie? Tara 23:25 You would think so, but no Dave 23:25 His rendition of the dink? The dink on the frontier. Tara 23:30 So there are two things Chuck hates, Dusty pretty much, and pickleball, players of which are always bugging him to convert more tennis courts for Dusty agrees with Chuck on this cause he's still desperate to win Chuck's love, but then Dusty hurts his wrist again and his doctor recommends that he try playing pickleball. While very grudgingly trying it out, Dusty meets a divorcee named Candice, played by Mary Steen Burgeon, and long story short, decides pickleball is not so bad after all. I listen to the podcast Hollywood Handbook, which is co-hosted by Hayes Davenport and Sean Clements, both of whom are sitcom writers, TV writers. Since Sean wrote the screenplay, I was hopeful I would like it, and then halfway through the movie I was like, oh right, I haven't really enjoyed anything he has written on, including Severance Speaking of which, Ben Stiller both appears as the doctor and produced the movie, and if you're thinking, Boy, I sure hope he found a role for his wife Christine Taylor, he did. I do think Johnson and Steinberg are good together just because they're good, but there was exactly one joke that made me laugh out loud, and this is it with uh this is Dusty and his ex-girlfriend who's played by Chloe Feynman. Clip 24:34 I'm the worst person ever. You never want to see me again. I believe he even called me unfaithful. I called you that, Marissa, because you cheated on me. Dusty? It was one time. It was eight times. Yeah, but it was with one guy. It was with nine guys. Tara 24:51 Still funny to me, but that was kind of it. Dave 24:53 I feel like Jake Johnson really isn't nearly as famous as he should be. And I mean it comes down to his choices a lot of the time, what he's in, that terrible movie that he maybe directed that one time. Tara 24:57 He's great. Yes. He did. Yeah, that's it. Dave 25:04 But I feel like he's just he missed something. Tara 25:04 That's dank. Dave 25:07 He slid a doors somewhere along the line. Tara 25:09 He's having a good year. He's in maximum pleasure guaranteed on Apple also. Dave 25:13 Yeah. Tara 25:14 So he's Dave 25:14 But I feel like the one-two of to watch his performance in New Girl and also Minx, I mean I feel like you get so wide of a spectrum just in those two roles that I feel like you could imagine him for most comedic and light drama parts. Tara 25:19 Yes Sure, and but this is a 90s Adam Sandler movie plot that straddles the line, the baseline, you might say, tennis term, between grounded and absurd. And it tips over to the wrong side, in my opinion. I love Jake Johnson forever, but I would have traded this movie for two more episodes of Minx in a second. So, you know, be aware of that. If you're a pickleball person, you'll probably like it more than I did. I will never play pickleball, not because I'm a tennis person. I just don't want to play a sport. Dave 25:53 It's outside. Tara 25:54 Um, and it's outside in this in the heat. Why would I do that? Dave 25:57 Yeah. Tara 25:58 For my plug, I wrote 4GQ why you should be watching season four of Reacher if that is not already Self-evident, that is the headline, and I will also say join the Extra Hot Great Club to hear us talk about Reacher season four In our latest episode, Extra Extra Hot Great 424, where Sarah was won over by Reacher's many charms. Dave 26:23 Alright, Kate, what have you been watching recently? People need to know about Kate 26:27 So for me, I have been watching Hard Knocks, a reality TV program that has been going on for years. I think over a decade at this point, not longer. And it is on HBO every season. They usually do two seasons a year and they follow a different team each NFL season. So one of the cool things about this year is that we're following the Seattle Seahawks. So we're going behind the scenes into their preseason games, training camps, all the way up a cut day, which is when you set your final roster. And what's interesting about this is while we've had Super Bowl champs in hard knocks as a part of like sometimes they do like an entire conference division within a conference, so it's like three, four teams that have been past winners coming off of a Super Bowl win. We've never had a dedicated season of just the Super Bowl winning team Um and Seattle has lost a few of its great players that helped bring home that trophy. So you're getting to kind of see a different side of it. And I think what Hard Knocks really does, um, I've been recommending it a lot to uh my friends that I'm trying to brainwash to at least watch football with me every now and again. Is it adds the human component to it where you actually understand like who is on that field, what they are doing, what they're like. Essentially when the Bills were on this, when Sinners came out, Hailee Steinfeld's husband is the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills He used it as a giant hype train for her where he was like, Yeah, my wife's amazing. I just throw a ball. Yeah, I I recommend it. I think