A Little More Conversation About Paradise

Dave: [0:10] This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, Episode 603 for the week of February 23rd, 2026. I am the once and future terrible state of Arkansas, David T. Cole. And I'm here with Elvis impersonator Tara Ariano. Tara: [0:30] I'm all shook up. Dave: [0:31] And cherry jello hater Alyson Lewis. Alyson: [0:34] Lime really is superior. Tara: [0:37] True. Welcome to Extra Hot Great for another week. As you will have surmised from the intro, Sarah is still out. We are still wishing her the best, but we have a wonderful guest this week. She is a newsletterer. She is my former cracked colleague. If you've heard her with us before, it's Allison Lewis. Welcome back, Allison. Alyson: [1:03] Hi. Thanks for having me. Tara: [1:05] We're here to talk about Paradise Season 2, which we can't do without kind of spoiling Paradise Season 1. So if you haven't watched it and you still plan to, skip ahead. Here's what's happening in Season 2. Outside the bunker, survivors have different strategies for survival, like holing up in basement at Graceland, and priorities as to how they should spend the lives they have improbably been given, like traveling around the country making sure nuclear plants are safely shut down. Inside the bunker, there's an authoritarian crackdown on rebellious teens, and the secret masterminds actually running the place are still running their secret plans. Paradise cannot stop paradising! As we told you when we talked about season one, The show was created by Dan Fogelman, formerly of This Is Us. The first three episodes of season two dropped on Hulu Monday, February 23rd. We will be spoiling all of those. We also got access to the first seven of eight episodes in the season, but we will be careful about spoilers from later episodes. Let's do the Chen check-in. Allison, I know your answer. Should our listeners watch Paradise? Alyson: [2:13] Yes, 100%. Tara: [2:15] Dave. Dave: [2:15] This is still a very enjoyable dumb show, but I would say the secret sauce of the first season is hurting the second season. Tara: [2:24] Dave, what do you mean? Explain. Dave: [2:26] All right. The secret sauce of the first season is I believe the creators didn't know how dumb the show they created was. And they were trying to make a show that they thought was important, but it wasn't. It was dumb and very enjoyably so. In season two, they still think the show is important, but they've abandoned the stupidest part of the show, which is they live under a dome. I mean, it's still there partially, but they scattered all the characters to the corner of the dome and globe. And we only get, I'm going to say, 25 to 30 percent dome action in the series. And that was like the best part of season one was how this stupid, dumb society worked in closed quarters. 20,000 people in an artificial dome with artificial sun living out the nuclear winter or whatever is going on. And then they send some people up into the surface and it's like, it's all right. It's not like terrible. It's a couple of years later. Somebody's living in Graceland. The guy's flying planes. There's Lost Boys from Peter Pan. There's all this stuff. And it sounds like it's dumb and fun. And it kind of is, but it's not as stupid as the first season. So I think what they are thinking is now we're going to tell the survivalist tale, humanity against nature, who will win. And it's very important stuff to them. And it's not as dumb as living under the dome. Still dumb. Oh, boys, it's still dumb. Tara: [3:56] Yeah. Dave: [3:56] But not as opinionatedly dumb as the first season. Tara: [4:00] Okay, well, now we got to go to Allison because she watched all of season one and the first three episodes of season two in, I'm going to say, less than a week. Tell us what that did to your brain and if you agree with Dave that it's not dumb enough in season two. Alyson: [4:17] Okay, first, I do agree it's not dumb enough in season two. Season two, it feels a little more real and a little more emotional. I cried in the, I want to say the second episode of season two. Dave: [4:31] When they ran out of beans? Alyson: [4:35] Well, I was there, you know, the girl, Annie. Tara: [4:39] Annie, yeah. Alyson: [4:39] She was clearly a very traumatized young lady. And listen, I hear you, honey, but that is not the kind of show that I started off watching. I mean, yeah, sure. Sterling K. Brown, I forget his character's name. His wife died. that is traumatic we we experienced that in season one but it was still silly and goofy and you know the cheese fries of it all and and all you know all of that was fun and silly but season two yeah it you know the dome life it just turned into what we we can turn on the news and see that like it wasn't it was a little less of a fictionalized thing and it wasn't i didn't laugh very much. Tara: [5:17] That's for sure. Alyson: [5:18] And yeah, my brain not doing great. Although I will say took a little break after watching the third episode of season two. I'm going to be back in there, baby. Yeah. Tara: [5:29] Yeah. Dave: [5:29] It's not unentertaining. I'm just saying it's not reaching the dumb highs of the first season. Alyson: [5:34] No. Yeah. Dave: [5:35] The things they're trying to do in the second season, we've seen many times in other places done better. Tara: [5:40] Yeah. We've seen it in The Walking Dead. Dave: [5:43] Yeah. Tara: [5:43] In The Last of Us. others. Dave: [5:45] Yeah. And the first season, this is them doing Under the Dome better. Tara: [5:51] That too. Yeah. Dave: [5:52] So they sort of flipped the script where they're like, they went from being number one and now they're number two. Tara: [5:56] Right. Yeah. Paradise exists at the intersection of family drama, political intrigue, science fiction, and mystery box. Is that fair to say? It's trying to do all of those things. Based on the start of the season, which of these is it handling with the most confidence? What do you think, Alison? Alyson: [6:12] Most of the political stuff is what I'm holding on to and what I'm thinking about most when I'm watching the second season and what I'm the most curious about. Dirty little silent children that we're talking about. Can we have your coat when you die? That surely got my attention, but I really was wondering what's going on under the dome. Annie, again, I'm sorry for you, sister, but I didn't really care that much about her. Let's get back under there. I want to see what's happening. Dave: [6:43] Way more Elvis content than I was expecting in season two. Alyson: [6:46] Oh, yeah. Dave: [6:46] Annie is a Elvis Graceland tour guide. Tara: [6:50] Yeah. Dave: [6:51] And when the shit hits the fan, that's where she is. They bunker down in Elvis's banana and peanut butter room in the basement or whatever's going on there. And they ride out the worst of it while her friend dies, tragically. So she rides out the worst of it alone. And just a lot of Elvis stuff. And then they carry the Elvis stuff through with the worst music covers I've heard in a TV show in so long. They are cringeworthy. Alyson: [7:19] The music on this show is awful. And I understand where they're going. And I'm sure they're probably using covers for some kind of copyright reason or something. It's cheaper. Yeah. But they're not good. And that is one of the things that kind of takes away. I was telling Tara that this show is almost good. There are like very small tweaks they could make to turn this into a great show. And one of the tweaks they could make is just using the original music. It would be more powerful, more meaningful. Really, the covers are really rough to get through. Dave: [7:53] There is, I'm not sure if it's the third or fourth episode. It doesn't matter. It's not a spoiler. Something dramatic and emotional happens. And I'm going to try to do it, but this is what it is. All right. Emotional moment. Okay. You ain't nothing but a hound dog laughing all the time. It's like, oh my God, is this really happening? It was so embarrassing. Never mind reusing one of the worst Phil Collins songs again in season two, another day in, wait for it, Paradise. Just the music director really should be fired. It was terrible. Alyson: [8:30] Yeah, I agree. Tara: [8:32] Getting back to the Elvis thing, though, So considering that Xavier has a daughter named Presley, you would think it would come up more. He has this connection to Elvis lore, but he never says anything. Alyson: [8:43] He's mentioned it a couple of times that she really loved Elvis, but it's so funny that when they show her, when they meet in the hospital room, she's not talking about Elvis. She's talking about mushrooms. She loses her sight. There's no mention of Elvis. And don't get me started on the names. And James, she had to see the book James and the Giant Peach in the bookstore to remember that the name James exists? Sure, girl. Okay. Just, what are we doing? Dave: [9:13] Really, all the book choices, right? Because there's a secret message exchange through your local tiny library system, which is kind of funny because it's a town of 20,000 people and there's like a big library there, but whatever. And the kids are exchanging messages in like a Catcher in the Rye novel. Tara: [9:30] First edition, it looks like. Dave: [9:31] By the way. Tara: [9:32] That someone's just leaving in a box that's probably not waterproof. Dave: [9:35] Do you think when they were sourcing books for Paradise, the city, they're like, well, we can take our pick because the rest of the book's going to be destroyed. All first editions, that's all we want. Alyson: [9:45] We'll just read them. Dave: [9:46] We're going to take those action figures out of their packaging and we're going to play with them. Tara: [9:51] I mean, I did think that about the books in the first season too, where it's like, why would anyone care to have a biography of Peter fucking Lawford in like the only library remaining on earth? Anyway, because Dan Fogelman has a few signature moves, I had to laugh at the Shailene Woodley pregnancy reveal at the end of episode one and how we didn't get to see her on day whatever when she finds out she's pregnant and has to decide if she's going to try to scavenge what she needs for a medication abortion, which I think would be very reasonable given her circumstances. Like, I know she's in Tennessee, but she's also almost a doctor. Like, she would be able to figure it out. This is one of my most hated apocalypse tropes. Like, see also Emily Blunt in A Quiet Place being pregnant, too. And that one was even dumber because you're going to bring a crying baby into a world where you're trying to be quiet around the aliens and have super hearing? Stupid. Dave: [10:41] If you're in an apocalypse, you're putting the whole box of condoms on. Tara: [10:45] Yes! Exactly! Exactly. Dave: [10:50] It's sponge worthy. Tara: [10:51] Yes, it is. Alyson: [10:54] 100%. Tara: [10:55] Yeah. I also wish we could have