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Clip 00:08 Security status has been raised to level one. I want to know what every person is doing before Before they do it, I want to know what every person is saying before they say it. I want to know what every person is thinking before they think it. Star City is now on the front line. So let's begin. Dave 00:44 This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 617 for the week of June 1st, 2026. I am Nice Hot Kettle of Coffee, David T. Cole, and I'm here with traditional tire P Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 01:02 Copy Star City leak check in progress Dave 01:05 My Eagle Tara Ariano and single space audio surveillance support Sophie Brookover Sophie 01:13 My kingdom for a more competent Stasi agent. Dave 01:19 Welcome everybody to Extra Hot Great for another week before we get into today's topic. A little bit of site business. Thanks to George, aka Jovial Gent on the Discord, we have started our Pride Month gift exchange for all U EHG listeners. Here's how it works. We're already signed up here, but you can join in at the Elfster list. Yes, Elster, but the Elf works all year long. That link is in the show notes. Sign up deadline is June 10th, after which you will get who you are buying your gift for. And then there is a $20 to $30 limit on it. And you are encouraged in your wish list not to put items, but just to put things like my favorite color of the rainbow is, and then that's the sort of gift that somebody will get you. Give them general guidance without actually giving particular items. So once again, that is in your show notes. We'd love to have you on board for that. The deadline is June 10th to sign up. Tara 02:18 Thank you, Dave. Now she is a pop culture writer and one of the two bossy dames of newsletter fame. We're welcoming her to Extra Hot Great for the first time. Dave 02:28 Yay. Tara 02:28 It's Sophie Brookover. Dave 02:29 Welcome. Tara 02:30 Welcome, Sophie. Sarah 02:30 Sophie Sophie 02:32 Hi everybody, thanks for having me. Tara 02:34 Sophie pitched herself for Star City, and that is in fact what we're talking about in the counter historical world of for all mankind. The first nation to land a person on the moon was the USSR.we've already watched the ripple effects that had in counter-historical NASA.now it's time to see what followed in the counter-historical Soviet Union. Chief designer Sergei Korolev, Rhys Ivans, I'm never sure how to say his last name, is eager to take the next step by mounting a manned mission to Venus. but Premier Leonid Brezhnev wants to establish a permanent base on the moon instead. Meanwhile, intelligence officers are listening to important targets and passing on everything they say to Lyudmilla Raskova. Anna Maxwell Martin, formerly known as the Night Witch during the Second World War, because of all the Nazis she killed, and now she's the head of Star City's KGB surveillance department. When an intelligence report sidelines a lady astronaut, another is hastily shoved into her place, which is how Anastasia Belakova, Alice Englert. unexpectedly finds herself getting accelerated cosmonaut training and a lot of other major life changes she probably did not anticipate when she joined the program. Show is created by Ben Dvee, Matt Wolpert, and For All Mankind creator Ronald D. Moore. Two episodes dropped. 29th on Apple TV, with the remaining six in the season dropping once a week on Fridays. We got access to the first five, but we'll be careful about spoilers for future episodes. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sophie, should our listen I almost said Sophie, not Sophie yet. Sophie. Dave 04:09 Welcome, Conrad, to the show. Tara 04:12 Sophie, should our listeners watch Star City? Sophie 04:15 Yes Tara 04:16 Sarah Sarah 04:17 I have a couple of little quibbles, but overall, yes, totally. Tara 04:21 Dave. Yes, for me as well. Let's get into it. Dave 04:24 This exciting update for you, Tara. Tara 04:26 Please. Dave 04:27 Evans, Evans. Tara 04:29 All right. Sophie 04:29 It's like it's like Evans, but because it's Welsh, there's like extra mustard on there. Dave 04:33 Yeah, Fans. Sarah 04:34 Mm-hmm. Dave 04:34 And I'm s I'm hurt as the person of Welsh lineage here on the show, they didn't ask me because of course I know Welsh. Tara 04:41 Uh-huh. I heard someone say Evans this weekend. That's why I thought I had possibly been wrong. Dave 04:45 It's very close to Evans Tara 04:46 So thank you, Dave. Dave 04:47 if you stuck an F in between the E and the V. Tara 04:49 Right. Dave 04:49 This has been Welsh Language Report. Tara 04:54 When we talked about season five of For All Mankind in April, we all kind of agreed it had ended up somewhere a lot Sillier than where it started. Is a hard reset to the sixties and pretty soon in the season, the seventies. What the franchise needed, Sophie, what are your thoughts? Sophie 05:08 Oh, I think so. For people who watch For All Mankind, I'm moving my brain backwards Dave 05:15 Yeah. Sophie 05:15 like many decades Dave 05:16 Mm-hmm. Tara 05:16 Mm-hmm. Sophie 05:17 trying to remember what was going on, and of course I'm not re-watching season one of for all mankind, but my recollection of it is that that is even though it's like in I guess the first Nixon administration when that when that season opens, it has a very Eisenhower y look Like everything is super shiny and affluent and isn't it wonderful and triumphalist and they simply cannot believe that the Soviets got to the moon first. Um meanwhile here, uh back in um back in Star City. You'd think that they would be celebrating a little bit more, but they're all it's so grim and grey and olive green and black and visually grainy and in just a completely different storytelling idiom. It really feels fresh Dave 06:05 It is a nice contrast for for all mankind. I will say I wish they peeled back exactly what you're saying a little bit. Me and Tari watched the show Ponies, which I thought did a good job of showing Sophie 06:16 Oh yeah. Dave 06:17 how different life is, but not one hundred percent completely miserable life could be in the Soviet Union at the time. Did we have colours in the Soviet Union beyond your drab earth tones? Probably, but not in this show. Sophie 06:32 Yeah. Dave 06:32 Like and I realize they're setting a mood, but it seemed a little disingenuous at times. Sophie 06:37 Yeah, yeah. Sarah 06:37 It was like the silo wardrobe department that it was like, oh, a slightly lighter Brown. Dave 06:40 Yeah Sarah 06:43 Is this our heroine? Dave 06:44 Yeah, we don't have wood, only concrete. Tara 06:44 Mm-hmm Dave 06:46 Sorry. Tara 06:47 Mm-hmm. Dave 06:47 Yeah. Tara 06:48 Sarah, was this one of your quibbles, the look and feel, or what were the quibbles quibbles that you had with it? Sarah 06:53 No, I mean I had a little bit of a quibble in theory with the fact that the like it is doing that Apple TVthing where it's like look how much money we spent on making everything look so drab and chillblaney and hangnaily But I didn't care. Like my I barely took any notes because I was just immersed and remembering what made For All Mankind so fascinating in the beginning. was the reimagining of a world that already existed, but at right after the doors slid. And I feel like this is just an excuse for the these producers to go back to for all mankind fans who bailed after the duct tape incident. And we're like, okay, enough already. Like, this is a soap opera. They strapped Kelly to an air conditioner. Check it off, Dave. I mentioned it. We're out, but they would come back for this. But I don't care. Like, yeah, it's a big justification to, you know, recast everybody and go back in time and start over, but I don't care, it works for me, and I think they did a great job casting Anna Maxwell Martin from Bletchley. Always one of my faves. I don't feel like I see her enough. I would have kept uh Nev Algar, who plays the compromised Lady Cosmonaut, over Sophie 08:20 Yes Sarah 08:21 the one that I can't remember her name. Tara 08:23 Alice Englert Sarah 08:25 Anglert. Uh she's good, but she looks enough like Claire Foy that it's super distracting, and I keep expecting her to be like, hello, you. Sophie 08:31 Oh Sarah 08:34 So that's like a teeny quibble. But all of the things that are sort of like, well, it's doing that Apple TV thing, like, that's not always bad. Sometimes it's very pleasurable. I like an immersive production design. And I think they did a good job constructing these early plots and these early action sequences and it's well cast. I'm sure it's a little cynical in the inception, but who cares? It was a fun sit so far. Dave 09:02 I mean, I realize they need plant their flag in the sand and say to this is what this show is compared to what came before it and that's why it is such a vibe at the start. Why Sarah 09:12 Mm-hmm Dave 09:13 we are at maximum Sovietness. I get it. I just kinda wish they could peel that back a little bit. But one of the things that makes this show quite different, at least to me From For All Mankind is for All Mankind was very much at the start, there was a ton and ton and ton of space race process And I think because Sarah 09:30 Mm-hmm. Dave 09:31 they showed us all that in For All Mankind, the choice here was, well, this is gonna be more of the psychological impact of this profession. inside of this regime. So there's a little bit of that Death of Stalin machinations here that you're like, oh really that's gonna happen to this character just because? Oh, okay, I see. So it is smartly done in that, you know, the Venn diagram, it is actually a Venn diagram. They're not just doing the Soviet version of for all mankind. There is some process here. Not a lot in the first two episodes. In the third episode we start getting into some stuff about Sophie 10:05 Yeah. Dave 10:05 the program that is quite interesting and has a sort of its own process plot line going, which I thought was nice to see as a progression of it, but it is different enough at its core that it feels as Sophie was saying, something fresh Sophie 10:21 Yeah. Sarah 10:21 Mm-hmm. Dave 10:21 while still being familiar. Tara 10:23 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Sarah 10:24 Yes. Or better call Saul. Like, there's enough of the same signposting, but it's like a just a slightly different vibe Dave 10:26 Yeah. Sophie 10:27 Right. Sarah 10:32 and back in time again. And it's like, okay, well Breaking Bad had started to curdle a little for me in just just in terms of like the discourse. And starting over was uh welcome and following the story Dave 10:45 Yeah. Tara 10:45 Mm-hmm. Sarah 10:45 from there. Tara 10:46 Despite being said in the Soviet Union the show is in English, with everyone using their real accents like in the movie Amadeus or the Chernobyl miniseries or Warrior. What do we feel about this choice that they didn't cast Russian actors or make English and Welsh actors learn Russian? Sophie. Sophie 11:06 Yeah, no, I think this was definitely the right move. Uh actually another one of my friends asked me, oh, so is it like all subtitled? Is it all in Russian? And I was like, nope, they made a very smart choice and decided to make like I think you have to make the show legible. and and reduce obstacles to pressing play. Tara 11:24 Yeah Sophie 11:24 Right? The