Does Dying For Sex Come Correct?

Dave: [0:10] This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 557 for the week of April 7th, 2025. I am Budget House brand diet soda, David T. Cole, and I'm here with random ass girlfriend, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [0:28] No, I am random. Dave: [0:30] First Judge Tara Ariano. Tara: [0:32] Are there two separate crumb cakes in there. Dave: [0:35] And dildo purchaser, Katey Rich. Katey: [0:37] This one is good for orbiting. Dave: [0:44] Coming hot out of the gate with dildo purchaser. Katey: [0:49] You guys invited me on. I didn't make any promises about how classy I'd be. Sarah: [0:54] And there's no segue into site business. But anyway, hello. Welcome to another week of Extra Hot Crate before we get into our show and meet our guest. Just a reminder, in these times of economic uncertainty, if you are concerned about your Patreon membership or can't really make room for one in your budget right now but would like to look into that, we have the Extra Hot Crate Mutual Aid Vault. You are able to make deposits and withdrawals in this vault, completely anonymous. All you have to do is get in touch with me. I am at bunting, B-U-N-T-I-N-G, at tomatonation.com. Just reach out with any questions, but we would love to keep the community going and help out if you're thinking about leaving for fiscal uncertainty reasons that may not be necessary. So again, BuntingAtTomatoNation.com, reach out, and let's all stay together. Tara, hit it. Tara: [1:44] Thank you so much. Our guest, you have heard and read at the Angler as the awards editor. She's the host of the podcast, Prestige Junkie and Fighting in the War Room. For the first time here, it's Katie Rich. Dave: [1:57] Welcome, Katie. Sarah: [1:58] Katie. Katey: [1:59] Yes. I cannot believe this is the first time because I had been listening to you guys like way, way back in some early days. So in my head, I was on the show like 2012. Dave: [2:08] Yeah. Katey: [2:08] But it turns out it had to take till now. Dave: [2:09] It's been a long time coming. Once in a while, we're like, we should get Katie Rich on. And it's like, well, Dave, it's Oscar season. That's pretty dumb. Katey: [2:16] Notara has tried so hard to keep being like, I'm sorry, I cannot watch television. But now I'm doing nothing but watching television. Tara: [2:23] Yes. And we picked you to come on for a show I was pretty sure you were going to watch already for professional reasons. And that show is Dying for Sex, in which while Molly, Michelle Williams, was being treated for breast cancer, her husband, Steve, Jay Duplass, derived a lot of his identity from being her caregiver. Cancer didn't kill her, but it did kill their sex life. So they're in therapy talking about it when Molly gets a call telling her that the pain in her hip is a recurrence of her cancer, metastasized to her bones. When Molly finds out that there's probably no coming back from this one, she sets herself the goal of having an orgasm with another person, which she never has done before, before she dies. She also decides she doesn't want to die with Steve. She wants to die with her best friend Nikki, Jenny Slate. So Molly leaves Steve and starts having lots of different kinds of sex to figure out what she actually likes. Her neighbor across the hall is played by Rob Delaney, which turns out to be very useful in her investigation. The show is adapted from the podcast of the same name by Kim Rosenstock, formerly of New Girl, and more importantly, Glow, and by Elizabeth Merriweather, creator of New Girl. All eight episodes dropped on Hulu under the FX banner on April 4th. We may talk about events from any of them. Let's do the Chen check-in, Katie, should our listeners watch Dying for Sex. Katey: [3:40] I want people to watch it so badly. I will come visit your house and set up your Hulu if you need to, because I have been texting people all day telling them how much they need to watch this show. Tara: [3:50] Okay, Sarah. Sarah: [3:51] To my surprise, since I thought, oh, Vulture sex diary on TV, I don't need that in my life. This is really wonderful for reasons that I'll get into. So yes, you should watch it. Tara: [4:01] Dave. Dave: [4:01] Sure, but it should have been called Sex Olympics. Tara: [4:06] Okay, well, with that caveat, I'm going to say yes as well. Let's start with something stupid. Michelle Williams, of course, looms large for Sarah and me as a star of Dawson's Creek, without whom we might have never gotten into business together. But Katie, as a resident of North Carolina where Dawson's Creek was filmed, please tell us how important those stars are as cultural figures in the States. Because in my mind, they're like Anne of Green Gables on Prince Edward Island. Katey: [4:31] I do think that there is a there's a looming large thing of Dawson's Creek. If you go to like the studio in Wilmington where they filmed it, there's like paintings of them up on up on the wall. And then North Carolina messed up his whole film production thing. But my weird secret is I grew up in South Carolina in a town where we didn't have the WB. And so Dawson's Creek kind of missed me. Like when I was in the target audience for it, we just didn't have it. And this was before you could just look it up there. Michelle Williams has meant a lot to me many times since then. But the Dawson's Creek of it, like, do you feel like that makes you even more of a ride or die for Michelle Williams than the rest of us are? Tara: [5:05] Yeah, kind of. Every time she's been so successful, of course, that every time she has another win, I'm like, oh, there she goes. Like, I do feel protective of her in a weird way. Sarah, what are you feeling? Sarah: [5:16] Yeah same i mean i will also say that she has been in a lot of roles and especially back in my oscars death racing days it just seemed like there were a lot of roles that were like sort of like this like she had the short hair and it was prestigy and everyone was kind of chapped and, dysfunctional and there was a lot of like occluded crying and that is kind of what i expected from this you're. Katey: [5:42] Thinking blue valentine not. Sarah: [5:43] Yeah it's like exactly this is a good performance that is not for me like oh she's playing marilyn and eddie redmayne is at half mast for 90 minutes like i don't care, This is different. It's like all the same tools that she's been using all along because she is good at this and actually is a recognizable, like not completely gray skies performance and story. So, yeah. Dave: [6:09] Isn't it also nice, though, that the two big teen shows, Dawson's Creek and Beverly Hills Night at 2-0, each have the one actor that went on to do Oscar worthy things that wasn't one of the people getting all the attention at the time? Tara: [6:23] Yeah. Dave: [6:23] I think there's a lot of later career jealousy going on between those groups that I enjoy for some reason, being a very small person. Tara: [6:32] Yeah, I don't know. I bet there's some 90210 stars that forget they ever worked with Hilary Swank. Perhaps. Because she was not there that long. Dave: [6:38] Well, she reminds them every once in a while when she gets one of them in the juicier words. Katey: [6:42] That's true. Tara: [6:43] But yeah, Sarah, I know you were not excited about this, as you said. But to me, once I started watching it, I was like, she's going to hook into this because it's like walking and talking. Like it's a sex story, but it's also a friend story. Sarah: [6:54] That is exactly it. That it was like just 15 or 20 years later, like that, you know, I can't stop smelling this sponge. Okay, bye. But like in person, like that conversation that they're having about like how her boob is like warm tea, you know, the actressy like hollering in the parking lot. And then eventually they're just like, oh, and then they just like run off. I don't know. It just felt much more lived in than female friendships that you usually see. Tara: [7:20] Yeah. Sarah: [7:21] On tv and comes from a place of like understanding the that sometimes physical boundaries are like not what writing would have you believe like i went to girl school for 12 years and you're just sometimes like in a pile of each other and that was that except they're you know in their 40s they're approaching middle age so that was like oh okay this seat this feels very familiar and correct. And