Navigating East Peck By Trial & Error

Tara: [00:02] This episode of Extra Extra Hot Great is brought to you by Dr. Calhoun's 15 Seconds of Fame. You may have heard that the American federal government has cut all funding for NPR and PBS. Some states also cut all funding for NPR and PBS. So, if you can please donate to your local NPR and PBS stations, even a one-time donation helps. We will link donation pages in the show notes. So, look those up. Clip: [00:30] For more on the town's reaction, we go to Associate Mayor Haze Dinkins. Like all Packers, this morning I am numb. Lavinia is more than just a beautiful. Woman with an unparalleled sense of fashion. Her family name is literally emblazoned on every square inch of this town. A town that her ancestors built with their own two to three hundred workers. Dave: [00:59] This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 369 for the August 23rd, 2025 weekend. I am Trunk Surprise David T. Cole, and I'm here with Incomprehensible Judge Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [01:20] It's pronounced Acholet. Dave: [01:22] And Flagboy Tara Ariano. Tara: [01:24] Lady Driver, Lady Driver We watched it. Sarah: [01:34] Indeed. But I'm no lady. Hello, listeners! Welcome back to Extra Extra Hot Grate for another weekend. We're so glad you're here for The August Forsening. In the event that you have just joined us on the Extra Podcast, we have a Forsening pool to which listeners like you contribute episodes and whatnots you want us to listen to and comment on. Even if you're not new here, you should consider contributing. It's always a ride to wade into these suggestions. Head to the website extrahotgrate. com for more information about that process. Today's forsoning is from a legal mockumentary series called Trial and Error, specifically Season 2, Episode 1, The Suitcase, and today's contributor is Hayden Haymaker, who writes I absolutely loved both seasons of this show, and I am so sad it wasn't renewed. I want to know if the show appealed to the panel, and this episode is a solid intro to the series. Let's get into a little production background. Trial and Error had two shortish seasons back in the late teens. I would describe it as American vandalized parks and wreck of Dixie. Dave: [02:44] Yeah, it's pretty good. Sarah: [02:46] Created by Matt Miller of the Lethal Weapon TV series, remember that thing? And Chuck and Jeff Astroff of Shining Veil, among others. The first season saw Josh Siegel, Nicolas Diagosto from Election, I feel like is the lead on the IMDb for me. coming to the little town of East Peck, South Carolina, to defend a poetry professor, John Lithgow, on charges that the professor killed his wife. Along the way, Josh acquires an assistant, Anne, Sherry Shepard, a researcher, Dwayne, Stephen Boyer, and a nemesis/slash occasional love interest, Carol Ann, Jama Mays. This episode is kicking off the second season's big case as local heiress Lavinia Peck Foster. Gets pulled over and cops accidentally find the body of her husband stuffed in a suitcase in the trunk of her roles. Lavinia calls a lawyer and continues to call him only lawyer, not Josh, but we'll talk about that in a sec. First, let's do the Chen Check-in. A quick 15-second yay or nay. Should you watch? Tara, should listeners watch trial and error. Tara: [03:56] I would say the first season was better, but season two was also fun. So, sure. Dave: [04:03] I think that this is a relatively undiscovered gem, but it does have some problems. To kind of keep me from wholeheartedly saying you must pay for it. If it was free, I'd say go for it. If you got to pay for it, I'm like, maybe if you like X, Y, and Z. And I think your comparatives were pretty good, Sarah, at the start there. Tara: [04:20] Mm-hmm, for sure. Sarah: [04:21] Yeah, it was a yes from me as well with the same caveat. Tara: [04:22] Yeah. Sarah: [04:26] Try to wait it out and see if it comes somewhere that you can stream it for free. It's not as good as American Bandle, but few things are. Let's get into it. I am not generally a mockumentary Person. I think the genre is just like worn out at this point, and it just needs to lay fallow for at least a few years. I do think there are opportunities in it to innovate still, including making fun of true crime infotainment. Is this the sort of show that you guys would want? Or try to watch generally, or is that combination of overused framework and true crime a no-go for you? Dave, you are the most true crime intolerant of the panel. Dave: [05:05] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, thank you, Sarah. I am. And I would say putting myself back in time when we first watched this, and I think we picked up the first season in between the first and second season. We were a little late to the party. But the mockumentary fatigue hadn't really set in yet. And here's the thing about mockumentary throughput. When I first encountered it, and I would say like my first real love of that format was UK Office. Absolutely love that series. I think it's one of the best of breed for sure. They used it to good effect, where I think as we go along through time, the mockumentary became less about Capturing the people in the moment off guard, and more about being able to telegraph a joke through a mechanism that seems like you're doing something arty. I think that's where we are with mockumentaries now, more so than actually producing a documentary in a comedy workspace. Sarah: [06:05] Yeah, it's like a joke rutch, maybe. Dave: [06:07] Yes. Sarah: [06:08] I don't know if that's the right term. Dave: [06:08] Nope, you're absolutely right. Nope, it is. And this show is somewhere in the middle of that history. And I think it shows like there are a lot of buttons on things that don't need to be there, but also because it is a slice of life. Storyline, the mockumentary parts work when they're not doing that lazy lifting part. So for me, the show hits right in the middle of that timeline. So there's really good stuff. And there's some sort of lazy stuff that keeps me from saying, like, this is top-tier shows. But what they do well, I think they do really well. And what they lean on too much, they lean on way too much. When did we as a collective society get Fockers out of our system? And here's this show with 10,000 pecker jokes. Tara: [06:57] Yes. Mm-hmm. Dave: [07:00] In the first three minutes, because all the townspeople in East Peck are peckers. And after the first few, I'm like, all right, great, got it out of your system. Oh. We're still doing it, are we? Okay, so it's a mixed bag, but overall, I, you know, I still enjoyed it. It's the funny stuff is funny. Tara: [07:18] Yeah, I agree. I wasn't, you know, mad that I watched it. Although, as I already said, I did think that the second season was a big step down for the first. Sarah, for you, I'm sure you saw this in your research, but the first. Season is basically a riff on the staircase, and the second is a riff on the jinx. So these are two very big true crime properties that were Super sensational and still are being talked about today. Sarah: [07:34] Right. Tara: [07:41] Even since these two seasons have come out, like more has been added to the lore of both of those cases in terms of TV properties, at least. So, yeah, I agree with Dave. This is very much like the TV network version of American Vandal, with all that that implies. Like it, there's a lot more hand-holding. There's a lot more editing tricks, I guess. Like, like Dave said, you know, doing things to cut to a joke. There's also just weirdness that doesn't get weird enough. Like runner of Anne having different Weird ailments go on through the series. And in this episode, we see that she has some kind of like jumping disease where she gets startled and she can like just shoot straight up several feet in the air. Dave: [08:25] Jumping Frenchmen of Maine Syndrome Yeah. Tara: [08:27] Thank you. That goes through the series, and there's more of them than that. So it's like, okay, is what kind of elastic reality are we dealing with? Because everything else is pretty grounded, other than the cop who is, by the way, his name is Dwayne Reed. He is a complete idiot, and I think one of the funnier characters. His performance is really good. He doesn't cheat it. Dave: [08:48] So, wait, just to rewind to the French the jumping Frenchman main thing. Tara: [08:51] Uh-huh. Dave: [08:52] I thought that was one of the better setups in the show because they do this really stupid reveal. And I totally agree with you that it's the one outlier in their universe rules. But it's the Sherry Shepard character, the lawyer bursts into the room and she likes an Acme spring cartoon setup, just goes boing, it hits the roof and comes back down, hits the ceiling rather, and comes back down. And then that's all you hear until like the last moment of the episode. They save the callback until like the last 15 seconds of the episode, which I thought was smart because I kind of forgot about it. Then it came back. But when they actually pulled it off the first time, I was genuinely surprised and laughed out loud. Sarah: [09:27] I would say a lot of the Things that I liked about it are sight gags. Like, like Lavinia, when she first gets pulled over, she has sunglasses on while driving at night, but she also has a fascinator on, like, in her car. Tara: [09:38] Yeah. Mm-hmm. Sarah: [09:41] And then there's a bit where Dwayne, who has like shot his own toe off, because that's what a character in this universe would do, is slicing left into a wall during a foot chase because he Shot his shot his toe off, and he's like listing to port, basically, which I thought was very funny. Dave: [09:51] That was a good scene. Tara: [09:53] That made me laugh out loud. Uh-huh. Yeah. Sarah: [10:00] And I respected that. Pace, they kept it moving mostly. Like, there were a few parts, like when she's explaining jumping Frenchmen's whatever of Maine disease, but it's like, okay, take one thing off. Tara: [10:11] Yeah. Dave: [10:12] Well, that would have worked in arrested development. Sarah: [10:15] Mhm. Dave: [10:16] And this show has, there's another very comparative. It's got some arrested development DNA. Sarah: [10:19] Yes, good point, for sure. Dave: [10:20] Like all these jokes we're