Did We Go Mad For Furious?

Clip 00:01 I don't really like listening to you. I don't like the sounds you're making. But I love your smile. Dave 00:20 This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 625 for the week of July 27th, 2026. I am Mandatory Costco snack run David T. Cole, and I'm here with Duty Agent Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 00:39 Sorry, you're stuck with me. Dave 00:40 Loose Candy Corn Tara Ariano and Miracle Knockout Serum Tim Grierson. Tara 00:42 What did you call me? Tim 00:47 Yay, time to drug Rob Delaney Dave 00:55 Welcome everybody to another episode of Extra Hot Great. Thanks for coming along with us before we get into our lead topic. A little bit of pod business. We have reached another milestone on our club campaign, which means this for the Friday show. One, everybody gets to pick a new sticker. So that'll be crowdsourced. We're taking in your suggestions right now. We'll pick five or so of our favorite ones. 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Tara 02:06 Daniel Dave 02:06 That way lies madness So look for that on Friday's show and then uh join us and be a contestant. extrahotgreat. com slash club is the place to Learn more and to sign up, you can join on Patreon or you can join directly on Apple. Audio only perks on Apple. Tara 02:25 Thank you, Dave, and thank you, listeners, who got us here. And thank you to everyone who's gonna hear this and decide now is finally the time for me to join. Sarah 02:29 Mm-hmm. Tara 02:33 We welcome you and we love you. For now, he is the senior US critic for Screen International. His writing appears frequently in the Los Angeles Times and Rolling Stone. He is the co-host of the film podcast Grierson and Leach, and his most recent book is This Is How You Make a Movie. It's Tim Grierson. Dave 02:51 Damn, welcome back. Tara 02:51 Welcome, Tim. Sarah 02:52 Dam Dave 02:53 When you look at your book title, do you do it like the song This Is How We Made Them? Cause I just did. Tim 03:01 You I I should have called you, Dave, for promotion of the book. Dave 03:04 Yeah. Tim 03:05 I like I need a jingle and Dave you could have given me one Dave 03:07 All I want to do is stand behind you and whenever the book comes up, I want to be the hype man just for the title of the book. Sarah 03:08 Mm-hmm. Tim 03:12 I I I I could have you I could have used a hype man. Dave 03:12 That's Tara 03:13 Movie Tim 03:16 I I appreciate that. Dave 03:17 Next time Tim 03:18 Thank you all for having me back on. I always love being here Tara 03:20 Thank you for being here. We are talking about Furious moments into the premiere episode cold open a young woman, the closed captions called Catherine, even though that's almost certainly not her real name. Character is played by Lola Petticrew. Catherine uses fentanyl to kill a man and his handsome Brooklyn brownstone. Before long, Alice Black, Emmy Rossum, is called to the crime scene by Detective Danny Kelly. Scoot McNairy. The two used to work together before Alice left the NYPD to start over from the bottom as an FBI agent. Nearly everyone above them is eager to rule the guy's death an accidental suicide because his father is a renowned billionaire philanthropist, but Alice and Danny think there's more to the case. As Alice enlists the interest of Nora Washington, Quincy Tyler Bernstine, the sex crimes unit head Alice eventually wants to work for. The outlines of the case start to become more clear. The show was inspired by the 1987 film Black Widow, not the Scarlett Johansson one, written by Ron Bass. For that reason, he is an EP on this show, which was created by Elizabeth Merriweather of New Girl and the Dropout Fame. Three episodes dropped on Hulu July 27th. We got access to the whole eight-episode season, but we will be careful about spoilers. Let's do the Chen check-in. Tim, should our listeners watch Furious? Tim 04:42 I'm very much on the fence. I think people need to go in with lowered expectations. Tara 04:48 Sarah Dave Sarah 04:49 Yes, I think they should. Dave 04:51 I was also on the fence on this one, mostly because of the ever-present should have this been a movie question, because it seemed like it was getting drawn out for me. What I've seen was competently done and I found things to enjoy about it, but I'm also like, eight hours of this? Really? Tara 05:08 Yeah. Dave 05:09 Tar. Tara 05:09 I did end up watching all of it. I thought it started stronger than it ended. And yes, the ever-present movie question is ever-present here as well. So let's get into it. Dave 05:20 I feel like that should be part of the new ecosystem of television reviews, you know, next to your star rating or however you want to do it. Tara 05:23 Mm, mm, yeah, yes Dave 05:27 Movie to TV spectrum. Where should have this been? Yeah. Sarah 05:31 Mm-hmm. Dave 05:31 Comes up a lot. Tara 05:32 I mean, but the problem is that I'm not telling Tim anything, he doesn't know. Sarah 05:33 Yeah. Tara 05:35 No one makes movies at this middle brow level anymore. And when you do get one that's like Conclave, for example, very different subject matter, but same brow level, in my opinion. It's like everyone goes nuts forgetting that there used to be like six movies of this caliber opening in a weekend. Dave 05:52 All right, so we'll do a matrix with axes and we've got brow levels where we Tara 05:52 But Sarah 05:53 Mm-hmm. Dave 05:57 put pictures of brows, whether high or low, and and then the other one we've got TV to movie. Tara 05:58 Yes, sure. Mm-hmm. Dave 06:02 Great, perfect. Tara 06:03 Great. Dave 06:03 All we need is ten times more space for our TV reviews and we're all set. Tara 06:09 And every publication is dying to give more space to critics here in the year 2026. Let's actually get into it. I hadn't seen the movie before. I watched it this weekend. The story there is the titular Black Widow, Catherine, or whatever her real name is, played by Teresa Russell. Targets much older rich guys, marries them, then fatally poisons them to inherit all their money, and Debra Winger plays Alex, who works for the Justice Department, becomes convinced there's a connection between seemingly unrelated deaths and surprise she's right So about halfway through the movie, she has this conversation with her boss, who's played by a still dark-haired Terry O'Quinn. Let's hear that clip, Dave. Clip 06:46 Well, you figure you know her, huh? Why she does it. Tell me. When I was a kid my father did I told you the story though, didn't I? But my dad had quite a temper. He used to take off after me with this spatula, you know, stainless steel pancake turner. Man, that thing stung like Hell. One of these times, I don't even remember what I did. He chased me down the hall and he got me into my bedroom and he was beating the crap out of me. Man. And uh he stood up, keeled over and died. I figured this woman, Margaret, or whatever her name is, has some deep resentment against older men and Are you buying this? I can't believe you really went for it. God damn it. Don't you know? No one knows why anyone does anything Tara 07:40 So normally we go to our guests first, but just this once I have to go to Sarah because you say that all the time when you're talking about true crimes. So the Furi Furious did not take that tack of nobody knows why anyone does anything. Sarah 07:48 Yeah, Tara 07:52 We find out quite a lot about why everyone does absolutely everything, but did that bother you for this reason in terms of how you approach true crime, which this is not. Sarah 08:01 Not not especially. First of all, sidebar the you must remember this season on erotic 80s, I think, includes a meditation on Black Widow and the Teresa Russell Œuvre, and is possibly more worthwhile than the movie. I don't know if You would feel the same, I know you've listened to that. I think when it comes to men who are serial killers, it is like Basically my thing is like it's pointless to speculate about why serial killers do what they do because they enjoy torturing killing people. Like we you can't we civilians can't access that style of motivation. Female serial killers have a different axis along which they operate and they are fairly rare. I think they did a good job in this case. First of all, there is a line of dialogue or an exchange where they talk about exactly that and the difference between gendered serial killing. I mean it didn't especially bother me because this is part of the bringing order out of chaos of serial killers Dories or scripted material is that basically nobody knows anything. Goldman style and This is just an attempt to sort of try to impose some order on a chaotic evil. But at the same time, I think this chaotic evil in Furious was extremely well cast. Lola Petticrew can get a lot Done with just a like cheek twitch and uh that worked for them and say nothing and it worked for for them here, I thought Tara 09:38 Timmy, you are the expert. Was this a story that should have stayed movie sized? Or were you entertained, drawn in by it sounds like you were on the fence about about the adaptation, but sh would it have been better? Tim 09:50 Yeah Tara 09:51 if it were a sub two hour movie versus this eight-hour TV show. Tim 09:55 So I hadn't seen the movie. I watched it also uh this weekend and I watched the whole eight episodes of Furious just because I wanted to see how it was gonna end. Tara 10:04 Mm-hmm. Tim 10:04 I I'm a big believer in the take a movie that has an interesting premise, but maybe not the best execution and remake that. because people will not be clamoring saying, how dare anybody make a remake of Black Widow? Sarah 10:12 Mm-hmm. Tara 10:17 Right. Tim 10:17 Black Widow has its fans, but it I don't think it's super well remembered. It came out in 87. Tara 10:23 Mm-hmm. Tim 10:23 It was a decent box office hit and to the point that you made Tara. It's the kind of like mid-budget thriller you know, erotic thriller that they just don't make as movies anymore. Tara 10:35 Mm-hmm. Tim 10:35 They make them as Hulu limited series. I mean that's where they live now. That's where they reside. While watching Furious, my trajectory with the show was first two episodes, interested, curious, feels both kind of trashy and smart at the same time. And then as the show goes along I think it gets smarter and smarter and more interesting. And I won't say a thing, but I will say I think the last two episodes really, really kind of sync the show in a lot of ways and really hurt my overall impression. I like a lot of the performances. I think it's incredibly well cast, kind of from top to bottom. Even like the the smaller roles I think are really well cast. I I really liked Emmy Rossum. uh a ton in it. Tara 11:18 Yeah Tim 11:20 Of the two leads, I mean it's funny, like if you see if you've seen Black Widow, you haven't really seen Furious. There's not a lot. in common other than there's one woman killing people, there's another woman trying to track down that person. That is essentially the only kind of crossover in terms of the movie and the show. But what I think is interesting is I think that on the show. I think Emmy Rossum's character is better developed, better defined. I'm not the biggest SVU fan, but I like how they develop that character and sort of explain the motivations of that character in a way they feel very plausible. With the Catherine character, whatever her real name is, I like that actress a l a