there's also the fact that not everything is wailing with tears every minute, even in a terminal situation. And so I thought that that ear for how life is just lived, even by people who are at the end of the living part, was really good and not so proud of itself that it was like, let me stand back from the scene and. Tara: [8:10] Smell it like it. Sarah: [8:12] Was just really direct it felt real. Tara: [8:14] Katie you're nodding what did you think about all those aspects. Katey: [8:17] I was thinking with the lived-in aspect of it it was less about the physical affection between them but the like details about somebody's life that like kind of makes its way into yours i think it's in the second episode where jenny slate's got this enormous bag that she's carrying her eyes got all of her shit in it and michelle williams is like mad that she lost something she's like i hate your bag you need to clean your bag i've always hated your bag and there's so much history in that and it's such a little detail and the show is just completely full of that, of the ways that they know each other. And then the ways that Jenny Slate's character, Nikki, kind of like puts her life on hold to be there for her, but in like weird, chaotic ways and not always knowing the right thing to do, but not always making a big deal about not knowing the right thing to do. Like one of her great acts of service is when later in the show, when Michelle Williams' character is in the hospital and immobilized, like performing scenes from Clueless for her in her hospital bed. And like how much affection comes out from that, Like the way that the comedy and the tragedy just go hand in hand through every single scene of the show. It's not like it starts off funny and gets really sad toward the end. Like, obviously, there's sadness built into this story. But like through the very final moments of it, it's like this wistful, like, so glad these people are in each other's lives, but so sad that it has to get to this point. And like that total balancing act is such a miracle. Like there's so many things that I have watched. I mean, honestly, I was thinking of the White Lotus and the way that it balances like comedy and tragedy. They're going for different things, but like the effortlessness of the way that dying for sex pulls that off, I just continue to kind of be in awe of. Tara: [9:41] Yeah. I mean, to your point about the tone staying sort of up and down right to the end, when you cast as your hospice nurse, Paula Pell, you're doing a thing. Katey: [9:50] Oh, my God. That's so good. Tara: [9:52] And it's wonderful to see. Katey: [9:54] Or even David Rash early on. Like, you see him and you're like, why is he playing the doctor? Because he's this buttoned up. And, like, he never, like, cuts loose. It's not a comic performance, but his ability to have comic timing matters so much as that show goes on. Tara: [10:07] Yeah, absolutely. When there are so many annoying think pieces about the sex negativity of Gen Z, there's a danger that a show like this, which is very heavily about sex, including in the title, could feel like an annoying counter think piece. Did anyone feel like that, that it was more of a philosophical essay, but or just the human dramedy that rang true to you, Katie? Katey: [10:29] I mean, I just feel like it was so not about like what sex is and shouldn't be, but like it's such a personal thing. It's about this character, Molly, kind of like looking at, you know, the scene with Robbie Hoffman, who I now only know as as being married to Gabby from The Traitors, but is apparently a popular comedian also. And her saying, like, this is what I want. And like pursuing the thing that you want without shame, without like a sense of caring what anybody else wants. I mean, you get into all like pee play and like a guy dressed up as a dog and all of this really out there stuff. And the attitude of like, OK, I'll try it. Like the fun around it. And yeah, there's this backstory of sexual trauma for the character, which I think Liz Merriweather has talked about how they really wanted it to not be like a reveal that it's building up to like it's just kind of baked into what it is. And I think that helps it to like all of these things contribute to who she is as a person and nothing has to be kind of like discussed or debated. It's like you go for the thing that you want. And that's maps her journey of what she's figuring out on the show, too. I thought it was so smart. Tara: [11:24] Yeah, probably no one else is going to make this analogy. But as the show goes on, hear me out. She kind of weirdly reminded me of Gil Grissom on CSI. Whenever he had a case about any kind of offbeat expression of sexuality, he was always just sort of like pleasantly curious and nonjudgmental about it. And I thought Molly was was like that, too, including about herself. So I appreciated that aspect of it. Katey: [11:46] Yeah. Tara: [11:46] And also for Robbie Hoffman fans, you can also see her in the coming season of Hacks. I won't say what she's doing, but she's very funny there, too. Katey: [11:54] Yeah. Tara: [11:54] One of the first things this show has to do is convince us Steve has no place in Molly's journey. How well did you feel that was accomplished, Sarah? Sarah: [12:01] Oh my god i mean absolutely this vanity free performance from duplass that is just like that also felt very real and lived in that like of course he's not like a monster but the way that men so often just see themselves a certain way and even once it's pointed out to them they're like and and you're like oh my god and this is one of the things i really liked about the show is that They didn't sort of like drag that on. They just made it text immediately. And then she's like, I don't want to have to perform his version of my own death for that guy in a shawl collar sweater. Like, I just can't do it. So I won't. It was true to experience, but it was also like, they didn't make him a monster. I think he really does think he's trying to do the right thing. He loves her, but he just has that baked in kind of condescension and hero complex. And it was like, yeah, we all know a couple of that guy. And I completely understand her being like, I don't need this at my bedside. Thanks anyway. Dave: [13:08] Have you ever wanted to punch somebody more than that guy when he was saying, put it on speaker in the first? Tara: [13:13] Episode which he's getting. Dave: [13:14] The call from the doctor's office like that was a very succinct character note which is. Tara: [13:18] Oh i see yes yeah got it well yes it filled in what we didn't get from i'm the only editor that the female journalists want to work with or whatever it was the other way he was first. Dave: [13:29] Asked himself am i a good feminist perhaps. Tara: [13:32] Because blah blah blah yes yeah the look when she describes his look of pity that's actually excitement when he hears the news it's like this This tells us so much. I mean, it's such economical storytelling, truly. It's not until the end of episode three that Rob Delaney's even introduced his neighbor guy, which is all he's called. And I understand part of what they're trying to do is portray sex outside of a rom-com-y kind of relationship story. But did they wait too long to bring him in because he's never been hotter? And Katie, I know you agree. Katey: [14:00] Oh, my God. That's another thing I keep getting on my soapbox about. And he's introduced as being, like, gross and eating a burrito in the elevator. and like the grossness of it is part of the turn on because you've got Molly kind of exploring like S&M aspects of this relationship. But then as it becomes like more of a real relationship, like he's incredibly hot and affectionate and like kind of like a dream guy, right? Like he doesn't have a name and he's fictional. Like this is based on a real story. That part of it is not real. And the writers have talked about kind of wanting to give Molly this like semi-love story at the end of her life that she said that she wanted in the podcast and inspired it. But also the love story of the show is between Molly and Nikki. And I think you have to have that guy, like it pulls off that and also relationship story for nikki which i was also really invested in without taking the focus away from what the thing is really about so like i spent the whole last episode like wanting more rob