describing, I'm like, that could definitely be in arrested development. Sarah: [10:23] Hundred per cent. Dave: [10:24] Except it's not all arrested development. Like it doesn't have that continuous, breathless pace that arrested development does, where they demand a joke of themselves every 15 seconds minimum. And so this one, like the pacing is different. So when they dip in and out of that mode, that's when the show sort of like can stall a bit. And then they have like other jokes which are much more from the past of sitcoms. Like there is a joke where the lawyer is visiting Lavinia in jail, and so he decides to bring a package of cookies from the vending machine because, you know, she's so used to luxury and she's in jail. All right. And then, like, 15 seconds later, he finally opens the door. And of course, there's a full banquet there because she is the Queen of Town. Tara: [11:07] She's rich. Yes. Dave: [11:09] That joke you saw coming in the first microsecond of that setup. And yet they went on for 15 seconds to do it. So there's a weird mix of old school and for the time, new school sitcom comedy. And they don't always blend very well in the show. But individually, some of those things are quite funny. Tara: [11:28] They are, and they that moment is sort of rescued by her calling them Lorna Duones. Sarah: [11:34] Duo Lorna Dunes, yeah, you have. Dave: [11:35] What are those? I don't think I've ever had those. Tara: [11:37] Shortbread, yes, you have. Dave: [11:38] Oh, okay. Tara: [11:38] They're just plain shortbread. Yeah. Dave: [11:40] I am not crackpot. Sharp bread is boring. Tara: [11:43] Hard disagree, but Yeah. Sarah: [11:44] You're right, but um, Institutional Starch Buncey loves them. Dave: [11:44] I know. Mhm. Sarah: [11:48] Yeah, this is like my Favorite Kristen Chenoweth is just like completely bugging out surreal. Dave: [11:54] Yeah. Sarah: [11:55] When she first gets pulled over, you could tell like she has been. Waiting to do this role for a while. She is so excited that she doesn't have to like sing or be Broadway or anything like that. Like, she does manage to sing, but let's hear clip three. Clip: [12:09] You get home safely. You too. Oh, uh, also your tail light is out. Put it in the warning! Ta-ta! Ta-da! Uh. Also, you have a dead body in your trunk. Oh, for sake, put it in the warning. Oh, no. Dave: [12:35] The other thing she does that's close to singing, but not quite, is she has this wah cry she does in jail, which made me laugh too. But I have to say, she is usually kryptonite for me. And she wasn't here, so I'm definitely going to give her props in the show props for that. Tara: [12:49] I'll tell you, Sarah, if you enjoy this, that I believe season two of Shmigadoon, which was called Shmecago, is Her in a very similar kind of a mode to this. Sarah: [13:00] Gotcha. I've always liked her fine, and then she sort of was the Host and producer of this fairly icky true crime docuseries about something that happened at a scout. Camp that she was supposed to go to, but she was sick, and then children were murdered, and her participation in that was like, oh, what are you doing? So, this clawed it back a bit. I also enjoyed that the true crime Easter eggs were like, it was big enough stuff that most people would get it. Like there was the staircase owl theory thing that Came back up in this episode, and then it's a he holds up a book and it's If I Did It, but then it's Lithgow and an Owl on the cover, but same font as OJ Simpson. Tara: [13:33] Right. Yep. Sarah: [13:44] And then this was a pretty wild choice. We're going out of clip order, but Dave, can you play clip two? Clip: [13:50] I was just a little girl when my father died. That morning mother brought me to the big window. She pointed to where father was standing on the roof. I said, why is father standing on the roof? You have to understand I was an inquisitive child. She said just wave. So I did. He waved back. Then he jumped to his death. Sarah: [14:20] This may be almost verbatim, the section from The Jinx where Robert Durst is Talking and then there was that uh somewhat controversial reenactment of his late mother sailing off a peaked roof. Dave: [14:34] Oh, yeah. Sarah: [14:34] Of their home and floating past the window where a small child was waving. I mean, that's a choice. Like they make little choices like that. That I think they're interesting. I'm not sure I agree. Like, there's, you know, law and order font on a courtroom dedication plaque, little stuff like that, but I mean, they clearly watch the genre and see where there are opportunities to make fun of it. How do we feel about uh the lead? How do we feel about Nicolas DiAgosto? Tara: [15:03] I thought he was good. He's the right level of straight guy funny for this. I mean, straight. He's a straight guy, but also straight man is what I actually meant. The stuff with him and the DA who like fooled around in the first season and now she's pregnant and she won't say if he's the father. All of that is also very arrested development. The Julia recalls the Julia Louis Dreyfus character. But yeah, he's fine. I mean, I think he's very likable. I don't know why he doesn't work more, honestly. Dave: [15:30] Yeah, I enjoyed him with Judge Campbelltoe. Tara: [15:33] Yeah. Dave: [15:33] Judge Campbelltoe speaks in a very particular way that's very hard to understand, but everybody else in the court knows how to Parse it and so he was come again, excuse me, pardon me. Tara: [15:34] Yes. That also made me laugh. Uhhuh. Dave: [15:44] And then he was very afraid to say what the judge's name was because it's spelled K-A-M-I-L-T-O-W. So he has some problems with that. Like I say, there's some really good jokes in here. It's just got a weird it's got a weird start and stop cadence that sort of just keeps you from barreling through it. Sarah: [16:01] Yeah, I think that's true. You wonder what this would have looked like if it were on Comedy Central or like, I don't know, Adult Swim somehow. Dave: [16:12] Or ten years later. Sarah: [16:14] Yeah. Dave: [16:14] Yeah. Sarah: [16:14] I kind of wish that they would bring it back. I feel like maybe Only Murders in the Building sort of like picked up this. Baton from trial and error, and it should maybe just stay where it is in the past. But this was enjoyable. I think That the only ground left for the mockumentary comedy subgenre to cover might be with True Crime's various self-important tics and tropes. So, thank you, Hayden Haymaker. Dave: [16:50] It is time to answer your questions and listen to what has been judged by the UN as the world's greatest theme song. Yes, it is time for Ask EHG. Not the United Nations. It stands for something else. Tara, you are. Wait, hang on. You're not. We don't know Tara. But Tara is the judge this week. Tara: [17:24] Oh my god, just like I predicted last week. Dave: [17:24] So, Tara. Yeah. All right, judge. Tara: [17:29] Messi One wrote, When you're out and about, do you ever see something that requires you to sing part of a song about it, either with the real lyrics or your own? For instance, when I walk by the personal watermelons at the grocery store, I must sing. Your own personal watermelon from Depeche Mode. Dave: [17:46] Come on, put some effort into it. Tara: [17:48] Well, I already objected to this last week. Sarah: [17:48] Yeah, that's No. Tara: [17:50] The scansion doesn't work. Sorry, messy one. It's messy. I have some some listener pics, but I understand my co-hosts also have answers for this. Sarah. Sarah: [18:00] I do. I mean, I have dozens, but the first one I thought of ties into some recent coverage here on the Extra Hot Great Verse. I like to dip my french fries in mustard. Do not at me. I do not want to fucking hear it. Dave: [18:12] That's good. Yeah, I know. Sarah: [18:14] When the local remembers this and brings me a little cup of Gouldens, I always sing, They put the mustard out from Once More with Feeling. Again, far from the only instance, and my scansion tends to be a little better than my singing, but that's the first one I thought of. I definitely, definitely do this. Dave: [18:36] Just as I thought it was going all right. I thought did I wrong, what I thought I was right, Is always the same, it's just a shame, coal slaw. Sarah: [18:50] Us law? Tara: [18:51] That's pretty good. Sarah: [18:51] Yeah. Tara: [18:52] All right, here's some runners up. Lucy wrote, Polar Seltzer had a delicious seasonal flavor years back called Raspberry Rose, which I always sang to the tune of Raspberry Rose, the kind you get at the grocery store. Sarah: [19:02] Me too, me too. I forgot about that. Tara: [19:08] Janice Stark writes, When road trips take me through western Wisconsin She lives in Minnesota. It's common enough. She says, at the first sighting of a road sign for Menominee, my spouse or I will immediately respond: do Menominee. Sarah: [19:23] Do do it's very good. Tara: [19:27] Graventy writes, I cannot hear a loaf of bread without completing the rest of the shopping list, a container of milk and a stick of butter in her head. Sarah: [19:35] Stick a butter. Tara: [19:36] or his or theirs. Sarah: [19:37] Yep. Tara: [19:37] Of course, that is what we all do if we are right with the Lord. But our winner this week is Mike McComb. Apple music at the grocery store. Hey lady, pink lady. A la the opening of I've Never Been to Me every time. Cameo apples, never even heard of those myself, almost always trigger word up in my brain, but not usually vocalized. Mike, congratulations. I've never been to me as one of my favorite terrible songs. So please. Write to Dave to get your sticker. Dave: [20:11] On Discord, please, DM me on Discord. Tara: [20:11] Congratulations on Discord. Dave: [20:13] Yes. All right, let's get into your questions this week. Dr. Dan Cassino has a long one, and I just woke up a little while ago because I'm short on sleep and I'm having trouble reading it. Tara: [20:23] Do you want me to read it since it's a million pages long, Dan? Dave: [20:24] Here we go. Yeah, why don't you read it? It is a million pages long. The first such incident occurred in 1958. Tara: [20:32] Dan writes, excuse me, Dr. Cassino writes, there have been a number of operas based on movies like Lost Highway, The Hours, and The Fly, but I have never seen one based on a TV