if you like the game of football, if you just want to know players or see people, um, it's a really cool way to kind of deconstruct it and go a little bit behind the scenes. Dave 28:13 You think these guys are looking at the uh race car show and like, uh oh man, we've been doing that forever. Kate 28:19 I think so, actually, yeah. Like uh so it is funny because like Welcome to Rexum also a behind baseball type thing Drive to survive, all of them that are out now really take their inspiration from from how Hard Knox does it. Dave 28:30 Yep. Yep. Alright, so uh you are out there everywhere. Kate 28:40 Oh yes. Dave 28:40 You are trying to create green Magic the Gathering cards in your spare time, which can't be a lot because man, you You got your fingers everywhere. So w where can people find you on the internet? Kate 28:50 You can find all of my work at ButWhyTho. net where I run an independent entertainment outlet where we We cover video games, film, anime, television, pretty much everything. It's a great one-stop shop. I have a great team of writers who brings some really fantastic coverage. And then you can find me at Omemyth Randier on pretty much everywhere on the internet. I have been freelancing out more because I already had dedicated uh sports guys on my team who had the sports games. Tara 29:18 Mm-hmm. Kate 29:18 And so I wrote a lot about the college football video game at restart. run and I will be having my Madden review for the Madden video game going up on MMORP. If you are any at all interested in what a football girly has to say about football video games, uh you can check it out there. Tara 29:36 Awesome. Dave 29:39 Sara D Bunting Sarah 29:40 In the department of not really real games, except maybe The challenge is back for season 500, came back a couple weeks ago to Paramount Plus. It's the usual mix of old faves Brad, CT, TJ's borderline antisocial delight at a wrong answer in trivia, trapdooring a challenger 50 stories off the ground. New faves, Letty, a former pro wrestler, and non-faves, Corey, Karamaria, pointlessly Byzantine game structure. I actually naively thought during the season premiere that maybe the challenge would just keep the three initial teams, the captaincies of same, and the nominating process stable and straightforward throughout the season, But by the end of the hour, after a Calvin Ball ass nominating process, the team captains were called on to swap themselves out to switch up the intra-team social gameplay, and I was like Either I'm too old and fond of Brown liquor to follow this shit anymore, or the administrative framework of the competition is excessively broke. Why not both? I'm sure I've theorized this before when I've been talking about this show, but it's like the challenge as it started transitioning away from Throw a bunch of twenty-something attention whores into a giant mansion, keep the bar stocked, and schedule the occasional three-legged race equivalent so that it qualifies as a game show. towards a more legit physical competition framework that attracted more serious athletes, could recruit from Survivor and Amazing Race, and as a result cut down on a little of the boozy drama of the franchise's early years, all eighty of them, they had to create drama in the setup of the competition in a way that would also have the gameplay equivalent of an automatic shutdown so that Johnny Bananas wasn't popping the safe by episode four every season, basically. I think it has gone too far, but if you get a good mix of personalities in any given season, you can just let them explain shit to you in talking heads slash during fights Or decide not to care, skip ahead to the finale, see what happens in each episode's final face-off along the way, and then just watch the reunion for the actual drama. If you would like to discuss, I made a thread for it on our Extra Hot Great Club discord, and I hope I will see some of you there for my plug I have a bookshop. It's called Exhibit B Books. It is all and only true crime, mostly secondhand stuff. I just created a virtual recommendations Concierge. You will find that in the top nav of the website at exhibitbbooks. com. Fill it a form. I'll recommend within the genre for you or a giftee. First ten respondents will get a gift card just for trying it out. exhibitbbooks. com free shit Dave 32:38 That's gonna make a note to cut that fresh yet Well, speaking about free shit, uh next week right here on EHG Prime we're gonna be talking about blood sacrifices from Sweden. Blood sacrifice from Sweden. A also from Netflix, and we're gonna be welcoming back Sarah Baker for that. Before we get there, extra Extra Hot Great this Friday Boy, when Tara told me what was going on here, I didn't know whether to be extremely happy or extremely scared. It's the August Forsening we'll be watching in the Test Kitchen an episode called What Makes a Salad Exciting Tara 33:12 Boo There's gonna there's gonna be takes Dave 33:14 There's gonna be a lot of hot feelings this Friday on Extra Extra Hot Great. Go to extrahotgreat.com/club to join and enjoy all