delaney but understanding that that's not what the story was so it's kind of just another like perfect balance there of giving you this excellent very attractive thing and then saying no no no we're gonna redirect your attention and what it what it gets back to is also still really rewarding yeah. Tara: [15:01] And since you mentioned it you You can talk about Calvin Yu as Noah also, as Nikki's boyfriend. He's a writer on our friend Wendy's show, Bob's Burgers, as well. Katey: [15:10] Yeah, I loved him so much. I felt I was really invested in Nikki and Noah, and I won't spoil what happens there. But I mean, that's another way that it gets a really interesting way of like, you know, it's very romantic, the idea of setting your life on hold to help your friend as she's dying. But like, you have to have a life, too. And, you know, the world is left for the living. And that relationship gets at so much of that. Dave: [15:34] It is time to go around the dial, talking about what we've been watching on TV recently. Not necessarily recent TV, but let's see what Tara has. Tara: [15:43] Well, I'm talking about the new season of The Amazing Race, season 37. Seriously, it really literally is. They are, as I talked about when I updated everybody on season 36, they're not doing non-eliminations rounds anymore. What they are doing this season is calling it the season of surprises, which is adding a different impediment on every leg. So we've seen the fork in the road where you pick like one path of tasks and then you follow that path the whole way without being able to change. Or the driver's seat where the first team to a task gets to determine how difficult it's going to be for themselves and everyone else. In this case, it was assigning different weights of rice. People had to rice-ify. It's not important. So this was a big issue in the fourth episode because of Jonathan and Anna. And it was obvious from the premiere, Jonathan was the kind of guy who's going to be a capital P problem because they come in second and he's pissy. because his plan is to come in first on every leg as though that isn't everybody's plan. Tara: [16:39] We learn in the first episode, he and Anna had actually separated for a while and the more time we spend with them, the more obvious it is why that may have happened. But back to the rice task. They had earned the fast forward after assigning weights to everyone, including themselves, giving themselves the lightest weight available. They then announced they are going to use the fast forward to skip the task, meaning that, for instance, they could have given that 15 pounds to a 60-something mother and her daughter instead of the 25 pounds that team got. Obviously, no one was happy about having their fates determined by the most dickish guy and his wife, because no one ever is. But most people seem to understand it was part of the game. You just have to accept it, except for Scott and Lori. This is another married couple I guess we're supposed to think is more functional because they have eight children, all boys. But we also learn as the season goes on, Scott works out of state. The state is Utah and seems to think letting Lori make decisions about the family when he's not there makes him a huge feminist. Perhaps not on Steve level, but whatever. Tara: [17:39] So Scott and Laurie started campaigning against the monsters, Jonathan and Ando, for their decisions, but they did it so hard, all the other teams started turning against them for being so obvious. So then that takes us to the most recent episode. The surprise is a double U-turn. Everybody gets to vote on who is going to have to do both tasks at a detour. And Jonathan and Anna are like, oh, fuck. And rightly so, because there are nine teams left and they get four votes. Tara: [18:01] Also getting four votes, Scott Laurie, because now everyone hates them. She is unable to be normal about it, declaring in front of Phil that none of the teams that voted for them are her friends anymore. And Scott does literally the I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed because he thinks of the eight other teams, he says, as their eight boys, except their boys would never vote against them. And also he doesn't know how they got here because they just lead with positivity less than a minute after Lori's We're Not Friends thing. So the tasks they have to do for the W-turn are both hard. It fucks them both, the teams. But as much as I dislike Scott and Lori, Jonathan basically spends the episode emotionally abusing his wife on camera. It's awful. Tara: [18:40] She's clearly used to his moods because she tells the camera he has an issue with patience and he had sunstroke and he was just at his limit. And we watched scenes of her trying to cheer him up and him telling her to stop talking in so many words. And then turns on his charm for Phil and the local greeter at the mat because only she gets to be on the receiving end of that energy. Lucky her. And in an interview after the leg, he says basically on his own, he could win every leg. but now he understands he isn't going to be able to, which I interpreted as Anna is dragging me down to her level. He's a monster, so watch the season either to be gratified when he gets bounced or mad when he wins. Either could happen on The Amazing Race. Side note, one guy on another team is from the pit crew on Drag Race, and he's competing with his husband, and he's super hot. So watch for them as well. The Amazing Race, what a show. I sometimes remember there's so many seasons that I haven't watched yet from when I stopped during the first way through. I could go back. I haven't yet, but I might. Tara: [19:38] For my plug, we are recording this on April 8th. That is the 35th anniversary of the series premiere of Twin Peaks on ABC and Vanity Fair. Katie's former colleague Mike Hogan has a huge reported piece about the show. It's on the website now. I believe he said it's going to be in the June issue, but you can read it now. We'll link it in the show notes. And if you want to travel back in time 35 or more years for some reason, I would also point you to our sister podcast, Listen to Sassy, where Dave and I and our friend Pam Ribbon are going through every issue of Sassy in copious detail, telling you absolutely everything that you need to know about that wonderful magazine. We miss it still. Dave: [20:21] Katie, what have you been watching recently? Katey: [20:22] As I said, I'm watching a ton of television, and it's a lot of going through and watching a couple of episodes of something to know what it is and know who's on it and see if I can do an interview with someone. So it's been kind of frantic. And so I have not watched all of much of anything except maybe dying for sex. But I did finally start St. Dennis Medical. It was part of an event we did with Ankler last week in L.A. My colleague wound up interviewing the team behind it. For someone who hasn't been able to handle much of the pit yet, like I watched two episodes and said, I am stressed out. St. Dennis Medical was right there waiting for me. So it is a hospital set comedy that doesn't show any blood because it's more or less a network show. And it's got Wendy McClendon Covey in a real Michael Scott kind of role as the clueless hospital administrator, but made by people who kind of understand you can't just do a Michael Scott type again. You have to have variations on it. David Allen Greer is kind of the veteran surgeon who's in there. It's also got a really funny surgeon type who, like, thinks he's on Grey's Anatomy and is going to save a bunch of lives. But it turns out to just be kind of a vainglorious himbo. So I enjoyed a lot of it. I don't like Dying for Sex being 30 minutes episodes is a real selling point for me. I mean, Santa's Medical is even like 22 minutes and much lighter. I feel like everyone needs to have some of those in their rotation. So I was I was very glad to have that one to throw in there. I don't I don't know how popular it is, but I enjoyed it a lot. Tara: [21:37] Well, it's already been renewed. I'm still watching it. We talked about it when it premiered in November. Yeah, it's really funny. I think it's just continued to get better and better as it's gone on. So, yeah. Katey: [21:45] And so many comedies do that. Tara: [21:46] Yes, for sure. Dave: [21:48] I love the St. Dennis Medical as the show you don't have to watch