Would We Rather Go To A Pee-Pee-Soaked Heckhole Than Cape Fear?

Clip 00:00 You ready? I get edgy in big groups. This is very low-key tonight. Just to get together with some of the team. Okay. Okay. It's so important for our donors to meet you. You're very important to us. Okay. Okay. Dave 00:25 This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 413 for the June 6th, 2026 weekend. I am Realistic Contact Lenses David T. Cole, and I'm here with Fun Argument Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 00:44 No, you miscarried justice. Dave 00:47 And baby carrot abstainer Tara Ariano Tara 00:49 I'll just never think of them the same way again. Dave 01:00 They're sweet and petite. Sarah 01:04 No , Dave 01:05 Welcome to XRH Sarah 01:07 no, no, no, no, no, no. Dave 01:07 Great. Before we get into our lead topic this week, just a reminder, in case you didn't listen. to the EHG Prime episode this week. Pride Month gift exchange program is happening. You can go to either our Discord or your show notes for a link. George, aka Jovial Gent, has set it up. You have until June 10th to sign up. After that, you'll be assigned a gift uh person Tara 01:32 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:33 of interest. Tara 01:33 Recipient. Sarah 01:34 giftee Dave 01:35 Sure, giftee. So you're encouraged in your wish list items on Elfster to put like in a favorite color, some general guidance, but not like actual items to get your proud gift. So check it out. Links in the show notes. Tara 01:50 Thank you, Dave. And to the listener, welcome to Extra Extra Hot Great, the show made possible by your pledges. We're delighted to have you here. This week we are talking about Cape Fear 2026. In the present day, Anna Bowden is one of the heads of a legal nonprofit that is not the Innocence Project, but does basically the same thing, working to get wrongly convicted inmates exonerated. Her husband Tom, Patrick Wilson, is an expensive defense attorney whose exorbitant hourly rate, it is implied, makes possible their elegant life in Savannah, Georgia. But it was not always thus. Seventeen years ago, Anna was defending Max Cady on charges that he murdered his wife and their unborn son, and Tom was prosecuting the case. The Bowden 's lives are therefore immediately up-ended when Max is suddenly exonerated and released and starts showing up around them unexpectedly Unexpectedly, leading to several anxious interboden conversations about whether he could possibly know what they did. But what did they do? Creator Nick Antosca, whose past credits include the scripted True Crime Limited series, The Act, and Candy, adapt this series from the credits specify the movie versions of Cape Fear from 1962 and 1991, both based as we learned in this week's game time on from John D. McDonald's novel The Executioners. Martin Scorsese, who directed the 1991 Cape Fear, isn't EP on this version as is Steven Spielberg randomly. The first two episodes dropped June 5th on Apple TV. We got access to eight of the season's 10 episodes. We will be careful about spoilers for unaired episodes. Let's do the Chen check-in, Sarah. Should our listeners watch Cape Fear 2026? Sarah 03:31 Alas, no Tara 03:33 Dave. Clip 03:34 Oh, but I like that. Tara 03:43 I guess I'm a Mark because I was into it. I mean not super into it, but curious enough to keep watching. Dave 03:48 Just to answer one of your little things you said. I believe Steven Spielberg is an EP on this because back in the day they swapped rights for Schindler 's List and Cape Fear. Scorsese had the Rice Sarah 03:59 Mm-hmm, yeah, mhm Dave 04:00 to Schindler's list Tara 04:00 Oh Dave 04:01 and Spielberg had Cape Fear, so they made a deal. You know, their names remain on the project. Tara 04:06 Interesting. Well, thank you. I thought it was just that he felt passionately about the material like with Smash. Remember Smash? All right, let's get into it. Uh at this point Apple TV's done a few series adaptations of novels that have already been turned into movies. There were two seasons of the Mr. Mosquito Coast, presume Denison is returning for a second season at some point. There was some joking in our summer TV preview episode about whether this version of Cape Fear could improve upon the movies or the spoof episode of The Simpsons. But I thought the episodic nature of Max's various approaches to the Bodens and the two-part premiere actually showed how this material might really end up working for a whole season. Sarah, your feeling was different. So go go deeper. What did you think? Sarah 04:46 I like this cast and I wanted it to work. I have liked Nick and Tosca product in the past. And I just finished reading a book by Nicholas Dawidoff called The Other Side of Prospect, which um really got into a wrongful conviction based on a coerced confession, how corruption and laziness overlap in policing. And so the what did they do of it all sort of mapping onto their version of the Southern Poverty Law Center was intriguing. But it just takes too long. Everything takes too long and I didn't feel that uh characters' responses to creepy or threatening situations were realistic. There were several scenes in which I was like, why isn't anyone even gossiping quietly? Never mind reacting out loud. Why hasn't 911 been called? Dave 05:49 Why isn't the daughter getting a pair of tongs to pull out skunks from the pool? Tara 05:54 Great point Sarah 05:55 Yeah. I mean yeah, and uh like did the skunk die dot com You're up. Like they showed a cat in the first ninety seconds I was like, bye girl. Like Poor poor Ragdoll is probably toast. I don't know anything, but I don't appreciate having to worry about domesticated companion animals Tara 06:15 Yeah Sarah 06:16 And en conclusion, Bardem 's performances Tara 06:19 , Sarah 06:21 I feel an imitation of De Niro 's that is campy and it it's not really working. Uh take one of these things off. Maybe I would be into it, but there's just like too many things. They're not happening, and they're not happening fast enough or credibly. Dave 06:38 Yeah, I agree. I was a little hopeful after the first episode 'cause I thought the first episode moved along at a pretty good pace and got pretty far into what I remember the general plot being, which is, you know, the guy's released, he starts to terrorize his family. And then what we're familiar with with the movie, which is it just escalates and escalates until it ends. And that was two hours, and that was fine, but I don't need ten Sarah 06:59 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dave 07:03 episodes of that Sarah 07:03 Ten episodes is Dave 07:04 I don't start I don't need the flashbacks of what happened to Max Katie Sarah 07:06 do. Dave 07:09 before the events of Cape Fear to start in the second episode. Hopeful in the first episode really slowed down a lot in the second episode and really just was a reminder that oh there's ten episodes of this and You know, in the universe where this is your first Cape Fear watch out of everything, yeah, maybe I think this would work better, but still Sarah 07:28 Yeah, I could see that. Dave 07:30 I think Sarah 07:30 Yeah. Dave 07:30 I agree with Sarah that it would plod along a little slow. And then in a universe where we have watched, you know, at least the Scorsese Cape fear, it was difficult to not lose patience with this. The saving grace is that the actors are very good, the production values are very good, and I agree that he seems to be channeling De Niro 's performance here, but it is energetic and dynamic and it does hold your attention while Bardam is on the screen despite his weird contact lens choice Sarah 08:05 Well Dave 08:06 there. Sarah 08:06 yeah I mean my attention was held but it was by the fact that he's literally doing the Dave 08:14 Yeah, yeah Sarah 08:16 laugh in multiple awkward situations and everyone is just standing around waiting Dave 08:22 Yes. Sarah 08:23 for him to happen like this is Cape Tara 08:23 Mm-hmm. Dave 08:24 Checking the watches. Sarah 08:24 Fear the high school musical and nobody gave them the blocking. Dave 08:25 Yeah. Yeah. Sarah 08:28 Like, oh my God, this is not how people behave Dave 08:31 No, it's not. Realistically, I guess in this situation when you are a high-powered lawyer family, you would have the juice to get something Done, especially when this some guy just got out of prison and he is a minority figure. It would not be hard for these people to get police action in this scenario. So I mean, as far as all that goes Sarah 08:52 Yeah, in Georgia, come on, yeah. Tara 08:55 Yeah, especially Tom as a former prosecutor. Like you're telling me he's doesn't still know people in the department? Dave 09:00 Yeah, that's what I mean. Tara 09:01 I don't believe that. Yes. Also that he's gotten off a presumably, you know, Zack the Sun hints a lot of rich clients that he knows people who knows people who could get this guy disappeared probably. But I guess we'll see that in the s Sarah 09:13 Mm-hmm. Tara 09:14 r future c episodes, or I will. You won't. Dave 09:17 What Sarah's speaking to is sort of felt like I was going a little crazy because people weren't reacting properly. And like even on the other side, Noah at her practice, like she seemed so gleeful Sarah 09:29 Yeah Dave 09:30 out of everything that's happening. Tara 09:31 That Dave 09:32 It just seemed like out of character for a lawyer in that. Tara 09:32 was bizarre Dave 09:35 Like she seemed like a late stage capitalism level of cravenness, but she is supposed to be doing really good work Tara 09:40 Yeah. Right Sarah 09:43 And young. It's just way too young and like gleeful, that's exactly right, for a C C H Pounder character to play, believably. That was icky. Tara 09:54 Right. And and the idea that You know, she wouldn't obviously intuitively understand why Anna doesn't want to make this guy the figurehead for their organization since he was convicted while she was defending him and doesn't make her look great. Dave 10:09 Yep. Tara 10:10 Duh, this this feels like an obvious thing that would be, you know, chafing. Dave 10:14 So with all that said, the strength of this show for me were the actual like bad things are actively happening to people moments, which were super Tara 10:23 Yes, yes. Dave 10:24 gross, like boys level. Sarah 10:25 Oh yeah. Dave 10:26 sort of stuff happening here. I don't know if we actually want to talk about it. Sarah 