the salad talk this Friday. It is time for the Extra Hot Great cannon. Presenting this week is our good friend John Remos, aka the Couch Baron. John. Take it away. Clip 33:42 Hi, Extra Hot Great. Today I am taking a swing by bringing you season 2, Episode 8 of Heartstopper, entitled Perfect. This is definitely a teen show and as such isn't exactly for us, but I'm presenting it anyway because it's very well done and it's very much needed given the current state of the world. It tells the story of Charlie, a shy, nerdy teen who has outed and subsequently bullied, and his unlikely friendship turned romance with Nick, a popular rugby star and captain, who discovers via his feelings for Charlie that he is bisexual Surrounding them are Charlie's friend group, Elle, who was at Truham until she came out as trans and moved to Truham's sister school Higgs, Tao, the only cishet main character, and Tara and Darcy, a lesbian couple at Higgs. I picked this episode because to me, while being a representative episode in the care and warmth with which it treats its characters, it's also a real turning point in the show moving toward much more adult themes than it's previously explored Let's start with Ellen Tao. After one aborted attempt to get together, Ellen Tao kissed on a school trip to Paris. However, Elle more recently has also been accepted to a prestigious art college, far enough away that her attendance would necessarily change their relationship Knowing her decision is imminent, Tao decides to make a move in clip one. Do you want to be my girlfriend? Was that a serious question? Yes. Do you not want to? Yes! I want to be your girlfriend. Why are you being weird about it? I'm not being weird. You're with a relationship status official, they're free to celebrate it at their year 11 prom They are, let's be honest, the hottest couple in the joint, and as such it's perfectly believable that they would dominate the dance floor as the cure is just like heaven plays before they reach this simple exchange in clip two. The unconditional support Tao gives Elle's decision gives us the signal that the two of them will be okay. A and their joy particularly of the dance gives some needed balance to the heavier revelations and the other two couples storylines. Moving on to Tara and Darcy Through season two, the show had dropped hints that Darcy, outwardly probably the most confident character on the show and her sexuality, was not supported at home in the way her behavior in the outside world suggested. While we see early enough in the episode that Darcy is safe, the show doesn't generally want its viewers to twist with cheap worry. Tara, not having heard from her absent girlfriend, despite sending a series of increasingly panicked texts, finally confides in Nick that something is wrong. Tara takes it upon herself to leave Prom and go to Darcy's house, whereupon she gets a taste of what Darcy's home life is really like and clip for. Is she okay? And how would I know that? Do you know where she is? She had another one of her tantrums last night. Over an outfit, can you believe? I mean, your own mother can't tell you the truth about an outfit. Who can? She looked like a lesbian The sad thing is I don't even believe Darcy's mother clocks her as Darcy's girlfriend, because she's still so casually cruel and unconcerned for her child's welfare. Luckily, Darcy turns up to prom, and after Charlie calls an audible by suggesting the core gang leave and hang out at Nick's instead, the girlfriends reunite Which gives Darcy a chance to come clean to Tara about her home life and why Tara telling her she loved her early in the season was so triggering in clip five. Sometimes my mom makes me hate myself. Then you said I love you. But what if that person doesn't even exist? So You were scared to say it back because you didn't really believe that I could love you. You you've only ever seen half of my life. And now I've seen the other half. And I still love you. With this revelation met with loving acceptance, the show will push forward with a more adult theme in exploring Darcy's journey to being non-binary. And now moving on to the final couple, Charlie and Nick. I would say the bulk of the couple's arc over the first two seasons is Nick's initial discovery of his own bisexuality and his coming out journey. But this episode officially ends that storyline with Nick putting himself on blast via Instagram, using I'm by actually to a call back to the times people come out to misidentified him as gay. And also confirming his status with his rugby mates, who, like most friends of people in Nick's position, have figured it out long before we're ready to tell them, and I'm not not looking at anyone in particular on this panel. Despite Charlie's outward declaration that everything in his life is perfect, hints from early on in the show have grown into the certainty that Charlie has mental health issues manifesting in an eating disorder, and while Nick doesn't go there exactly here, he has a conversation with Tao in which he verbalizes his fears and clips. All the