idea and and I think that's that's one big way they did it. Sarah 11:24 Yeah. Sophie 11:28 The other is and I think we're sort of dancing around it, like you do not have to have watch for all mankind Tara 11:33 No, no, you don't. Sophie 11:33 in order to watch and be completely immersed in this show. Sarah 11:33 Yeah. No. Sophie 11:37 It stands alone. Tara 11:38 Mm-hmm. Sarah 11:39 Mhm. Sophie 11:39 You know, every time someone comes on screen who I know is gonna pop up later, I'm like, yay, but it that that's not You know, you don't have to have that experience. And honestly, uh just seeing Agnes O'Casey, who I love seeing in this particular type of role she plays Irina. Who winds up coming to For M for All Mankind, I think, in the fourth season. Everything I have seen her in, she has played this sort of like slightly posh rat-faced schemer. Tara 12:05 Uh huh. Sophie 12:06 I just she's so good at it. I love it. Dave 12:09 Yeah, I think the only time it's really worked for me is Shogun, just because that is part of the Tara 12:14 I was gonna Sophie 12:14 Hmm. Dave 12:15 part of the gist, right? Sarah 12:15 Yeah Sophie 12:16 Yeah. Tara 12:16 Well the language is part of the story, yeah. Dave 12:17 You are Sophie 12:17 Yeah. Dave 12:18 Yeah, you are isolated, you don't know what's going on, and that just sells into it, but otherwise it usually is just putting on errors. Sophie 12:23 Yeah. Tara 12:26 Right. Sarah 12:26 Well Dave 12:26 Yeah. Sarah 12:26 then they apparently asked Chernobyl creator Craig Mason, like Well, what should we do? And he's like, just cast it in English. Don't Sophie 12:34 Yeah. Sarah 12:34 don't do this to yourself. Especially at this particular moment in global history as well and relations. Dave 12:40 Yeah. Sarah 12:40 Just d do what you can do. Dave 12:42 Send work to them, no thank you Sophie 12:46 Well it also I mean i i I think Mason made the decision and encouraged the decision For practical reasons, like you were just saying, Sarah, but I think it also can be read as gosh, the Soviet Union was a really enormous country. And you know, Russian was the common language, but people from all these different Soviet Socialist Republics were speaking the language that their grandparents would have been speaking Sarah 13:09 Mm-hmm. Sophie 13:10 as well. So of course there's gonna be a lot of regional accent differences. Tara 13:15 Yeah. Sophie 13:15 Alice Engler does not use her normal voice, like her normal accent, because she's from New Zealand. Tara 13:18 No, that's true. She's New Zealand she's Keewe, yeah. Dave 13:20 Oh, that would have been great. Tara 13:22 Mm-hmm. Dave 13:24 All right. I want the like the the secondary audio programming with that intact, please. Tara 13:29 She's also Jane Campion's daughter, so uh Sarah 13:29 Yeah. Dave 13:29 Thank you. Sophie 13:31 Yeah Tara 13:32 if her getting the bigger part over the other one is Sarah 13:32 Oh wow Sophie 13:32 , Tara 13:35 part of a campaign to bring Jane Campion over to Apple TV, we'll see if it works. What's crazy about um Anna Maxwell Martin is that I believe her as much playing Lizzie Bennett in Death Comes to Pemberley or the female lead of the cozy mystery Ludwig as I do her playing the Night Witch. Sarah 13:53 Uh-huh. Tara 13:53 Sarah, you as you are you already brought up the Bletchley Circle, what did you feel about her here? Sarah 13:58 I think this was brilliant because I immediately it was like the first note I actually did take was like Bletchley Lady Tara 14:05 Mm-hmm. Sarah 14:06 Always happy to see Bletchley Ladies and talk about an immersive production design. She had that sort of balls of steel thing. But subverted in Bletchley Circle and here it's much more you see it glinting uh all the time even when the uh power is out in this world. But she does have a way of sort of going back and forth across the line of like too much battle axe that I think is exactly what this role calls for. Sophie 14:36 She's always doing several things at once. She genuinely wants Irina to come with her, this is in the second episode, to come with her to Berlin to speak with this captured potential double agent. She because she wants to hear Irina 's allegedly excellent German. She also wants to test Irina She also wants to intimidate the Stasi, who, in her opinion, like she's bored and annoyed that they have not gotten this guy to crack yet. Sarah 15:05 Uh-huh. Sophie 15:07 She's like, I cannot believe that I'm gonna have to go there. Like I have to I'm in Paris. You're telling me I need to schlep to Berlin. To crack this guy for you, I, a woman, I'm Tara 15:16 Mm-hmm. Sophie 15:17 fine, fine, I'll come over. Tara 15:17 I wanted to go to the Foley Bergere, but fine. Sophie 15:21 But no, exactly, exactly So she has to schlep all the way to Berlin. And but she's so I love how efficient she is about it. Like, yes, she's there to break this guy, but also she's here to hear Irina's German, and also she's here to think about like Well what if I leave Irina in the room with him for a minute? Like I wonder what will happen. I've already told her that she's too soft. Tara 15:40 Mm-hmm. Sophie 15:42 Like Tara 15:42 Yeah. Sophie 15:42 she would not shoot that lady cosmonaut in the head. Tara 15:45 Mm-hmm. Sarah 15:45 And she knows that I will do it, so she'll do what she has to do to try to save this guy's life, she tells herself. Sophie 15:47 Exactly, exactly, exactly. Right, right Sarah 15:52 But like, there's no ethical interrogation under communism, so Tara 15:57 Sure. Sophie 15:58 Right, right. Sarah 15:58 But it it it is interesting, and then she shows you enough wheels turning, but it's not like you see her on the other side of the door, like Sophie 16:02 Yep Sarah 16:05 twirling her imaginary mustache. Like she just Sophie 16:08 No. Sarah 16:08 sets it up, and then you watch Irina think about it. Sophie 16:11 Mm-hmm. Yeah. And and Irina is right in the sense that dousing this guy with scalding water is monstrous, but it will get the information out of him and also it's not being shot in the head. Tara 16:24 Mm-hmm. Dave 16:24 Yep. Tara 16:25 Small mercies, real Sophie 16:27 Exactly. Tara 16:27 small. Sarah 16:27 I know, as I'm always saying Sophie 16:28 Real small. Tara 16:31 Considering that Werner von Braun is the chief designer's NASA counterpart and also a Nazi, ex-Nazi, I guess, Korolev was a lot more sympathetic to me. What did everyone else think of him and of Rhys Ifans 's performance will go to Dave first for Welsh Solidarity. Dave 16:46 Sure. I thought he was very effective. He's there for the science. He's not there for the politics of it. He's obviously very passionate about his craft. And I like the character, he's he's got a a soft fed upness to him that plays very well. He is as angry as he can be while tiptoeing around everything. It is this very sort of soft simmering, not boiling anger to his character. And that lets some softness through when it comes to relations with his staff. When one of his astronauts is now famous and now has to do the publicity tour probably forever. He is very sympathetic to that and he's just like, well, you know, it's better than the alternative, which, you know, I'll just put that on the table. We'll just let that be. Tara 17:36 Sure. Mm-hmm. Also between him and Joanna Page on Taskmaster, Welsh accent really having a moment. Dave 17:42 Hm, yeah. Tara 17:45 I liked him too. Calling the cosmonauts my eagles was like oddly touching. Sophie 17:49 Mm-hmm. Tara 17:49 It reveals a lot about sort of what he got into this for and and what his feelings are in terms of protectiveness Dave 17:56 Yeah. Tara 17:57 toward the cosmonauts. Dave 17:57 And then in episode three, which we're not gonna be talking about today, you really see what his values are and what he's in the game for. Which I thought was great. Tara 18:06 Yep. Belakova who ends up being the first woman to walk on the moon so far has the most dynamic role. I last saw Alice Englert Speaking of range, playing the young Catherine de Murtoy in the stars prequel to Dangerous Liaisons. So this is Sophie 18:21 Wow. Tara 18:21 a very different role. Sophie 18:23 Yeah. Tara 18:24 I thought the miracle of this performance is that she out acts her terrible wig, but what did everyone else think, Sophie? Sophie 18:31 I really like her performance and arc in the episodes that follow these first two. I you know, I felt this irritation with her for getting selected for this mission. And then when she was finally on like you know, she's gutsy and she's on she's actually on the surface of the moon, things started to unlock for me a little bit with her. A little bit rough for me the first two episodes, but I I got fully on board. Dave 18:57 I thought her hair was just of just bad Soviet hair products and just looked that way. Tara 19:01 It could be. Sarah 19:02 Yeah. Tara 19:05 One has to wonder, what even do they have access to? Who knows? Dave 19:09 Yeah. Tara 19:09 She's also one of two second-generation showbiz kids in this production. Ruby Ashbourne Circus, who plays the music teacher, and Cosmonaut wife Tanya is Andy Circus's. daughter. Sarah 19:20 Sure Tara 19:20 And when I saw she was born in 1998, I was like, she looks real old. They did a good job aging her up to be from Soviet times, because I would not have guessed that. Sarah 19:25 Yeah. Yeah, when she was sort of crawling over the ceiling of the hotel room, you could really see the resemblance. Tara 19:30 But I, you know. Hmm. We've already talked a bit about Agnes O'Casey playing Irina Morozova A new recruit in the surveillance office. I for one appreciate seeing recapping represented on TV, because let's be real, that's what they're doing. But Sarah 19:48 Mm-hmm. Tara 19:49 Sarah, what were your thoughts about this? Dave 19:49 Yeah. Sarah 19:51 They did leave it to the professionals. Tara 19:53 Thank you. Sarah 19:54 as uh people who also interview industry professionals as part of our jobs, the um painstaking transcription process that uh we all used to endure before Rev. com It was giving me uh flashbacks, so not necessarily in a good way. Yeah, I felt a kinship with my co-host Dave looking at all this like mid-century Soviet office equipment. and just the rows of these covers that looked home sewn, but also were very beautiful for these typewriters. I didn't mind the three-tone production design because that's half of my office. Just, you know, not the Soviet versions. Sophie 20:35 It was very elegant in its way. Like the perfect symmetry of those two rows of of typists and the uniformity of their desks and the layouts and then like all the I mean, I just love office supplies, so Sarah 20:47 Yeah. And coming from uh Mad Men rewatch that I'm in the middle of Sophie 20:51 Right. Sarah 20:52 and just like the the difference between the lightness and color and that at this same in this same period to find anything that was not robin egg blue in housewares and women's wear was rather difficult. Like a lot of lotta blue and sea foam. And then there it's all just like soil. Dave 21:13 Yep. Sarah 21:13 So yeah. Dave 21:14 Uh just warning you Sophie, I just love office supplies is gonna make it to the soundboard. It's gonna Sarah 21:20 Mm-hmm. Sophie 21:20 Fantastic. Dave 21:20 Okay, great. Sophie 21:21 Fantastic. I'm honored, truly. Clip 21:28 New fangled stories on my