10:29 Just like dead alive level disgusting, yep Dave 10:32 Those parts were Tara 10:32 Yeah Dave 10:33 like, yes, uh the NFL red zone moments where I'm like, all right I mean, I guess I'll watch another episode to see if somebody's head gets jammed into a dumbbell rod. Tara 10:41 Thank you. I was not expecting Apple TV to go full assault on precinct or no, what what's the one this Dave 10:48 Face dragged along concrete, though that guy's Tara 10:50 That one and the something uh Dave 10:52 the director that always just tells you the moment you've been waiting for, like news at eleven, this thing will kill you, but it's like a movie title Tara 10:53 in Yes. Dave 10:59 Like here it comes, my feet will be chopped off and fed to my wife. Tara 11:03 Yes. Sarah 11:04 Not one skull emerged from that flashback attacked, not Tara 11:08 Brawl and Cellbok Sarah 11:08 one. Tara 11:09 ninety-nine. That was the one I was thinking of, Vince Vaughn. Dave 11:11 Yeah. Tara 11:12 Oof. Also the same director as a bone tomahawk. S. Dave 11:16 Yeah. Tara 11:16 Greg Zoller. Dave 11:17 And face dragged along concrete or something like that, right? Tara 11:19 And that too. Yes, yes, yes. Dave 11:20 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tara 11:21 Same guy. Sarah 11:21 Does the S stand for SEC O? Because wow. Tara 11:24 Well, I mean the problem is and Dave knows this, I when I s there's something real gleeful, he will look down to my end of the couch and see me like laughing like a child clapping my little seal hands. I love I love gore like this. So that's also why I was a Mark for it, I suppose Dave 11:42 Yeah. Okay, so Tari, you've heard our belly aching about it. Tara 11:45 Mm-hmm. Dave 11:45 What captured you? Tara 11:46 Well, that. Dave 11:47 Yes. Tara 11:48 And the performances I thought were good. I'm just curious to know how to see how far they can iterate on the concept. that we already know? Like how many more fucked up things can he think of to do to them and get away with it? How are they going to play out the string of what the two lawyers did? specifically because they've already changed some of that from and the and the crime also from the Scorsese Sarah 12:11 Yeah. Tara 12:13 movie. I will confess I haven't seen the sixties version. I don't want to watch it in a particularly thinky way. It just feels sort of like entertainingly lurid. I'll say that. Dave 12:25 Yeah, I can see that. Sarah 12:26 Yeah, I think that's what they're going for, and that's fair. It just didn't happen to work on me. Tara 12:31 Yep. Dave 12:31 Yeah. Sarah 12:31 And again, ten episodes. Fuck off. Dave 12:35 Also, that son's bedroom was way too big. Sarah 12:38 Thank you. Dave 12:38 I know they're a rich family and everything, but you shouldn't have your kids have rooms that big. Tara 12:38 Woo Dave 12:42 It just teaches them the wrong lessons. Sarah 12:44 Yeah, I agree. Tara 12:45 I don't know. Maybe it's because I just saw the tet I finished watching the testaments where her room is equally as big. I was like, uh, maybe that's how big bedrooms are in houses like that. Dave 12:55 Hmm Tara 12:55 I don't know. Dave 12:56 The one thing like as I said the first episode moved along fast enough that I was Like, oh, maybe they maybe they cracked it. Maybe this is gonna be like Cape Fear plus and it just goes beyond what we know to the movie and that's gonna be, you know, what's interesting about it. you know, it slowed down after that. But the f part of the first episode where it was like, uh, was when the reveal, this is a pretty big spoiler for episode one. Their son is in the hospitals. He seems to be out of his gourd on some substance. His foot is bleeding. They take off his shoe. They take off his sock. This all maybe this happens in the house. Tara 13:32 Yes Dave 13:32 And there is a toe missing from his foot. And they're all like, uh. And at that moment they do a flashback where MacKatie earlier in the night Tara 13:40 Yeah. Dave 13:41 was at a conference for the law firm she works at. And he's all going about Tara 13:45 Yeah Dave 13:46 and then something something toes and fingers, toes and fingers, toes and fingers, toes and Tara 13:50 Well it's it's f it's fa and also the episode is called Fingers and Toes. Dave 13:56 Yeah. Tara 13:56 Like we we get it. Sarah 13:57 Yeah, we're Tara 13:57 I agree. That was bad. Dave 13:59 Like Sarah 13:59 Yeah Dave 14:00 I know we're in the streaming age and we've all heard about the Netflix rules for making product. Tara 14:05 Mm-hmm. Dave 14:06 But come on, the same episode. It was 20 minutes apart. Tara 14:09 Yes Dave 14:10 Give me some fucking credit. Tara 14:11 Not maybe not even. Dave 14:12 Yeah Tara 14:13 Yes. I feel like recent episodes of the Lonely Island and Seth Myers podcast have educated me a lot about color grading on screen, such that I was very aware of things like how brilliantly blue different characters' eyes are, or how The humidity of Savannah feels palpable while you watch because the colors are so intense it feels like everything is kind of juicy. Dave 14:32 Yeah. Tara 14:33 Uh Dave, this is your area. What did you think of the show's the choices with the show's look and feel? Dave 14:37 Yeah. The color grading reminded me of a 50s postcard. It had that sort of quality to it. Didn't like end up looking like a 50s postcard. Tara 14:44 Mm-hmm. Dave 14:44 But when the the blues are turning towards turquoise, oranges go towards red, that's sort of like super saturation. Sarah 14:52 Cirquey is how I had it in my notes. Dave 14:54 It's unfortunate because a lot of people's skin looks super bad when they did that color gritty. Poor Amy Adams. Sarah 15:00 Yeah. Dave 15:00 I don't know what's going on with her, but she looks like she needs all the moisturizer, all now stat. Sarah 15:05 Yeah. I thought that nods to that sort of Douglas Cirquey s emotionally sweaty feeling in the color grading, the music cues. I I thought that was effective and an interesting idea. Like there's a lot here that's like thoughtful and not badly done. But if this isn't your first Cape Fear, I'm just not sure you're gonna have the patience. Tara 15:31 Yeah, for sure. Because as we said, the Simpsons already redid Cape Fear with Sideshow Bob in the Max role. This version had to work. I was gonna say harder than it probably would have otherwise to make Max legitimately scary. How well did they pull it off? It seems like not well, but Sarah, what did you think? Sarah 15:50 I think they definitely tried, and like using shot compositions where he seems to be looming over people. Bardem is not. I mean he's not like Hollywood five ten short, but he's not like unusually tall either. But yeah, I just didn't feel again, this was a matter of my not believing people 's responses that they were just sort of like the m mouse sort of like stunned by the snake and just like waiting for it to swallow them. And I'm like, no, the kid is like bleeding from the Converse All-Stars on the floor, and he's obviously out of it. No one has even dialed nine. Never mind 911, they're just like, what did you take? What did you take? Like, I don't know, call an EMT, let them fucking figure it out. But the problem with making Max scary is that numerous shots of people just sort of standing there stunned by a scariness that we're not necessarily shown, we're just kind of told. that did not work for me. Like I didn't find it credible that these people who have been working in the criminal justice system their entire careers basically and owe their relationship and family to it. would not be a little more up on how to handle or get rid of a guy like this. So I see what they were trying to do, but unfortunately a certain static quality in character's non-credible responses kinda undercut it, I guess, as it were. Dave 17:22 De Niro 's portrayal to me there's a moment in the Untouchables just before he picks up the baseball bat and bashes the guy's head in where he's just talking about teamwork. You know that scene? Tara 17:31 All right. Dave 17:31 And he just says something about like enthusi enthusiasms, enthusiasms. And there's like that point where he says that, there's like such malevolence in that while still being human. And I thought that moment in the Untouchables was like his whole shtick in his version of Cape Fear. Tara 17:48 Mm-hmm. Dave 17:48 And there's like this low temperature boil to that portrayal that this one is sort of going more for that uh high intensity training boil where it's like and uh that you know he's like the you know he's just like has these Sarah 18:04 Yeah. Dave 18:05 ways where he's like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da Tara 18:08 Mm-hmm. Dave 18:08 and that over the length of this series I'm gonna guess is gonna grind you down. Tara 18:14 That's also that seeing a guy with tattoos all over his torso, no matter what they are of, is not as chilling as it was in 1991. Like that's supposed to be a big moment, and you're like I can see twelve of these guys if I went to a gym right now. Dave 18:27 Yeah. Tara 18:27 Anyway, go ahead, Sarah. Sarah 18:28 Yeah, exactly. Or, you know, sophomore Dave 18:30 Get a coffee. Sarah 18:31 year at NYU. Tara 18:32 Yes. Yes. Dave 18:33 Yeah. Sarah 18:33 I mean, Tara 18:34 Restaurant, kitchen, any of those. Sarah 18:34 d but Seriously, top chef, first Tara 18:37 Mm-hmm. Sarah 18:39 episode of the season. Dave 18:40 Whenever you walked into any of those places, your gym, your coffee shop, your local diner, that music started playing when you saw the Sarah 18:46 Yeah. Tara 18:50 Mm-hmm. Sarah 18:51 Yeah. Dave 18:51 Uh I don't know. Uh Macchiato, please. Tara 18:57 I'll leave it on a note I think we can all agree on, which is for viewers who are into men, this series has something for everyone. If you're into blondes, there's Patrick Wilson. If you want them swarthier, there's Javier Bardem, so Sarah, we're uh either of these guys working for you in that regard. Sarah 19:14 The Patrick Wilson character, like microdosing, I was immediately turned off by that. Tara 19:20 Sure. Sarah 19:20 But there's also Jamie Hector. Tara 19:22 That's true Sarah 19:23 I hate to bail on my man Marlowe, but I can't. And he he is rocking a very foxy beard, if that's your thing, and Tara 19:30 True. Sarah 19:30 I guess it's mine Tara 19:32 Yeah. I consider Patrick Wilson a dear friend because I interviewed his wife once, like five years