Sticking Around For Spider-Noir

Clip 00:01 I know a terrific hamburger joint. Open all night. Let's sit. Talk it over. So you're not hungry. How about a drink? Last chance. Opium. Dave 00:19 This is the extra. Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 412 for the May 30th, 2026 weekend. I am Moody Monochrome Option David T. Cole, and I'm here with Handy Street Urchin-t Serie D. Bunting. Sarah 00:37 Dames, eh Dave 00:38 And Rub Runner Tara Ariano. Tara 00:40 Are you checking every crate because we're Canadian? Dave 00:53 I think I added a little little extra letter there to urchin, but Tara 00:56 I thought you did, and then I wasn't sure. Dave 00:57 enjoy the bonus episode with bonus letters Tara 01:01 Welcome to Extra Extra Hot Great Dave 01:05 Yeah Tara 01:08 Thank you for your support. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you again to everyone who showed up on Sunday for the drunk Dave episode. Dave 01:15 Has Tara 01:15 The Dave 01:15 a Tara 01:17 Effects were continuing to be felt for many hours afterward, but I think he's mostly back to normal-ish, as normal as it was. Dave 01:25 Except for my insatiable appetite for booze Tara 01:28 Yes. Dave 01:29 now Sarah 01:31 Welcome. Tara 01:32 Fortunately the taste I think deterred you. Dave 01:34 I kinda hate it so much. Tara 01:35 You will not for Dave's. Anyway, we're not here to talk about that. We're here to talk about sp Spider-Noir Dave 01:43 Spider Northern Tara 01:44 Spider-Noir. If you saw either of these so so far Spider-Verse movies and enjoyed the noir take on the character voice by Nicolas Cage, good news They spun him off into a series. Cage plays Ben Riley, a PI in Depression era in New York City, who is struggling to make enough of a living to pay his assistant, Janet Ruiz, played by Karen Rodriguez. He's also grieving a lost love he wasn't able to save, and he's trying to leave his alter ego, the spider, behind him. But the nefarious actions of a crime boss named Silvermane, Brendan Gleeson, may just force Ben's web slinging hand. And just in case you weren't sure, this is a live-action show. It was created by Oren Uziel, who previously wrote the screenplays for 22 Jump Street and Sonic the Hedgehog, although the list of projects he's been attached to and fallen off from is Kinda more fascinating than his actual credits. You can look him up if you're curious. Phil Lord and Chris Miller of Clone High Fame are executive producers since they also made the Spider-Verse movies. The whole eight episode season was released on MGM Plus May twenty-fifth. But since the company actually wanted people to know it existed, it also dropped on Prime Video two days after that. We may talk about events from any episode. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch Spider-Noir? Sarah 03:06 I had a feeling this was going to be either a definite no or a Hell yeah, and to my delight, it's a Hell yeah Tara 03:13 Hello, all right, Dave. Sarah 03:14 for me Clip 03:15 It could have been nicer. Tara 03:18 I thought it started okay, and then the longer the more I saw of it, the less interested I was. To lead with some positivity, here's what I personally like the most. The black and white cinematography I thought looked beautiful, especially later on in the season when Megawatt Sarah 03:32 Mm-hmm Tara 03:34 shows up. The design of the spider's costume, what we can see of it is interestingly thought through the like leather and a balaclava and glowing goggles and stuff. Janet was well written and acted. I'm interested to see more from Karen Rodriguez. But Sarah, you're the yes on the panel. What did you enjoy most about the show? Sarah 03:53 I liked that it took its noir world seriously. It took its world building and writing seriously, but there was a wit that they were able to identify elements of a period piece that they could plug into and heighten for the sake of tone, for the sake of the cinematography, which like I tested it in both black and white and color, and their eye for making it work. in both is really good. I switched back to black and white eventually because I just thought it gave more noir to me that they were able to leave the things about a quote verité period piece like a prohibition era New York PIknowing this many people of color and working with them on an ongoing basis is not necessarily realistic. Tara 04:48 Sure Sarah 04:48 But I think that hampers if you're trying to be too realistic, it's the spider. Like, you know, take what you need to make it visually compelling and just leave the rest because I thought the casting was fascinating. Do we feel like Lucas Haas is turning into Christopher Lloyd? Tara 05:08 Yeah, I can see it. Sarah 05:09 And also Nicolas Cage is I I mean, I think he's really too old to be playing this part, but he seems too be, I don't know, performatively oblivious to that fact. And he is also kind of turning into Jimmy Stewart a little in the face, which I think he's Tara 05:26 Yeah. Sarah 05:26 w aware of and maximizing. It was just like something a little bit different in a subgenre I like and very pleasurable to see how they were gonna do various things. Uh everyone's having an absolute ball, so that's fun. Dave 05:41 I didn't really get the impression everybody's having an absolute ball here. It kind of felt mu the whole thing felt muted to me, at least maybe compared to what I thought his potential was. I thought it was gonna be a more noari take infused with the energy that character had in the animated Spider-Verse films, which was much more Sarah 06:00 Mm-hmm. Dave 06:00 Uh, Fuck everything about this jocular sort of tone that he brought, which he does not bring here. He is saddled with his backstory of this Dead wife he couldn't save from the car in the river or whatever happened there. And I just felt like a lot of performances here I thought were gonna be bigger and grander in a comic book. tradition. Nick Cage, Gleason, I thought was quite dull here compared to what he brought in other roles like In Bruges, where he played Tara 06:26 Uh huh. Dave 06:27 similarly sort of Gruffy kind of guy. Disappointed ish. Like it didn't bring me down to like don't watch this despite my Chen check and binary decision. It just felt like it was kinda just there and it needed to dial up a lot of its attributes to sell me on what it was trying to do. Sarah 06:46 Interesting. I could see that, but I felt that that worked f for it that Nicolas Cage, if not sort of reined in by something, like I just felt like a sort of more bad lieutenant style Nicolas Cage performance or like Peggy Sue got married style was just gonna be like, that's too much. I did not want a an Al Pacino in Dick Tracy. feeling anywhere. So I did think that this was a little muted. I I had textured in my notes, but I thought that worked For it, I guess your mileage may vary. It's definitely not the same tone, character to character, as in the animated ones, which is not gonna work for everyone. I was fine with it though. Dave 07:30 The scene that I cut for the intro there where they're on top of the building and construction and the s uh Sorry, he's not the spider yet, but he's still doing spidery things. Just trading barbs with this other guy who ends up being the Sandman character. I thought that was closer to what I was expecting as a sort of baseline snappiness Tara 07:50 Uh-huh. Dave 07:50 and it does not continue very far Sarah 07:51 Mm-hmm. Dave 07:53 into the show. It becomes sort of saddled with a lot of other things. And there are little blooms of that energy here and there, but it they it doesn't sustain it. I was sort of disappointed by that. Tara, what did you think of his overall energy? Tara 08:06 Yeah, I agree. I mean I know we say this all the time, but that's because it's so often true. This would have made a very interesting movie. And I felt like the the amount of wit that we got, like there's a moment in the in the first episode Sarah 08:15 Uh-huh. Tara 08:18 Where Ben is uh he's tailing a Mark or a target for his an investigation. He's walking up a fire escape outside of a high rise. And he passes various people doing normal things and then a guy with a shirt off just covering his torso with postage stamps Sarah 08:33 Yeah. Tara 08:34 And he kinda he goes past and then he like you just see his arm come back in the frame to slam a to snap a picture. Sarah 08:40 Click Tara 08:40 Like that kind of stuff Sarah 08:41 That was good. Tara 08:42 I was into and my f did not feel like there was enough of it. And I sort of feel like this guy coming from features, maybe it was harder for him to like join a writer's room and sustain a story for eight episodes, which Dave 08:55 Baby Tara 08:56 I don't know that it needed that whole length, even for a show. Sarah 08:59 I I would agree with that. Dave 09:01 I realize we didn't watch for the possibility of post credits in episode eight, but I wonder if there is one, if the scene is some mysterious locale that's obviously not New York City. Perhaps there's a jungle landscape and there's like this mysterious end of Raiders of the Lost Dark looking crate Tara 09:17 But Dave 09:17 that starts popping open and then out comes the guy with all the post-stamps 'cause he's mailed himself somewhere across the world. That would have been a good ending to it. Tara 09:24 Yeah. That would have been funny Sarah 09:26 Oh, God, yeah Dave 09:28 There are moments that I like like that. I just s like I said in the preview, I was expect Expecting it to like be uh diving in further to its noir nature or being more of that spider verse animated film energy to it and it's sorta just never decided what it wanted to be between those two things. Like if this was it's a hard-boiled detective story and the detective happens to be able to shoot webs out of him and he says things like No, she was the kind of spider dame that could eat you alive and had eight legs that went on for miles. Like if that was a thing, it was just like, all right, fine. But It's not quite there and I kinda wanted more of that. Like I wanted it commit to to like a genre, I guess, you know. Tara 10:14 Mm-hmm Dave 10:14 I I think you'll have a fine time if you watch it. It's just like it immediately fell out of my head. Sarah 10:17 Yeah. Dave 10:19 It wasn't like essential. Sarah 10:20 Yeah, no and there's definitely filler. It's not like perfect. Like I really liked Li Jun Li as Cat Hardy. I thought she played that sort of stereotypical femme fatale really lightly. This is sort of what I mean about like not getting too cartoonish and again I understand it's about an irradiated Spider-Man I'm aware of the source material but She could have been a real, you know, one and a half dimensions. And I really liked their chemistry uh when they're meeting, but then her Her intro was like three times as long as it needed to be. We don't need to see the entire song, and it did just feel a little like, yeah, maybe this should have been. Dave 11:00 Yeah Sarah 11:03 a movie or another like segment in a line of the movie of the animated movies that's like, well we did this instead, and it's like two hours and five minutes instead of eight episodes. Dave 11:11 Yeah. Yeah, her intro is a real Temple of Doom moment. Sarah 11:16 Mm-hmm. Tara 11:16 Yeah Dave 11:16 Just speaking about characters that seem like they belong in a considered written genre piece and ones that perhaps are weaker When Megawatt comes into the picture later on, this guy seems to understand the assignment more than anybody else, a character that's playing that. And I feel bad for him because he's doing a really good job being that sort of amalgamation of A tough guy on the rise in a mob noir sort of setting, but everybody else is pulling back, so he seems like he's kind of being goofy. Tara 11:46 Mm-hmm. Dave 11:47 But I thought he fit what should have been the tone better, the way he's talking. You know, he's got all the energy going through him all the time, but you know, just Tara 11:53 Yeah. Dave 11:54 his manner really spoke to the setting, the time, the genre. And he just stuck out like a sore thumb because nobody else was doing that, you know? Tara 12:04 Yeah. Dave 12:04 Like Sandman played by um uh what's his nuts from Boardwalk Empire Tara 12:08 Yeah, semi Sarah 12:08 Jack Houston. Tara 12:09 pro Dave 12:09 Yeah, Sammy Tara 12:10 Jack Houston. Dave 12:11 yeah. Tara 12:11 Mm-hmm Dave 12:11 Like he wasn't really bringing it as the Sandman. You know, there's a couple just normal goons there that were okay, but I just again I just like there seemed to be differences on set about how far we wanted to go into this and like Sarah 12:23 Yeah, I don't know. Like maybe because I was expecting it to either be a complete mess, but like it is kind of all over the place totally, and like certain characters, like Dave said, seem like they are doing a different style like the the two goons who lose him on the bridge and that had a Johnny Dangerously vibe. Dave 12:44 Yeah. Sarah 12:44 to it to be Dave 12:45 Yeah. Sarah 12:45 parents complementary, but I mean it's like a B plus. It's not an A plus, but it is also perfectly cromulent to just watch if you like that world and it's not if you avoid Nicolas Cage projects as I tend to do because it's just like turned up to 13. That's not an issue here, good or bad Tara 13:03 Uh j I just had an intrusive thought and once it entered I couldn't stop thinking about it while we were watching this and it's that I would trade this whole season of