through your fingers like the pit the gentle pit sort of like Paw Patrol to the wire you know basically exactly that I need to. Katey: [22:00] Get back to the pit like obviously everyone loves it and I just like I watched two episodes I was like I am so. Dave: [22:05] Stressed out it's intense. Katey: [22:06] Yeah I will get to it. Dave: [22:08] I hear about people that watch like three four episodes in a row I'm like no I mean I love the pit it's my favorite show this year so far but like Like, it is definitely a show that benefits from doling it out week by week and watching it on that schedule. Katey: [22:21] That's a good idea. I should watch one soon and then... Dave: [22:25] Don't overdo it, Katie. Tara: [22:27] Yeah, if you're squeamish, it's no joke. Katey: [22:30] Yeah, well, I have no shame of just, like, covering my eyes completely and just knowing that I'll get the chest. Dave: [22:35] I have a system where I'll have a blanket that is, like, a little see-through so I can see shapes and sort of, like, lands of contrast. But I can't see detail because there are a lot of scenes in the pit. Like, somebody's going near an eye, immediately blanket overhead. Katey: [22:51] Anything to. Dave: [22:52] Do with like just like anything near a toenail or a fingernail i'm just like i'm out. Katey: [22:56] I can't let me know so often the sound effects will just yeah there's a lot of squelching it's squelchy i. Sarah: [23:04] Mean i love it but we have listeners who are talking on the discord about like re-watching it in real time. Katey: [23:09] To like mimic. Tara: [23:10] The experience yes doing a 15-hour marathon. Katey: [23:14] On a saturday yeah i have a i have a friend who is watching the pit and then simultaneously going back and watching er like she'll do an episode of er while her husband does the dishes i feel like that's the ideal combo right like you can do the time travel you get like a little bit of that pit vibe without quite the level of intensity to it or you can do santana's medical in the pit back to back i think that would probably also be delightful katie. Dave: [23:35] Where can people find more of you on the. Katey: [23:37] There we go that's that's how i do a plug uh so i'm at the ankler uh writing the prestige junkie newsletter twice a week about um a lot of tv shows now doing some interviews with you know filmmakers and tv creators i also have a podcast called prestige junkie um as uh i just a couple hours ago talked to jason isaacs about the end of the white lotus which was like a man is a great talker and sees me having the time of his life um doing all of this stuff so that was very fun um then i have also have my own long-running podcast called fighting in the war room that i do with uh dave david erlich dave gonzalez and met patches we've been doing it for quite a long time uh so you can find that podcast as well where we have talked about many of these shows we were just mentioning and we'll probably get i will probably have to get up my soapbox about dying for sex over there too nice oh and you can find me on blue sky at uh katie rich uh k-a-t-e-y r-i-c-h check. Dave: [24:22] The show notes for all that, Dave: [24:25] Sarah D. Bunting, what do you got? Sarah: [24:27] Finally available, like two years after it debuted at film festivals, thank you very much, is Alex Braverman at Al's. Sarah: [24:35] Worshipful is maybe a little dismissive, but it's in another Andy Kaufman documentary. I had a boyfriend back in the day who revered Andy Kaufman and his work. I sat through multiple viewings of My Breakfast with Lassie, various Wildcat compilations from Kim's video, The Carnegie Hall Show, blah, blah, blah. So Kaufman is just one of those figures that whatever you think about him and his comedy, you can only be told so many times how brilliantly he forced us to question what we think of as entertainment or how he pioneered cringe comedy. Sarah: [25:08] He did all that, but I don't need to see any of it again because I got it the first time. We've done this as a culture with Kaufman, and thank you very much is well-made, but I don't think it covers any ground that wasn't already covered by previous movies, scripted and otherwise. I did find myself wondering what a Laurie Anderson take on Kaufman would look like. I did not realize, actually, until this documentary that she was a plant for him in clubs in the early 80s to get the heckling rolling. and the introduction to that section of thank you very much is done in the same style that her actual documentaries have been done where she's like sonorously narrating a kaleidoscopic series of Kaufman bits the same way that she did Heart of a Dog and she talks about being attracted to the violence of Kaufman's work and then there's a bit about how everything in American culture is actually wrestling and nothing can be trusted as a result and I like hit pause and I was like hmm. Sarah: [26:08] Like, I really wanted her to just do a doc short on Kaufman, which would cut straight to those ideas and not make us sit through the Mighty Mouse bit again. Or maybe Steve Martin or Maria Bamford or someone could just break down like a single Kaufman bit, the aristocrat style, because like Mighty Mouse is a really good bit. But like everything else with this guy, it just kind of feels like, yes, it is good. And if there's anything else to be said about why and the build and how he gets the effect, other famous bits that are in its family tree, that's great. But in the main, I think we get it. I think we understand what his influence is and we didn't need another feature. Thank you very much with all that said. It's fine. It's assembled fine. But it's also only for rent right now for $7 and for a full freight price. That's too much. if you're into this kind of thing, wait for it to be free and watch it then. And actually, I think you may be able to get it through Hoopla. If you have that hookup with your library system, you may be able to see it for free. For my plug, not free, but on sale, I have a bookstore. It is all true crime. And I have a lot of copies of various true crime tomes, good and bad those are tagged plus ones and if they are tagged as such they are 20 off at exhibit b books that's exhibit b books.com link in the show notes. Dave: [27:35] Well the cart does the math yeah, Dave: [27:40] all right uh before i get into what's happening on extra extra great at all i might let you know about glowing briefcase season two is now underway for not familiar this is a in beta daily pop culture trivia site that I am running with Mr. Dang Casino. And the big change for season two after listening to your feedback is you won't have just 24 hours to take a quiz. You'll have 72 hours. So what that means for you, dear listener, if you're on our Discord or if you're on just Patreon in general for Extra Hot Great, you can join in today as you're hearing this if it is Wednesday in your world and you can still play that first quiz and you won't be behind on anything. Yes, there is a leaderboard And yes, you can fall behind, but we're really just playing it for fun. Our quizzes are sort of goofy, and we're not taking anything too seriously. Today, as we're recording this Tuesday, we have before and after 80s songs. So, you know, before and after questions like on Jeopardy, the end of one title runs into the start of another. Except the catch here is, it's 80 songs, and I'm playing both songs for you at the exact same time, and you have to figure out the titles in before and after it. So here's your question to figure out. Katey: [29:00] Every breath you take on me. Dave: [29:01] Every breath you take on me is correct. Katie Rich. Already getting them game time points. 