lot. I liked them in a movie called uh Wednesday, or I'm sorry, Thursday. Tara 12:08 Tuesday. Tim 12:08 That they were in sorry, it was Tuesday. Tara 12:10 I saw it too. Tim 12:10 It was one of those days of the week. Yeah, it was Tuesday and it was with uh Julia Louie Dreyfus. They played Julia Louis Dreyfus's uh daughter who is dying in that movie and was really quite good in that. And I like them a lot in Furious. My issue is that the character is kind of like the Joker in the Dark Knight where they're just good at everything. Like they're super awesome at doing awesome kidnappings and because it's slickly made enough, that didn't bother me, but it is one of those things where it's like, boy, this person is really good at all of the crime stuff Tara 12:44 Yeah. Tim 12:45 But there are other things that the character is not good at and it didn't exactly square with the character that we've been introduced. Two, so that was sort of a bigger issue. I I've always liked Scoot McNairy and I've always kind of wanted him to have a bigger career, and I really like him in this and that character's relationship with the Alice character. I I just think the show gets less smart, which is another way of saying I think there are dumb things that happen as the show goes along. I won't say the specific character because I want to be very careful of spoilers, but I think one character is introduced as being very smart and then does dumb things because the show needs that character to do dumb things. Tara 13:26 Mm-hmm. Tim 13:26 and to throw you the the the question in the beginning was should this be a movie? I didn't mind it being longer. What I d what I have an issue with with limited series like this is that there is a constant inherent challenge of we gotta have stuff happening. We gotta keep throwing obstacles at the characters. Sarah 13:44 Hm, yeah Tim 13:45 And in the second half of this of this limited series, I think those obstacles become much more, uh, uh, uh, and then this happens. I don't think the movie is great, but I think the one thing that if this had been a movie it would have helped, there have been fewer things, fewer obstacles that the characters would have had to deal with. Tara 13:54 Mm-hmm. Tim 14:03 because it would have had less runtime. I mean this is essentially eight-ish hours, something like that. The original movie is about an hour and forty-five minutes. Some of the development of the characters is interesting. One of the problems with with the movie Black Widow is because it's pre-internet era, Teresa Russell gets to ke kill people and disappear really, really easily. Tara 14:24 A better time Sarah 14:25 Mm. Tim 14:25 It was it was a more innocent time, Tara. Sarah 14:25 Yeah. Tim 14:28 We all were able to kill people and change our and and if you just looked away from the camera when people took pictures, they could never spot you. Sarah 14:30 Mm-hmm. Tim 14:35 That's the way it was in the eighties. Tara 14:36 That's right. Tim 14:37 That's why we all that's why we all killed so many people back then. Dave 14:40 Killing people and choosing Pepsi. That's what we were doing in the eighties. Tim 14:42 Yeah, I I know. Um, everybody was talking about Alex P. Keaton all the time. It was awesome. Sarah 14:48 Yeah, Tim 14:48 I think so I think that the show runs out of gas in its second half in terms of uh uh in terms of its plot stuff, and then my final thing, I won't reveal anything about this. I simply don't buy the ending. Tara 14:58 Yeah. Tim 14:59 I simply just do not buy it. I don't think it's provocative, interesting. In some ways, I actually prefer the ending to the original movie. Sarah 15:07 Yeah, I feel like another rule of thumb in our whatever matrix. I don't know how we incorporate this, but it's like any series, including true crime docuseries generally, that it's like It's four parts at forty seven minutes each. Like there's that rule of decluttering that's like you have twenty percent too much of whatever item or group you're tr like confronting during your spring cleaning, you have 20% too much of it. And I think that's true of series run times in the limited series era. Like just just cut two off But that's not that's not how they do it. Dave 15:43 I think Tim's right on the problem with a lot of these sort of crime shows, including Nordic Noir shows, which is they just sort of get in into like this loop of what's the next obstacle for the cops and it has to be a little crazier than the last one. Tara 15:58 Mm-hmm. Dave 15:59 And if you do too many of those, you start, you know, you start seeing the matrix, you know, to just even in the Tara 16:04 Yeah. Dave 16:06 front half of the show you can kind of see that coming. So again for me, why I brought up the question of movie or TV right away is because I can sort of start to see those shapes from the first go. Tara 16:17 Mm-hmm. Sarah 16:17 Was anyone else put in mind of killing Eve and how like a a good concept that read as very smart and something that was, if not completely fresh, then at least was innovating on on something that we had seen before with known quantity actors that we had seen before and were enjoying. But then it lost tone to the I mean that was like a longer that had seasons and whatnot, but sort of halfway through I was like, uh diminishing returns. Tara 16:46 Mm-hmm. Sarah 16:47 Was anyone else put in mind of that show or just me? Tara 16:50 I hadn't thought of that, but I now that you said it, you're right. Dave 16:52 Yeah, I can see it. Tara 16:53 I think. And I can see them trying to extend this show to past the finale, now that I've seen it, that, you know Sarah 16:57 Mm-hmm. Yeah. What is season t two called? Enraged Tim 17:05 Furious Tara 17:05 Still furious after all these years. Sarah 17:06 Mm-hmm. And then the prequel is like annoyed? I don't know. Angry, but still in control. Tim 17:12 Pre f pre furious. Tara 17:14 Yes. Tim 17:16 One of the things I wanted to ask the three of you, I was curious when I watched it. I hadn't thought about the Killing Eve connection. But when I've been reading the reviews so far for Furious, I had noticed that a lot of them say this is a maybe smarter or more nuanced or more sensitive look at this type of material than you get on, say, SVU and those types of shows. Tara 17:36 Mm-hmm. Tim 17:36 I don't watch them nearly as much as more of a novice. To me, as somebody who loves the, you know, the flagship law and order show, but was less kind of loved. SVU a lot less. It feels like sort of a glorified SVU episode where they get to swear and the sexual content is maybe a little more intense and a little more provocative than maybe you could do on SVU. But I found myself reading the reviews and saying I didn't feel like this necessarily is a corrective to any of those types of things or does anything in a more interesting way. But again, that's a novice speaking. Dave 18:11 Yeah. Tim 18:11 I was really curious how you felt about that as aspect of the show. Dave 18:14 Well, obviously Sarah is our Law and Order expert here, so I w I mean I would just add on to that, has Law and Order done? I'm sure they have their Epstein file adjacent storylines and do those compare here. Tim 18:26 Yeah, yeah, good question. Sarah 18:27 Like multiple and yeah, Weinstein, yeah. Dave 18:28 Yeah. Sarah 18:30 That's a procedural So it just depends on whether you think furious is a procedural or whether it's a like noir-ish. I mean, I got like prime suspect vibes. Tara 18:43 Mm-hmm. Sarah 18:43 a little bit, just in terms of like everyone here is compromised and this is a good investigator, but she has she brings her own neuroses and and um trauma to this. But when it comes to true crime and like unscripted crime stories, you have sort of two versions and they're not trying to do the same thing. The first version is a who done it. And then the second version is a why society is like this it or like how we how we got here it So they're not trying to do the same thing, but it's helpful sometimes to look at procedural sort like, you know, dead girl dramas or however you want to deem them, like mayor of Easttown, Task. prestige murder shows like this, that it's like, all right, are is this about the mystery or is it about the solvers? Tim 19:34 Yeah, Sarah 19:34 So from a procedural standpoint, I I wouldn't say this is especially remarkable. I thought it was processy enough or like believable. Like Yes, maybe more blue gels than in real life, but it just depends on what you need the show to do and then what it's trying to do. And if those things don't line up in terms of who done it versus why done it, then There will be a satisfaction gap, I would say. Tara 19:59 Yeah. I I mean I don't still watch SVU or Law and Order, but I've watched them a lot. And the what uh what struck me is what was different here is that the corruption of police departments is like baked in versus either of those shows where like maybe once a season you'll get a sh an episode where they're like, and this cop was bad and then we caught him and now everyone else is great. Dave 20:18 Is that it? Sarah 20:20 Yeah, which they just did on SVU last year, and it was like, Oh, so I see what you're trying to do, and then and then it's like, Well, now that we all know Tara 20:23 Mm-hmm. Right. Sarah 20:30 But Benson aft like she is a captain. She's been a captain for like three years now. And that she's just like all t like tearing up and shocked. And it's like, r really? You've you've been NYPD half your life. Tara 20:44 Right, but that's the point. Like they're still doing copaganda, and when they do a story about one bad Apple, that's still copaganda because the under the implication is Sarah 20:48 Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. Tara 20:54 this is an outlier versus all our great cops that you watch every week and love. And this was very different because, especially with the Alice storyline, the reason that she Sarah 20:59 Mm-hmm. Tara 21:04 went to the FBI and this was in the first three episodes, so it's not a spoiler anymore. But she had been dating another a fellow detective. He was physically abusive. She just told another friend of hers and didn't even formally report it. And this fellow cop who's played by Jake Lacey, I thought quite well. Um Sarah 21:25 Mm-hmm. Tara 21:26 is still pressuring her to like, you know, recant even the unofficial story because it's hurting his career and blah blah blah. And there's a moment where you think the show is gonna be like, oh, he d he did change and then He d he didn't change and he's still one of the shitbag Jake Lacey characters, not one of the nice good guy Jake Lacy characters, because there's no in-between. Sarah 21:46 Mm-hmm. Tim 21:48 Yeah. Sarah 21:48 Yeah, I did appreciate that right up top. It's like Her aspirational section is the SVU of the FBI, and then her putative section chief is like, we work in the basement. Tara 21:56 Right. Mm-hmm. Sarah 22:01 This lady was talking about how I'm reviewing CSAM and then she offered you a cheese ball, and then the SFX on that crunch was really sick and perfect. And this woman is like drunk at work in a victim's hospital room. And that's when this character says, like, you'll never catch anyone who matters. So the fact that they run that up the flagpole in episode one, I think, is of note. Tara 22:28 Yeah. Nora is a great character for a while. I'll just say that Tim 