Going Long On Long Story Short

Clip: [00:00] I should suffer in silence? Yes, that is what today is about. We are all suffering in silence. Dave: [00:11] This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 577 for the week of August 25th, 2025. I am Funky Dunky Christmas David T. Cole, and I'm here with Premature L'Chiam Sarah D. Bunting, Baby Felstein's new best friend, Tara Ariano. Sarah: [00:29] It happens to everyone. Tara: [00:33] We're hanging out, so we can't come. Dave: [00:35] And abandoned emergency kit, Eli Yulin. Eli: [00:39] I'm packs with flares. Tara: [00:43] Welcome to Extra Hot Great for another week before we get into the episode. It is, of course, the end of the month, and you know what that means. Time to remind you about Patreon. Keeping this as short as possible, as we record this, we're less than $40 away from hitting our next membership campaign milestone. We know that number is going to dip down when the month rolls over, because it always does. 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Oh, it's nice to know that you guys do Patreon goals that aren't just objectly embarrassing things to subject yourself to. You're like, we'll hit our goal and we'll do live TV commentary. And meanwhile, on our podcast, we're like, we will do the NFL Combine if we hit 2,000 subscribers. Tara: [02:10] I mean, I watched all of the Death Nut Challenge and it changed me. Eli: [02:13] A pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. Dave: [02:15] Thank you. Tara: [02:15] Thank you for coming. We are talking about long story short in which the Schwooper family, Elliott Cooper, voiced by Paul Reiser, Naomi Schwartz, Lisa Edelstein, and their children Avi, Ben Feldman, Shira, Abby Jacobson, and Yoshi, Max Greenfield. Celebrate happy moments like Yoshi's bar mitzvah, Elliot and Naomi's anniversary, and an elementary school winter recital that is definitely not about Christmas, except it is, of course. They help each other through hard moments like funerals, friend breakups, and an intervention. Many of these celebratory and mournful events happen simultaneously because that's life, baby. The timeline jumps around, mostly in the 21st century, but occasionally skipping back. To the 90s and once to the 1950s to give context to the conflicts occurring in whatever present we're in. The show was created by Raphael Bob. Waxberg and designed by Lisa Hanawalt, who previously collaborated on Bojack Horseman. The show has already been renewed for a second season. All 10 episodes. Of the first season dropped August 22nd. We may talk about events from any of them. Let's do the Chen check-in. Eli, should our listeners watch? Long story short. Eli: [03:23] Yeah, I think I enjoyed it. Sarah: [03:24] Uh, yay, for me. I liked it a lot. Tara: [03:27] Dave Yeah. Dave: [03:27] Yeah, I also enjoyed it a lot, but the first episode was also a lot, and I had some trouble processing it. Tara: [03:34] Well, I have a question about that. It's a yes for me as well. I watched the first episode by itself and then I watched nine in a row afterwards. So I loved it too. Dave: [03:41] 12 I thought you were going to say there's no chews in Japan. Tara: [03:43] Eli, when I asked you on for this episode and you've already mentioned this or glanced at it, you said you were always up for talking about hand-drawn animation. What did you think of the visual style of the show and how it served the story? Eli: [03:52] I liked it a lot. I I read an interview with Lisa Hannah Wald, who's great, obviously, like Bojack Horseman, Tuke, and Bertie, and just I knew her illustrations before that. And it was nice because she said, you know, she got kind of pigeonholed, no pun intended, into drawing animals and that she got to draw more human characters on a personal connection level. She was like, I don't like doing backgrounds. And I was like, I'm with you. That's. I feel like everybody divides one way or the other, where you want to do an animated show and you're like, I love drawing weird little guys. And then they're like, Can you draw an accurate apartment building? And you're like, why would I want to do that? But for hand-drawn animation, this is still hand-drawn for sure, but it is by the nature of things because it's so time-intensive and expensive, done probably with motion graphics as well. The only place really still doing frame by frame, because it's again so such a huge barrier, is basically Japan. And to be fair, there aren't a lot of fight scenes in the story of a Jewish family through the ages. Yeah. Now, would I like it if one of them had powers and there was a tournament arc? Yeah, I would. But, you know, there's it doesn't seem likely from what I've seen. Sarah: [05:00] Now season two. Dave: [05:01] You know what part of the character design I really enjoyed was their teeth. And their teeth have this particular look, and it was bugging me for a while what it was. And then it dawned on me: it's the teeth of 80s denturads, where they drop the fake teeth into the glass to show you the effervescence. Tara: [05:15] Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Dave: [05:20] It is those teeth exactly. Tara: [05:21] Yep. Eli: [05:21] Yeah. Dave: [05:22] So, well done, animators. Tara: [05:22] Mm-hmm. Eli: [05:24] Teeth is funny for animation because you get into uncanny valley territory very quickly. Tara: [05:26] Mm-hmm. Mhm. Eli: [05:28] If you draw teeth accurately, you just automatically end up everybody looks like Venom. Like, it's crazy, you know. You kind of just got to go with either the bar. Or the the pokies, those are the two. Tara: [05:38] Mhm. Dave: [05:39] Yeah, but it's also a question of the number of teeth, right? There's too many teeth in animation. Tara: [05:42] Mhm. Eli: [05:42] Oh, yeah. Dave: [05:43] It's sort of like why you either have three or four fingers, usually with hands. Tara: [05:46] Right. Eli: [05:46] Uh-huh. Dave: [05:47] Just like animating all your fingers somehow is creepy. Eli: [05:48] Yeah. Tara: [05:51] Mm-hmm. Eli: [05:51] You don't want a cartoon character opening their mouth to reveal thirty two teeth. That is unsettling. Sarah: [05:57] Yeah, no. Tara: [05:59] Unless scavengers reign, then I think you need to see every one of those teeth and more. Dave: [06:01] Oh, sure. Eli: [06:02] Oh yeah. Tara: [06:03] Dave already glanced at this. Some series premieres give a sense of the show at it. It's mostness, so viewers know right away if they should dip. Did you feel like that's what happened here? Dave, it sounds like you did. Dave: [06:15] Huh, yeah, I didn't really think of it as a filter for people. The first episode is going to test you, but I suppose it did. It didn't, it wasn't like I was watching it through my fingers. It just did a really good job. Of setting the table of what it would be like to live in this family. And there were moments of it where I'm like, oh, is my mom Jewish? Like, it was like. Where the difference being, she had that waspie doing everything covertly, where this family, and this is going to sound weird, refreshingly putting everything on the table when they're angry at each other. Tara: [06:46] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dave: [06:53] Overt passive aggressiveness. So, those moments where it's just like, Well, there's no pleasing you, is there? Except this the whole episode. I'm like, I get it. Is doing a really good job making me understand everybody right away, which is very hard to do in a first episode. Tara: [07:07] Mhm. Yeah. Dave: [07:10] But I got Everybody. Tara: [07:12] Mhm. Dave: [07:12] And yes, they all have a dominant trait, but I didn't think they were like cookie cutter characterizations. So I thought the pilot, despite the fact I'm going through some of it, I thought was great. But it is a lot. Eli: [07:27] Yeah, I mean, definitely again, as someone Jewish field, the mom is turned up to 11. And it's definitely a kind of you're like, okay, let's this is aggressive. So, yeah, it's very much the experience. Mom's turned up to 11. The Holocaust comes up immediately. Then they make a joke about it. This is the experience of the Jewish families. Tara: [07:44] But Sarah, you have a southern mother-in-law, and I feel like there's some crossover there as well. Sarah: [07:50] My notes literally say, ah, the Jewish Miss Evelyn. Yeah, that was absolutely like, we're happy to have you. I'm just saying, is my brother's mother-in-law, who is Jewish, and was my mother-in-law, who Was not, but they're you know, the mother-in-law ribbon of RNA, I guess, spiritually, that goes through this. Like, it was a lot, but there is definitely, like, passive aggressive and aggressive-aggressive. Momness in here. What I really liked about it, and it's one of those things that I didn't really think to myself. Consciously, like, oh, this is one of the pluses of the show. It was more like the absence of something annoying. Regular listeners know that one of my trials of Comedy for fam comms for me is that nobody in the writer's room appears to have had siblings or know how Adult siblings relate to and speak to each other. This was not an issue at all. And especially in the second episode, and ad The way that these grown siblings were speaking to each other and seeing each other, even when the siblings weren't necessarily aware of it. I thought it was really well done. It was sweet, but not saccharin. And it's really easy for shows of all genres to just not really Get how brothers and sisters talk to each other, and to just get that right and not be like, why am I annoyed by this argument or this relationship? Or that he's like, I check in, we play words with friends, and like, I don't know. Adult siblings who are trying to sort of like navigate their friendship as grown-ups. That's a very, Sort of familiar thought process and conversation, and I thought the writing really understood what families that are fond of each other but still dysfunctional, which is like most of them. What that looks like and sounds like. So I thought it was great. Tara: [09:52] A lot of this is very specific, as Eli said, to the Jewish American experience. Obvious to say about a show whose series premieres about a bar mitzvah, but I think there are probably people from a lot of ethnic backgrounds who would also say, My family doesn't really do low-key, I can say from experiences. Coming from Italians, and you saw them in the fishes episode of the bear. There's a lot of similarity there as well. And I think what's the point of anything so mom doesn't have a connection about it is going to resonate across a lot of. A lot of cultures. Sarah: [10:22] Oh my god, yeah, like even German Hoosiers that you're like, do you people yell? Like, yeah, we do about each other versus at each other, but yeah, it's like. Things that