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Dave: [30:07] It is time for the Extra Haunt Great Canon. Presenting this week is our guest Katie. Katie, take it away. Katey: [30:15] Hello. So I know that 30 Rock has been inducted into the canon many times at this point, but then I looked at the archives and realized that there has not been a submission from season three, which I think is really 30 Rock at the peak of its powers. It's spent its very short first season kind of figuring itself out. I have a lot of affection for that season. It's strange. Katey: [30:34] Then season two, it was a hit and they had all this NBC meddling with things like the B-movie promo from Jerry Seinfeld and James Schwimmer as Greenzo. But then season three was when they really had things locked in place and a lot of things that now define it. And among those are the friendships between Liz and Jack, really at the center of the show, but then also Tracy and Kenneth. And I think both of those relationships are core to the center of reunion, which is the season's fifth episode and the one I would like to submit to the canon. So I initially hesitated in submitting an episode where 30 Rock itself is not central to the story. You have other episodes in the canon like Succession, the Amadeus episode, and Hardball are really kind of classic workplace comedies where everyone's there in the building. Within the departure episode is also an important 30 Rock tradition. And having Liz and Jack off on their own adventure together, then while some really minor stuff is going down at the office, is a really useful combination in Reunion. As often happens with 30 Rock episodes, they are 21 minutes long and not a moment is wasted. You get the really basic setup for the A-plot of this episode and the super efficient scene between Liz and Jack that we could hear here in clip one. Guys, woke up. What? Yes! Dave: [31:50] What's that flavor? It's Dove Age-Fighting Acne Cream. Katey: [32:45] So this scene comes after some intro scenes that feature two of my favorite characters which is jack's assistant jonathan who suggests that they uh they commit a crime to have something that bonds them together and kathy geist is holding a magna doodle that says kathy ceo on it um, but we can stay focused on liz and jack um this this scene has so many perfect jokes that are at liz's expense um like the age-defying acne cream and then right after this you hear the origins of I want to go to there, which is a real 30 Rock catchphrase that like like something you would see inside 30 Rock. But there's also this affection between the two of them that's grown by that point in the show and has been really well earned that that you can hear here. So before listen, Jack head off on the corporate jet so he can drop her off at her reunion in Whitehaven. He goes and meets with Don Geis in this very beautiful terrace that I'm sure is real at 30 Rock. Ripped horn's not in this episode much, but I think we all know he's essential to the show. And you can hear a little bit of that in this one clip. A beam of energy came and spoke to me during my coma. Oh, no, no, no. Katey: [33:57] Die, if that ever even happens. So Don Geist hovers over this episode as Jack realizes that he will not be the CEO of GE just yet. So he's dealing with that as they head to Whitehaven. But first, there's the B-plot inside Dirty Rock that has Tracy being jealous of Kenneth for getting all the good laughs in the elevator. And, of course, he makes that the problem of his buddies, Grizzin.com, as you can hear here. Katey: [34:40] I love Grizz and Dotcom so much. They are, again, not in this episode very much. But I do think it's a case for the show that at this point, they've developed all these characters so well that they can make a really short joke. Like Grizz going to the optometrist is not on his face a joke unless you get all the things that come before that. And Tracy's saying it's a made up word also. So Liz gets to Philadelphia for it gets to Whitehaven outside of Philadelphia for the reunion. Thanks for Snowstorm, Jack is stuck there with her. And then there's Jeff Hiller of somebody somewhere checking them into the hotel. What a delight. I don't know if he was ever considered to play Kenneth, but that's certainly the vibe he's giving in this scene checking them into that hotel. So Jack is sticking around there trying to figure out where to get to a bar. Liz heads to the reunion and learns in a classic 30 Rock twist that she was not the lonely nerd she thought she was. That's in clip four. You made life a living hell for everyone here. You would have to come to. Katey: [36:04] So to jump right into another clip, not only that, even her actual friends she remembers from high school are still also mad at her. That's clip five. Hello, Elizabeth. It's Rob Sussman. Still think I'm gayer than the volleyball. Sarah: [36:27] Three beautiful dogs. Oh, boy. I cannot deal right now. I'm so mad all I can do is dance. Katey: [36:35] I've been saying I'm so mad all I can do is dance for years, ever since this episode. It's maybe my favorite part of the entire episode. So this is a funny twist for Liz. She's got this sense of being a put-upon nerd throughout the show, but then there's also the conflict of her being a boss and then creating a lot of her own worst problems by being kind of addicted to people around her. But it also has this universal truth to it that I don't think is often one of the strengths of 30 Rock. But every now and then something on this show can be so incredibly funny and something that you reflect on and realize, oh, maybe the way I remember that happening isn't exactly how I thought it went. But none of that is as funny as what happens when Jack Donaghy, denied the GE CEO job, decides to change his life entirely when he crashes the reunion because it's the only bar within 30 miles. And then this happens in clip six. Hey, Lemon, check this out. I just made it up. The three Bs, beers, boats, and. Katey: [37:47] So then this is the magic of 30 Rock for me so often is you get a premise from a sitcom, you get Liz and Jack together at a reunion, you twist it once by making Liz the bully, and then you escalate it by having Jack fake his identity as Larry Braverman. He sides with the popular kids who hate Liz, and then he is reunited with just a really going for it Janelle Maloney, who has been hung up on Larry Braverman ever since high school. You get these great Alec Baldwin line deliveries, like saying that Rich 50 is the middle class 38. And then when he and Liz get stuck in seven minutes in heaven, he says, we're not going to make out to be social suicide. He is so good at those parts. To go back, go back to 30 Rec for a moment. Jenna gets roped in with Tracy as they attempt to teach Kenneth a lesson about sealing the thunder from them. It's, again, a pretty classic, dumb Jenna and Tracy thing to do. And then it leads to this really funny confrontation that I think really makes this very silly side plot worth it. That's clip seven. I don't like it when you do jokes in the elevator. That's my job. Oh, Lord, I didn't. Tara: [38:54] To stop. I will. I will. Katey: [39:01] So the reunion ends then with a failed attempt to carry Liz. It even brings back the music from actual carry as she's walking to the stage. And then Jack has to deny being Larry Braverman because, you know, Maloney shows up with his son. Liz and Jack make their exit on the jet, and then Liz throws out a goodbye that, in my more petty moments, I also think of when I visit my own small hometown. That's clippy. Once and for all, I want to say I'm sorry. Tara: [39:30] You know what? Suck it, you whittling IHOP monkeys. I'm at the Jets' way. That's right, a jet to New York City. Lemon out. Katey: [39:41] So in conclusion reunion is not a master of structure the way that some 30 rock episodes are where all of these side plots kind of brave to braid together in the end into this greater chaotic hole um but it's got the sheer joke count that i think makes it really special these great guest performances from janelle maloney uh robin lively as kelsey winthrop and then rob whitting who is uh so mad all he can do is dance and then was also in shutter island like two years later Like that man's got range. Tara: [40:05] Wow. Katey: [40:06] And it has this really earned emotional payoff between Liz and Jack at the very end there. All of those come together. It makes me feel like this is worthy of the canon. Tara: [40:15] Thank you so much. Shutter Island, speaking of Michelle Williams, she's everywhere. Sarah, much as like last week, we're talking about a show Dave and I know inside and out and a show that you- Sarah. Dave: [40:25] Do you want to go first or last? Why don't we give Sarah a choice here? Tara: [40:28] Yeah, that's a good point. First or last. Sarah: [40:30] First William F. Buckley dies and now this. I'll go first. As always, I enjoyed this presentation. Sometimes 30 Rock can feel a little over-indexed and also like, i should have probably watched the whole thing by now but because i didn't it's like