television for f Five more minutes of 2020 Perry Mason. Sarah 13:15 Oh my god, yes, me too. And this is a intrusive thought that I allowed to intrude and then be extruded to Dan. Tara 13:23 Mm-hmm. Sarah 13:23 when I was like, yeah, you might actually like this, such and so, blah blah blah. And then we like got onto Perry Mason and I was like, maybe we should just rewatch that. I still miss that show. Tara 13:34 It's so good Sarah 13:35 I'm mad still. Dave 13:37 If Spider-Noir was an episode of Perry Mason, what would the end Tara 13:40 Yes. Dave 13:42 credits object be Let's play the game. We got another opportunity to play the game. Tara 13:45 Yeah, mm, mm Dave 13:47 You guys guess, I'll think about the objects it would be. Tara 13:50 I mean, if it has to be an inanimate object, leaving aside, I mean the obvious thing is spider. Dave 13:53 Yeah. Tara 13:56 I would say the bloody tip of Silverman 's sword, cane Dave 14:00 Caesword, yeah, yeah, a lamp Sarah 14:01 Ooh. Tara 14:01 sword, yeah. Sarah 14:02 Uh-huh. The lamp. Tara 14:04 The lamp that Janet's taking, yeah. Sarah 14:06 Janet's like, this is mine Tara 14:06 Mm-hmm. Dave 14:08 I think it's a postage Tara 14:08 Mm-hmm. Sarah 14:08 now Dave 14:09 stamp. Tara 14:10 Post a shampoo would be good. Sarah 14:11 Oh Dave 14:11 Yeah. Sarah 14:12 yeah. And then there's like this moment where he's like hiding in a closet and he needs to grab his hat off a shelf from across the room before he is discovered to be hiding in the closet and the thwip sound effect, which is like it's perfect. And then that's what it says in the captions. Dave 14:28 Yeah Sarah 14:28 thwip Tara 14:29 Nice Sarah 14:29 with a period after it, just thwip. I don't hate it. Dave 14:39 Alright, it is time for everybody's favorite question and answer segment in the history of the universe. It is time for Ask E A C Thwip. Sarah 15:04 I like it. Dave 15:05 Lowercase T, period. Alright, everybody, it is Ask E S G, which first means we must dispense with last week's Ask Ask E H G judgment. Let's spin the wheel of Judgment choosing! Twit, twit, twit, twit, twit, twit, twit, twit, twit, twit, twit, twit , twit. Sarah D. Bunting, you are our judge. Sarah 15:22 Excellent. I think I'm a fitting judge for this one, which comes from Dan Cassino. He asks, or says, I have never watched For All Mankind, but I understand that there's lots of little alternate history details that get thrown in. Could you make up a throwaway alt history fact that may or may not have happened in the space show universe Excellent question. And I believe, David T. Cole, you have a prospective answer. Dave 15:47 Yeah, COVID never happened, Sioux Plantation never went out of business, and the decision to hold all peace talks there solved all of the world's political problems over six months. Sarah 15:57 Uh that's pretty fucking good. Hand yourself a sticker There were a lot of excellent, hilarious, andor vengeful potential winners here, including Diana Joy saying the HIV AIDS pandemic never happened. thereby enabling a generation of gay bi men and trans femmes to survive, and spend their time continuing to fight for queer liberation rather than having to fight for their literal lives as they were dying en masse Parenthesis, I think about this one way too much, TBH. And I don't think you do think about it too much. I often think about that as well Julie suggested do the right thing and hoop dreams both win their rightful Oscars and no one ever has to talk about driving Miss Daisy ever again, which luckily does not affect Morgan Freeman's Career as a documentary VO artist because he also won Best Actor for Shawshank, relegating Forrest Gump to its rightful place as mid -entertainment. But our winner is our very own Adam 807, Adam Grosswirth, who says, On Star City, Tetris is created much earlier and is a global sensation dominating all areas of pop culture. As a result, Andrew Lloyd Webber becomes a huge pop star and never writes cats or phantom of the opera. We'll link to this in the show notes, but Tetris is a song arranged by Andrew Lloyd Webber and producer Nigel Wright, who collaborated under the pseudonym Dr. Spin. And it's a composition based on the theme to the Game Boy version of Tetris. This was part of like a mini trend of um like recreated video game music entering mainstream popularity according to Wikipedia, which Can attest. I had the uh version of Super Mario as my ringtone for a while because I am very cool who is fun and fun at parties. Um Adam also had an addendum. based on emoji reactions to his original, which was that Starlight Express still happens and is a massive success, and that is what put him over the top for me, because uh he must have known Somehow, who is judging? Uh, Mr. Grosswirth, please contact Dave on Discord for your stickers. And thank you so much to everyone. Tara 18:09 Remember we watched that movie about Tetris? Dave 18:11 Oh yeah. The Tetris political thriller. Tara 18:14 Yeah. Dave 18:15 Tetris? Tara 18:15 Uh-huh. Dave 18:15 Yeah. It was yeah, it was fine. Sarah 18:16 Mm-hmm. Dave 18:17 Well let's get into your questions for us this week. Ju True has our first let's answer this together. I am so so so enjoying the drunk day video episode. That's right. Didn't catch it, there is a video version of that on Patreon. Continuing. How much would be needed to chip in to get y'all to do a semi-regular video podcast? It's just so much fun to see you. Well, thank you very much, Ju True. Uh Let me just say this much. The drunk conceit works unedited. That's why we were able to do video Tara 18:46 Right. Dave 18:46 because it is flabby. by nature, and that's why I was okay with putting video out there. I don't know how to edit video. Anything that's gonna be video by nature has to be that kind of anything goes and it is okay to put it out there unedited. Because I don't know how, I don't want to learn, I don't have time to like figure it out. So I'm not against it in principle, but I don't know what that format could be where we would just do something and it would be okay to put it up as is. Tara 19:15 I think the problem would be if you started to learn video production, video editing, you would start adding features because you are a perfectionist and you would want the video to like have a lot of added value Dave 19:28 Yeah. Tara 19:28 and it would start taking over your life in an unhealthy way. You're almost maybe there with Dave 19:33 I was gonna say, I I see myself in what you're saying. Tara 19:34 the audio. Sarah 19:34 Yeah Dave 19:37 And I am acknowledging I don't have any more hours in the week to do anything like that. Sarah 19:41 , Tara 19:41 Right. Dave 19:42 I am chalked up on podcasts. I got a side project that I'm trying to get off the ground in my spare time. I absolutely cannot do video because The other thing is it doesn't put that many more asses in the seat versus the time it takes. Like it is a 3, 4, 5x situation as far as time goes Sarah 20:00 Mm, yeah, for sure. Dave 20:01 versus editing audio. Sarah 20:03 In terms of editing it, yeah. Dave 20:04 All right. Tara 20:04 Yeah Sarah 20:05 I just assumed it would be something more like the Mark and Sarah talk about songs happy hour or like extra hawk rate VIP lounge that it would be more like live. And you could release the audio, but it's like sort of a hybridized experience where if you're there, then you're seeing everybody. Tara 20:25 Mm Sarah 20:25 But then, you know, the product for people who are not present but listen to it later is audio only. Tara 20:26 -hmm. Sarah 20:31 And it's more of like a hangout experience in the moment and then minimal editing for Dave after that. Dave 20:37 Yeah. Sarah 20:38 But So I would have no objection to that. I, you know, put on lipstick for this, even though you can't see me, so Dave 20:42 Yeah. Yeah, I literally just trimmed the start and the end and put that video up. That's all I did. I didn't do anything else. Tara 20:48 There is actually at the um sixty seven fifty m milestone. There is weird shit theater where we would have a Zoom party. We'd all Dave 20:57 Right, oh Tara 20:57 watch something together and then discuss. Dave 20:58 yeah, right Tara 20:59 So there Sarah 21:00 Mm-hmm. Tara 21:00 there there is actually a number and that's it. Sarah 21:04 Mm-hmm Dave 21:04 Yeah. Tara 21:05 Um so, you know. Dave 21:06 Yeah, maybe that could be video, I guess. And that but that would definitely have to live behind a paywall because you can't put that up in YouTube. Tara 21:13 Or it would Dave 21:13 Something like that. Sarah 21:14 Yeah. Tara 21:14 right, or it would just be like if you want to see us, that's the live event, and if you miss it, you miss it, you know. Dave 21:18 Yeah. Right. Sarah 21:19 Yeah Dave 21:20 Yeah, I'm not against it. Sarah 21:20 I mean, yeah, I'm not against it either. Tara 21:22 Sure. Sarah 21:23 It's just like something edited on video is just gonna like exponentially increase Dave's stress level and who needs it. Dave 21:28 Yeah. Tara 21:30 Mm-hmm. Sarah 21:31 I'm not that cute. Dave 21:32 We're not saying no. Tara 21:35 We're saying no-ish. We're saying yes under extremely specific circumstances. Dave 21:41 Alright. Sully rhymes with Julie. O'Brien from Downton Abbey became an international assassin with a very particular calling card. after leaving down to nice try Sully rhymes with Julie. Tara 21:51 Mm-hmm. Dave 21:52 I'm not saying that word. Tara 21:52 Nope. Dave 21:53 Who on TV has she been hired to kill and what item did they slip on to cause their untimely demise, if you remember There is a soap-related near assassination on Downton Abbey. Tar. Tara 22:04 Well, it does kill a potential person. Dave 22:07 That's right. Tara 22:08 So in my imagining, we're going to Black Mirror where Mrs. Pick Vukar PM hired O'Brien to kill pigfucker PM by ironically slipping on a slice of uncooked bacon in the kitchen. Sarah Sarah 22:23 Not that she'd really need to try that hard to kill Kim Bauer from twenty four, but obviously Poor Kim is going to slip in some unfortunately placed cougar poo and hit her head on a rock. Dave. Dave 22:34 First of all, I think in circles, because you have to hire on the dark web, she's only known as the lather. Sarah 22:41 Sure Dave 22:42 She kills B1 from Bananas and Pajamas with an artfully placed human skin. Tara 22:47 Whoa, wow. Sarah 22:49 Oh Tara 22:50 I get it. Mm-hmm. Sarah 22:51 I get it Tara 22:51 It's a switcheroo. Sarah 22:52 too. Dave 22:53 Ambrose Chapel, would you be okay to live in a house where a murder had taken place? Murder house, Sarah, buying it. Sarah 23:00 Uh if I'm house hunting and I'm told that a property I otherwise liked had been the site of a murder, I would probably remove it from consideration. I think actually some states do have disclosure statutes. About that kind of thing. Dan is a broker, as you know, and my knee-jerk reaction to seeing a property that's like seems underpriced for the location is immediately like, d you know, w did someone was someone killed there? But if I already lived in a house and found out a murder had taken place there, like if I found out Fort Rad was like a I don't know, if we found bones in the walls during a kitchen reno, I'd just sage it out as the ancestors to protect me and stay. Because I'm I'm lazy. Dave 23:41 Are you worried about ghosts? Tara 23:43 Yeah Sarah 23:44 Yeah. I mean ghosts, but also, I don't know, just bad bad karma. Like if it's an unsolved murder, then that becomes a whole thing. Dave 23:52 Well, that's one of my things. So here's my questions. One, is the mess cleaned up? Do I have to deal with it? How recently was this murder? Sarah 23:59 Right, right. Dave 24:00 I mean, that's you know, I'm just putting it out there. I'm sure we all assume we're seeing the house and there's no giant bloodstain on the floor Sarah 24:08 Still the tape outline. Dave 24:10 Two, like is this gonna become a pizza roof situation where I unwittingly buy the murder house and then like all of like the crazy people like Sarah are coming in and want to see the murder house? Sarah 24:17 Right. Yeah, all of a sudden there's a party bus with the Dave 24:23 They're throwing dead bodies on my garage roof? No, stop doing that. So those are two good questions Tara 24:28 Mm-hmm. Dave 24:30 But I mean if the price was right, if I'm getting a substantial discount, I'm gonna say I don't care. And I remember my friend in high school bought a used car super cheap because somebody killed themselves in it Tara 24:43 Oh Dave 24:43 And there was still blood on the on the belt. Sarah 24:44 Oh Dave 24:47 On the seat belt. Sarah 24:47 Oh, Jesus. Tara 24:48 Oh Dave 24:48 But Tara 24:49 I I remember this now. Sarah 24:49 Yeah, no Tara 24:51 Yep. Dave 24:51 Okay, but really cheap. I mean it was cleaned, but Tara 24:54 As much as you can Dave 24:55 As much as you could clean a blood soaked nylon seatbelt from the eighties. Sarah 25:01 Oh my God Dave 25:02 But he got that for a song and it was a pretty good car. It was relatively new, so. You know, think about it is what I'm saying. There might be ROI there if you can deal with a little uh spookiness and a little blood. Tara 25:13 Yeah, I when I said yes before when you asked about ghosts, that was me answering on behalf of Sarah, not me Uh i i I also had assumedly you mean before I lived there, in which case, yes, uh yeah, I would be fine living in a house Dave 25:25 Oh yeah Tara 25:29 where a murder had Sarah 25:31 Oh yeah, a murder unrelated to