ago, but I have to celebrate his tight, tight butt here. There's a shot when he's in profile and you're like, oh Sarah 19:41 Mm Tara 19:43 damn. Dave 19:43 Like to see what's under his cape. Sarah 19:44 yeah Tara 19:46 I'm not afraid. Dave 19:52 All right, everybody, it's time for everybody's favorite question and answer zeichman. It is Ask EHG.all right. Sarah 20:17 This should have been Max Cady 's music. Come on. Dave 20:20 Uh man. It is time for Ask EHG, which means it is first time for Ask Ask E H G Judgment. Let's spin the wheel. Here's the music. You're not hearing it right now, but it's definitely gonna be in the post show. Oh, creepy. Oh Tara, Tara, you're our judge this week. Tara 20:40 Yes, uh our question came from Cekent, who wrote, I am not a crackpot, but Rooster and RJ Decker premiered almost simultaneously, but the Speedman show about a down-on-is luck guy should be called Rooster, while the show about a college professor should be the one called RJ Decker. What are other shows you think would be better represented by switching names? And I believe, Dave, you have a pitch. Dave 21:04 Yeah. Designing women in dollhouse. Tara 21:08 Mm-hmm, interesting. Sarah 21:08 Mm Tara 21:09 Yep. I can see it. Sarah 21:10 good one Tara 21:12 Very good. Here are a couple of uh runners up from the Discord. Erica wrote, All I can come up with is the Sopranos and Smash, which like I don't don't say all you can come up with. Dave 21:22 That's really good. Tara 21:22 That's pretty good. Sarah 21:23 Yeah, that's very good. Dave 21:24 A problem with a lot of them as I read them is they only work for one of them and they didn't really translate to the other one, but that one works really well. Tara 21:28 Nope, yes. Not this one. Sarah 21:31 Mm-hmm. Tara 21:32 Ditto Mandrake 's pitch, which was the deadliest catch and squid game Dave 21:37 Okay, yeah. That's good Tara 21:39 But our winner this week is Seth, going to title swap a pair of recent HBO Sunday night efforts. The show about robbing stash houses is now called House of the Dragon, and the Snoozapalooza Game of Thrones prequel is now more honestly advertised as task. Well done. Shots fired. Good job, Seth. Uh Sarah 22:01 Dang Tara 22:01 DM Dave Dave 22:02 House of the Dragon. Tara 22:03 to Yes. Dave 22:08 Alright, yes, Seth, I think you're up to like three sticker packs you in the next mailing, so you know I might have to send it in a padded envelope this time. Tara 22:15 Mm-hmm. Dave 22:15 We'll see. Congratulations. Thank you everybody for answering that question. And also Tara 22:19 Yes Dave 22:19 great question. Thank you. C Kent. All right, let's get into your questions for us this week. First one comes from Diana. She asks, in honor of Pride Month, who is your favorite queer fictional TV character, Tara? Tara 22:31 This is possibly recency bias because we recently rewatched this show, but it is Curtis from the other two, the Brandon Scott Jones character who's Carrie's best friend, fellow actor, goes on a real journey, has some of the most, I would say, emotionally honest moments of the whole show. And um I love him. So yeah, Curtis. Sarah 22:54 Many honorable mentions, but none can touch the garment of my top pick. Clip, please. Clip 23:00 I should have just had sex with him. Why not? It would have been so simple. But maybe it shouldn't be so simple. I mean, not that I know I know what I'm talking about or anything Because I've never, you know, experienced this or what have you. But even if I did meet the perfect person I just think it should be like a miracle. Like seeing a comet. Or just feeling like you're seeing one. Seeing the other person's perfectness or something. And if you do it before you're even ready How are you gonna see all that? Sarah 23:52 The great Wilson Cruz is the also Tara 23:53 Hmm. Sarah 23:54 great Ricky Vasquez in my so-called life. This was a young man that we all knew, whom we had not really seen on TV before, pretty much, and for all the love the show still gets, rightly. I am not sure that the Ricky of it all is rated high enough. So Ricky Vasquez, noun forever. Tara 24:12 And speaking of my soul-called life, if you would like to hear Sarah and me recap this show in podcast form, it is currently absolutely running away with the poll on our sister podcast, Again With Again With This. So if you wanna join in, uh, you could vote if you're at the ten dollar level or up Again With This podcast dot com slash club. We will link it in the show notes. Dave 24:36 Well, my first thought was Captain Holt from Brooklyn Nine Nine. Tara 24:39 Mm-hmm. Dave 24:40 I think he is one of the best examples of how to develop your character without assassinating it, because he was extremely reserved at the start of the series, like to the point where he wasn't really bouncing off a lot of other characters, but contrast him with Ron Swanson, which I thought was a great character at the start of that Parks Tara 24:59 Mm-hmm Dave 24:59 and Rex show, but like by the end of it it's like, I don't know who this is anymore. But I felt his arc was really great and I'm gonna also put in a vote here for something we don't see a lot of, which is a comedic transgender character, Lexi from Save by the Bell reboot. Tara 25:15 Yes, yes Dave 25:15 She has some really good moments Sarah 25:17 Oh Dave 25:17 and uh Sarah 25:17 yeah. Dave 25:18 just something you Sarah 25:18 Good pick. Dave 25:19 we don't get enough of. Tara 25:20 True, good Dave 25:21 All right. Tara 25:22 thought Dave 25:22 Damon, which fictional TV band would perform at the 250 celebration? Sarah. Sarah 25:28 This was actually shockingly easy. It is shitty bigot Devin and his band Kane was able from season eight of Beverly Hills 90210. Tara 25:39 Right Sarah 25:39 I mean, just the biblical reference alone, but then on top of that, he's just a multi-platform, racist, anti -semite, shithel. Dave Dave 25:48 I think Dethklok would show up, but only to Fuck up the place. Tara 25:54 I thought you and I might match because I went with Cold Slither, the Cobra band Dave 25:58 Yeah, that's true. Tara 25:58 from G.I. Joe. Sarah 26:00 Yes. Dave 26:02 Yep. All right, EC Fell. If you go to the grocery store, you will see an absolute ton of products with the World Cup branding. on them. What TV show needs to do the same is slap World Cup options all over it, no matter how distantly related paradise. Tar. Tara 26:20 Uh, Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed has a youth soccer storyline, so they should be all over that. Sarah. Sarah 26:27 Dutton Ranch, I will not be taking questions at this time. Dave 26:32 Towering Monolith. I find it hard to bring myself to watch things, even if they've been recommended highly, if the title is something extremely cliched like Meet Blank or Welcome to Blank or American Blank. Are there any other constructions like this that repel you? Tara 26:49 The title thing doesn't bother me. I can't I couldn't think of any examples of any of these. I mean American whatever, those are there's a ton of that. And some of them are good and some of them suck. But uh my thing is m less about the titles than If I watch a trailer and it's full of like cliche lines like, well that just happened, or that's not a thing, or no notes, or has a very overused needle drop, like I Clearly remember watching the trailer for upload on Prime Video and m all of my curiosity about it evaporating when once in a lifetime by the talking heads. started Sarah 27:22 Oh Tara 27:22 to play. Sarah 27:22 dear. Yeah Tara 27:24 So those are the things that repel me more so than a title. Dave. Dave 27:28 I'm not a fan of titles with colons in them, like basically titles that have subtitles. They're usually for sequels. But I always find it's better if you can figure out a way to not put that in, because it just seems kind of lazy and cheap to me. You know, like they're not trying to tell a story with their title. That's a weird notion. I know it's just a title and it's mostly marketing driven, but still it annoys me and I don't like it. Sure. Sarah 27:55 Yeah, this is definitely a thing in true crime, the number of the amount of stuff at the shop that starts with American blank colon and then it's like a full paragraph telling you what's actually on the tin and it's like just make that the fucking title Jesus. Anyway, repelled is a little strong, but actively deterred from seeking it out applies to any of the the vast collective noun construction that's difficult to Google. The expanse, the middle Anything like that, like put a proper name or a future year in there, otherwise your show is indistinguishably mid from the get and I just am not gonna follow up because who has time? The thing! Which thing? Dave 28:39 And with an E, this might only be for Tara brackets, yes. What's your ranking of these recent HBO series finales? Hacks, the comeback, and somebody somewhere. You have to rank them, Tara. Tara 28:52 Okay, well in the bronze position, we've got the comeback. I thought they landed the plane, but the whole AI storyline really ground me down by the end. Um Silver goes to hacks, I thought it was lovely, but I did think the final season in general was a lot of sort of fan service in a way that didn't repel me but didn't thrill me either. I think the highs were high, but it had a lot of low lows over the season and Gold, obviously somebody somewhere, perfect, lovely, understated, just like the show itself, and left the door open for possibly like a sequel movie a la looking, which I hope happens because I miss those characters and I want to see what they're doing now forever. Sarah 29:42 That's what they're doing. Dave 29:44 All right, the next four are just for me, so I'm gonna let Tara and Sarah read the questions. Tara 29:48 Dave, you are laughing a ton during the Drunk Dave episode, but do you remember it being fun? Or do the post-episode regrets wipe out the fun memories? Dave 29:58 Alright, that's from Megan C. I remember very little of it. When it was over the first few days, I'm like, okay, yeah, I think that went well. And then when I actually thought about the question, I'm like, I remember a few things. Like somebody pinged me yesterday for their sticker set. Apparently I promised some of the judges stickers. And I'm like, I'm gonna take your word for this. I have no memory of it. I remember Sarah's point on the last tiny cannon pitch that it was technically