22:34 You s Sarah hadn't mentioned uh killing Eve earlier. One of the the things that I thought about a lot while watching the show was as she silenced the lambs. The idea specifically the idea, and it's not so much the Jodie Foster versus Anthony Hopkins element, but more of the Judy Foster almost at war at the FBI. Sarah 22:43 Mm-hmm. Tim 22:54 Like Joe Jonathan Demi did such a great job of always making her all the other actors taller than her. So she n was not only just the only woman, but she was shorter than everybody else around her. Tara 22:59 Yeah Tim 23:03 And you've sensed that the feeling of discomfort everywhere she was. And I think that's actually nicely done throughout the the show in terms of your points about police corruption being baked in, that there's really a sense that she's far from perfect, but you definitely get the sense that she's almost on her own in terms of the way people treat her, because what Tara alluded to about her backstory and her ex-boyfriend and how people around the New York Police Department feel about her now, that's really uh well done. Tara 23:22 Yeah. Tim 23:33 And Jake Lacey, I think, is really this is not obvious child Jake Lacey. Tara 23:38 No Tim 23:38 This is jerk, uh you know, Jake Lacey. Sarah 23:40 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Tim 23:41 But the thing I I love is that even within the fact that his character is a jerk, there's just a sliver in there where you keep thinking, oh, oh maybe. Tara 23:53 Mm-hmm Tim 23:53 And I think Jake Lacy does such a great job. Sarah 23:54 Yeah. Tim 23:56 Because I think one of the things you have to be careful on a show like this is not making p the people in the audience think, gee, you know, Alice is really stupid for even being around this guy. Tara 24:07 Yes, yes. Sarah 24:08 Hmm, yeah. Tim 24:08 Afterwards. You don't want the audience to say she's dumb or she's weak or anything like that. Tara 24:09 Um Tim 24:14 It has to be much more complicated than that And Rossum makes that work, but Jake Lacey also makes that work because there's just enough there where you think, I can see why she stayed with someone since like high school. even though he became an alcoholic and a jerk and abusive, you can see the slivers enough. And I think that's one of the strongest things in the show. when they talk about abusive relationships and, you know, and sexual assault and like that, how it is hard sometimes for people to extricate themselves from those relationships. Tara 24:44 Yeah. Tim 24:45 And that pairing and those performances sell that in a way that the show absolutely needs for it to work. Tara 24:50 Yeah, I agree. Dave 24:52 All right, before we go, I know we were this has been a highbrow conversation, but I need to know Tar because I forgot to ask you. You were watching Black Widow 1987, and I was like, the only thing I remember from Black Widow is there's a W lady in the pool, I don't know if it's Debra Winger, but fifteen year old me self can only remember giant, giant nipples. Tara 25:06 It's Teresa Russell. Dave 25:10 Was I correct? Tara 25:12 You definitely see her nipples. She's in a pool. Dave 25:14 Uh-huh. Tara 25:15 They are above the waterline. Dave 25:16 Yeah. Tara 25:16 I would not say they're giant, I would say they are cold. Dave 25:17 Hmm. Alright, well I was much smaller back then, so that makes sense. Clip 25:28 Got a lot of shows. It's a great time for shows. Dave 25:32 It's time to go around the dial first off, Tara. What do you got? Tara 25:35 From the aspiring sublime to the completely ridiculous, Married at First Sight, season 20. It's back on Peacock because the new platforms This slightly tweaked format gets everyone through the matchmaking marriage process much faster than when it was on Lifetime. All the couples were married by the end of the third episode, and when I say all, I mean Seven couples, 14 names I am expected to remember. Like I don't have my own life to lead. Dave 26:01 Do you think they should rename the people so that each couple has an alliterative pairing so it's easier to track? Tara 26:06 I would love that. Yes, they should. Dave 26:08 Okay, great. Tara 26:10 Uh after the first six episodes of the season. Here are my early impressions of each of the couples. So this got them through the weddings, honeymoons, and then moving back to Seattle, which is where the season takes place and moving into their like furnished apartments that they're in for the length of the experiment. Okay. Adam and Marissa. He is a workout freak. He wants to retire at 40, which means he's also cheap. His gift to Marissa before the wedding is a bunch of pickleball equipment she has no interest in. When people talk at the wedding about how much she loves drinking and taking naps, he seems turned off. She then seems turned off by him holding the whole wedding reception hostage while he plays like sixth grade recital pieces on the piano. Pieces plural. Sarah 26:52 Oh god. Tara 26:53 When they go on their honeymoon, he wears socks in the pool on multiple occasions because he's scared of slipping on the bottom of the pool or pool deck. Despite their many differences, they seem to Yes, Dave. Dave 27:02 Wait, Scared is slipping on the bottom of the pool while in the water Tara 27:07 Yes. Dave 27:07 How's that even possible? Tara 27:08 I don't know, but apparently Dave 27:09 He found a way Tara 27:10 He's well he's like, you know, what if we're like playing tossing the football? I don't want to slip. Like d so something happened where you slipped while playing football in the pool and ate shit, got it. Dave 27:20 I mean I don't want to derail you right away, but maybe somebody could just tell this guy about aqua shoes. Tara 27:22 Don't ya? Dave 27:25 At least like you're not jumping in with socks. Tara 27:26 Uh no one wears those in pools either. He's a freak. Dave 27:30 Okay, but all right, fine. Tara 27:31 He wears them when he's going down a water slide. He is a very weird man. Dave 27:35 Neat Tara 27:35 Anyway, despite their many differences, they seem to like each other, or they just both really want to be buried. Who knows? Mecca and Belle Jolie. She spells her name with an act Cute accent over the second E in Belle, but does not pronounce it. I blame that on her mother, who changed her name to Violent Force. That is according to past and future guest Stephanie Green, who found that on Reddit. So, you know, Belle Julie's name's not her fault. What is Mecca's fault is he had to Tooth gems. They don't have any early issues other than I think they're both on the show to promote themselves because she's a singer-songwriter and he's a part-time model. Part-time porta potty cleaner, not joking. Moving on, Philippe. Dave 28:12 Wait, hang on. Before we move on, I just want everybody to think about what their equivalent of violent force would be if they had to choose a name like that. Tara 28:14 Yeah. Mm nice. Dave 28:19 Mine's big explosion. Think about it, Sarah. Think about him. Tara 28:22 Okay Felipe Antori, he gave himself a f a glow up a few years ago, now seems to think he is super hot, which is not my experience of looking at him. However, he has a lot of confidence. Such that as the Brazilian American owner of an Italian restaurant, he is constantly picking up women at work. This is probably gonna be a problem, even though he did tell Tori on their honeymoon that he cheated once It is almost certainly more than once. At the end of the sixth episode, they have sex for the first time. Then we see her leave the bedroom alone and sleep on the couch, so Seems like she instantly has regrets about that, and I don't blame her. Nick and Courtney. This is the fifth or sixth reality show that Nick has been on. He was previously a contestant on the circle, which he parlayed into a stint on perfect match. He was also a pit crew guy on Drag Race Which when one of his friends tells Courtney at the wedding, she's like, Oh cool, my family's really into cars, and then has to find out for the first time what RuPaul's Drag Race is in twenty twenty six. Courtney is a competitive bodybuilder from a family full of them. She also describes herself as conservative, but w in the matchmaking process when one of the new experts the man, I don't remember his name, I will not look it up, asks what she thinks about what happened on January 6th. And she's like, remind me what that one was. And he's like, got it. Courtney thinks Nick is boring, unfortunately she is right. That is tough to overcome, guys we're almost done. Uh we're over the hump, actually. Cameron and Michelle He is a crazily tall former pro basketball player in Europe. He has never been in a long-term relationship before. He's in his late 30s or possibly 40s, so not great. Dave 29:56 Does he have a cat named Ferguson? Tara 29:58 He does not. Dave 29:58 Yeah. Tara 29:59 Michelle talks like this. Let's hear the clip. Clip 30:01 Well, I'm sad to leave this room. I know. It's just wild to think that we only met a few days ago and it feels like we're a team in so many ways. And I feel really comfortable with you, like it's easy to be vulnerable. Tara 30:22 So another Liz from Crow Show, like all the boobs on million dollar nannies. There was another clip where she was you could hear her vocal fry more, but it's when she was uh talking about having had fibroids and how that impacted her fertility so it felt like it was in poor taste to clip it, but you know. Other than him towering over her in a way that is uncomfortable to see on screen, they might both be boring enough to work out. Sean and Nikki at 48 and 46, they are this season's senior citizen couple. At the wedding, she comes to the altar and sees him and is like, Do I wait here from my husband? So that's awkward. She does not get more attracted to him from the there. They are doomed. He also doomed his career as a would-be college president. If anyone in a position to hire him finds out the show exists. Sarah 31:11 Would be college president t shirt. Tara 31:13 He's a VP of admissions now. They did not say where. Oh my god. And and he makes so many jokes. Makes a 69 joke the day of the wedding. Like, guy. Anyway, Devin and Caitlin. Sarah 31:26 Nice Tara 31:26 He is a professional rugby player, which I guess can be a full-time job in Seattle. News to me. He looks like if Tim Key was in a sketch about an extreme athlete. He has bleached hair and a shape-sized mullet And he kept his sunglasses on the top of his head throughout the wedding ceremony. Dave 31:41 Cool. That guy Bobby make a really good ski instructor back in 1986. Tara 31:46 Uh-huh, they were not Oakley's, but they were Oakley adjacent. Despite all that, he seems like a dumb sweetie, and his biggest problem is he's super clingy and Caitlin is turned off by it. On the honeymoon there's one morning where she sets an alarm, gets up at 8 30, sees him like open his eyes, look at her, and put his head back down and go back to sleep. So she leaves for the gym without him, and he is upset about it for Four days he's like, I thought we made plans to go to the gym. He tells all the other newlyweds about what he terms the gym incident. So unless he is able to back off and let her miss him a little They are also doomed, but let's be real, they're probably all doomed, like every single one of the couples from season 19. None of them worked out, and probably none of these will either. And that is your Married at