show. What T V show has the grand emotion to make a grand opera or the farcical elements to make a light opera and follow up? Dave: [20:50] Well, let's just answer that one first. Tara: [20:51] Okay. Dave: [20:52] Okay. A T V show that should be an opera has the gravitas to be an operatar. Tara: [20:55] Yeah. Or the drama. Dave: [20:59] Right. Tara: [20:59] Melrose plays. Dave: [21:00] Oh. Tara: [21:01] You think you couldn't work in a wig rip into an opera? Give me a break. Sarah. Sarah: [21:07] As troubling as it is to leave the sopranos on the table for this one, my actual answer is the leftovers. I feel like the mysterious slash supernatural slash grand grief elements of it would serve the story and the heightened emotion of the song craft. Dave? Dave: [21:24] I went with the wire. Thought the wire could be good first couple seasons. Not well, actually, not the Stevedor season. That would be too complicated with the set. How are you going to bring a crane into a theater? You can't. And if you're talking about Steve Vedorse, you don't have a Doc Crane? What are we even doing here? First season of Wire is my answer. Sarah: [21:39] Just borrow a Pirates of Penzance sat from somewhere. Dave: [21:42] That's right. Sarah: [21:42] There's gotta be a half ship clattering around the Met someplace. Dave: [21:45] Is this a crossover episode? All right, so let's do the follow-up. Tara: [21:50] Follow-up, this is also from Dr. Cassino, assuming that we want to stage all of these ideas, we have a problem. The now stuffy and hide-bound Met Opera won't do it because they put all their time and money into a new version of Carmen set at a gas station. Parentheses, yes, that's a real thing. That means modern opera wars. Which T V show would be the best place to dramatize the 21st century resurgence of the Opera Wars? Clip: [22:15] Enjoying the upper war. Tara: [22:17] I'm going with a show that's already dipped a toe into this in a recent season, possibly last season, possibly earlier, don't recall. There was a reference in the morning show to Gilmore Girls, the musical. And so, therefore, I think certainly these characters would go see Melrose Place, the musical, in the universe of that show. Sarah. Sarah: [22:35] I also considered the morning show, but I ended up going with Elspeth. I think you can get a lot of actual opera slash Broadway and theater people to be in that arc, possibly as themselves. And it would lean into the histrionics of the situation while also using Elspeth herself to cut it all down to size a bit. So that's my answer. Dave. Dave: [22:56] Okay, interesting. See, I read it as what show has people that don't really actually give a shit about the opera? but would fight a proxy war through the opera. Tara: [23:05] Mm, mm-hmm. Dave: [23:07] So I went with the Blues and the Sitwells from Arrested Development. Sarah: [23:07] Hmm Uh huh. Tara: [23:09] Oh, yeah. Yep, for sure. Sarah: [23:12] Yep, solid. Dave: [23:13] Rachel Hopps, I recently heard a movement from the Taranga Leela Symphony on the radio and thought it was the Taranga Leela Symphony. Tara: [23:22] As in the Futurama character, which is probably where they got the name from. Dave: [23:24] Yes, with a space. It is absolutely where they got the name. What TV character deserves to have a symphony written in their honor, Sarah Stardasoff. Sarah: [23:35] Joan Holloway Harris. Dave: [23:36] Oh, yeah. Sarah: [23:37] I will not be taking questions. Dave. Dave: [23:39] Stringer Bell or Elf or Both Yeah. Tara: [23:48] I'm going Julio from Phantasmus. In some kind of weird John Cage situation that would befit his character. Sarah: [23:52] Ooh Mhm Yeah, I'm not sure if I can do it. Dave: [23:57] I know who that is. I actually know who John Cage is, thanks to the Great American Pub Culture Quiz Show. Thanks, Dan. Dr. Calhoun, who would you cast in a live action King of the Hill? So let's each just run down our choices here. Hank, I put David Harbour. Tara: [24:14] Mm-mm-hmm. Dave: [24:15] I didn't want somebody like too old. Tara: [24:17] Yeah. Dave: [24:18] Peggy, Alice, and Janny. Tara: [24:20] Hmm, okay. Dave: [24:21] I could see. Well, I mean, she plays. I mean, she was in. Was she in Drop Dead Gorgeous? Tara: [24:24] Yes, mm. Dave: [24:25] Yeah. Bobby, I'm going to butcher his name. Sorry, dude. Gayton Matarazzo. Tara: [24:30] That's who I picked too. Dave: [24:31] Okay, great. Sarah: [24:32] Oh, wow, I like that. Dave: [24:34] From Stranger Things. Tara: [24:34] From Stranger Things, and he is 22. Sarah: [24:36] Yeah, that's really good. Tara: [24:36] He's actually older than the Bobby character is in the current season. Dave: [24:38] Yep. For Dale, conspiracy theorist, I went with Walton Goggins. Sarah: [24:45] Ooh. Dave: [24:45] For Bill, I just, he's right there, Stephen Root. Tara: [24:48] Same. Dave: [24:48] Yeah. Sarah: [24:49] Yeah, same. Dave: [24:49] And for Boomhauser, I went with Owen Wilson. Tara: [24:52] Oh, okay, I can see it. Dave: [24:53] Yeah. All right, Tara, what's your choices here? Tara: [24:55] All right. Well, leaving out the ones I already tied with you on. A few that I thought other than Stephen Root could just play the characters they voice. I think Hank, played by Mike Judge, would be perfectly fine. Dave: [25:08] Sure. Tara: [25:08] And so would Toby Huss as Dale kind of looks like him. Dave: [25:10] Mm-hmm. Tara: [25:12] For Peggy, I went with Carrie Kuhn. It was just the thought I had, and then I couldn't shake it. Dave: [25:16] Yeah. Sarah: [25:17] Haha, sure, yes. Tara: [25:17] Put her in the right wig and glasses. Dave: [25:18] You know you know who we should ask? Tara: [25:19] I think it works. Dave: [25:21] We should ask Quentin Tarantino because of that foot fetish Peggy episode. Tara: [25:24] Right. Yes. Sarah: [25:26] Oh yeah. Tara: [25:27] For Luanne, she they're not going to have her in the new season because Britney Murphy voiced her and she has died. So, this would be for earlier seasons, I guess. But I'm going to say Sidney Sweeney. For Boomhauer, I thought Michael Dorman from Patriot and Space Show. I think the voice he could even do actually. And then for Connie, I went Lana Condor from to all the boys I've loved before, whatever it's called. Sarah. Dave: [25:52] Hey boys, love you. Tara: [25:54] It's been a while. Dave: [25:55] Boys, question mark? Tara: [25:55] Sorry. Dave: [25:56] No, muddy down, Sarah. Sarah: [26:01] I went Jesse Plemons as Hank. Tara: [26:03] Mm, mm-hmm. Dave: [26:03] Yeah, that's good. Sarah: [26:05] Kim Dickens as Peggy. Tara: [26:07] Yep, see it. Dave: [26:07] Oh yeah. Sarah: [26:07] I'm not sure. That was definitely one where, like, once it took root, I couldn't get rid of it for in favor of anyone else. Tara: [26:12] I can see it. Mhm. Sarah: [26:14] Y'all's Bobby is better, but I picked Dylan Manette from 13 Reasons Why. He's too old, but like, so is everyone else that I managed to think of. Tara: [26:19] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [26:23] And I was like, I got to move on. Dale as Matthew McConaughey, who's going to write his own dialogue and it's going to be a fucking ride. Stephen Root as Bill. Why fuck with it? And then as Boomhauer, Lyle Love It. I don't know why. Tara: [26:34] Hmm. Sarah: [26:35] I just wanted it. Dave: [26:36] His mouth feels like it's the right mouth. Tara: [26:36] Yep. Yes. Sarah: [26:39] Yeah, yeah. Tara: [26:40] Well, he is Texan, so Yes. Dave: [26:41] But he's got that halfway to the Grinch thing happening with his mouth that I think Boomhauser shares. Tara: [26:45] Uh-huh. Sarah: [26:45] Yes, absolutely. Tara: [26:47] It's Boomhauer, not Boomhauser. Dave: [26:47] Yeah. Boomhauer, thank you. All right, Johnny S. A. has our next question. On American Ninja Warrior, the contestants invariably yell, let's go, at the starting line to pump themselves up and to celebrate when they finish. It's getting a bit stale though. What should they yell instead? Tara: [27:04] First of all, I'd like to say I now know this is international and it crosses outside the American Ninja Warrior space because One of the nail shops that I go to is always playing Physical 100, a very similar kind of show on Netflix on the TVs. Not nail shop material at all. Dave: [27:21] Whenever I go to get my hair cut at Bird's Barbershop Here, they all have their own like iPads or whatever sitting against the mirror so they can watch TV while they wait. I guess hopefully, not while they're cutting my hair. Tara: [27:31] Sure. Uh-huh. Dave: [27:33] But they always got the weirdest fucking streaming shows on. I'm always having these like, what are you watching? There was somebody watching like a maybe pre-tween mermaid drama show the one time I went there. Tara: [27:44] Mm-hmm. Dave: [27:45] And I was like, what? You're fucking 42. What is going on here? It was just fascinating. So sorry. But I think it's universal. Tara: [27:52] Yeah. Dave: [27:52] This, yeah. Tara: [27:53] Well, the last time I got a pedicure, they were watching the movie Maid. Remember that? With Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughan and Puff? Daddy, for some reason, from like 2001. Sarah: [28:00] And puff. Yep. Tara: [28:02] So random. Sarah: [28:02] Oh, my God. Tara: [28:03] Anyway, sorry for the digression. Bazinga, Dave. Dave: [28:07] I forgot what the question was. Oh, yeah. What are they yelling? I am a big, bright, shining star. It's from the end of Boogie Nights. Okay. Sarah. Sarah: [28:17] Who will fight me? Dave: [28:18] Ah, that's a good one. Tara: [28:19] Perfect, that's good. Dave: [28:20] Yeah, perfect. Tara: [28:21] Sarah wins. Dave: [28:22] Yeah, here we go. Tara: [28:22] Sarah's answer is correct. Clip: [28:24] Who will fight me? Dave: [28:28] One of these days, I'm going to track down that show and just watch that scene to see if it's as stupid as that cliff is because, god damn it. Tara: [28:34] Of course, it is. Dave: [28:34] All right. Dr. Calhoun is back with a second question. In Alien Colon Earth, Timothy Off with his pants is wearing overalls. Does that mean he technically isn't wearing pants? Sarah. Sarah: [28:46] No, that is not what it means. Overalls are pants with a built-in bib and braces. Tara. Tara: [28:52] Well, he's not wearing overalls. Dave: [28:53] That's right. Tara: [28:54] He's wearing a boiler suit, aka