your situation. That if it's like, oh, I just found out a murder took place because Dan finally killed the dog. Tara 25:40 Right. Sarah 25:40 Like, Tara 25:41 Right. Dave 25:41 Tara Sarah 25:41 no. Dave 25:42 has killed me and and decides to continue living in the house is something I can see happening Tara 25:47 No, no, I'm saying Sarah 25:47 Mm-hmm. Tara 25:48 if if Sarah 25:49 And would I would encourage, honestly. Tara 25:51 Yeah Dave 25:52 Moving such a pain. Packing, ugh, changing your Tara 25:55 It is, I don't want to move. Dave 25:57 forwarding your mail. Tara 25:58 I Dave 25:58 No, thank you Sarah 25:58 Nope, bathtub, lie, Dave, end Tara 26:01 Yes. Sarah 26:01 of Tara 26:02 Um I like this house a lot, despite the m many ways it has cost us money. Sarah 26:07 It could only be improved with Tara 26:08 Uh Sarah 26:11 Dave's bones in the walls. Dave 26:11 What Tara 26:12 Yeah. Dave 26:12 what problem Sarah 26:13 Sure. Dave 26:13 can that be proof with lie? Tara 26:16 Anyway Sarah 26:16 Uh Dave 26:16 Not bones in the walls. I I if if you're gonna do that to me. Tara 26:20 Mm-hmm. Dave 26:20 If I am going to become a part of the house, I would like my bones to actually be used as studs in a renovation rather than just thrown into the crawl space. Tara 26:23 Right. Mm-hmm. Sarah 26:27 , Tara 26:27 Sure. Yeah. Dave 26:30 That's my only request. Tara 26:31 Right. I I was thinking more Dave 26:32 Ha ha ha! That's my only Tara 26:34 like Dave 26:34 request. Right. Tara 26:35 I I wasn't thinking I was gonna kill anyone or you were gonna kill anyone, but like, you know, let's say we're having a party and a jealous ex Sarah 26:37 Noted Tara 26:43 storms in and kills someone. If a murder happened in the house while I lived here, I would probably not want to continue to live here. Dave 26:50 Oh, okay, well that's different. Tara 26:52 But I Sarah 26:52 Well, but if it's during like the third round of celebrity. Tara 26:56 That's true. That that is an instance where I might kill someone Sarah 27:00 And the person who put Deepak Chopra in the bowl gets killed. You're just gonna step over the body and continue to live your life. Tara 27:08 It's true. Sarah 27:08 It's just just my opinion. Tara 27:10 But in terms of house hunting, it wouldn't bother me, but I would pretend it did to try and get a a deal. Dave 27:15 Oh yeah. Sarah 27:16 Oh, oh yeah, sure. Dave 27:18 Yeah, absolutely. Tara 27:18 Yeah, exactly. Sarah 27:18 Mm-hmm. It's a negotiating tool. Absolutely. Dave 27:20 Yeah. Tara 27:21 Yep. Dave 27:21 Okay. Alright. Well that that question and gave us a lot more biology than I was expecting. Sarah 27:26 Yeah Dave 27:27 Alright, mill Sarah 27:27 , a lot more Dave 27:27 snack. Sarah 27:28 murder house strat than I thought. Dave 27:30 Strike Force Five, says Millsnack, hits the same pleasure center for me as Battle of the Network stars Brings people together who are roughly in the same role but for different networks and has them interacting. So here comes the question, which group of TV people would you like to hear talking together in a round table process y way about their similar roles across different platforms? Millsnack, it sounds like you're describing Dinner for Five. I'm just letting you know that show kind of already exists in the distant past, and if Sarah 27:55 Mm-hmm. Dave 27:59 you can stand Jon Favreau talking about his two second appearance in the Algonquin Table movie over and over again. Tara 28:06 Yeah, mm-hmm. Sarah 28:06 Oh my god. And his Rocky Marciano movie. Tara 28:09 Yep Sarah 28:09 Oh god. Dave 28:09 Yeah. It was a it was a relatively uh entertaining show. I don't know where you can you can even watch it anywhere anymore, but Tara 28:16 No, it used to be on YouTube. I'm not sure if it still is. Dave 28:18 Okay, well, you know, you might want to watch that. It would be a time capsule, but I think it would definitely give you that Strike Force V flavor, which is the late-night talk show thing, right? Tara 28:28 Yes. Dave 28:28 Yeah. All right. Tara 28:30 Close up with a Hollywood reporter used to do this on TV.where, you know, before the major awards like before the Oscars, they would do movie people, before the Emmys, they would do TV people, obviously, but they would assemble expected award nominees in particular categories. And they do still do this. The TV ones are starting to come out now, but they're only online, and I know that, but I don't like them enough to want to take one extra step to find them on my TV now that they're only on YouTube versus I could just, you know, record them from whichever channel I ordered it, IFC. But if that's your thing, go find all of the round tables from the Hollywood Reporter. They have been doing them for years. Dave 29:08 Sorry, what is the name of the Algonquin Roundtable movie I'm trying to remember? Tara 29:12 Mrs. Parker in the Vicious Circle Sarah 29:14 And the vicious Dave 29:15 Thank you. Sarah 29:15 circle. Yeah. Back on previously. tv when I was doing the D45 rewatch, it was like Rocky Marciano, check. Tara 29:22 Mm-hmm. Sarah 29:23 Mrs. Parker mentioned check Tara 29:25 Oh, well if you know how to find it, it is on the internet through methods, so you can find the complete series if that's something you wish to there is a good idea. one seed Dave 29:36 Flight to Cyber Britain. Tara 29:38 mm-hmm Sarah 29:40 The list of dudes who have played Ted Bundy is Fucking wild. An incomplete, by the way, list includes Mark Harmon, Zac Efron, Corin Nemec, for Fuck's sake, Chad Michael Murray. Michael Riley Burke, Luke Kirby, James Marsters, and Cary Elwes. And I would just like a sort of ongoing, like, you know, I played Ed Gein type of thing that's like, how do you get into a role like this? Uh Ryan Murphy actually would be a good Dave 30:13 Only if they all do the voice. Sarah 30:15 Huh Dave 30:15 Sorry, only if they all do the voice. The Ed Gein Table. What was your process, mother? Sarah 30:22 Well, I just watched a Simon from the Frisky Dingo for many times, and this is why we can never go back to Arizona. Dave 30:30 Hearing this gives me a theory that the origin of the Geen voice was the uh The senior citizen who wanted to come too are the Simpsons. Can I come to that lady? Clip 30:46 That's not my mother. I'll be back in a jiffy. Did I come to Dave 30:57 Jovial Gent like Nailed at what reality competition show would be more entertaining if the contestants suck at what the show is challenging them to do. Tara 31:08 Um None. Sorry, I get a little of this on Drag Race when they have a sewing challenge and multiple queens don't know how to sew and they require help. It's not more fun. I would rather see people doing things that they can do well, well, which is also why, as we said recently on Project Runway, it's increasingly annoying that almost every challenge, including like the avant-garde challenge, is one day. Sarah 31:32 Can I go next? Because I actually had a reference to Tarzan my exchange about that in my own answer. There is no good answer except possibly Bravo 's work of art, Colonel the next great artist. It was not structured properly in my opinion. It did need to be more longitudinal or give the artists more time for the challenges. As I said in our Project Runway comments in the main show's summer preview episode, it's actually not that fun to see everybody turning in C work. But if you did this with work of art, you could A, retitle it Work O Fart, and B, cross it over with the Museum of Bad Art in Massachusetts and just like Turn a bunch of people like yours truly who nobody wanted to team with in Pictionary because they couldn't even draw a state figure loose on like clown paintings. Tara 32:25 You know, saying people eat shit on wipeout, that's something that's different, or holy moly or whatever. Sarah 32:29 Sure. Tara 32:30 But if it's something where it's you're assembled for your skills in a field. I would like to see your best, Dave. Dave 32:37 Sorry, I've had this key primed because Sarah said the word fart and then she went too quickly to everything else, so I just gotta release the key now. Tara 32:49 Sure, that was releasing the key. Dave 32:49 All right. Sarah 32:50 Release the key, A. Tara 32:52 Got it Sarah 32:53 Uh-huh. The key is F sharp Dave 32:56 I hear and I agree with what you're saying. We did say recently, yes, that it would be nice to actually have the opposite of this, which is give people more time to do it properly so we can see what they can actually do under non-artificial restraints. Tara 33:10 Yes. Dave 33:10 uh constraints. Tara 33:11 Mm-hmm Dave 33:12 And that said, what if we can do something where we just bring in people that are nailed to terrible at something, but don't base a whole show around it. Just have Like let's say the equivalent of a Christmas special where you just have one of these once a year and then we're done with it. Tara 33:29 Mm-hmm. Dave 33:30 If we could have terrible cooks on Iron Chef once a year Sarah 33:35 Mm-hmm. Dave 33:36 presented with food things they have no idea what it is and they're making it, but with all the trappings of Iron Chef because when you have that like polite color commentary and stuff, and then you have like Just like mom cooking challenges where they're like, here's a cookie, I made it with vinegar. Like, and then they have to like do all the iron trap uh all the iron chef stuff with that in front of them. That could be entertaining, but not as a show. It just is like a one-off special and then we're done. I think like there is a limited shelf life for that kind of thing, as it were. Sarah 34:08 Yeah. Dave 34:08 Dr. Calhoun, Adam's Family, or The Monsters, OGtV shows only. Sarah. Sarah 34:15 Neither. I've never enjoyed either show. If it's pain of death, monsters, I guess, Tara. Dave 34:20 Hmm. Why Tara 34:21 Mm. Dave 34:21 wait, why? Sarah 34:22 They're not funny Tara 34:23 No, why monsters? Dave 34:23 No, why Munsters over Adam's family? Sarah 34:25 I don't know, less unfunny. Dave 34:27 Hmm. Sarah 34:27 And also that was Dave 34:28 Okay. Sarah 34:29 I think I've had more exposure to that one just in terms of like, you know, that uh that P like uh what is the word I want? Boring Valley, midday when you were homesick, the chicken pox, and it's like, oh, here are the black and whites, Gilligan Dave 34:41 Oh yeah. Sarah 34:45 and the monsters. Dave 34:46 Yeah. Fucking bewitched again. God damn it Sarah 34:49 Mm-hmm. Tara 34:52 I would say the Adams family, because its genesis was more organic, it was based on the cartoons from The New Yorker by Charles Addams and um I also have had very little interaction with either show, but I did like the Adams family movies in their day. The f the original ones, not the animated ones or Wednesday or Whatever. Dave. Dave 35:12 Are the monsters just a ripoff of the Adams family then? Is that the timeline probably? Tara 35:16 I mean, I assume so, but they did actually 'cause I looked it up, but I was curious. They premiered like Five days apart or something. Dave 35:22 Oh really? Sarah 35:23 Mm-hmm. Tara 35:23 Yes. But Sarah 35:24 Yeah. Tara 35:24 Adam's family was first, but the source material was far before that. Dave 35:27 Right. Yeah. So this is the monster version of our Robin Hood movies in the nineties where there's ten at the same time. Sarah 35:35 Or Tara 35:35 Yes, yes Sarah 35:35 thirty rock and studio sixty, yeah, kinda. Dave 35:37 Right. I don't think I have seen one episode of either of those shows. I've seen the movies, the Adams Family movies, but I don't think I have seen either of the TV shows ever. I get the feeling that Adam's family is more subversive than the Munsters, so I'd probably go with that one just because it seems to have more of an edge. But for the longest time, I thought grandpa from the Monsters with the he vampire hair? I thought he was from the Addams family for a long time Sarah 36:02 Mm-hmm. Dave 36:04 when I was a kid until until I saw Uncle Fester, probably in some movie context, and then I like, oh, those are two different things. So That's how familiar I am with the with these two shows. But I would gather Adam's family is probably the better show. From what I know Darren Glass, your discussion of the facts of life made me wonder about other shows where the show itself made a huge cultural impact, but nobody in the cast went on to have any lasting cultural impact in the rest of their careers. What are other favorite examples of this phenomenon? Uh Superstore is the first one that came to my mind. It shone brightly for a while. It was saying a lot of good political things and There's a lot of great performances in it and nobody has really emerged from the superstore series with much of a career. Tara 36:53 Other than people who are already famous, like America Ferrera. Dave 36:55 Yeah, but what has she done since? Tara 36:57 She was nominated for an Oscar for the Barbie movie. So, you know, there's that. Dave 37:01 Whatever. Whatever. Okay, fine. Yes. New talent then. Tara 37:06 That's what I'm saying. Dave 37:07 Yeah. Tara 37:07 For the new talent, they have not been able to capitalize it on the uh on it the way I would have liked to see. Dave 37:12 Yep. All right, sir. Sarah 37:14 I really struggled to find a show that I felt fit to brief that had like a lasting impact as a show, but then nobody in it really stayed noteworthy. Like either the show that I was thinking of wasn't really water cooler material when it was big or enough of the people in it persisted, so