First Sight season 20 update. Dave 32:34 Wow. Sarah 32:36 Thank you, Tara. Tara 32:38 Um for my plug aga yes. Dave 32:39 Wait, hang on. We have to find out our uh violent names. Tara 32:42 Oh yes, your violent force. Dave 32:44 Yeah. Violent forests and Sarah. Sarah 32:46 White colour crime Dave 32:48 Okay, Tim. Tim 32:49 Uh, slippery pool feet Tara 32:51 Thank you, excellent. For my plug, uh the Again With This Club, we are about to talk about the July episodes of 90210MG, Jenny, and not Tories podcast. Sarah 33:00 Yes Tara 33:07 Cause she quit. She got out. While the getting was not good. It's season eight. It's the getting is bad. But whatever. Sarah 33:15 That is not what I thought was gonna happen. Tara 33:15 We're gonna be talking about that soon. No! Sarah 33:18 Plot twist, baby. Tara 33:19 Of the two to quit, did not think it would be her. So anyway, we'll have plenty to say about that. Again with thispodcast. com slash club. Just five dollars to join, or four if you make it annual. Dave 33:33 Alright, Slippery Pool Feet, what do you got for us? Tim 33:37 Uh so it's mm like the middle of a baseball season, which is my happy time of year because I love baseball so much. But this is usually the time of the season where because the weather is getting warmer and warmer, a lot of teams are starting to fade and sort of proving that they're not gonna make it to the playoffs because they're just not good enough. My Cardinals look like they may be one of those teams, unfortunately. And so I've been trying to find baseball related things to make me feel better and to forget about my Cardinals. I'm also a big fan of the Lonely Island and Seth Myers podcast, which is funny because I am not necessarily somebody who loves Hey, let's listen to famous people uh talk about their stuff. But I really kind of from the beginning have loved this podcast. And one of the reasons why I love it so much for people who don't know Essentially, though this has evolved over time, essentially each episode is devoted to them going through one of the digital shorts they did as The Lonely Island on Saturday Night Live. And the thing I've come to really love about the show, beyond just their rapport, is actually hearing them kind of get into the weeds in terms of why certain uh shorts worked, especially why certain shorts didn't work. It's really kind of a fascinating thing from like a filmmaking standpoint as they kind of go into These very like kind of small comedic things and like what they would do differently. And weirdly enough, a lot of those shorts hold up They have not gone yet to talking about something that they did kind of on a lark in 2019, which was called the unauthorized Bash Brothers. experience. It was, and I'd forgotten this until I did the research for us to talk about it today. It was a surprise release. It was just dropped on Netflix one day in May of 2019. For people who don't remember uh the unauthorized Bash Brothers experience, it is a visual poem that's about a half an hour long that essentially dramatizes the era in the late 1980s when the Oakland A's were the biggest baseball team in Major League Baseball. They were led by two home run hitting machines named Jose Canseco. and Mark McGuire, who are played by Andy Samberg, and Akiva Schaffer from The Lonely Island. They, those two guys who hit so many home runs, later were found out that they took a bunch of steroids, which is why they did so well. The unauthorized Bash Brothers experiences about them at the height of their celebrity and also their downfall when people find out that they started using uh steroids. People don't remember visual albums anymore, but they were a huge thing in the late 2010s where artists wouldn't just release albums. They would r release like a album length video, like a mini movie There were always these like glossy, high production value, totally pretentious things that were like a visual accompaniment. To their album, the people most remember is Beyoncé's Lemonade, that was dropped the same time that the album came out And people like studied the album for all of these, or rather the visual album, for all these clues into the record and what Beyonce was trying to say. That thing is very much a thing of the past. And so people go back and watch the unauthorized Bash Brothers experience, they may not remember what they're actually making fun of. But that actually is what they're doing. And you can tell because there are so many Terrence Malick ripoff shots in the unauthorized Bash Brothers experience because anybody who made a visual album back then basically told their director, I want lots of shots of nature, especially if the camera is low and you're tracking across the wilderness, because I want a lot of trees. Because that's what makes something really kind of artsy and cool. There's a ton of those shots in the unauthorized Bash Brothers experience. But what's also very fun is that this is a couple years after Popstar, like three years after Popstar. And this was like the second time that The Lonely Island did something that was not just musical, but also had a narrative as a part of the music. You can see similarities between the two projects. But a lot of these songs are like two-minute long things. Some of it references stuff from the 1980s. There's like callbacks to Janet Jackson. There is a keyboard riff that is exactly like the outro to George Michael's father figure, which I absolutely adore. It is so nicely done. But there's also a lot of because they're from the Bay Area. They do a lot of like Bay Area rap and hyphy and stuff like that. So like they know that world. And so if you know baseball, it's really funny. If you know the 80s music scene, but also the hip-hop scene of the uh East Bay, you will also really enjoy it. It's also like a kind of a weird thing because they basically made it for no money. They kind of did on their own and Netflix was like, Yeah, sure, we'll put that out. That sounds fun. And it feels like this weird, like what the Hell thing that they did that's not talked about as much as their movies and their digital shorts. And because I don't want to watch actual baseball right now 'cause it just causes me pain, I enjoy laughing for a half an hour at these guys and oh by the way, In one of the songs, Sia does a guest, like does the chorus, but they didn't uh have Sia in the film. So they had their buddy Sterling K. Brown do the Sia part. And it's really, really fun. Sarah 38:51 I forgot about that. I think I watched that on your couch, Tara, Dave. Tara 38:55 Yes, I I believe I made you watch it the last time you were in Austin. Sarah 38:59 Yes. Tara 39:00 So yeah. Sarah 39:01 Mm-hmm Tara 39:02 I don't know anything about old school hip hop or baseball, and I still loved it. Dave 39:06 Yep, good thing. Tara 39:07 Anything to plug, Tim? Tim 39:09 So uh speaking of television, I re-watched Wonder Man recently and really, really enjoyed the show. And one of the reasons I like the show so much is how much I like Yahya Abdul-Mateen II.coming out pretty soon, like in early August, I have an interview with him for the Los Angeles Times where I talk a little bit about kind of his career trajectory, why this show is kind of him going back to the beginning of his acting career. I mean it's remarkable to think He's really only been professionally acting for about 10 years. He graduated from Yale drama when he was 29. He turned 40 in mid-July. And all the work that he's done, whether it's Top Dog, Underdog, or Watchman, or Aquaman or Wonder Man, it's like all within like the last nine, ten years. And so I really enjoyed talking to him. My piece will be up over at the LA Times, I would say sometime first week of August. Dave 40:13 Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 40:14 That's WCC to you. Dave 40:17 Sorry. Sarah 40:17 Yeah, Wonder Man was really kind of an underrated show that I feel like in the last few months people have been going back and finishing it and being like, oh yeah, that ruled. I agree. I'm not here to talk about that though. I'm here to talk about the Westies. That is the new gangster crime drama on MGM+, a real streamer that exists. It was created by Michael Panis and Chris Broncado, vets of Godfather of Harlem, Narcos, and Hannibal, variously, and it stars J. K. Simmons as Eamon Sweeney, an Irish gangster trying to get a piece of Javet centered Grift and Graft in early 80s New York City. Titus Push Wellifer as a cop on the take who was reluctantly drafted as a double agent on the FBI's Gambino Task Force thanks to his shitty kid. I'm somewhat paraphrasing, Grant Chester's Tom Brittany as Westy Lieutenant Jimmy Rourke, and various other Brit box and or sopranos grads, including Michael Rispoli as a Gambino underboss. Most of the reviews up to this point have called the show familiar and predictable, which it kinda is, but impressively acted, which I Guess it also is. The world-building beats of the premiere were sufficiently routine that I wouldn't say either Simmons or Welver was pushed out of his comfort zone particularly. Certainly the performances are, so far, not quite riveting enough to distract from the obvious Torontoniness of The location shots and certain aspects of the production design are inattentive to the differences between 1978 and 1981. in costume and cars and Tom Brittany's wig is both bad and unnecessary, as are various dialogue winks to the audience so that We know the show knows what happens to Paul Castellano in the end and at whose hand, like, yes, we get it. But at the same time, it's very watchable in this B movie way that MGM+ content tends to have. That's how Richard Roper put it in his review for Rogerebert.com. We will link that in the show notes. And I think that's exactly right and that there is plenty of room for that kind of show. It's not high art, but it's not trying to be that. It's not as sharply observed as it could be, but it's treading different enough ground in a very familiar, popular genre. and it's using enough compelling character briefs to do it. For instance, there's a character named Mickey Flanagan, Vietnam vet struggling with mental illness, who reads as Both Ziggy from season two of The Wire and also the character's path to that way of being in the world is completely different from Ziggy. Stanley Morgan's performance of Mickey is dimensioned when it actually doesn't have to be and it's watchable. I I think I'm gonna keep on with it, at least for a few episodes. I believe as of our recording this, four out of eight episodes have dropped. It's sometimes it's like good enough. Like it's a gangster procedural. Why not? For my plug Us! Why not? Actually, I mean the Extra Hot Ray Club membership. 