you're doing so there isn't interruption, definitely a melting pot of an experience, I would say. Eli: [10:38] There's for me, it's at least to my parents, it's kind of a reversal. It's my dad is the kind of classically neurotic one. So there's definitely a lot of just do it. And You know, there's a long time where we would go out to dinner or go out to a restaurant and the routine was just let dad pick the table. Because if we pick a table, that when someone said, Is the vent going to be a problem for grandma? Sarah: [10:59] Oh, my God, yes. Eli: [10:59] And I was like, The vent Many vents have been a problem for my father. The variable temperature of different zones within a restaurant have been an issue multiple times. Sarah: [11:08] Oh my god. Dave: [11:08] Uh-huh. Eli: [11:10] So Yeah. Sarah: [11:10] And then negotiations leaving the house. And it's like, you should bring a long sleeve shirt. Dave: [11:14] Yeah. Sarah: [11:15] Okay. Well, if I don't have to sit under the vent, okay. Dave: [11:19] At what point in a parent's life does that switch happen where twenty percent of the conversation is about the temperature? In the house, where the AC sit at, what's outside, where am I going, how am I going to be dressed? Sarah: [11:29] Yep. No, me too. Tara: [11:32] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [11:33] Mhm. Dave: [11:33] It's universal. Tara: [11:34] Yes. Sarah: [11:35] Yeah. Eli: [11:36] Got a the car we have as the you know, the separate AC for each side of the car, which is useless. It does not w work. Because it's a four by four space or whatever, but he oh man, he's he's tuning that thing in, like is trying to extract some sort of dangerous sub solution from it. And he got one of those temperate those thermometers that tells him the temperature inside and outside. Tara: [11:58] Uh-huh. Eli: [11:58] And he's reading that thing off to me twice an hour when I'm home. He's letting me know Every fluctuation. Let's 85 outside, but 79 in here. All right. Thank you. I will carry on with my day accordingly. Thank you so much. Tara: [12:13] As the series goes on, there's something I would say extremely real. In every episode, Sarah already touched on the sibling relationships as we see the kids as adults. The second episode's about a 20-plus-year-old grievance that one sibling never told the other about. And the third opens with a claim that a child could get ADHD if a parent ever picked up their pacifier and just wiped it on their shirt before giving it back. I thought the best episode was the eighth. I told this to Dave as well. It's about an intervention and I would say to the listener, if they want to just jump to that and then go back to where you were, the show is built so you can. It jumps around. It's not sequential. But Dave, you jumped ahead to that eighth episode. What did you think of that one? Dave: [12:53] Yeah, I thought it was really good. A lot of it takes place at a Airbnb that they rented near the beach. It's one of those, imagine a modern calligraphy sort of renter, except instead of being live, laugh, family, hope, it's all beach shit, right? Tara: [13:09] Beach puns, yeah. Dave: [13:10] I think we've all been there. Tara: [13:10] Mm-hmm. Dave: [13:12] A lot of netting on the walls, starfish, but all the little signs everywhere just really cracked me up. It went so overboard. Like, there's a, even in the corner, is like a little sign in the shape of a whale. It says, whale come. There is a doormat that says, I had to write it down because I wanted to get it correct. If you lived here, you'd be beach by now. There's a lot of stuff like that. Tara: [13:39] Mm-hmm. Dave: [13:39] The setting was great, but the whole twist of the intervention. Well, there's two. One is the mother really just made up this intervention as an excuse to get all her family back into one place to celebrate. Yeah, her anniversary. And then the other one was this fake intervention turns out to be a big twist as well. I thought that episode was really great. Again, it paints everybody really well. So even if that was your first introduction to the show, you still get a great picture of the landscape. The father is going on on about the hot tub that was listed in the Air and BV listing, but it's suddenly not working. And he has this whole odyssey about making that work. That is very much out of the John Cole My Father playbook, which is we paid for this. I may not want to have used it, but now that it's broken, I'm upset about it. Tara: [14:33] Yep. Eli: [14:34] Yeah. Dave: [14:34] So, there was a lot of good stuff in that episode. Tara: [14:36] Mhm. Eli: [14:37] Yeah, I'm also curious I didn't realize the name Yoshi, whether there's some Jewish history to that name that I didn't know, but I was threw me off almost. Tara: [14:40] Mm-hmm. Dave: [14:46] It did. Yeah, I was expecting the tongue to come out and grab things. Sure. Tara: [14:50] He says that when he meets new people, he sometimes just calls it says his name is Josh. So I guess that's the That's the derivation. Eli: [14:56] Oh yeah. Well, you know, I'm glad that there's now a Jewish character in Mario as, you know, retroactively, thanks to that. Dave: [15:02] Yep. Mhm. Sarah: [15:04] Mhm. Dave: [15:04] Represent Well, just that I didn't have the process I usually have when Paul Reiser is involved, which is for the first three or four minutes, I can only hear his character from aliens. Sarah: [15:05] Overdue. Tara: [15:05] A few of these actors like Paul Reiser, who I interviewed last week, you can read in the at cracked, it's in the show notes, are new or relatively new to animation voiceover. Were there any that you thought were particularly good? We'll start with Sarah. Sarah: [15:16] I of course thought he was good because this is since seeing him in diner a gazillion years ago, it's like, oh, this is what he should be doing. Because it's all lines like, you know what your problem is? You don't chew your food. Tara: [15:28] Yeah. Sarah: [15:28] But just like find a show where he could just speak it to a mic. Eli: [15:33] I think it was a good thing that I had to check who was doing the voices, and then once I would read who it was, I'd go, Oh, yeah, but they weren't You know, sometimes it can be a little too obvious, especially when you know a lot of studios and stuff. If they're paying for a bigger name, they're like, We want it. You open your mouth, it better be Will Arnett immediately. Tara: [15:49] Yeah, yeah. Sarah: [15:50] Mm-hmm, sure. Eli: [15:51] And so I thought it was nice that, and like you said, tone down, because it's animation, but it's not, I wouldn't say mad cap or anything. Tara: [15:58] Mm-hmm. Eli: [15:58] When you record vocals for animation, when you record the dialogue, there's two ways to do it. Sometimes everyone records separately. I can't remember what show started doing it, but then they kind of more set up what is almost a table read with professional recording setup. And I would assume that's what they did because you can kind of tell, and especially with how quick the dialogue is and how much they play off each other. If they didn't do that, then even more props to them because it sounds like they did. Tara: [16:22] No, they didn't. I met because I asked him about that when I talked to Paul Reiser, and he said no, they just they recorded their dialogue and Raphael Bob Waxberg will be there and just say, like, give us different options. Eli: [16:32] Huge credit to the editors. Tara: [16:33] Yeah, depending on what everyone else did. And a lot of it is layered. So I I that's why I I wondered if they recorded at the same time too. 'Cause I Big Mouth, I guess, maybe that's one of the shows that did group recordings, but this one, no. Dave, any standouts for you in the cast? Anything else to add about long story short? I was really I was so pleased that it was great because you know, Bojack Horseman casts such a long shadow, and to do a follow-up that is this different, I thought, is really a bold choice and one that is that has paid off. Dave: [17:14] Yeah. Is the creator is he Ari? Like is it self is it autobiographical? Do we know? Tara: [17:21] I don't know, Avi, you mean. Eli: [17:22] It's not. I read an interview that said it's not strongly autobiographical. I'm sure he pulled things from it, but Because I also wanted to read that before I heavily criticize anyone. It's like you are talking about my literal mother. Like, okay, well, sorry, sir. Speaking of the mother, a weird connection between this show and the show Andor, which we will get to later, and of what I consider to be quite a strange character in that show. Tara: [17:44] Mhm. Clip: [17:54] We've got a lot of shows. It's a great time for shows. Dave: [17:58] All right, it is time for a round of the dial where we talk about something we've been watching on TV recently, not necessarily recent TV. First stop, as always, tarp They changed it again while we were talking. Tara: [18:07] This is recent TV. Peacemaker is back on HBO Max. It has been off for three and one half Earth years, which means the change from HBO Max to just max and then back again all happened during the hiatus between season one and season two. I checked and that is a fact. Eli: [18:24] Dodge that bullet. Dave: [18:27] It's now backwards. It's called Zam. Eli: [18:30] Yeah. Tara: [18:32] You know what didn't take that long between seasons? The Chicken Sisters, but we're not here to talk about that. Peacemaker, if you saw the Superman movie this summer and it's fine if you didn't, it's for children. Sarah: [18:38] Hurt me. Tara: [18:42] You know that Peacemaker appears in a talking head interview, which apparently means something to people who care about this in terms of moving the Peacemaker character from. The DCEU to the DCU. I am not one of those people. Apparently, between that and I think it's extended universe versus just anyway. Dave: [18:56] Wait, is that the D C Economic Union? I see. Okay. Tara: [19:04] Apparently, between that and cameos in the season two premiere of Peacemaker From a few side characters that are in the Superman movie, this is a big deal. What I care about is funny violence. There's still plenty of that. To keep the spoiler free. The quantum unfolding chamber that Chris Smith/slash Peacemaker's father accessed from a closet in his house is much more central this season. You see how, starting in the season, Premiere Cold opened. Yes, Dave? Dave: [19:28] No, I was just nodding. Yeah, magic closet. Tara: [19:31] This gives Peacemaker more opportunities to show off his acting. By Peacemaker, of course, I mean John Cena. He is good. I don't want to see him play Macbeth. He knows what his lane is, though. Dave: [19:41] Yeah. Tara: [19:41] He's fun to watch in it. Dave: [19:42] I'd rather watch John Cena and something