had any insight in that first episode into her thought process of why she couldn't join the crew of guys that she had obviously started to like. Dave: [11:05] I didn't get that either. Tara: [11:06] Staying in a basement alone with her beans. Alyson: [11:08] I think it was just speaking to her emotional trauma and inability to connect with others, but it is a stretch for me to even say that. Tara: [11:16] Yeah. Like, I don't think they give us story reasons to make that leap. Because by the time they get there, she's been in there for almost two full years by herself. Like, it's day 689, right? Isn't that what it is? Alyson: [11:28] And, you know, her life didn't seem very easy up until that point. Tara: [11:32] Yes. Alyson: [11:32] You know. Tara: [11:33] Did anyone else think that Link's ignorance about pop culture was going to end up being a clue that he is somehow a non-American spy? Because otherwise, I don't know why they made him that weird. Other than he's just a nerd, maybe. Like, he doesn't know Elvis songs. He thinks that Richard Hatch winning Survivor is arcane pop culture and all that. Dave: [11:51] He's an American from the Americans? Tara: [11:53] Yeah. I don't know. Dave: [11:54] Yeah. Well, first of all, I call that guy Chris Ash because he's not quite Chris Pine, but he's close. But, yeah, I guess I never really think about that. It was sort of weird. I mean, I think you're just supposed to believe that he had an insular life because episode three, we discover how he ties into the past. And he is part of what is going on under the dome in some sort of technical sense, perhaps. And he has to get back to the dome, as he says, to kill Alex. And I have a theory about what that is. Because we see the actor that Tara dislikes very much. I forget his name. Tara: [12:29] Patrick Fishler. Dave: [12:30] He is the developer of some piece of technology that the billionaire lady needs to run under the dome. And eventually she forces his hand. She sends the heavy and it's like, well, sign it and then you won't die. And he's like, nah, just shoot me. But anyways, his wife is named Alex, but I believe he names the program. Tara: [12:51] Whatever is going on. Dave: [12:52] The program is called Alex, like Whopper from Alex's Whopper from War Games. Tara: [12:58] Or Steve Jobs naming his computer Lisa after his estranged child he doesn't claim. Dave: [13:03] And then the computer bombed. Tara: [13:04] Which is kind of funny. Yeah. Dave: [13:06] And apropos, I suppose. But anyways, getting back to Chris Ash. The first episode of the season, I forget if we've made this clear or not, is basically this bottle episode. Am I saying that correct? It all takes place in Graceland, basically. Tara: [13:19] Basically, yeah. Dave: [13:20] And it involves nobody we've seen before. And the Graceland setting is not something we've seen before. It's absolutely, totally outside the dome. And she is eking out her existence in Graceland when this bad old biker gang, or so she thinks, comes and invades Graceland. Turns out they're okay. They're not there to rape and pillage and everything. No, they're nice. And he is part of that group. He is the leader and then a question remark, which we find out later, which I think is kind of surprising because he seems subordinate to a couple of the older guys. Alyson: [13:50] Yeah. He doesn't seem like a leader at all. Yeah. Dave: [13:53] So he's tied into all this sort of stuff, too. But getting to the first episode, even though the whole episode was a bottle episode and they had lots of time to tell that story, I still didn't buy that he and she were really into each other. That part of it didn't seem like they had enough chemistry to really sell that. Alyson: [14:09] I couldn't imagine him having chemistry with anyone. It was crazy because I tried to imagine being some of the last people living on earth. I wouldn't be attracted to him either. He had nothing. And even he shaves the beard or whatever. Tara: [14:28] Who cares, girl? I mean, he had a jawline that could cut glass. Let's not say he has nothing. Alyson: [14:32] I mean, not really my thing, I guess, but he didn't really have much to talk about. She cried when he touched her. I mean, you know, and again, she's been through a lot. The mother and her friend dying there and all of that. I get it. But I was more interested in her than I was with them. And I really am not buying that she's so interested in him coming back. Like, I didn't mind that the season opened with new people we hadn't seen before. But that part just felt really unnecessary, I guess. Tara: [15:05] Yeah. Alyson: [15:05] They should have tied him and the biker gang in in a different way, I think. Tara: [15:09] Yeah, I agree. I mean, after spending the first episode in a new environment, it did feel like a letdown to get back to Xavier's dumb wiener kids because I don't really care about them either. Dave: [15:18] Yeah. Tara: [15:18] And and whatever the revolution that the teens are doing in the bunker seems very low effort and poorly planned. Dave: [15:28] I mean, what do you expect? They're going to come up with a really great plan to overthrow the government or whatever? Tara: [15:33] But at the same time, it's like, I don't know why they're getting cracked down on so hard. I'll also say, barring the visuals of immigration detention for us to see the sub-sub-sub-basement bunker prison was in very poor taste. Like, with the chain link, I was like, I don't know about this. This is not the time. But I will give them Robinson making fun of Jeremy Bradford's hair only because it highlighted how big an ask it is for us to take him seriously as a resistance leader. like he's speaking of people who are nothing him yeah I will say, too, when we talked about the boat urchins, the Lost Boys already, when we hear they've been in a travel team together, but everyone else from their bus was gone, they ate them. Let's just say it. It's Yellow Jackets again. Dave: [16:16] I didn't think of that, but I love that backstory for them. Tara: [16:19] We don't know that. I'm just spilling it in. Dave: [16:21] It would be great. I know, but when they're looking at Xavier and Xavier is like healing, he had a stab wound and before that a broken leg or something. Tara: [16:29] Yeah. Dave: [16:29] If they were looking at him and if they smacked their lips a lot, that would have been a great little detail. Alyson: [16:36] You know, I did love that they were completely silent and pretty rude to him. And then when he started speaking loudly and slowly, they were like, oh, we speak English. Tara: [16:46] Yeah. Alyson: [16:46] Okay. You didn't give him anything to go on. Tara: [16:50] No. Alyson: [16:51] These indignant little children, they didn't even want to listen to a story. They were just like sizing him up. And then when they take his bag full of stuff, what do they have to gain from taking a book? I know they're not reading. The book with all the instructions and stuff. What did they need to take that for? Tara: [17:06] Yeah. Alyson: [17:06] I didn't like the kids. It's rare that I do like children thrown into this kind of environment. Even the teens under the dome, I don't care for them. No, I really don't. Tara: [17:17] And the problem is this being a Dan Vogelman show, the kids are going to come back. Like the urchins are going to have some kind of purpose later in the story. He never puts any character in. Well, that's what I said when he crashed. I was like, oh, great. He landed in the urchin forest. Dave: [17:32] The worse the earth is off, the less you need kids in your story. Tara: [17:38] Yeah. Dave: [17:38] Absolutely. Alyson: [17:38] Unless it's the road. Tara: [17:40] Mm-hmm. Alyson: [17:40] Yeah. Yeah. Tara: [17:41] I have to ask Dave, has it been harder to take Sinatra seriously as a villain after we spent a season watching her as Dance Mom on Hacks? Dave: [17:50] She was great as Dance Mom on Hacks, by the way. Yeah. She had a really good couple of years there. Tara: [17:55] She was nominated for an Emmy for both of these performances in the same year. Dave: [18:00] Good for her. Yeah, I wanted more Under the Dome stuff. What we get, I still love Under the Dome, right? because it's this question about why is a certain chunk, considerable chunk of the dome's power being siphoned off for a mysterious her project. And then there's an intrigue with the new president and what he's trying to do, you know, in a very populous way to up his numbers amongst the 20,000 residents of Paradise to treating it like it's still coast to coast polling and everything. They're still treating it like everybody in this small town is absolutely dependent on the government for absolutely anything, and they're just going to go along with it and try to write it out. You know, I realize they're giving lip service to democracy, but that's not the way it would work for this. You're just going to have an administration that knows how the actual life-preserving mechanisms and systems work, and you're just going to deal with that administration probably. But I still want to see more and more of that. And I hope as the season goes on, they'll return to that. Because there is actually some interesting stuff that happens after the third episode with the president. Tara: [19:08] Any other characters that you're very excited to see more of as the season goes on? Alyson: [19:14] So I hate Jane. Let me just say that. Tara: [19:16] Yeah. Alyson: [19:17] I hate her. I've hated her from the beginning. I really don't like the characters who pretend to be bimbos, but really they're super smart. Like, get the hell out of here, honey. I am curious about everyone there was hand-picked or chosen to be there. I'm curious about why she was chosen, like who chose her. I remember the psychologist saying that she chose everyone in there. I'm not sure what her role is. I feel like there's more to come from her. I didn't watch past the third episode. I didn't want to risk giving spoilers on here, but I'm hesitant to buy into the seemingly weaker female characters because, I mean, as Sinatra has shown, you can't trust them. I'm hoping I'm not disappointed by Gabriella, but also there is something about her. Even in the first season when she told Xavier to lie, she's playing both sides and I want to see to what end. Why? Tara: [20:10] You can't trust anyone with hair that long. Alyson: [20:13] Yeah, okay. Dave: [20:14] I have a theory. Tara: [20:15] It's all the way down her back. Alyson: [20:16] Oh, you have a theory. Let's hear it. Dave: [20:17] The presidential succession will come her way. I mean, not succession as in like we do it, but she will somehow get herself in office. Tara: [20:25] Interesting. Dave: [20:26] Or be installed by Sinatra in office. Tara: [20:28] I could see that. Be a blackmail, perhaps, with her microphone picture frame. Alyson: [20:32] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm curious about what she has going on. And