electric Story box. Dave 21:33 Guys, I almost forgot. Clip 21:34 Let the wide stick give you the edge. Speed stick super dry antiperspirant. Dave 21:39 Star City. All right. Enough of that. It is now time for a round the dial. We're going to start with Tara. What have you been watching on TV recently? People need to know about bad. Tara 21:48 Well, it is a spectacular time to be a fan of panel shows. Taskmaster Original is winding up its 21st season Guy Montgomery's Guy Mont Spelling Bee Australia is back for season three. Taskmaster Australia is in season five. I think a lot of fans of all of these shows were excited for a sitcom called New Zealand Spy. from New Zealand Taskmasters assistant Paul Williams, although we in this house bailed after episode one, and by in this house I mean me Dave Pre bailed. And I don't think I would have finished the season premier if not for my love of Rose Matafeo Because New Zealand Spy was such a dud, I was a little nervous about Sam Campbell's new sitcom Make That Movie, which premiered last week. I did fly to England to see it. Dave did as well. I think we're both glad we did. Make That Movie is a mockumentary in which Sam Campbell plays Sam Campbell, director of movies like Funny Wedding. Every week an ordinary person writes in with their idea for a movie that they want him to make and Sam's team pulls together to do it. Unfortunately, for the podcast medium, a lot of the best jokes are visual, revolving around things like a big scab on the forehead of elderly camera operator Winnie, or a flash to Sam modeling for the brand that provided his outfit for a movie premiere or another runner for From the first episode that kept going so long. I was weeping while we watched it. I will not spoil it. There's another part where um he's trying to join a fancy country club and they're like, well, we of course will have to do a background check. And he pulls out his phone and shows the background Sarah 23:13 Oh no. Tara 23:15 Which is champagne, so I assume it works, but anyway. To give you a not too spoilery sense, here is the pitch for for the movie in the first episode from a guy named Mick Holt from Sherburndale. Let's hear the clip. Clip 23:28 What if there was a movie about a man and a woman who could turn into snakes? But only one of them is a snake at a time. They're never together as two humans or as two snakes. One of them is always a snake and they just swap around. What do you reckon? Let's make that movie. Tara 23:49 That takes us into the credits, which are so budge. I mean, you can hear a little bit of the panpipe theme song, but like the title treatment looks like it was from I'm gonna say nineteen eighty seven, maybe Dave 24:00 Yeah, it's got a very Windows movie maker kind of feel to it. Tara 24:04 Yes Yes. So what ends up happening is they come to town and they cast in the two leads the people that run mix father's old photocopy shop who are not actors and things go as well as you would think because also this is not a concept that the make that movie team has the time or budget to pull off with any competence When they have to, you know, get snakes to play the snakes, they're like, Well, which ones do you want? You have to pick. I don't know, can't we just get a bucket and then you see a bucket of snakes later? So You'll have to fly to England and see how things go, but Dave, you also watch Sarah 24:38 Oh. Tara 24:40 this show. Dave 24:40 Yeah, I I don't know if I would recommend it to anybody, not because I didn't think it was very funny, very, very funny at times, but it's such an acquired taste that I would Tara 24:48 Mm Dave 24:49 be hesitant to say you absolutely Tara 24:49 -hmm. Dave 24:51 must watch this. I think if you have crossed paths with Sam Campbell before, you know whether you want to watch this or not because the energy of this is very much the same energy he's been bringing to all the panel shows you've been talking about. Tara 25:01 Yes Dave 25:03 It's uneven. The first episode is really good. Overall, it was worth my time. So if you've enjoyed the antics of Sam Campbell, I think this will be more of that. And you will like it. And if you haven't enjoyed it, do not watch it. Tara 25:16 Yes. And if you want more of his antics and getting to do more stuff than he did on Tasmaster, which I th where I think he was pretty reserved. This season of Guy Montgomery's Guy Mont Spelling Bee Australia, where he is the new sort of assistant host, he has been completely insane Dave 25:28 Yeah. Yeah. Tara 25:33 from second one Dave 25:33 Yeah. No no disrespect to Aaron Chen, but upgrade. Tara 25:37 Who's also in make that movie, by the way, and very good. Dave 25:38 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tara 25:40 But yes, he's on another level in this season. For my plug, I talked about maximum pleasure guaranteed last week. And as promised, I did write about it for GQ and we will link that in the show notes. Dave 25:52 All right, Sophie, what do you got for us? Sophie 25:54 I got two, which are The Tower. Dave 25:55 All right. Sophie 25:57 There's three seasons of it. Ran from twenty twenty one to twenty four. Those are on Britbox and that is basically Noir f it's flirting with Noir. It's noir curious. British crime procedural about, you know, this something terrible happens on the tower, like this massive apartment tower block, and a police officer and a young, like, teenage girl fall from the top of that tower. And uh Gemma Whalen comes in and has to figure out like, well, why? Why were they there at all? Why did they fall? Did someone jump? Was someone pushed? Who can say? the person who can say is everyone who Gemma Whalen like just interrogates with abandon. It's really she is so dogged. She will just pursue the baddies even if they are, wait for it, some of her own colleagues. Um, I know! It's shocking. So I just really, really love an incredibly bleak crime procedural and I'm really language agnostic. Like I will also I love a straight up like Scandinavian noir As well. I recently watched Detective Hula starring um your most favorite actor, Dave, Joel Kinneman. Dave 27:05 Okay Sophie 27:07 So when I'm watching one of those I also need to alternate with something incredibly silly or heartwarming. And Deli Boys season two manages to do a lot more of the former, but also a little bit of the latter, which I appreciate about it. It is just the goofiest, these two like Absolute losers. Their father dies, they inherit his uh his corner store in Philadelphia. Sure, it's in Philadelphia. Definitely shot in Toronto or Chicago. You know, find themselves managing his massive cocaine dealing empire But of course they can't really do it without the assistance of their incredibly stylish and rather maniacal lucky auntie played by Porna Jagannathan, who is wonderful. Tara 27:51 The greatest Sarah 27:52 Of course. Sophie 27:52 Yeah. Yeah. So a strong recommend on for both of those completely different shows. Um and for my plug I write for a site called Televisions, which is, as you might expect, just all about like British TV. And they used to have a weekly podcast. Now they have relaunched it as a special rewatch. Where we are rewatching Downton Abbey, which is being rebroadcast in its entirety on PBS in their like Sunday ten PMslot. So it is really interesting to go back and rewatch that show. I had not rewatched any of it. Kept up by watching the films, but I hadn't gone back to rewatch any of the the regular seasons. And it's fascinating how like This show seemed to want to really like dig into class stuff between the upstairs and the downstairs in the first season, and they moved steadily and in some cases briskly away from that. Tara 28:44 Mm-hmm. Sophie 28:44 in uh in later seasons, but uh it's it's interesting to see like a slightly spikier iteration of of that show. Dave 28:52 Not the first time I've heard somebody say it has more teeth at the start than you would expect compared to where your you end up and what you think about the show nowadays. I where are you in Gilded Age? Sophie 29:04 I love that completely ridiculous show. Dave 29:07 Yeah. Sophie 29:07 Like it is In the Gilded Age I think suffers from Julian Fellow's like infatuation with the notion that the wealthy are actually doing a service to the people who work in their service Tara 29:19 Yeah. Dave 29:21 Yeah, I think it's a Sophie 29:22 by helping them, you know, they they're giving them employment that's meaningful. Dave 29:23 lot of people. Sophie 29:25 It adds, you know, that's how they find meaning in their lives without ever considering like Well would you find meaning in doing that work? Dave 29:32 Yeah. Sophie 29:33 Like rich person? Dave 29:34 It makes more sense when you realize he is 120 years old and that's just the way he was raised, you know? Sophie 29:38 Yes. Dave 29:39 Like I think that's he's such a throwback. Sophie 29:42 Yes, it's completely consistent with uh who he is as a person, but yeah, I think Gilded Age really benefits from having so much access to like every great Broadway. Dave 29:44 Yeah. Yeah Sophie 29:52 actor that they can just pluck out of uh off the streets of New York and put in in their show. But I don't know, Down has a a certain oomph that I I like. Just a just a tad more Dave 30:03 Yeah, I find that the difference is Americans doing the same thing as their British counterparts is somehow not quite as satisfying. There's something inherently better about posh people in Britain doing their posh things and putting their thumb over everybody else that doesn't quite play the same way in the Gilded Age. I love the Gilded Age too. We have wash parties for the Gilded Age, but there is I just like genetically something more satisfying about Downtown Sophie 30:29 Yes. Dave 30:30 Abbey Sophie 30:31 Yes. Dave 30:31 there. Sophie 30:31 Well it makes sense because, you know, th of course these poshi, posh posh British people would be putting like their thumb on the scale and their boot upon the neck. Like Americans sort of definitionally ought not to want to do that. Dave 30:43 Yeah, mm-hmm, but Sophie 30:45 And yet Dave 30:45 yeah. In theory Sophie 30:49 In theory, right. Theory, reality, etc. Dave 30:52 Anything else to plug there? Sophie 30:54 Oh, sure, yes. So um my friend Fania Suhu and I collaborated uh on a fun issue of our respective newsletters. Hers is called Whatever Never Mind. Mine is the aforementioned by Tara Tubasi Dames. And it is a roundup of nine new shows for eighties and nineties masterpiece and PBS kids. It's a lot of fun. Dave 31:13 Oh, nice. Sarah 31:17 Hello, I got a press release email for Netflix's new, like rapid response documentary series, Instadocs, last week and immediately rolled my eyes Yes, in theory, I agree that when you hear about a potentially excellent documentary and then you have to wait however many years for it to reach fruition. I agree that that's frustrating. Yes, Instadox comes from an impressive team, executive producers from projects like OJ Made in America and Killer Lies Chasing a True Crime Con Man, but We have properties already that, quote, tackle a wide range of gripping current events, crises, and cultural moments, while, quote, arriving at the height of the conversation. We call that the news. You don't have to reinvent the wheel or rename it. We're good. But with that said I decided to