than watch The Rock at this point. Tara: [19:46] I agree, which is why my seventeenth time seeing the trailer for The Smashing Machine last Friday was unwelcome. Dave: [19:47] Okay. Eli: [19:47] Oh, yeah. Tara: [19:54] But anyway The biggest standout in the cast is Freddy Stroma, who plays Adrian Chase/slash Vigilante. This character is definitely a so-sup, so how you feel about him may not align with my opinion, but. Freddy Stroma is so funny to me. Every one of his lines hits, even though he is a remorseless murderer, he does make it clear this season he only kills Johns, never sex workers, which is more than a lot of actual serial killers could say. Stroma has also said in the press leading up to the premiere that he is worried kids are going to want to watch the Peacemaker show because they saw the character in Superman. They probably will, but do not let your children watch this show. If you can, don't let them find out it exists, in fact. Dave: [20:33] There is an impromptu giant orgy in the first or second episode. Tara: [20:36] Yes, I was just about to say so many boobs and pube wigs. Dave: [20:39] So, you know, maybe not. Sarah: [20:40] Wow. Tara: [20:44] It's really a lot. Dave: [20:44] Pewblings You said at the time how satisfyingly disgusting a scene is where they're, let's say, hunting game in the forest and how absolutely gooey its death was. Tara: [20:48] It does remind you that this version of Peacemaker is canonically bisexual, and we celebrate that. But anyway, I reviewed the first five episodes of eight of season two, and we'll link that in the show notes as well. But yeah, you watched the same episodes that I did, Dave. Your thoughts on Peacemaker that I didn't mention? Uh-huh. Dave: [21:14] Don't worry, it's not like a deer or anything like that. It's not like a Bambi sort of situation, but just moments like those I sort of live for. And the fights are very visceral. Much like we were talking about, sort of watching The Walking Dead when we were watching it, just for like, you know, spikes through heads and stuff like that. And the story doesn't really matter too much. I'm kind of there with Peacemaker. Except for some of the characters I'm invested in, but I'm really, you know, what gets me in the door is Gush. Tara: [21:42] Mm-hmm. Yep. Eli: [21:43] And as I understand it, it is actually physically impossible for one person to watch all of The Walking Dead, right? It takes more than one lifetime to complete that show. Dave: [21:51] Yeah, it's a it's a multi-generational it's like going to Elpha Centauri. Tara: [21:51] Yes. Dave: [21:55] Yeah. Eli: [21:55] Yeah. I actually, funnily enough, just started, as is my way, I watch something years after everyone else is talking about it and then send a sheepish text message through a group chat being like You guys watching Peacemaker season? I just started season one and I'm also really enjoying it, especially the dance scene. Tara: [22:08] Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Eli: [22:11] I've just been exposed to the opening. Everyone else is way ahead of me on this. Tara: [22:13] Yep. Eli: [22:14] It's great. And I also saw an interview with John Cena where he said that not only was he not the first choice for Peacemaker, he was kind of a last resort. And then James Gunn cast him. That James Gunn killed him, spoilers, in Suicide Squad, and broke one of his cardinal rules where he brought him back just because he was so impressed by which it really is. It feels weird for a role like Peacemaker, which is kind of this weird character. But it does have that vibe of like John Cena was, I don't want to say born to play Peacemaker, but he's very, very good for it in almost every way. Tara: [22:40] Uh-huh. He is. Yeah. Eli: [22:44] Yeah. Dave: [22:45] And he has such a kind of comic book face to start with, right? Tara: [22:48] Yes, he does. Dave: [22:49] Like he it's so long and straight and All right, Eli, what do you got for us? Eli: [22:49] Oh yeah. Tara: [22:52] Mm-hmm. Eli: [22:53] His body, that's like a Rob Leefield. It's, you know, he has no feet, no hands. It's crazy. There's in the first episode, I think, there's an also seeing him in tidy whiteys. And there's like a knife fight going on. And seeing John Cena and Tidy Whiteys during a knife fight, I was like, Your veins are everywhere. You got to hope she doesn't hit one of those bad boys because they're bulging out. I'm like, you're very weak to knives. But I really enjoyed the first season. I'll probably watch the second season when I get to it. Tara: [23:17] Yep. Fun fact about the dance sequence that is the opening credits, and there's a different one, Eli, for season two. But Alan Tudick's wife is the choreographer for that. Eli: [23:29] Oh my God. Tara: [23:29] So another anyway, review link in the show notes, like I said. Eli: [23:30] Alan Tudik is inescapable in a wonderful way. I got this as a throwback, as I mentioned, things way too late. But this actually came up because Uh, I just put out a comedy special and I'd been working on it for a couple months. So, doing that, you know, there was a lot of like consideration of what I wanted it to look like and be and things like that. I don't know if people are interested. I only asked because somebody else was curious about it. What level of art direction usually falls to like the comedian and stuff? I think I'm naturally being like an art school kid. I had a lot of ideas. And the director, nice Funny dude, Mike Babrinskoy, he brought up Zach Elephanakis Live at the Purple Onion. And I'd sort of, I felt like I'd memory hold that special. And then I came flooding back of how kind of formative and how much I loved that special, and also how great the vibe of that is. I'd recommend going back to it, especially if you're kind of fed up with modern comedy specials, which is I'll say that I somewhat am, which is not a great thing to say, having just released one, but The word economy and a lot of the stuff he's saying in there, which is something I connect with in comedy: is There are things that could be in a joke book. Dave: [24:29] But wait, what what is what is the difference? Eli: [24:41] The end of the sentences is considered when they write the joke instead of just trailing off. Or going to some standby filler. I mean, there's, I think, a lot of comedy now. I was going to say for better or for worse, but it's for worse. I don't know why I said that. The punchlines are just basically comedic equivalent of like Lorem Ipsum, where it's either a go-to phrase that indicates a joke is done, or if you're Chud comedian, then it's just a slur from the 60s that you know, apparently makes you. I'm always confused by that, but they're like, This is controversial and challenging. And I'm like, street jokes from an offensive joke book from 1962 are challenging and controversial. Okay. It's a bad mix because it's usually people who are desperate to fill as much time as possible by talking and then they have less jokes than anyone has had before for a special You know, it it's very considered. And that's the thing that I think is missing from a lot of modern comedy where it's just the a lot of times it feels like the actual words, the comedy, is one of the last things to be considered, and it's too much focused on the other Parts. If you were to listen to an album of some of the modern ones, it would be intolerable. There's no jokes. Tara: [25:50] Yeah. Eli: [25:50] It's just you would be just listening to, I guess, my podcast, basically. Tara: [25:54] No, that's you're talking about Sebastian Maniscalco, exactly. Like this is exactly the problem with his comedy. That it's just like it's attitude, it's not writing. Eli: [26:03] He doesn't get to do this sort of stuff anymore. Tara: [26:05] Yeah, speaking of very good comedy specials. Eli: [26:06] But yeah, very good. Oh. I have a comedy special. It's called Humble Offering. It just came out on Cracked Comedy Club on their YouTube channel. You can go check that out. I appreciate it. If you do, hey, just turn it on. And if you don't like it, you can turn it off. That's how YouTube works. But give it a shot. Tara: [26:24] David, have a look at the market. Eli: [26:25] This is all I ask of you. Dave: [26:27] It is really good, Eli. I particularly enjoyed the end where you pull out your book of tales and tell some tales. Eli: [26:32] The tails, yeah, yeah. Dave: [26:34] I captured one of the shorter ones, and this is it. Clip: [26:39] This one is scary. Sorry. His steel is called the Devil's Disguise. The candles flickered. Said the priest, with a graven face, One of the people in this room is the devil himself Everyone in the room looked at Lucian. Lucian scoffed. Do you think I'm the devil just because I'm named Lucian? It's a perfectly normal name. The others looked at each other before finally Tabitha spoke. No, it's because you have a little goatee Paul sheepishly added Yeah, you have like that pointy little beard and mustache combo. The devil always has that shit. Motherfucker, said Lucian, and returned to hell. Dave: [27:48] Great stuff. Compares favorably, not at all the same types of jokes, but it reminded me of Sean Cullen and how he would End his shows with sort of a fan favorite format. So I hope that continues next time you do it too. Tara: [28:00] Yep. Eli: [28:01] Those are new. Yeah. I was going to say first, now you have a video of me laughing at my own comedy. Great. Those tales at the end. At the end of the show, I do. I take out this kind of book and I read these. What are basically little one-page short stories? Those are new. I just started doing that in like last year, and they've been really fun, but I also think that was to really kill the frog. That was also a reaction for me to how little writing I think is done now, where I was like, I'm going to literally write out. I don't know a thirty five year old man on Zolof that hangs out with his dog. What nobody wants to have to talk about anymore, so I'll write about devils and vampires instead. Dave: [28:36] Yeah. All those stories were great. I really loved I really loved it. Yeah. Alright, Sarah and Mbding, where'd he go? Sarah: [28:46] Speaking of fiery and hellacious properties, smoke finally got around to starting it. It is For me, like Groundhog Day with Taryn Edgerton projects, where he's good, all the other actors in the project are good. But the writing and construction is just too ponderous for me to really want to keep going. So I stop watching in order to write a review and I'm like, yeah, sure, why not? And then I never get back to it. This story is based on a real arson investigation/slash case involving a redacted. I looked it up to make sure that it was a real story and then was spoiled. This has already been made into a movie, is one problem. Starring, in