to say, that it didn't qualify. So I went with in the heat of the night which jumped off a Vanguard film. It did star Carol O'Connor as Bill Gillespie, but he was obviously already famous. Nobody else in the main cast jumps out at me as a name except Carl Weathers, who Ditto already famous and was a late season replacement for the Virgil Tibbs actor. Anne-Marie Johnson is a huge name to us, Alicia, but um not Not really. And my other question is how big that even was. That's just one of those shows from like my late teens that like it was always on. It was always being advertised. I think it was in the year end top ten for several years but I think it also aired on Saturday, and I've never seen a single frame of it. So I guess that's my answer, but I don't know if that's like meeting the brief. I tried. Tara. Tara 38:30 Melrose Place, huge hit in its day. Most of the original cast are working actors now, if that. Like none of them are huge names. Sarah 38:38 Mm-hmm Tara 38:39 Even Heather Locklear I don't think has ever matched that level. and like she didn't parlay it into a movie career, like none of them really did. And Courtney Thorne-Smith arguably had another zeitgeisty moment going on, Ally McBeal. Sarah 38:53 Sure. Tara 38:54 But we don't really see her now. She had a sitcom. I don't think it's well regarded. She was a recurring guest on Two and a Half Men. That was kind of the pinnacle. Like, it's not great. At the very least we should have we sh we owed Thomas Calabro more. Sarah 39:09 Yes. Oh my God, yes. Dave 39:10 Mill snacks back, chopped style. What dish would you make with the last three food photos in the Discord food thread at the time you read it to answer this question? All right, a little bit of backstory. I got this question first, obviously, because I'm the one who puts together the segment and the questions for the week So as soon as I went and looked at the thread and got my three miserable selections, I then started adding miserable food things in the hopes that when you guys saw them, there you I was putting like a guy with a giant burger, a lemon eating a lemon, a giant wheel of blue cheese, raisins. Sarah 39:45 Uh-huh, bitch. Dave 39:47 But then I think people started posting after that. So I'm not sure where you guys landed in the food thread for your answers. But let's find out. Fingers crossed, you're all talking about raisins. Here we go, Tara. Tara 39:58 I mean I wasn't happy to go to the food thread. I never do. I cook about four things. I don't care. Food channels none of my business, but Dave 40:05 It's not all about cooking. It's all about there's a lot of like here's this new amazing junk food thing you could eat, put it in your face. Tara 40:10 Hmm. I assume you'll just tell me. Dave 40:12 Yeah, all right. Tara 40:12 So that said, I guess I'm taking a Migas taco, maple syrup, and California raisins and trying to Turn them into a high protein oatmeal dish, Sarah? Dave 40:24 Oh. See, wait, hang on a sec. Sarah 40:26 Oh Tara 40:27 Yes Sarah 40:27 horse Dave 40:28 Migas and maple syrup, you're almost out of McGriddle Tara 40:32 For sure. Dave 40:32 And then the raisins sort of Fuck it up. Tara 40:35 R Dave 40:35 I don't really know. Tara 40:35 uh well Dave 40:36 Like the texture is bad for that. Tara 40:36 , that's what they do, yes. Dave 40:37 I know you guys don't like raisins. I wouldn't want raisins in that mix either. Tara 40:41 Mm-hmm. Dave 40:42 But the first two, I don't know. Tara 40:44 Yeah, no. Dave 40:44 I might take a few bites of that Tara 40:45 I'm not mad. Sarah 40:46 Yeah. Dave 40:46 Yeah, okay. Tara 40:46 I'm not mad at that. Dave 40:47 All right. Sarah 40:47 If you macerate the raisins in the maple syrup and then it's sort of like a jelly Dave 40:51 Hmm. Yeah. Sarah 40:53 I don't like it, but Dave 40:54 Yeah. Nobody likes a compote. Tara 40:56 No, anyway, Sarah. Sarah 40:57 Yeah, I got raisins, dark maple serpent, blue cheese. Thanks I had just been talking like an hour before I read this item with my dad about how my grandmother, his mother, chose violence in her coleslaw and just put I mean she did this in a lot of things, like is that a lima bean in a Putinesca? How dare you? She'd be like, How dare you? I don't like that kind of talk. But she put like Okay, carrots, fine. Raisins and coleslaw? No. And then roquefort bits? Tara 41:34 Oh God. Oh Sarah 41:35 Choices are being made and we disagreed with all of them. Um, so I think you're at Louise 's demented coleslaw. including blue cheese, raisins, and then a little dark maple syrup drizzle. So it's breakfast slaw Tara 41:51 Well, sometimes coleslaw is like sweet ish. Dave 41:55 Yeah, yeah. Sarah 41:55 Yeah, that's the only Tara 41:55 I I can see it Sarah 41:57 that's the only angle I could come up with. Dave 41:58 It shouldn't be. Sarah 41:59 Um Tara 41:59 It shouldn't be, but it is Dave 42:01 Yeah. Tara 42:01 sometimes. Sarah 42:01 Yeah, well, here's the good news. Tara 42:01 Yeah. Sarah 42:03 If you make this, a portal opens up to Hell and you can just jump in and end it all. Dave 42:08 Okay, great. Tara 42:08 Oh, I thought you were gonna say Sarah 42:09 Dave. Tara 42:10 and say hi to my grandma, which was gonna be really dark. Sarah 42:11 Yes oh no. I don't think this was enough to send her to uh the bad place. Dave 42:17 Oh my god. Tara 42:18 May she rest. Dave 42:19 That's one of my favorite things you've ever said in this podcast, Cara. Sarah 42:22 There were a few there were a few things that came out at family dinner that like a few edits that my uncle would just like Tara 42:30 Uh-huh. Sarah 42:31 look at it. push his chair back and walk out into the yard and just stand there laughing and smoking and then you just come back in and be like it's a pork roast and there's a slice of banana Tara 42:43 Yeah. Sarah 42:43 where are we Dave 42:44 What happened to old people? I'm gonna say your grandmother's cooking days probably spanned the sixties, yes, right? Sarah 42:51 Uh yeah Dave 42:52 Sure. So like the 60s and the 70s, where you got that, like those cookbooks that horrify people, you know, things uh suspended in jello, raisins and things and stuff like that. Sarah 43:03 Yeah, from the Jell O Council. Dave 43:05 What happened to these? Is it the leaded gasoline? Is that why the 60s dishes are like that? Is that why we have people that put raisins in coleslaw? Was it brain damage? Sarah 43:16 Well, in my grandmother's case, it was the depression Tara 43:19 Right. Dave 43:19 Yeah Sarah 43:19 and you worked with the ingredients you had. Dave 43:21 , Sarah 43:22 Like this was not a fun theory for a reality show. Tara 43:25 Mm-hmm. Sarah 43:25 This was like, let's find a way to get the thing we could afford to taste eight different ways. Tara 43:29 Right. Mm-hmm. Dave 43:31 Somebody tell grandma the depression was thirty years ago. Tara 43:33 Well that's Sarah said her cooking started in the thirties. Sarah 43:35 Well, grandma's been dead for 30 years herself, you fucking tell her. Go to go to a murder house, open a portal, and Dave 43:40 I can't Sarah 43:42 talk to her yourself. Dave 43:43 I'm too well behaved to go to Hell where your grandma lives. Tara 43:47 To a Sarah 43:47 Yeah. Tara 43:48 to answer your actual question though, why those weird foods proliferated in the sixties, I think it was like the innovation was Dave 43:53 Yeah. Tara 43:56 exciting. Dave 43:57 Yeah. Tara 43:57 You know, it's like me when I see Sarah 43:58 Mm-hmm. Tara 43:59 Doctor Doom Oreos. Like, I don't care about Doctor Doom or Oreos really most of the time. But when you have a new food that you it says on the package it changes color. Yeah, I'm interested. Dave 44:10 And and yet you're shitting on the food channel, which is like half half the channel is like here's this weird shit. Sarah 44:10 Mm-hmm. Dave 44:15 I guess I gotta buy it. Tara 44:16 All right, I'll l I'll read the food channel for the next week. Dave 44:20 Hey yeah, live your life. All right. And it here are here's what I had. I think you guys actually got better choices than I did. Tara 44:26 Mm-hmm. Dave 44:27 Because there were three pitchers. One of them was definitely food. Two of them technically food. So I felt I had to deal with it. Tara 44:32 Oh. Okay Dave 44:33 Here, the first one was a gif of a Devo video with a guy shoveling hay. Tara 44:38 Sure. Dave 44:38 The second one was a dog jumping a fence. Tara 44:41 Yes. Dave 44:41 And the third one was a picture of blackberry raspberry crisp pie or something like that. Tara 44:46 Mm, okay. Dave 44:47 So I had to combine them to make farmers surpies. And the surprise is that there's a dog sleeping in the middle of your pie on his bed of hay. Tara 44:57 Aw. Dave 44:58 Yeah. Tara 44:58 Cute. Dave 44:59 Yeah. Tara 44:59 So wake him Dave 45:00 Nope. Tara 45:00 up Dave 45:01 Diatho, what's your favorite Haribo shape? And that's the not Japanese, which I've learned recently. Tara 45:07 German Dave 45:08 King German gummy bear manufacturer. Tara 45:10 mm-hmm Dave 45:10 Uh t this year I learned. Sarah, not flavor, shape. Sarah 45:14 Mmm, shape. The cutest shape is the cherries. I never get them because I don't like fake cherry stuff, but they are adorable, truly. Good enough to eat. Dave. Dave 45:25 Why can't we, speaking about flavor science and the sixties and basically everything trying to be astronaut food? Why can't we here in 2026 develop a cherry flavor that does not taste like cough syrup? What's up with that? Science. Sarah 45:41 I don't know if we can. I think that might just be Dave 45:44 Above beyond our capabilities. Sarah 45:46 Yeah, no, just like psychological correlation going back to very early childhood. Dave 45:50 Yeah. Sarah 45:51 Might not be possible to unbraid those. Dave 45:53 Alright. I've never had anything but a bear shape from Haribo products, but I went to their product page. And they have a bag of gummy stuff called Starmix, which Tara 46:03 Hello. Sarah 46:05 Mm-hmm Dave 46:05 for some reason, and I can't figure out why, has a fried egg in the mix. Tara 46:10 Oh my God Dave 46:11 There is a bear, I think like a a Coke bottle, a smiley face, or a heart or something like that, and something that might be like a top of a soda can or something like that. And then also a fried egg. And it's called Star Mix. I don't actually think there's a star shape in it, which is whatever But there is no egg anywhere else in their product line. Tara 46:30 Yeah. Dave 46:32 There's no egg anywhere else in their product line that I could see. Tara 46:34 Hmm Dave 46:34 And I thought it was just basically their version of bits and bytes. Tara 46:37 Yeah, yeah Dave 46:38 Where it's like whatever falls off the conveyor bell it gets thrown into the vat and it's like, mmm, Star Mix, delicious. So I don't know what's going on there. The fried egg is an outlier in that mix, but it is definitely the most intriguing shape. But It is not gummy, uh like uh gelatin looking. It is it is opaque. So that makes me feel like it would be more moussey, foamy if I put it on my mouth. Not the question. Tara 47:02 Mm-hmm. Dave 47:03 Shape, my favorite. I'm guessing the taste is terrible Sarah 47:05 Mm, yeah, like the buttered popcorn. Dave 47:06 though. Yeah. They are the Adams family of Haribo shapes. Sarah 47:09 Jelly bean. Dave 47:11 They are the subversive ones. Sarah 47:11 Mmm Dave 47:12 Alright, tar. Tara 47:12 Dave, guess what? I also picked the fried egg. Dave 47:14 Alright, great. Sarah 47:15 Close the portal. Dave 47:18 Jovial Gent. Oh. Oh you well you paused for so long. I thought that was all you had to say. Tara 47:23 She said, Close the portals. Sarah 47:23 I said close the portal. Dave 47:24 Oh that portal. I thought you meant the portal to Hell. Tara 47:28 No Clip 47:28 Enough! I'm so sick and tired of hearing you people talk about food, food, food! Dave 47:30 We're closing the portal. Say goodbye to grandma. Alright, Jovial Gen. Fuck Mary. Do you like the zoo storyline where your grandmother went to Hell as a dude Tara 47:39 Sorry, Sarah Sarah 47:39 Where Dave 47:39 if Sarah 47:39 poor Louise and her little white gloves sitting in a lake of fire. Sorry, Grandma. Dave 47:46 Fuck, Mary Kill, says Jovial Gent. One Batman sixty-six, Alfred Pennyworth. Two, Batman the Animated Series Alfred Pennyworth, or three, Pennyworth, the origin of Batman Butler's Pennyworth. Those are your choices. I mean, I think you have to Fuck the origin of Batman Butler's Pennyworth from the recent series. And then I guess I would say marry Batman 66 Alfred. Traditional Alfred doesn't seem to be the marrying type though, but let's just go with it. I'd rather live in 66 Wayne Manor than a cartoon one So I guess that means I'm going to kill the animated Alfred Pennyworth. I don't know anything about him. I've never watched that show. So Fuck him. Tara 48:30 Yeah. Dave 48:31 I guess you're gonna go meet Sarah's grandma in Hell. Tar. Sarah 48:35 Oh my god. Tara 48:36 Fuck Batman66, Alfred. I'm into the glasses. Mary Pennyworth, Alfred Pennyworth, because he's the hottest. and kill the Alfred from the animated series, that bald bitch. But I'm also gonna throw in Justice for Harley Quinn Alfred, who's voiced by Tom Hollander and who is a very chic like uh He looks sort of like a John Waters times what's the w sing Captain Gentleman, what's his name? Dave 49:05 Yeah, Colonel Gentleman, yeah. Tara 49:05 Colonel Gentleman from from Venture Brothers. Dave 49:07 Yeah. Tara 49:07 He looks kinda like that. So I wish he had been in the mix, but