gotten sort of catcher in the ride and i'm not gonna enjoy it but then something like this will come up and i'm like oh this is actually uh right in my wheelhouse and uh i enjoyed this episode for the joke density like you said drive-bys about 30 rock about princeton reunions i mean like you can't you You can't beat the NBC, like, all-star guest stars. Janelle Maloney just, like, extremely intensely doing this, like, lost high school love who would like to introduce you to your kid. And my favorite, Diane Neal, being like, you said God pooped on me. Like, this is the sex crimes prosecutor from SVU, and she's just going for it. It's so good. Dave: [41:29] The way she comes into that scene, though. I'm just laughing. Stage left is just great. Sarah: [41:35] Yeah. clearly had been waiting for someone to cast her in a sitcom so that she could cut loose like this and it's great and then jeff hiller obviously brilliant just trying to explain like how you get to the nearest bar it's just this byzantine thing involving like a buggy the way he speaks vietnamese. Katey: [41:53] Is really special. Sarah: [41:53] Yeah and yeah and that i mean various runners that like they know just how many times to go back to various jokes sometimes it's five times sometimes it's twice it's very good and uh jenna's like no keep crying that's the one that sticks with me that i'll be uh using it is a little surprising to me that i i feel like i knew of this episode i knew some of the catchphrases i'd seen them in like montages before so it was a little surprising to me that this wasn't already in the canon and that's kind of what you want in a canon or Nonac presentation that it's like, wait, we didn't do this ever? Oh, perfect. And then it slots right in. And I think that will be the case here. So thank you for presenting it. It was very funny. Tara: [42:45] I'll go next. Thank you, Katie. This is a true joy. Dave and I just finished rewatching 30 Rock for probably the fifth time like two months ago. So this was still very fresh in my mind. And there, for all the reasons you said, it's such a rich text. It was nice to revisit. I want to go to there in context before it had become like, my cat's breath smells like cat food of 30 Rock, which is like a line that you see on the internet where it's like, all right. Tara: [43:10] But at the time, it was hilarious. and when you see it in this episode that you are reminded of that there's so much of liz uh what makes her character so enduring is that she for exactly the reason that you said she thought of herself as a nerd she is in fact a bully and that's sort of like her story throughout the run of the show and you kind of see it here too with textually but also just in like collecting her messages at the beginning with like your landlord says it's not the toilet it's me that's his opinion and then you you know you don't really think of how mean she is until because it's a sitcom like people are mean to each other in sitcoms all the time until that last scene in seven minutes of heaven where jack is like remember when i told you i wasn't getting that job what was the first thing you did made a mean joke and then he she makes him cry because she found his business cards. Like, you know, part of what makes this episode good to me is that I believe Tina Fey is very mean in the way that Liz is sometimes and that she has channeled that into an extremely successful career. Tara: [44:19] And like, I don't want to be her friend, but I'm glad she's making TV. And I loved watching this episode again. I believe every single part of everything that happens, including the very absurd ones so and you know not to predict but it will be nice if it goes that way to have both of jeff hillers 30 rock appearances in the canon because we have of course already inducted probably my favorite episode the one um on the plane. Katey: [44:46] The one that's not called nag's head even though. Tara: [44:49] I thought i. Katey: [44:49] Always think it's called nag's head. Tara: [44:50] Yes double edged sword dave all. Dave: [44:53] Right i agree with everything i will say just on top of everything that out of office episodes can be very tricky to pull off. So just on like a global perspective, did a good job creating a formula that works outside of 3D Rock itself. So that's not nothing when you just sort of like are comparing it to other successful entries for 30 Rock in the canon. A few things nobody's mentioned yet, just because of the joke density of a 30 Rock episode, and this one in particular. When Tracy actually has to sit in his anger chair, it is a tiny little preschooler plastic chair with the giant bell-bottom legs. So that visually was very funny. Liz Lemon at some point is listing off things she has done that are not nice, and one of them is laughing at a blind guy eating spaghetti. Dave: [45:39] It's so me jenna just being aggressively terrible about everything is happening in the elevator when she's talking to tracy they're talking about cute things babies can do and she's like well feet in mouth i can do that and then proceeds to start to put her foot in her mouth while standing up and then of course when she gets in the elevator with kenneth and kenneth tells one of his stupid jokes and everybody starts laughing and somebody comments he should be on the show she immediately like, bam, like that starts singing wind beneath my wings at full volume in the elevator. It's just like a perfect Jenna moment. And we've seen a lot of those in the show, but this one was like solely perfectly timed that I really just enjoyed that quite a bit. My favorite joke, though, just every time you rewatch something that you're like into like 3D Rock and you've seen a dozen times or The Simpsons say when you watch an episode that you like, you always find that one thing that hits funnier this time for whatever. whatever reason. And the one for me is Jack Donaghy, just before he becomes Larry Braverman is talking to some bros at the bar and he's saying, you know, so what's, what's the secret to happiness? And he's like, the guy's like, Oh, you know, I got a truck. I got a wife. I got my mulch business. You know, everything's going great. And he's like, yeah, that's a dream, isn't it? And then lemon comes a few seconds later. He just turns to us. He goes, lemon, would you buy my mulch? Tara: [47:03] Yeah. Dave: [47:06] I'd love that. I absolutely love that. Katey: [47:09] Can I throw out one more thing? Sorry. When I texted Jerry Reed to tell him I was doing this episode, he pointed out a line I didn't have time to clip, which is after Liz is so mean to Jack in the closet and they come out, they go, what's wrong with you? And Rob Sussman goes, she's the gay one. Tara: [47:23] Which is such a perfect comeback. Katey: [47:28] You can also just sit here and quote all the episodes in Nauseam, which is what made clipping it so hard. Dave: [47:33] Speaking to the joke density, as solid as ever, But they managed to do it in a, you know, perhaps a setting that they aren't as comfortable with as they would be if it was set at 30 Rock and they still really pull it off. So I think that's not nothing. So let's put this to the official vote. Sarah D. Bunting, what say you? Canon worthy or not? Sarah: [47:51] Absolutely. Dave: [47:52] Drop? Tara: [47:53] Yes. Dave: [47:53] Me too. So. That means that 30 Rock Season 3, Episode 5, Reunion, you're hereby inducted into the extra hot great camp. Dave: [48:14] love a winner. Yeah. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. All right. It is time to discover the winner and loser of the week. Tara has this week's winner. Tara: [48:25] I do. It is Olivia Munn. Last week, she was a guest host on Today. And when they got around to the topic of the space flight that a bunch of women, including Lauren Sanchez, are going to be doing soon, she called it gluttonous. Jenna Bush Hager tried to keep it light. She was not having it. Stuck to her guns. She was right. And she should say it. And she did. And also hilarious that she is doing it on Today, because also on this flight is going to be Gayle King, who is their time slot rival. Oops, but great. Olivia Munn, complicated figure, very good in Your Friends and Neighbors, a show I did not like. So good for her. We'll talk about that more on Friday. Dave: [49:04] All right, Sarah, who's her loser of the week? Sarah: [49:06] All of us, but it came out last week that Will Forte and Val Kilmer's reps basically forbade those two from doing The Amazing Race together. And we are all the poorer for that not having happened. that would have been so watchable. They each would have written a book about it that I would have read and kept on my bedside table. The universe is a cruel, cruel place and their agents are a big part of why. I'm very sad. Tara: [49:37] Yeah. What had happened was they worked together, of course, in MacGruber and then like Will Forte stayed with him for a while and got him hooked on The Amazing Race after Val Kilmer like resisted for a long, long time, was like, that sounds stupid and then started to watch one episode and, you know, fell in love, as you do. And they apparently were close, and it was Kilmer's idea that they go on the show together. But alas, now we'll never see it. Dave: [50:00] Gosh. Sarah: [50:01] No. Dave: [50:01] I wonder if you were on The Amazing Race, you know, you were like the one celebrity that season, if they're not doing a celebrity one, how much easier it is to get directions and for people to help you if you're walking around with Belle Kilmer. Tara: [50:13] Yeah, that's a good point. Dave: [50:15] You know, because all he has to do is the Iceman thing once, and then, like, he's got 30 people giving him his phone. and stuff like that, so. Tara: [50:21] Yeah. I mean, Will Forte's pretty famous too. Dave: [50:23] Sure, but he wasn't in Top Gun. Tara: [50:26] Not yet. Dave: [50:27] Spitting a baldy ball on his finger. Tara: [50:28] He wasn't on the original, yes, but who knows what the future will bring? Dave: [50:32] Speaking about not knowing what the future will bring, do you know what time it is? If you know, it's gotta be game time. Okay, so you do know what the future will bring. I've caught you in my little trap. Sarah: [50:46] Just use the regular trap, or it's just fine. Dave: [50:53] What mysterious message was Sarah saying underneath that theme? We'll never know because the theme is very loud. This is the 11th, guys, the 11th game time of the season. Tara has four. She gets to five with a win today. The season's over, guys. So it's up to Sarah who has three or Katie who has three with a value guess to win today to keep the season going. Today we are playing 19 questions Katie edition. And this is how it works. You've all heard 19 questions before. It's our version of 20 questions, except all the inanimate objects today, we're only playing inanimate objects from TV, are going to be from shows that I asked, Katie, what shows do you watch? What shows do you like? And she gave me a big list, and we're going to do five from those shows. And I will give you the show information when we start. So we're going to be starting with the knowledge of the show, and then that it is an inanimate object from the show. So in 19 questions, the first person on deck will ask me a question to which I can answer yes or no. If I say yes to that question, they get to ask again. If I say no, then it goes to the next person in line. We keep on going until somebody guesses the actual object in question, or I get fed up and I say, know more of this we're moving on that's how we play all right let's throw it to picky to see who is going first today. Dave: [52:20] All right. Well, it's Katie's edition of 19 questions, so we'll let Katie go first, and then Sarah, then Tara. Remember where you are in the order, so you're ready when somebody fucks it up. Five questions. Are we ready to play 19 questions, Katie edition? Tara: [52:35] Yes. Good luck, everybody. Sarah: [52:37] Yes. Dave: [52:37] I think so. Katie, the first show I picked from your list is Twin Peaks. So you have to ask me a yes or no question that will filter down what inanimate object, what thing from Twin Peaks we are talking about. Katey: [52:52] Is it bigger than a bread box? Dave: [52:54] It is bigger than a bread box. Great leading question. Katey: [52:58] Okay. Is it something a person can hold? Dave: [53:01] Is it something a person can hold? I'm going to say no to that. Tara: [53:04] Oh, okay. That's not what I was thinking. Dave: [53:06] Yeah, it is not. All right, so we move to Sarah, who gets to ask the next question. Sarah: [53:13] It's bigger than a bread box and a person can't hold it. Is it a building? Dave: [53:20] It's not a building. Tara: [53:24] Person can't hold it. Is it on weed? Just kidding. Is it metal? Dave: [53:32] It is not metal. No, back to Katie. Katey: [53:35] Is it in the actual physical boundaries reality of the town of Twin Peaks? Dave: [53:44] It, I'm going to say it is, oops, sorry, it is not. Katey: [53:47] Okay. Dave: [53:48] It is not. Katey: [53:49] Ooh, okay. Dave: [53:50] So to Sarah. Sarah: [53:52] I don't actually, this is going to be a sort of burnt question because I don't remember exactly what this was made of, metal or wood, but is it the sign at the edge of town? Tara: [54:03] Oh, good guess. Dave: [54:04] It's not the sign at Edge of Town. Tara: [54:07] Is it the lumber yard? Dave: [54:09] Is it the lumber yard? It's not. Katey: [54:12] Is it the marble bust in the lodge? The one with the red curtains? The room? Dave: [54:21] Black Lodge? Katey: [54:22] Is it that? Yeah. Dave: [54:23] It's not. Tara: [54:25] Is it the rug in the Black Lodge? Dave: [54:27] It's not. Sarah: [54:28] Can I go? Tara: [54:30] Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry. Sarah: [54:33] It's not the rug of the Black Lodge. Tara: [54:35] Skip to Katie after me. Sorry. Sarah: [54:39] Well, now I'm not ready. Is it in the diner? Dave: [54:45] Is it in the diner? It is not in the diner. All right. Tara: [54:49] Back to Katie because I broke. Dave: [54:49] To Katie because of Tara's terrible storm in the ship. Katey: [54:52] Is it in the Black Lodge? Dave: [54:54] It is. Katey: [54:55] Oh, my God. Okay. What else is in there? Is it the curtains in the Black Lodge? Dave: [55:03] That was already guessed. Katey: [55:03] So I'll let you... Oh, I thought we said rug. Dave: [55:06] Somebody said all the things. I heard curtains at some point, so I don't want to have yet to do... Katey: [55:10] Is it the couch in the Black Lodge? Dave: [55:12] It's not the couch in the Black Lodge. To Sarah! Tara: [55:15] Got it. Sarah: [55:19] Is it the... Oh, God. Is it the Black Lodge? I'm not asking... Dave: [55:23] Keep in mind, we already know it's bigger than a bread box, but you can't hold it. Sarah: [55:26] Right. Dave: [55:27] All right. Sarah: [55:27] Just reminding you of some things that have been said. Dave: [55:30] It's inanimate. Sarah: [55:31] I feel like I remember a throne in the Black Lodge. Is it that? Dave: [55:35] Show me throne. Wait, wrong game. Incorrect. Tutara. Tara: [55:41] I don't know if there's a throne, but is it like just a regular, is it a chair? Nope. Katey: [55:46] We've guessed all the things that you can sit on in the Black Lodge. Dave: [55:50] Almost. Katey: [55:54] Is there like a television? Like there's some kind of screen in the Black Lodge? If that is there, is it that? Dave: [56:01] There's not a TV in the Black Lodge to Sarah. Sarah: [56:06] We guessed the rug. We guessed the curtains. We guessed the floor. Is it the door of the Black Lodge? I don't know anymore Black Lodge. Dave: [56:16] I'm going to say you said two things wrong just then. Tara: [56:21] I don't remember what else was in the Black Lodge. Katey: [56:24] I can't either. Dave: [56:25] Go over everything you said about the Black Lodge so far. I'll let you know whether you said it or not. Tara: [56:29] Curtains. Rug. Dave: [56:31] Somebody said curtains. Somebody said rug. Tara: [56:33] Door. Dave: [56:33] Somebody said door. Tara: [56:35] Chair. Dave: [56:35] Chair. Drone. Tara: [56:37] Couch. Dave: [56:37] Couch. Tara: [56:38] Bust. Dave: [56:38] Bust, yeah. Sarah: [56:40] Wow. Tara: [56:42] Is it the coffee maker? I'm truly at a house. All right. Dave: [56:46] One more guess for everybody. Katey: [56:47] Is it the part of the floor that's not the rug, but like the black and white actual floor? Dave: [56:52] Is it the zigzag pattern? Is that what you're asking? Katey: [56:54] Yes. Dave: [56:55] It is. Katey: [56:56] Oh! Tara: [56:56] The zigzag floor. Okay, good job, Katie. Sarah: [57:00] Thank you. I was going to guess that, but I was like... Dave: [57:01] You said it was guessed. Sarah: [57:02] But it wasn't. Dave: [57:03] That's what I was