things that happened to him in the past, they all really have affected him. And and he still carries it all with him. Even though it's over It's still causing a lot of pain. That night gidding that's true. Yeah. Yeah, I I too. In explaining his agreement, Tao confesses that his father passed away when he was twelve, the way Nick and Tao's relationship has come so far since Tao's initial bitter jealousy and suspicion toward Nick makes it probably my favorite on the show. Nick is also stunned to hear that Charlie never even discussed the bullying with Tao, his riot or die. With this revelation combined with the earlier conversation with Tara, Nick does his best to make Charlie feel safe enough to open up about it, leaving to our seventh and final clip. Someone just heard Tao talking about me coming out. I think it surprised me how homophobic people are. I thought things were better nowadays People would just call me disgusting to my face. And it went on for so long that I think I started to believe what they were saying Made me really hate myself so much that I I used to I used to cut myself sometimes. I don't want to feel like that anymore. We knew from the beginning that Charlie had been bullied. But to hear it in his own words, is more than a younger audience should bear, and is a good illustration of the emotional rationing Osman did to bring us to this point where the younger viewers are ready to explore this far more serious theme Even a teenage audience at this point probably has a grasp on the idea that things for Charlie may get worse before they get better, but by closing on him and Nick both being on the verge saying that they love each other for the first time, we again feel that the requisite support will be there for them to pull through. To conclude, Heartstopper is hardly a perfect show. While many upsetting things are depicted, for the most part, the show opts for protecting its audience from anything too upsetting rather than squeezing every bit of narrative tension out of every storyline. Given the show's dual mission of wish fulfillment and leading by example, I think we can forgive the outside's emotional intelligence and grace exhibited by its young characters. Also, the show wants to represent every letter in the alphabet, every color on the flag. This may sometimes be to the detriment of its narrative, but I would argue that the show's vision gives it no choice but to leave no group behind, so to speak. And while there may not be enough time in every episode to advance every storyline, the show treats characters from every color of the rainbow with the same level of dignity and caring. And given how much of the world is going backward instead of forward, I'd argue that manuals on how to support people's true identities are desperately needed. showing what people can both accomplish and endure when they were supported in being who they truly are. I thought it a fitting time to give it the representation it deserves. I've done my part, but I hope you stop my heart by inducting it into the canon. Tara 40:56 Thank you, John. Kate, you chose this from our list of Submissions tell us what you thought of the episode and of John's argument. Kate 41:04 So I have been reviewing Heartstopper since it first came out, and I have been reading Alice Osman's Heartstopper on WebTune since that first launched It is a story that is really, really close to my heart for a lot of reasons, but I think one, I agree with his argument But I think that this episode is extremely important for the reasons that he mentioned is because it is a turning point in it. Online there is actually a lot of backlash to the back half of season three because a lot of fans Just wanted to see queer joy and queer happiness. And that is what Heartstopper gave them for two seasons, despite some of uh some heavy topics. But I think what Perfect points out to us and I think is important for younger audiences to understand is that you can have joy and you can showcase joy and you can showcase showcase queer joy specifically While also understanding that sometimes that joy is fought for. Sometimes that joy is in spite of circumstances. Not because that there is nothing happening. And I think that there is a beauty to that. I also have a lot of bias because I am um I'm very I I've written about it multiple times, but I had an active eating disorder for About fifteen years. You never recover from that. You just kind of deal with it differently each day. And this sh this show and I think the way that it showcases how the people around you worry is one of the best representations that I've seen in a real life standpoint. It's not trying to scare people straight. if they if you are suffering from an eating disorder and watch this, it's not Netflix's to the bone. It's it's not trying to like confront you with the ugliness consistently and scare you out of it. It's trying to show you that people love you. And I think that that's the biggest takeaway. And and this episode in particular, I think, does deserve a Canon spot. It's kind of like why I