he was not. Dave 49:09 Oh Ah no, the Mallomars! My tits are back! Tara 49:14 Sarah. Sarah 49:16 I'm going to Fuck the animated series. Alfred Dave 49:19 Wow. Sarah 49:20 Mary Pennyworth Alfred. He's probably too young to even have that be Legal, but we'll see and kill sixty-six. I I can't. Dave 49:30 Wow. Three different answers. Rare. Tara 49:32 No, Pennyworth Alfred is like he's in his thirties. Dave 49:35 Yeah. Tara 49:35 He's not that young. Sarah 49:35 No, okay Dave 49:36 Yeah, yeah. All right, that's it for your question for us. Let's get into your ask ask EHG question for you to answer. It comes from C Kent. He says, I am not a crackpop, but Rooster and RJ Decker premiered almost at the same time, but the Speedman show about a downness luck guy should have been called Rooster, while the show about a college professor should be the one called RJ Decker. What are other show pairings you think would be better represented by switching their names? That is your question. You can go to our Discord, Ask Ask E H G channel, put your answer there, or you can answer on our site now. Just login with your Patreon and the site will give you a form right there in the ask ask EHE section in the rundown. We'll be back next week with judgment. It is time for the Extra Hot Great tiny cannon presenting this week. It is Steel Meal. Eric. Take it away, Eric. Clip 50:34 My next guests are very talented and original, and they make me laugh too, also. They're pretty good. Musical duo, they're from Brooklyn, New York. They'll be in Dallas at Club A on April 9th and in Austin at Liberty Lunch on the 10th. This is the new album which I bought before I realized I could have gotten it free here tonight. Please welcome They Might Be Giants! Hey, extra, extra hot grate. For the musical performance Tiny Cannon, I'd like to present They Might Be Giants, doing Birdhouse in Your Soul on the Tonight Show starring Johnny Carson, April 3rd, 1990. with J Leno guest hosting. To set the scene, I'd say at this point the monoculture was dead but nobody knew it yet Twin Peaks was about to premiere in a few days. They Might Be Giants had just released Flood, their first major label album, and they were still more used to playing with a tape recorder than a full band. Jay Leno awkwardly introduces T MBG to an audience that had overwhelmingly never heard of them, and probably didn't have a huge appetite for quirky Brooklyn art pop. John and John start playing at a much faster tempo than the single version. I'm your only friend, I'm not your only friend, but I'm a little glowing friend, but really, I'm not actually your friend, but I am I've heard that this was a that thing you do situation, where in rehearsal the drummer had started playing too fast and everyone just went with it. This would become the standard for how TMBG would play Birdhouse live in the future, something they still do at nearly every show, 35 years on. There's a moment where John Linnell closes his eyes while he's singing, like he's trying to make sure he remembers this feeling. Then on the bridge, Doc Severinson, a guy who would have been much more comfortable backing up Sinatra than these two weirdos, just goes off on his trumpet solo He's absolutely giving it his all and having a great time! So for being both a kick-ass version of one of my all-time favorite songs and a distilled moment in time where we can watch the culture undergoing a massive shift I believe this performance belongs in the tiny canon. Tara 53:03 Thank you, Eric. I should go last. So, Sarah, why don't you go first? Sarah 53:08 Okay. I loved this presentation. Thank you, Eric. This is the very first They Might Be Giants song I ever knew and loved. Uh it was put on a mix for me by my great good friend Couch Baron, aka John Ramos. It is amazing that first of all the lore of this song, which is on the YouTube page and how they like were afraid to say anything in rehearsal and then it's just like, okay, well this is the version, then let's just get through it, and they do. But there's also that alchemy of that live performance tightrope that you have to stay up on. Like it's close enough to the recorded version, but enough different that it's worth like going out of the house or setting the VCR for their performance on late night or whatever. And that is also achieved Greater than the sum of the parts. And yes, Doc Severinson absolutely going off really boosts the song without competing with it. Everything about This spring of 1990 moment is extremely 1990. Like Leno's hair is almost completely black. Um Everyone's garments are just a bit outside the range of being correctly sized. But this is a great song, it's a great story, and you're You're seeing exactly what Eric said. I wouldn't have thought to put it that way, but Eric is right. This is sort of when the like monoculture window was shifting over in an indie direction a little bit, and the artists are really trying to maximize the potential of the moment and enjoy it. Really good presentation and really good topic as well. Dave. Dave 54:48 I'm impervious to the charms that they might be giants. Tara knows this. It's driving a wedge into our marriage that we're never gonna recuperate from. Whenever it comes up, we fight for days and days and days. So it's a good thing we got the weekend coming up, is that's what it's gonna take to heal it after this steel meal Eric. I thought the story behind it was Charming. I don't know if that really presents itself on the clip. I think if I watch that clip not knowing anything, I'd be like, well, that's the song I watched on the Tonight Show. And yes, Doc Severinsen is wailing on the trumpet hard. That is true. That was fun But overall I just didn't it felt like more like a tiny they might be giants cannon than a tiny TV Canon to me. So I'm probably gonna go no on this one and continue to work on destroying my marriage with Tara. The world's number one they might be Giants fans. Tara 55:37 It's true, and I Sarah 55:37 This is how you're gonna get murdered in your house is shit like this. Dave 55:41 I Sarah 55:42 This is so avoidable. Dave 55:42 know. I know. Tara 55:43 This already came up on our sister. Sarah 55:44 Oh Louise Dave 55:45 I'm speaking my truth. Sarah 55:45 d Tara 55:47 This already came up on our list Sarah 55:47 Dave's coming to see you. Tara 55:51 Is everyone done? Dave 55:53 How does it feel Sarah? I get that uh quite a few times every day. I just want to know how it feels. It's chilling, isn't it? Sarah 56:00 No. Dave 56:01 Oh, okay. Sarah 56:02 I've I've seen it happen. Tara 56:03 I've already humiliated myself on our sister podcast listen to Sassy Bike, admitting my deep love of this band and when we were talking about sassy's review of this album, I was like, you know, everyone loves they might be giants and birdhouse in your soul, right? Like it's kind of undeniable. And Pam and Dave were both like, no. Dave 56:21 Do you remember that scene in the movie interview with the vampire where they're on the stage and all the vampires close in on the person on the stage and start eating them? Tara 56:28 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dave 56:30 That was that was basically the podcast moment. Tara 56:32 It was rough. But I I I take your point, Dave, but I think like if we think about this in terms of how we talked about the Beastie Boys late show performance that I Sarah 56:44 Uh Tara 56:44 submitted for a this category of tiny canon. Dave 56:46 Yeah. But that was so involved Tara 56:48 No, but this is Dave 56:49 compared to this. Tara 56:49 sure, but that's i the point is both of them are uh are about Maximizing the moment. They're not just going on and doing exactly what you do on the album. The Sarah 57:00 Yes. Tara 57:01 they might be giants is taking advantage of having like a full live band and it's not just Doc Severinson, it's the whole horn section. Like the horn section is going crazy for the whole song. Sarah 57:09 Mm-hmm. Tara 57:12 Like really underscoring every time Sarah 57:13 Yeah Tara 57:14 Birdhouse and Your Soul is in the lyrics. They are like in such a great, exciting way. Like the intro with Jay Leno saying like he bought the album and they make him laugh. I don't believe that. And if it's true Dave 57:28 Yeah, I bought the album. Tara 57:30 I'm further humiliated, honestly, but I appreciated the how big of swing this was. I actually don't think it's that much faster, despite the lore. It didn't sound that much faster to me. Dave 57:42 I Tara 57:42 Maybe it was the clip. Dave 57:43 watched the official video after I watched this clip and yeah, I would say it's probably like twenty percent faster, maybe. Tara 57:47 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't think it's like notably it's not a that thing you do Dave 57:50 Yeah. Tara 57:53 difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave 57:54 Yeah. Sarah 57:54 Yeah, but it it's I think a complicated enough combination of the lyrics and stretching on the vocal that if it's sped up And you're live and you're on national TV and you're used to playing like in the basement of Union Hall with a cassette deck. Tara 58:08 Right, yes. Dave 58:09 It's like Sarah 58:10 Salat. Dave 58:11 me having to do three takes per week for the first two months when we started the tiny cannon when I had to have to like get everything out during the sped up version of the success Tara 58:19 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dave 58:20 music. So yes, I understand that part. Tara 58:22 Anyway This regardless of what you think about the band or the song, like this arrangement kills. And sorry if you don't think that it does, you're wrong. Dave 58:33 Great. Alright, let's make this official Sarah D. Bunting world's number two. They might be Giants fan. What say you? Sarah 58:42 Oh Jesus, why does this lore get written? I don't understand. I say yes. Dave 58:47 Alright, time Sarah 58:48 Go to Hell. Tara 58:48 Yes, obviously Dave 58:50 Not for me, but doesn't matter. Here we go. So That might be giants from the tonight show. You are hereby inducted into the extra hot, great, tiny musical performance canon! Clip 59:04 Americans love a winner. Yep. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave 59:09 It is time to discover our not quite winners and losers of the week. I will go first. My not quite winner is Dutton Ranch. Dutton Ranch. It is Paramount Plus 's biggest series launch ever. They had almost 13 million views, the latest in the ever-expanding Yellowstone Empire universe. My question for you guys is, how many Yellowstone series have there been Sarah 59:29 Oh, my God. Dave 59:33 or are in confirmed production? How many? Closest to the pins. Tara 59:37 Five? I think Dave 59:38 Tarz says Tara 59:39 five Dave 59:39 five, Sarah? Sarah 59:41 Nine Dave 59:42 Oh, you're exactly both right because the answer was seven. Tara 59:45 Oh Dave 59:45 There are five that's aired. Sarah 59:45 Oh wow. Dave 59:46 There are two in production still, including one called 6666, which I find kind of funny given the uh Tara 59:48 wow Gosh, mm-hmm. Dave 59:53 the audience. I think it's a branch name. Tara 59:56 Mm. Dave 59:56 And they're all branch names, right? Sarah 59:57 Still. Tara 59:58 Probably Dave 59:59 Probably or years. I don't understand their naming system there. Tara 01:00:01 Are you sure it doesn't take place in the years sixty-six Sarah 01:00:03 Years, well Dave 01:00:04 Oh my god, Century City meets Yellowstone, fantastic. Tara 01:00:04 sixty-six? Sarah 01:00:08 Space Ranch Dave 01:00:09 I mean I would watch at least one episode of that Tara 01:00:11 Of course you would Sarah 01:00:12 For All Cow Kind. All right Dave 01:00:14 I mean ba d there was like it would be like the Futurama episode where they go to you know don't don't you be touching my three beautiful robot daughters Tara 01:00:20 Yes Dave 01:00:21 Loser of the week follow-up, Tom Hardy. Further details of his unprofessional behavior on Mublin. Make it out. He refused to come out of his trailer, made everybody watch, and there's some big stars on that show. You got Pierce Brosnan, you got Helen Mirren, making him Wait for hours, not cool. And then bubbling up from this, we've got uh complaints from Patrick Stewart from back in his days and the terrible Star Trek Nemesis used to pull in the state. Pulling the same shit and wasn't really anybody back then. Um Charlie Seron, same deal on Mad Max. Like, come on, guy. So I feel like this is very Russell Crow Tara 01:00:53 Yeah. Dave 01:00:55 of him. Tara 01:00:55 Yeah Dave 01:00:56 And I feel like perhaps more at because let's face it, Tom Hardy is getting into his doughier days. So Tara 01:01:01 Sure. Dave 01:01:02 I would say let's look at Russell Crowe, Tom Hardy, as a as a precautionary tale and just get your shit together. Tara 01:01:07 Mm-hmm. Sarah 01:01:08 Yeah. Tara 01:01:08 This did make me want to read Patrick Stewart's memoirs though, because it seems like he's just going off on people and doesn't care. Dave 01:01:14 Yeah, the guy's like getting towards 90. Tara 01:01:16 Yeah. Dave 01:01:16 Who who gives a shit? Tara 01:01:17 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:01:18 You know, he's Sarah 01:01:18 Yeah. Dave 01:01:18 he's got his pool, he's got his dogs, he's got Ian to hang out with. Just fucking go for it, dude. Sarah 01:01:22 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dave 01:01:23 All right, Sarah D. Bunting, what do you got? Sarah 01:01:25 My not quite winner is a man named Carl Rynch. He alleged I mean I think it's not alleged at this point. I think he has been sentenced to give Netflix four point four million in restitution, but he was said to have swindled Netflix out of eleven million dollars, which is, you know, that's not exactly why he's the winner, but Keanu Reeves wrote a letter to the judge asking um for clemency because of uh his like the way Keanu described Rinch's Uh I don't even know, like uh eyes too big for his stomach-ness in terms of putting together these projects why that means he wasn't guilty of fraud for spending some of the budget for this future show on crypto Dave 01:02:12 Oh, really? Is that what he did? Ha ha, dummy. Sarah 01:02:14 Yeah, that was one of the one of the things he did. Dave 01:02:16 You're a dumb one, Mr. Wrench Sarah 01:02:21 Yeah, inappropriate use of funds, wire fraud, all of that. Tara 01:02:26 It's always wire fraud. Yeah, Keanu Sarah 01:02:28 Yeah. Tara 01:02:28 Reeves was in the movie that he directed with whatever money he did not swindle Sarah 01:02:34 Not quite loser, speaking of streamers, on the back foot is Prime Video, which is ordered 3 Gen AI animated series from its new Amazon MGM Studios AWS Creators Fund. Like that's too many words and letters. Dave 01:02:48 There's a lot going on. Sarah 01:02:50 And yeah. Dave 01:02:51 What the Fuck? Oh my god, barbecue Sarah 01:02:54 One of the creators of Good Advice Cupcake, which is a character that one of the shows is based on, slagged BuzzFeed for making an AI show, and BuzzFeed's Jonah Peretti was like, shrug. Tara 01:03:06 Yeah. Dave 01:03:06 Take it up with Byron. Sarah 01:03:07 It's it. Yeah, it's happening. Take it up with 001101. Like, I keep thinking this bubble is finally gonna pop and drown some shit, and it just keeps not doing it. Tara 01:03:12 Yeah. I mean, I think it is Dave 01:03:18 It it will and when it will is when they actually have to start charging what it costs to do stuff with AI. 