coveralls. Dave: [28:56] That's right. Tara: [28:57] So, I guess he's technically not wearing pants. He's wearing coveralls, which are different. And I've gone on at length about my problems with jumpsuits on our sister podcast, Listen to Sassy. So, I'm not going to do it here again. But, you know, that's the problem. Pants, you can take them on and off. Boiler suit or coveralls, it's your whole fucking thing, Dave. Dave: [29:19] What was that game show on Saturday Night Live with Reverend Jackson? Tara: [29:24] I don't remember. Dave: [29:25] What was it? I'm sorry, but the question is moot. Tara: [29:26] The question is moot. Dave: [29:27] Yeah. Tara: [29:28] The question is moot. Dave: [29:28] The question is moot. Tara: [29:29] Yep. Dave: [29:30] Yeah, they're they're coveralls. They're not overalls. So, yeah. Tim, if Peacock was to take the Jaws IP and make a show out of it somehow, what should it be? Tim's thinking outer banks, but with sharks and the mob, or go full wings and set it at a ferry terminal. Good choices. Tara: [29:48] Mm-hmm. Dave: [29:48] Well, I hope for Dan Casino's sake that it is actually a backdoor pilot for the Fish Police reboot. Tara: [29:54] Of course. Dave: [29:54] That's something maybe we can make happen for him. My original thought was going to be like the sharks versus Atlantis thing, like full of human nature drama. Tara: [30:03] Uh-huh. Dave: [30:03] But I actually think Harley Quinn did something like that. Tara: [30:06] Yeah, they did with King, yeah, mm-hmm. Dave: [30:06] Wasn't there like an invasion to the shark kingdom or something? Yeah. So, you know, Simpsons did it. So I'm going to go with selling Fox on this 14th, 15th Gordon Ramsey show called Water Mare Shark Kitchen. Which is exactly like all the other shows, except it's underwater. Tara: [30:25] Yeah. Dave: [30:25] So Ramsey has to wear a scuba suit, and nobody can tell what he's saying. Because while you hear, give me fingers like the figures. Tara: [30:34] Good Google And then the shark eats him. Dave: [30:35] You call it crayled and you crew Sir Wait, we have an exciting interlude here for a second. Sarah: [30:40] I think they should make a show about the making of Jaws based on Julia Phillips' accounts of the productions Travails and You'll Never Eat Lunch in This Town Again. So basically, it's the studio, but it's in a blue-collar section of Martha's Vineyard or Hyannis or wherever. And Robert Shaw's War with Motion Sickness, The Bottle, and Richard Dreyfus is like half the season. I would watch the fuck out of that. Tara. Dave: [31:05] All right, so Gordon Ramsey just put his hands in either side of a shark's head. Maybe this is it's an idiot shark singage Yeah, that's a scene from Water Mare Shark Kitchen. Sarah: [31:17] Mhm. Tara: [31:18] Yeah. Sarah: [31:19] Yeah, Team Bruce. Tara: [31:20] So it's a sitcom either way. It's your choices are to be about Harbormaster Frank Silva. Dave: [31:28] Uh-huh. Tara: [31:28] He loves a morning soda cracker and his loud, I assume, Portuguese family, or about the guy, this guy, play my clip. Clip: [31:37] Got a deep throat crack. Yeah, but what kind? What kind of shark? It's a tiger shark. A what? Tara: [31:45] Just call the show a what? It could be anything. Dave: [31:48] Yeah, I love that. I just thought of another one. Project runway style thing, but just for the mayor's clothes. Tara: [31:55] Yes. Dave: [31:57] Because chef kiss, Marie Hamilton, you've done it again to pickles. Tara: [31:59] Mhm. Speaking of chef's kisses. Dave: [32:04] What's the one thing that you just refuse to do when a recipe calls for it? Nope. Tara: [32:10] When I make something, which is rare, I'm usually baking. And I am too inexperienced and scared to improvise. So I do everything they tell me to. Sarah. Sarah: [32:22] Save, you know, the pasta water that you've reserved can be. No, I'm not reserving pasta water. Fuck off. Dave: [32:29] It it's good. Sarah: [32:30] Dave. Dave: [32:31] Usually you put it in your sauce, it thickens up the sauce. Sarah: [32:33] Yeah, okay. Dave: [32:34] I know. Sarah: [32:35] My sauce is thick enough, as you may have read in the men's room. Dave: [32:35] All right. Tara: [32:36] This isn't about interrogating people's things. Sarah: [32:38] Yeah, it's a fucking hassle, I'm not doing it. Dave: [32:40] The sauce is thick enough. Sarah: [32:43] Yeah. Dave: [32:44] Well, definitely blanch. I don't know how to blanch things. I actually came across instructions that said blanch the carrots until properly blanched. I'm like, what the fuck? Tara: [32:55] What? That's some that's some that's some bake-off recipe shit. Sarah: [32:56] Yeah. Dave: [32:56] What is that? A tautology? Sarah: [33:00] Yeah, blanch this ambassador. Not doing that either. Dave: [33:03] That is an absolute 100% nope. Borderline zest. If I see zest in a, I'm just like, oh, Jesus. I don't have the time to zest at a whole zest four lines like Jesus Christ. I got a life to live. Sarah: [33:17] Like, no. Tara: [33:19] My ha my hand doesn't know how to do that. Dave: [33:23] We have so many kitchen gadgets. And I know there's like those little zesters that would take you 12 hours to do one. And then there's some microplanes you can do faster. But why isn't there some sort of like, you know the apple peeler? Tara: [33:34] Yeah. Dave: [33:34] Where you stick it on the thing and you it just like peels it in one go. Tara: [33:36] Mhm. Yeah. Dave: [33:38] There should be something like that for zesting, where it's basically a zesting lathe. Tara: [33:41] Yes. Or ma or like a cheese grater, but smaller. Dave: [33:45] I say this like I want to zest it, like so much now. Tara: [33:48] Well, I did need to zest something recently. Dave: [33:48] I can't fucking wait to use zest. Sarah: [33:50] Yeah, like this is the one thing standing between you and a zestful baking existence. Dave: [33:57] Why does this macaroni cheese taste so weird? It's very lime. I just put zest in everything now. Tara: [34:03] Well, remember when I made those key line bars, which by the way were super good, I don't it's possible I didn't zest as much as I was supposed to. Dave: [34:06] Those are good. Yeah. You wake up in the morning, there's zest all over your pillow. Tara: [34:11] And that yeah. Dave: [34:14] I'm just standing there with the micro play and the big smile on my face. Sarah: [34:19] Possessed Fairy Speaking of Blanche, uh it's not her, it's Dorothy from the Golden Girls. Dave: [34:21] Yeah. Clip: [34:21] Enough. I'm so sick and tired of hearing you people talk about food, food, food. Dave: [34:27] Jovial Jen, pick a character from television to live with you and explain what led you to evict them. Sarah. Sarah: [34:38] I think everything'll be fine until the third straight time that her massive Heap of fabric outfits, unbalance the washing machine, and create this extremely loud banging throughout the entire house. At which time she's getting her sopping wet curtain vest thrown in a hamper with two-thirds of a cheesecake and shown the door. Dave. Dave: [34:58] I'm going to go with Murderbot. I think I would have accepted Murderbot as a roommate because he is someone who likes to avoid conversation. And I'm like, great, two introverts living together. Sounds good. But then I discover he's always watching me on his feeds, which I don't want. Sarah: [35:14] Yeah, ew. Dave: [35:15] So that's the reason I evict him. Then I also thought another character that I would evict would probably be Charlie Kale from Pokerface because she could see through all my bullshit lies about why I'm not repairing the toilet and stuff like that. So bad news there. Tara: [35:30] Yeah. It's going to be Turk from Scrubs. He is evicted for startling me with Rowdy the taxidermy dog, one time too many. Dave: [35:38] Yeah. VH4s, I'm going to say here, which city should get the wire treatment? What kind of characters or institutions would it follow? I'm going to choose Roswell, the town of Roswell. Normal kind of semi-dying desert town problem stuff until the last season, which is all about the secret alien lab underneath the town. Tara: [36:01] Some will say that Chicago has been covered plenty on TV by Dick Wolf alone, but I would like a sort of turn-of-the-century wire treatment. You could do a season on the meat packing industry, do a season on labor organizing. One on local electoral politics, parentheses crooked, and the arts scene, which was burgeoning at the time for a variety of reasons. So I think that would be pretty cool. Sort of the That's true. Dave: [36:27] Warrior is like halfway there. Tara: [36:29] Yeah. Dave: [36:30] Yeah. Tara: [36:30] This would be like the wire meets the Gilded Age meets warrior. Yeah. Good call. Sarah. Sarah: [36:34] Yeah, I sort of wanted to go in a period direction, maybe, and do New York Tammany Hall. And just like a literally five-block radius of Tammany Hall. But if we're gonna do present day, I would be interested in one of the big cities in New Jersey. And so I settled on Camden because you have a sort of New Jersey's Often fraught relationship with Pennsylvania and like, are we Philadelphian? Are we New York? Are there two New Jerseys? Camden is extremely dysfunctional in terms of municipal and state organizations because it's in New Jersey, but also was hollowed out by not just graft But substance misuse, what turns a city into a perceived hellhole, the cycle of law enforcement contact in a majority, minority city. Various vicious circles created by unemployment and dumb raconomics tricks, so on and so forth. And also, like State Grift built this beautiful superfluous aquarium there. So, yeah, Camden Waterfront Project by David Simon. I'd watch it. Dave: [37:39] Last question for us comes from Diana. you're granted the chance to get an answer to one mystery or secret that you've always wanted to know. What are you picking, Tara? Tara: [37:49] The Night of the Northeast Blackout in 2003 Did Dave hide my keys? Dave: [37:52] I knew this was going to be it. I fucking I should have said I know what yours is, because now you're not going to believe me, but I know what it is. Tara: [38:00] I believe you predicted that. Dave. Dave: [38:03] Oh, I see. We're not going to elaborate, are we? Okay. Tara: [38:05] No, I've we've told that story before. Dave: [38:07] Okay. I'm going to