Jane, I do need her to die because she killed my crazy white boy and I miss him. Billy Pace, rest in peace, honey. Oh, not the president. Tara: [20:47] Not the bald president. He's not your crazy white boy. Alyson: [20:50] The bald president? Okay, no, because I don't respect that he was screaming, crying, throwing up, and now he's pounding his fist on every table. Come on. I don't take him seriously. And no one else takes him seriously either. They just look at him like, come on. He's talking about we need to bring summer to the dome. Oh, my God. Okay, sure. That's top priority. Never mind everything else going on. Bring summer to the dome. Tara: [21:21] You know, people have ideas. They're not always good. Alyson: [21:26] Clearly. Tara: [21:27] He's going to melt the fake ducks in the pond with his summer plan. Well, I would say Paradise is still the dumbest show on TV to think that it's smart. I think that's adorable and I thoroughly enjoy how dumb it is. And I'm glad to have gotten you on board, Allison. Alyson: [21:44] I am so grateful. And listen, maybe it's the unemployment talking, but I have loved every riveting moment of this show. I can't wait to get back to it after this. Tara: [21:55] This is what we love to hear. Dave: [22:01] Got a lot of shows. It's a great time for shows. It is time to go around the dial talking about what we've been watching on TV recently, not necessarily recent TV. Tara, you're first. What do you got? Tara: [22:13] This is recent TV. I'm talking about Reality Check colon America's Next Top Model. This is Netflix's three episode documentary about the show. Loosely, the premise is that people started watching or rewatching it in COVID quarantine and seeing it through a contemporary perspective made it all the more obvious how fucked up it was. that the show did things like, for example, change models' races with makeup for a photo shoot, stage a different photo shoot where the models all had to look like beautiful corpses. Tara: [22:45] Fat shame models over a size four, including by not having clothes in their size at photo shoots when they obviously knew what size they were because they had their measurements, did cosmetic surgery on models with what seemed like the same level of workmanship you get in a home makeover show, which is it's meant to look good for the cameras but not hold up for the long term, and lure contestants by promising a real modeling career after the show when in fact none of the photos they did for the show could be used in their books because they were so heavily themed and even the model agencies that were contracted to sign them would not send them for castings because having been on the show tainted the models, like, obviously. The documentaries talk to all the key people who were involved, mentors and judging panelists J. Alexander, J. Manuel, and noted fashion photographer Nigel Barker. Nole Marin holding his dog in all of his interview shots like, dude. Ken Mock, who is the executive producer of the show. Don Ostroff, who was the executive at UPN and later the CW. And Tyra Banks. Tara: [23:45] Mock and Ostroff both come into it seeming like they think this is going to be about the show's amazing success, and they are not prepared to talk about the darker stuff that got so sensational in social media. Somehow they are not, which is crazy. And when it comes to, for example, the filming of what was framed as consensual sex but now seems more like a drunken sexual assault, every person who worked on the show passes the buck, so officially not sure whose idea it was to air it as far as the documentary is concerned. And Tyra knows what everyone thinks of her now. The only question she's not prepared for is how her friendship with J. Manuel ended well before they stopped working together on the show, which she just says she doesn't want to talk about. And they go to her for a final word, and she sort of, like, turns it around on us. Like, yes, I learned a lot. And, you know, remember, like, you have a lot to learn, too. Like, I didn't make this show. Shut up. Tara: [24:32] But this is excellent media training. I'll also give credit for implicating the audience in whatever learning she has to do, which is, you know, kind of fair. I did watch many seasons of this show. I let myself be led by the editing more than I should have for someone who considers herself pretty media literate. But I would say the documentary is not a must-see. It is edited in the poppy visual language of VH1 so that it undermines a lot of its more serious material. Like something really horrible will happen and then they'll just cut to J. Manuel making a face. It's like, no, this is not how you do this. If you can just find a blog post on however many most outrageous revelations in the doc, you are fine. But the show being back in the news cycle has led Tyra to threaten to bring it back for another season, and that should not happen. Alyson: [25:19] Really. Dave: [25:20] Is she blackmailing society? Is that what? Tara: [25:22] I mean, she's got a lot of confidence. Past the point of sense, I'll say. Dave: [25:28] Wasn't she serving hot ice cream or something? Alyson: [25:30] Yeah, she should stick to the Smize cream. Tara: [25:32] Smize and cream. Alyson: [25:33] Please be respectful. Tara: [25:34] Wait a minute. How did you, Dave, know about the hot ice cream? How did that cross your desk? Dave: [25:40] I don't know. I think maybe we talked about it before. Tara: [25:42] Oh, God. Okay. Alyson: [25:43] It's kind of everywhere right now. Tara: [25:45] I know, but usually not on Dave's internet. He reads a different internet than me. Dave: [25:50] It was one of those, as long as you have no follow-up questions, pieces of knowledge. But yeah, it did enter my brain. Tara: [25:55] Okay. Yeah. For my plug, I don't have anything new to plug other than the love story recaps at Decider, which are still going on. But over on the Overdue podcast, which is hosted by frequent guest Andrew Cunningham and Craig Getting, they just talked about the book Heated Rivalry last week. And that is probably going to be of interest to a lot of our listeners. So I will link that in the show notes. You can go listen to their conversation about that. Dave: [26:24] How much sense did that make to you, Alison? One to ten. Alyson: [26:30] Not much. Dave: [26:30] No, okay, great. All right, Alison, what do you got for us? Alyson: [26:33] Okay, my show is Tales of the Unexpected. It's hosted by Roald Dahl. And it's a bunch of different little strange, dark, creepy, funny stories. Some were in print before and adapted for the screen. Some are just for the screen. But it's some are by Roald Dahl. Some are by writers that he admires. It's in the style of like Ray Bradbury Theater or Alfred Hitchcock Hour. Just a creepy little tale. I bought some of the DVD. Oh, it is British. Let me just disclose that because I hate when someone recommends something to me and they don't tell me that it's British because I will start watching and I'm like, what the hell are they saying? Oh, wow. Dave: [27:16] This was on for a really long time. Alyson: [27:18] Yeah. Dave: [27:18] 1979 to 1988. Tara: [27:20] Whoa. Alyson: [27:21] Yeah. Yeah. It's good stuff. And I thank God for the people who have uploaded the episodes to YouTube. I started watching this when I was a very young child, which is maybe why I'm into weird dark shit now. Thank you, television. But I did find seasons one and two on Amazon. And like I bought the DVDs and I'll be hunting for the rest of the seasons. Yeah, I recommend watching it. It's on Amazon Prime or just YouTube, but it's not good quality. Hey, what do you want from me? What do you want? I can't do it all for you. All right. Even low quality, though, it is worth seeing. The theme song is a banger. It's just a little tune. There's no words. Just go with it. Dave: [28:05] I'm going to find it and I'm going to put it at the end of the episode. Tara: [28:08] Dave, I think you also need to isolate Allison saying thank you television for future use. Dave: [28:13] Okay. Making a note. Tara: [28:15] And what do you have to plug? Alyson: [28:17] I have a newsletter called Yes, I Was High When I Wrote This. It's yesiwishigh.substack.com. As the title suggests, I get high as hell and write about something. Don't ask me what the schedule is. Okay. I don't have one. The only promise is that I'm high. And then I will write it about whatever. Dave: [28:39] That is awesome. All right. Look for that in the show notes. All right, as threatened, me and Tara started watching The Rockford Files with James Gardner from the 70s into 1980, I think, which I was surprised it actually ran that long. And I am thoroughly enjoying it. Tara: [28:55] It's delightful. Dave: [28:56] I'm enjoying it more now than I would have if I was somehow old enough at the time to watch it, which I was alive, but I wouldn't have been interested. No lasers, no aliens. But now it's like a period piece, and they don't make a lot of hay about their locations, but it's fascinating to see all this LA restaurants and like Malibu coast and like all these dead businesses that are like so foreign to us. Like there's a, there was a, a tiki bar right on the Malibu shore where he parks his trailers slash office. And these are all real places. They're not doing that thing where they plaster over some sign over where they are. Like I look it up and all these places existed. They just went there and shot. The Tonga Lay, they had a Pele drink, Tara. I forgot to show this to you, but I found their menu. Somebody had a menu. They put it online. They took a picture of it. The Pele is a drink that comes in a giant volcano ceramic and is about the size of a dinner plate. And at the top is, I guess, like, you know, the actual caldera, where I assume you put a straw and drink whatever this crazy thing is. Alyson: [30:07] Oh, wow. Dave: [30:08] Lots of details like that that are yours to discover by watching The Rockford Files. Tara: [30:13] The Palace of Varieties, where they might have a dancing dog act, like for no reason, in the back of a shot. Dave: [30:19] A bar or restaurant called The Owl and the Turtle? Tara: [30:23] Yeah. Dave: [30:23] Just lots of things like that. Lots of settings where you sort of have a vague idea where they are. And the great thing about the Rockford Files is because the people that really watch the Rockford Files in the 70s, of a age when the internet first hit, there is a treasure trove of early internet information, factoids, trivia about the Rockford files on the net. If you search, like I searched, Tongale, was that a real place? Boom, blogger.com, old repurposed Geocity sites, all the sort of like web 1.0 information is yours. So like, not only is the show fun, but the research on the show is fun. Like there was one scene with some rich dude that Rockford goes to question. The scene was very, very green. So, you know, it was somewhere lush and rich that could water all