'Cause right now it is all just burning through VC money in order for people to use it at probably one tenth the cost of what it actually is is really going on. So I gonna imagine once that reality catches up with them, that's when the bubble's gonna burst. And I don't know how much money's still in the system for that. Tara 01:03:45 Well my not quite winner of the week is wait, why did I put it under winner? This is a loser. Sorry. Uh Dave 01:03:53 Two losers from Tara, an exciting Tara 01:03:54 Shit! Dave 01:03:55 double doesn't matter. Tara 01:03:55 I got two losers, guys. Dave 01:03:56 No the wait wait wait wait Tarz winner of the week is people that enjoy losers of the week because Sarah 01:04:01 Yes Dave 01:04:01 we got two Tara 01:04:02 A third loser, me, for posting things in the wrong line. Anyway. Dave 01:04:06 See, I thought your winner. Tara 01:04:07 Yes. Dave 01:04:08 I thought well well you go ahead. I'll Tara 01:04:10 My winner in mistakenly was I'm a Virgo because Boots Riley, who created it, has ruled out making future seasons of it. Dave 01:04:17 See I thought that was like Tara 01:04:18 And Dave 01:04:19 my story's done, I don't need to force it, so that Tara 01:04:21 Sure, let's say that. Sarah 01:04:22 Yeah, you can call that a winner. Dave 01:04:22 Okay, great. That's what I I assumed it was, yeah. Tara 01:04:25 Yeah, okay. Well shout out to Boots Riley, by the way, because uh I love Boots Boosters is currently in theaters and I saw it this weekend and it was great. I um hope I can take Dave to see it if he has time before it leaves theaters because would really benefit from the large screen. Um and shout out to Carrie Young who is back from I'm a Virgo and also is in the movie Is God Is. So shouts to the whole I'm a Virgo crew. My not quite loser of the week is Henry Cavill 's live-action Voltron movie, A Thing That Happened, and is apparently Sarah 01:04:58 Oh, my God Tara 01:04:59 Not gonna be in theaters. Aww, going straight to Prime Video. Sad to hear for Henry Cavill Dave 01:05:03 Hmm. Sarah 01:05:05 Yeah, Seinfeld Popcorn Dave 01:05:06 This guy is just like going through his childhood. Sarah 01:05:06 Gaff Tara 01:05:10 Yeah. Dave 01:05:10 and remaking everything he ever played with. Like he's he had uh he's got Superman, Warhammer Tara 01:05:14 Yeah. Witcher Dave 01:05:18 Boltron Witcher, yeah, these all these like IPs from old movies and video games and things like that that he's just like, Yeah, sure, all right. Tara 01:05:24 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:05:26 And like it's weird because if this was a couple decades ago, that would be the career of a uh like the guy from Highlander. Whoa, Highlander! Tara 01:05:34 Yeah. Dave 01:05:35 That's another thing that he is doing. He's remaking Highlander too. Tara 01:05:37 Oh my God. Dave 01:05:38 This is just what he does. Tara 01:05:38 Wow. Dave 01:05:39 He's just like he is the reboot machine. Tara 01:05:41 Mm hmm. Dave 01:05:41 It's weird. And it's like once in a while he's in something such as Ebola Homes Tara 01:05:46 Sure. Dave 01:05:47 or the League of No, what was it? The gentlemen who blow up shit from Winston Churchill, whatever that was. Tara 01:05:51 I forget Dave 01:05:52 Yeah. Sarah 01:05:53 Oh Dave 01:05:53 But most of Sarah 01:05:53 yeah , Dave 01:05:54 this stuff, I'm just like, you gotta mix it up, dude. You're gonna get, you know, you're gonna get typecast. Tara 01:05:58 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:05:59 Mm-hmm. Strap in, it's time for Kim Reed's, the most awesome thing I watched on TV last month. Kim 01:06:08 Hi, this is Kim Reed and welcome to the most awesome thing I saw on TV last month. Last month I watched season four, episode seventeen, of Little House on the Prairie called Be My Friend. So we open in some shack and there's a lady whimpering and squeezing her pregnant belly in a way no pregnant person has ever done, like the belly's clearly made of foam And Michael Landon directed this episode and he must hate this woman because he's shooting her from like just below her chin. Like you know when you're doom scrolling and you accidentally open up your camera and you get a jump scare and then you're like, oh, that's me. That is what this lady looks like Also, her skin looks terrible and she's lit from below, so like every bit of peach fuzz and bump on her skin is magnified. I mean she's a lovely-looking young woman, but the angle and the lighting are so bad. Anyway She's begging God not to be angry with her or her baby. So good news, this is an extra Jesus-y episode. It's written and directed by Michael Landon. So then the girl's dad gets home from his hunting trip, and I guess he doesn't know she's pregnant, but he is super religious and he loudly says a prayer before eating about how he hopes God can keep his daughter away from sins, since she's a whore like her mother. I mean, not in those words, but that's kinda what he says. And then while he's eating dinner, he accuses his daughter of wanting to run off and be with her boyfriend because of the flesh. And flesh is like the grossest word, even outside of this context. And then he remembers that her mother married him because of the flesh, but then she ran off with another man because of the flesh. And like Maybe she just got tired of all your gross prayers and how you say the word flesh all the time. Anyway, then the daughter has a contraction and her dad thinks it's because she has a demon inside. So he says a prayer to drive the demon back to town and away from the wilderness where they live, so that sin can't reach them, which I don't think that's how sin works. I don't think it like needs a home base, but what do I know? Clearly this guy has done a lot of thinking about demons I'm just glad to hear the daughter had a boyfriend because that's probably why she's pregnant, because we all were thinking it could have been the dad's baby. So then the daughter's in active labor and she has to go out to the wild to get water, and it's seriously a hurricane outside, and she ducks into this like underground bunker. and maybe has the baby. They don't really show us, but when she gets home much later she seems to be feeling a lot better. And she lies and tells her dad that she was scared of the lightning, so she hid until the storm was over. And he has a lot of prayers to say about that, but did she just leave the baby in the bunker alone? Unclear. So then cut to Laura fishing in the creek and she finds a message in a bottle, which honestly, as a kid was all I ever wanted I just hoped every time I passed any sort of body of water, like a puddle or anything, that there'd be a bottle with a message inside. It's one of those things like quicksand and souffles that seventies television promised would be a big part of our lives, but it never really panned out So Laura takes out the note and it says, If you find this, be my friend and she's no dummy and realizes it must have been written by somebody who lives upstream. So she and Bandit the Dog head off to figure out the mystery. But after walking like fifty feet, she's like, This creek's really long. I'm just gonna go home. That night the family's hanging out, and Laura's checking a map that they just happen to have of the creek, trying to figure out how far it goes, and everyone tells her looking for this friend would be like finding a needle in a haystack, because the creek has tributaries, etcetera, etc. And then Mary makes a joke about how funny it'd be if it turns out the person who put the note in the bottle was Nellie Olson. They all crack up at that, and then Pa says, Then you'd really be up a creek, and nobody laughs, like his joke was so much better than Mary's stupid joke, just as for Frontier Dad jokes. So that night the no longer pregnant girl sneakily cuts off a lock of her hair and shoves it in another bottle with a note. Like, where is she getting all these store bought bottles from? And anyway, she looks sad, but seriously, where's the baby? Is anyone feeding it? So the next day Laura finds a second bottle and this note says, Dear friend, if you find this, my eyes are Brown and this is my hair. Be my friend Like what the Hell? You couldn't give her any information about where you live or how to get in touch with you, or draw a map to where you hid your baby? Like you're just sending her a creepy lock of your hair? I'd be like, you seem like a serial killer, so I think I'll skip it So then Laura gets home well after dark, and Pa is pissed, and he even threatens a whipping. But then Laura tells him about the second bottle and how lonely the note was, and how she had to keep looking, and Pa basically caves. But he reminds her there's still very little chance she could ever find the author of the notes. And if it's gonna make her this sad, maybe she could stop looking for bottles. But you know Laura's not gonna stop, friends. So then the next day Laura finishes her chores early and has a series of misadventures involving praying to God to give her milk from her cow and also trying to catch a bullfrog at the creek. And she ends up finding another bottle and inside the note says, this is me, be my friend. And then there's a photograph of the not pregnant girl, like How likely is it that she had a photograph, A, and B would spare it? I would imagine it was very expensive and very rare that someone in this era would have a photo. It's not like your school pictures where you got like forty five wallet sizes to hand out to all in sundry with a note on the back to stay cool this summer. So Laura runs and tells Pa about the new message and he agrees to help her look in this one particular creek the next day. And after a while of looking they hear a baby crying, and they find a baby in a basket, covered in furs, with a note that says, Please be my friend, please love me, I'm all alone and Laura seems confused, but Pa knows immediately that whoever sent those bottles also left this baby. So he tells Laura to stay there while he goes and has a look around, but he doesn't find anything. So Pa and Laura agree they have to take the baby home, and as they walk off, we see the baby's mother watching them and crying. So the baby mama goes back to her shack and her dad notices that she's super happy, but she offers up no explanation and he seems suspicious. Back at the Ingalls house, Laura's sleeping downstairs in Carrie's bed so she can keep an eye on the baby, and Ma and Pa are like totally fine with Laura becoming a mother, at least temporarily. early. With everyone in bed, Ma and Pa have a chat where they speculate about whose baby this is and what they're supposed to do, and Ma says they should take the baby in to see Doc Baker in the morning. Laura comes out and says she can take the baby to see the doctor, and she just wants her and Pa to go, which is a little weird, because it's almost like she's pretending they are the mom and dad. But Ma agrees, and then Laura says she's gonna call the baby Grace, which is kind of strange, because Ma 's next baby is going to be named Grace, so weird choice, but when I get to that episode, I'm sure they'll mention the abandoned baby. Haha, JK, they totally won't even acknowledge it Hey, the Olsons are here for comic relief. Turns out Willie was looking at corsets in the store's catalog. Nels thinks it's hilarious. Harriet is grossed out, and I'm somewhere in between. Pa and Laura come into the store with a baby 'cause they're looking for Doc Baker and he's not around, and