fact, Edgerton's erstwhile co-star Ray Liotta and Edgerton's co-star in this, John Leguizamo. And You know, once you know the top line of the true story, you really are kind of waiting for them to get to the fire setting factory. And wondering why we're spending quite so much time on these already overhead shots and portentous looks into one alleged arsonist's bumpy personal life But I guess when your Apple TV Plus series is, you know, an Apple TV Plus series and created and written by Dennis Lehane, you don't really get to give notes suggesting that this nine-parter could have been an email. There are occasional moments that reward your patience. Edgerton as Arson Inspector Dave Goodson. Get it? And Jordan Smollett as the detective who's been punishment detailed to help him. have good co worker chemistry once they finally get a handle on it. Smollett's character walks in on Goodson dictating voice notes for his book At one point, and her face, when she realizes what he's doing, and the camera sort of focus pulls over to her. Absolute art. Put it on the Emmy Reel, extremely good. Greg Kinnear is also good as their grouchily resigned boss and his indifferent mustache that isn't like a series of active decisions anymore. It's just there. It's just nothing that you haven't seen before in terms of like compromised law enforcement, over-indexed flashbacks to trauma. The these fire sparks are like shooting stars. Do you get it? Yes, we do. It is nothing that couldn't have been done. Just as well in six episodes, or wasn't already done in two hours, slash a long read by the guy who reported out the Dirty John story. You can read all about this and the alternates that I suggest instead on bestevins. fyi. Our Discord's discussion of the show would not seem to suggest that I could keep going, but if I'm wrong about that Y'all can at me to say so. I think going on YouTube to watch the Leota Verge is probably a more efficient use of your time. Dave: [31:45] What is that called? The other ver the movie version, the coupon thank you. Sarah: [31:48] Oh, the Lyota version is called Point of Origin, because that's there's only so many things that you're allowed to call fire movies, and Backdraft is already taken. So, Point of Origin it is. Eli: [31:58] Yeah. Sarah: [32:00] That and ignition is still left, I guess, everyone, in case you're looking to do this for yourselves. Dave: [32:06] Bernie, the guy who burned buildings. Sarah: [32:10] The fireworks factory, comma. Eli: [32:13] And then ignition is too dangerous 'cause people will be mad it's not a car movie. They'll go, I thought this was F one. What's happening? Why why is there a fire here? Dave: [32:20] The sequel is called Matchbox, which just like further confuses everything. Sarah: [32:27] For my plug, it is the last few days of the older stock sale at Exhibit B books, 20% off anything tagged OBG, that stands for Oldies. But good ease. The link in the show notes. The cart does the math. Dave: [32:43] All right, here's what's coming up on our shows in the coming weeks. This Friday on Extra, Extra Hot Great, we'll be talking about the Thursday Murder Club. And then on EHE Prime, we're going to have Taking It Out of the Vault the 2024 this week in TV history. We're going back to September 1991, and we're talking with Dan Cassino about Cast a Deadly Spell, which was a treat. So look for that. And then on the next extra, extra hot grate after that, we're going with the four senning. We'll be talking about a baseball episode, Sarah Deep Hunting, of Deep Space Nine. Your two favorite things, baseball and space. Sarah: [33:22] Mhm Spaceball Yeah, he's Michael Cohen. Dave: [33:27] And then welcoming back Will Leach on Extra Hot Grade 579. We'll be talking about the paper. Tara: [33:34] Boo! Spoiler. Dave: [33:36] Early review from Tara Ariana. Don't forget, join our club, support the podcast, extrahotgate. com/slash club for more info and how to sign up. It is time for the extra hot grade canon presenting this week is Mademoiselle Caroline. Take it away. Clip: [34:00] Hello, this is Mademoiselle Caroline and today I'm presenting Endor season two, episode eight. Who are you? I have hesitated to make this presentation because I don't think I'm smart enough to articulate why this series is so great. And it's not false modesty on my part, it's just that this is really complex and important. but I'm going to give it my best. Endor lives up to the media hype. It's the best Star Wars thing since the original trilogy. It's Star Wars for adults Season one was great and I was a bit nervous that season two wouldn't be able to match up, but it really does. The episode I have chosen is the culmination of a plot that has been distilled in several episodes prior. It deals with the absolutely cynical and methodical destruction of a planet and a people to get to exploit a mineral necessary to run a death star. So typically we could expect something in the vein of Well, we're the baddies Get out of our way We're taking what we need But Endor is smarter than that and uses this plot to comment on political spin The idea is to get the local people, the governments, to rebel against their slow colonization of their planet, in order to label them as dangerous and therefore feel justified in their taking over. While I don't particularly like the presence of journalists and T V in the Star Wars universe, it does feel like it's necessary here to make their point about media manipulation. Secondly, I picked this episode because it speaks to me personally. The Gormans are inspired by the French resistance during World War II. They are played by French actors and speak with a French accent. And it also brings me to what I think is the main theme of this episode, which is failure The Gormans are disorganized, they disagree on what to do, and that makes them easy to manipulate. The French resistance was, especially at the beginning, absolutely disorganized. with factions who hated each other, the clergy on one side, the Communists on the other, and they would not work together despite the stakes. And here the series took great pains into creating a sense of community with different ideas and opinions, a culture, a language, a national anthem, so they do feel real. but even the more professional organized part of the overall rebellion, here represented by Cassian Endor and Wilmond, fail in this episode. Cassian fails to achieve his goal, which was to take down Didre Miro, who is in charge of the whole operation on behalf of the Empire. they are caught in this power keg. And ultimately I think it's a good thing, because Deidre deserves a worse ending than a swift bullet to the brain But even Tidra is losing control here. It is the Empire's moment of triumph, the culmination of months of planning, but it's also the beginning of the end for them But the main character who represents this theme is Cyril Karne, who realizes exactly how insignificant his contribution to the cause is in this episode. There are many shots that linger on his face as it suddenly dawns on him that like the Gormans, he has been manipulated by the Empire and by his girlfriend. He is hilariously out of the loop For a character who believed so deeply in his self importance, it is a difficult pill to swallow. Some people seem to think that there is a sort of awakening in Cyril in this episode. when he realizes what the Empire is actually doing. I don't subscribe to this theory. I think he's just crushed by his own insignificance in the greater scheme. Which brings me to how he meets his end, which is also a subversion of what we are programmed to expect. Cassian and Cyril finally confront each other. They have been on the opposite sides of this fight since episode one. and they do fight. But what is absolutely brilliant is that Cassian has no idea who Cyril is. Hence the title of the episode, Who Are You? Cyril has a few seconds of realization. Not only did his organization keep him out of the loop, his girlfriend concealed crucial information from him, but his nemesis has no clue who he is And why he's trying to kill him, and then BAM! Bullet to the head. But again, undermining what we expected, the blow doesn't come from the hero, but from a disenfranchised Gorman who is watching his world disappear. This is a spectacular hour of T V, after several episodes of build up. It's tense, it's relevant, and it's impeccably acted. And I hope you will agree with me. Thank you Americans love a winner. Tara: [38:36] Thank you, Mademoiselle Caroline. Eli, start us off. What did you think of the episode and of the argument? Eli: [38:42] Well, I think the argument was great. I don't think you needed to feel any sort of false modesty or anything. Worry about it. I think it was very good. Also, historical shout-out. Look up the French role in our Revolutionary War. They were a huge part of America winning the Revolutionary War, and we rewarded them by describing them as like white flag waving. It makes no sense. Do some research. They need more credit for that. But yeah, as far as the episode goes, I agree with a lot of it. One thing that I noticed about it, I mean, obviously, it's unfortunately very easy to map onto a lot of things happening right now. Tara: [39:12] Yeah. Eli: [39:13] And I enjoyed that. One thing I agree with a lot in that review of it is the take on Cyril Karn, which I also did not like people Who had sort of the, they were trying to apply like a level of redemption to him for this. And I don't think that it should be at all because there's no redemption. The biggest thing that I could describe him as is an idiot. In this. And so people try to apply this sort of like disenfranchised sort of thing, but I don't care if he doesn't know the specifics of the plan of gore. There's no way he didn't know. I mean, you know who you're working for. Like, it's the it's the Mitchell and Webb. Are we the baddies? Look what everybody's wearing, man. You know what you're doing. Dave: [39:52] The fact that he still has it out for Andor after this revelation should tell you that he in fact has not had any You know, turn of heart here because if he did, he'd be like, Oh, I was on the wrong side. Tara: [40:06] Right. Dave: [40:06] Can you give me a ride home? Tara: [40:07] Yes. Dave: [40:08] And he doesn't. Eli: [40:08] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tara: [40:09] Yeah, that reaction is part and parcel, as she said, of his like, this is about ego more than anything else, that he's embarrassed. Eli: [40:16] Yeah. Again, this is not to tell people to read history like some sort of whatever, but you know, a lot of the stuff that I see some people treating as unusual or they think that is sci-fi. This is a very real playbook. Every single part of this is an extremely real playbook, one