their yards 24-7. We're like, is that Venice near the canals? Like, no, that canal's too wide. Finally looked it up as Toluca Lake, looked up Toluca Lake shooting locations, figured out the actual address of the house where they shot at, currently selling for $9 million on Zillow. Tara: [31:28] And a lot of it has not been updated because I clicked through all of those photos. You forgot to say the rich guy that lives in this house was played by James Woods. Dave: [31:36] That's right. Yeah, baby James Wood, pre-crazy James Wood. Tara: [31:40] I mean, not baby-faced. He's still kind of haggard. But there's another episode where a young James Cromwell looking like Shaggy from Scooby-Doo is like a tennis pro. Dave: [31:49] Looking exactly like Shaggy from Scooby-Doo. Tara: [31:51] Completely. It's great. And if you watch all of Columbo and you're like, I need something to scratch that itch, or you dipped when it got to the 80s like we did, Rockford Files will really scratch that itch for you. And it's better because he's not a cop. He's a PI, and a lot of the times cops are made to look like dumb bastards. Dave: [32:10] When you say better, you mean you like the show better, or you think he's a more ethical character? Tara: [32:16] Well, he's not a cop, so he's more ethical by definition. Dave: [32:19] But I'm just asking if you like Columbo more or if you like Rockford Files so far more. Tara: [32:23] I don't know. Dave: [32:23] Columbo is a different level for me. Tara: [32:25] Columbo, they're very different types. It's hard to compare them. Columbo is sort of like a sly, he's a sly genius at his job, whereas Rockford is a rogue. Dave: [32:35] Yeah, stumbles into a lot of his stuff. Tara: [32:37] He's a Han Solo type. Dave: [32:38] Yeah, but there's a lot of like touches about this series that I found very modern. Like even from the credits where the credits have this little gimmick where he's getting a message on his answering machine. And like the Simpsons on the blackboard, it's something different every episode, which is cute. But yes, it's dated. Obviously, all the fashions are dated, but I don't find it as slow as I expected. There is definitely scenes where it has that Columbo thing. There's that one scene I always remember from Columbo where he's at the DMV. He stands in line. We watch him stand in line in real time. He gets to the front of the line where he's talking to the clerk, realizes he forgot a piece of paperwork he needed, goes back to the back of the line with his new paperwork and goes through the line again. We were watching this. My mind was just dribbling out of my ear. What is going on here? Alyson: [33:28] Yeah. Dave: [33:29] Rockford Files has moments like that where he is walking to his car and he's da-da-da. So in many ways, it's like Columbo, but if Columbo had mandated two car chases an episode, and the car chases are pretty good for the time. A puzzling thing in the movie pilot, his car blows up, and then in episode one, he has the exact same car again. Tara: [33:51] He also has a different dad. Don't worry about it. Dave: [33:53] Yeah, different dad in the second one. Alyson: [33:55] I appreciate inconsistencies. Sorry. Sorry. Dave: [33:58] Yeah, it was just a fun little note. I mean, we didn't really have an idea and an appreciation for canon and continuity, I'm going to say, in television until something with a two in it, as far as years goes. Tara: [34:10] Oh, yeah. I mean, all of those old shows, like if you look up Murder, She Wrote, someone's been on it seven times playing seven different characters. Dave: [34:17] Yeah. Oh, yeah. Tara: [34:18] This used to happen all the time. It still happened into Law & Order at times. Dave: [34:22] And the other great thing about The Rockford Files is who's that person playing whatever? And you get some ones that obviously the pilot has. Tara: [34:31] Lindsay Wagner. Dave: [34:32] Thank you. Bionic. The bionic. I was about to call it a bionic lady. Tara: [34:35] No. Dave: [34:36] She's from the Gilded Age and she has robotic parts. The bionic woman. And you get a ton of hey, it's that guy's in this. So it's just fun. It's not second screen watching. It's like double first screen watching. You know what I mean? Like you get two shows in one. You get the show you're watching and you sort of get this research heavy meta show that you can do at the same time, which I really enjoy. Tara: [34:59] All six seasons are on Prime, and they're all long. Every season except for the last one is 22 episodes. So there's tons of it, which is great. Dave: [35:07] And James Gardner's great. Tara: [35:08] And he's wonderful. Dave: [35:09] I cannot see David Boreanaz playing this character in the remake. Tara: [35:12] He does not have- Yeah, Alison, they're doing a remake of it. Dave: [35:14] The swagger. Alyson: [35:15] Oh my God, they're doing a remake of everything. It's making me sick. I am going to watch this, though. Tara: [35:19] It's good. Yeah. You'll like it. Dave: [35:22] All right. Coming up on Extra Extra Hot Great this Friday, we're going to be talking about The Scrubs revival. Tara: [35:27] We're going to welcome speaking of remakes. Dave: [35:29] We're going to welcome back Beez or Laura to talk about that hospital show that is available to club members. If you're not a club member yet, first of all, shame on you. Second of all, extrahotgreat.com slash club for more info and to join. Then come back right here at EHG Prime in one week's time. We're going to be talking about the new network show, RJ Decker, with a poster that immediately says to me, this, my friend, is a network show. Tara: [35:52] Well, it is, but it's also a PI show, speaking of Rockford. So maybe it will scratch the itch that the David Boreanaz version probably won. Dave: [35:59] Scott Speedman. Tara: [36:00] Yeah. Dave: [36:01] So I don't know. It's giving me whiskey cavalier vibes. It could be dumb fun like that. So we welcome back Kim Reid to talk about that one week's time. It is time for the Extra Hot Great Cannon. Presenting today is Tara. Tara, take it away. Tara: [36:22] Okay. I'm going to be talking about Northern Exposure. And I think the only reason we have never had a canon submission for this show, which is one of the most beloved fish out of water dramedies of the 90s and a key part of the A&E afternoon programming block a certain class of home worker got addicted to in the late 90s and early 2000s, guilty, is that for a long time it wasn't streaming on a subscription platform. That changed when Prime Video added it a couple of years ago, but this might be the last pitch on Northern Exposure for a while because it is gone again as of the start of the year. But I made a note of this episode we're going to be talking about today during our still ongoing rewatch. So here is why I think season two, episode one, goodbye to all that is worth inducting into the canon. Number one, Joel is dealing with a real problem. Northern Exposure for the children is about Joel Fleischman, played by Rob Morrow, a Jewish guy from Queens who paid his way through medical school in part by accepting a scholarship from the state of Alaska. In exchange, she's required to spend five years working in the state, which has a shortage of doctors, as a community primary care provider. Tara: [37:30] Joel had reconciled himself to the idea when he thought he would be working in Anchorage, which has enough city amenities to meet his needs, but whoops, he's been sent to the very small town of Sicily on the Alaskan Riviera, full of quirky weirdos. For most of the first several seasons, Joel's primary character note is grievance. He complains about the demands on him in a place he never wanted to go. He fulminates about the weather and the cabin where he has to live. He likens his situation to indentured servitude. Joel's discovery of some new indignity to bitch about drives a lot of story. But in Goodbye to All That, Joel has something legitimate to bitch about as opposed to irritation that Maggie thinks a local dog is the reincarnation of her dead boyfriend, Rick, disbelief in Mike's environmental illness, or that his spy magazine, Rest in Power, has arrived three months late. On the eve of Joel's two-week vacation to New York to see his fiancée, Elaine, she sends him a letter, clip one. Dear Joey, hi. Hey, listen, I'm really sorry, and in a perfect world, I could tell you. Tara: [38:44] Fix your crown on the 18th, 2 o'clock. I'm sure by now your mother has cornered the market on pot roast in Queens. Do you think she actually tries to cook it to the consistency of shoelaces. Tara: [39:43] I know that when you get used to this, you are going to do just fine. Joel's bad news travels fast, since after finishing the letter and dropping it on the floor of his office, looking like one of the old ones when they go out on the ice, He fled, leaving his assistant Marilyn, played by Elaine Miles, to read it and spread the word. Having heard about this, Chris, John Corbett, invites Joel to double date with Chris, Chris's current Swarthmore grad student girlfriend and the grad student's friend from Brown. Joel's actually charming and relaxed, though he takes a break to bite Maggie's head off. Maggie, played by Janine Turner, on his way to the bar, clip two. Listen, I'm really sorry about you, Elaine. What's that supposed to mean? Don't be so defensive. I'm. Tara: [40:56] Man who is comfortable sending innocent sociopathic children to the big house, who am I to judge? But Joel has not impressed his date the way he thought he had clip three. Listen, you want to dance? I dance much better than I play pool. Tara: [41:21] 5,000 miles to get all sweaty with a guy who could be in my chem class. Joel soon finds himself in a fantasy sequence or dream in which he watches film of a long-ago ex calling Joel out for juggling girls, and then his own younger self telling him to pull himself together and be a mensch. Unfortunately, it has the opposite effect. He sadly reminisces to Ed, played by Darren E. Burroughs, about his best night with Elaine when she wore pearls in a black dress with spaghetti straps and they had iced cappuccinos in an outdoor cafe. He explains that he feels robbed of the closure they should have had. Later still, Maggie tries to snap Joel out of his funk using basically the same approach as his adolescent self-projection, but Joel is so distraught he can't even fight back against his favorite sparring partner, Clipfor. Tara: [42:10] What is this? What do you think you're doing, Fleischman? Nothing. Tara: [43:08] Much better. Good. I'm glad. Eventually, Ed gets the idea to make Maggie a surrogate for Elaine, with pearls, black spaghetti straps, an outdoor cafe table, and the brick's best approximation of iced cappuccino, to give Joel the closure he didn't get with Elaine. Seems like Joel has reached acceptance in his stages of grieving their relationship because he admits to Maggie that his sex life with Elaine was never actually