Harriet is clearly dying to ask where this baby came from. And Pa tells her that it's Laura's, which what? Like I get trolling Harriet is fun and all, but that seems like a weird lie to tell And then Harriet spots Laura talking to Willie outside, and Willie's kissing the baby, which is very out of character for Willie. But regardless, between that and the corset looking, Harriet is apparently convinced that Willie is the baby's father, which I get we needed the comic relief and all, but this was ridiculous. Doc Baker gives the baby a clean bill of health and says whoever had the baby before took good care of it and then comments it'll be tough to get someone else to take on a baby girl because Unlike boys, they can't grow up and help on the farm, which for sure was the attitude back then, but did we have to say the quiet part out loud, Doc Baker? Anyway, then Doc Baker and Pa check out the map and figure out the nearest town to where the baby was found is called Boswell And Pa says he'll go there and show the photo around to see if anyone recognizes the mother. And that night Laura prays to God that maybe they won't find the baby's mother and she can be the baby's mother forever, which sounds creepy and also corny, but Melissa Gilbert really sells it So Paul arrives in Boswell, a town we've never heard of before, and yet it is way bigger than Walnut Grove. Why are they always going to Mankato and not here? Anyway, Pa locates the Reverend of Town, who recognizes the picture as a girl named Anna. So finally we have a name for her, and her father's name is Nathaniel, but they moved away a convenient six to eight months ago. The Reverend says Nathaniel was a strange one, uh no duh, and also Nathaniel had no friends, so no one would know where they moved to He says Anna was friends with a kid named Bobby, who's the blacksmith's son, but Nathaniel didn't want Anna and Bobby to be friendly because he thought even marriage was a sin. Pa wants to talk to this Bobby guy anyway, and the Reverend asks what this is all about, and Pa confesses he thinks he has Anna's baby at his house. and the Reverend is not surprised at all and says he better come too. So they head over to the Smithys and talk to Bobby, who's kind of hot, like I get why Anna wanted to be with this guy, but he says he hasn't seen Anna since her father took her off after Bobby asked Anna to marry him Bobby says Nathaniel told him he'd kill him if he ever saw Anna again. And Bobby thinks Holy's love Anna, but he hasn't seen her since. Pa tells him about the baby Bobby is also not surprised, and shows him the picture they found. Bobby tries to squeeze out a few tears, but this actor is cute, but he's not very good at acting. But he does say they need to find Anna, and he asks Pa to help him. So Pa and Bobby head up the creek to try to find Anna, and they aren't having much luck, but Bobby says no matter what happens, he wants to raise the baby, and he'll be a good father. But then Nathaniel spots them and he heads back home to yell at Anna, thinking she told Bobby where to find her And in his anger he throws the lantern at her and starts the whole shack on fire. And then he tries to prevent Anna from leaving because he thinks the fire's God's will or something. So then Anna pushes him off her and he hits his head on the hearth, and then she has to drag his unconscious body out of the shack. Like this is a family show for children, and this is extremely traumatic. Like I know as an adult that Anna 's probably not gonna die, but honestly on this show the dad might. He's a bad dude. Also, this segment takes so long, like you see every second of her dragging his body out the door. So Pa and Bobby spot the fire and they arrive and the lovers are reunited, and Anna learns that her baby's okay, and she confesses that her father didn't even know she had a baby because she kept it from him. So Bobby takes Anna to his house, and Pa stays with Nathaniel until he wakes up. Then Nathaniel immediately realizes Anna is gone and refuses to leave with Pa, so I guess he's just gonna hang out with the burned ruins of his shack and yell about demons some more. Good riddance So then Anna's back at the Ingalls house while Laura gets the baby ready to leave, and Anna thanks Ma for taking care of the baby and being so kind, even though Anna totally had sex out of wedlock. Although she doesn't say that, she just vaguely refers to what she did, and Ma says only God can judge us or something similar. Also, now that she's in a regular house, and not that weird shack she was living in, Anna's hair is so clearly a wig, like it's the most synthetic fiber I've ever seen. Anyway, Laura cries a whole lot when she has to give the baby up. Like it was in her life for four days, but whatever. And then Anna says that Pa gave her a picture of Laura so she can show the baby when the baby grows up, and she'll know what her other mommy looked like. Which what And also what glamour shots existed in Mankato or wherever that allowed all these poor farmers to get their portraits done? Anna also says that she's gonna keep the name Grace, and that gets a big smile out of Laura. And then the Laura voice over at the end says that she knew she'd never see them again, which saves me the trouble. And that was the most awesome thing I saw on TV last month. Dave 01:16:30 Before we get into the actual extra credit for this week, I just want to bring some positivity in the podcast. I think everybody should bring up a genuinely warm and happy memory of Sarah D. Bunting's grandmother. Let's start with you, Sarah. You knew her best. Sarah 01:16:50 That time that she arrived on our front porch escorted by New Jersey state troopers Tara 01:16:55 Whoa. Sarah 01:16:56 who said that if they caught her driving in the state again, they were gonna arrest her. Dave 01:17:00 Wow. Sarah 01:17:00 That was really fun. Dave 01:17:01 Great. I remember the time she put me on her shoulder so I could ride the roller coaster. Sarah 01:17:07 I don't know how much good that would have done. She was like four eleven, but yeah, she would Dave 01:17:11 Well we both got to go on. Sarah 01:17:11 have. Dave 01:17:13 It Tara 01:17:13 Yeah. Dave 01:17:13 was like Vincent Adultman, but for roller coasters. Sarah 01:17:15 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:17:16 Tara, what do you remember about her? Sarah 01:17:16 Yeah. Tara 01:17:17 Oh, she put raisins in everything. She was she was a raisin Sarah 01:17:20 Yeah. Tara 01:17:21 head Sarah 01:17:22 Two Louises Tara 01:17:22 from way Sarah 01:17:23 and the Sun Maid in a trench coat. Tara 01:17:23 back. Yep. Sarah 01:17:24 What a what a time to be alive. Dave 01:17:27 All right, thanks Louise. Tara 01:17:29 Today's extra credit comes to us from Seth, and I would like to know, and so would Seth. Do you guys know what time it is? Dave 01:17:37 It's uh eleven twenty-three AMhere in Austin. Sarah 01:17:40 Mm-hmm. Tara 01:17:40 It is, but what else? Dave 01:17:42 It is probably later for Sarah. Tara 01:17:45 Yes, it's n Dave 01:17:45 Oh wait, that's also game time Tara 01:17:47 it is Dave 01:17:58 Well, this is exciting. Tara 01:18:00 This game is called Ellipsis. Knowing is half the battle question Mark. And Seth writes This breezy bonus game is super basic. An episode title of a TV show will be provided, and you simply have to decide if it's from G.I. Joe, the first two seasons from the 80s. Law and Order mothership or both. Dave 01:18:22 Oh. Tara 01:18:23 You get one Dave 01:18:23 All right. Sarah 01:18:24 Ow Tara 01:18:25 point per correct answer. Seth says, good luck and have fun. We have 16. Seth has provided 18, but I don't know if we should reserve one for a tiebreaker. I guess we can decide where we are at that point in the game. Uh let's throw it to PICCI to see who's going first. Clip 01:18:42 We will start with David. Tara 01:18:44 We will start with David. David, you're going to be on the odds. Sarah, you are evens. Is everyone ready to play Knowing is Half the Battle? Dave 01:18:54 Yes Sarah 01:18:54 Yes Tara 01:18:55 No steel mills, etc. Dave, the serpent's tooth is this episode title. Dave 01:19:00 Yep. The serpent's tooth. Well, alright. Already the mind games have started here. Are we dealing with Yeah, you jerk. Um Tara 01:19:13 Law and Order, G.I. Joe, both Dave 01:19:15 Yeah, I'm just gonna say it this mmm There's a I'm gonna say for this one I'm gonna go with Law and Order and we're gonna Yeah Tara 01:19:25 Correct, that's season one, episode nineteen Dave 01:19:26 All right. Tara 01:19:28 of Law and Order Sarah 01:19:29 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:19:30 I feel like I know Seth well enough that he wanted to immediately establish his uh take on this, which is you're all fucked. Tara 01:19:36 Well let's see if that continues. Qu number two is for Sarah. Sarah, your episode title is The Viper is Coming. Sarah 01:19:46 G A Jo Tara 01:19:47 Correct season one episode thirty-nine back to Dave. Dave 01:19:51 I presented that one for something on this podcast. Tara 01:19:53 Did you? Is that what it was called? Dave 01:19:55 The whole conceit of the episode is that G.I. Joe is chasing all these all this intel. Tara 01:20:01 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:20:01 On when Cobra is gonna be attacking this place, this spot, trying to steal this, through these cryptic clues they're getting from the mysterious source And it turns out at the end Tara 01:20:09 Yeah. Dave 01:20:11 that it's just this window washer calling G.I. Joe headquarters to tell them he's coming to wash the windows, but he's got an accent and he keeps on saying the viper is c Tara 01:20:20 Oh Dave 01:20:20 the wiper is coming. Tara 01:20:21 yes, I remember that now. Dave 01:20:22 So he's been like the wiper Sarah 01:20:23 Oh Dave 01:20:23 is coming. Sarah 01:20:24 God. Tara 01:20:24 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:20:24 He's going to start on the southeast block. And they're like, that can only be West Point. And they all go to West Point. Sarah 01:20:28 The aristocrats Dave 01:20:30 The aristocrats. Tara 01:20:30 Dave Dave 01:20:31 All right. Yes. Tara 01:20:32 Sins of the Father Dave 01:20:34 Sins of the Father. Oh man. See, you're in my head already. I hate this game because that feels like that is not G. Clip 01:20:43 I Dave 01:20:43 I. Joe, but that is something stupid they would do for G. Clip 01:20:43 'll cut a low ring on an iron Dave 01:20:45 I. Clip 01:20:46 bomb. Dave 01:20:46 Joe. Clip 01:20:46 I want Dave 01:20:47 Seth Seth Seth Clip 01:20:47 to buy it out. Dave 01:20:49 G.I. Joe. Really? Tara 01:20:53 It's both. Dave 01:20:53 Oh, it's both. Tara 01:20:54 G.I. Joe Season 2, Episode 28, Sins of Our Fathers Close Enough. Dave 01:20:59 mhm Tara 01:20:59 Law and Order, Season 24, Episode 20, Sins of the Father. Shocking it took them that long to do that title on Law and Order, honestly. Sarah 01:21:05 Yeah, seriously. Dave 01:21:06 , Sarah 01:21:07 Season 24. Dave 01:21:07 merci Sarah 01:21:08 I don't acknowledge that. Tara 01:21:09 Sarah, Mother's Day Sarah 01:21:10 Yeah. I wish we had a neither option. Um Dave 01:21:17 That's that's Sarah 01:21:18 Mother's Day. Dave 01:21:18 that's some Dan Cassino bullshit, the neither Sarah 01:21:20 Yeah, seriously. Dave 01:21:20 option. Sarah 01:21:23 And uh and I honor that. Uh mmm. G.I. Joe Tara 01:21:31 Law and Order season thirteen, episode ten Dave 01:21:34 I want to know what the G.I. Joe version of that would be though. That would be great. Like all the mothers of all the soldiers come to visit the base. Oh man, that's a great episode conceit. Tara 01:21:44 Dave, my brother's keeper Dave 01:21:45 Yeah. Ooh, my brother's keeper. I'm pretty sure that is a G.I. Joe episode, and I'm not quite sure why, but I also feel like that could be another horseshit double do. Sarah 01:21:57 Double Dave 01:21:58 Yeah, I double Sarah 01:21:58 dood Dave 01:21:59 do. Tara 01:22:00 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:22:00 I'm gonna gamble both. Yes! Tara 01:22:02 Both is correct. Dave 01:22:03 Yes! Tara 01:22:04 G. Dave 01:22:04 What is Tara 01:22:04 I. Joe Dave 01:22:04 Yeah, okay. Tara 01:22:05 Season 2, Episode 18, My Brothers Keeper. Dave 01:22:07 Uh Tara 01:22:07 Law and Order, Season 11, 21, Episode 21, Brothers Keeper. Dave 01:22:12 Brothers, okay. Tara 01:22:13 Sarah, twenty questions Sarah 01:22:18 Twenty questions. I think that's Uh doesn't sound law and order-ish to me. Um G.I. Joe Tara 01:22:30 Correct. Season one, episode thirteen of G.I. Joe. Back to Dave Dave 01:22:35 Okay. Tara 01:22:36 Glamour girls. Dave 01:22:38 Glamour girls. Ooh. So this is a show from the eighties that had like a handful of lady soldiers and I could absolutely see them having an episode called Glamour Girls where they have to for some reason infiltrate a fashion show because Cobra's doing something. Glamour girls could also be something dark from Law and Order. Tara 01:23:05 Gonna need your answer. Dave 01:23:06 Yeah, feels like a both one. Uh not my answer yet, still thinking. G.I. Joe Yes. Tara 01:23:16 It's G.I. Joe season two, episode fourteen Sarah 01:23:17 Nice. Dave 01:23:18 Does he have a summary or anything of that one? Tara 01:23:21 Nope. Sarah 01:23:21 Good call Dave 01:23:21 Yeah, okay. Tara 01:23:22 Alright, Sarah, we're gonna give you question eight and then we'll do a score break. So question eight, uh episode title rather eight is good girl. Sarah 01:23:31 No other Tara 01:23:32 