go with Genghis. Sorry, excuse me, Chengis Khan's grave site. I don't know if you know, like, the story behind it, but it's one of those deals where, like, I want to be buried somewhere and nobody can know where it is because I don't want people to be digging me up when I'm dead. Tara: [38:14] Mm-mm. Dave: [38:21] So all you poor workers go out there and dig my grave on one of these hills out somewhere, and then you're all going to get murdered so nobody knows where it is, and I'll be able to rest for eternity. I want to know where it is so I can just walk up to the hill, point at it, go, BAM! And they dig it up, and I'm right. And I'm like, How'd you do that? I never tell them. I just die, and I take the secret to my grave, which is also hidden. And I kill everybody who digs my grave as well. Tara: [38:44] Whoa, sure. Dave: [38:45] Yeah, and I become the next in the line. Sarah: [38:47] Wow. Dave: [38:48] Sarah. Sarah: [38:48] So it's like the ring. Dave: [38:49] It's just an excuse to murder some people, really, but we'll frame it historically. Sarah: [38:54] I have two. One is kind of light and fluffy and pop culturey, and the other one is extremely obvious. I bet each of you knows both of them. Any guesses? Dave: [39:02] Well, I know one has a theme song. Sarah: [39:04] Yeah, it does. Clip: [39:16] Take me back to the old school, 'cause I'm a whole fool, who's so cool? If you wanna get down, I'ma show you the way. Dave: [39:22] Coop Coop Coop There he is There he is That's fun. Clip: [39:22] There it is, let me hear you say it. Tara: [39:24] Coop Coop, there he is. Sarah: [39:24] Cooper he is, cooperous. Tara: [39:33] Yeah, I don't know what the other one is. Sarah: [39:33] Where exactly? Tara: [39:35] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [39:35] And then honorable mention, Truth Serum, Archie Pajabi, tell us what fucking happened on the good fight. Tara: [39:41] Oh, speaking of which, apparently there's a blind item going around that two actors on the new Avengers movie are beefing so hard that like one made a joke and the other did not think it was funny. And it Turned into such a thing that they are doing that for all of their scenes. Dave: [39:56] But we don't know who it is. Sarah: [39:56] Okay, no those are mine. Tara: [39:57] We don't know who it is. Dave: [39:58] Hmm. Tara: [39:59] There's like a thousand people in that movie. It truly could be anyone. Dave: [40:04] It is time for the Ask Ask EHG question, where we turn the tables. You have to answer this question. It comes from David T. Cole, who is me. Jeopardy is the perfect game show. Or is it? What's the one thing that you're going to add to make it perfect? And you can't add Alex Trebek back. He's dead. So go to our Discord, put your answer there, and we'll be back next week with Judgment. It is time for the extra, extra hot, great tiny Canon presenting this week is a tiny little Tara Ariano. Tara: [40:41] Hello. Toast of London is the surrealist story of Stephen Toast, Matt Berry, who also co-created the show with Arthur Matthews. Although Toast is barely making his way in London as an actor, most episodes' cold opens reveal that he has become Scramble Studios' go-to for voice-over gigs. Is it because of his sonorous instrument, or because the engineers, Danny Bear, Tim Downey, and Clem Fandango, Shahzad Latif, love to fuck with him? Why not both? Toast is not in a position to turn down work even when it is extremely demeaning, as in the third episode of the first season when he comes to a recording session, puts on his glasses, looks at his script, and sees that it consists of one word. Toast confirms with Danny that there isn't more to it, then gets to work. Let's hear the clip. Clip: [41:31] Yes. Hey Stephen, that was really good. Feeling is here that you could be a bit more positive. More positive? Yeah. You know, really go for it. You want me to go for it? Yeah. All right. Yes! Very, very good. Let's just try it without the scripts. Might just loosen you up a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it's what is it, one word? You don't really need it, do you? I probably don't need the script, it's just a word. Yeah. Okay, let's do it again. Yes that it? Yes. Right. Hi, Stephen. Yes. This is Clem Fandango. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you, Clem Fandango. Honestly, this is going so great, but I just think there was a little loss of energy in that last take. Maybe try one more. Okay, ready to go? What? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes Jesus Stephen what How would you feel about doing a no? Sarah: [43:07] No Well, and that's I was going to talk about that in my response, because this could also go in the Fondly familiar actor bullshit Tiny Cannon because there's so much that he is doing. Tara: [43:08] Here's why I think this should be in the cold open tiny canon. Just rapid fire. Number one, it's a great self-contained gag. Number two, goes on so long that it stops being funny, then comes back around again to be hilarious. Number three, the moment when Toast agrees with Danny Bear that he doesn't need a script and gives it one last quick peek. Number four, there's a Yes, I can hear you, Clem Fendango exchange. Crucial. Dave: [43:32] Yep. Tara: [43:32] And uh we'll link in the show notes to my Clem Fendango appreciation from last month. In the show notes. Number five, Toast really looks like he has caused himself physical distress with his many yeses. And six, there are no other ways to say the word yes than the ones in the cold open. He hits them all. So, should you vote this into the cold open tiny can? And I say, yes. Dave: [43:57] I got nothing to add. I mean, the only thing I was going to add is the little moment where he looks at the script one last time before he says yes for the third time. Sarah: [44:18] Like the way that he looks at the script, like he's holding it. Full arm's length ninety degrees to the side, and then turns his head to like peek at it, like just to sort of reassure himself about The stage directions, and like it's very, it's extremely actuary, but all done so that the mic doesn't pick up the page. Tara: [44:38] Yeah. Sarah: [44:38] Rustling. There's also a small like finger movement, like the Chatnerian sort of like finger twitching that he does early in the yes Sequence that is very actor bullshitty. Like, I understand that that is in fact the point of the show, but there are ways that this is just like a Documentary level observation of how certain actors actor that it's oh my god, it's so good, and then that final, like It's like the last sequence of fireworks on the 4th of July that they're just like, all right, send them all up. And he's like, yeah, it's so good. I laugh every time. It's extremely funny. I think we can vote. Dave: [45:23] Well, I still had more to say. I like this one a lot. My favorite is still via the nuclear weapons. Which I'm not sure is a cold open. Tara: [45:31] Yes. Dave: [45:32] It probably is. I'm going to consider this one a stand-in for all the studio cold opens because they're all really funny. But for my money, I'm going to put like very slight fire than nuclear weapons ahead of yes, but yes is hilarious. So, all right, Sarah D. Bunting, what say you for the tiny cold open cannon? Sarah: [45:52] Check script ninety degrees to my left. Yes It's like the Colo guard box, but in ESPN form. Dave: [45:55] All right, me too. So the yes, cold open from Toast of London. Tara: [45:57] Woo! Dave: [46:01] You are hereby inducted into the extra hot great tiny cold open cannon. Clip: [46:08] Americans love a winner. Yup. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave: [46:13] It is time to discover who are this week's not quite winners and not quite losers. I will have our first not quite winner. It is fans of first thought Janky Corell draw level mascots as ESPN's new everything app debuts the character App-E, like WALL-E. which is the company's distinctive E logo, but with like a cartoon eye and mouth on it, above the E, like a dentist's office window cling sticker. Tara: [46:44] It really is. Dave: [46:50] It is just like the mascot is their phone app icon with a dentist office face on it and arms and legs. Sarah: [46:50] Brutal. Tara: [46:57] Yeah, we'll link it in the show notes. Dave: [46:58] It's so bad. Tara: [46:59] Yeah. It's and he he looks like he knows it. The eyebrows are kind of tilting down like Yeah. Dave: [47:06] He looks like the kind of mascot that would beg for death if you met him in person. You know, please shoot me. Sarah: [47:11] Yeah, like clippy. Dave: [47:12] Yeah. Loser of the week is Saul Goodman. As Bob Odenkirk says, he is not getting out of prison, his character. So, hypothetical, better call Saul revival would have to take place in that prison. And while I don't think there's a series in that, I actually would tune in for an El Camino style movie of that. Just a slice of life. It could be real-time two hours of the prison life of Saul Goodman. Tara: [47:32] Mhm. Dave: [47:36] I'd watch that. Sarah: [47:36] Oh yeah. Dave: [47:37] It wouldn't betray the series, right? Tara: [47:39] Yeah. Dave: [47:39] Because it's just him in prison. It wouldn't have to be the larger world. Tara: [47:41] Yes. Mhm. Dave: [47:43] It is an opportunity for a whole new rogues gallery. Tara: [47:46] Yes. Dave: [47:47] Great. Tara: [47:47] And you know he's running scams in prison. Like, let's see what kind of cons he's doing. Dave: [47:50] Yeah. Sarah: [47:50] I was gonna say it's Ryan O'Reilly in there. Tara: [47:52] Yeah. Dave: [47:52] Yes. Tara: [47:52] Yeah. Yeah. Dave: [47:53] Mm-hmm. All right. Sarah Deunting, not quite winner of the week. Sarah: [47:57] Knockwhite winner is Ronan Bennett, who is the creator of Mob Land, aka Mobland, and the Day of the Jackal. Bennett has said. A near-future thriller series, Army of Shadows, which is a reimagining of the 1969 nice war movie of the same title. That's going to be at channel four, and I really think it would rule if they could cast Vincent Cassell somehow, since his pops was in the original. And Vincent rules anyway and should do more stuff. Dave: [48:26] Tara, I'm in your business if it's momentary business. Tara: [48:31] Oh no, I forget it. Dave: [48:33] I'm in your thank you. That's for you, mob land people. All