that great. Clip five. I want to be out there, outside myself, outside my skin. I wanted sex to be like robbing. Tara: [43:55] Why? Well, it's 20 below. You're breaking a sweat. This early in the run of the show, Joel and Maggie are still firmly in the enemies phase of their enemies to lovers plotline. So they just follow this by having a beer together inside. The episode title is borrowed from Joan Didion's justly famous essay about leaving New York. The reference suggests that although right now Joel is saying goodbye to the future he thought he would have with Elaine, he may eventually give up more of the life he thought he wanted. and if the time is right, it won't be so hard. For now, Joel endures what is for a change, a genuinely devastating blow. Surviving it makes him stronger and might even make Maggie gain a tiny bit of respect for him. Number two, Shelley gets too much of a good thing, nay, the best thing. Hauling, played by John Cullum, has a surprise. He has bought Shelley, played by Cynthia Geary, a satellite dish, clip six. 200 channels. I know how you've always had your heart set on seeing the whole world. Well, now you can see it right from your home with me by your side. At first, that is how Shelley experiences the TV. The exotic new shows attract what seems like the whole town to watch together. But while everyone else can just watch for an evening and then return to their normal healthy lives, Shelley can't stop. Clip seven. Tara: [45:12] I have a headache. It starts here and. Tara: [45:31] Only the hottest soap opera in Puerto Rico, Holly. For the children, at the start of the clip, she is quoting an old commercial for Excedrin. I tried to find it. I did find text that proves it is for that brand, but I watched a lot of wrong ones that reminded me of the I Have a Headache This Big campaign that ran for years and years. God bless Excedrin. I miss it. Holling generously lets Shelley skip her shift to go lie down, but at 730, she comes back down in a prom dress and full hair and makeup to watch Wheel of Fortune. In the middle of the night, Holling catches her ordering junk off the home shopping channel, briefly excusing herself, claiming the baby's crying so that she can switch to Yo! MTV raps and dance along on the bar. When the shopping channel haul arrives via FedEx, of course, Hauling finds out she has spent the $4,000 they saved for their honeymoon on all of this junk. Tara: [46:21] Shelley blows off Hauling's first suggestion that she might be addicted, but the second one, delivered while she's watching what I think is a Japanese dub of Magnum P.I., that one lands, clip eight. Shelley, you watch the TV all the time. You don't eat. You don't sleep. Tara: [47:13] Drops a tray, goes to sweep it up. Then she brings the broom back to the TV and uses the handle to turn the TV back on. Star Trek Next Generation, 7. Tara: [47:55] After Shelly walks Chris through taking her confession like the priests she grew up with, she tearfully returns to the brick, apologizing to Hauling and agreeing that she has a problem. Clip nine. But I'm going to beat it. That's good news, Shelly. Tara: [48:57] As we were watching the episode this weekend, Dave asked if I was capable of being self-critical in the way the storyline would require, and I'm not totally sure what he meant. Like, I get the superficial similarity. Shelly loves TV. I also love TV, but she's an addict and I'm built different. But seriously, it is cute to see what anxieties a network TV writer might have had about technology changing the nature of their job in the year 1991 when barely anyone even knew what the Internet was and network TV's biggest competition was other channels on TV. Tara: [49:29] Besides that, it may be more latent in Shelly's case, but she, like Joel, seems to miss some aspects of city life. And yes, haha, I know Shelly's just a hick from Saskatoon, but that is a city comparable in size to Anchorage. On some deep subconscious level, watching live TV can make you feel connected to the other people in the audience with you, even if you can't see them. Shelly's finding community in the most antisocial possible way. She might eventually understand that TV doesn't have to be a substitute for the missing pieces of your life. It can just be a source of joy on its own merits if she gets to be more evolved like me. Number three, it shows that human stories can have meaningful stakes. It is fitting that we're talking about Northern Exposure in the same episode as Paradise. Both shows are about people bumping up against each other in a place where isolation can sometimes be challenging. Both shows are about protagonists looking forward to a future, maybe real, maybe not, when they might be able to escape their confinement. Tara: [50:22] It's why I've been saying since Paradise Season 1 that it should have been an absurdist Northern Exposures-style dramedy instead of a political thriller murder mystery. Just getting through life somewhere where the problems can't be solved with an overnight delivery or skilled expert can be hilariously frustrating and frustratingly hilarious. In this episode, Joel gets dumped to redirecting the life course he had mapped out for himself. When Elaine isn't there for him to fight about it, his mind externalizes a conflict with himself. Shelly is captivated and then captured by a literal world of entertainment suddenly becoming available right in front of her. Something so thrilling it sends her into a catatonic state, even when she's watching the tiniest television I've seen in years. Watching too much TV is normally a problem parents are supposed to be worried about kids doing, but if her relationship with Hauling were even slightly less stable, the effects of Shelly's TV addiction could be catastrophic. Tara: [51:11] Northern Exposure was famously fanciful with storylines about, for example, a mysterious barefoot man who lives in the woods and is also a Michelin-starred chef, or everyone in town dreaming one another's dreams, or having characters break the fourth wall to comment on the scenes they were currently in. But other than Joel's anxieties breaking from his subconscious at the movies or fantasies about himself being bombed with his Dear John letter, this episode is grounded not just in reality but in two very relatable crises. No one's in mortal peril, but there's still plenty of dramatic conflict. Someone please tell literally every TV executive that shows like this can also be compelling, because I feel like the only new one I watched last year was forever on Netflix, and we deserve more. And that is Northern Exposure's goodbye to all that. If you don't vote it into the canon, A, I'm dumping Dave in a letter, and B, I have plenty of other pitches in the queue from my many hours of watching TV in a productive, healthy way. Dave: [52:07] Huh. Don't know about that last bit. All right, Allison, am I right that Tara introduced you to Northern Exposure? Tara: [52:14] No, we just were both watching at the same time. Alyson: [52:16] No, no, no, you did. Tara: [52:17] Oh, I did? Alyson: [52:18] You recommended it to me a while ago, And it was, I think I was in the middle of watching something else. And I eventually got to Northern Exposure, though they took it off before I could finish. But I had seen this episode. This was one of my favorite episodes of the show so far. I had a different take, loved the episode for all of the reasons that you said. But I also felt like it spoke to the power of television. Listen, I also have watched a lot of TV in my day. when I was five years old, I begged my parents to give me a TV for my bedroom. That was for Christmas. And then for my birthday in March, I begged for a VCR. And it was strategic. I knew what I was doing. And I have a TV in my bedroom to this day. I need it. Television is my family. Tara: [53:06] Yeah. Alyson: [53:07] But I also feel like Shelly needs to go through things like that because she is a young girl. She's far too young for Holly. I mean, we can get into the age gap of it all. And I'm not one of those people who finger wags online for every little age gap, but didn't she just graduate high school? This is the kind of dumb young girl stuff that she's supposed to be doing. She shouldn't have some old man doling out her M&Ms. Girl, eat that bag and eat it fast and get a stomach ache and learn some lessons and watch TV all day till your eyes hurt and learn about yourself and learn about the world, she's using the only lens to the outside world that she has. And I think it's important for any person to do that as young as possible. I understand it was verging on addiction territory, but everybody's going to get addicted to something at some point in their lives, whether it's caffeine, television, or something harder. And I'm a fan of her doing this. And there was a scene where Ed was talking about everybody had gotten together to watch something on the TV. I forget what he said they were watching, but he said, it's kind of fun to watch anything with a bunch of people. Dave: [54:17] It's rugby. Tara: [54:18] Yeah. Alyson: [54:18] Beautiful. Yeah, that's beautiful. And that's so true. I love watching anything with a bunch of people. That's the power of television, baby. And Joel going through his heartbreak, I love that he had to go through that. And I love that it was so public. Forced vulnerability is a game changer in your life. When everybody knows your business for whatever reason, it's not great, but it does change you. He's changed after this. And I think that's beautiful. But yeah, these men, they're too old for Shelly. Tara: [54:50] Okay. Alyson: [54:51] And this episode, I thought it when I started watching and I was like, okay. You know, when I first started the show. But this episode really brought it on home. They're mad at a young girl for watching TV and eating M&M's. Come on. Let her live a little. You know? I don't know. It's a perfect episode, I think. Tara: [55:16] Dave. Dave: [55:17] I just want to mention up top, you did sort of connect the dots, but it was like seven minutes apart. But if you're listening to the first clip and you're wondering why there was gunfire at the end of that clip when he's reading the letter, that is the first fanciful black and white imagining in his brain where he is a World War I trench soldier getting fired on because of the bomb of the letter, I guess. Important information if you're wondering what the fuck was happening in Sicily, Alaska. You're talking about the weight for this episode. I imagine it's probably because they like took the time to get all the music rights because they still have everything. Like we heard the Magnum PI theme there that would have been expensive after the fact. I don't understand why it came and I was leaving again so soon. That seems weird. But maybe whoever owns the rights is holding out for a better offer. Dave: [56:03] Watching this episode, which I totally agree with, is like an