Correct season seven, episode three of Law and Order. Sarah 01:23:37 people. Tara 01:23:37 Let's get a score break Dave 01:23:39 Alright. Sarah D. Bunting, I'm gonna ask you to concur after I give the scores. I have David T. Cole at three. Sarah D Bunting also at three. Sarah D. Bunting. Do you concur? Sarah 01:23:50 I do Tara 01:23:50 All right, boy Dave 01:23:51 She does concur. We have me uh I was just looking up um the uh sorry, one second here. Tara 01:23:59 Oh my God. Sarah 01:24:01 Oh Tara 01:24:01 I Sarah 01:24:01 Fuck Tara 01:24:01 I've got it. Sarah 01:24:02 Jesus. Tara 01:24:02 I've got the description Desperately s desiring eternal youth, Madame Vale makes Cobra an offer to get her longevity secrets for a price. In exchange, Cobra must provide Madame Vale with an abundance of young women with which she can keep her operation going. Sarah 01:24:16 Hello Tara 01:24:18 Oh Dave 01:24:18 Little Tara 01:24:18 god, Glamour Girl's little Dave 01:24:18 boy took a turn. Tara 01:24:20 little Epstein Filesy Sarah 01:24:22 Yay! Dave 01:24:22 Yikes. Tara 01:24:22 there. Let's get back into it, Dave. Dave 01:24:25 Okay. Tara 01:24:25 Episode Title IX is Shadow Dave 01:24:28 Oh man. Well there's Storm Shadow and G.I. Joe. But that also let's do hmm. Let's do Law and Order for this one. Tara 01:24:39 That's correct. Dave 01:24:40 Yeah, all right. Tara 01:24:40 Season eight, episode eight. Uh, but Seth adds, G.I. Joe does have a 90s episode titled Shadow of a Doubt. Dave 01:24:47 Yeah, okay. Tara 01:24:47 Shadow of a doubt. Sarah, Title ten, The Invaders Sarah 01:24:54 The invaders. This almost seems like it's very obviously a G.I. Joe one, so ergo it's not. And I I think that's a lawn order one. Hmm. I'm gonna go both. Tara 01:25:06 Both is correct. Dave 01:25:07 Wow, nicely done. Tara 01:25:09 G.I. Joe Sarah 01:25:10 Wow. Tara 01:25:10 season one, episode 50. Good God, the Invaders. Sarah 01:25:12 Oh god. Tara 01:25:13 Law and Order, Season 16, Episode 22, Invaders. So Dave 01:25:17 If I remember, the G. Sarah 01:25:18 Mm-hmm. Okay Dave 01:25:19 I. Joe season episode guides are all over the map. Some of them are like it's all one season, some of them are like there's six seasons or something like that. Tara 01:25:26 Sure. Clip 01:25:27 I'm a cable. Dave 01:25:27 So If you're looking these up, look by the title, not by the Clip 01:25:29 I am a bomb on the gold. Dave 01:25:30 uh numbers. Tara 01:25:31 Dave, number Dave 01:25:32 Yeah. Tara 01:25:33 eleven is duty to protect. Dave 01:25:36 Hmm That's a pretty lame law and order title, which does not mean it's not a title. And that's just the kind of horseshit they would put into EIGO.duty to protect Law and Order. Tara 01:25:50 Correct Sarah 01:25:52 Nice Tara 01:25:52 season twenty-four, episode twelve Dave 01:25:54 I am not playing this at all on the Law and Order G.I. Joe thing. I'm all playing on sequence of mind games from Seth. Yes. Tara 01:26:02 All right, back to Sarah. Dave 01:26:03 Have I put too many both in a row? I'm asking myself. Yes, okay Clip 01:26:07 I Tara 01:26:07 Sarah Clip 01:26:08 want to go Tara 01:26:09 The spy Clip 01:26:09 back and want to get correct. Tara 01:26:09 who rooked me, R-O-O-K-E-D, the spy who rooked me Sarah 01:26:15 Oh my god. Again, my kingdom for a neither option. The spy who rooked me? Tara 01:26:22 It's correct. Sarah 01:26:22 I mean it can't be both, so I guess there's that. Dave 01:26:22 Yeah. Sarah 01:26:25 Um Dave 01:26:25 It's the sequel to the Queen's Gambit. Sarah 01:26:27 Yeah, seriously. Uh I'm gonna say Law and Order. Tara 01:26:34 G.I. Joe Season 2, Episode 16. Sarah 01:26:38 Okay. Tara 01:26:39 Tough one. Back to Dave, license to kill. Dave 01:26:41 Okay. Oh man, so generic Sarah 01:26:46 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:26:47 License to kill. Sorry, just point of order. This is just mothership, right? I think we we established that? Tara 01:26:52 We Sarah 01:26:53 Yes Tara 01:26:53 could Dave 01:26:53 Yeah, okay. We just had a spy thing, so maybe they were on a spy kick on G.I. Joe. But this could be like a bad shooting episode or something like that. Let's go law and order. Tara 01:27:08 Correct season fifteen, episode seventeen, Sara Dave 01:27:08 Oh. All right. Tara 01:27:13 D. Bunting Dave 01:27:14 See, sorry, my thinking was Seth just put a spy thing in there and he's gonna put another one in there to try to gum on gum it. Tara 01:27:19 Mm-hmm. Yep. Dave 01:27:22 And I had to fight back against that. Tara 01:27:25 Well, let's see what mind games are at f uh a foot here. Title number fourteen, Excalibur Sarah. Sarah 01:27:35 Hmm. Excalibur. Excalibur. Uh was there a mothership episode set at a Ren faire? I don't think there was. I'm gonna say this is just G.I. Joe. Tara 01:27:48 It's both Dave 01:27:49 What Tara 01:27:49 G. Sarah 01:27:50 Damn it Tara 01:27:50 I. Joe season one episode thirty-five, and then he has Law and Order season four hundred and eleven, so that's either fourteen Dave 01:27:57 is Tara 01:27:58 or four or eleven, not unclear, episode eighteen. But I believe him that it's a law and order episode. Sarah 01:28:02 All right. Yeah, no, I believe him too Tara 01:28:06 We got four questions left. Let's see if we need to play all of them or can play all of them. What are our scores, please? Dave 01:28:13 All right. Sarah D. Bunting, I'm gonna need you to concur or challenge this score. I have David T. Cole at six, Sarah D. Butthing at four. Sarah 01:28:23 Correct Dave 01:28:24 She does concur. Tara 01:28:25 Okay, well let's just let's just play them all and see where we go. If you tie, you tie, it'll be fun and cute Dave 01:28:31 Season 3, Episode 35, Excalibur. When Storm Shadow crashes after an air duel, he finds the legendary sword Excalibur, which he knows will make him unstoppable. Clip 01:28:41 Cable open both Tara 01:28:43 Of course. Dave 01:28:44 Yeah, yeah. Tara 01:28:44 All right, Dave, Soldier Clip 01:28:45 tempo Tara 01:28:46 of Fortune Dave 01:28:46 Oh man. Tara 01:28:50 You're acting like Seth did not choose these deliberately to be difficult. Dave 01:28:54 I know. I know. This is a good game. Tara 01:28:56 Mm-hmm. Yes. Dave 01:28:58 This is this is this is very smart. Tara 01:28:59 Soldier of Fortune. Dave 01:29:01 Law and order only. Tara 01:29:02 That is correct. Dave 01:29:03 Yeah. Tara 01:29:04 Season twelve, episode four. Sarah D. Bunting. Let's play Soldier. Sarah 01:29:13 Come on Uh let's play soldier. I think that's only G.I. Joe. Clip 01:29:21 I think it could go Tara 01:29:22 That is correct. Clip 01:29:22 with Dave 01:29:23 Yeah. Clip 01:29:23 it. Oh, does it go Tara 01:29:23 Season two, episode nine. Clip 01:29:24 out? Tara 01:29:26 Are you tied? Dave 01:29:28 No, it is seven to five Tara 01:29:29 Okay. Alright. Let's play the last two questions then. Uh David T. Cole, your episode title is Bitch. Dave 01:29:40 Oh my God, I so want this to be both If there is a G.I. Joe episode, here it is the deal. If there is a G.I. Joe episode called Bitch, I am going to give this game, regardless of the score, to Sarah D. Bunting, and I'm going to buy her a G.I. Joe figure to boot. That's how much I kind of want there to be an G.I. Joe episode called Bitch. I just want to confirm Tara 01:30:05 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:30:06 B-I-T-C-H bitch. Tara 01:30:07 Yes. Dave 01:30:08 And there's no neither option. Tara 01:30:10 There's no neither option. Dave 01:30:10 Well then I'm gonna go with Law and Order only. Tara 01:30:12 Well, you're right. Dave 01:30:14 Damn. Tara 01:30:14 Season 13, Episode 15. Dave 01:30:16 What would bitch be if it was a G.I. Joe? Like Scarlet's on the rag Sarah 01:30:19 Oh, my God Tara 01:30:20 If there's a later if there was a nineties one, they might have tried that shit. Sarah 01:30:24 A dog gives birth to puppies underneath the base? Dave 01:30:24 Oh. Tara 01:30:24 But anyway. Dave 01:30:27 Right. Sarah 01:30:27 I don't know. Dave 01:30:28 Oh, that was a really cute episode. It's surprisingly they called it bitch. Tara 01:30:32 Sarah, your Sarah 01:30:32 Yeah Tara 01:30:33 final title is The pyramid of darkness, part three, colon, three cubes to darkness Clip 01:30:44 With them over there, I want Dave 01:30:45 What the Fuck? Clip 01:30:46 to get Sarah 01:30:46 Both Clip 01:30:46 a control. Sarah 01:30:48 just kidding, G.I. Joe Tara 01:30:49 That's correct. Season one, episode three. What are our final scores, please? Dave 01:30:56 All right. Uh I really do need uh do you concur here because I was laughing so much I think it may have forgotten to put something down here. I have David T. Cole at eight and Sarah D. Bunting at six. Sarah 01:31:10 Kinker Dave 01:31:10 She does concur. Tara 01:31:11 Congratulations today Dave 01:31:14 Yay! Clip 01:31:19 Dave. Dave. Tara 01:31:20 Dave. Dave 01:31:20 Dave. Wow, that was Sarah 01:31:21 Dave Dave 01:31:22 enraging, Seth, but I feel like I kind of sufficiently got into your mind trying to get into my mind there, so think about that, won't ya? Sarah 01:31:29 Oh boy Dave 01:31:30 That is it for another episode of Extra Extra Hot Great. We entrapped you with our finely woven discussion of Spider-Noir Sarah 01:31:36 , Dave 01:31:37 before liquefying and eating your innards. We answered your burning ASCIIsG questions like, who 's O'Brien killing next and what reality show should highlight incompetence? Steel Meal Eric got they might be giants into the tiny musical performance canon. We celebrated those who weren't quite the best, quite the weath and worst. We celebrated those who weren't quite the best. I can't do it. We celebrated those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week and wrapped it all up with a game time from Seth. Next up, it's Star City. Remember. Clip 01:32:11 We 're listening. Dave 01:32:14 I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tara Tara 01:32:18 AKA the fourth cube to darkness Dave 01:32:25 Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra Hot Great. Clip 01:32:39 Excuse me, what's happening in there? Bit of an existential crisis if I'm honest. About my toilet? This is Extra Hot Great Minis. Today's topic is take a gimmick, leave a gimmick. I'm not sure of the provenance of today's mini. Will will anyone be receiving Dave Points? Um we'll see. Okay. For the possibility of Dave Points, everyone, please answer the following question. What go-to show gimmicks and go-to special episodes should lie fallow for a decade? Once you figure that out, present a gimmick to replace it. Tara. Uh I am really sick of character narration on sitcoms. Please let us discover things on our own without having one of the characters tell us how to feel about everything all the time. It's literally on every show. I mean I could there's there's not a sitcom I watch I think that doesn't have it, other than maybe ones on HBO.um and I would replace that with non-character narration as on Jane the Virgin. They do a really c clever thing where they have an omniscient narrator who tells us how to feel about things and Pairs it with on-screen text to give us backstory or fill in blanks or uh add commentary on the events, and that would be my pick. Sarah. Mine is TV cops with fucked up dads. They died in the line of duty. They're grifters or rapists like on SVU.they're missing like on crossing lines. They were hitty drunks like Every law and order, original flavor character. Enough already. Cops do not actually need to have dads at all. No personal life shit, please. Goodbye. I would replace it with Nothing smart. Okay. Uh minus five day points for not completing the assignment. She doesn't care, she got ten in the last one. That's fine. I'd replace it with teddy bears. Boo, minus six. Mark. You're a minus day point. You're gonna lose more day points, Kara. Don't you see what you're doing? I am tired of characters learning information from other characters in a situation in which they're supposed to be asleep. But then the camera pants to them and we see them laying on their side, eyes closed asleep, and then they open their eyes and they were awake all long I'm sick of it. I think that we should replace it with a new gimmick for ac for learning new information that you weren't supposed to learn by someone accidentally G chatting information in the wrong window. Love it. Yeah, that's good. Alright, I'll finish this off. The gimmick that must go, must go is the time hop. That's the flash forward, then flashback. at the start of the episode something happens and then it's like eight hours earlier. Fuck that shit. I hate it. Hate it so much. I hate it so much that uh even like uh Hannibal did it for a whole season. Their their last season they started off with a time hop. To the season finale. Yeah. Yeah. And then breathway back. People were telling me, no, it's necessary, blah, blah, blah. No, I didn't need to know that that occurred at the start of the season for it to pay off at the end of the season. I thought that was totally unnecessary. What am I going to replace it with? Not related, but I just kind of want an episode where you see all the main characters' dreams from the same night of sleep. And it's just like a special episode, but it's sort of like is like a way that you can get to the truth of all the matters in one episode and uh you know it would just be like a fun one off you know Buffy did that. Did they? Yep. Yeah. Season four finale. Good on you, Buffy. Buffy gets Dave points. Yeah, Buffy gets the six Dave points you two get, sir.