right, sorry about that, Sarah. Tara: [48:39] The first time I did that along with the song, Dave laughed so much. It was very gratifying. Clip: [48:44] I'm gon' hit your business if it's moments every business. I'm gon' hit your business if this moment is good. Sarah: [48:54] My not quite loser is Spike Lee's Colin Kaepernick doc. It was canceled at ESPN over creative differences. And this was less than two weeks after the NFL took a ten percent ownership stake in the channel. Clearly, the money that they saved was not funneled into the new Appy mascot, but I was really looking forward to this project, and it sounds like maybe it's not totally ESPN trying to get the NFL. Deal past regulatory rubber stamping by pre-sanding off any possible DEI edges. Although it's Mostly that, but it sounds like Cat and Spikely were just like kind of, I don't know, Margolis and Punjabi, like. As of last year, I think Kaepernick was not totally cool with the series Irising Out to look at larger issues. He wanted Eyes on him, which, like, I sort of get it, but also, I don't know, don't let that get out if you want people to stay behind the project. I don't know, it's a shame the reasoning is gross, no matter what the reasoning is separately or together. So, yeah, I hope it ends up somewhere else so we can watch it. It's done, apparently. Just not going to be on ESPN. Tara. Tara: [50:06] I'm going to flip my order this week. My not quite loser of the week, he's back, Bob Odenkirk, but he is calling out the loser, which is Saturday Night Live in a recent interview. Odenkirk says, senior staffers would frequently shut down ideas from young writers, which Odenkirk reacted to by intentionally fostering an atmosphere of creative freedom on Mr. Show. And like It's just one of the many reasons where, like, I get so tired of the discourse of who's going to replace Lauren Michaels. Like, first of all, no one. And second of all, like, maybe the show should Stop whenever he retires or dies. Sarah: [50:36] Yeah. Tara: [50:36] Like, I know it's an institution, but a lot of institutions should end or rewrite the rules. Dave: [50:41] Or rewrite the rules. Like, have a new showrunner. It's like, you know what? I'm not going to be giant cock all the time. Tara: [50:49] Well, Showrunner That's Not a Giant Cock doesn't have to be live. Dave: [50:49] Why not? Live your life. Yeah. Tara: [50:54] Make it a half hour so that you can actually have A correct amount of sketches that are good instead of like the best episode possible is two-thirds good, you know. Dave: [50:56] Right. Yeah. Tara: [51:04] Like, this is what you see when these people move on to do their own sketch shows. If you have time to actually polish what you're doing, it's better or that. Dave: [51:12] And make it also a reality show where one cast member gets ejected from the show every week. Sarah: [51:13] Yeah Yeah, like actually ejected with a trebuchet, like they open a big bay window in the side of 30 Rock and whamp, like just into a neighboring office building. Tara: [51:24] Hmm. Dave: [51:26] Oh, it's the uh it's the French meta main scenario. Tara: [51:29] Yeah. Yes, exactly. Dave: [51:31] They just pew. Sarah: [51:31] Yeah, just a little bit of a message. Tara: [51:34] My not quite winner of the week is Craig Mason, who may finally hook his Last of Us guest star Joe Pantaliano up with HBO. which Pantaleano has never had said in an interview they didn't give it to him when he was on the Sopranos. So the reason I wanted to put this last Is I put it to both of you, if this happens, what show is Joe Pantaliano going to be most excited to experience for the very first time? Uh-huh. Dave: [52:06] Dream on. Sarah: [52:08] Uh America Undercover. Dave: [52:12] What was a football one we watched? Tara: [52:13] Oh, first and ten? Dave: [52:15] First and ten. Tara: [52:15] That's not even on HBO anymore. It's on like Roku or Tubi or something. Sarah: [52:19] Oh, God. Yeah. Dave: [52:20] But also, buy your own fucking HBO Joey pants. Tara: [52:23] Well, maybe he doesn't care. Dave: [52:23] Jesus. Tara: [52:24] Maybe he doesn't watch T V. Dave: [52:25] Maybe he doesn't care. That's true. But also, HBO can't give you HBO. You have to go through your cables. Tara: [52:30] Why not? No, you don't. Now you don't. Dave: [52:32] Well, now you don't, but back then you had to. Tara: [52:33] You can just sure. Dave: [52:35] HBO time, there is no HBO now. Tara: [52:37] You're right. Dave: [52:37] So we're done. Tara: [52:38] Yeah, we're done. Dave: [52:39] All right, fuck off, Joey Pants. Sarah: [52:42] Jesus. Tara: [52:45] Oh my God. Dave: [52:46] I felt the need to have a button. Tara: [52:46] He's outside the house. Sarah: [52:47] So so bloodthirsty in here today. Tara: [52:47] How somehow he heard you. Sarah: [52:52] Fuck. Tara: [52:56] We welcome in grandpas. Dave: [52:57] Hi. Tara: [52:58] Hello, uh, you Missed some real, some real barn burners this week. Sarah: [53:00] Dropped it. Tara: [53:06] We are yelling at Joey Dance. You'll never know why until you kick up your pledge to the $5 level. Dave: [53:12] He didn't deserve it, but he got it. Tara: [53:14] He did. As we're recording this, we truly are between our Patreon and Apple podcasts. And again, as you know, because we say it every month, it drops down at the end of the month. We are literally $5 away from hitting the next goal. So if two of you cross over with a dollar to spare, we will hit that goal. Dave: [53:28] Two with dollar to spare. Tara: [53:33] So go to extra hot cock. Go to extra. Dave: [53:36] Go to what? Go to what? Tara: [53:38] Oh, and I was going to just do a clean, and then you had to call me out, you bitch. Dave: [53:42] So our new sideline project is already making more money than extra hot crate. Tara: [53:45] Go to extra cock. No, go to extra hot great. com/slash club. Sarah: [53:52] No Yes. Tara: [53:52] To edit your membership and push us over the line. Today's extra credit topic comes Today's extra credit topic comes Two days. Dave: [53:59] It's just about how it's just a strategy guide to get more chicken for your money. I think we lost Sarah. Sarah: [54:14] Yes. Okay. Dave: [54:16] Yeah, yeah. Tara: [54:16] Extra credit topic comes to us from Mike Seifert. Dave: [54:21] No, Tara, I just want to the word concords is coming up, so I just wanted you to prepare for it. Tara: [54:26] Oh, okay, I'm sorry. Mr. Malaprov is suddenly the Diction Police. Jesus Christ. What's the name of the character who mumbles on King of the Hill all the time? Dave, was it Boomhauser? Grandpas, you can hear that came up earlier if you kick up your pledge. We're doing a Flight of the Concords power rankings today. Sarah: [54:48] Oh, God. Tara: [54:49] Mike Seifert writes: It's been the better part of two decades since Flight of the Concord debuted. I was horrified when I read that, but it's true. Where have the careers of the cast gone since then? Do a power ranking of the actors. And he originally had also included Arch Barker and Frank Wood, who are in the most of the series episodes. I axe those because. Dave: [55:10] Why do them the disservice of automatically putting them both tied for last? Tara: [55:14] That's the thing. Arch Barker is a stand-up mostly. Dave: [55:15] Yeah. Sarah: [55:15] Yeah. Tara: [55:16] He's not really an actor. And Frank Wood is certainly prolific, but he's like definitely such a character actor that I did not even know his name. And if I don't know his name, sorry. He's like. Should not be on a power ranking. So we are going to rank Jermaine Clement, David Costabiel, Rhys Darby, Brett McKenzie, Eugene Merman, Kristen Schall, and Dave's edition: The Nation of New Zealand. So let's go down the list. Let's start with Jermaine Clement. Dave, why don't you go first? Dave: [55:47] All right. Tara: [55:47] How did you rank Jermaine? Dave: [55:48] So out of seven, I put him third. And I will say that my second, third, and fourth was a real crapshoot. I thought it was very tight for me there. So actually, a lot of this cast is not in as many things as I thought they were. I just hear them all the time because they were like always doing voiceover work or. Sarah: [56:07] Hmm, yeah. Dave: [56:07] You know, like production work or teaming up, partnering with so-and-so. And Clement is one of those that is just chock full of voice acting and not a ton of stuff. In front of the camera, and I was sort of surprised because I thought, oh, he's probably number one. I feel like he is the one that broke out of Flight of the Concords and is into most stuff, but he's actually not in that much. It's just that what he's in, I really remember him being in, like what we do in the shadows. He had that really weird role in Legion. And so I put him third, but he could have been second, he could have been fourth. Tara: [56:41] I'll go next. I did have him second for six points. I would say he has to be in the top half of the ranking as one of the titular Concords, who, by the way, it just came out that Brett says the band is going to tour again soon. We'll link that in the show notes too. To Dave's point, he has voiced a lot of characters, most notably in Moana and its sequel. He was also a voice in the Minecraft movie. So he's in like some of the biggest films there are. You just don't see him. But he also has juice as a producer. It's just basically all Tycho IT D projects. He was in the Time Bandits sequel or remake that was on Apple last year and was in it as well. So I think he still probably can get things made, but I I would not rank him First, so I have him at six points. Sarah: [57:24] My rankings are maybe going to look a little different because I have never watched a frame of Flight of the Concords and probably am not going to start. Sorry, folks. I'm sure it was great. More for you. Dave: [57:34] It was good for the time, but we did rewatch a few years ago. Tara: [57:37] It petered out. Dave: [57:38] It kind of half holds up. Yeah. Tara: [57:41] It got a little depressing. The characters are really poor, and like a lot of the episodes are about being. Broke. It's like, that's not what I want to watch in a binge format, really. Proceed. Sarah: [57:51] Fair. Jermaine Clement was my number six for two points, but he has done a ton of voice work. A lot of it I have heard of. I don't care for