exemplar of all the different things that makes Northern Exposure enjoyable, including the 90s of it all. But I just never really had the distillation that one of the defining traits of Joel is that he yells and gets angry at other people about other people. Like he'll yell at Ed about something girlfriend or Maggie or, you know, whoever did. And I just never really liked that little tweak on it where he's not mad at the world. He actually like directs it towards a person as if they're the one that slighted him. Oh, it was about he's yelling at Ed because Marilyn read his letter. That was it. This is not about this episode in particular, but I was struck by the fact that the food at the brick always looks uniformly terrible, which I appreciate because it's one of the few shows that always shows food in every episode. And I'm like, oh, I wish I had that. I don't because there's always like steamed broccoli or something on the plate. The french fries look like they were made yesterday. So thank you, Northern Exposure, for not enabling nighttime cravings. Absolutely agree with the, it's fun to watch TV shows when everyone's around, the sort of weird communal wonderland that happens when you have a whole bunch of people watching The Gilded Age or 9-1-1 or all the kind of stuff that we invite people over to the house to watch. Tara: [57:21] Dr. Odyssey, RIP. Dave: [57:23] Yes. How much QVC stuff do you think you can get in the 90s for 4K? Tara: [57:29] I mean, it probably would have been like, I doubt anything was over $20. Dave: [57:33] Yeah. Tara: [57:33] So a lot. Dave: [57:34] She had a big pile on the pool table after her winnings, but it didn't seem nearly big enough to me. Tara: [57:39] Well, one of the things was a Chia pet. Like, if that was shipped by itself, what's that, like $3? Dave: [57:44] Yeah. Tara: [57:44] It's cheap. Dave: [57:44] Hot dog phone? Yay? Nay? Tara: [57:46] Yeah. Hot dog phone's good. Dave: [57:47] Sure, sure, sure. Alyson: [57:48] Yeah. Dave: [57:49] One of the little details I liked that I don't think you mentioned was when he is doing the graduate wedding scene reimagining that he arrives on a dog sled. You know, it's obviously supposed to be New York City. Tara: [58:01] Yeah. Dave: [58:01] No snow on the ground with a dog sled gets them there. I thought it was really fun. The Confession with Chris, another quintessential Northern Exposure, Zen Chris moment where he's got to play the priest and he only knows the equivalent of his Hail Mary as he's do some Buddhist chants to get you through. Just like a lot of little things like that, that add up to a very Northern Exposure-y episode. And it has all the exemplars that make it great. And it's just packed. Like, that's the thing you forget about shows in the 90s sometimes, because unless you go back and make an effort to watch a whole bunch of them, you forget that, like, it's jammed and shows are a lot less dense, generally speaking. Certainly a show like this. It's a lot less dense now than it was then. Fewer characters, all that sort of stuff. So it's nice to come back to a show that demands your attention all the way through. Tara: [58:54] I mean, thinking about Paradise by contrast, like how many times did we see that shot of Link looking back at Xavier? Like it was four times per episode in all of the episodes we saw. Anyway. Dave: [59:04] The end scene of the episode where she has to get Hauling to turn the TV off for her is how I imagine I'm finally going to pull the plug on Utah. We're going to hook up whatever the machine is keeping you alive to that TV remote. We're going to put your thumb on the remote. We're going to press it together. Tara: [59:21] Yep. Dave: [59:22] And that's it for you. Tara: [59:23] That's beautiful. Dave: [59:23] Yeah, it is beautiful. All right. Let's put this to the official vote. Allison, what say you for this episode? Canon-worthy or not? Alyson: [59:30] Yes. Dave: [59:31] Yeah, me too. So. Northern Exposure Season 2, Episode 1. Goodbye to all that. you are hereby inducted into the extra-hot break-in. It is time to discover who is our winner and loser of the week. This week's winner is the TV show The Hunt. You may remember we did a whole episode on The Hunt that you've never heard because we had the episode in the can waiting for it to premiere. And then Apple TV's like, uh, it's just going to disappear this for a while. Nobody knew why at first. First speculation has something to do with some like actual The Hunt thing that happened in Europe somewhere, which was really creepy. But it turns out there was some problems with the sourcing of this movie. The guy who created it, oopsie doodle, forgot to mention that it was pretty heavily based on a book that became a movie in the 70s. So they had to stop and then get the rights for that in order for the show to actually go on air. And that's finally happening. I think I still have that commentary somewhere on my drive. So when it comes out, I can tack it on the end of whatever weeks. Extra, extra hot. great. That coincides with, but to spoil that discussion, it wasn't great. Tara: [1:00:57] No, it was boring. Dave: [1:00:58] Tara, loser of the week. Tara: [1:00:59] My loser this week is a former American Idol contestant, Caleb Flynn, who was arrested in Ohio for his wife's murder. And this is what happens when any reality show competition has been on long enough. In the fullness of time, someone will be accused of murder. And that's Just going to be across the board. Dave: [1:01:21] It also happens if you give your kid a children of the corn name. Tara: [1:01:26] That's true. Dave: [1:01:28] Well, speaking about bad omens, you know what time it is? Tara: [1:01:31] It's content. Dave: [1:01:32] It's content. Tara: [1:01:45] You can click through on that link. He kind of looks children of the corny as well. Dave: [1:01:49] I don't doubt it. Tara: [1:01:50] No. Dave: [1:01:51] All right, guys, this is a non-regulation game. Today, we're playing Three Title Problem from Amy Allen Spock, who earns herself an extra credit topic of her choosing, plus a free shirt from our store through methods.com. If you want to get your stuff in Three Title Problem, I am going to give you some titles of episodes and you have to name the show they are from. I'm going to give you one at a time. Yes, Sarah D. Bunting, listen to this. They are allowed to guess at every level. Okay. Up to three titles. If you still don't know it, I'm going to give you the year it started and the network or networks the show was on. Tara: [1:02:28] Okay. Dave: [1:02:28] Four points, three points, two points, one point. No steel meals. We're just going to play it. You know it or you don't. You get the points or you don't. Let's throw it to Piggy to see who is going to go first. We will start with valued guest. All right. Allison, you're in the hot seat. Alyson: [1:02:44] I'm nervous. Dave: [1:02:45] Don't be nervous. You got this. Tara: [1:02:47] This doesn't count. It's not regulation. Do whatever you want. Dave: [1:02:50] Everybody's still going to judge you, though. Just keep that in mind. Alyson: [1:02:52] All right. Dave: [1:02:52] Are we ready to play three title problems? Tara: [1:02:56] Yes. Dave: [1:02:56] All right. Allison, you can guess after every title I give you. Your first title is Nosedive. Nosedive. Do you know what show that is from? You can take a free guess, or if you're hopeless, you can just ask for the next clue. Alyson: [1:03:10] I'm hopeless. Dave: [1:03:11] All right. Your second episode title is The National Anthem. Nosedive, The National Anthem. Alyson: [1:03:19] You're joking. Dave: [1:03:22] I think you'll get it on the third one if you don't know it yet. The National Anthem, one of my favorite episodes of television of all time. Alyson: [1:03:29] Okay. I need the third one. Dave: [1:03:32] The third episode title is USS Callister. Alyson: [1:03:37] The listeners are booing me. They're booing me. I can hear it. All right. Dave: [1:03:42] If you still don't know it, I can give you the year and the number. Okay. This show debuted in 2011. The networks it was on, Channel 4 in the UK and Netflix. Do you know that show? Nosedive, National Anthem, USS Callister, 2011, Channel 4 and Netflix. Alyson: [1:04:00] I do not know this show. Dave: [1:04:03] All right. Alyson: [1:04:04] Ah! Dave: [1:04:04] No points, Tara. What's that show? Do you know? Tara: [1:04:06] It's Black Mirror. Dave: [1:04:07] Black Mirror. Yes. USS Callister, the only one they made a sequel to, I think. Right? The Star Trek-y episode. All right, Tara. Tara: [1:04:14] Yep. Dave: [1:04:14] Kissing Your Sister. Tara: [1:04:17] Next. Dave: [1:04:19] Congressional Ball. Tara: [1:04:20] The West Wing? Dave: [1:04:23] Inaugurations. Tara: [1:04:24] Veep? Dave: [1:04:25] Veep is good for two points. Yes. All right, back to Allison. Your first episode title is Red Light, Green Light. Red Light, Green Light. Alyson: [1:04:36] Okay. Dave: [1:04:37] I will let you know it's the first episode of this show. Your second title is Hell. Just Hell. Alyson: [1:04:45] Oh, man. I feel like I've never seen a TV show before. I've been talking about the power of television. The power is not in me right now. Dave: [1:04:55] All right. Third title, Stick to the Team. Red Light, Green Light, Hell, Stick to the Team. Put all those together. think about thematically what that could be. Red light, green light. Hell, stick to the team. I would say probably the most important word there is team. But red light, green light's a pretty big clue too. Alyson: [1:05:13] I don't know. I don't know this. Dave: [1:05:15] Show started in 2021 on Netflix. Tara: [1:05:17] Oh, that's not what I thought. Alyson: [1:05:19] All right. Dave: [1:05:20] And I will let you know it's a foreign TV show. Alyson: [1:05:23] There's no way. There's no way I'm getting this. Oh, it's a big show. Dave: [1:05:26] It's a big show. You might get it. Put a guess out there. Netflix, foreign TV show. red light green light hell stick to the team okay. Alyson: [1:05:34] I'm not trying to play a sympathy card but i don't have netflix and haven't in a very. Dave: [1:05:37] Long time all right yeah we're looking for a squid game squid game squid game oh all right tara yep dear billy i. Tara: [1:05:47] Feel like i know this but give me the next one. Dave: [1:05:49] The monster and the superhero next the mind flayer so they called me in my college days. Tara: [1:06:00] Uh i don't know next. Dave: [1:06:02] 2016 on netflix is when this debuted stranger things stranger things is good for one point all right allison once more with feeling once more with feeling. Alyson: [1:06:16] Uh let me get the next one. Dave: [1:06:18] Second episode title is hush once more with feeling and hush. Alyson: [1:06:26] Okay. Let's hear that. Yeah. Dave: [1:06:29] Seeing Red. Once More With Feeling, Hush, Seeing Red. You'll be happy to know Netflix is not involved with this one. Alyson: [1:06:40] I don't know if that can help