saying. You made two mistakes in that statement when you said... Katey: [57:06] No, I think I also thought that we'd say... Sarah: [57:08] Will be my last. Tara: [57:10] Good job, Katie. Dave: [57:11] First point goes to Katie. So we'll start our second one with Sarah. Sarah, the show is Friends. Da-da-da-da. Friends. We're looking for an inanimate object from Friends. You are starting the questions. Sarah: [57:24] Is this bigger than a bread box it. Dave: [57:28] Is bigger than a bread box yes. Sarah: [57:32] Uh is it in one of the apartments yes. Dave: [57:40] I will say there's a chance that it was in both, but I don't want to say for sure. Tara: [57:45] Everything was generally because they switched it. Dave: [57:48] Right. Yeah. Sarah: [57:49] Is it Chandler's recliner? Dave: [57:52] It is not. Tatar. Tara: [57:55] Was it mainly in the guy's apartment? Dave: [57:58] Yes. Tara: [57:59] Is it the foosball table? Dave: [58:00] It is not the foosball table. Katey: [58:03] Is it the statue of the white statue of the horse or whatever? Dave: [58:06] The white statue of the horse. Can you paint me a picture? what it looks like there. Katey: [58:11] Was like an ugly big statue that. Dave: [58:13] I think. Katey: [58:14] Was a horse or a. Dave: [58:15] It was just white creature i i remember this to you you're talking about the right thing it's a greyhound. Tara: [58:21] It's a it was white a gray hound. Dave: [58:23] Pat the dog he's a ceramic greyhound wait did i get the race oh wait. Katey: [58:30] Did i get that right. Dave: [58:31] You did get that right we're gonna get my god i feel like. Katey: [58:33] That was a really ill-gotten victory. Dave: [58:35] Well if i didn't give it to you it would have gone to tara who would have got it from you saying what it was to 90%. So we're going to give that one to you. Thank you. All right. Our next show, we're going to start with Sarah again is 30 rock. It's an inanimate object from 30 rock. It is not from the episode we just watched. Tara: [58:52] Okay. Sarah: [58:53] Okay. Not from the episode we just watched. That is not going to help me. Dave: [58:58] I'm pretty sure that it is from the Canon, though. I'm not 100% sure, but it feels like it should be. So I think you have actually watched it, Sarah. Sarah: [59:06] Okay. Okay, that's not really going to help me. Is this bigger than a bread box? Dave: [59:12] No. Sarah: [59:13] Okay, thank you. Tara: [59:15] Is it food? Dave: [59:17] Yes, it is food. Tara: [59:21] Is it Cheesy Blasters? Dave: [59:23] It is not Cheesy Blasters. Tara: [59:25] Oh, that's not what I meant to say, but okay, got it. Katey: [59:27] Is it Subur de Soledad chips? Dave: [59:29] It is not. Tara: [59:30] That's what I meant. Katey: [59:32] Cheesy Blasters is a good guess. Dave: [59:34] So it's 30 Rock. It is smaller than a bread box and it is food, Sarah. Sarah: [59:39] That does not help me. Is it a taco? Taco? Tara: [59:48] Is it a dessert? Dave: [59:49] It is not a dessert. Katey: [59:51] Is it a Teamster sub? Dave: [59:53] It is a Teamster sandwich with dipping sauce. Tara: [59:56] Yes. Katey: [59:57] Correct. Because you had the Cleveland episode in the canon, right? Tara: [1:00:01] That's right. Katey: [1:00:02] Yeah. I think of that every time I go through airport security. Dave: [1:00:05] Me too. All right. Two left. has anybody here not watched the White Lotus finale and wants to before we do this one alright we're talking about White Lotus finale, breaking it right down so if you haven't watched it yet you don't want to get spoiled for some inanimate object from the last episode go away now and come back here we go alright Sarah D. Bunting start us off. Sarah: [1:00:27] Is it a Duke sweatshirt. Dave: [1:00:29] It is a Duke sweatshirt no. Tara: [1:00:33] Is it the blender. Dave: [1:00:36] Is it the blender? It is not the blender. Katie. Katey: [1:00:39] I'm going to start simple. Is it bigger than a bread box? Dave: [1:00:41] It. Ooh. Katey: [1:00:43] Ooh. Is it bread box size? Dave: [1:00:44] Let me think. Let me think. I'm going to say probably yes. Katey: [1:00:49] Okay. Dave: [1:00:49] But I wouldn't put a lot into me saying probably yes. I'm going to ask another question. I'm going to say like it's on the bubble. Katey: [1:00:56] Ooh. Okay. Is it something a person can hold? Dave: [1:01:01] Yes. Katey: [1:01:01] Okay. Oh, no. I got to keep going. Is it something in the Ratliff Villa? Dave: [1:01:08] That's the main family right yes. Katey: [1:01:11] Oh shit okay and it's not the blender it's bigger than a bread box it's not a book it's something you can hold it's not lafayette bam it's smaller than a bread box famously what if there was one. Dave: [1:01:24] Xanax pill that was bigger than a bread box you just take little bites out of it when you're in bed or. Sarah: [1:01:29] You just chip it off. Dave: [1:01:30] Like a cheese slicer. Katey: [1:01:35] God, what is in... Oh, everything I can think of is so small. I don't think this is right. Is it a pina colada? Dave: [1:01:44] It is the Suicide Pina Coladas as a whole. All four of them. Tara: [1:01:49] Wow. Dave: [1:01:49] Kind of bigger than a bread box. Tara: [1:01:50] Oh, okay, yes. Dave: [1:01:53] But you can still hold it as an individual. Tara: [1:01:56] A murder of Pina Coladas. Katey: [1:01:57] Is a bread box a bad metric for this? Dave: [1:02:00] Well, I was like, one is smaller. All together are ungainly and probably bigger than a bread box. Katey: [1:02:06] You wouldn't put them in a bread box, but by volume. Dave: [1:02:10] Yeah, I think they're too tall to put in a bread box. Katey: [1:02:12] Wow. Dave: [1:02:13] Those glasses were tall. All right. One more left, Katie. And if you sweep it. Tara: [1:02:17] You can sweep. Katey: [1:02:17] Wow. Dave: [1:02:18] Yeah, you can sweep this. So here we go. Katey: [1:02:20] I mean, I did get to pick all the shows. Dave: [1:02:22] Last show. We'll let Tara start this one just because she hasn't been able to start one yet. Tara: [1:02:26] Okay. Dave: [1:02:26] Tara, the show from Katie's list that we're going to be talking about is Breaking Bad. Tara: [1:02:31] Okay, I've heard of that. Dave: [1:02:32] So we're looking for an inanimate object from Breaking Bad. Tara: [1:02:35] Okay. Is it bigger than a bread box? Dave: [1:02:38] It is bigger than a bread box. Tara: [1:02:39] Is it food? Dave: [1:02:41] It is not food. Katey: [1:02:43] Me next. Can a person fit inside it? Dave: [1:02:47] Yes. Katey: [1:02:48] Is it the RV? Dave: [1:02:51] I will say for the purposes, I would have accepted RV if it was the answer because it is inanimate as far as how it exists in the universe. It's how we define inanimate when we do these things. Katey: [1:03:01] Okay. Sarah: [1:03:02] All right. So it's bigger than a bread box and a person can fit inside it. Is it the pants from the pilot? Dave: [1:03:10] Oh, the pants from the pilot. Tara: [1:03:11] I love that guess. Is it the Pontiac Aztec? Dave: [1:03:14] It is the Pontiac Aztec. Katey: [1:03:15] Yes. Walter White's Pontiac Aztec. Dave: [1:03:19] I forgot about the Pontiac Aztec. That was a pretty good showing, Katie. You got four out of five. So today belongs to Valued Guest. Tara: [1:03:29] Woo! Sarah: [1:03:29] Nice. Valued Guest! Dave: [1:03:32] Valued Guest. All right, that sets up next week to be two people that could clinch the season with a win. Sarah, right behind three points. Tara: [1:03:41] Oh, my God. Dave: [1:03:42] All right, that is it for another episode of Extra Hot Great. We discuss whether we're dying for more dying for sex before going around the dial with stops at The Amazing Race, St. Dennis Medical, and thank you very much. In 10 years time, we'll gather here again to celebrate Katie getting 30 Rocks reunion into the canon. We crown winners and losers of the week. And Katie, for value guests, was the winner of this week's 19 questions game time. Next up is your friends and neighbors on Extra Extra Hot Great, and Black Mirror Season 7 on EHG Prime. Remember, we're listening. I am David Ticol, and on behalf of Tara Ariano. Tara: [1:04:27] Let's go throw a tantrum about the air conditioning. Dave: [1:04:29] Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:04:31] No, keep crying. Dave: [1:04:34] And Katie Rich. Katey: [1:04:35] There's free popcorn on the jet. Dave: [1:04:36] Thanks for listening, everyone. And we'll talk to you next time right here on Extra Hot Great.