that America has used many times. Also, one of the greatest Parts of this, which I think almost maybe some people purposely don't want to engage with because it's not as neat, is the conflict between the younger revolutionaries in Gore and the I can't think of his name right now, but the older who was the head of the revolution, but then was outstripped. Where I think that there's a lot of people who don't want to see Him in themselves, but that is what happens. Where do you hit a point? They are enacting their final plan, they are physically pushing you back with riot shields. And at that point, you either back up and then it's over, or you have to physically push back. And that is just something where I think you really see in him. The realization that this is not going to be fully a chess game. It's not going to be all played out in strategy and tactics in a hypothetical situation that At some point, there has to be a move made. That's, I think, one of the things where it got people got really focused on Cyril Karn, and that was almost a red herring. I think he's, if anyone, like the least impactful, which is the point of the episode, obviously. But yeah, I think it's a really great look. At when people have to reckon with something that is more of a philosophical or moral standing, that at some point you're going to have to put skin in the game, and that's what this stuff leads to. And we won't even think about how that applies to now because. This is a fun podcast. You're not going to go into it. Dave: [41:54] Star Wars just about pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. Eli: [41:57] Yeah. Dave: [41:57] That's it. Tara: [41:58] Did you want to add anything about Ed Karn before we move on since you tipped it in the long story short discussion? Eli: [42:03] Oh yeah. Edie Karn is very weird to me because in a show that is not a gripping look at uh the Jewish diaspora, she is like the most cartoonish Jewish mother I've ever seen in my life and is not a particularly. Tara: [42:15] Yeah, Sure. Eli: [42:16] And as the series goes on, I would say is like Kind of suggested that she may be part of what made Cyril this way. And it just is, I don't know, it's just a weird caricature to have in this show in general. Not to the point where I'm going to, you know, write somebody about it, but it's just sort of like, you dial it back slightly a little bit here. Tara: [42:33] It's hard not to notice. Dave: [42:34] Space franchise love their Jewish caricatures. I mean, she's no Ferengi, but yeah, I get it. Yeah. Eli: [42:41] And Star Wars has been really good with it before. I mean, yeah, line up Edi Karn, you got Watto. Tara: [42:44] Mm-hmm. Eli: [42:46] It's really great stuff there. Dave: [42:47] Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Eli: [42:49] I'm glad that they got the droid, the battle droid. I'm glad that they made one of them good because those guys are awesome, and I'm glad I can root for one. Tara: [42:57] Yeah. Dave: [42:57] Yeah. Eli: [42:57] 'Cause when they're kicking and they're kicking barriers and stuff, I'm like, what I don't like when they're doing it now 'cause it's bad, but I would love for that that's cool. It's cool for them to kick barriers and stuff. Tara: [43:05] Yeah. Dave: [43:07] So when they were mapping out season two, and this was like somewhere After they decided they had to compress their five-year plan into a two-year plan, and they were mapping out what's going to happen in the second season. One of the original pitches was the whole introduction of K2SO was going to be basically a horror episode. It was just basically going to be getting stalked by the single droid until they could figure out how to Convert it or whatever would have happened in that episode. I'm so curious what that episode would have been like because they nailed everything else. And I get it. You know, there's only so many episodes, and that would have been a side episode, probably. So I understand why they cut it, but I'm so curious what that would be. Yeah. Tara: [43:51] Yeah. Sarah, why don't you go next since I think you've watched less of the show than Dave and I have. Sarah: [43:57] I was captivated by this episode. It's really well built. They successfully convey. that feeling of being in a like being in a protest, but that that sense that the crowd could shift from being a group of like-minded individuals to behaving like A crowd, which is not something that an individual in that crowd can control. I think it's edited well, sort of shifting perspective so that you can see That this Cassandro figure who used to head up the rebellion and has been sidelined is telling them that it's a trap. And you're sort of like, well, you know, listen to the old guy, but at the same time, their point is sort of like, we, you know, we know. That it's a trap. Like, we're fucked. Either way, so let's go out with some dignity and respect for ourselves. And no matter how this story is repackaged, and we see how at the end, unsurprisingly, That it's sent out to the rest of the galaxy as a cautionary tale about rebelling and rioting or whatever. And their take is like, we have to stand up, that it's a moral and ethical question. I appreciated that Mademoiselle Caroline brought up the French resistance. The closest reference to hand is things that are going on in the States right now, but the singing of the anthem and a number of other moments in it recall like they're singing the Marseilles in Casablanca. Or other properties about resistance, like fictionalized resistance, I guess you could say, and calling back to those moments. Um, and then you know, he's in that room, and he's realizing that these, you know, he's realizing what these like murder bots have been brought here for. There's one that's facing him, and the others are just Sitting there like it's before the big game, basically, and that also kind of recalls Gladiator. There are a lot of sort of References to other films and like inspirational resistance, but also hopeless instances of resistance that I think makes for a really interesting combination. Emotionally, once it's all braided together. And of course, it's really well acted, not too much. I didn't assume that we were supposed to sympathize with Cyril. I was sort of like, you know what? Fuck around, find out. Like, let's just give this guy his ultimate sort of just desserts, and then that is what happens. But the who are you is the most devastating thing, like, beyond like, that's the real death, and then the physical death follows that. Fascinating time in American history to be contemplating this fictional piece of space history, but excellent presentation. I enjoyed watching it. Very thought-provoking, and now I kind of want to go back and re-watch Casablanca. It it has a lot of cyn more cynical things to say about moments like this. I think Andorra is not as cynical, but there is a real politic there that is a little unusual in like a sci fi pew-pew set of franchises. Tara. Tara: [47:09] I just wish there had been another way to get to it other than These news anchors are doing stand-ups like they're on CNN. Like, that's the part that really takes me out of it. Sarah: [47:19] I know, yeah. Tara: [47:22] No other part of the Star Wars universe that I can recall has any kind of concept of like Mass media being a thing. Dave: [47:29] Yeah, that was new to Andor for sure. Because they also had the reality show reference or whatever that was earlier in some episode. Tara: [47:32] Yeah. Yeah. We get breakfast TV and then in like the next episode, I think it's like Mon's speech getting broadcast in the Senate or whatever. Dave: [47:37] Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Tara: [47:44] And like, I understand that you have to get there. I wish there had been more thought put into like it not being such a one-to-one But I understand manufacturing consent has to be part of it. Dave: [47:51] Yeah, I agree. Sarah: [47:52] Yeah, it was a little disconcerting. Tara: [48:00] We all went to college, we get it. I appreciated this, of course, being brought to us by Mademoiselle Caroline. And I, you know, all of the French references to it, including when we're at the in the very last shot when they're pulling out, the ship is leaving and you see all the roofs and they. it looks like Paris with the, you know, the curved blue shingles at the top of the buildings and stuff. Like this is clearly very intentional. And I appreciated that. The story that's being told is sort of, it's it is about today, but it's also about yesterday. Like Eli said, read a book. They obviously did. Like, none of these. techniques are particularly new or interesting or unpredictable. Like this is there's a playbook and they're running it and that is just how shit goes. Amid the mounting dread, which is a huge part of it, it takes like longer than you remember to actually get to the violence getting touched off because it's Each stage of it is like it's just agonizing as you're watching every the inevitable arriving. And then it's here and it's horrible, but also, as Eli said. Kind of cool when the robots show up because they're awful, but but like it's well realized like all of it looks All of it looks real, including these robots like just tossing people around like rag dolls. Eli: [49:03] It's a fight scene. Tara: [49:13] It's an incredible political episode that is also a really gripping action episode. And I wouldn't say it is quite at the level of one way out, which we talked about when Taylor was here last time, but it's in the conversation, and I think it's kind of undeniable not to tip my vote, Dave. Dave: [49:32] I'm obviously already in the bag for this. Some random thoughts. I still really hate the Star Wars intro bug that they're doing for this with the stupid masks and red and blue. Axe that, please. Opinions on space ties. There's another Andor innovation space ties for space business that start here, they disappear in the middle of your chest and then go down. Tara: [49:48] Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Eli: [49:54] Yeah. Tara: [49:57] Yeah. Eli: [49:57] They come out of a port on your shirt. It's uh it's hard not to stare at. Tara: [49:59] Yes, they do. Eli: [50:01] I find myself staring at it a lot. Tara: [50:03] Yeah. Dave: [50:04] I agree with Mademoiselle Caroline and everything. And the other thing I was going to say is what Tara just said, which is how well it builds that sense of dread. And how long they're able to extend it without feeling like we're in a loop or anything like that, as Cassian andor himself is trying to set himself up to complete his assassination mission and how that goes wrong. And then, you know, as the gates literally close on everybody and they're all penned in, and the inevitable sniper