picked it, because it is doing a lot of work right now in a time that despite being more connected to everybody, people are still very isolated and and young people are relying on media to do more work. And I think that that that colors my view on on Heartstopper and I think this episode and makes me more forgiving for some of its faults. But it's also a very clear choice to start saying, okay, audience, we're transitioning into grown-up territory now. We are transitioning into what this point in these kids' life means. And I think when you when you've been a teenager and you've had some of the stuff that that the characters are dealing with or you've you've seen it in other people, you also know that that's the turning point. Like that junior year is uh that sophomore junior junior era is the turning point in a life and and I think that as a coming of age story it it really captures it. That was a lot of rambling. I agree with just to say I agree with it. Tara 44:13 Yes, thank you for for your perspective. Sarah. Sarah 44:18 So many previous guests have recommended the show periodically. that I have this on board. My great good friend and brother from another mother, John, I will probably never stop apologizing for John came out to me and I was like, uh-huh. Like and co we know sorry also I was playing pitball at the time and I didn't stop. Do it that part I am sorry for. Um the rest of it we laugh about it now. But as the man said at the time it was terrible. My main quibble with this episode is that it is that wish fulfillment and that radical inclusivity, but at At the same time, I think the point is well taken. As Kate said, like we're relying on media to do more work to make us feel supported and in community. in this way and a lot of other ways. It's why people are doing comfort rewatches of the West Wing right now. And I think that there is a place for that wish fulfillment for audiences and communities, especially younger ones, to see that representation and to feel feel seen by it. Um so and also it was really serving like Degrassi High to me, Paren's complimentary. I think that you can choose to view that somewhat subtext becoming text in dialogue support and inclusion as a negative, but I don't and I feel like every time a guest has recommended the show, this has sort of been the angle to an extent is that it's like it is uh, you know, it's affirming And if it is maybe sometimes laboring a little bit visibly to do that, I don't think you have to be a perfect episode to be in to be in the canon. I just think you have to be important and I think this episode is important to people and for people. So that is my take. And again, Juanito, sorry about that. Tara. Tara 46:24 I'll be brief because I I take all of John's points and and your points too and it's it's certainly true that There's an important place for shows like this that are just putting it all out there in as simple language as possible that like you are okay, you will be okay, you can be yourself. To John's point. Also, this is not necessarily for us. Sarah 46:47 Mm-hmm. Tara 46:48 I also thought of Degrassi watching it derogatory. I thought This was this is not I I'll just say it's not gonna get my phone and I I love John and I appreciate what the show is doing on a sort of public service. level. Like I can't argue with any of the points that anyone here is making in terms of the importance that it's serving in people's lives who might not hear some of these messages otherwise. And I totally get all of that. But, you know, that is also a little bit of a thumb on the scale. And so for me, uh you know, I just uh these characters out of context because I haven't watched the show sort of felt like they were sometimes ideas standing in for characters. Like you could imagine them all wearing a t-shirt with like what their thing is. And when I mean John didn't even talk about Isaac Sarah 47:37 Yeah. Tara 47:38 who seems to be arriving at a realization in this episode that he might be asexual because prior to that point, all we've seen of him is like his personality is reading, in which case Sarah 47:39 Uh yeah Tara 47:50 You don't go into the library and just walk out with a book when no one is there to sign it out. Respect the system. If you love books, you love libraries. Isaac, and then like walks around the sort of prom after party holding the book like he's waiting for someone to ask him about it. Like, all right. Like this the that was sort of the most egregious example I thought of the show's didacticism, but part of being didactic is that you have a lesson to teach, and I appreciate that it does. But you know, I'm glad that it's a yes times two because that's a no for me. Dave 48:23 Alright, let's put this to the official vote then. Kate, what say you in the canon-worthiness of this episode? Kate 48:30 Yeah, it's a yes for me. It's going in. Dave 48:32 Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 48:33 Yeah, it might not be for this old lady, but uh I think it is for the cannon, so yes for me. Dave 48:39 And Tara Ariano Boo Tara 48:43 