me now. Dave: [1:06:43] Yeah. 1997. The show started on the WB, also on UPN. Alyson: [1:06:50] What are these episode names again? Dave: [1:06:52] In reverse order, Seeing Red, Hush, once more with feeling. Alyson: [1:06:58] I don't know this. Dave: [1:07:01] That is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Once more with feeling is that... Alyson: [1:07:04] Oh, that's on my list. I haven't seen it yet. Dave: [1:07:06] All right. Well, I won't tell you what once more with feeling is. Alyson: [1:07:09] Okay, thank you. Dave: [1:07:10] All right, back to Tara. Tara: [1:07:10] Yeah. Dave: [1:07:11] Crawl Space. Tara: [1:07:14] Next. Dave: [1:07:15] Face Off. Tara: [1:07:17] Next. Dave: [1:07:18] Felina. Tara: [1:07:20] No, fuck. I should have just guessed Breaking Bad. Dave: [1:07:22] Breaking Bad is good for... Tara: [1:07:24] Two points. Dave: [1:07:26] Back to Allison. Alyson: [1:07:27] Oh, God. Dave: [1:07:29] Teddy Perkins. Alyson: [1:07:30] They're going to kill me. Dave: [1:07:30] Teddy Perkins. Look, okay, look. We're going to get you a point during this game. This I promise you. Alyson: [1:07:39] Here we go. Dave: [1:07:39] Teddy Perkins. Alyson: [1:07:42] Okay, what's the next one? Dave: [1:07:44] Alligator Man. Alyson: [1:07:47] You're crap in my ass. Dave: [1:07:51] All right, third one. B-A-N. All right. This show debuted 2016 on FX, moved to Hulu, I think. Or at least they coded it. Tara: [1:08:05] I think it was always like FX. Dave: [1:08:06] Yeah, FX on Hulu or whatever. Tara: [1:08:07] Yeah. Alyson: [1:08:08] What are the episodes? Dave: [1:08:09] Teddy Perkins, Alligator Man, B-A-N as in an initial, initialism. I suppose that is a acronym. Alyson: [1:08:17] No, I don't. Dave: [1:08:18] All right. That is Atlanta. That is the show Atlanta. Teddy Perkins in the can. Alyson: [1:08:25] Yeah, I can't look at Donald Glover. I have a personal beef with him. Tara: [1:08:32] Oh, okay. Alyson: [1:08:33] Totally fine. Dave: [1:08:34] Tara? Tara: [1:08:35] Yep. Dave: [1:08:35] Join the club. Tara: [1:08:37] Next. Dave: [1:08:38] Long-term parking. Tara: [1:08:41] Next. Dave: [1:08:43] Pine Barrens. Tara: [1:08:43] The Sopranos. Yeah, good for two. Dave: [1:08:46] Oh, Alison knew that. She's angry. Alyson: [1:08:48] I finally, yeah, I finally knew something. It's okay, it's okay. Don't feel bad for me. Dave: [1:08:52] Here we go. Alyson: [1:08:52] Uh-oh. Wind it up, wind it up. Dave: [1:08:54] Uh-oh. Okay, wait, here's a clue. You hate one of the guys that's in this. Okay, here we go. Alyson: [1:09:00] Okay. Modern Warfare. That doesn't narrow it down, but okay. Dave: [1:09:04] Well, keep in mind, keep in mind, you know, just keep things in mind. All right. Alyson: [1:09:09] Okay. Dave: [1:09:09] Starring somebody you don't like. Tara: [1:09:10] That we may have just found that out. Dave: [1:09:13] Starring somebody you might have a beef with. Here we go. Modern Warfare. Alyson: [1:09:16] Okay. Dave: [1:09:17] What's that show? Alyson: [1:09:20] What's the next one? Dave: [1:09:22] Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. Alyson: [1:09:25] What the hell are we doing? Dave: [1:09:27] Don't forget, you can guess at every level. And this show stars somebody I know you have a beef with. And we don't hang out that much outside of this recording. So it's probably something you just mentioned. Alyson: [1:09:38] No, no, no. And trust me, I'm thinking, but I hate him so much. I don't know what he's in. Dave: [1:09:44] Okay. Alyson: [1:09:44] Oh, wait, wait, wait. Okay, no. Tara: [1:09:47] Say it. Dave: [1:09:47] Here we go. Alyson: [1:09:48] Is it Mr. and Mrs. Smith? Tara: [1:09:50] No. Alyson: [1:09:50] No? It's the one that it wasn't? Dave: [1:09:57] Third title is Remedial Chaos Theory. So you got Modern Warfare, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, Remedial Chaos Theory. You still got one more hint. Alyson: [1:10:09] What has that fucker been in other than Mr. and Mrs. Smith in Atlanta? Dave: [1:10:17] All right. You want the last clue? Alyson: [1:10:18] I'm blaming all my problems on him. Go ahead. Dave: [1:10:22] Damn you, Glover. Here we go. 2009 started on NBC. Moved to Yahoo, of all places. Tara: [1:10:30] Yeah, that was a weird thing that happened. Alyson: [1:10:32] 2009. Oh, Community? Dave: [1:10:34] Yeah! Alyson: [1:10:35] I got one! I got one! Dave: [1:10:39] Okay, this will take us into our score break. Tara. Halfway to a donut. Tara: [1:10:44] Next. Dave: [1:10:45] Marine won. Tara: [1:10:47] Is this the West Wing? Dave: [1:10:50] Good guess. 13 Hours in Islamabad. Tara: [1:10:55] Is this Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip? Dave: [1:10:58] No, good guess as well. 2011 Showtime. Tara: [1:11:02] Oh, Homeland? Dave: [1:11:03] Homeland, good for one point, yes. All right, Allison, I'm feeling good about this one for you. All right, I'm going to let you know, it's not the Muppets. Alyson: [1:11:13] Okay. God, I'm excited to see. Dave: [1:11:16] With that out of the way, I want you to really think about the nature of the first title and then we'll get a guess from you. Here we go. Alyson: [1:11:23] Okay. Dave: [1:11:23] Honeydew. Once again, not the Muppets. It's not about Dr. Benson Honeydew. Bunsen Honeydew. Alyson: [1:11:28] Okay. Dave: [1:11:29] All right. Honeydew. Alyson: [1:11:31] Okay. What's the next one? Dave: [1:11:33] Omelette. Alyson: [1:11:34] Oh, God. Dave: [1:11:35] Honeydew omelette. Thematic. Alyson: [1:11:40] Okay. What else you got for me? Dave: [1:11:45] Honeydew, omelet, fish. What do they all have in common? Alyson: [1:11:51] Food. Dave: [1:11:52] All right. All right. Maybe. Alyson: [1:11:57] Okay. Tara: [1:11:58] Sounds like a show about food that's not funny. Alyson: [1:12:01] Omelet. Oh, the bear. Dave: [1:12:05] The bear, yes. Oh, we forgot to do the score break. Oh, we'll do it after Tara's. Here we go. First episode is Mermen. Tara: [1:12:14] Next. Dave: [1:12:15] Second episode is The Art of Fuckery. Tara: [1:12:19] Californication. What if that was right? Dave: [1:12:22] Oh, man. Third title is This Is Happening. Tara: [1:12:30] Succession? Dave: [1:12:32] All right. This show started in 2022 on HBO. Wait for it. Max. Mermen, The Art of Fuckery, This Is Happening, 2022 HBO Max. Tara: [1:12:45] It's not hacks. That was 2021. Yeah, I don't know. Dave: [1:12:56] That was Our Flag Means Death. Tara: [1:12:59] Our Flag Means Death. Dave: [1:13:00] All right, let's get this course. Alyson: [1:13:01] Please. Tara: [1:13:02] Okay. Allison has three. I have eight. Dave: [1:13:06] All right. Allison, back to you. Alyson: [1:13:10] Three is more than I thought I had. Let me just say that. Dave: [1:13:14] These three titles are also incredibly thematic. So you might be able to piece it together, even if you haven't watched the show directly. Here we go. All sales final. All sales final. Tara: [1:13:27] Just spelled the normal way. It's not a pun. Dave: [1:13:29] No, no, no, no, no. As in ka-ching. Want that next clue? Alyson: [1:13:34] Yes, please. Dave: [1:13:35] All sales final. add to that Black Friday. Alyson: [1:13:41] Superstore? Tara: [1:13:42] Superstore is correct. Alyson: [1:13:44] Three points. Dave: [1:13:46] Nicely done. Alyson: [1:13:46] Thank you. Yay. Dave: [1:13:47] Employee Appreciation Day. It was the last one. Alyson: [1:13:50] All right. Dave: [1:13:50] Back to Tar. Tara: [1:13:51] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:13:52] Four minutes. Tara: [1:13:54] Battlestar Galactica? Dave: [1:13:56] That's 33 minutes. Tara: [1:13:57] Okay. Sorry. Jeez. Dave: [1:13:58] Duh. Alyson: [1:14:00] Strict in here. Tara: [1:14:05] Someone's core is getting unplugged tonight. But who? Dave: [1:14:11] Title number two. We're going to the Catskills! Tara: [1:14:17] Is this The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel? Dave: [1:14:19] It is. That's good for three. Alright, back to Allison. First episode is called Open Mic. Open Mic. I'm going to give you a little clue. We recently lost one of the people from this show. A lot of people dying every day. But one of them was on this show. Alyson: [1:14:36] That's for sure. uh okay what's the next clue singles. Dave: [1:14:41] Week open mic singles week. Alyson: [1:14:44] Okay what's the next. Dave: [1:14:47] Life is a cabaret. Alyson: [1:14:49] We just lost some the. Dave: [1:14:52] Next sense pretty good sorry what was that. Alyson: [1:14:53] We just lost someone from this show okay recently what was the okay what are the episode names open mic. Dave: [1:15:02] Singles week life is a cabaret. Alyson: [1:15:06] Okay, what's the next clue? Dave: [1:15:09] Started in 2015, was on both CBC and Pop TV. Do you know what CBC is? Alyson: [1:15:17] No. Dave: [1:15:18] I'll tell you. It's the Canadian Broadcasting Company. Alyson: [1:15:20] Okay. Tara: [1:15:21] Corporation. Dave: [1:15:22] Oh, yeah. Sorry. Corporation. All right. Alyson: [1:15:24] I don't know about this. Dave: [1:15:26] Canadian show, 2015, was also on Pop TV, which is something in the States. Lost somebody. Any guesses here? Tara: [1:15:33] It just started streaming on HBO Max. Dave: [1:15:36] Oh, okay. Alyson: [1:15:37] No, I don't know. Dave: [1:15:39] I think you're up a paddle on this one if you don't answer. Alyson: [1:15:42] Oh, no, Schitt's Creek. Dave: [1:15:45] Schitt's Creek, we'll give you that one point. Tara: [1:15:46] Nicely done. Alyson: [1:15:47] Yeah. Dave: [1:15:48] Victory. Tara: [1:15:51] Band of Brothers. Dave: [1:15:53] Diamond of the First Water. Tara: [1:15:57] Doctor Who. Dave: [1:15:59] A bee in your bonnet. Tara: [1:16:04] Suburgatory. Dave: [1:16:06] 2020 netflix we're all bunkered down in our houses possibly tiger king we were looking for bridgerton bridgerton. Tara: [1:16:21] Oh god that's right it was 2020. Dave: [1:16:22] All right allison here we go all right your first title is the sexless innkeeper. Alyson: [1:16:31] For some reason, I feel like I should know this. Maybe. Okay, what's the next? Tara: [1:16:38] It was on for a really long time, so it's possible you've watched it. Dave: [1:16:41] Your second episode title is Slap Bet. Slap Bet. The Sexless Innkeeper and Slap Bet. Alyson: [1:16:49] Okay, what's the next one? Dave: [1:16:52] Slutty Pumpkin. The Sexless Innkeeper. Slap Bet. The Slutty Pumpkin. Alyson: [1:17:01] Yeah, I don't know. Dave: [1:17:04] This debuted 2005 on CBS. Tara: [1:17:09] I would say play a little bit of The Star's wonderful single, but I don't think that would help. Dave: [1:17:15] Don't have it on hand. I could sing it. Alyson: [1:17:17] I don't know. I don't know it. Dave: [1:17:21] We were looking for How I Met Your Mother, the big slap bed episode. All right. Tara. Tara: [1:17:27] Yeah. Dave: [1:17:27] A ladle full of scorn. A ladle full of scorn. Tara: [1:17:32] Adventure Brothers. Dave: [1:17:34] The Irishman. Sounds like also sounds like Adventure Brothers. Tara: [1:17:37] It does. Dave: [1:17:38] Actually, all these sound like Adventure Brothers