shooting one of his own to set it all off, really good job there. The other part that I don't think anybody touched on is sort of the touches of the banality of evil. There's one scene where Deidre, who is in charge of the whole operation from an administrative standpoint, is talking to her military commander, who is Responsible for the boots on the ground stuff. And she says, Everything to your liking, or something like that, as far as like how it's all set up. And he says What I really want is a comfortable ride home. So, this guy's coming in here to massacre hundreds of people because he was told to, and that's just another day at the office. For this guy, and he'll be on to the next thing tomorrow on the next shuttle home. Guy, the concierge or the receptionists at the hotel Cassian's staying at. Has a lot to answer for because apparently this guy is the first guy to say rebellions are built on hope, which is the most overused thing in the Disney era of Star Wars. Everything has to say something's built on hope, or hope is this, and hope is that, and let's define hope for the 17th fucking time. We get it. We had a new hope back in the day. Eli: [51:38] Well, it's a new hope. Dave: [51:40] And now it's hope this, hope that, hope everything comes up with a new fucking line, please. Eli: [51:40] Yeah. Dave: [51:45] So that guy has a lot to answer for. Eli: [51:47] I was going to say the guy who shows the banality of evil. I also think that was my one thing. I was like, you don't have to give him a huge scar on the side of his face. I think people will pick up. That he's not good. You don't need to go to like the most classic emo guy. Tara: [52:00] Yeah. Eli: [52:01] The way he delivers, who are you? Because there's a way you could deliver that. That Instead, validates Cyril Karn, where he goes, he's having his moment of recognition, but the way he delivers it is so perfectly in the kind of rhythm of It's almost more like a, what the fuck, what are you doing? Like, he's like, why are you bothering me, dude? Leave me alone. It's so perfectly delivered to just be like, this isn't a moment of recognition. It's like, guy, get out of here. Dave: [52:26] Yeah. Eli: [52:26] What? You know? Dave: [52:27] Less Don Draper in the elevator, more who is this guy following me down the street. Yeah. The only other thing I want to add is the number of unceremonious deaths that we see as all this carnage is going on is also speaks to just how realistic it all seems. Like half of the Gorman Resistance just gets flung and their neck snaps when they hit the ground, or they just get shot, and that's it. They don't have the last goodbye to anybody. The one guy who seems to be lingering on, somebody's talking to him, he just doesn't have the energy to say anything. He just expires in front of him. You're just here, and then you're not. All right, let's put this to the official canon vote. Eli, what say you for this episode? Canon worthy or not? Eli: [53:13] Canon worthy. Dave: [53:14] Sarah. Sarah: [53:15] Yep, cannon worthy. Dave: [53:16] Sarah. All right, me too. So. That means that and or season two, episode eight. Who are you? You are hereby inducted into the extra hot gray cannon. Clip: [53:39] Yup. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave: [53:43] It is time to discover who is our winner and loser of the week. Tara has this week's winner. Tara: [53:49] Yeah, it's Saturday Night Live, which is going to be memorialized in a new off-Broadway. Play. And I think we can all agree the early days of Saturday Night Live, which is what this is focusing on, is something that has not been covered a lot in media. It's really undersung. It's not something that we fucking have to hear about every six months. Like, has any media property ever been more memorialized than this? I'm going to say no, and can we please drop it? Eli: [54:15] People don't remember. It's like, oh, we're still memorializing eight sketches people remember from that and not the four hundred that were terrible. Tara: [54:18] Yes Yes. Mm-hmm. Dave: [54:22] Yeah, the big showstopper, Jane Uslut. Sarah, who is our loser of the week? Sarah: [54:28] The majority of Lifetime's unscripted team, they have been laid off because the network is pivoting to or back to T V movies, which is a shame. Lifetime, at least in the true crime space, was doing some things and centering victims in a way that was uh a little bit different from the rest of the like basic cable Crowd and was worthwhile, and this is a shame for the genre as well as for the people who got laid off. So that's a bummer because it's not like the TV movies are getting better, there's just gonna be more. Dave: [55:06] Well, speaking about not getting better, but there's more of it. Sarah: [55:06] Of them. Dave: [55:08] Do you know what time it is? Sarah: [55:10] You are welcome. It's game time. Dave: [55:23] Welcome back to Game Time. This is the third game time of the season. Our scores so far, Tara with one, Sarah with zero, and then Value Guess with one. Today, we are playing All in the Family from Amy Allen Spock, who earns herself an extra credit topic of their choosing, plus a free shirt from the EHG store at ThroughMethods. com. Today's game focuses on the brothers and sisters of main characters from TV shows. These siblings may appear in just one episode or throughout an entire season, but they all made an impact. For each question, you'll hear the story of a brother or sister, and your challenge is the name the main character they are related to. If you can name that character based on the sibling's story alone, you get two points. If you answer incorrectly or you just need some help right off the get-go. You'll get the name of the show as your clue. After the clue, the answer is worth one point. Shows, characters, and siblings all used just once in the game. All right, let's figure out the steel mill situation, please, Tara. Tara: [56:32] Thank you. No one has any except Eli has Eric's meal. Dave: [56:35] All right. Eli, you get one opportunity to steal somebody's incorrect answer. So if somebody answers incorrectly at the one point level, you can scream steal meal very quickly. So why don't blurt out the answer? And then you get a chance to steal that point. And it rolls over every week. So no harm. You're not ripping anybody else off if you use it. Eli: [56:54] I can almost guarantee I won't be, and I'm also going to apologize to all the guests because I will not be getting you any points today. I am bad at this. Dave: [57:02] Setting expectations right away. Tara: [57:04] People say that all the time, and then in comes Andrew Cunningham, totally won the first game. Sarah: [57:09] And then they're like, Oh, we forgot how bad Sarah is every week she works here I forget, can we guess at every level or not? Dave: [57:14] All right, let's throw it to the person in control choosing initiative, Picky, to see who goes first. Clip: [57:20] We will start with Sarah. Dave: [57:22] All right, we're going to go Sarah and then Tara, then Eli today. We got 24 questions, and let's skip the challenge zone since we're running long. Today, are we ready to play All in the Family? Tara: [57:34] Yes, I'm going to make a new one. Dave: [57:35] Sarity Bunting. Adam worked as a janitor at American Calculator and discovered his half-brother after seeing his photo in a newspaper. The main character offers Adam $5,000 to leave New York and never contact him again. Who is Adam's half brother? Tara: [57:52] Who's Adam's piece of shit, brother? Dave: [57:58] Yes, you can. Sarah: [57:59] All right, then I'm going to guess Michael Scott. Dave: [58:03] The show in question is Mad Men. Sarah: [58:06] What was a piece of sh oh right uh di uh Dick slash Don Draper. Dave: [58:10] You are correct for one point. He doesn't think about you at all. Tara. Ambrose, played by John Tuturo, is a highly intelligent and detailed oriented character, much like his police consultant brother. He suffers from a severe form of agoraphobia and, as of two thousand three, has not left the San Francisco home he grew up in. Clip: [58:31] I want to get a rock. Dave: [58:33] Who is Ambrose's brother? Clip: [58:34] Cause I'm a drunk. Tara: [58:35] Magic is a very important thing to do. Dave: [58:36] You are correct, Adrian Monk. All right, that's two points for you, Eli. Sarah: [58:42] Thanks, Pecky. Clip: [58:42] Is a big company I want to get a rocket. Eli: [58:44] Yes. Dave: [58:44] Herb, voiced by Danny DeVito, is an intelligent, ambitious, and charismatic car manufacturer, but also a lonely person. Seeking to create a car that meets the needs of American consumers, he hires his brother to design a new vehicle. Clip: [58:57] Couldn't make a motley. Dave: [59:01] However, the car fails disastrously, leading to Herb's bankruptcy. Clip: [59:02] I want to get a rock and make a Is a big old cutable. Dave: [59:06] Who is Herb's brother? Eli: [59:08] Sounds like a great story. I have no idea who told it. Dave: [59:13] All right. The show in question is The Simpsons. Who is Herb's brother on The Simpsons? Eli: [59:21] I'm going to have to guess Homer Simpson. Dave: [59:23] You are correct for one point. Tara: [59:24] A. Dave: [59:25] That's one more point than you promised you'd get at the beginning of the game. Eli: [59:27] I know. And now I have to open up my mind to animation. I'm like, okay, all right. Dave: [59:33] Sarah D. Bunting, Caleb, the younger brother of this main character, is a personal trainer, drone enthusiast, and was popular in high school. He's essentially the polar opposite of his brother. Clip: [59:44] I'm a bit more clean. Dave: [59:44] Caleb is introduced in a Christmas episode where the kids shift the focus from a Christmas show to a winter show. Who is Caleb's brother? Clip: [59:53] I want to let it rock. Sarah: [59:56] I just don't have any idea. Hint, please. Dave: [59:58] The show is Abbott Elementary. Clip: [1:00:00] I want to lay out a rock. Sarah: [1:00:03] That does not help me. Clip: [1:00:04] Cause I make a whole lot of money. Dave: [1:00:04] And I'll allow you to describe the character if you don't know their name in this game. Sarah: [1:00:09] That doesn't help me either. I've watched one episode of that show. Clip: [1:00:11] Cause I make a lot of It's a makeup to the boat. Dave: [1:00:13] So we're giving up on this one? Sarah: [1:00:15] Yes, we are. Dave: [1:00:16] Anybody have a guess? They don't have to use this. No, that's Jacob, Jacob from Abbott Elementary. Tara: [1:00:20] Oh, right, right, right, right. Dave: [1:00:22] All right, Tara. Tara: [1:00:23] Yep. Dave: [1:00:23] Clay, who spent most of his life in the closet, comes out to his sister during a visit to Miami, where he introduces his boyfriend Doug to her and her roommates. Though she initially struggles to