The Grinch. Sarah 48:44 Monster Tara 48:45 Well, it doesn't matter, so you know, thank you, John, for bringing it to us, but Kate 48:48 Why do you hate the youth, Tara? Tara 48:49 No no no, thank you. Dave 48:50 Yeah, all right, so that means Heartstopper season two episode eight perfect you are hereby inducted into the extra hot great canon Clip 49:12 Americans love a winner Yup and will not tolerate a loser. Nope Dave 49:18 It is time to discover the winner and loser of the week. Sarah has this week's winner. Sarah 49:22 I do, and uh probably I should just convert this to a group loser of people who aren't in Only Murders in the Building season six because it's going to be shorter, but my winner is Only Murders in the Building, which has added Peter Capaldi for season six, joining a cast of literally millions. Tara 49:29 Yeah Mm-hmm. Yes, before we go on to mine, Brian Grubb had a very funny tweet about this earlier, a blue sky post that was like Check your spam folder because your invitation to join the cast of OnlyVers in the Building might have gone there by accident. Sarah 49:53 Hundred percent Tara 49:55 Loser of the week, speaking of didactic shows about queer youngsters, is Dylan Walsh, a star of heated rivalry. He plays Oh my god, it's been so long, I've read we forgotten the characters' names. Ilya and Shane, he plays Shane's father in Heated Rivalry He has had to pause his cameo account because he got in trouble for telling people who bought cameos from him secrets about future seasons of the show, which is a very 2026 problem to have. Sarah 50:19 Oh, putty. Yeah, yeah Dave 50:24 Yeah. All right. Well speaking about having problems in 2026, do you know what time it is? Tara 50:28 I think it's a good time. Sarah 50:29 Game time Dave 50:29 It is possibly game time. Alright everybody, this is the 11th game time of the season. The scores are currently Tara with four, she wins today, she wins it all. Sarah with three, value guests also with three. Today we are playing One Piece Did It from George, who earns himself a free shirt from our EHD store at throughmethods.com. George writes The Simpsons of the long-running popular animated series as is One Piece, which has been going on for a while. Tara 51:11 Doesn't it have like thousands of episodes? Dave 51:13 There is a lot. Tara 51:14 Okay. Dave 51:14 There is a lot of all the parts of one piece. Tara 51:17 Mm-hmm Dave 51:17 And it's just growing every day when you look behind you as more one pieces. Tara 51:20 Mm-hmm. Dave 51:21 I'm gonna name something in this game, sort of a topic as subject, and you must answer whether that topic subject was in The Simpsons or One Piece or both or neither. And you get that right, you get one point. After that, there will be a follow-up question somehow related, and that is also worth one point. No steel meals today. We might get into equalizer challenge zones, but we are pressed for time. So we'll see how it goes. Let's throw it to PICCI to see who's going first. Clip 51:51 We will start with Sarah. Dave 51:53 Alright, we'll go Sarah, then Kate, then Tara. Dave 51:56 Let's just start it off. Your item, Sarah D Bunting, is a talking parrot. Did a talking parrot appear in One Piece, Simpsons, both or neither? Sarah 52:04 I'm gonna say both. Dave 52:07 Somehow not in One Piece there is just talking Paris and The Simpsons. Tara 52:07 Really? What Dave 52:12 So Sara D Bunting The Talking Parrot appears on a book cover with Lisa called Disney's Pyramus and Thisbe, with a tired joke about Disney rewriting classics with a wise cracking animal. Is that true or false? For one point, true or false? Sarah 52:26 Hmm, true. Dave 52:27 Let's go. You are correct. You got one point. All right, on to Kate. Your thing is a pirate with an eye patch. A pirate with an eye patch. So, both shows, just one? Neither. Kate 52:41 Love. Dave 52:42 Both is absolutely the wrong answer. It is neither. We've got pirates up the wazoo. Tara 52:46 Wow Sarah 52:47 Oh wow. Dave 52:48 We've got pirates on the Simpsons, but we got eye patches. Nay. All right, here's your follow-up Sarah 52:52 Hmm Dave 52:53 Although Luffy doesn't wear an eye patch, he did get his scar under his eye when he stabbed himself to prove he is brave enough to join the Pirate King's crew. Is that true or false? Kate 53:05 Oh God. Dave 53:07 Num world's number one One Piece fan, Kay Sanchez. Kate 53:08 I would Oh ts I am not. I am only in the East Blue Sea arc and people who know One Piece will know how little that is. Dave 53:17 Just that's not what she said before the show. Tara 53:17 Okay Dave 53:20 All right, true or false Kate 53:20 I love anime. I thought this would be easier. He doesn't join the Pirate Kings. Well, I'm gonna say true. I'm just gonna say true. Dave 53:29 It's false. And George is being a real dick here with these uh follow questions. Kate 53:29 Yeah Yeah. Dave 53:33 No, he did it to try to join Red Hair Shanks crew, not the other crew. Clip 53:33 Good temple can go out, I want to go with temple. Kate 53:36 That's yeah, that's right. Tara 53:37 Okay. Kate 53:38 