ineligible, because I was pretty upset with myself about that. Sarah 30:31 He didn't seem upset. Dave 30:33 I remember going to the bathroom at some point and laughing at myself in the bathroom. I will have to watch the episode at some time because because that is basically all I remember. I remember the start. I remember going to the bathroom and I remember being upset with myself at the Adams pitch, but after that, it's a little bit of a haze. Little bit of a haze. Sarah 30:55 The next Dave only question comes to us from Towering Monolith. Whatever happened to the extravaganza gong? Dave 31:01 Yeah. So I set it up for some fun game time option. I think I presented it something like You have the option to play as a team against Tara or something like that. Sarah 31:13 Oh yeah Dave 31:14 And then whoever had that option was like, nah, and I'm like, well. So I just let it die in the vine because you guys are no fun. Sarah 31:23 It's true. Dave 31:24 Yeah. Tara 31:25 Cekent is back. And Seekant asks something that I also have an answer for, so I don't know why this is Dave only. What are Tara and Sarah's Dave point totals? What can you buy with Dave points? Dave 31:35 Okay, well I don't know the total, so if you have those, I would like to hear them. Tara 31:38 I do. Dave 31:39 Okay. Tara 31:39 I mean there have been times where you have wiped them out, I think, but that might only be for steel meals. Dave 31:42 Mm-hmm. Sarah 31:43 Mm-hmm Dave 31:44 Yeah Tara 31:44 But according to my records, Sarah with 12, me with seven, valued guest 15. Dave 31:49 Alright, well every fifty day points gives you a free bowl of my vegetarian chili when you're here. Tara 31:55 I Dave 31:55 Yeah. Tara 31:55 also have kept count of Sarah points within game time. Sarah 31:56 I accept Dave 31:58 Uh-huh. Okay. Tara 32:00 So the following people each have one, Dave. Dave 32:03 Yeah, oh great. Tara 32:04 Dan Cassino, Dave Chen, oh I'm sorry, Will Hines has two. Dave 32:07 Oh Tara 32:08 Tim Grierson has one. So do Stephanie, me, and Maris Kreizman. Dave 32:13 Nice. Tara 32:13 So we'll see if those come into play. Sarah 32:13 Okay. Dave 32:13 And and what can we redeem them for? Tara 32:17 Great question. Sarah 32:18 I don't know. Dave 32:19 Oh, okay. Sarah 32:20 I'll have to think Dave 32:21 Alright. Okay. Sarah 32:22 Jeff says, hi Dave, I had a reminder pop up. How is the work on your death ray progressing? Dave 32:29 Okay. This question I'm like, what the Hell? And then he explained it in the text. So This is a Hell of a reminder. I I I Jeff, I'm gonna give you a sticker pack just for like putting in the work here as you'll figure it out. Okay, so DM me. This is a 10-year reminder, he said himself. 10-year reminder. This clip I'm gonna play Sarah 32:49 Wow. Dave 32:51 is from Extra Hot Grape 118. And I believe Tara is making a pitch for an episode of Humans Tara 32:58 Heard of him. Sarah 32:58 Heard of Dave 32:59 for the Canon. Sarah 32:59 them? Dave 33:00 And here is a segment from that. Clip 33:02 And I don't know if that's a choice that somebody made or what, but it's like really like It's it takes the energy down every time that he's in a scene. Even when he's supposed to be like angry or or or scheming or whatever, he always seems to be playing the same note. That's it. He's not in it that much, so that that's okay. Uh David Um I agree with what Tara said. Uh I also kind of get that it's a strong series all the way through, but But uh this isn't this is the episode that starts setting up some of the big questions. And yeah, it is a question of what, you know, uh are the big questions going to remain big questions through the next 10 years. I don't know. I hope I'm not doing this podcast in ten years. I hope I'm uh you know living on top of a mountain with my death ray holding the earth hostage with my robot army. So we might never know. So I'm gonna take this opportunity to vote it in. Dave 33:57 So that was ten years ago this month. Sarah 33:58 Oh that's a shame. Dave 34:00 Ye s so here we still are. Sarah 34:03 Oh Dave 34:03 And I don't regret Sarah 34:03 well. Dave 34:04 keeping doing the podcast, but I do regret not having a death ray I moved on to other projects, I got some things in the works, they won't kill people, but you know, I think they'll be similarly satisfying So thank you, Jeff, for reminding me of this. That was a delight to see that in my inbox. And please DM me. I want to give you a sticker set for your troubles Tara 34:25 I don't think it was me pitching humans. Dave 34:27 No, I don't think so just based on hearing that again, but I yeah, I don't know who that was. Tara 34:30 Yeah. Sarah 34:31 No, Joe, maybe Tara 34:31 So to give sorry to not give credit to whoever it was. Dave 34:34 Yeah. Tara 34:34 We our show notes were not so great then. Dave 34:36 All right, Elsbeth, other than Tom Selleck Magnum, what actors or characters and shows are at risk of being left out of your lists for the podcast due to polite fighting over them? Tara 34:47 Great question. Dave 34:48 So we were talking about this. It came up recently. Me and Sarah sort of mutually reserved Magnum for the other, therefore Magnum didn't get a say. What are other ones that fall into that category, Sarah? Sarah 35:01 A Team, Magnum, of course, X-Files and Twentieth Century Trek. I tend to leave for Dave I don't watch nearly the number of sitcoms my co-hosts do, so the ones I do want to use I usually just use, but I would subtract must-see TVcomms. like friends in Seinfeld, assuming someone else will take those, but I'm interested to hear what other people reserve for me. I'm betting it's like nonfiction, blah bah blah ba bosh verse Law and Order mothership, but we'll find out. Tara? Tara 35:33 Well, the problem is I for me, uh it goes in the opposite direction because I know I watch more TV than either of you, possibly more than both of you put together. So if it's any show that I know one or the other of you watches, I tend to not Pick it. I just wherever I reasonably can I try to go with something that you guys don't know about if it's a situation like that. Dave 35:56 There's nothing probable about you watching more TV than us combined. Sarah 36:01 Yeah. Dave 36:01 It is absolute. There are moments where I were watching, let's say, Taskmaster, and I'm like, I gotta go to the bathroom, maybe grab a quick snack. Can you just pause it? Sure. I'm halfway out of the door and I I can hear something else start to play so she can wa Tara 36:15 I don't I don't do that anymore. Dave 36:17 you do Fuck off. You do do this. She'll watch 45 seconds of something before I get back. She's shaking her head, but she absolutely does it Bullshit. She's gonna say something now. Do not believe her lies. Tara 36:31 What I do usually these days. There have been times when I've done that before, and it's because you'll be like, I just need to do something real quick at my desk. Dave 36:35 All the time Tara 36:39 And that could mean 30 seconds or it could mean 10 minutes, but usually I just play my uh arrow Dave 36:41 No. Hmm. Just Tara 36:45 arrow game. Dave 36:45 just just own it. You do it. Tara 36:47 Whatever. Dave 36:48 Bullshit Tara 36:48 I that said, I assume Sarah and Dave leave Glow alone for my sake, because that's like my sentimental favorite. Dave 36:55 Right. Tara 36:55 Dave. Sarah 36:55 Uh, yeah. Well, no, I will I will take that one sometimes, but Dave 36:59 Yeah. Tara 36:59 Hm. Sarah 37:00 depends. Dave 37:01 I mean, if it's a question and it comes up a lot, which is, you know, which cancellation was a dagger in your heart, then I think we all agree on that one, but Tara 37:07 Yeah. Yes. Dave 37:09 yes. Sarah 37:10 Yeah. But also like sports TV, I'm just like, okay, I'm going to know more of this, so I will go around the edges and leave what I know you guys are gonna take. Sorry Dave, go ahead. Dave 37:20 Yeah, no problem. I get the sense that you guys sometimes leave 90210 things for each other that you you you are confident that and I think it's because within that show Sarah 37:28 Uh-huh. Dave 37:30 and then like the whole Again With This universe that within those shows that you have rank characters that you love or hate slightly differently. So you know that difference. So if it's Who do you hate most? Then you'll leave certain character for Sarah and vice versa, that kind of thing. Tara 37:44 Yeah. Dave 37:45 I get that impression. For me and Tara, I think it's Simpsons. Tara 37:46 Maybe. Dave 37:48 It gets left out because we're like mutually expecting the other one to bring it up. Tara 37:52 Yeah, that's a good one. Dave 37:53 Yep. Next question is from DPOV16. When you are visiting or staying at the home of friends or family, do you change the direction of the toilet paper roll if it's not the way you personally use Tara 38:06 You mean the right way? Dave 38:06 it? First the answer to the question directly, no, I'm not a psychopath. That's not to say I don't have opinions about the toilet paper and the way it should hang. Like, I'm not gonna rearrange somebody's house for that. Like, I expect and hope the toilet paper is hanging off the front of it so I can grab it. Sarah 38:26 Over top, yes. Dave 38:27 Yes, and that is the correct Tara 38:27 Yes. Sarah 38:28 You're not a monster. Dave 38:30 normal way of thinking about it. Tara 38:32 Mm-hmm. Dave 38:32 Let's face facts. You may have the other opinion, but you're like wrong and in the minority. I don't know why this has become such a debate because I believe at least ninety percent of the people that would answer this question would say, yeah. just from a physical standpoint to get the stuff and not have it rip off all the time, I would like it hanging from the front. Anyways, but the very notion of going to somebody's house, taking off their toilet paper, and then putting it back on the way you want it. is actually crazy funny to me. Like I would actually like to see that in a TV show Tara 39:06 Mm-hmm. Dave 39:06 and that being like a plot point that tailspins into a friendship getting ruined. Tara 39:11 Yeah. Sarah 39:12 Is this referred to as ass lighting? Dave 39:17 It is now. Sarah 39:18 Um, at my dad's house, a couple of the carers and I are in an over-under Cold War, and I will change it there, knowing that the next time I'm there it will be changed back. And it's like, okay, I guess we're I guess we're doing this. I guess we all have time to do