accept Clay, she eventually comes around and supports their love, who is Clay's sister. Tara: [1:00:40] Poor Sarah. Pinky really did fuck you. This is Blanche from the Golden Girls. Dave: [1:00:43] Blanche from Golden Girls is correct for another two points. Sarah: [1:00:45] Yeah, yeah, thanks, Picky. Dave: [1:00:48] Back to Eli. Mitch, played by Andy Richter, was a victim of a skiing accident. As a result, he developed anthro-grade amnesia, remaining stuck in the day before an accident, believing the year was still 1985. Mitch, his sister and their family and her boss, spent a Christmas afternoon in New York ice skating and having dinner at Saturdays. That's days with a Z. Who is Mitch's writer sister? Eli: [1:01:19] Is it uh Liz Lemon, Tina Faye? Clip: [1:01:21] I'm a barn, so much. Dave: [1:01:21] It is Liz Lemon for two points. Tara: [1:01:23] Yes, sir. Dave: [1:01:24] A two-point answer. Clip: [1:01:26] It's a magnet. Dave: [1:01:27] From 30 Rock. Correct. All right, Sarah D. Clip: [1:01:29] I'm a barrier, it's a multi-class. Dave: [1:01:29] Bunting. Dan, played by Tom Cavanaugh, spent most of his life as a part-time bartender living in his mother's attic. After being forced to face some hard truths, Dan takes action. He borrows one of his brother's suits, updates his resume, and lands a job as a successful real estate agent. Clip: [1:01:42] Can't move out of all the ball. Dave: [1:01:49] Dan then buys a house for himself and a Prius for his doctor brother, who is Dan's doctor brother. Clip: [1:01:52] I'm on the moonlight, I want to take a rock. Dave: [1:01:57] Keep in mind, Sarah debunting, we're talking about doctors. Clip: [1:02:00] I'm on the moonlight, I want to take a rock. Dave: [1:02:02] And questions for you. Clip: [1:02:03] There's a big old man It's a big up to the book. Dave: [1:02:04] Proceed. Sarah: [1:02:06] Yeah, but Tara's been getting all of my questions that Picky gave her. So Joel Fleischman. Dave: [1:02:15] The show, Sarah debunting, is Scrubs. Sarah: [1:02:20] Oh, fuck's sake. Dave: [1:02:23] Sarah always gets to Scrubs questions, and she does never watch Scrubs. Sarah: [1:02:26] No, and this does not make me want to start. Dave: [1:02:29] Describe them. You could describe them. Sarah: [1:02:32] Um, the the braff one. Clip: [1:02:33] It's a big up to the ball. Dave: [1:02:34] The braft one, we'll give you that. That's JD. Sarah: [1:02:36] Thank you. Eli: [1:02:38] Also, Doctor Brother, a great gag name for a doctor. Clip: [1:02:38] Like to rock a rock to make a table, and I'll be a little bit more than a little bit of a fancy. Dave: [1:02:40] Doctor Brother. Doctor Brother, Mrs. Monarch. Tara. Tara: [1:02:46] Yes. Dave: [1:02:46] David, played by Brian Gaskill, is the younger half-brother of the main character and the son of Hilary Michaels. the vice president of Models Inc. He is valiant, loyal, and occasionally hotheaded. Who is David's advertising executive half sister? Sarah DeBunting is furious. Sarah: [1:03:02] Are you fucking kidding me? Tara: [1:03:03] Sarah's going to quit the podcast. Clip: [1:03:03] Cause I make a cut out of my gaze. Sarah: [1:03:07] So unhappy. Tara: [1:03:07] Amanda Woodward. Dave: [1:03:08] Ved Woodward is correct for another two points. Back to Eli. On the evening of November 27th. 1973, eight-year-old Samantha was reportedly abducted from her family home on Martha's Vineyard. Clip: [1:03:14] I'm not going to let you get away. Dave: [1:03:21] Her then twelve-year-old brother witnessed this event. Clip: [1:03:24] I want to give it a rack. Dave: [1:03:25] This fueled his belief in the paranormal and sparking his quest to uncover the truth behind her unusual abduction. Clip: [1:03:25] Cause I make a tremble after I'm not going to let you get away with it. Dave: [1:03:34] Who is Samantha's brother? Eli: [1:03:37] It was uh it man, this feels like a show I should have seen. I don't Oh, is it a Fox Mulder? Tara: [1:03:43] I'm sure you've seen it at least once in your life. Sarah: [1:03:44] I mentioned her earlier. Dave: [1:03:45] Yeah, if you haven't seen it, you know it's for cultural osmosis, at the very least. It is Fox Mulder, good for two points. Yes. Eli: [1:03:55] I got stuck on supernatural, and I was like, it's not supernatural. Somebody gets burned on a ceiling, but I'm glad to get the two points. Dave: [1:04:02] Out. Clip: [1:04:03] Cause I'm back, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. Tara: [1:04:03] They do have siblings, but they're not a surprise. Dave: [1:04:06] Sarah When Derek visits, we learn that he's good looking, though we never actually see him, wealthy, an international lawyer, and a jet owner. He has a beautiful baritone voice, can make trick pool shots and ketap dance. Derek always outshines his retired sports star brother, but things take a turn when the main character's crush becomes spitten with Derek, who Is Derek's brother. Clip: [1:04:25] Cause I make them to the whole ring. I'm a gay. I'm a little 'cause I make them to go and I'm a baby. Sarah: [1:04:32] Finally. Finally, a question that actually was intended for me. Clip: [1:04:36] I want to make a cut. Sarah: [1:04:38] Sam Malone. Dave: [1:04:38] Sam Malone from Cheers is good for two. Tara Eve, played by Brittany Daniel Initially appeared as a fantasy figure with no attachments, but later reveals a more emotional side. Clip: [1:04:44] I want to come back Is it me come to the book? Dave: [1:04:51] Though she spends only a short time in town. She has a fling with one main character and is eventually revealed to be the older half sister of another. Clip: [1:04:55] Is it me coming to the book? Dave: [1:05:00] Who is Eve's half sister? Tara: [1:05:03] Jen from Dawson's Creek. Dave: [1:05:05] Jen is correct. Is this what you're talking about right now on the podcast, right? Tara: [1:05:09] We to no, that was the beginning of the previous season. Dave: [1:05:12] I don't pay attention. Back to Eli, this will take us into our score break. Willie Junior played by Admin Devine is the main character's half brother whom he did not know existed until a Thanksgiving reunion with their estranged father. Willie Junior hides out in his brother's Lexus and asks him how to be cooler so he can impress their father. Who is Willie Junior's college student brother? Clip: [1:05:36] I'm on the moonlight, I want you a rock. Eli: [1:05:39] Played by Adam Devine, you said. Dave: [1:05:40] Adam Devine. Eli: [1:05:42] College student brother. Ah, I need a hint. Clip: [1:05:44] I'm on your light, I want you a rock. Dave: [1:05:45] The show in question is Community. Clip: [1:05:47] Is a member to the book after me come to the book after Don't get no light on it, go back to me coming to the boat. Dave: [1:05:48] Who is the college student brother in question from Community? It's not Pierce, unfortunately. Eli: [1:05:55] That would be funny, but it's wrong. Dave: [1:05:56] It's Jeff, Jeff Winger from Community. Eli: [1:05:59] That was my guess. And I was like, no, I'll be Pierce, that would be more unusual. Dave: [1:06:01] It's never Pierce. We have a pierce-free policy on this show. All right. Eli: [1:06:06] Fair enough. Dave: [1:06:08] We need the scores, please. It's halfway done. Tara: [1:06:10] Okay, Sarah has four, Eli has five, I have eight. Dave: [1:06:13] All right, let's get back right into it. Back to Sarah D. Bunting. Heather is a free-spirited, somewhat irresponsible character. with her older brother often trying to protect her from his Playboy friend. When Heather decides to pursue a finance career in New York and asks his brother to co-sign her lease he initially refuses, believing she is still immature. Clip: [1:06:29] Don't get no light on it, go back to me come to the bar. Dave: [1:06:34] He eventually realizes she's grown up and agrees to help, who is Heather's architect brother Yeah. Sarah: [1:06:42] Architect Brother Mike Brady Barney? Dave: [1:06:45] The show is How I Met Your Mother. Oh no, Barney is the Playboy referred to in the question. Sarah: [1:06:50] I don't know people on that. Eli: [1:06:51] Steel meal. Sarah: [1:06:54] Gotcha. Dave: [1:06:54] The architect is Ted Mosby. Sarah: [1:06:55] Okay. Tara: [1:06:56] Don't play this threat. Don't play it. Dave: [1:06:58] Don't you want to hear a little from Josh Radner's album Red? Sarah: [1:06:58] Don't, please. Clip: [1:06:58] I want to move on to the makeup. Tara: [1:06:59] Don't please, no. Dave: [1:07:01] No? Tara: [1:07:01] No. Dave: [1:07:01] Okay. You're lucky you're running long. Tara Kim is introduced when she comes to New York and visits her older sister in the station. Tara: [1:07:05] Yes. Clip: [1:07:07] I want to take it away. Can I make a new one? Dave: [1:07:14] Kim suffered from a mental illness and has been involved with the abusive man who assaulted and stalked her. Kim manipulated her sister into believing that her boyfriend further assaulted her, which ends in the sister killing Kim's boyfriend. Who is Kim's sister? Tara: [1:07:29] Is this Amanda Rollins? Dave: [1:07:30] It is from SVU is correct. Tara: [1:07:32] S V U. Sarah: [1:07:33] I'm so mad, so mad. Tara: [1:07:36] Sorry, Sarah. Dave: [1:07:37] It really is all Sarah nip, isn't it? Yeah. Sarah: [1:07:41] Yeah. Dave: [1:07:41] This one's for Eli. When we first met Abby, played by Linda Cartellini, she's being bailed out of jail by her sister. Clip: [1:07:47] It's a big old cutable. Dave: [1:07:48] She tries to keep her boyfriend from meeting Abby. but Abby temporarily moves into their adorcable LA loft and causes havoc. Clip: [1:07:54] It's a big old cutable. Dave: [1:07:56] Who is Abby's sister? Eli: [1:08:01] The character is so ingrained. It's Zoe Deschanel, new girl. Dave: [1:08:04] Describe her eyes. Are they big or small? Eli: [1:08:07] They're very large and uh she's naive. Tara: [1:08:10] Bangs, no bangs. Just kidding, you know where she is. Dave: [1:08:12] It's Jess. Eli: [1:08:13] Yeah, Jess, yeah. Dave: [1:08:13] Jess Day. Yes. Good for two. All right, Sarah. At the beginning of season two, Liz sends her 17-year-old son to stay with her older, more responsible brother in their hometown. During this time, Liz appears to clean up her life, quit drugs, and take on a more sustainable job making jewelry in the Renaissance fair circuit. Who is Liz's brother? Sarah: [1:08:37] Is Liz's brother? Uh Christ, Adam. I don't know. Dave: [1:08:45] The show in question is Gilmore Girls. Clip: [1:08:46] Cause make a clean book. Dave: [1:08:48] Who is Liz's brother on Gilmore Girls? Sarah: [1:08:52] Brother, uh, what's it's with the hat, Luke Yep, another show I never watched. Clip: [1:08:54] Cause they come to the boat. Dave: [1:08:57] Is that right? Tara: [1:08:57] She knows who, yes, yes. Dave: [1:08:57] Okay, I don't know who wears a hat. Luke is correct. Yes. Diner owner, right? Luke? Tara: [1:09:02] Yes. Dave: [1:09:03] Yes. Okay. This is question 17. Eli: [1:09:06] I also don't know any of the questions you're getting, if that makes you feel bad. Tara: [1:09:06] It's pretty cool. Sarah: [1:09:07] Spread eagle. Clip: [1:09:09] Is a big old cleanable and ball. Dave: [1:09:12] The main character flies from New York to Boston to represent his brother Marcus, who is divorcing his wife and seeking shared custody of their child. Clip: [1:09:16] It's a big company. I'm on the rock and make a move. Dave: [1:09:21] Marcus claims the divorce is due to an affair, but it is revealed that he has actually relapsed into his gambling addiction and had the child to cover it up. Clip: [1:09:29] I'm a ticket Iraq. Dave: [1:09:30] Who is Marcus's brother? Clip: [1:09:31] Cause I'm a Like to make a rocket, to the big one, to the big Is a makeup to the boring of you. Tara: [1:09:32] Good Lord Oh my God. Dave: [1:09:33] Yeah, I don't think we ever came across this. Popular show, though. Tara: [1:09:38] Okay. I mean, I feel like it's probably the practice or something I didn't watch. So I'll just take give you the show. Dave: [1:09:43] The show is, you're correct, suits. Very, very close. Tara: [1:09:46] Oh. Okay. Which which suit? Which suit is it? I have a fifty percent chance. Eli: [1:09:52] The smug one In my head, these are all comedies, even though I know they're not. Dave: [1:09:55] Keep in mind, I don't know who anybody is on suits. Tara: [1:09:57] Mike The other suit Yeah. Dave: [1:09:59] Mike is. Incorrect. It's Harvey Specter, which is really stupid name for a character named Harvey. Sarah: [1:10:05] Oh yeah. Dave: [1:10:07] All right, we get it. We get it. Back to Eli. The main character visits his family's vineyard in La Ber, France, to reconnect with his older brother Robert, who runs the vineyard with his wife Marie and his son René. Clip: [1:10:16] It's a makeup to the bowing. I want to rock. Dave: [1:10:23] He makes the trip to recover from a traumatic experience in which he was kidnapped from his ship and tortured. Clip: [1:10:29] I want to rock It's a big up to the book. Dave: [1:10:30] Who is Robert's brother? Tara: [1:10:32] So I had a good information in that clue. Dave: [1:10:35] Eli's too young. Clip: [1:10:38] It's a me go to the book after Like a rock to the bank, does it rock to the bank? Eli: [1:10:38] And somehow I was like, Jesus. Dave: [1:10:40] Yeah, no, it's not. I'll give you this hint. It's not a comedy, and it's a genre show. Tara: [1:10:47] Well, ship kind of tips that. Eli: [1:10:47] Oh, I mean, I'm not gonna I need the hint at the very least. Dave: [1:10:49] Well, ship could be master and commander, but we have other types of ships. Alright, the show in question is Star Trek the Next Generation. Eli: [1:10:58] I'm not a Star Trek guy, but I'll just say Captain Kirk. Dave: [1:11:01] Oh, you are not a Star Trek guy. All the Star Trek people are yelling at you right now for mixing up your shows. Sarah: [1:11:05] No Please promise. Dave: [1:11:08] That is Captain Jean-Luc Picard, who is from France. Eli: [1:11:14] Oh, okay, all right. Dave: [1:11:15] All right, this is question 19. 19. It is for Sarah, who, if she complains after this, will be ejected from the arena. Clip: [1:11:20] I'm on turkey corros. Tara: [1:11:25] Sarah's like, okay, bye. Dave: [1:11:28] Patsy was born eleven minutes before his twin brother, whom he described as a sweet and gentle man who was never violent with anyone. Clip: [1:11:29] I'm a teacher Is a big old man to the book and the ball Like I want it a rock, cause I make a move. Dave: [1:11:37] Philly had a hit taken out on him, and he was killed by Gigi Castone. Gastone? Who is Patsy's twin brother? Please, while you're there, tell him how to pronounce that name. Sarah: [1:11:49] Okay, first I will note that your clue has the answer in it. Clip: [1:11:51] Like I want it a rock, cause I'm big Cause I make a cold Cause I make a lot of money Can you book out? Sarah: [1:11:58] Yeah. But I did know it anyway. It's Philly Spoons from The Sopranos. Tara: [1:12:00] She knew it. Sarah: [1:12:02] And the last name is pronounced Sestone, and he died on the shitter because that turkey is like spackle in his bells. Dave: [1:12:09] The answer was Philip was Philip. So I guess that is his nickname, Philly. So we'll let that one go on the technicality. Sarah: [1:12:14] Philly Spoons. Dave: [1:12:15] Doesn't matter. Even if I redacted that name, that was a Sarah D. Bunting, slam dunk answer. Sarah: [1:12:20] Yes, finally. Thank you. Dave: [1:12:22] Tara, Camilla is at a party celebrating her induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame following the success. Of her debut album. Camilla tells her sister that she thinks she'd do better as a cocktail waitress than a relief worker. The main character becomes very upset by this and attempts to pull down Camilla's gold statue, which tragically leads to her own death. Who is Camilla's sister? Tara: [1:12:47] Oh my god, what was her name? Clip: [1:12:48] I'm a kid. Tara: [1:12:49] It's Jamila Jamil from the Good Place. Dave: [1:12:51] Uh-huh. Tara: [1:12:52] Tahani. Dave: [1:12:52] Tahani is correct from the good place. Back to Eli. This is your penultimate question, Eli. Tina appears briefly when her older sister is left to babysit her while her parents are away. But Tina is then written out of this period sitcom completely and the writers later treat the remaining sister as an only child. Who is Tina's sister? Eli: [1:13:17] If I guess wrong, do I still get the hint? Dave: [1:13:18] You still get a guess, and I will tell you that you can start thinking about this as a sitcom. Eli: [1:13:24] Okay, yeah, this I'm going to guess Donna from 70s show. Dave: [1:13:27] You're correct, two points. Tara: [1:13:28] Nice to meet you. Eli: [1:13:29] Okay. You said period piece, and that one is very clearly a period piece, yeah. Dave: [1:13:35] All right, everybody has one question left. Let's get this course. Tara: [1:13:37] Okay, Sarah has seven, Eli has nine, I have E uh twelve. Dave: [1:13:43] E twelve. Tara: [1:13:43] I have E twelve. Dave: [1:13:44] All right, great, perfect. Eli: [1:13:45] B12. Imaginary numbers. Wow. Or is it scientific notation? Look, I'm not a math guy. Sorry. Clip: [1:13:52] Cause I make a cool 'cause I make a lot of money. Dave: [1:13:53] Amy, played by Christina Applegate, can't seem to remember the name of her sister's baby whenever she visits them in New York. Ironically, in one story arc, Amy decides to become a baby stylist, giving fashion advice for infants. Clip: [1:14:01] Cut the book out of the moon. I'm a cutable. Dave: [1:14:07] Who is Amy's sister, Sarah D. Bunding? Clip: [1:14:10] I'm the bar. Sarah: [1:14:10] I mean, again, Picky, what are you doing? Rachel Green I think yeah, I think so. Dave: [1:14:15] Rachel Greene is correct for two points. Tara: [1:14:17] We watched an episode with her, right? Didn't we watch a Christina Applegate episode for something? Dave: [1:14:21] I think so. Tara: [1:14:23] I feel like we did. Dave: [1:14:23] Yeah. Tara. Nadine, the older sister of a main character, is jealous of her sister and constantly copies her. even stealing her boyfriend and marrying him. The two grew up in Queens before taking different career trajectories, one as a caterer, the other as an au pair. Who is Nadine's sister? Tara: [1:14:44] Oh my god, there's so much information. I still don't know it. What's the show? Dave: [1:14:47] The show is the nanny. Tara: [1:14:50] Oh, Fran? Dave: [1:14:52] Fran is fine, answer, and also is Fran fine. Clip: [1:14:52] It's a big up to the book. Dave: [1:14:56] Good for one point. All right, Eli, take us out on this one. Clip: [1:14:59] It's a big up to the book. Dave: [1:15:00] Rad. Rad. Voiced by Patrick Bramal. Clip: [1:15:05] Like I want it a rock to make a move like I will take it a rock to make Don't give me land to a teacher. Dave: [1:15:05] used to work on an oil rig far from home, which kept him from visiting his family often. When he did visit, he'd make up for lost time with amazing stories and wild, playful games. Now he's a family man staying in Brisbane. Who is Rad's brother? Eli: [1:15:23] Uh I need the hint. Dave: [1:15:26] The show is bluey. Clip: [1:15:29] It's a week on top. Eli: [1:15:31] Well, I'd be an idiot if I didn't guess Bluey, but I don't know. Clip: [1:15:34] Don't give a light to a tear. Dave: [1:15:36] Oh, the answer is bandit. Clip: [1:15:37] It's a week on top of my Tara, Tara. Dave: [1:15:39] Bandit. So that would be Bluey's uncle, I guess. Eli: [1:15:42] Oh, Bandit, that guy. Tara: [1:15:42] Yes, Rad is Blueie's uncle. Dave: [1:15:43] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That is regulation. We need scores. Tara: [1:15:48] Okay, Sarah and Eli finished with nine. I had thirteen. Dave: [1:15:53] All right, so well played everybody. Eli, are you happy with your performance? You said you were going to walk away at zero points. And look at all the endpoints you got. Eli: [1:16:00] I managed to figure a couple out. I mean, you know, I think it's rude to ask a bald man about Bluey. It's not made for me at all. But you know, I did it. The Star Trek people are mad at me, which I still don't get why that was wrong, but I'm sure that's part of why they're mad at me. And I will say that a straight white man getting a question about The Simpsons wrong is actually progressive. That's actually good for us. Dave: [1:16:23] Yeah. Eli: [1:16:24] We're kind of going against type. Sarah: [1:16:27] Yeah Hold on, Tara. Dave: [1:16:27] We're all very proud of you for all your mistakes. All right, guys, that is it for this episode of Extra Hot Great. We made our long story about long story short, short, before going around the dial with. Stops at Peacemaker, live at the Purple Onion and Smoke. Mademoiselle Caroline asked, Who are you? And we answered. The ones agreeing with you about putting this and/or episode into the canon and also using tortured run-on sentences. We crowned winners and losers of the week, and Tara was the winner of this week's game time. From Amy. Next up, this Friday's club exclusive episode looks at the Thursday Murder Club. Remember. Clip: [1:17:16] We're listening. Dave: [1:17:19] I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tara Ariano. Tara: [1:17:23] Homer Simpson is a brilliant man with lots of well thought out practical ideas. Dave: [1:17:27] His hygiene is above reproach. Yes, Tara, thank you. Sarah debunting. Sarah: [1:17:33] Crook, monsieur, La Turie Fell. Dave: [1:17:36] And Eli Yudin. Eli: [1:17:38] Star Trek's full of captains, and I don't care which ones they are. Dave: [1:17:42] Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra Hot Great. Clip: [1:17:45] This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. I've seen voice.