I was like Sarah 53:38 Now, George. Dave 53:39 Tara. Tara 53:39 Great. Yep. Dave 53:40 A character named Lisa. Tara 53:41 Both. Dave 53:42 Just the Simpsons. Tara 53:43 Okay Dave 53:44 Here's your follow-up. When the teachers went on strike, Lisa went stir crazy without school, so much so that she created a perpetual motion machine. Tara 53:52 True, Dave 53:52 That is true. One point. Sarah D. Bunting, a character named Maggie. Sarah 53:55 Yep. Dave 53:57 Maggie. Simpsons, One Piece, both or neither Sarah 54:00 Both Dave 54:01 Both is correct. Yes. Tara 54:02 Woo! Dave 54:03 Here's your follow up. Tara 54:03 For for one point, right? Dave 54:04 One point. Tara 54:05 Okay. Dave 54:05 In a parody of Atlas Shrugged, Maggie builds a large building that represents your creativity and gives an objectivist monologue at the end, voiced by Jody Foster. Dave 54:15 True or false? Sarah 54:20 I mean Dave 54:21 True or false, Sarah. We c we're on time crunch. True or false, Jesus Christ. Let's go. Tara 54:25 Anything could happen in these later seasons. Sarah 54:28 I don't like rushing is true. False. Dave 54:30 False is correct. Dave 54:32 It was a parody of the fountainhead. Tara 54:32 Wookay Sarah 54:34 Oh God, Jesus Dave 54:34 Alright, back to Kate. A main cast character's parent is a pirate. Kate 54:40 So I know that that is true for One Piece. Dave 54:44 Okay. So is a main character's parent in The Simpsons a pirate? Kate 54:46 I think No, no, so it's false. Dave 54:50 Alright, so just one piece Kate 54:52 Just one piece, yeah. Dave 54:53 You are correct, yes. Kate 54:54 Okay. Dave 54:55 Here's your follow-up. The former Pirate King's son Ace is Luffy's sworn brother and is named after the king's ship, the Oro Ace. Kate 55:04 Wow, if you had asked me if that was Luffy Luffy's brother, I could have answered that. Uh we're just gonna go true. I can tell you how he died, I don't know why he was named. Dave 55:13 Ace is named after his father's sword. The ship is the Oro Jackson, of course. Tara 55:16 Okay. Kate 55:18 Oh yeah Tara 55:18 Of course. Sarah 55:19 We're just guessing wildly here. Dave 55:19 Kate. Alright. We are gonna try to get to our first score break and then probably call it there for today Tara. Tara 55:26 Yep. Dave 55:27 A character named Bart Tara 55:28 Uh both. Dave 55:29 Yes! Warlord Bartholomew Kuma became a marine cyborg and lost his humanity, so the Marines would cure his adopted daughter's rare disease, which they had ronically given her. That sounds hilarious. Kate 55:41 I love anime. Tara 55:42 That's so much detail to be false, and yet I'm gonna say false. Dave 55:47 True. Kate 55:47 I love anime. Dave 55:48 Here comes everybody's last question. Sarah D bunting, cherry pie. Tara 55:50 Okay. Dave 55:52 Does cherry pie feature in both? Neither, just one. Cherry pie. Sarah 55:56 One piece only. Dave 55:57 Both. When Homer watches Twin Peaks right after the line, that is some damn good coffee you have there in Twin Peaks and damn fine cherry pie. It cuts to a surreal image of a man dancing with a horse beneath a tree with a stoplight hanging from it. True or false? You are correct. It was damn fine coffee and damn good cherry pie. Tara 56:18 Oh my God, George. Dave 56:19 Yeah, I know, right? Tara 56:20 You fucking sicko. Sarah 56:20 George, we are in a fight Dave 56:20 What a George. Last one for Kate. A main cast character's parents served in the military. Both neither. One piece only Simpsons only. Everybody's doing great in this game, by the way. Sarah 56:33 Cadence looks at your will to live. Dave 56:34 Yeah, we lost gate. Kate 56:35 I'm gonna have a full crash out after this. Um True. Dave 56:40 Oh wait, we're not on troop. We're just on which one both is correct, yes Tara 56:42 Simpson's a one piece, both or neither Kate 56:42 Oh fuze Bose Sarah 56:44 Exactly. Kate 56:46 Bowl. Tara 56:46 Woo! Kate 56:47 Okay. Sarah 56:47 Yay Dave 56:48 Alright. Tara 56:49 This is your true or false. Dave 56:50 This is your true or false. Nami's mom, Bel Mare, adopted Nami and her sister after finding them orphaned in a worn-torn village. Kate 56:58 True, true, okay Dave 56:58 True or false? True is correct, yes. Sarah 57:01 Whoa Dave 57:01 Last question, Tara. Tara 57:02 Okay Dave 57:04 A main cast character's parent is part of a underground radical group. Tara 57:09 Simpsons Yep Dave 57:10 Both. Here's your follow-up. Homer's radicalized mother, Mona Simpson, was once voiced by Meryl Streep. Tara 57:17 False. Dave 57:18 False, why false? Tara 57:19 Blend close. Dave 57:19 That is correct. Let's get scores. Tara 57:22 I mean this is exactly how we wanted it to end, I think. Kate 57:24 This was brutal Dave 57:25 Whoop. Tara 57:25 Kate and I finish tied with three points. Sarah is our victor with four! Dave 57:28 Whoa, nicely done. Sarah 57:29 What Dave 57:30 All right, I want Kate to play the This this since we have like two or three minutes left. Okay, this is was going to be sort of the equalizer part of the game. I'm going to name you a fruit. from the show slash anime and you have to tell me from multiple