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Uh that and much more on that episode, go to extrahotgreat.com/club to join today and then come back here next week. EHG Prime. We're welcoming back Carrie Race and we're gonna be talking about Sterley Point. Tara 44:42 I get it. Dave 44:42 Yeah, call back. Tara 44:44 Nice. Dave 44:44 All right. It is time for the extra hot. Great Canon presenting this week is Tara. Tara 44:54 Hello. As an anthology series, documentary now varies widely from episode to episode depending on the material it is iterating on. But there are a few attributes that all the great episodes have in common Here's what I would say those are and how they are evident in season four, episodes one and two, Soldier of Illusion, Parts 1 and 2 Number one, it is inspired by iconic material or personalities, and I know the word iconic is overused, but in this case it actually applies. One of the gags of Documentary Now is that for most of our lives the titular genre has been undersung and kind of geeky. Before streaming, if you were interested in watching a documentary feature, you probably had to put in a little effort to find it, unless it came from a name brand filmmaker. Since Werner Herzog is about as famous as a documentary filmmaker can be, the fact that Documentary now took three full seasons before even approaching his œuvres shows of admirable restraint from the creative team. Having made the choice to take on Herzog, not only a prolific director, but one who often appears on camera in his films, Documentary Now's viewers would have very high expectations. As far as this viewer is concerned, it meets them immediately. Clip one. Clip 46:03 The last time I stood on these ignorant stones, I was a younger man, filled with Bavarian pride. I had taken two jobs at once and with the vinegar of the pumpers declared that I could shoot both projects at the same time on the same location. Yeah. One was a film chronicling the life of the Dushkir people during their Tusjan sheep breeding season. The other was a CBS sitcom called Bachelor Nanny. The story of a single guy who, after agreeing to take in his sister's twin newborns, has to juggle babies and babes. Tara 46:54 That's Alexander Skarsgård as uh Reiner Volt, the uh stand-in for Werner Herzog here Sarah 46:56 Oh God Tara 47:01 Number two, it puts a twist on the material that would be impossible to predict. I love documentary now, but this element is not always present. redoing the September issue about the production of a small town beauty salon's lookbook as in two hairdressers in Bagleyport isn't such a departure. Any given Sunday afternoon about a bowling league is just based on a documentary about a bowling league. But when you start with a thromography of Werner Herzog, recurring themes of nonconformity and conflicts of man versus nature offer many potential angles for parody. Starting with an immersive experiential film and adding the shoot of a crass disposable 80s sitcom pilot to that is, I feel, a choice that only the minds behind Documentary Now could even think to make. Number three, it gives you just enough of what you want. Early on you can tell Soldier of Illusion is in part a gloss on Burden of Dreams, Les Blank's documentary about the making of Herzog's scripted film Fitzcaraldo, and if you didn't Not see where it was going, seeing all the Bachelor and Nanny set furniture being carried by hand over Forbidding Mountains probably tipped you off. And once you know that, you might try to figure out which of the stars of Bachelor and Nanny is going to disrupt the production and clash with Reiner In other words, who's going to be Reiner's Klaus Kinski. Turns out it won't be Gary Jacks or Kevin Butterman or any of the four non-baby twins cast to play the two show's baby twins. Where it goes starts with Gary being asked to participate in a Dushkir ceremony called the Wolf Game Clip 2. Clip 48:32 This is so weird. Okay. What what what do I do? He's a wolf. You must kill him. He's a wolf and I just kill him with this plant thing, right? With him Okay, you are a wolf And you must Stop! The wolf was your brother! You killed your brother! You told me to kill him! You must beg the wolf for forgiveness! Now! Now! I'm so sorry, please forgive me. I I didn't I didn't even know I had a brother The Wolf Spirit accepted Gary's apology. To celebrate, we shared a meal of Ufa and Gary Jacks signed a few headshots. He was now a part of the tribe. Tara 49:21 Put a pin in that because not long after the production's doing a hair and makeup test when the Dushkir village is invaded by starving bears Reiner's mysterious AD, Halftone, fights back against the bear and saves what crew members he can. But yes, we do have to take a detour to Grizzly Man, Clip 3. Clip 49:37 After the violence that Hoftong committed that day, I would only ever show this footage to CBS head of comedy, Alani Afa. That shirt is good, right? You like the shirt? The makeup test would prove successful. Is that a bear? No. However, the orgy of violence that followed it would be another story. Jesus Christ. Halfto's attack was so swift and brutal that the Kamchatka bear and his girlfriend survived 68 stab wounds before escaping to the safety of death. No one can see this. I agree. I will destroy the footage. But it will continue to haunt us forever. Are they gonna try something different with Gary Jack's hair? Yes, of course. Tara 50:41 Speaking of Gary Clipfor Clip 50:43 Under Andropov, the Soviet Union had outlawed indigenous activities and games. Footage of Gary Jacks playing the Wolf Game had fallen into the hands of the KGB.they're saying they would shut down filming and expel all of us. Or They can take Gary Jacks. If we promise not to make an international incident out of it, they will let us continue. Tara 51:14 That's a wrap on Gary. We never find out what happens to him either, by the way. Enter Dieter Daimler, Reiner's Frequent Star and Tormentor, Clip 5. Clip 51:24 Hey Runner, you fucking ich bin Heyers. Tara 51:33 That's I am the son in German. Gary had just hoped for a long-running job that would keep him paid for decades. Dieter has a habit on every shoot of nearly killing people, so it's a different energy. Number four, it gives you lots of what you didn't know you needed. It's not possible for me to highlight all of the bachelor and annie related gags. It's clear that the episode's credited writer John Mulaney has a deep knowledge of 80s sitcom production and probably had fifty more jokes he had to cut, but here are a few. the the ones that make it in. CBS's head of comedy, Alan Yaffa bringing his fairious showbiz awards to his yurt. The Bachelor and Annie set furnishings include a couch shaped like a pair of lips and a neon Budweiser sign in the shape of a guitar The casting of The Girl in a sitcom like this is such an afterthought that Brian the Bachelor Nanny's wisecracking landlady can be played by Macho, the douchhir chieftain's daughter, who speaks no English. The plan to approximate studio conditions in an abandoned boron mine is abandoned itself when a local geologist explains that speaking above a child's whisper will cause the mine to collapse, at which Reiner tiptoes out, leaving the geologist on his own. Reiner closing his taping intro by reading a list of crew members who died from exposure during pre-production, and this clip six. Clip 52:50 In order to get the best crowd reactions, the network has insisted on not using a local audience. Instead they want to fly people from woodland hills, California. It's a suburb where major firms are focused grouped. While their fat, corpulent ignorance does enrage me, I have to agree. They do make the best test audiences. Tara 53:19 Tape night is interrupted when tribesmen from a neighboring village raid the set. Hilariously, the footage of villagers fighting on the set while cameras are still rolling is so garishly lit that even the violence reads like any other sitcom of the era, but If you think Reiner would abandon this project midway through just because of dozens of casualties, you don't know Reiner, clip seven. Clip 53:40 Filming was passed for the day. The audience was given a small per diem and pizza to stay the night, while art department mopped up the carnage and redressed the sets. At dawn the next day, we filmed the final scene. The events and hardships of the journey were Evident in the breathtaking performances. Oh, April. You really mean it? I mean you you won't evict me for having Two baby twins? Sure they can stay. You whine more than them anyway. Man, that's great She seems cool for someone you caught Attila the Bay. Hey bro, don't listen to him. Did you mean that? But of course not. I was joking. She na my baby was demo. What about the babe part? You could quote me on that. Tara 54:56 That the show makes it to air with Dieter playing the role in presumably 22 episodes and gets him nominated for an Emmy is the best gag of all. Number five, it's anchored by an incredible performance you would never see if this show did not exist. I know that Werner Herzog's trademark world weary narration makes him a frequent subject for impressionists. At this point, I have loved Paul F. Tompkins' take for over a decade, but embodying Reiner at two very different moments in his long life, Alexander Skarsgård is on another level. For example, clip eight. Clip 55:27 Well when a camera is brought into nature, like the tool given to the jester monkey The very state of nature is changed. A wilderness with a camera in it is no longer a wilderness. It is something else. When you add another camera to that, you are adding a camera to a new thing, which is a wilderness with already a camera in it. Each lens distorts the previous distortion. What you are left with at the end, it's not a wilderness anymore. But an illusion resembling a wilderness. Dave 56:11 Some real mojo jojo energy there with that narration. Tara 56:14 Yes. Dave 56:15 In the camera, the wilderness and the wilderness is in the camera. Tara 56:18 Just a couple of minutes later, we get this clip nine. Clip 56:22 Alan Jaffa at CBS and Sharon Schuster at Loerma Who I love, everyone loves Sharon, that came to me with this piece, Bachelor Nanny, after seeing a three-hour film of mine, The Trials of Master Freim. Tara 56:40 Obviously, the real Werner Herzog must know a lot about how to navigate the entertainment industry. To have gotten so many films made, but the idea of someone based on this thoughtful, curious intellectual having opinions about studio executives is So funny to me. Skarsgard seems to take every loony role that is offered to him and thank God. But this one is the sort of thing that couldn't have happened except in the peak TV era that is now certainly over. We should all be grateful that it lasted long enough for Skarsgard to show up in it just being the tallest, handsomest, weird little freak working on screen today. I wish I could say this episode is perfect. Alas, a cut to a newspaper report on the announcement of Bachelor and Annie that name drops screenwriting legend Baba Lou Mandel misspells his surname as Mendel, but other than that, it's pretty unimpeachable Voting into the canon or I will turn you into the KGB. Dave 57:30 Thank you, Tara. Boy, I'm looking forward to Tim's take on this being our film expert. Tim, what do you think about the show and Tara's argument for it? Tim 57:40 I mean Tara makes the argument for it. And I really love Tara what you said about the the reasons what makes a good episode of documentary now. uh to just uh put my cards on the table. I am torn about this episode. I like Documentary Now a lot. But I think that you're absolutely right about what makes an episode of Documentary Now really special. I I think for me what I uh what I like most about this episode is all the TV stuff. That I think is the stuff that works really, really well. And like you said, the juxtaposition of a Werner Herzog-like figure being forced to work in that world, work on a crappy sitcom. I mean, there's there's no illusion that Bachelor Nanny is just garbage And I think that's like one