Dave Style, fold my arms, Dave 32:14 Right. Sarah 32:14 and watch the premiere, Alex Murdaw, Unconvicted. that premiered last Saturday, May thirtieth, and it's a solid enough first outing. It's a high profile case. The show understands that its likely audience will not need or sit through a painstaking review of the entire f file so it sticks to what's new in the case and why it matters. And InstaDox did come out quickly. As of the day it dropped, legal filings had been happening less than two weeks prior It gets good access. It's paced pretty well. I mean it's only half an hour, but there's still a little bit too much of the meditative dirt roads and sweet tea y'all shot comps from the low country in South Carolina And it's content to suggest meta conversations about true crime's influence on legal matters, probably because it doesn't have time. to underline them and therefore it can't get bogged down in that stuff. But if you don't know the case at all, this isn't a cheat sheet like catch-up property. It doesn't work. for that. It might do that in future iterations, I guess we'll see. But I was sort of positively impressed without thinking that you need to watch it. I do like that it exists. I've been saying for years that the culture should make more room for travel size narrative. Short stories, films, chat books, zines. I know Instadox is 100% click chasing, but I'm Fine with it. Do something new in a different container. Why not? For my plug, I did write a fuller review of this little property for paid subscribers to the Best Evidence newsletter, and you can find that or sign up at button down Dot com slash best evidence fyi. We'd love to see you. Dave 34:04 All right, here's what's coming up on our shows over the next week. This Friday, extra Extra Hot Great available to our club members. We'll be talking about Kate Fear, the Apple TV series based on the movie, based on a book. That is available, of course, to club members. If you are not a club member, please go to extrahotgreat.com/club for more info and to sign. Up and then everybody can come back here next week. EHG Prime will feature interview with the vampire season three, the one where he's a rock star and he's like and then he's like I want to suck blood And we're welcoming back Caroline Franke for that one. Tara 34:43 Mm-hmm Sarah 34:44 He's exactly like that. Dave 34:45 That's that's that's ac Sophie 34:45 David, do that do that one again. Dave 34:46 that that's accurate, right? Sophie 34:47 Do it again. Dave 34:48 You know? Sophie 34:49 I uh Dave 34:50 Suck some blood, yeah Sophie 34:50 Yeah Sarah 34:51 Startlingly good impression. Dave 34:53 I mean, we don't need to watch it now. I think I've recapped it pretty much perfectly. Sarah 34:56 Mm-hmm. Sophie 34:56 Basically, yeah. You just needed to like throw some audible glitter. And and that that's really the only thing remaining. Dave 35:03 So Sophie, this is a podcast. Sophie 35:05 Sorry. Dave 35:13 It is time for the Extra Hot Great cannon. She is back. It is Wendy. Thank you, Wendy. Here we go. Clip 35:21 I was a teenage girl in the 80s. Designing Women was a smart show that gave me something to think about and women to look up to. There are two Designing Women episodes that have stuck with me these many years later. The other one, Killing All the Right People, is already in the canon. This one is How Great Thou Art, Season two, Episode twenty It shows a variety of faith practices, which is realistic for a show set in the American South in the 80s. It allows people who are not Julia to be at the center of an argument. Highlighting Charlene and Bernice, neither of whom is considered smart. It gives us a different but believable perspective on Julia. who is terrified into silence at the thought of singing a solo in front of all those people. It tackles an issue that was widely in the culture at the time and gives a perspective that many people may not have been hearing. God I miss the monoculture. We hurt each other. It's funny Finally, there's the way Hal Holbrook looks at Dixie Carter as she sings. This is a fairly quiet episode that showcases the core cast plus Bernice and uses who they have already been established to be to examine this issue. Nothing big or dramatic happens, but we have a beautiful progression of Charlene becoming more and more sure of herself through the episode. If you believe Julia must have a rant for it to be a truly canonworthy episode, you will be disappointed. One of the l the glories of this episode is that Julia does not have a rant. yet lets Charlene and Bernice, the naive country girl and the dementia riddled senior, carry the weight of the argument. Julia does get a song. Word is the more conservative Dixie Carter had an agreement with Linda Blood-Thomason that for every liberal rant she did, she would get a song in a future episode. This one is a song episode. I think Carter sells Julia being intimidated by having the solo in this citywide church conference. and it gives us a different Julia than we usually see, a vulnerable Julia. The episode tackles an issue that was widely in the Christian religious culture at the time and gives a perspective that many people may not have been hearing. Again, I miss the monoculture. We heard other perspectives. This clip shows both the pastor's condescension and Bernice 's sudden clarity. This one-minute clip, I think, encapsulates the episode. Excuse me, Reverend, but this scripture you keep using, the one about the deacon has to be the husband of one wife Yes. Well, I'm sorry, but I don't understand how that rules out women being ministers. Well, what I think it means In lay terms, is that as soon as you can find a woman who's a man, she'll be eligible. Excuse me, but I don't think I caught your name at dinner. I'm Reverend Jim Nunn. How do you do? Bernice Clifton Now you're the one who thinks women shouldn't be singers. No, no, please. No, Reverend Nunn thinks women shouldn't be ministers. Oh, I see And that's why you were saying the deacon has to be the husband of one wife. Yes. I know that passage. My father was a preacher. If I'm not mistaken, it also says the deacon should manage his family well. So I guess that means he has to have children. Do you have children? Yes, I do. Lucky for you. This is a sitcom, and the episode is funny. There are quips and punchlines throughout The song is great, but even more is the way Hal Holbrook looks at Dixie Carter while she is singing. That had me in tears. Finally, this episode had a reach. My friend in a Southern Baptist seminary watched it in one of his classes when they talked about women in ministry. Southern Baptists have doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on the issue since then. But in the nineties, it was still a question they were discussing, and his professor used this episode as part of the discussion. A year or so ago, I was checking with my office administrator about the licensing of how great thou art. She said something about not encountering the song growing up. She asked me, Do you know where I first heard it? I immediately answered, Designing women? Indeed. It's a memorable episode. It may be Bernice's clearest moment. Jean Smart represents so many of us as Charlene, who doesn't understand why this is even an issue, and it's a great solo by Dixie Carter. I hope this is all enough for you to induct it into the Extra Hot Great canon. Tara 39:49 Thank you, Wendy. Sophie, what did you think of the episode and of Wendy's argument? Sophie 39:54 I really enjoyed the episode. I had watched Designing Women during its original run and just watching the opening credits sequence I felt this intense like rush of sense memories. Sarah 40:06 Mm-hmm. Sophie 40:06 Uh the and the episode as a whole I I found unexpectedly moving And I don't know if that is only because of the content. I think it actually probably has a little bit to do with the fact that Hacks, starring the great Gene Smart, uh just concluded its five-season run last week. I'm always gonna be susceptible to an episode of television where a woman, especially an underestimated woman like Bernice, gets the better of an incredibly smug man. The way they were able to mine humor from a situation that is not at all funny. It just spoke to me and there was something so wholesome and sweet about the pacing of the show. Like I have not watched a sitcom from the eighties in so long that I had forgotten that that is how we watched sitcoms all the time for so long was it felt like it felt felt very nostalgic But it also felt incredibly germane to the current moment that we are in. So yeah, no, I'm a I'm a yes for this one. Sarah 41:08 Yeah, this is a no for me, dog. I think this would have been uh an excellent tiny canon for like IRL spouses interacting within the universes that they're cast in. Because that look at the end really is something. But like, we're doing the whole number? I don't know. I'd heard that bargain of Dixie Carter's with the showrunner. that's of interest. I thought this was well performed. I didn't hate spending time with it, but it was very didactic. And then we saw like an entire hymn and it's just not for me. Granted, my mother's sister was a minister. She was a senior minister at Riverside Church in Manhattan. She was ordained when I was in the first grade. Like this was a non issue with my family. My friends in my hometown who were Jewish, they had a woman rabbi in like the late 70s. I understood that other parts of the Baptist conference were really struggling with this, but we were a UCC church and we didn't truck with it. But this show, I feel, overall has not aged very well. I think the point that it treated the concerns of American southerners of that time straightforwardly and with respect and without the um condescension or stereotyping of like some of the stuff from earlier in the 20th century, like the whatever Beverly Hillbillies that just was like everybody from this entire block of states and two time zones is a payseed. And I respect that it was important for that reason. A Dixie Carter rant is always fun. The great Gene Smart is amazing. It's nice to see her with all those bangles clacking and all the blush in Atlanta on These conversations were like done and dusted in my environment before I was even born. So this show does not have legs for me. Tara. Tara 43:10 Yeah, I finally finished my Mad About You rewatch, including the weird season from Spectrum. So I'm just barely into season two of designing women now. This was that was my next watch. And in fact, last night I watched Killing All the Wrong People and it was too sad to go to bed on, so I had to watch the next one, which was Bernice entering the Mrs. Senior Citizen beauty pageant. And uh that was the right choice. So anyway, I digress. I get Wendy's point and I agree that it's feels important when a show like this that's obviously from a very centrist liberal perspective Treats people of faith like seriously, doesn't treat them like they're dumb, doesn't mock them, doesn't even really mock the minister who's Sarah 43:55 Mm-hmm. Tara 43:59 clearly wrong in this. Like there's a lot they could have done to sort of tip the scales. They could have made him, you know, cast someone who looked different, who was more comical or whatever. look like more of a dope. But they don't. He just looks