Rick and Morty, but you gotta love a Rick and Morty credit that is fart, parenthesis, voice. Because, sure. And that's how that reads on IMDb. And this person named a child Sophocles, but had a legitimate familial reason for doing so, which, you know, may have kept him out of last place. Tara: [58:20] Next, David Costabile or Costabile. I have no idea how to say his name. Dave: [58:25] Yeah, it's definitely Castabole. Tara: [58:26] Well, I don't know. Dave: [58:27] Cockstabale. Sarah: [58:29] It could be Mirabile if you were, you know, ancient Roman. Dave: [58:33] Poor Gail. I've seen him a lot recently. I feel like he's sort of had a resurgence. You know, he is a character actor. You always know his face, but not his name. So he is definitely a hey, it's that guy. of the twenty tens and twenty twenties. I feel like he is rising in the ranks. I put him at fifth, right below my cluster of I don't know, they're all equals. I feel like let's give him a year or two, and I think he might be even higher. But now I'm putting him fifth. We'll revisit the year. Brackets won't, and we'll see where he is. Tara: [59:06] Yeah, he is absolutely a character actor of them. Big roles on Billions and Breaking Bad were both post-his time on Flight of the Concords. Dave: [59:14] And we just saw him on something. Like, I just saw him on T V something Oh, every year with the low winter sun. Sarah: [59:16] He was on suits for a while. Tara: [59:18] He was j yeah, he was in Suits LA, but I don't think we watched that one. Sarah: [59:19] Low Winter Sun rewatch? Was it that? Yeah. Tara: [59:26] He's going to be in the Hershey business bio movie, which I have already said needs to include confirmation that the person who made the company put special dark and all the assortments died and went to hell. I'm sure David Costa Beale does fine, but when you pop up in a cameo-style ad for Royal match that I get served when I'm playing Ball Sort Watercolor Puzzle, I know you could be doing better. Dave: [59:44] Oh no. Tara: [59:48] So I have ranked him sixth. For two points. Dave: [59:50] All right. Tara: [59:50] So we were once again close. Sarah. Sarah: [59:53] In the late days of Fame Tracker, I would have pitched him and our friend of the podcast, Rob Nagel, for a two non-stars yet, one slot. Costa Beel, I think, is definitely has more juice for me than most of these other people. He was towards the top for a while for me, but ended up at number three. So I guess that's five points. Tara: [1:00:13] Fire points. Sarah: [1:00:15] Breaking Bad, like that's a memorable character, him and his Birkenstocks and his untimely demise. Spoiler. I think he's very good and reliable and has a certain look. And I hope that he and Rob Nagel never have to fight with knives, because I do think it it is a very similar look and vibe that they have. But uh if you're a Showtime subscriber, you definitely think Costa Beale ranks the highest here. And if Like most people, you aren't. You're like, who? Tara: [1:00:43] Next, Rhys Darby, Dave. Dave: [1:00:45] Wreath Darby is my number two. He is the top of the cluster because I think he's just getting a lot of good work recently, and I think he is much more in people's faces. And people know who he is now. He may even know his name, and just not that guy from what we do in the shadows. So I put him second. You know, we had a great run on our Flag means death. I think that really put him in a lot of people's minds in America at least. And I put him in front of Clement just because he's in front of the camera more. Like they all have very distinct voices in this whole cast. Because they're so strange and exotic here in North America. They get a lot of voice work, but he's also doing a lot of great stuff in front of the camera. So, number two. Tara: [1:01:28] All right. We're close once again. I have him number three for five points. He has gotten to the fun cameo phase of his career. We just saw him in Star Trek's Strange New Worlds as Q's son, R, as I called him. Dave: [1:01:37] Mm-hmm are I put him sixth. Tara: [1:01:42] He was in the night court sequel. So he's like at that level where it's, you know, kind of a fun thing for him to pop up because even if you don't know his name, you know his face. Very prolific voice actor, also, like you said. Our flag means death probably didn't do as much for him as he might have wanted, but it made him a queer fave. That's never bad. And I feel like I don't go a month without seeing or hearing him. So yeah, he's he's around. But I just put him lower than Jermaine because I don't think he's like doing as much producing. So in terms of power, I would just give him that smaller ranking. Sarah. Sarah: [1:02:13] Number five, three points ahead of Clement, but ahead because of doing more in front of the camera stuff. So, yeah. And our flag means death was significant. He was also in a bunch of hot in Clevelands, I think. He was in the X-Files reboot. I think he's pretty close to being someone who you say the name and people can associate the face without having to IMDb it. Tara: [1:02:36] All right, Brett McKenzie, Dave. Okay. Dave: [1:02:39] I know he's a lead of the show, but we're not talking about the show, we're talking about his post stuff, and most of his post stuff has been music writing. At least that's what he's known for. And I am giving him demerit points for being involved. And what I'm saying is that terrible Muppets reboot movie. Tara: [1:02:53] It was terrible. Dave: [1:02:54] I know everybody at the town was like, oh, the Muppets are back. And I think time has proven me right. The Muppets were not back. Tara: [1:03:00] Yeah, I don't think they were. Dave: [1:03:02] No. Tara: [1:03:02] But yes, I agree with you. I think six is fine. I had him fourth, barely squeaking into the top half. Uh, fourth with four points. He did, as Dave said, had a sideline writing on Muppets projects, but two of them, not just the one with Jason Siegel. But, you know, he seems to have dropped those or been dropped from them. He's around. He's not in stuff I really see. This is entirely based on vibes. I feel like he doesn't work because he doesn't want to, and I respect that. So that's why I put him in the middle. Sarah. Sarah: [1:03:31] I mean, he works. He makes albums with inspirations by Steely Dan, and that's enough for seventh place for this guy. One point. Tara: [1:03:42] Next, we have Eugene Merman, Dave. Dave: [1:03:46] Eugen gets on his knees every day and thanks God that he was a fuzzy comic at the time that they were casting Voices for Bob's Burgers. Tara: [1:03:56] Yep. Dave: [1:03:57] Because that's what Eugene did. He's Gene from Bob's Burgers. I never found his comedy all that funny. And he was just sort of like the sensation in the indie comic sphere at the time. He got the gig. And he's been doing that for years, and you know, he's getting paid very well because that show's gone on forever, and he is a lead character. Tara: [1:04:17] I I'm I hope so. Dave: [1:04:19] Well, I mean, let's look at the Simpsons and places like that. I know the landscape is different now, but EPDB is getting paid a quarter of what The Simpsons get. Tara: [1:04:22] Yeah. You're right. Dave: [1:04:27] I know how much that is. Tara: [1:04:28] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:04:28] He's getting like $25,000 an episode minimum. And that's probably, you know, he's got agents. Sarah: [1:04:33] Hmm. Dave: [1:04:35] So I'm going to guess he's doing well. Sarah: [1:04:35] Yep. Dave: [1:04:37] But like as far as juice goes, that's all he's got in his resume these days. So I'm going to put him last. Tara: [1:04:43] I also put him last. I trust they're taking good care of him on Bob's Burgers. I hope they are. I know he still lives in New York, so he's got a pretty sweet setup with the job. You know, it's not like they made him move out to LA. Dave: [1:04:54] He's good as Gene. Tara: [1:04:56] He is good as Gene. Dave: [1:04:56] I mean, Gene's a really fun character. Tara: [1:04:58] Yeah. Dave: [1:04:58] I know I've already said what I think about Gene as far as the structure of the show goes. Tara: [1:05:01] Mhm. Mhm. Dave: [1:05:03] I won't go into that again, but I think he's really great in that role. Tara: [1:05:05] Yeah. Yes. I think he is mostly doing stand-up, which is a nice life. Not one that gets you a lot of power, which is what we're supposed to be ranking here, unless you're Shane Gillis, I guess. And I'll also. Give them credit for being not one of the comedians just announced for the Riyadh Comedy Festival because I respect that. Dave: [1:05:22] Oh yikes The Riyadh Comedy and Golf Festival Christian Schaul is my right in the middle. Tara: [1:05:23] That was a rough thing to learn about some people you formerly thought were cool. Exactly, Sarah. Sarah: [1:05:34] I put him right in the middle, fourth, four points, because of Bob's Burgers, and for the reasons that Dave stated, like Whether he's getting down on his knees thanking God, or whether that was just an extremely savvy, like, this was one of those late aughts adult swim Shows or like Comedy Central after midnight shows. Like, remember, Delocated? And when I was running the rehearsal space with my brother, Dave Jr. , we had to be there at like Six in the morning, so they could film people being thrown up against the iron grate outside the studio. And we got like three grand to just stand next to an off-duty cop and be there. It was pretty amazing. As far as I know, he was nice to staff and crew. So, but there was a whole world, an ecosystem of comedians and writers with that kind of show at that time. Time. Some people leveraged it correctly and got out, and some people are opening for an insurance convention. Not that there's not money in that, but He seems to have had a pretty good idea of how to swing to the next vine lucratively. So, right. And I, you know, I recognize the name, which is not something I can say about some of these. So, yeah, right in the middle. Tara: [1:06:49] All right, Kristen Shawl, Dave. Dave: [1:06:54] She is the lowest of my cluster of She is everywhere, it seems, at all times in the sort of four-quadrant comedy sphere. Tara: [1:06:54] Oh. Dave: [1:07:05] You know, she is a voice on Bob's Burger. She was. Unfortunately, in a lot of what we do in the