this. There's also the like I just want planes got tissue. That's It's how I am. It's better for the plumbing. It's an old house. And then inevitably it's been replaced by the you can barely get one square. into the toilet because it's so fluffy kind. And I will change that there. Also, there's always the backup role of Scott that I'm like, nope, we're scraping today. That's how it is. Everywhere else I just judge silently. Tara 39:59 Jesus Christ Dave 40:01 We're scraping today. Sarah 40:03 Yes, Ari, we're scraping. Dave 40:05 That's the grossest thing you've ever said Tara 40:07 Do do not make it a shirt or a sticker, I'm begging you. Dave 40:10 No. Sarah 40:10 No. Tara 40:11 I'm begging you. Sarah 40:13 And that's how I wound up sitting next to my poor grandmother in Hell. Poor Louise is like, what the Hell did I do? Dave 40:22 I'm sure everybody listening to this podcast knows you live in New York City, but there is something uniquely depressing about seeing people in New York City buy toilet paper Tara 40:29 One roll at a time. Dave 40:30 because They don't have this Sarah 40:31 Yeah Dave 40:31 yeah, they don't have the space to buy the mighty 48 rolls of toilet paper at a time. Sarah 40:36 , Dave 40:36 So the coming out of Duane Reed with like individual paper-wrapped Scott toilet paper rolls. It is so depressing Tara 40:43 Mm-hmm. Dave 40:44 It's no way to live your life. Sarah 40:46 This is why you moved to Red Brooklyn. There's a bunch of Republicans, but you got enough space to get the whole palette of Scott. Tara 40:52 Go ahead. Dave 40:53 Republicans. Pro-toilet paper, anti -scraping. Tara 40:57 Well, this is I guess how I found out something about myself, because as Dave knows, I use a lot of toilet paper. If I replace it, I might put it on correctly just out of habit. I wouldn't do it passive aggressively to like correct them. Dave 41:11 Yeah, sure Tara 41:13 And just I'm heading this off at the pass. If you're like, I have to put an underhand because otherwise my cat goes in there and they play with bat off a whole roll with their little paws, like some cats do. Govern your cats. Sarah 41:24 Uh-huh. Tara 41:25 That's not my problem. Dave 41:25 Yeah. Put an electric fence around your toilet paper. Tara 41:27 That's right. Sarah 41:28 Yeah. Tara 41:28 If you see a package of Sarah 41:29 Also that's no guarantee of correcting, sorry. Tara 41:30 to Well, if you look at a package of toilet paper, if they show it, it's always coming from the front, not coming under Sarah 41:39 Mm-hmm. Tara 41:39 hang. Dave 41:40 But Tara 41:40 But what Dave 41:41 oh my god, what a marketing coup that would be if they did that thing with Shreddies and diamond Shreddies. Tara 41:46 Like or like Twix, left left Twix and right Twix? Dave 41:48 Right, where they promoted the fact that this package of toilet paper is Sarah 41:48 Yes, like Twix. Dave 41:53 is designed for the weirdo underhang way. Tara 41:56 mm, mm, well Dave 41:57 That's something. I oh my god, if somebody did that, they would just like they would have a 10% bump for a few months, I am sure. Tara 42:04 It would be pretty funny. Sarah 42:04 They would. People would be talking about it. Dave 42:05 I'm putting all right, Kimberly Scott, have at it. Tara 42:08 Yeah. This feels like something that would have a lot of legs on social media as well. Dave 42:11 Yeah, that's what I mean. Sarah 42:12 Mm-hmm. Tara 42:12 Yeah. Dave 42:13 Yeah. Tara 42:13 Mm-hmm. Dave 42:13 That was a great question. Tara 42:15 Mm-hmm. Dave 42:15 And I kinda want to know if DPOV16 does that, and that's why they're asking if they're that much of a crusader for this cause. L Triple B, does your supermarket have free samples? Mine does not and hasn't since COVID. Unpleasant. Tara 42:32 I feel like this did just come up w perhaps in relation to Costco. Dave 42:35 Yes, I was complaining about people that get samples and how they should be shunned from the planet, but proceed. Tara 42:40 Yes. Anyway, yes, I do occasionally see samples of stuff at H E B. Recently for a couple of days in a row, I've for some reason had to go twice. I think I had a pick up a prescription or something, but there was a person in the produce department that was like, You wanna try some blackberries? It's like, Okay. I mean I didn't have one, but it just seemed like a weird, like, hey y'all heard of Razpa blackberries like Yes, no one should need to sample these. It's not they're that exotic. But anyway, I don't partake of samples. Not for any political or hygiene reasons, I just don't. Dave 43:11 Political reasons. Tara 43:11 Sarah? I don't know. Dave 43:14 Yeah. Sarah 43:14 Dan is the primary grocery acquisition specialist in uh our house, but to my knowledge I mean, see again, Ray, New York City and space, the local groceries don't Tara 43:24 Yeah Sarah 43:25 nobody's got time or square footage for that, and never have. Tara 43:28 That Sarah 43:29 So since COVID it hasn't changed appreciably. Dave 43:33 What they could do in your area though is have people that are on the top of the aisle shelves with fishing rods with samples on the rods and they can like just lower it down to you as you're going through the aisles sample. It's like a cheese on a hook and they bring it back up, redo. Costco still does this a lot. Sometimes when I go to Costco, there's one at every end cap and it drives me fucking nuts. Because Costco shoppers are the worst at the best of times, and then when you add Sarah 43:59 Yeah, already feral. Dave 44:01 samples at the end of every end cap And you get that fucking 80-year-old raisin coming. Oh, it's like a coffee encrusted nugget of chicken boiled in emu fat. Yeah, it's good. Uh yeah. And they're like there for like four fucking ever and they don't understand it's an intersection and people trying to get through like Gumming up the works, and I am not a crackpot, but in Dave's New America, you're allowed to hit them with your cart. Sarah 44:30 Mm, Dr. Rick is standing nearby, like, do you guys mind? Tara 44:34 Mm-hmm. I especially at Costco, I question I mean, it must work or else they wouldn't do it. But I don't I don't feel like Costco shoppers are that um are impulse buyers. You know what I mean? Sarah 44:45 Yeah, they're not that suggestible. Tara 44:46 I don't I doubt that it converts that much. Dave 44:48 But Costco shoppers are also not PICCI consumers, right? Sarah 44:48 Yeah. Tara 44:51 Right. Dave 44:52 Because they're at Costco. They are making a bargain that they're getting cheaper food. Tara 44:57 Mm-hmm. Dave 44:58 But it's full of options they ideally wouldn't want. You know, like, do you remember that meme I put up with your pictures? Tara 45:01 Mm. Yes, I do. Dave 45:04 Like, oh boys, Tara 45:04 Yes. Dave 45:05 your favorite beverage in a case of twenty-four Tara 45:06 Mm-hmm. Dave 45:07 for five dollars less than you can get at the supermarket. Half of them are the flavor I want, the other half is a flavor called cinnamon shoe. Tara 45:13 Yes. Dave 45:13 I don't like that, but I'm gonna buy it anyways. That's the Costco consumer to me Tara 45:17 Right Sarah 45:17 Uh-huh Dave 45:18 So I just don't think they're that PICCI when they get there and they'll just eat everything because it's free. Tara 45:23 Yeah Dave 45:23 But the other thing is that it is a commitment, even if you kind of like it. The cheapest box that you're gonna find of the new cookie or whatever you just sampled is gonna be like $15. Tara 45:34 Yeah. Dave 45:34 And so it's like a big ask, even if they do that. Tara 45:36 Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Dave 45:38 So I don't Tara 45:38 I would be surprised how often a sample converts to people buying whatever they sampled versus just eating it in the store 'cause it's free. Sarah 45:45 Then they're gaming it. It's like, how unpleasant is the Costco experience and does this ameliorate that for some people? Does that lure them into an aisle they wouldn't usually even be near, and then they're like, oh, it's a fifty gallon drum of Rao's Tara 45:58 Right, mm hmm, yeah Sarah 46:01 Pastasos. Dave 46:02 Yeah Sarah 46:02 Like, let's go. There was actually a whole article about this in The New Yorker recently and like the psychology of Costco layouts Tara 46:08 I read it. Sarah 46:09 that Tara 46:09 Yeah. This is why I'm saying I'm sure it works, however, whatever works means in this context, because I'm sure they don't do anything that's a waste. Dave 46:15 Yeah. Yeah. Sarah 46:18 Yeah, Tara 46:18 Anyway, yes. Dave 46:19 HE B does it, but there is an easier ask because if they give you a cookie it only costs three dollars to buy the box. So I Tara 46:26 Yes, absolutely. Dave 46:26 I bet, you know, ironically, even though those are slow to come back, I bet they're more effective Sarah 46:26 Yeah. Dave 46:32 ROI-wise. Tara 46:33 Pro yes, for sure. Sarah 46:34 And now we close the portal. Dave 46:36 I I had a note right here, but thank you for the reminder. Clip 46:38 Enough! I'm so sick and tired of hearing you people talk about food, food, food. Dave 46:43 Alright, last question for us is from Vandy and Sarah. I hope you can provide examples for this because the question I didn't really couldn't really think of anything that fit. But here's here it is. Do you mind if mystery or detective stories bring in supernatural elements without debunking them? So that is the question, Sarah, with your answer. If you have any examples, I would love to hear them. Sarah 47:03 I don't because I don't read like mystery or detective fiction that much. I would not mind that in theory. And in fact, I'm always on the side of like, just let us decide what it is. Like, let Midichlorians be a lesson to us all. forever in the in the building and revelation of narrative craft. Dave 47:24 I I couldn't think of any examples off the top of my head. I admittedly I was only trying to slam in a TV show into that uh question. I don't know. It depends on how it's treated. Like, let's just say, uh, what was the show we were watching? Um, uh, with the Lovecraft movie with Fred Ward? Tara 47:43 Oh, um, cast a deadly spell Dave 47:45 Dream cast a deadly spell where Sarah 47:47 Right Dave 47:47 magic is part of society and it's accepted. It's just another tool in your toolbox. Tara 47:54 Uh-huh. Dave 47:54 That worked. But if it was like Sarah 47:55 Mm-hmm. Dave 47:57 and then he was killed by a you know, a golem. It's like, oh all right. And that