choice which one actually is the case. Here we go. Human human fruit is a thing in the show. If you eat human human fruit, which one of these happens, Kate? Kate 57:52 No, Dave 57:55 A grants the ability to become a doppelganger of anyone on the planet B lets you absorb the collective intelligence of everyone in the local area, or C allows an animal to gain human-like intelligence and transform into a range of human-like forms. A, B, or C, human-human fruit. Clip 58:15 Yeah. Kate 58:15 See Dave 58:16 You are correct, it is C, yes. Flower, flower fruit. Flower, flower fruit now. Allows the user to grow various flowers around them. B allows the user to grow any number of body parts from any surface. Sarah 58:31 Oh Dave 58:31 C, the person becomes a flower person. Kate 58:34 I think it's B Dave 58:35 You are correct, it is B. Yes, two more to go. Can she sweep? Revive, revive fruit. Revive revive fruit. A can bring another person back from the dead at the cost of the user's life. B allows the user to come back from the dead once and grant spirit-like powers. Or C allows the user to summon spirits from the land of the dead. Kate 58:58 Oh God, I think B Dave 59:03 B is correct! That is Reviver Vifruit. Get this and you win it all! Gum gum fruit. Gum gum fruit is your last one. A gum gum fruit is actually the human human fruit from before and is used and leads to a world of rubber. B transforms the user into a rubber man, entirely made out of rubber, or C allows the user to shoot a thick, white, gum-like substance. Kate 59:28 This is so badly worded. The gung gum fruit is what gives Luffy his powers and makes him all stretchy, but I don't like necessarily calling him Robber, but yeah, it's I think it's B. Like turns your body to where you can like Dave 59:41 Yep. Kate 59:42 Morph it, yeah. Dave 59:43 Okay, so your answer is B for the sweep? Kate 59:46 Yeah. Dave 59:47 No Kate 59:47 No Sarah 59:47 Oh, I'm going to go to the Dave 59:48 What happens is, according to my understanding, is he uses the gum gum fruit, which is the human human fruit, and therefore he gets the powers of a god of rubber, and then that's what turns him into rubber. Or something like that. Tara 01:00:00 Yeah Dave 01:00:00 There is there's a there's a go-between between him. Sarah 01:00:02 Am I having a stroke? I am seriously asking. Dave 01:00:04 You're having a stroke. Okay. Sarah D. punting won today. Sarah 01:00:08 Stroke stroke fruit woo Oh Sarah is having a stroke Jesus Clip 01:00:11 Sarah! Kate 01:00:11 Stroke, stroke, food Tara 01:00:12 Sarah Clip 01:00:12 Sarah. Dave 01:00:17 Yeah, I understood two percent of that. Kate 01:00:18 No. Dave 01:00:19 That's why Kate's here. Kate 01:00:21 I no, I I would like to lodge a protest because the gum gum furt does make you rubber. Dave 01:00:21 Well guys, what Okay. Sarah 01:00:21 Thank you, Kate. Dave 01:00:31 But I think the idea was the gum gum fruit was actually what he ate was the human fruit. It doesn't matter. Why are we doing this? Kate 01:00:36 Oh, yeah Tara 01:00:36 No. Dave 01:00:37 We're gonna look it up and if Kate's right We're gonna offer an official apology. We're not gonna do it. George is gonna do it. Tara 01:00:43 Yeah, George Sarah 01:00:44 Yeah, George Dave 01:00:45 That is it for this episode of Extra Hot Great. We discussed whether or not lanterns had that Oh, I see. I forgot my own joke. We discussed whether lanterns had that thing even if it had that ring before going around the dial with stops at the dink. Hard knocks and the challenge. No one could stop John from getting Heartstoppers Perfect into the canon. We crowned winners and losers of the week. And Sarah was the winner of this week's game time from George. All together now, George, boo. George. Joking. We love George. Sarah 01:01:18 Yeah, George Tara 01:01:18 We love George. Dave 01:01:19 Next up, it's the August 4th sitting on X-ray Extra Hot Great, Salad Heavy, just the way you like it. And come back here next week for Swedish Murder Show. Remember. Clip 01:01:32 We're listening. Dave 01:01:35 I am David T. Cole on behalf of Tara Ariano. Tara 01:01:38 We're all aliens, it just depends what planet you're standing on. Dave 01:01:41 Yeah. Sarah D Bunting? Sarah 01:01:43 I thought we banned the S word and by S I mean stroke. Dave 01:01:46 And controversial game time contestant, Kate Sanchez. Kate 01:01:51 Thank you. Dave 01:01:53 Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra Hot Crap. Clip 01:01:59 And then he said two more words. His last words. And then he kind of whispered them, so I'm never really sure whether he said good luck or off Fuck. Anyway. Kate 01:02:10 In my defense, uh this this uh this is revealed in chapter one thousand and thirty-seven Dave 01:02:20 Okay Kate 01:02:21 So for a thousand and thirty-six chapters, of which I've read 500, he is assumed to have just eaten the gum gum fruit. Dave 01:02:25 Mm-hmm. Tara 01:02:26 Wow. Dave 01:02:26 Slacker. All right. Clip 01:02:31 We all owe George an apology, but we're all still so mad about those tricky follow-up questions that we're not going to do it.