like a, you know, regular dad, I guess. We learn he is. But I disagree with Wendy that Charlene is supposed to not be smart. I think Charlene is smart. She's just like maybe naive. She's started definitely more Rose Nyland coded. Sophie 44:26 Mm-hmm. Tara 44:26 She had came from a family with like a million kids, so she has like a s an anecdote for every situation. And we hear about her earlier on, like, you know, well, it just went to my psychic and this or that, which, you know, but I think they sort of backed off that and that was the function that Bernice increasingly filled as they got further into the season, which was smart because Jean Smart is great and we don't want to see her being in that position. But what was crazy to me about this episode is first of all, it does not make sense for Julia's character that she would be this freaked out about the song Like I think if she was really that scared she would just not do it or ask them to pitch it down. Sarah 45:04 Yeah Tara 45:05 Like there were a lot of story things about that. Sarah 45:07 Ask them to pitch it down. Tara 45:09 It's not hard. You know, if this is supposed to be like Sarah 45:11 Yeah Tara 45:12 the traveling Wilburries of Southern Baptist choirs, like, you know, everyone should be able to handle it whatever it is, and if she doesn't want to do it, she doesn't have to do it. She'd just decline politely. But the other reason is that in a previous episode in season one, Charlene sings at a nightclub. Like she also sings and it would have made so much more sense if this was all her. If it was her Sarah 45:34 Mm-hmm Tara 45:35 going through this like journey of disappointment with her pastor, letting her down and making her feel second class to this triumphant moment of being, you know, asserting her faith. making all the great points that she makes in the argument about our great missionaries are women and so forth. So I just felt like from a construction perspective, that was a problem with this episode as well, because they could have just m made it more cogent. By doing that. Sarah 46:01 I'm also, now that we're talking about it from that perspective, I think I was expecting for most of the episode for Julia to step back and be like, well, here's my excuse for not doing it Tara 46:13 All right. Sarah 46:14 I agree with Charlene. And then it's like, well, even if they had like removed all these roadblocks, like, we'll pitch it down. We'll get you some backup. You can, you know, we won't put the camera on you. And then she would have to realize like what I really don't want to do is sell out Charlene by Tara 46:29 Sure. Sarah 46:30 giving my imprimature to this conference that says that women shouldn't be ministers. Like it doesn't exactly track with her character, I don't think, but Tara 46:38 Mm-hmm. And the other thing, sorry again to disagree with Wendy, but the whole how Help Holbrook looks at Dixie Carter while she's singing was So self indulgent. Dave 46:48 I am going to try to track it, but I am curious if I'm going to feel as cringy at anything else in the year 2026 as I felt in that moment. Sarah 46:49 Yeah Tara 46:50 Uh huh. It's so corny to like he doesn't even hit he doesn't appear in any other scene. Like they just made him hook his ass down to the soundstage. to sit and watch her do this and have no lines. Sarah 47:07 Mm-hmm. Tara 47:09 Like I don't even know who we got paid to be in this episode. I just thought that was very like I understand there are things you have to apparently do to assuage the ego of your conservative star But this is not it. I I felt embarrassed to be part of that moment. Dave 47:26 All right, let's make this official. Sophie, what say you for how great thou art? Sophie 47:33 I I say yes still Dave 47:35 All right. Tara 47:36 As the person who is most recently watching the show and will continue to do so, it's a no for me, but I will try to avenge you. by finding another episode that I think I convinced can convince Dave and Sarah to vote for. Dave 47:48 We'll see. Alright, sir, what do you think about this one? Sarah 47:51 Excellent presentation. I think you took the right angle, but this episode was not it. So no for me, I'm sorry. Dave 47:59 So, unfortunately, that means designing women Season 2, Episode 20, How Great Thou Art. You are hereby not inducted into the extra Hog Break In. Clip 48:17 Americans love a winner. Yeah. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave 48:23 Alright, it's time to discover our winner and loser of the week. Sarah has this week's winner. Sarah 48:28 I do. It's Anna Kendrick. She has been tapped to direct Netflix's adaptation of Taylor Jenkins Reads The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo. Reed also wrote Daisy Jones and the Six. And Kendrick also directed Woman of the Hour. which was based on the dating game killer and sort of like a slice of that experience. I was really knocked out by that movie, not just her direction, but she was in it and her performance in it was amazing. I feel like we don't talk about her as much as we used to, but I reviewed that for Best Evidence also, and we'll link that in the show notes. I am excited to see what she does here. Dave 49:07 And loser of the week, Tarry Ariano. Tara 49:09 Loser of the week is Jorge R. Gutierrez. He is a Emmy winner in the world of animation. He spoke out against AI and animation formerly and then last week it was announced he was going to be participating in A generated AI series at Amazon called Punky Duck was sort of defiant about it, was saying it's cause I want this to be artists leading the tech and not tech leading the artists. And I'm gonna leave com Dave 49:36 I w Tara 49:37 my replies open on Twitter. Dave 49:38 I worried about the integrity of Plucky Duck. Tara 49:41 Uh uh punky Dave 49:42 Plucky Duck. Tara 49:42 duck, but yes. Dave 49:44 Even better. Tara 49:44 So he was like, I'm leaving my comments open so I can all you know get it out of your system but don't make death threats against my family or whatever and then the next day it was like uh just kidding I'm leaving the project by Sarah 49:57 Chunky Fuck is no longer Tara 49:59 don't support death threats, obviously, but it was a very like, oh, I only went in there to get directions on how to get out of there and the ongoing existence of this Amazon fund is uh drawing more backlash from the animation community. So, you know, another wonderful win for the world of AI.Fuck you. Dave 50:19 Well, speaking about existing in a death threat free zone, do you know what time it is? Tara 50:25 It's game time. Sarah 50:25 Oh, speaking of Dave 50:25 Yeah, that's good. Tara 50:26 It's game time and I'm gonna kill you Sarah 50:26 Fuck you, it's game time. Dave 50:28 No, you're not. Sarah 50:32 I'll do it Dave 50:33 Mow boow meow meow just hugs Tara 50:37 I don't know, you've been going to bed pretty early lately. I could just sit on a pillow and you'd never know. Dave 50:42 Oh wait, hang on one sec. Now I gotta suck some blood. Alright, here we go Today we are playing screen sizes from John Connors. Oh, Tarz got one point. That's the season so far. Today we're playing screen sizes from John Connors, who earns himself an extra credit topic of his choosing, plus a free shirt. From our store at throughmethods.com. John writes, novels adapted for film are hardly rare, nor are novels adapted for TV. But sometimes a book gets adapted into both. In this game, players are given two actors' names, and those two actors have played the same character. One in a film, one in a TV show, both based on the same novel. So I'm gonna give you that information and then for three points you can provide me with the name of that character, the author of the book they're both from, and the title of the book or series they're both from. You only get one answer, so you have to figure out when you do that. But if I give you the actors, you're like, I can't do it yet, you can start asking for any of those three items. I will give you that and then the point just decreases after that. So whatever's still on the table, you can answer that. One point for each correct piece. Okay. Let's uh skip steel mills today. We'll go straight to PICCI to see who is going first. Clip 52:08 We will start with valued guest. Dave 52:10 All right, Sophie's in the hot seat. Then we're gonna go to Sarah, then Tara. Sophie 52:12 Oh boy Dave 52:15 27 questions. We're gonna do a Grosswirth Equalizer Challenge Zone right in the middle there somewhere. Are we ready to play screen sizes? Tara 52:23 Yes Sophie 52:24 Let's do this. Sarah 52:24 Yes Dave 52:25 All right, here we go. We're starting off With Sophie, your two actors, and these are in no particular order, I've randomized them, are Natasha Richardson And Elizabeth Moss. Both of those actors played the same character. Who's the character? What is the name of the novel and who wrote it? You can answer all three now or you can take a hint. Sophie 52:51 I'm definitely gonna ask for a hint because I can't answer it right now. Dave 52:54 Okay, so you can ask for the name of the character, the author of the book, or the title of the book. Sophie 52:57 Mm-hmm. Clip 52:59 Yeah, you're not Sophie 52:59 Mm-hmm. Clip 53:00 going to be able to do Dave 53:02 Any one of those, and then answer the other two Clip 53:02 it. Sophie 53:03 Yeah , hit me with a title. Dave 53:06 The title is The Handmaid's Tale, so we want to know the author and the character. Sophie 53:09 Oh, okay. Okay. Um, oh boy. Well the author is Margaret Atwood. Dave 53:15 You are correct. Sophie 53:17 And the character Dave 53:18 I will accept two answers here. Tara 53:19 I was gonna say Sophie 53:20 Yeah, um Sarah 53:20 Yeah. Sophie 53:22 off Glen Dave 53:24 Close, but not quite Sophie 53:24 No Dave 53:25 off red. Tara 53:26 A Fred Sophie 53:27 Off Red Dave 53:27 Yes, and or June. Tara 53:30 June Dave 53:30 We could have accepted Sophie 53:30 Or June, yeah. Clip 53:30 And Tara 53:30 Osborne Clip 53:30 don't let Sophie 53:31 I had no Clip 53:31 it correct. Sophie 53:32 having not watched the show Dave 53:33 It's pretty funny. Tara 53:35 Yeah, it's a left riot. Dave 53:36 Yeah. Sophie 53:37 MindBank, yes. Sarah 53:37 Yeah. Sophie 53:38 I I've read the book several times Dave 53:39 It's what happens when people denied the designing women canon Sophie 53:39 and Dave 53:43 entry into the canon. Sophie 53:43 Right. Dave 53:44 This is the next step. Tara 53:45 Oh no Dave 53:46 That's right. So smart enough you three Tara 53:48 shit Dave 53:49 Okay. Sarah D Mutting Gary Sarah 53:52 Yes Dave 53:53 Oldman Alec Guinness Genuine Class Clip 53:55 I 'm gonna cover a couple of ring ball I have. Dave 53:58 Gary Ullman, Alec Guinness Clip 53:59 I want to go with Dave 54:00 both played the same character in a TV Clip 54:01 it. I want to go. Dave 54:03 show or miniseries or something like that. Sarah 54:06 Oh my God. Um uh Fuck. I Can I have the title, please? Dave 54:17 The title is Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy. Sarah 54:21 Oh, okay. Well I'm glad I didn't guess what I was going to guess. Who wrote that shit? Is that John Le Care? Dave 54:30 Yeah, it is. Do you know the character? Seems like a happy fellow. Sarah 54:35 George Clip 54:37 And Sarah 54:37 Uh Clip 54:38 we Sarah 54:38 something that starts with an S. Clip 54:38 play it, and what does it