titles. Tara: [1:17:41] The Irishman. Dave: [1:17:43] The Irishman. Tara: [1:17:44] Next. Dave: [1:17:45] The Minted Aristocrat. Tara: [1:17:51] My name is Earl. Dave: [1:17:55] 2022 on HBO. A ladle full of scorn. Tara: [1:18:01] The Irishman. Dave: [1:18:02] The minted aristocrat. Tara: [1:18:04] Industry? Dave: [1:18:05] Nope. This is the Gilded Age. Tara: [1:18:10] Oh, fuck. Dave: [1:18:12] Allison, top banana. Top banana. Alyson: [1:18:20] Arrested Development. Dave: [1:18:21] Arrested Development is our first four-point answer of the game. Yes. Tara: [1:18:25] Woo! We are tied, Allison. Alyson: [1:18:28] Wait, are we really? Tara: [1:18:29] Yes, we're all tied up. Alyson: [1:18:31] Wow. Dave: [1:18:32] This will take us into our penultimate score break. Tara: [1:18:34] Oh, my God. Dave: [1:18:35] Your first title, Tara, is Opening Night. Tara: [1:18:40] Only Murders in the Building? Dave: [1:18:42] Our second forefine answer. The boy from 6B, I Know Who Did It. Did you know that or was that just a blind guess? Tara: [1:18:49] No, there's an Opening Night episode. Dave: [1:18:52] We need the scores, please. We're almost done. Everybody has four questions. Tara: [1:18:55] Okay. Okay, Allison has 11 points. I now have 15. Dave: [1:18:59] All right, close game. Closer than Allison thought. Alyson: [1:19:02] Still anyone's game. That's for sure. Dave: [1:19:05] Allison, chaos is the new cocaine. Chaos is the New Cocaine. Tara: [1:19:12] A wonderful, terrible show. Dave: [1:19:14] Yes. Tara: [1:19:15] We have watched every episode of it. Dave: [1:19:18] It's so bad. Tara: [1:19:19] It's so stupid. Alyson: [1:19:21] Wonderful, terrible show. Tara: [1:19:23] No, it's not. But it's like on a continuum with paradise in terms of what it thinks it is versus what it is. Dave: [1:19:28] They all live a sheltered life. Alyson: [1:19:30] Okay, what's the next one? Dave: [1:19:32] In the Dark Night of the Soul is always 3.30 in the morning. Alyson: [1:19:36] You're joking. Dave: [1:19:38] In the dark night of the soul, it's always 3.30 in the morning. Tara: [1:19:42] Mmm. Alyson: [1:19:44] Oh. Is this the morning show? Dave: [1:19:47] It's the morning show, but for three points, the pendulum swings was your last clue. Alyson: [1:19:51] I should have known when you said a terrible show like Paradise, because yeah. Dave: [1:19:59] Yeah, UBA is the dumb. Tara: [1:20:01] UBA. It's UBN now, I think, because they merged. Dave: [1:20:05] Tara, make your mark smash do your job sports night the audition we're. Tara: [1:20:17] Sure it's not smash. Dave: [1:20:18] We're sure it's not smash certainly sounds like it could be. Tara: [1:20:21] The mary tyler boar show. Dave: [1:20:25] 2018 on Home Box Office. Tara: [1:20:29] Is this succession? Dave: [1:20:31] Make your mark, do your job, as in hit job, the audition, as in acting. This is Barry. Allison, feeling good here. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. We'll see. Alyson: [1:20:41] Yeah, I mean, I'm all right. I'm doing okay. Tara: [1:20:44] There's one point separates us. Dave: [1:20:46] Cultural osmosis might be your friend here. Here we go. Jose Chung's from Outer Space. Jose Chung's from Outer Space. Tara: [1:20:55] This is a show that's about to get a remake with Ryan Coogler. Dave: [1:20:59] So it might not be terrible. Whoa, look at all this information that Tara's giving, unauthorized. Alyson: [1:21:02] Oh, well, look, that's my girl. Let her help me. Tara: [1:21:05] It's a non-regulation game time. Who cares? Alyson: [1:21:10] Is it X-Files? Dave: [1:21:11] It is X-Files. Tara: [1:21:12] Four points, yes. Dave: [1:21:14] Clyde Bruckman's final repose. Thank you, Tara. Tara: [1:21:16] You're welcome. Dave: [1:21:17] And Beyond the Sea. All right, Tara. Tara: [1:21:20] Yes. Dave: [1:21:20] Leave it to Beaver. Tara: [1:21:23] Veronica Mars. Dave: [1:21:24] That's good for four points, yes. back to allison in the shadow of two gunmen. Tara: [1:21:31] I've already guessed this several times. Dave: [1:21:36] In the shadow of two gunmen what's. Alyson: [1:21:39] The next one. Dave: [1:21:40] Two cathedrals not every episode has the word two in it but these two do two cathedrals. Alyson: [1:21:52] Um i don't know. Dave: [1:21:54] What's the next all right the third title is also like a trivia tidbit people love to drop it is what kind of day has it been because the writer of this show has other shows and there's always a show title called with that title or sorry there's always an episode called this, yes. Alyson: [1:22:12] I don't know. Dave: [1:22:13] All right. This show started in 1999 on NBC. Alyson: [1:22:18] What are the, can we say the, oh, is it, is it West Wing? Dave: [1:22:22] It's West Wing. Good for one point. I was about to say the second show that involves mushrooms that we've talked about today. If you know what I mean. Tara: [1:22:30] Okay. Yep. Dave: [1:22:31] Tara. Tara: [1:22:32] Yes. Dave: [1:22:32] Beloved aunt. Beloved aunt. Tara: [1:22:36] Oh, that sounds so familiar. Going to the next one. Dave: [1:22:42] The ski lift. Tara: [1:22:45] Frazier? Dave: [1:22:48] Palestinian chicken. Getting political. Tara: [1:22:51] Oh, this is Curb Your Enthusiast. Dave: [1:22:52] That is good for two points, yes. Everybody has one question left. I want the scores. Tara: [1:22:57] Okay, they're still so close. Allison has 19. I have 21. Dave: [1:23:02] All right. Here we go. Are you ready, Allison? Alyson: [1:23:07] Oh, I'm more ready than I'll ever be. Dave: [1:23:10] All right. Tara: [1:23:10] I want you to win. Dave: [1:23:12] Here we go. Tara: [1:23:13] I'm not going to throw it, but I want you to win. Dave: [1:23:16] Okay. Alyson: [1:23:16] Thank you. Dave: [1:23:17] A, great time for a four-point answer. B, very possible. Tara: [1:23:21] Here we go. Dave: [1:23:23] Your first episode title is called The Trolley Problem. Alyson: [1:23:28] Oh. Dave: [1:23:30] The Trolley Problem. Features heavily in the episode called The Trolley Problem. Tara: [1:23:34] Mm-hmm. Alyson: [1:23:36] Stupid, stupid, stupid. I don't know. Dave: [1:23:38] Do I get it? Do I not get it? I'm stuck in the middle. I don't know where to go. Alyson: [1:23:42] It sounds so familiar. Dave: [1:23:44] Yeah. Alyson: [1:23:45] But, you know, what's my next? What's the next one? Dave: [1:23:49] The Book of Dugs. The Book of Dugs. Alyson: [1:23:53] Maybe I don't know this. Who the hell? Yeah, I don't know. Dave: [1:24:00] Okay. Alyson: [1:24:00] Yeah. Dave: [1:24:01] The worst possible use of free will. A trolley problem. The Book of Dougs, Worst Possible Use of Free Will. Alyson: [1:24:11] Yeah, no bells are ringing for me. Dave: [1:24:14] This show started in 2016 on NBC. Alyson: [1:24:19] I don't know it. I don't know it, you guys. I'm so sorry. Thank you. Tara: [1:24:24] It's not a very good show. Dave: [1:24:26] Shots fired at The Good Place. Tara: [1:24:28] It's The Good Place. Alyson: [1:24:30] Oh, okay. Dave: [1:24:32] Okay, Tara. Tara: [1:24:33] Yep. Dave: [1:24:33] Your first episode title is The Tragedy. Tara: [1:24:37] Next. Dave: [1:24:38] The Rescue. Tara: [1:24:43] 9-1-1. Dave: [1:24:46] Third title, The Marshal. Tara: [1:24:48] Justified. Dave: [1:24:50] This show debuted 2019 on Disney+. Tara: [1:24:57] Hmm. So it's probably a Marvel show. But it's not WandaVision. Is it like Captain America, the Captain America show? That title I don't remember. Dave: [1:25:08] Captain America, the America show featuring Captain America, the first adventure. Tara: [1:25:13] Yeah, whatever. Yeah, I don't know. Dave: [1:25:15] Obviously, I don't remember the real title. It's about a man in a suit. I'll give you that much. Tara: [1:25:18] Okay. Dave: [1:25:21] Your points are over, but you want to guess again for Schitt's and Gringles. Tara: [1:25:24] Sure. Dave: [1:25:24] Let me just say, you were kind of close when you guessed Justified. Tara: [1:25:28] On Disney Plus? Dave: [1:25:30] Yeah. Tara: [1:25:30] This is the Disney Plus original show? Dave: [1:25:32] Uh-huh. Tara: [1:25:32] Is it live action? Dave: [1:25:36] The Tragedy to Rescue the Marshal. Tara: [1:25:40] It's not Doogie Gamalola, MD. Dave: [1:25:42] No, it's not. Tara: [1:25:43] I don't remember. Dave: [1:25:44] Do you know Allison? Alyson: [1:25:46] No, no. Dave: [1:25:47] This was The Mandalorian. Tara: [1:25:49] Oh, sure. Dave: [1:25:50] Yes. Tara: [1:25:51] I forgot about the Star Wars. Dave: [1:25:52] Featuring the guy from Justified. Basically playing the guy from Justified again. Tara: [1:25:56] Right, it's true. Dave: [1:25:57] All right, that's regulation scores, please. Tara: [1:25:59] This was so close. Allison finished with 19. I had 21. Dave: [1:26:03] Ooh, very respectable. Tara: [1:26:03] This really was anyone's game. Dave: [1:26:05] All right, but there's one more question that's worth three points. Tara: [1:26:08] Okay. Dave: [1:26:08] And only Allison gets the guess. Tara: [1:26:10] Great. Dave: [1:26:10] Here we go. Allison, your first episode is called The Dinner Party. The Dinner Party. Let me just say, millennials fucking love this show. They could liquefy it and stick it in their veins as they would. Alyson: [1:26:25] Oh, God, there's so many of those. Dave: [1:26:27] It's also an import. It's a remake of a porn show. Alyson: [1:26:30] Oh, The Office? Dave: [1:26:31] The Office, yes. Tara: [1:26:32] Yes. Dave: [1:26:34] Our very engineered game is at an end. Final scores, please. Tara: [1:26:39] Well, now it's, I had 21, but Allison wins with 22. Alyson: [1:26:44] No, no way. Tara: [1:26:48] Valued guest. Valued guest. Alyson: [1:26:52] Nobody comment about how that was rigged, okay? Dave: [1:26:55] The TV girl nobody loved just won the TV Super Bowl. All right, guys. That is it for another episode of Extra Hot Great. We bought three tickets to Paradise before going around the dial with stops at Reality Check, America's Next Top Model, Potlidum, Tales of the Unexpected, and The Rockford Files. Tara: [1:27:17] Potlidum did come up in the documentary, by the way. Go on. Dave: [1:27:20] Tara stopped watching TV long enough to make her successful case for Nose on Exposure's TV addiction episode. We crowned winners and losers of the week in Allison. And what I'm going to say was a rout, is the winner of this week's Game Time from Amy. Next up is the Scrubs revival with guest Beez or Laura. Remember... I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tara Arellano... Tara: [1:27:47] We're this close to losing it. Dave: [1:27:49] The absent Sarah D. Bunting and Allison Lewis. Alyson: [1:27:54] Oh, shit, I forgot to say something. Dave: [1:27:58] This is what you say. You went down like a clown, Tara Arellano. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra Hockey. Alyson: [1:28:09] I'll wager. You can't keep from watching that TV for five minutes. Of course I can. Dave: [1:28:14] Then do it. All right, stay tuned for the theme to Tales of the Unexpected. Tara: [1:28:20] Woo! Bye-bye. Alyson: [1:28:59] Thank you, television.