of the best things. Like one of the things I th that you said I I completely agree with is that John Mulaney doesn't just know that world. He really loves junky 80s stuff. Like he really, really, like he knows it really well and he loves it The only thing they think that you didn't mention this great about the episode is the logo for Bachelor Nanny on the jackets is perfect. Sarah 58:44 Mm-hmm. Tim 58:44 That's exactly right. That's exactly what that crew jacket would look like. And so I think I I am more uh I get more stuck on the actual Herzog stuff. I also love Paul F. Tompkins' impression. And actually, after re-watching this episode, I re-watch Paul F. Tompkins doing uh his comedy bang bang herzog thing, which I just love so much. when he's talking about doing uh ghoul hunting too is just it's just so good. It's just so good. I think for me, and I don't know if this is because I'm I'm a a film guy I have a pretty high bar when it comes to Herzog impressions and just jokes about Herzog. And I think that the the sh the episode is the best and the performance is the best when Skarsgård stretches out Oooze, and there were several in the clips that you had and made me laugh every when he talks about that that syllable especially he nails and it's really really well done. Tara 59:39 Mm-hmm. Tim 59:41 I found myself thinking, I feel like I've seen this impression before. It's a good impression, but I feel like I've seen the impression before. And I would say that for me with Documentary Now episodes, I tend to like them better when they're about one film. Because they feel like they can drill down in a way. Like I love the Artist is Present, Marina Abramović episode. I love Salesmen. I love Co-op. When they're really like specifically just being like, this is this movie and we're gonna do our own version of it. And this one is it's a little more diffuse and it works a little bit less well for me. As somebody who loves his documentary Into the Abyss, I forgot and loved that the end of the of the episode actually ends with a uh extended uh reference to Into the Abyss. But I also feel like with documentary now episodes, I think they work really well when they kind of get in and they get out. And because this episode is a two-parter, it's longer. It's more ambitious and elaborate. I felt like it was a little more stretched out than the episodes that I really love, which kind of brings to mind the question of like, am I being too hard in terms of what's canon and what's not? So I went back and looked at other like looked at the list of other episodes. And to me, there were like at least six or seven that I just think are stronger and better. I think this one is really good. But I felt like the sitcom stuff is really funny, but the Herzogian stuff and the references, like you played the clip of the the film that he made where he has like has like the little person I think in it. That stuff feels a little more familiar. And the surprise, like you talked about when you were laying it out, the surprise of the sitcom and doing that stuff I think is the strongest stuff. I would also say that Fred Armisen is sometimes an acquired taste for me. Tara 01:01:30 Sure Tim 01:01:30 And and I I don't entirely love him. I the joke that you played is my favorite one, the reference to Grizzly Man. He says, You're gonna change the hair, right? Like, oh yeah, that's really funny. I feel like I feel like Armisen often thinks his performance is funnier than I think the performance is funny. So I it's like if we were talking about recommending it. I like this episode quite a lot, but I found myself holding back on giving it a canon, though I have to say your argument for it was incredibly well put together and made me think, am I being too hard on this? I I do think I I I would probably not go for canon, but it was close for me. Dave 01:02:10 Thank you, Jim. Sir Sarah 01:02:12 I'd like to focus for a moment. Yeah, I have a Herzog imitation. It is one word, is the word focus. I am known for it in the Bunting family. Thank you. I will not be taking questions. I thought this was brilliant because it does both things. Like, I don't disagree that documentary now can be sharper and feel more Necessary when it is taking a single property and drilling down, but I have read Herzog's Conquest of the Useless three times he just has such a way of putting things and I think that Mulaney has also spent as much time with Herzog's work with Herzog's phrasings and interviews with the book Herzog on Herzog and with his like Weird, codependent, fraternally abusive relationship with Klaus Kinski. That Kinski impression was like the parts of Kinski that make him interesting and like compelling and ensourcing, but without being quite as uh repellent as Kinski can sometimes be And um I think that it's that combination, that sort of like the soft serve swirl of flavors of This looks and feels like what it was like to haul a fucking ship over a literal mountain while they were trying to film Fitzcaraldo, and then at the same time, Herzog is keeping an extremely detailed, impressionistic diary unlike matchbooks and leaves, and everyone's feet are literally moldering It was a miserable shoot and he spoke about it so beautifully and immersively and you get that sense of that part of it from these episodes. But then it's like, well, but what if the extra, like the extra thing that he's trying to do at the same time, since he already hucked all this equipment out to The middle of nowhere is a sitcom and all of that stuff like the lips couch, the old diet pepsi can This is exactly the script. This is exactly the yellow and blue color combination. This is perfect. His enthusiasm for reading the like basically subtitling the lady love interest Gigantic laugh! Uh I mean I just had many gigantic laughs, but also this is the best of documentary now in that it has this felt experience fondness for all aspects of what it is satirizing and that's what makes this Amazing. Like and that there are just these little visuals that are like very funny but also strangely beautiful. Like the applause sign that is like lit by fire that he finds in a heap. Tara 01:05:05 Yeah Sarah 01:05:08 I was much more impressed with it. I also I agree Armisen is like like often the rotten banana in this movie, but I f Dave 01:05:16 Yeah Tara 01:05:17 Yeah. Sarah 01:05:17 I think that he was used to exactly the right effect. This was a delight to revisit, and I would uh watch it again anytime. But I'm looking forward to hearing Dave's fug Comments on Herzog and Perfect Strangers meeting together in a Carvel Cup Dave 01:05:34 Yeah, I enjoyed this quite a bit and just listening to Tart's argument. If I was coming to a this blind, the opening line that That's the phrase, ignorant stones. I mean if you're not sold there, I don't know. Sarah 01:05:46 Yeah Stones Dave 01:05:47 I don't know. I think f I think you're lost I guess the only thing I really want to shine a light on for this episode is just how well they nailed the production, the look of it, the uh you know the the imitation of the filmic qualities of the time. The one detail that really impressed me is when they showed the title of the documentary, it Sarah 01:06:04 Mm-hmm Dave 01:06:09 Fades in a period appropriate way. If they just did it, you know, with their computers and left it the way they do now, it would fade from white to gray. But because they're using optical effects and using rubies and all this kind of stuff back in the day, usually it would fade to red before it fades out and they captured that little moment. So things like that, I thought Really speak to the uh attention to detail. If you want to reproduce that logo, the fonts you want are souvenir and bookmen Sarah 01:06:36 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:06:36 Skarsgard's performance here I really enjoyed. Sarah 01:06:38 It's so good Dave 01:06:40 And I think he is the one known face that I would have liked to keep if I could recast this. I definitely would have taken Fred Armisen out because he feels like Tara 01:06:47 For sure. Dave 01:06:49 He is an intruder into what they're trying to do with this episode. I feel like he is the face that kind of takes me out of this and reminds me that this is uh Hollywood production that they're all making. Like I don't think Mulaney would have been as g would be the same problem with him. Tara 01:07:03 Or Bill Hader, who's not in the season at all. Sarah 01:07:04 Mm. Dave 01:07:04 Right. Sarah 01:07:05 Yeah. Dave 01:07:06 The rest of the cast on this are they're really great and they all perform their roles well and I kinda wish we could have had another unfamiliar face. Sarah 01:07:06 Good point. Dave 01:07:15 at the Fred Armisen character. I think it would have worked a bit bit better there. But just overall, not the most sort of like ha ha ha belly laughs episode of documentary now. For me, that is always going to be co-op. Tara 01:07:27 Mm-hmm. Which is already in the canon, Tim, in case you were wondering. Dave 01:07:29 It's already in the canon. Sarah 01:07:30 Yes. Dave 01:07:31 But this one, the care that went into recreating the mood of it and the idea that we're combining this with a CBS.comedy is just like a really funny concept. And yeah, it probably would have been better if it was shorter, but I didn't mind it. Let's make this official. Tim Grierson, what say you here? Sounds like you're on the fence leaning no, but let's make it official. Tim 01:08:00 I am on the fence leaning now Dave 01:08:02 Okay. Serity bunting. Sarah 01:08:04 As I explained to a seismologist, it's a yes for me. Dave 01:08:07 It's a yes for me, too. So Documentary now, season four, episodes one and two, Soldier of Illusion. You are here by inducted into the Extra Hot Great cannon. Clip 01:08:29 Americans love a winner. Yep. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave 01:08:34 Alright, we're running long so quickly, please. Winner and loser of the week is coming at you. Sarah, who is this week's winner? Sarah 01:08:41 Well, it feels awkward to phrase this as a winner under any circumstances, but especially after our conversation about Copaganda. However, it is on Patrol Colon Live, which has now gathered the entire Live PD gang back together. Tom Morris Jr. has joined the new show. There's just abrams and watching police departments is like a weeble. It won't fall down. We've tried. Dave 01:09:06 When I saw the dock, my brain said paw patrol and I was like wow crazy Tara Loser Sarah 01:09:10 Yeah. Tara 01:09:12 My loser is Mary Beth Barone, one of the stars of overcompensating, who said recently on the Talk Easy podcast that she and Benito Skinner, the creator and star of Overcompensating, also her co-host on Barone's podcast Ride. have tried to get out of their contract at Deer Media because the CEO's politics do not align with theirs, so A, what I'm hearing is someone pre pays you to make a podcast brag, sort of. But then B, I was curious who else has podcasts on this network and the most famous people are probably Aaron and Sarah Foster of Nobody Wants This Fame. That's where their podcast is. I have not seen them say they were trying to get out of their podcast contract, just saying. But I'm gonna link in the show notes to the um the page of all of the Dear Media shows because it is really a master class in cliches of what people put in like the the cover art for their podcasts. Like so many Cocktails, so many cups of coffee, like some of them are even the those things are in the name. Very lazy. It's like an other two cutaway joke about the cliches of podcasts. So, you know, that was an education for me. Dave 01:10:27 Speaking about things that are educational for you, do you know what time it is? You know, we got a lot of people listening to this podcast. If somebody could tell me what's wrong with my eyes that they've been producing goop for the last two months nonstop, I would love to hear it. I'm sure it's something terrible and I'm about to die, but. it's it would be nice to know. Alright, this is game time. It is the eighth of the season. The scores are Tara has four. She wins today. She could clinch it. Sarah's got two, value guests have one. Today we're playing Name and Name from me in honor of last week's guest Will Leach and his partner in movie podcast crime, Tim Grierson of Grierson and Leach, I'm going to test your knowledge of name and name TV shows. I will give you a version of the TV show titles where you get the other parts of the name. So if it's name and name first names, I'm going to give you name and name last names. For example, if Tim's podcast was a TV show, I would give you the clue, Tim and Will. Alright, guess it there, you get three points. If you get it wrong, we will move on. I will give you some metadata about the show, year it debuted, the genre, and the network in which it started. Answer there for two points. If you still don't get it, you're already need the pass. I will give you the first names of the actors in that format. So the people that played those tetular roles in the same order, I will give you the actor's first name. One point there. Steel meal situation, please, Tara. Tara 01:12:02 First of all, it sounds like you can guess at every level. Dave 01:12:04 Oh yeah, you betcha. Tara 01:12:05 Steel meal situations, Sarah D. Bunting has two, I have six, Tim has Eric's meals, so one, which rolls over. Dave 01:12:14 Let's throw it uh to PICCI to see our order today Clip 01:12:18 We will start with Sarah. Dave 01:12:20 All right, Sarah's in the hot seat. Now I'm going to go to Tim. Then Tara. 27 questions. One Grosswirth Equalizer Challenge Zone in the middle of things. Are we ready to play name and name Sarah? Sarah 01:12:31 Yes Dave 01:12:31 Alright, I'm giving you the names of the characters we don't get in the real title. You must give me the real title. Here we go, giving you all what I hope are softballs. Hork and cat. Hork and cat. Clip 01:12:43 From fanalism goes on those correctly. Dave 01:12:44 Hok and cat. Sarah 01:12:46 Oh, Ren and Stippy Dave 01:12:47 Ren and Stimpy, yes, that is correct. Stimpson J Cat is Stimpy's full name. Clip 01:12:50 Oh, great. From fanalism, go on. Tara 01:12:53 Nice. Clip 01:12:53 And both it won't do it a rack and both it's a Dave 01:12:53 To Tim, you've got Keegan, Michael, and Jordan Tim 01:12:58 Uh, key and peel Dave 01:12:59 Key and Peel also good for three points. Tara, Truman and Adler. Tara 01:13:02 Yes, Will and Grace Dave 01:13:06 Will and Grace, everybody's got three points. All right. More softballs for ya. Sarah, Christine and Mary Beth Sarah 01:13:11 Yeah Dave 01:13:18 Cadney Lacey is correct for another three. These are last names for Tim. We've got Squirrel and Moose. Tim 01:13:29 Squirrel and moose. Dave 01:13:30 Squirrel and Moose, that is the name of the show. Tim 01:13:33 Well uh Rocky and Bullwinkle Dave 01:13:34 Rocky and Bullwinkle is correct. Rocket J Squirrel, Bullwinkle J Moose. Tara. Clip 01:13:39 And Kidoga. Tara 01:13:39 Yep. Dave 01:13:40 DeFazio and Feeney Clip 01:13:40 Because I met it on Kidd one. Tara 01:13:42 Uh Laverne and Shirley Dave 01:13:44 All right, everybody has maximum points. Clip 01:13:45 And both I'm going to go on Kidoga. Dave 01:13:46 Everybody has six points. Clip 01:13:48 Because I met it if you Dave 01:13:48 Now less easy. Here we go. Tara 01:13:50 Okay Dave 01:13:51 Sarah, Jane, and Mora. Sarah 01:13:54 Jane and Mora Uh Rosolian Isles? Dave 01:14:00 You are correct, yes. Sarah 01:14:00 That's wrong. Tara 01:14:00 Yeah. Sarah 01:14:01 What really? Dave 01:14:02 Correct, yes. Sarah 01:14:03 Cool. Dave 01:14:04 All right, Tim. Turner and Whitney. Turner and Whitney. Tim 01:14:10 Turner and Whitney. Dave 01:14:11 Yeah. Tim 01:14:12 I'm gonna need a clue. Dave 01:14:14 All right, this is a 1980 detective comedy on ABC. And to remind you, of course, all the titles in this show are Something and Something. Correct answer here is worth two points. Turner and Whitney, 1980s, Detective Comedy, ABC.still got one more clue in the wings. Tim 01:14:33 Give me one more clue. Dave 01:14:34 Your actor first names who played these titular characters are Ben and Jeff. Clip 01:14:34 Oh wait, I'm not going to be able to do that. Dave 01:14:41 Ben and Jeff. Tim 01:14:44 I'm going to phone a friend. That oh wait, I can't do that. Dave 01:14:49 No. Tim 01:14:50 I do not know. Dave 01:14:51 All right. Is one of your friends Jeff Goldblum because this is ten speed and Brown shoe? Tara 01:14:56 I won okay Clip 01:14:56 Oh old orangutan. Sarah 01:14:58 Oh all right. Dave 01:15:00 Yeah. Tim 01:15:01 Does Sarah have a Jeff Goldblum impression? Sarah 01:15:04 No. There it there is no impression two. Just the one. Tara 01:15:09 Yes Dave 01:15:10 Biggs and Flynn, Biggs and Flynn Tara 01:15:14 Hint give me another hint, please. Dave 01:15:15 This is a 2010 sitcom on CBS.your actors are Billy and Melissa. Tara 01:15:25 Billy and Melissa. Clip 01:15:26 Agree to a lot of Dave 01:15:28 Yeah. Tara 01:15:29 I still don't know Dave 01:15:31 Anybody? Steel mill? Nope. That's Mike and Molly. Tara 01:15:35 Oh, sure. Sarah 01:15:35 Oh, right. Dave 01:15:36 Might come on. Back to Sarah. You've got m Milton and Mark. Sarah 01:15:38 Yeah. Dave 01:15:41 Milton and Mark. This is a toughie. Sarah 01:15:47 Starsky and Hutch Dave 01:15:50 It is a nineteen eighty-three action crime drama that debuted on ABC. Clip 01:15:53 I wonder if I ran because our man and Sarah 01:15:59 Jake and the Fat Man. Fuck it. Dave 01:16:02 Starring Brian and Daniel Clip 01:16:05 Oh bomb, along with the biggest one. Tara 01:16:05 Oh, that's not what I thought. Sarah 01:16:08 Brian and Daniel Dave 01:16:09 Yeah. And if I'm remembering this right, I think it has sort of a conceptual lineage to one of your favorite dumb shows, but I'm not 100% on that. Clip 01:16:14 Oh, I think we don't know why I have a lot of people. Sarah 01:16:20 Well it's not Simon and Simon, so I just I don't know. Tara 01:16:23 That's what I thought it was too. Sarah 01:16:23 I'm sorry. Dave 01:16:25 Any guesses? This is Hardcastle and McCormick, which I believe involved a car, a supercar of some sort. Tara 01:16:29 Oh, sure. Sarah 01:16:29 Oh right, yeah. Tim 01:16:30 Oh, yeah. Clip 01:16:30 I want to hack around because I'm not a cut. Tara 01:16:31 Uh-huh. Dave 01:16:33 Yeah. Titim, you've got Lee and Amanda. Lee and Amanda is your hidden part of the name title. Lee and Amanda. Tim 01:16:45 It's not cagne in lace, eh? Dave 01:16:46 No. Tim 01:16:47 Um, give me a hint. Dave 01:16:49 This is a nineteen eighty-three action comedy romance on CBS.doing a lot of work here Tim 01:16:57 You said C B S Dave 01:16:58 Yeah, CVS.action comedy romance from 83. Tim 01:17:02 Lee and Amanda. Dave 01:17:04 Yeah, those are your character names. Clip 01:17:05 What's the Tim 01:17:07 I'll take one more hint. Dave 01:17:08 Okay, your actor's first name, Bruce and Kate. Bruce and Kate. If he doesn't get this right, somebody can steel mail this for a delicious point. Deep in thought. Tim 01:17:20 Simon and Simon. Dave 01:17:21 Simon assignment is not correct. Sarah 01:17:23 I will steal meal this. Tara 01:17:23 Steel meal. Oh, go ahead, Sarah. Dave 01:17:24 Oh, alright, Sarah. Sarah 01:17:24 Fuck it. Scarecrow and Mrs. King. Dave 01:17:27 You are correct for one point, Scarecrow and Mrs. Tim 01:17:28 No. Tara 01:17:28 Oh, good thing you did, because I was wrong. Dave 01:17:30 King. What did you think? Tara 01:17:32 And I don't want to say because it might come up. Dave 01:17:33 Uh all right, Tara, you will take us into our scorebreak. Tara 01:17:35 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dave 01:17:38 You've got Bobby and Eve. Bobby and Eve. Tara 01:17:46 Well, I'll just try the one I thought the last one was because I don't know the first names of that either. Magruder and Loud. Okay. Sarah 01:17:53 Oh yeah Dave 01:17:53 Yeah. This is a nineteen eighty-two sci-fi police drama on NBC. Clip 01:17:59 And don't let it go. Tara 01:18:03 Hint Dave 01:18:04 Starring David and Yancey Tara 01:18:08 Oh god. Fuck. I don't remember what this one was called. Yancy Dave 01:18:14 Anybody? This is man and machine Tara 01:18:17 Machine. Sarah 01:18:19 Oh no. Dave 01:18:21 Speaking about Dick Wolf properties. Tara 01:18:23 Yeah Sarah 01:18:23 Wow. Dave 01:18:23 Alright, we are almost halfway through. I would like a score break, please. Tara 01:18:29 Okay, sorry, I had to subtract Sarah's steel meal. Tim and I are tied with six points each. Sarah D. Bunting is leading with ten. Dave 01:18:38 Ooh, alright, so that means Tim and Tara, you get the share of the Growth Surf Ecolize your challenge on. Which means if you get 'em right right away, you're gonna have one point five points apiece. And you know I love when we end up with fractional scores. Tara 01:18:55 I d I do know that. Dave 01:18:57 Alright, so what I've done is I had extra questions. So I'm just gonna give you a bonus question of this format. You can answer together. And if you get three points, you will split them. Here we go. Your alternate name title is Reginald and Bertie. Reginald and Bertie. Just uh talks amongst yourselves. Tara 01:19:15 I think that's Jeeves and Wooster. Dave 01:19:18 He th she thinks Jeeves and Wooster. Tim 01:19:19 I I trust you. Dave 01:19:21 Alright, Jeeves and Wooster, final answer. Tara 01:19:23 Yes. Dave 01:19:24 You are correct, yes Tara 01:19:25 Woo. Tim 01:19:25 Good job, Tara. Dave 01:19:26 Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie. Then you're adding one and a half points apiece. Alright, let's get back to it. Tara 01:19:32 Okay. Dave 01:19:33 Server D Bunting, you got Rodriguez and Ed. Rodriguez and Ed. Clip 01:19:41 Yeah. Dave 01:19:41 S something and something. Sarah 01:19:43 Shico and the man Dave 01:19:44 You are correct, three points, yes. Tim 01:19:45 Mm. Tara 01:19:46 Nice Tim 01:19:47 Nicely done. Dave 01:19:48 Tim, you've got Hansen and Bergstein. Hansen and Bergstein. Tim 01:19:54 I'll take it clear. Clip 01:19:55 The low quick I want to go back. Dave 01:19:55 This is a 2015 comedy on Netflix. Clip 01:19:59 I want to take a cut the low quick Tim 01:20:02 Oh God. Um give me the last clue. Dave 01:20:06 Starring Jane and Lily Tim 01:20:08 Yeah Dave 01:20:13 Name and name. Hansen and Vergstein Comedy Netflix 2015 Jane and Lily. Tim 01:20:16 If If I if if I give you the actor's last name, do I get a half a point? Dave 01:20:22 Yeah, well Tim 01:20:22 I can I this is gonna drive me absolutely cra No that would actually that would I would give me back up to a full point. Sarah 01:20:24 That ruins the fraction, he'll never allow that. Dave 01:20:26 Yeah. Tim 01:20:30 I would be okay then. Yeah, I'm I'm just thinking of Dave. Sarah 01:20:32 Mm-hmm. Tim 01:20:34 No, I can't remember it. Dave 01:20:34 Yeah. Tim 01:20:35 It's right