go out? Sarah 54:40 George Smart! I don't know. Tara 54:41 Ooh Dave 54:42 Seems like a happy fellow because his name is George Smiley. Tara 54:44 George Smiley Sarah 54:45 Yes! Fuck! Alright, well, one point. Dave 54:48 All right, Tara. Tara 54:49 What if it was Jackson Lamb? Just let's just take a minute to imagine Alec Guinness laying down some huge farts. Clip 54:58 I have one Dave 54:58 Feel the force, Luke. Clip 54:59 monitor and over Dave 55:01 Alright. Kate Winslit, Tara. Clip 55:02 and go Sarah 55:02 Ew Sophie 55:02 Yeah Tara 55:03 Yeah. Clip 55:03 and go Dave 55:03 Joan Crawford Clip 55:04 and bow Tara 55:05 Uh, Mildred Pierce Clip 55:06 and gold monitor. Dave 55:07 Yes, in Tara 55:09 Mildred Pierce Dave 55:10 yeah, uh huh, author Tara 55:12 and the oh Fuck, who is the author? Is it Daphne DeMaurier? Shit Sarah 55:17 Good Dave 55:17 James Sarah 55:18 guess. Dave 55:18 M. Kane. Tara 55:19 Oh, I was way off. Sophie 55:20 Shh, sure. Dave 55:23 One letter short of being a cake magnate Tara 55:27 Hmm. Dave 55:27 All right, back to Sophie. You've got Keira Knightley and Jennifer Elhe. Sophie 55:34 It's Ely, yes, who will um Dave 55:35 Sorry. Sophie 55:37 make a glorious appearance in The Vampire Lestat. That they are playing Elizabeth Bennett in Pride and Prejudice, written by Jane Austen. Dave 55:43 You are correct. Yes, full three points. Tara 55:46 Love to see it Dave 55:46 Nicely done. Sarah 55:47 Nice Dave 55:47 Alright, we'll do that third ding. Nicely done, Sarah D. Bunting. You've got Anthony Michael Hall and Christopher Walken. Clip 55:52 Yeah. Tara 55:53 , Sarah 55:56 Okay, it's the Dead Zone by Stephen King The character's name is Johnny, and that's all I got Dave 56:07 I'm gonna give that to you Tara 56:09 Yeah. Dave 56:09 because John Robert Johnny Smith is the answer. So I think if you got the Johnny part, you're good. Tara 56:13 Smith Dave 56:14 That's what he was known Sarah 56:15 Thank you. Dave 56:15 as. Nicely done. Sarah 56:16 I appreciate that. Dave 56:16 There's a sweep for you, Tara. Tara 56:18 Yes. Dave 56:18 Jake Gyllenhall, everybody's favorite caveman looking actor, and Harrison Ford. Sarah 56:25 Huh. Tara 56:26 Oh, um presumed innocent. Dave 56:28 You 're correct. Sarah 56:29 Nice Dave 56:31 Character and author on the table. Tara 56:34 Is the author Scott Turow? Dave 56:36 Yes, two Sarah 56:37 Yeah, it is. Dave 56:37 points Tara 56:38 I don't remember the character name. Dave 56:41 Rusty Savage. Tara 56:42 Sure. Dave 56:43 Yep. Tara 56:44 We are all tied up, you guys Sarah 56:44 I never would have gotten that. Dave 56:45 Nicely done. Sarah 56:46 Yeah. Dave 56:46 Alright. Good job. Alright, Sophie. Sophie 56:49 Yes Dave 56:50 Basil Rathbone Sophie 56:51 Mm-hmm. Dave 56:52 and Benedict Cumberbatch, aka Sophie 56:54 Mm-hmm. Dave 56:54 Cinnamon Toast and Crunch. Sophie 56:58 Uh, they both played Sherlock Holmes. Dave 57:00 Yes. Sophie 57:01 in the Sherlock Holmes Mysteries or just Dave 57:04 Yep. Sophie 57:04 Sherlock, uh, by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle Dave 57:05 Mm-hmm. That's correct. Although apparently you can't call them sir after they die. Tara 57:11 Really? Dave 57:11 Yeah, Sophie 57:12 Really? Dave 57:12 the sir title goes away when you die. Tara 57:12 Hmm. Sophie 57:13 Oh, interesting. Tara 57:14 Hmm. Dave 57:14 I read that somewhere. Now I'm worried it's not true and I'm gonna look like an idiot, but here we go. Tara 57:15 Hmm. Sarah 57:18 So it's Alfred some guy, Tennyson, or is it only Sir Dave 57:20 That's right. No, no, no, it's anywhere. Sarah 57:22 and not Lord? Dave 57:23 Sarah D. Bunting. Louise Fletcher, Sarah Paulson Sarah 57:28 Oh, um that's Nurse Ratchet in uh one flew over the cuckoo's nest Dave 57:35 Yep, that's the source. Sarah 57:36 by Ken Keesy Dave 57:37 Yes, nicely done. Sophie 57:39 Nice Tara 57:39 Gorgeous. Dave 57:39 Three points. Back to Tara. Sarah 57:40 Good Tara 57:41 Yes. Dave 57:41 James McAvoy. Clip 57:43 I Dave 57:43 Daniel Craig. Tara 57:43 Mm-hmm. Clip 57:43 want to go with that bull. I want Dave 57:45 Good luck. Clip 57:45 to hit the work. I want to go. Sarah 57:47 rude Dave 57:48 Hmm. Tara 57:50 What's the title? Clip 57:50 I want to go Dave 57:51 Two titles here I'll give ya. Clip 57:51 with that bull. I want to hit the work Tara 57:53 Sure Dave 57:53 I think the actual title is Golden Compass. The actual particular ones, this is the Dark Material series. Tara 57:57 Oh Sophie 57:58 Oh Tara 57:59 right, right, right. Dave 58:01 Sorry, his Dark Material series. Tara 58:03 I don't know that author and I don't know the sh character. Dave 58:06 Yeah, okay. Tara 58:07 Sorry Dave 58:08 We were looking for anybody to know? Sophie 58:10 Lord Azrael Dave 58:10 No. Sophie 58:11 and uh it's Philip Pullman. Dave 58:13 Yes, nicely done. Sarah 58:14 Oh yeah, okay. Dave 58:15 All right, here's your actual question, Sophie. We got Jim Carrey, Neil Patrick Harris, both played the same character. Shared source material on the written page. Written by somebody. Sophie 58:26 Wow. By a person. Um, hmm. I will take the title of the book or series Dave 58:34 It is called a series of unfortunate events. Sophie 58:37 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. So they both played Count Olaf, um, and the author of the book is Lemony Snicket. Dave 58:43 You are correct for two points. Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 58:47 Yes. Dave 58:47 You've got Maya Hawk, Hockey, and Shersha Clip 58:50 Yeah. Dave 58:52 Ronan. Clip 58:52 What does he call Sarah 58:53 Yeah. Do I Clip 58:56 the Sarah 58:56 though? Could I have the could I have the title of the book or series, please? Clip 58:58 colour? Dave 59:00 Sure, we are talking about little women. Sarah 59:05 Okay, well that's Louisa May Alcott, I'll take that one. Dave 59:09 The character is. Rolling the bones here, I'm gonna guess. Sarah 59:13 Yeah. Tara 59:13 Does it help if I do the meme Sarah 59:14 Um Tara 59:15 women? Dave 59:15 Can we give you the last name Clip 59:16 Because I'm mad out Dave 59:17 to help you jog your memory? Clip 59:17 cut a both red both and bombing Sarah 59:20 That's cute. Dave 59:20 Yeah, thanks. Clip 59:21 out and Sarah 59:21 Come here, I want to tell you something. Clip 59:21 those light Dave 59:21 I know that much Clip 59:22 and wonderful. Sarah 59:23 Uh could I have the first actor again, please? Clip 59:24 Because I'm mad again. Dave 59:25 Amaya Hawk. Tara 59:27 And Search Ronin Dave 59:28 Shirsharonan. Sarah 59:29 Oh, Hawk Dave 59:30 Hawk. Sarah 59:31 Hack Dave 59:32 Hawk Sarah 59:32 I know, yeah, that's Dave 59:33 E. We're spelling with an E Sarah 59:36 I don't I don't pfft know which one she was. Dave 59:39 Throw one out there. Sarah 59:41 Beth! Dave 59:42 We're looking for Joe, Joe. Sarah 59:45 Oh, okay. Dave 59:46 Yeah. Sarah 59:46 As long as it wasn't that bitch AB, but I'll take the point. Dave 59:49 Tara Tara 59:49 Yeah. Dave 59:50 Lily James Audrey Hepburn Clip 59:54 I want to call the Tara 59:54 Title Dave 59:55 Title is War and Peace Tara 59:59 Okay. Sarah 59:59 Wow. Tara 01:00:00 Well, that's Leo Tolstoy Sophie 01:00:00 Yikes. Dave 01:00:02 Hello. Yeah, Uncle Leo Tara 01:00:06 Uh I don't know the character. Dave 01:00:08 Natasha Rostova. Tara 01:00:10 Okay. Dave 01:00:11 So you got one point. Back to Sophie. We've got for you Matt Damon and Andrew Scott. Sophie 01:00:18 They both play Tom Ripley and the talented Mr. Ripley by oh boy Dave 01:00:24 Menon. Sophie 01:00:24 Patricia Highsmith Dave 01:00:25 Yes, three points. Tara 01:00:26 Nice. Sarah 01:00:26 Nice Dave 01:00:27 Nicely done. Bing bang. Boom. Sophie 01:00:28 Thank you. Dave 01:00:28 Sarah. Warwick Davis and together Clip 01:00:32 The low point Dave 01:00:33 Eddie Izzard and Simon Pegg, apparently. Clip 01:00:33 I want. I want to Dave 01:00:37 Those are your clues. Clip 01:00:38 come Tara 01:00:38 Why not? Clip 01:00:39 back Dave 01:00:39 One from TV, one from the movies, playing the same character from the same source Clip 01:00:39 out. Sarah 01:00:40 Yeah Sophie 01:00:40 Yeah. Clip 01:00:40 Oh Dave 01:00:43 by the same author. Sarah 01:00:45 Um, and how wonderful for all three of them. Could I have the title of the book, please? Dave 01:00:49 This is the Narnia series. Sarah 01:00:52 Okay, um CS Lewis. Dave 01:00:56 Mm-hmm. Sarah 01:00:58 Um the Lion The loin? Dave 01:01:04 No. Tara 01:01:07 Call back. Sarah 01:01:07 Thank you. Tara 01:01:08 Now you can't cut it Dave 01:01:08 No, I can't cut it. Fuck. Fuck you, sir Anybody know it? Tara 01:01:13 No. Dave 01:01:13 This is Sophie 01:01:14 No. Tara 01:01:14 I never read those books. Dave 01:01:14 repo cheap? Repeat Sophie 01:01:18 Beepy cheep. Dave 01:01:18 cheap? Sophie 01:01:18 Beepy Dave 01:01:19 Repeat cheap, okay. Sophie 01:01:19 cheep. Sarah 01:01:20 I don't I never read any of those Dave 01:01:22 Is Reapy Cheap like a little little character or something? Sophie 01:01:24 He's a I think he's a little mouse guy. Dave 01:01:26 Okay, alright. Sarah 01:01:27 Okay, sure. Dave 01:01:27 Okay. Don't know why we need two people. Sophie 01:01:29 Eve even if you don't ever want to read those books, there is an amazing Sarah 01:01:30 No Sophie 01:01:34 one-shot story on archive of our own that is Anthony Bourdain, like no reservations, goes to Narnia. It is incredible. Sarah 01:01:46 So it's awesome. Tara 01:01:46 Sophie, will you please put a link to that in the doc Dave 01:01:47 Wow. Sarah 01:01:48 Love it. Tara 01:01:49 so we can put it in the show notes? Sophie 01:01:50 Absolutely Tara 01:01:51 Because that feels very important. Dave 01:01:52 Nice. Sophie 01:01:52 Absolutely. Sarah 01:01:53 Yes, it does. Sophie 01:01:54 It is a very important cultural artifact. It's oh my god, it's incredible. Yes, I'll be happily leave a link. Dave 01:02:00 Very good. Tara, take us into our scorebreak. Christopher Lee, Jonathan Rhys Myers. Tara 01:02:07 Dracula? Dave 01:02:09 Wait. Okay. Tara 01:02:11 Um Dave 01:02:11 Character? Tara 01:02:13 Dracula Dave 01:02:14 Uh okay, but what's his honorific? Tara 01:02:17 Count Dracula. Dave 01:02:17 Yeah, I count Dracula. Alright, few. Tara 01:02:20 And the author Sarah 01:02:20 Jesus. Tara 01:02:23 It's not LaRue, that's Phantom of the Opera. Freehand in case that comes up in the future. I can't remember. Dave 01:02:30 Seriously? Tara 01:02:31 I seriously can't. Dave 01:02:32 Okay, I'm gonna bing you on this one, but before Sarah 01:02:35 Can I get a Dave Dave 01:02:35 Sarah Sarah 01:02:36 point if I do it in Menon Dave 01:02:37 Yeah Sarah 01:02:37 style? Bram Stoker Tara 01:02:40 Ah god Dave 01:02:41 Francis Ford Tara 01:02:42 damn it. Dave 01:02:43 Coppola Tara 01:02:43 Stupid. Dave 01:02:43 presents Bram Stoker presents Tara 01:02:44 If you had said Gary Sophie 01:02:44 I'm so Tara 01:02:45 Oldman, I would have gotten it. Sophie 01:02:45 good. Dave 01:02:45 Dracula. Yeah. Tara 01:02:47 What a dummy. Dave 01:02:47 Alright. We are over halfway done. Sarah 01:02:49 Blue. Dave 01:02:50 Let's get the scores. Tara 01:02:51 Okay, I am in last place with seven. Sarah D. Bunting has nine. Sophie killing the game. Dave 01:02:57 Nice. Tara 01:02:57 Twelve points. Dave 01:02:58 Excellent. Sarah 01:02:58 Yeah Dave 01:02:58 Alright. Wow. So it doesn't happen that often. Tara Ariano, you were in the Grosswirth Equalizer Challenge, huh? Tara 01:03:04 No, no, no. Dave 01:03:12 Pick a