and then just like out of the blue, then no, but I guess it really depends on how they write it. So possible but not probable. Sarah 48:09 Or, like, I mean, Angel was a detective was a private detective. Like, yes, it was mostly a supernatural story, but the frame was that he was a PI. Dave 48:13 Yeah. Sarah 48:18 And it's like, well, he can only work at night. Perfect choice. Dave 48:21 Shh. Right. But they're not debunking it as part of the fabric of the show, yeah. Sarah 48:24 Right. Tara 48:25 That's the story, yeah. The egg the example I could think of is: didn't we talk about an SVU where Robin Williams was a psychic or pretending to be a psychic or something? Dave 48:33 Yeah, he wa and they had the battle at the sound stage thing at the end, yeah. Tara 48:37 Yes, right. Okay, so that's an example that I thought of where it's like sometimes you'll see a psychic on a cop show come in Sarah 48:38 Yeah, yeah. Tara 48:44 and then, you know, the point of the episode is to prove that they're a a fraud. Dave 48:48 Yeah. Tara 48:49 S Sarah 48:49 Mm Tara 48:49 I guess yes, I think that's fine. I I would say exception noted for a Halloween episode where like spooky things happen and they just leave it open 'cause, you know, just for fun, for the for the occasion. Sarah 48:58 Uh-huh. Tara 49:00 But yeah, if it's a movie or something where the rules for the world are not well established, I guess I I don't really care, but I, you know, that was the only example I could think of, like Dave 49:07 Yeah. Tara 49:09 psychics. Dave 49:09 Okay. All right, everybody, here comes your ask ask EHG question to answer. Comes from LT. In a world which Terriers got 10 spin-offs, Ala and CIS, who would you cast on the show Golden Retrievers? And what do those little scamps get up to? Shots fired at Seek and Go to the Ask Ask EHG channel in Discord or answer directly on our website on this episode page, and we will be back soon with judgment on that question. It is time for the tiny candid presenting this week. It is David T. Cole. I'm sending you back to May 2024. Deborah and Ava are on Ill-Fated. hike in the woods when the topic of international travel comes up in Hacks Season 3 Episode 5 Clip 49:57 All right, let's see. So one of the Florida affiliates is originally from London. So maybe some London based humor, though I've never been, so I don't know. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You've never been to London? No, I've actually never been outside of the country. Well besides Montreal. And I was supposed to go to Iceland, but that didn't end up happening But you've been to Paris. No, again, out of the country it would include Paris. Oh my god. You've never had real bread. Feel like I have? No, you haven't. Oh my god, you have to go to Paris. And Venice. You don't live to see the canals of Venice Saw the Ponto Vecchio on a microwave this morning. Sold out. Dave 50:44 Twenty-four episodes and two years later, in the hacks finale season five, episode ten, they are now both on the streets of Paris coming out of a bakery Clip 51:01 Un jour bois dans une fille d'un. I told you. God. Okay, you're right. I never have had real bread until now. You're welcome. That is so crazy. I literally don't talk with food in your mouth. Sorry. Dave 51:19 I thought the real bread line isolated back in 2024 was a really good piece of business. I commented about it at the time on the show. Old rich person 's surprise at a struggling artist isn't as cosmopolitan as they are and you just don't get to go to Paris when you want to because you can? Is a good piece of business. Also a good piece of business because the joke is about bread. Also, also, it's a good piece of business because it's very true. Real bread is transcendent And most people don't get to try real bread because it's expensive and kinda hard to get. Austin, not a great bread city It's really hard to find good bread here. So two years later, you get a callback, and I think it's a great callback. I was expect I was hoping for it rather, and they did do it. And it's a payoff. You know, they chose to close the loop on it two years later, 24 episodes later. It is also a testament to having a plan for your show. past the puck where they were going to be in that place was getting some real bread. Sarah 52:20 Mm-hmm Dave 52:22 So I'm impressed with that. So that is my argument for the first tiny callback cannon. Hacks real bread. Sarah 52:30 I will go first because prior to the uh I have not watched Hacks, and prior to this presentation I was a skeptic. I agree that it was a legitimate callback, very elegantly done, with a lot of space in between. But one of my pet Peeves is the my post grad Eurorail Pass gave me a PhD in all the foods America does wrong Like I I just can't I can't with those people. I used to date one of them and never again. And this is sort of basically endorsing that But on the other hand, I d I do live in a great bread zip code and I'm a little spoiled. I think that days Point about this being a testament to the show having a plan and as he put it, passing where they were gonna be, and then like not messing up the relay. I think is a really good one. So I am convinced. And also now I really, really want that crusty olive loaf from Fortigetta around the corner. Gotta go. Dave 53:32 I mean I could think of the bread I had as a child and how spoiled I was because we grew up in a very Italian community and we actually had small first generation run Italian supermarkets in town where you can just go and there were always fucking bacon crusty Italian this and that 's It was so good and then I moved away and I didn't realize every place didn't have access to this. Like kind of makes me sad thinking about it now. Tara 53:57 Uh-huh. Dave 53:57 But the one thing I forgot to mention that sells the capper to it Is that the whole conversation Ave aside is with a piece of bread in her mouth. Sarah 54:06 Yeah. Dave 54:06 Which I enjoy. Sarah 54:06 And a full baguette that she's carrying with her. Dave 54:08 Yeah. Tara 54:09 Mm-hmm. Sarah 54:09 Very nice. Dave 54:09 All right, tar. Tara 54:10 I'll also say we were spoiled by the era when your mother would make bread. When she got a bread maker. Dave 54:16 Remember when everybody was getting bread makers? Tara 54:18 Yes, but her Dave 54:19 Remember that year? Sarah 54:19 Yeah Tara 54:20 her bread was really good, I thought. Dave 54:21 Yeah. Yeah Tara 54:23 Um I like Ava have not been to pay or like A or Ava before the finale had not been to Paris. I still haven't. So, you know, I've had some good bread. I'm sure I haven't had the best bread there is. I would just like to say to Sarah's point about the URL pass, that might be what's going on with the writers, but Deborah is like one it's a huge streak in her personality that she you know, despite how crass her act is, she is a huge proponent of gracious living. Like she one of her big collections is antique salt and pepper shakers that she has like beautifully displayed in a Sarah 54:57 That I knew. Tara 54:59 custom cabinet like she knows the right thing. to do in every situation. She knows what to buy. Whatever you're buying, she knows the right thing. It might not be what she's selling to her like her fans who will just Let her buy anything she slaps her name on, but she is a little bit discerning. Like what happens right after the bread scene is they go to a drugstore in Paris and she's telling her, like, you put use this one on your face. This one on your neck, Ava's like, different for face and neck, and Deborah's like, oh my god. Sarah 55:27 Oh, my God! Tara 55:27 And also you have to put this one in a toothpaste tube because it's not legal in this days like this she just knows this shit so that's you know that's congruent with what we know about Deborah's personality but in the first clip the her tone on When I was like, I've had good bread, and Deborah's like, no, you haven't. Sarah 55:45 No, you haven't. Tara 55:45 Like so sad for her, legitimately sad. Dave 55:47 Yeah. Sarah 55:47 I know Tara 55:49 And like we've already said, the seeing that baguette, you can almost smell Sarah 55:54 Oh my god, you absolutely can. Tara 55:54 like the steam coming off it. It does make me want to get on a plane and get some real bread immediately. I will settle for I might go to Costco later, Dave, because we're low on stuff and I will get the Costco loaf that is also pretty good Dave 56:05 Yeah, maybe you can get a sample. Sarah 56:06 Don't stop the end cap, he'll beat you to death. Dave 56:09 Yep. Tara 56:10 Well, he's not gonna be there, but I won't, don't worry. Dave 56:12 Okay, let's put this to the vote. Sarah D. Bunting, real bread callback. Can it worthy or not? Sarah 56:18 Me we Tara 56:20 Nice. Uh yes, absolutely. Dave 56:23 Alright, so Real Bread from Hacks, you are hereby inducted into the Extra Hot Great tiny callback cannon. Clip 56:34 Americans love a winner. Yeah. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave 56:40 It is time to discover who are our not-quite winners and not quite losers of the week. I will go first, my not-quite winners. are Chris Condon and Jacob Phillips. Their comic book, That Texas Blood, which Dan Cassino turned me on to a couple of years ago, is getting a drama series adaptation at FX. It is sort of Western Noir kind of thing. Sarah, correct me if I'm wrong, but we were talking about the comic book criminal, and you ended up picking it up, right? And reading a bit? Sarah 57:09 Yes Dave 57:09 Yes, similar vibes, not quite as straight noir, but I think if you like criminal, you would like that Texas blood. So one to keep your eyes on Sarah 57:18 Cool, we'll do Dave 57:18 there. Not quite loser of the week, Amelia Clark publicly. Guys, you gotta stop this. You gotta stop volunteering Tara 57:26 I'm I'm saying Dave 57:27 information. Tara 57:28 if we say Sarah 57:28 Yeah. Tara 57:29 it over and over, no one listens. Sarah 57:30 Seriously Dave 57:31 Publicly admitting, when she did not have to, that she was so sad about losing her Emmy for the final season of Game of Thrones that everyone hated Bragguts, yes, that she skipped after parties to go home and pout about it. Just come on, Clark. Tara 57:46 Yeah. Dave 57:46 Get it together. Tara 57:47 There's a lot of editorializing by me since I was the one who put this headline in the talk, but I stand by all of it. Sarah 57:48 Jesus Dave 57:50 Sure. Tara 57:53 And I think we agree. Dave 57:53 Yeah, I mean just, you know, be gracious. Tara 57:56 Yeah. Dave 57:57 You have beaten the odds ten thousand times over to get where you are in life. Tara 58:02 Yes Dave 58:02 Just be grateful. And don't admit that you you can pout. You can be sad that you didn't win. You can think you deserved it. Tara 58:08 Tell your group text. Dave 58:09 Tell your group text. Tara 58:10 I mean be grateful that you got the nomination at all, because that season sucked ass, according to every person on earth who watched it. Sarah 58:16 Yeah, for real Dave 58:17 Yeah. Tara 58:17 So don't be greedy. Anyway. Dave 58:19 Sarah D. Bunting, not quite winner of the week. Sarah 58:22 Amores Perros, which was a 2001 film. Uh it's getting a series adaptation from Sofia Vergara 's production company. I am fascinated to see What that's gonna turn into. I saw that movie on a date, which like you know, old me, don't do that again Tara 58:37 Oh Sarah 58:40 if you find yourself back in 2001. Also, I can't believe it was 25 years. since that movie came out. But uh I'm really interested to see what they do with it. It's kind of a cool idea. My not quite loser is Noah Wyle be cause not for anything he said, but that he has to once again explain in a Vanity Fair interview how art works to pit fans who didn't like Dr. Robbie's arc in season two of The Pit. And like, I didn't love watching Matt either, but I feel like he's sort of addressing Like back when the Sopranos was on and was sort of at the height of its influence, there was that subset of fans who were like, Well, nobody got killed and they didn't do enough like gangstery Dave 59:24 Yeah. Sarah 59:24 stuff in the episode. And it's like, that's Dave 59:26 Breaking bad too. Sarah 59:27 I mean, that's what the show is about, like Dave 59:30 Mm-hmm. Sarah 59:30 nominally, but the old man in the sea is not really about going fishing. Like, please sort of zoom out even a little and understand what the show is trying to do. Dave 59:39 Yes. There's a scene from The Simpsons where Lionel Hutz is imagining a world without lawyers and it's just like the scene with like rainbows, people dancing, holding hands. Tara 59:48 Yes, it's a meme Dave 59:48 That is what TV would be if TV listened to those Sarah 59:48 Mm Tara 59:49 on mm-hmm Dave 59:52 sort of fans. Just everybody being agreeable, everybody being the kind of character they like Tara 59:53 For sure. Sarah 59:53 Yeah, exactly. Dave 59:57 with no dramatic stakes. Tara 59:58 Yes. Sarah 59:59 Yeah. Tara 59:59 And also, I mean I wrote about this when I a couple months ago for GQ. Sarah 01:00:03 Yeah, why didn't everyone read that? Hello? Tara 01:00:06 And I wasn't the only one to write it either. Like this was th something that everyone noticed. Like people are being really strange about the pit on social media. Sarah 01:00:15 Yeah. Tara 01:00:15 But it's also the factor of it's not just that like they didn't want they didn't like where Dr. Robbie's story went. It's like they better Have him sh ha they better show how wrong he was. He there better be a reckoning by the end of the season. I better see him say he's not going on his trip, blah blah blah. It's like This all takes place over a day. Like someone is not gonna change that much from 7 AM to, you know, ten PM in a day. Like you have to be Sarah 01:00:42 Yeah Tara 01:00:43 if you watch this show, you have to be okay with some things being left open-ended because that's That's how life is too Sarah 01:00:49 Yeah, and the reckoning choices mostly involve his death, so think about what you actually want. here. What you want is that incredible experience of watching season one and realizing that it was just a sort of very different Tara 01:00:57 much Sarah 01:01:04 show to what we were used to and that everybody was talking about it and it was an almost monocultural moment and you're not gonna recapture that And he gets into that too, sort of like the not sophomore slump, but just like this is a shift. That is the framework, and we can't like there's only so many mass casualty events that we can do like this is the storytelling that comes out of that and also your protagonist is sometimes a cunt like welcome to art Tara 01:01:34 Yeah. If you want everyone to get their absolute just desserts, watch the 911 franchise. It's that's for that's for people like the of that mindset. Dave 01:01:43 Yeah, you're right. Tara 01:01:44 And I say that as someone who watches it and enjoys it, even though I know it's, you know, s Dave 01:01:44 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sarah 01:01:48 Happier Tara 01:01:48 very silly. Sarah 01:01:48 living through lowered expectations, folks. Tara 01:01:51 Yeah. Sarah 01:01:51 It's on a pillow for a reason. Thank you, Dan Rogee. Tara 01:01:54 My not quite winner of the week is Matt Rogers, who is joining the cast of Mr. and Mrs. Smith for season two. I know that he is more than a Las Culturistas co-host, our peer in the industry. He is also an actor. He was in the Shrill episode that I got into the canon being very funny as a an assistant who's like rushing our protagonist along and giving her a water and being snitty about it. Uh I don't know what he's doing in the show. I look forward to seeing it because he really makes me laugh. And next holiday season if you have Paramount Plus with Showtime Watch his Christmas special, Have You Heard of Christmas? Like I do every year. It is so funny. A musical cabaret extravagance, uh, including a line in one of his songs, I'm a Fuck that Sarah 01:02:35 Oh, wow. Tara 01:02:37 Grinch. So that gives you an idea of what you will look at in Sarah 01:02:41 Sold Tara 01:02:42 That's a song about um the character in the movie How the Grinch Stole Christmas played by Christine Baransky, who's the sexiest slut in Newville, according to again this song. My not quite loser of the week, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Mayor William Reynolds, who publicly called out a Star of Love Island USA named Sean, I'm gonna say Rifle, R-E-I-F-E-L, because he quit his job as a cop in the town or city to do the show. Like, first of all Everyone who quits being a cop should be celebrated. That's A. B if he feels that he has more opportunity going on a reality show and then getting like flat tummy tea brand deals on his Instagram afterwards Consider whether you are paying people appropriately for the jobs they are doing in your vicinity. That's just what I would think. Dave 01:03:34 Oh boy. This is messy because now we have to do A L I U S A C A B Tara 01:03:42 That's right. And we welcome in our grandpas. Hey everybody, you missed Over an hour of discussion about Cape Fear 2026 edition, what Dave really remembers about the drunk Dave episode, and so so very much more. to the $5 level or $4 if you go annual. extrahotgreat.com/club is where you do that. And if you do, you get all of the archives that you've missed. Consider. Today's extra credit comes to us from Vandy. I called it how do you like them molasses? Because I think Dave picked it from the Ask EHD thread that was a little too meaty for Ask EHD, I believe that is. Dave 01:04:30 Mm-hmm. Tara 01:04:31 this topic's provenance. Vandy writes, they're letting you make a TV movie about the great Boston molasses flood. What's your pitch? Sarah, this is a true crime story, so why don't you go first Sarah 01:04:43 Fucking A. I am still thinking All these months later, about how much I loved Death by Lightning and how much I wish all historical docudramae were as self-contained and confident. So I would like the same production team and as many of the same actors as possible, depending on availability. So Matthew McFadden, Nick Offerman, Betty Gilpin, Shay Wigum, Bradley Whitford. But the entire team is gonna do a not pivot, but demi-pivot to a franchise model. In other words, an ongoing Death by series that tackles a different Turn of the last century, crime or disaster each time. In this case, of course, it's Death by Molasses. This installment will feature the experiences of various Boston families. including Anthony D'Estassio and his parents, Ben Feldman and Jamie Lynn Sigler, the response of then Massachusetts governor Calvin Coolidge, yes, same guy. And we are going with Bryan Cranston, a silent cal, look at a picture, I'm a genius. He'd been in office not even two weeks at the time of the molassester, and the attempts of his staff, including Michael Cyril Creighton and Austin Abrams from Dash and Lily. to manage the state's involvement, the intrepid Scientific American Reporting Team, that's Offerman, Wiggham, and Merritt Weaver, why not? who come to town to analyze the aftermath, and the brave cadets on the nearby USS Nantucket, who were the first responders to the flood under the command of H. J. Copeland, Gary Cole. On a side note, I would love to drag in the Secretary of the Navy at that time, Josephus Daniels and his assistant secretary FDR, but once you see the resemblance between Daniels and Kevin Spacey, you can't unsee it, you can't recast it, and I can't go there, so we won't. Side note number two, candy-related fires in New York City in the 19 teens alone are like five seasons of this shit. the Diamond Candy Factory fire in Williamsburg, the Rockwood and Company Chocolate Fire, which sent a mixture of molten chocolate and butter into the streets, with local kids running behind it tasting it The advanced novelty candy blew up on the Upper East Side in 1908. There's like an entire WordPress blog cataloging this shit. I forget what I was researching a few years ago, but it really did seem to pop off, literally, like weekly back then, and just everybody blocking the fire exits like a bunch of real robber barons. Anyway You could absolutely go in a more triangle shirtwaist direction with this series as well, but that is my pitch. I tried to come up with a slow TV pun for the title, but I had nothing. So Discord hit it I will link that WordPress in the show notes. Who is next? Tara 01:07:33 I'll go next because I have a feeling Dave came up with something demented. We should probably close it out I had heard of the molasses flood. I knew it was devastating. I didn't really understand how horrifying it was until I read about it for the purposes of answering those questions, so Dave 01:07:47 Yes. Tara 01:07:48 thanks. Dave 01:07:48 The Wikipedia gets into the non-Newtonian physics