shadows, the TV series. So she's still getting work. She's been working forever. I feel like she was 19 when I first noticed her, and now she's 82, and she's been working steadily ever since. I think she is still very popular with casting agents, and a lot of it is voice work, just like everybody else on this list. But she has such a distinctive voice that you always know it's her. So I think that really helps her get gum on gum work. It's like, well, who do we know? that's got that kind of voice. It's just like having a unique face. She's the Anya Taylor joy of annoying voices. Tara: [1:07:48] Okay, so in the middle means four. Dave: [1:07:49] Rick. Fourth place. Tara: [1:07:50] Four for four points. Okay, I ranked her first. I for me, of everyone on this list, The one I think most normal people would be able to identify by name or at least one credit is her. Dave: [1:08:01] I think that's right. Tara: [1:08:03] She ranges from very mainstream stuff like Bob's Burgers to more comedy nerds. Dave: [1:08:03] Yep. Tara: [1:08:07] Stuff like what we do in the shadows and Last Man on Earth. And she still does stand-up, I think, sometimes with Kurt Bronller, which is also very weird and unique. Probably tied with Jermaine for most able to get a project made by attaching herself to it. So, that's in terms of power rankings for me that puts her first. So, seven points for her. Sarah. Sarah: [1:08:29] I put her in second, six points. Ea, you know, Bob's Burgers or flag means death. Big Mouth, Bojack Horseman. Gravity Falls, she's in the 30 Rockiverse. She's in the extended toy story verse. I think that she does have Juice. I think this is a question for like if you do it as a reasonable person recognizability quotient question, she's ranking very high. So that seemed to make the most sense. Dave: [1:08:56] She was also not my favorite part of 30 Rock, speaking about inserting her into established sitcoms. Tara: [1:09:00] No, God, no. Agree. Actually, she cameoed on in just like that in the final season. She was really good because it was very different from what she normally does. So I appreciate that she's trying to stretch. All right, finally, we have the nation of New Zealand. Dave, this was your edition, so let's hear what you got. Dave: [1:09:16] Yeah. So you think more people know the name Christian Shawl than know the name New Zealand? Tara: [1:09:23] Okay, fine. Yes, you're right. Dave: [1:09:26] New Zealand is my number one. Tara: [1:09:28] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:09:28] And I feel like this was right in the sweet spot of the rise of, oh, New Zealand, what a cute little country that is. It's nothing like Australia. I thought it was exactly like Australia, but they do speak slightly different. And they have the hobbits, I hear, and they solved COVID, and they're doing all these great things now. Tara: [1:09:42] Uh-huh. Yep. Dave: [1:09:48] Great, great for New Zealand. So I feel like Flight of the Concords, having invented New Zealand. Tara: [1:09:50] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:09:55] New Zealand owes them their thanks because really New Zealand is my number one. Tara: [1:09:59] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:10:00] It is the greatest character to come out of Flight of the Concords, and they're doing good work to this day. Tara: [1:10:06] And shout out to the posters for New Zealand that were in the show that were so funny. Dave: [1:10:08] That's right, in the show. Yep. Tara: [1:10:11] All right. I ranked it fifth for three points. It'll always have the Lord of the Rings juice. Sarah: [1:10:17] International incident. Tara: [1:10:19] We all love just send our Ardern for a hot second. Dave: [1:10:21] Tar is the type that leaves New Zealand off the maps when they draw them. Tara: [1:10:26] Taskmaster New Zealand season two is the single best season of any non-British Taskmaster I have seen. And so I think it gets credit for that as well. But I'm still, you know, it's in the middle for me in terms of its power on the global stage, I guess. Dave: [1:10:39] If you had a free ticket to New Zealand, would you go? Tara: [1:10:43] Yeah, of course. Dave: [1:10:44] Keep in mind it's like a twenty day flight. Tara: [1:10:46] Well, if it's a free ticket, I hope it's in first, and then I would. Dave: [1:10:49] I didn't say that. Tara: [1:10:50] Okay, well then I would have to think about it. Dave: [1:10:52] Okay. Tara: [1:10:53] Sarah. Sarah: [1:10:55] Yep, number one, seven points. Tara: [1:10:56] Wow. Sarah: [1:10:57] It made Phil of the Amazing Race. It's the Synecdoche for its executive branch of the government is Delightful, like here we say White House, and in Britain they say, I don't know, the Crown, Downing Street. Their executive wing, the building looks like a beehive, so it's called Beehive, which is fucking cool. Their current prime minister Luxon, I think. At first glance, they're like, oh, you know, very socially conservative and probably really baggy. And he's like a pinko compared to Democrats here in the States. I disappeared down a rabbit hole of this unsolved mystery in New Zealand involving a guy named Tom Phillips who went bush, as they say, took Three of his kids went bush. Like they send the cops out looking for him. He rolls into his sister's farm like a week after that. And then he is charged with wasting police time and resources. At which time he vanishes again. And now it's a criminal case. And since he can't come out of the bush now, because there's an outstanding warrant for his arrest, now he's allegedly robbing banks and shit. This story is like: there's outback bank robberies. There's after contact with a band of teenage pig hunters, is a sentence that was in The Guardian that I was like, okay, New Zealand is like. This is perfect true crime for our times. Dave: [1:12:21] This became a New Zealand True Crime podcast so slowly nobody noticed. Sarah: [1:12:26] New Zealand for compelling true crime narrative, your number one. Dave: [1:12:29] All right, let's hear the final tallies, please. Tara: [1:12:32] All right. In last place with six points, Eugene Merman. In sixth place with seven points, Britt McKenzie. In fifth place with 10 points, David pronunciation of last name unknown Gustabile in fourth place with 13 points. Dave: [1:12:48] Constabelle Oh, what an honor. Sarah: [1:12:50] Costabile Well, oh, my God. Tara: [1:12:54] Jermaine Clement in third place with 14 points. Rhys Darby and Tide for first place. Kristen Schall and the nation of New Zealand. Dave: [1:13:05] Wow. What an equivalency. Congratulations to her. Tara: [1:13:11] It's a real celebrity versus thing matchup there. Kristen Schall versus New Zealand. Sarah: [1:13:15] Please convene the G seven and let's try to figure this out. Tara: [1:13:19] I mean, I think that should be our next ask EHG question. Chris DeChaw versus New Zealand, who wins? Dave: [1:13:25] And why. Well, that is it for another episode of Extra, Extra Hot Great. This month's saltwater foresting pool saw us revisiting East Peck in the short-lived trial and error before answering your burning ask EAG questions like Who is in your King of the Hill live action remake? And which T V roommate do you evict? We all said. Clip: [1:13:53] Yes. Dave: [1:13:54] To Tara's tiny cold open cannon, we celebrated those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week, and wrap it all up with a very surprising tie in the Flight of the Concord's power ranking. Next up on EHG Prime, we'll be talking about long story short. Remember. Clip: [1:14:14] We're listening. Dave: [1:14:17] I am David T. Cole and on behalf of Tara Ariano and Sarah D. Tara: [1:14:21] Yes, yes. Dave: [1:14:23] Bunting. Sarah: [1:14:24] Who will fight and see? Dave: [1:14:28] Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra, Extra Awkward. Clip: [1:14:43] The espec lady laws of 1952 were way ahead of their time. For example, a woman is not allowed to publicly judge another woman. Also, a female cannot drive a vehicle without a male. man with a red flag in front warning other drivers. The lady laws are for women, about women. This is Extra Hot Great Minis. Today's topic is World's Bitchiest Genie. Hello. Today's mini is brought to you by me. I have decided to task the group with the following question: You are gifted. By the world's bitchiest genie with the power to decree that one individual never wins an Emmy or another Emmy for the rest of their life. Choose strategically, choose wisely. Tara, you begin. Oh, this was so easy for me. The only thing I had to check was just to confirm that she actually had one, and in fact, she has one. Oh, I know. She has one too! So I am going to gift this to six-time nominee, two-time winner for the role of Claire Dunphy, Julie motherfucking Bowen will never step foot on that stage, ever, ever. Ever again. Mark. You know, mine is going to someone who I actually love, but I just feel with six Emmys she's done enough, and that's Julia Louis Dreyfus. I think she's great, but I think it's time to let someone else get up there. Fair enough. Well, Um, this was a tough one because there were a bunch of people that I would like to that I wanted to say, but then I was like, you know what, I don't actually hate this actor. I just Like this role is driving me crazy, or this show shouldn't be. And dodo smash. Anyway, so I wanted to say Jim Parsons, but I really only feel that way about his winning for Sheldon on Big Bang Theory. His delivery of Come On Blanche in the Normal Heart was everything, and it should be my ringtone, actually. Yeah, good point. So, I just need that garbage time show to get canceled today. Since that is not happening, Patricia Heaton, bye. I just say your face. So I had my original pick for this. I had Julie Bowen, sort of like. Circled and with a box around the circle. And then I realized that there's no way Tara's not picking Julie Bowen. You need to find a backup. So I did. He's already won, I believe, one Emmy. And every time he does some dumb little Netflix show, they nominate him. For best actor in a comedy, because those pick-ins tend to be slim, just to play it safe, just so Derek doesn't end up winning an Emmy. Ricky Gervais, you shall never win an Emmy. So smart. If I have anything to say about it, good call. Basketball Basketball