number, one to six. Tara 01:03:14 Four Clip 01:03:14 Control about Dave 01:03:15 All right, you have chosen Trivial Pursuit Totally 80s. Clip 01:03:15 because I want to cover the table the green ball. Sophie 01:03:20 Oh, yeah. Dave 01:03:20 I will read you six TV questions from Clip 01:03:22 I cut down because I know Tara 01:03:23 Dallas. Yes, go on. Dave 01:03:24 Yeah. Alright. If any of them are Dallas, I'm gonna give you the automatic point, okay? Tara 01:03:29 Okay. Dave 01:03:29 All right. Tara 01:03:30 No, you don't have to do that. Dave 01:03:31 If you get three, I'm gonna give you uh two points. Tara 01:03:35 Okay. Dave 01:03:36 And if you sweep it, I'm gonna give you four. Tara 01:03:37 Okay Dave 01:03:38 Which loveboat character was surprised to find he had a love child named Vicky? Tara 01:03:44 Doc. He's playing the odds. Dave 01:03:47 Captain Stubing, yeah. Tara 01:03:48 Oh. Dave 01:03:49 That's fine. Sophie 01:03:50 I wanted it to be tattoo. Tara 01:03:51 That's fantasy island. Sophie 01:03:52 The Santa Claud! Dave 01:03:54 Yeah. Sophie 01:03:54 Ha ha ha ha ha! Dave 01:03:54 But that's how they got there. Sophie 01:03:54 Incredible! Dave 01:03:55 The love boat dropped people off of Fantase Tara 01:03:57 That's right. Sarah 01:03:57 Mm-hmm. Sophie 01:03:57 There Dave 01:03:57 Island Sophie 01:03:58 you go. Dave 01:04:00 What show featured bailiffs named Selma Hacker, Florence Clip 01:04:01 Okay, do a book, Ringbow and I the Bombani. Dave 01:04:04 Kleiner, and Roz Russell My court is correct. Alright. You only need two more. What was the name of the classified time Clip 01:04:11 Oh, yeah. Dave 01:04:13 travel project supervised by Sam Beckett? Tara 01:04:16 Ugh. We watched so much of that show and I don't remember. Dave 01:04:19 Wow. Tara 01:04:20 I don't recall. Dave 01:04:21 Really? Tara 01:04:22 We really don't. Dave 01:04:23 Bloo. That is anybody? Quantum leap Tara 01:04:27 Oh the show Sarah 01:04:28 No Tara 01:04:28 wait. Dave 01:04:29 That's the project and the show. Sarah 01:04:29 , Tara 01:04:30 Oh, I thought the sh Dave 01:04:30 Same thing. Quantum leap. Tara 01:04:32 I thought the project had a different name. Dave 01:04:33 Yeah, you've Tara 01:04:33 Okay, shit. Dave 01:04:35 fourth question coming at you, you need two of these three to get your three points. Tara 01:04:38 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:04:39 What were the Olsen twins the only kids not to do at their audition, winning them a full house gig? Correct, yes. Alright, you need one of these last two Oh, so close, Tara, so close. What nighttime soap follow Dallas on Friday nights for much of the eighties Tara 01:04:58 Not standing. Fuck Dave 01:05:00 Falcon Sophie 01:05:01 Was it Dave 01:05:01 Crest Sophie 01:05:02 Falcon Crest, yeah? Tara 01:05:02 God. Falcon Cruz was on CBS? Clip 01:05:04 And we both play it and all does it go. Tara 01:05:06 Hmm. I always thought it was ABC. Sarah 01:05:07 Wow. Dave 01:05:07 Alright, so you need this one, your last question, to get you three points. Tara 01:05:08 Mm-hmm Okay. Yep Dave 01:05:11 What Sesame Street superhero was always armed with carrots and celery? Clip 01:05:12 And we'll play it and all does it go. Okay. Dave 01:05:17 Never heard of this character before Tara 01:05:19 Oh no, well then it's not Super Grover. That's the only one I could think of. I don't know. Dave 01:05:24 Anybody know? Apparently there was a Sesame Street character called Captain Vegetable Clip 01:05:26 I want to go with it. A control cause I want to cut a candle Tara 01:05:30 Okay. Dave 01:05:31 All right, well, no points for you, Tara. Sophie 01:05:31 Sure. Okay. Clip 01:05:33 because Dave 01:05:33 Sorry. Clip 01:05:33 I want to cut Tara 01:05:33 Damn Sarah 01:05:34 Jeez Dave 01:05:34 Let's get back to the game. Clip 01:05:34 and go back. I want to Dave 01:05:35 Sophie, you're back up. Clip 01:05:36 cover a control. Dave 01:05:37 We've got Alan Richtson and Tom Cruise. Both played the same character from the same source material. We need the author, the character, and the book title or series title. Sophie 01:05:52 Can you give me the character? Dave 01:05:54 Yeah, I'm no longer accepting book titles as hints, so thank you. There we go. You have to ask for one of the other ones. That's just the way it's gonna roll from now on. Sophie 01:06:00 Oh, all right. Okay. Dave 01:06:02 Alright, so you asked for Tara 01:06:04 The character. Dave 01:06:05 Jack Reacher. Sophie 01:06:06 Oh, okay. Um Dave 01:06:09 Title and author place. I mean, I made a big to-do out of it, but she found a way around it. Clip 01:06:12 Well, Tara 01:06:15 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:06:16 With her sharp legal TVmind. Sophie 01:06:19 That's definitely me. Um Dave 01:06:22 Can I just say you're the most relaxed guest we've ever had? She's literally lying on her bed right now doing this podcast, and I am impressed. Sophie 01:06:29 I I am Well n n now that all of the like, you know, really intense opinion giving is over, I Tara 01:06:37 Right. Sophie 01:06:37 now it's just trivia, which as Sarah and Tara know is one of my favorite things in the world. So Dave 01:06:42 I I envy you. I'm on a microphone. I can't I can't just hang out with a headset. Clip 01:06:45 It was a cool Dave 01:06:47 If I could I would. Sophie 01:06:47 Yeah. Tara 01:06:48 We have one in here, you could Dave 01:06:50 To rewind. Sophie 01:06:50 All right. Uh Dave 01:06:51 We just said Jack Reacher Sophie 01:06:53 Jack Reacher. Um Dave 01:06:55 So take a stab at the book series, name. Sophie 01:06:57 So the problem is, I thought that I knew who that was, and now I'm not convinced. Um, is it just Reacher? Dave 01:07:03 Yeah, that's fine. Sophie 01:07:04 Yeah, yeah. Dave 01:07:05 Jack Reacher series, Reacher series. Yep. Sophie 01:07:07 Yeah. Sarah 01:07:07 There are seriously forty books, and they're all in my fucking house right now. Dan. Leave him at the airport, God Dave 01:07:15 All right. And who wrote them? And I'm gonna say this sounds like a really impressive feat. Very young author. Sophie 01:07:25 Now I can only say babyface, which I know is not the correct answer. Dave 01:07:30 I'm saying you're not that far off. Sophie 01:07:32 Would it be great if Kenneth Edmonds like Babyface Edmonds had written these books? Sarah 01:07:36 I Tara 01:07:36 Yes. Sarah 01:07:36 know Sophie 01:07:37 I would be so happy. Sarah 01:07:37 so many talents, that one Sophie 01:07:39 Yeah. Dave 01:07:39 All right, Sarah, who's the author? Sarah 01:07:42 Lee Childs. Dave 01:07:42 Lee Tara 01:07:43 Play Dave 01:07:43 Child, yes. Sophie 01:07:43 Oh, okay. Tara 01:07:43 child Clip 01:07:44 I managed Sophie 01:07:44 Yeah. Clip 01:07:45 to Dave 01:07:45 All right, Sarah, this is question seventeen. Clip 01:07:46 bring bull and I have bumped. Sarah 01:07:47 Oh, it's Clip 01:07:47 I want to go Sarah 01:07:48 pretty eagle. Clip 01:07:48 and Dave 01:07:49 Your two actors are Oscar Isaac Clip 01:07:50 go and cut. Dave 01:07:51 William Hurt. Ow. And just to remind you, you can either ask for the author or the character, but not the title. Sophie 01:07:56 Yeah. Dave 01:08:00 Because I'm a big meanie. Sarah 01:08:00 Who did they both? Dave 01:08:03 Oscar Isaac and William Hurt. Sarah 01:08:04 Oh Yeah, I can't I don't know why, but I can't. So could I get the character name? Dave 01:08:10 The character name is Duke Leto Atreides Sarah 01:08:15 I'll take the author. Dave 01:08:16 Frank Herbert Sarah 01:08:18 Dune? Dave 01:08:19 Dune is correct for one point, yes. Tara Sarah 01:08:22 God, that was painful. Tara 01:08:23 Yeah Dave 01:08:23 Second appearance of Mr. Harrison Ford. What the Fuck is this in the hair twice? Everybody else is gonna be here. Harrison Ford and Justin Theroux Tara 01:08:30 That's the Mosquito Coast. The book is Oh, that is the book and the show. The characterrrr Al Allie? Allie Fox? Dave 01:08:43 Yes, bye. Sarah 01:08:44 Nice Sophie 01:08:44 Wow. Tara 01:08:44 Um last name is Theroo Dave 01:08:47 Yeah. I'm gonna give you that. That's fine. Tara 01:08:49 Okay. Dave 01:08:50 Paul Tara 01:08:51 Paul, okay. Dave 01:08:51 threw. Yeah. Sarah 01:08:52 Oh. Dave 01:08:52 Which is his father, grandfather Tara 01:08:54 His uncle, I think. Dave 01:08:55 Uncle, okay. Keeping it in the family. Tara 01:08:58 Yeah Dave 01:08:58 Sounds like nepotism to me. This is question. For Sophie, and we're bringing back Tom Cruise, pairing him with Sam Reed. Sophie 01:09:14 Oh, they've both played the Vampire Lestat Dave 01:09:17 In. Sophie 01:09:17 uh in Interview with a Vampire Dave 01:09:19 Yeah, we'll accept that. Sophie 01:09:20 by Anne Rice. Dave 01:09:21 Yes, three points Sarah 01:09:23 Nice Sophie 01:09:24 Thank you. Dave 01:09:25 Sarah D. Bunting, Guy Pierce , and George C. Scott. Ah, my groin! That one. Sarah 01:09:37 Jesus Christ. Uh Tara 01:09:40 That's a tiny canon. You should put that on your list. Dave 01:09:42 Oh my god, yeah. Tara 01:09:43 Football in the groin. Dave 01:09:44 Yeah, I'm writing that down right now. Sarah 01:09:44 Guy Pierce Dave 01:09:46 Football. Sarah 01:09:46 and George C. Scott Dave 01:09:48 Him of a Sarah 01:09:51 in Dave 01:09:52 groin Sarah 01:09:54 Oh, Fuck Tara 01:09:54 It's not football on the groin, Sarah. Don't answer bad. Sarah 01:09:57 No, I I figured that. Dave 01:09:57 All right, once again, you've got Guy Pierce, ow, and George C. Scott, football on the groin, ow. You can ask for a hint. I can give you the author or the name of the character they both played. Sarah 01:10:10 I'm gonna try the character. Dave 01:10:12 Alright, the character is Ebenezer Scrooge. Good luck with the rest of this. Sarah 01:10:21 Okay. Um uh why do I want to say a Christmas story? That's ridiculous. Dave 01:10:28 You shoot your eye out, Ebenezer. Tara 01:10:30 Where's also a book? Sarah 01:10:32 Charles Dickens. Dave 01:10:33 Charles Dickens, yes, we'll give you that. Sarah 01:10:35 Thank you. Um, what the Fuck is the actual name of it Dave 01:10:39 Oh boy. Sarah 01:10:40 Yeah, I don't I know. Tiny Tim's Tiny Toons Dave 01:10:47 Yeah, yeah. Sarah 01:10:47 Christmas. I d if it's not a Christmas story, I don't actually remember the title. Dave 01:10:50 Oh Tara 01:10:51 Oh Dave 01:10:51 no. Tara 01:10:51 my God, it's your Bram Sarah 01:10:51 I'm sorry. Dave 01:10:52 Wow Tara 01:10:53 Stoker moment Sarah 01:10:54 Can I pull Martin Chuzzlewit? Sure can. Do I remember this? Dave 01:10:57 All right, what is it? Sarah 01:10:58 No. Dave 01:10:58 Let the let Sarah know. Tara 01:10:59 A Christmas Carol. Sarah 01:10:59 Shame Sophie 01:11:00 It's a Christmas Sarah 01:11:00 me. Clip 01:11:00 I'm Dave 01:11:00 Christmas Sophie 01:11:01 Carol. Dave 01:11:01 Carol. Sarah 01:11:02 Oh, Carol. Well Dave 01:11:03 Carol. Sarah 01:11:03 Fuck her. Dave 01:11:04 Tara. Tara 01:11:05 Yeah Dave 01:11:06 Morphiv Clark. Morphiv Tara 01:11:09 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:11:10 Clark. Tara 01:11:10 Yep. Dave 01:11:10 Cate Blanchett. Tara 01:11:12 Okay, uh it's the Lord of the Rings. Dave 01:11:15 Yeah. Bye. Tara 01:11:17 J. R. R. Tolkien Dave 01:11:20 And they played Tara 01:11:22 It's not our win. I don't know any of the other bitches in that movie. Sorry. I've never seen it. And I never will. Sophie 01:11:29 Wow. Sarah 01:11:30 Murgan Chuzzlewit. Sophie 01:11:30 Wow Tara 01:11:31 Who is it? Dave 01:11:32 Sophie, do you know who