of molasses and how it's sort of like a pyro Sarah 01:07:52 Oh yes, lethal viscosity. Tara 01:07:53 Oh oh Dave 01:07:55 plastic flow from a volcano. Tara 01:07:59 Yes, viscosity is a word that comes up for sure. So Sarah 01:08:02 Mm-hmm. Tara 01:08:03 basically we're doing the pit, but in Boston, with a large helping of the Nick. We're sticking around a hospital. At the beginning, doctors and nurses from the neighborhood will say goodbye to their loved ones on their way into work so we can see a little bit about their home lives. only a very little. They discuss the recent decision by Purity Distilling Company Management to paint its tank Brown to camouflage how much the tank leaks on a normal day, and they comment on how unseasonably warm it is. All of these are factors in the disaster which then strikes Because we're in the hospital, we don't see such horrors as people getting crushed by debris and the molasses or horses drowning. Again, thanks, Fandy, because it would be too upsetting. Sarah 01:08:41 No, Jesus Tara 01:08:43 So the bulk of the movie is like the first couple of episodes of the pit after a mass casualty happens off screen or, you know, some uh the computers go down in the case of the second season. Patients are brought in, staff do what they can or what they know about to address injuries, because it's the past. Obviously a lot of patients die. Staff have to chase out reporters trying to get scoops. A purity distillery employee has to watch his wife die. A manager who comes in with a very minor injury gets recognized and then has the shit kicked out of him and everyone cheers. The tide turns, no pun intended, when first responders figure out they can attack the molasses with salt water, and in our final scene, the exhausted young Dr. Fisher, Austin Abrams, aka Shmimetha Chalamet, look him up. Sarah 01:09:27 Oh, we both '? Love that. Tara 01:09:29 Returns home after a shift, pours himself a glass of rum, and breaks down into tears because rum is made a molasses. Dave! Dave 01:09:37 Alright, I actually had some trouble with this one getting started. My first thought it would be like a two-hour TV movie pilot of the new X Files where Tara 01:09:46 Oh Dave 01:09:47 somehow it was a supernatural event. Sarah 01:09:48 Oh Dave 01:09:49 But I couldn't really spin it out to a full-fledged pitch. And then I thought, this really sounds like a 1970s TV movie. It has that sort of vibe to it. So I started like just collecting people that oughta be in it. Sarah 01:10:03 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:10:04 Lindsay Wagner, David Soul, Teddy Savalas, Carl Malden, Barbara Eden, who is in every 70s TV movie. Sarah 01:10:11 Yep. Dave 01:10:13 Yeah, Harry Morgan. Sarah 01:10:15 Kristofferson Dave 01:10:16 Yep. But then I thought, well, I think we need a more modern take. So what I ended up doing was just doing a quick story of the molasses through casting. So the biggest challenge was who is gonna play the molasses? And I thought, well, we need somebody that is used to being in the makeup chair for hours and hours and hours. So the molasses will be played by Colin Farrell, who had to sit in the penguin chair for hours on end every day. Tara 01:10:41 Great. Sarah 01:10:45 Uh-huh Dave 01:10:46 He will play molasses. The structurally unsound storage tank that exploded is played by Dave Batista. The train that it derailed when it exploded is Thomas the tank engine. Firehouse thirty one, which was swept off his foundation during the flood, is played by Rob Lowe's oddly sleek modern firehouse from 911 Lone Star. Boston is originally played by Bill Burr, trying to win back points after his appearance at the Riyadh Comedy Festival, but is replaced by AID fake of Ben Affleck. The Teamsters and Laborers are all played by the guys from 30 Rock with the really good sandwiches. Tara 01:11:27 Yes. Clip 01:11:27 My sandwich Dave 01:11:29 The salt water used to break down the molasses for cleanup is played by the water from Darwin's tank from Sequest DSV. Tara 01:11:37 Yes. Dave 01:11:38 And the movie ends with Morgan Freeman narrating this nugget from Wikipedia. Sarah 01:11:39 Wow. Dave 01:11:42 I can't do an impression. I wish I could. The cleanup in the immediate area took weeks. With rescue workers, cleanup crews, and sightseeers tracking molasses through the streets and spreading it to subway platforms to the seats inside trains and streetcars, to pay telephone handsets into homes, and to countless other places. It was reported that, quote, everything that a Bostonian touched was sticky. Sarah 01:12:10 Oh Dave 01:12:11 And I think this show Sarah 01:12:11 , Dave 01:12:13 could just be called like the goo. I think that's a good title for 2026. Tara 01:12:17 Uh-huh. Sarah 01:12:17 Mm-hmm, or Tara 01:12:19 Yep. Sarah 01:12:20 Visca City Dave 01:12:22 Oh yeah, winner. Tara 01:12:23 Mm. Dave 01:12:26 Well guys, that is it for another episode of Extra Extra Hot Great. We got cozy with the Bowden family on Apple TV's 10-part adaptation of a two-hour movie before answering your burning Ask EHG questions like who's your favorite queer character and how's that death ray coming along? Dave tasted real victory with its hacks bread callback tiny cannon. We celebrated those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week and wrapped it all up with our TV movie takes on the great Boston molasses flood. Next up is interview with the vampire on EHGprime. Clip 01:13:04 We're listening. Dave 01:13:08 I am David T. Cole and on behalf of Tara Ariano , Tara 01:13:11 No, you haven't Dave 01:13:13 Sarah D Bunting! Thanks for listening, everyone. We'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra Hot Great. Clip 01:13:32 You awful man, stay away from my son! Oh, I'll stay away from your son, alright. Stay away forever. No! Wait a minute. That's no good. Hello. Wait, I've got a good one now. Marge, say stay away from my son again. No! Dave 01:13:59 Oh no, really that's too much. Tara 01:14:01 Mm-hmm. Clip 01:14:07 This is Extra Hot Great Minis. Today's topic is your TV office. Hello. Joining us for our minis all this week is Eve Beatty. Hello Eve. Hi. And our first topic comes from me, and uh it is here's the setup, since rep representative Aaron Schock, R Illinois, has just been outed for redecorating his congressional office in the style of Downton Abbey. What shows decor would you like to steal for your own office? And I know we've done T V inspired house decorating ones before, but this was specifically just about your home office. Dave, why don't you start us out? I'm gonna go with uh Dr. Lyle from Penny Dreadful. He was the flamboyant hieroglyph whisperer. Sure. Whose office was part gentleman's study and part curio store. So all you really need to finish the Dave Cole trifecta there is some technology. So we're just gonna stick in two or three 5K retina IMAX. And are you gonna put like gilded frames around the edges of it so that they they blend in? No, because that would mess the color temperature when it would be photos and stuff, Tar. Come on, sorry. But uh yeah, it's the perfect this is the perfect combo It's like elephant heads on the wall, but also knick-knacks a plenty from lands afar. But it all has that earth tone kind of feel to it And then we add a couple pieces of technology so I can still be connected. Nice. Ah. Tara. Oh, mine is uh Carol from Episodes. Uh she has a she's a network executive at an unnamed network and her office is beautiful. It's all white. It's very clean. There's practically nothing on the desk. I know Dave was expecting me to say a coroner's office from CSI because that's my second inspiration. I like things to be very neat and tidy. But Carol's is uh it's all white and chrome and uh even though in my actual life I would never attempt anything like that, she has people that can come in and clean it for her. So what about uh Mallory Archer's faked out office from Archer this season. The hologram office that's all white. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one too. That's a that's also a good choice. Eve Um well I prepared too because I was concerned about this. Okay. And I'm preparing. So if we're just Talking TV office that I would be happy to move into. I think Angel investigations. I think that that's great because you have that huge lobby, you could have parties, not that Angel did, um, but you could have people over. And I as someone who works from home, I like the idea of being able to work from home, but also have all these different rooms. They showed the kitchen in one episode and it seemed amazing, not that I really use my kitchen, but you know If I had that place. Oh yeah. I mean the basement was crazy. I mean, it's I feel like the possibilities are endless. However, if we're just talking about decor inspiration. Um, I think that the Tyra Suite on top model would be a great place for me to create, you know, the various pieces of internet content that I create professionally. I'd have all the heavily photoshopped pictures of myself in various wigs emblazoned with words and phrases that I'm known for coining. Really the only things I'm known for saying a lot are Things are yucky and I hate you. But so that would be on the pictures. And um I think I might actually just do it anyway. I love it. Bravo. Sarah. Uh well I have two also because my home office is extremely teeny. So if I had more room, I would decorate it like uh Don's office on Mad Men with all the mid-century furniture and the actually no, Roger's office on Mad Men. Yeah. With the mid-century furniture and the bar cart. obviously and all the white leather eam stuff. But And but wait, also you have to borrow the pennant from dead guys. Yes I do. The the the Digimet's pennant well slame price. R I P. However My office is like six by nine. There's not enough room to dismember anyone. Not even a small cat who's being really annoying and knocking shit over, in theory. So The way Antara would lose her damn mind because I'm so messy in there and there's all these like whatever notebooks and post-its every place. But I would like to decorate it like um Gilligan's Island with panics. So that there's like vertical storage and I can relax and watch TV from near the ceiling. And uh I feel like it would make more I feel like it would make a little more room and uh leave some floor space available. This is exactly what I hope for. Excellent work, everybody.