Dave 01:20:35 Alright, what is it? Tara 01:20:35 I'll steal Muleet. Dave 01:20:36 Oh, Steel Mill from Tara. Clip 01:20:37 Cannot because I'm not in the car and get over it. Tara 01:20:37 Grace and Frankie. Dave 01:20:38 Grace and Frankie, good for one point. Tim 01:20:39 Thank you. Dave 01:20:40 Yes, Grace and Frankie. Clip 01:20:40 You both good and both the one does no one can know because I'll know Dave 01:20:42 Tara! Tara 01:20:43 Yep. Dave 01:20:43 Rick and AJ is the name of this show. Clip 01:20:47 Like the cable point Tara 01:20:47 This is Simon and Simon Dave 01:20:48 This is Simon to Simon, correct? Sarah 01:20:49 It is. Dave 01:20:50 Yes. Sarah. Sarah 01:20:52 Yeah Dave 01:20:52 Steiger and JL.jL Sarah 01:20:59 Is this Jake and the Fat Man? Dave 01:21:01 Yes, it is! Tara 01:21:02 Nice. Dave 01:21:02 It is Jake and the Fat Man, yes. Nicely done. Joe and William. Sarah 01:21:06 I never watched any of these 80 shows, but they're all clattering around in here. Dave 01:21:10 Yeah. Alright, this is question seventeen. Sarah 01:21:12 Ugh. Sprite go. Dave 01:21:13 It is for Tim. You've got Finkelstein and Montgomery. Finkelstein and Montgomery. Tim 01:21:20 I'll take a clue. Dave 01:21:22 This is a nineteen ninety-seven sitcom on A B C Tim 01:21:29 I'll do the last hand. Dave 01:21:30 Starring Jenna and Thomas. What are you thinking, Tim? Tim 01:21:36 I'm thinking that that part of my brain that's held on to things from the 80s and 90s is dying in real time. Dave 01:21:42 Sure. Tim 01:21:43 I if the listeners can help me the way they helped Dave with that thing, that goop in his eye. Dave 01:21:47 Yeah. Tim 01:21:47 I'll give you my email address at the end. Dave 01:21:48 Okay. Tim 01:21:49 Uh Darman Greg. Dave 01:21:51 You're correct. Tara 01:21:51 Yeah. Dave 01:21:52 One point. Sarah 01:21:52 Oh, yeah. Dave 01:21:53 That was some professional stalling. Nicely done. Tara, your show name is I'm gonna give you two versions of this and I'll explain why after. Tara 01:21:57 Yep. Okay. Okay Dave 01:22:02 Hank and Rudy or Hank and Rinti at the end Tara 01:22:08 Are you going to explain why? At the end. Hank. Dave 01:22:12 So Hank and Rudy, or alternatively, Hank and Rinti. Tara 01:22:14 Yeah. Okay, hint Clip 01:22:16 Kind of like I want to take a cut kind of Dave 01:22:17 This is a 1988 action adventure on CTV and Family Channel Tara 01:22:25 Oh god. What was it called? Sarah 01:22:27 Wow Tara 01:22:29 Oh it hurts. I give me the it's not gonna help, but give me the last clue anyway. Dave 01:22:34 Yeah. All right. The actors' first names are Jesse and Rudolf von Holstein the Third Tara 01:22:39 Yeah. I don't know Dave 01:22:50 This is the Canadian show in which the dog was named Rudy, and then in America it was known as Rinti. Tara 01:22:55 Uh and dog, yep. Dave 01:22:57 It is cats and dog. Cats and dog. Tim 01:23:01 Mm Dave 01:23:02 Back to Sarah for question. Clip 01:23:03 Oh nine day all ninety nineteen. Dave 01:23:07 You've got the show Sanchez and Smith. Sarah 01:23:12 Sanchez and Smith hint Dave 01:23:15 Right. A twenty thirteen animated sci-fi sitcom Sarah 01:23:22 Pegan cat? I don't know. Dave 01:23:26 Voice actor first names, Justin and Justin Sarah 01:23:30 Oh, Justin and Justin Dave 01:23:33 Which is might be the most this person's been named in a pop culture element in in a little bit. Sarah 01:23:36 Oh my god. I don't know. Josie and the pussy guests? Dave 01:23:40 No. Tara 01:23:41 Steelmill Rick and Morty Sarah 01:23:41 I don't know. Dave 01:23:41 Steel mill from Tara. Rick and Morty is good for one point, yeah. Sarah 01:23:44 Oh, that bastard. Dave 01:23:46 Yep. Sarah 01:23:46 Alright. Dave 01:23:47 Alright, back to Tim. You've got Rockmore and Kimball. Rockmore and Kimball. Clip 01:23:53 I would create a low point. Tim 01:23:56 Okay, I'll take a hint. Dave 01:23:58 Nineteen ninety-six sitcom A Nickelodeon Tim 01:24:03 Uh, I'll take the actors. Dave 01:24:05 Okay, feeling good about your chances after this hint. Your actors first names are Keenan and Kel Don't say I never do anything for it, Tim. Tim 01:24:17 Uh Keenan and Cal Dave 01:24:19 You are correct. Good for one point. Back to Tara. Tara 01:24:22 Yep. Dave 01:24:22 You've got David Michael and Kenneth Richard. Those are not last names. The name of the show is David and Michael and Kenneth Richard. Tara 01:24:31 Hint, and then we're not going to be able to do that. Dave 01:24:32 This is a 1975 action TV show on ABC. Clip 01:24:38 Kindle I want to buy. Dave 01:24:39 They were played by Paul Michael and David. Tara 01:24:42 This is Star Ski and Hutch. Clip 01:24:43 I want that Dave 01:24:43 This is Sarske and Hutch, yes. Good for one. Back to Sarah. You've got Dorsey and Colbert or Colbert. I don't know which way you're supposed to pronounce it. Let's assume Colbert. Dorsey and Colbert is your TV show. Sarah 01:25:00 Franklin and Bash, let's try it. Dave 01:25:03 Nineteen ninety-five sitcom on Fox Sarah 01:25:06 Ned and Stacy Dave 01:25:07 Is good for two points. Tara 01:25:08 No ice, I think it is Dave 01:25:08 I believe that's our first two-point answer. Tim, you've got Fred and Lamont. Fred and Lamont. Tim 01:25:17 What's your clue? Dave 01:25:18 This is a 1972 sitcom on NBC.this show is as old as I. Tara 01:25:23 With a beloved theme song, I'll add that. Dave 01:25:25 Mm, bonus information from Tara. Sarah 01:25:26 Mm-hmm. Tim 01:25:28 Oh. I appreciate that you think that that helps. Uh my my feeble brain. Give me one more uh hint Dave 01:25:36 Your actor's first names, Red and Damond. Tim 01:25:40 Samford and Son. Dave 01:25:40 Stand for an assignment good for one. Sarah 01:25:41 There you go. Dave 01:25:45 Alright, Tara. Tara 01:25:45 Yeah Dave 01:25:46 Jonathan and Jennifer. Nineteen seventy-nine mystery drama ABC Heart to Heart is good for two Clip 01:25:55 From gangs, because you want to go and go ahead and go on control because I'm bad catering all the grand Tara 01:25:56 Heart to heart Dave 01:26:00 To Sarah, this is your last question. Sarah 01:26:01 Yep. Dave 01:26:02 McArdle and Lowell. Tara 01:26:04 This is the one I've been waiting for. Dave 01:26:06 Hmm Sarah 01:26:07 Is this Pegruder and loud? I don't know. Dave 01:26:10 This is, however, a nineteen eighty-four sitcom on CBS.mcArdle and Lowell Clip 01:26:15 Kato both and both canoe because I was catering Dave 01:26:18 Kate Nally, yes, two points. Nicely done. Tim, your last question is Stuart and Sally. Stuart and Sally. As with a U, I know it's gonna make a big difference to you Tim 01:26:32 I actually wrote it down that way, so I'm I'm happy about that. I'll take a I'll take a hint. Dave 01:26:36 This is a nineteen seventy-six police procedural on NBC. Tim 01:26:42 Have we done Star C and Hutch yet? Dave 01:26:44 Yeah, we have Tara 01:26:44 Yeah. Tim 01:26:45 1976. Which which network was that again? Dave 01:26:47 NBC, the National Broadcasting C Tim 01:26:48 Sorry. Sarah 01:26:51 Concern Tim 01:26:52 Uh, give me one last hint. Dave 01:26:55 Your actors' first names are Rock and Susan, nineteen seventy-six. Clip 01:27:00 The Kodo is the grind, but I want to get a bunch of going and both the Kodo is the green bullet Sarah 01:27:02 Oh shit, yeah Tim 01:27:02 I'm gonna let someone steal this. Dave 01:27:04 All right. Anybody? Know it? Tara 01:27:07 Well, I know it, but I'm not gonna officially steal it 'cause I already lost. Dave 01:27:08 Okay, what is it Clip 01:27:10 I want to go with and bullsh I want to hit a cut cut. Tara 01:27:10 McMillan and Wife. Dave 01:27:11 McMillan and wife is your answer here. Tim 01:27:13 Yeah. Dave 01:27:13 Yes, McMillan and wife. No points. Tara, finish us off with Flynn and Fletcher. Tara 01:27:15 Yep. Clip 01:27:18 I want to go with and bull. I want to hit a Tara 01:27:20 Hmm, hint Dave 01:27:21 This is a 2007 animated musical comedy on the Disney Channel. Clip 01:27:24 Oh, you know, all it around. Tara 01:27:28 Is it um hint Dave 01:27:29 Yes. Sarah 01:27:32 How wonderful for it. Dave 01:27:33 Your voice actor first names are Vincent and Thomas, which of course leads you to this answer being the following. Tara 01:27:43 The wrong answer, salmon cat. I know that's not right Dave 01:27:47 This is Phineas and Ferb. Tara 01:27:49 Oh, sure. Sarah 01:27:50 Oh sure. Dave 01:27:50 Phineas and Ferb. Sarah 01:27:51 God, there's so many still on the board. Clip 01:27:51 No, that's not that not that knock it not that you just come back. Sarah 01:27:53 We could play this again. Dave 01:27:55 There is quite a bit still out there, yeah. All right. Scores, please Tara 01:27:59 All right, our final scores are Tim with 10 and a half, me with 15 and a half, and Sarity Munting, our Victor, with 20. Dave 01:28:09 Wow, all right, nicely done, Sarah. Tim 01:28:10 Oh, yeah. Dave 01:28:11 I have a tiebreaker here. I am going to give it to everybody. First person to shout out the answer. Guess a steel mill for future use. Tara 01:28:21 Okay, yes. Dave 01:28:21 Are we ready? Sarah 01:28:22 Yes Dave 01:28:22 Here we go. Your alternate show title is McConnell eventually and McConnell. McConnell and McConnell with an asterisk on that first McConnell Tricky ones, anybody know? I will give you more info. Doesn't feel like anybody has an answer here, but if you want to guess, go ahead. All right, this is a 1978 sitcom and ABC.mcConnell and McConnell. Tara 01:28:47 Uh is this Joni Los Chachi? Dave 01:28:52 All right, Tarzette. Tara 01:28:52 Hmm. Why did I say that? Dave 01:28:54 I don't know. Tara 01:28:54 I know his name is Arcola. Dave 01:28:56 Your first name actors are Robin and Pam. Morgan Mindy is correct. Sarah 01:29:03 Oh, good job, Tim Dave 01:29:04 Mork adopted Mindy's last name when they were adopting a baby or something like that. Tara 01:29:08 Oh, that's cute. Dave 01:29:09 So he had to take her name for the marriage license or something of that sort. Tara 01:29:11 Sure. Tim 01:29:11 Because of woke Sarah 01:29:12 Gotcha. Dave 01:29:13 Yeah. Alright, nicely done, Tim, but today's game belongs to Sarah. Clip 01:29:22 Sarah Sarah. Tara 01:29:23 Sarah Sarah 01:29:24 Sarah Whoa Dave 01:29:25 Alright guys, that is it for another episode of Extra Hot Great. We didn't get so furious about the revenge crime drama Furious. Before going around the dial with stops at Married at First Sight, the unauthorized Bash Brothers experience and the westies Tara showed us the depths of human misery, but also funny TV, getting Soldier of Illusion into the canon. We crowned winners and losers of the week, and Sarah was the winner of this week's Namey Game Time. Next up, we're hopping in the time machine for a commercial deep dive and more on Extra Extra Hot Great this Friday. Clip 01:29:59 And I thought an old we're listening. Dave 01:30:01 Remember I am David T. Cole and on behalf of Tara Ariano, Serra D. Bunting. Tara 01:30:09 The wolf was your brother Sarah 01:30:12 And little love's like, yeah yeah, that's a good one. Dave 01:30:16 And Tim Grierson. Tim 01:30:18 Wait, I thought we were gonna go to the gym. Dave 01:30:20 Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time right here on Extra Pot Crate. Clip 01:30:31 Gordian re-enters with the twins wrapped in baby's waters. They each have pacifiers. Boy, these pacifiers really work. I should get one from my ex-wife. Gigantic love! And that's the blow! And with that, we fade to commercial. Okay, okay, okay Dave 01:30:52 All right, you can stop and save that. Sarah 01:30:53 So good.