it is? Sophie 01:11:33 It's caladrial. Dave 01:11:34 Galadriel is correct. Tara 01:11:34 Oh, thank you. I have heard that before. Dave 01:11:36 Yes. You got two points Tara 01:11:37 Okay Dave 01:11:38 All right, this one is to Sophie. You have Billy Bob Thornton and Kyle Chandler. Sophie 01:11:45 Oh, they both played Coach Eric Taylor in Friday Night Lights Dave 01:11:50 Bye. Sophie 01:11:51 by famed Philadelphia sports writer Buzz Bissinger. Dave 01:11:53 Yes, three points, nicely done. Sarah 01:11:54 No. Tara 01:11:54 And shopping addict Sarah 01:11:55 Oh, that's what he's famed for. Thanks. Dave 01:11:58 Sarah, Donald Sutherland Sarah 01:11:59 Leather. Yeah Dave 01:12:01 and Alan Alda. Donald Sutherland, Alan Alda Sarah 01:12:07 Okay, that's Mash Dave 01:12:10 Okay. Uh I'm gonna give it to you, but do you have any idea what the full title of that novel was? Clip 01:12:16 I want to go Sarah 01:12:17 Aftermash? Clip 01:12:17 with every play. Dave 01:12:18 No Tara 01:12:18 It's like something Clip 01:12:18 I want Sarah 01:12:18 No, I don't. Clip 01:12:18 to get a work. Sophie 01:12:19 Mm-hmm. Tara 01:12:19 something of an army doctor. They talked about it on overdue and I don't remember. Sarah 01:12:21 Oh, right, okay. Tara 01:12:23 It was not even Clip 01:12:24 I want Tara 01:12:24 lot Clip 01:12:24 to go Tara 01:12:24 long ago Clip 01:12:24 with Tara 01:12:25 either Clip 01:12:25 it. I want Dave 01:12:26 Mash, a novel about three army doctors, is the full title. Clip 01:12:26 to get a work Tara 01:12:28 That's it. Sarah 01:12:29 Okay. Dave 01:12:29 Alright, so we need the character name and the author. Still on the board. Sarah 01:12:33 She played Hawkeye Pierce They play Talkai Pierce. And the author is I don't know who the author is. Tara 01:12:44 I don't remember. Dave 01:12:44 Boy Sarah 01:12:44 I've read it too. Dave 01:12:45 This guy's parents did not like him. Tara 01:12:48 Mm. Dave 01:12:48 Richard Hooker, good old Dick Hooker Tara 01:12:49 Oof. It's a tough one. Sarah 01:12:51 Oh Dave 01:12:52 Yeah. Sarah 01:12:52 duck Dave 01:12:53 Oh Sophie 01:12:53 Oh Dave 01:12:53 boy. Sophie 01:12:53 boy. Dave 01:12:54 So you got two points there. Nicely done. Tara, Javier Tara 01:12:56 Yep. Dave 01:12:57 Bardem, and Robert Mitchum. Tara 01:13:00 Um that's Cape Fear. Dave 01:13:02 Yes, but the book is called Tara 01:13:06 Oh, the book has a different name? Dave 01:13:07 Uh-huh. Tara 01:13:07 I don't know. Dave 01:13:08 Yeah, I'm gonna give it to you, it's fine. Sarah 01:13:08 Cafe fear Tara 01:13:09 Okay Dave 01:13:10 Yeah, I think they did that thing where they renamed the book that you could buy in the store because people are like, I don't know what the Executioners Tara 01:13:14 Oh. Sarah 01:13:15 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:13:17 is, I only know K Fear. Sarah 01:13:19 It's like the Irishman Tara 01:13:19 Okay Sarah 01:13:20 used to be, I heard you paint houses. Dave 01:13:22 Right. Tara 01:13:22 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:13:23 So okay, we're gonna give you that. Tara 01:13:24 Okay. Dave 01:13:24 But who is the character? Who is the author? Tara 01:13:28 I hope it's the same from the Robert De Niro version because he played Max Cady. Dave 01:13:33 Correct. Tara 01:13:34 Okay. Uh is this our friend James M. Kane again? Dave 01:13:38 It's not. Tara 01:13:38 Hmm. Dave 01:13:38 I'm gonna give you a clue. No points on the board for this one. Tara 01:13:41 Sure. Dave 01:13:42 This is Canada's Fourth Prime Minister. Tara 01:13:46 I don't know. Dave 01:13:46 Follow the sequence. He's our fourth Prime Minister. Tara 01:13:49 I don't know. Dave 01:13:50 We're talking about John D. McDonald. Tara 01:13:52 Oh Dave 01:13:53 They pulled the fourth one out of the Vat. Sarah 01:13:53 Oh yeah Tara 01:13:54 good Dave 01:13:55 John Tara 01:13:55 one Dave 01:13:55 A B C and then finally John D. McDonald. Tara 01:13:58 Cute. Dave 01:13:58 Uh yeah, it was very cute. Two points. Everybody's last question coming at you. Clip 01:14:02 No, no, no, no, no, no, not Dave 01:14:03 I would like the scores. Tara 01:14:04 Okay, Sarah has thirteen, I have fourteen, Sophie has nineteen Clip 01:14:06 knocking Dave 01:14:09 Ooh, okay. Sarah 01:14:10 Yeah, we're done here. Dave 01:14:10 I don't think anybody can catch her, but let's play it out. Clip 01:14:13 out the Dave 01:14:14 Sophie, last actors who played the same character are Tim Curry, Bill Skarsgard. Sophie 01:14:21 They played Pennywise, the clown. Dave 01:14:23 Yes. Pennywise the what? Uh-huh. In what? Name it. Name it Sophie 01:14:30 It Dave 01:14:30 Yeah, okay. Sophie 01:14:31 by Stephen King Dave 01:14:32 You are correct. Three-point sweep to end your run. Tara 01:14:34 Gorgeous Dave 01:14:35 Sarah D. Bunting, you've got Jeremy Irons and Rachel Weiss. Tara 01:14:41 We watched it for this podcast. Dave 01:14:43 Yep. Sarah 01:14:43 Yeah, I know. Tara 01:14:43 I did not continue watching it, by the way. Sarah 01:14:45 No, I didn't either. Dave 01:14:47 But what was it? Sarah 01:14:48 It was Dave 01:14:50 You don't know, you can ask for a hint. Sarah 01:14:52 Can I have the author, please? Dave 01:14:53 The author is Bari Wood, B A R I. Sarah 01:14:57 Yeah, no, that did that did nothing. for me and um yeah name of the character is doctor Dave 01:15:07 I mean, probably. Tara 01:15:08 Mm-hmm. Doctor Vagina Dave 01:15:11 Yeah Sarah 01:15:11 Doctor Doctor, it's pronounced Wagina. And um The title of the book is Sophie 01:15:18 It's true though Sarah 01:15:21 John Cocktoon. I don't I don't remember. Dave 01:15:24 All right. Sarah 01:15:24 I wanna say Reversal of Fortune and it's blotting out every single other thing in my head. Sophie 01:15:28 Yeah. Sarah 01:15:29 Which was written by Dershowitz, did you know? Dave 01:15:31 I'm just going to give you the characters' names just so you can have them before you guess at the title of the book. Elliot and Beverly Mantle. Sarah 01:15:39 Yeah, I c I can't pull the Dave 01:15:41 No. Sarah 01:15:41 I can't pull the title. Dave 01:15:42 Okay. Sarah 01:15:43 It's Terror Wreckers Dave 01:15:44 Alright, what's the title of the production from movie and TV then everybody? Sarah 01:15:44 disease, sorry. Tara 01:15:48 Dead Ringers. Dave 01:15:49 Dead Rangers. Anybody know what the actual book is called Tara 01:15:52 It's not Doctor Sophie 01:15:52 No Tara 01:15:53 Vagina. Dave 01:15:53 It's not Dr. Vagina, no. It is Twins, which is also the movie with Danny DeVito and Alders Schwarzenegger from the same source material. Tara 01:15:59 Oh. Clip 01:16:01 Don't let it go. Sophie 01:16:02 Yes, that that's what Tara 01:16:02 Which was press Sophie 01:16:04 that was Tara 01:16:04 gonna say. Sophie 01:16:04 what was in my mind and I'm like, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it, but it was Dave 01:16:06 Yeah. Sophie 01:16:09 it was correct Dave 01:16:10 You're so much smaller than I am. When you came out the mom 's vagina Sarah 01:16:15 Wagina Sophie 01:16:16 Bagina Dave 01:16:18 Alright, Tara, wrap us up. Tara 01:16:19 Yeah. Dave 01:16:19 We got Freddie Hymore and Anthony Perkins. Tara 01:16:23 They both played Clip 01:16:23 With them both it goes control Tara 01:16:25 Oh my god, I'm totally blanking. Clip 01:16:26 , cause I want to go and Tara 01:16:27 Okay, I'm gonna come back around to it. Clip 01:16:27 go and Tara 01:16:29 It's um Clip 01:16:30 go with them Tara 01:16:31 Psycho. Clip 01:16:31 both Dave 01:16:31 Psycho is the name of the source material. Clip 01:16:33 control because I 'm not sure. Tara 01:16:34 The author, I do not know. Dave 01:16:36 Yeah. He started a very famous tax service for you. Tara 01:16:41 Uh-huh. Dave 01:16:42 Uh-huh. Tara 01:16:43 Um Aloycious Turbo Tex Sarah 01:16:49 Sarah Point Dave 01:16:51 Robert Block Sophie 01:16:52 Block, sure. Tara 01:16:54 Oh my god, why can't I think of his fucking name? Dave 01:16:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tara 01:16:58 I know, I know, I've seen it. Dave 01:16:58 Is this helping? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody do it. Everybody do it to help her. Tara 01:17:01 Oh my god. Dave 01:17:01 Nyh nyh Sarah 01:17:02 Skrink, squink, squink, squink. Tara 01:17:03 Norman Bates, Norman Bates, Norman Bates. Sophie 01:17:05 There you go! Sarah 01:17:05 Yay! Tara 01:17:06 Ugh Sophie 01:17:07 See, the reap read was helpful! Dave 01:17:07 Two points. Sarah 01:17:08 We helped. Dave 01:17:09 All right, that is regulation. Sophie 01:17:09 Yay! Dave 01:17:11 Final scores, please Tara 01:17:12 Sardi Sarah 01:17:13 Oh Tara 01:17:13 Bunch Sarah 01:17:13 my Tara 01:17:13 finished with thirteen. Sarah 01:17:14 god. Tara 01:17:15 I had sixteen. Sophie smashed it twenty-two Dave 01:17:19 Wow, nicely done, Sophie. Sarah 01:17:19 Oh Tara 01:17:19 points. Sarah 01:17:19 my god. Sophie 01:17:21 Thank you. Dave 01:17:21 All right. Sarah 01:17:21 Someone didn't have a brain lesion today. Dave 01:17:23 Yep. Sarah 01:17:23 It was Sophie. Dave 01:17:24 We've got a tiebreaker. Tara 01:17:25 Really Dave 01:17:26 Let's play it. Tara 01:17:26 okay Dave 01:17:26 Winner gets a steel meal for future use. First person to uh actually I'm just gonna this is gonna be chaos Anybody can yell anything part of the answer they want. I'm gonna try to make sense of it. Sophie 01:17:37 Wow. Dave 01:17:38 In theory, you each could get one point here. In theory, somebody could wrap it all up. Sophie 01:17:40 Okay. Sarah 01:17:40 Okay. Dave 01:17:41 Here we go. Jack Nicholson, Stephen Weber. Tara 01:17:47 Oh, Jack Torrents. Sophie 01:17:49 Nice. Um, Stephen King Tara 01:17:50 The Shining Sarah 01:17:51 The shining Dave 01:17:52 Yeah, okay, I got two for Tara, one for Sophie. Sarah 01:17:53 oh Elix head Dave 01:17:55 Yes, nicely done. Alright, congratulations, Sophie. Sophie 01:17:59 Thank you. Sarah 01:17:59 Oh Clip 01:18:01 Valued guest. Valued guest. Tara 01:18:03 Valued guest. Dave 01:18:05 Woo! Sarah 01:18:05 While relaxing, no less. Well done. Dave 01:18:07 Yes, that's right. That's the key to game time Sophie 01:18:10 That is the I I would encourage everyone to try it next time. Dave 01:18:10 victory. It's Shhh, I'm pretty sure she had a little micro nap between questions there too. That is it for another episode of Extra Hot Great. We packed up our boxes of Oh no, I can't say that. That's in the third episode. Beep! Soviet censorship! And moved on to And moved into the for all mankind spin-off Star City before going around the dial stops at Make That Movie, The Tower, Deli Boys and Instadogs. Wendy's prayers for a canon win for designing women's How Great Thou Art was denied by an indifferent god. We craft winners and losers of the week. And Sophie was the winner of this week game time Sarah 01:18:50 Jesus. Dave 01:18:52 from John. Next up, it's Kate Fear on Extra Extra Hot Great. Remember. Clip 01:19:00 We're listening. Dave 01:19:03 I am David T. Cole and on behalf of Tara Arriano, Sarah D. Bunting. Tara 01:19:06 I need bigger shoulder pads. Sarah 01:19:11 We made no mention of them fucking. Dave 01:19:13 And Sophie Brookover. Sophie 01:19:17 I I will kill more Nazis than you can ever imagine. Dave 01:19:21 Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra Hot Great. Clip 01:19:28 We're gonna try this again and then again and again and again and hopefully you won't kill us because this is real life Yes, good