Should You Invite Your Friends And Neighbors Over?

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We are all firing on cylinders, and that is what you're going to say when you get to this episode. Wow, everyone was really on it. We thank you for your support. We're delighted to get your year. Could not do this without you. And this week, we're talking about your friends and neighbors. Andy Cooper, Jon Hamm, who is known as Coop to everyone, is a hedge fund manager. He has a huge suburban house he doesn't live in because his wife, Mel, Amanda Peet, cheated on him with one of his friends, and now they're divorced. He has two teenage children who disdain him for the usual reasons. He has a Maserati, and now that he's single, he has access to beautiful women who want to have sex with him. Then he ends up unemployed and starts to wonder what else he could lose. An idle stroll through a neighbor's house during a barbecue gives him an epiphany. All these people have more stuff than sense, and instead of getting another job, why not just rob them and live off the proceeds from selling their things? The show was created by Jonathan Tropper, who created Warrior and co-created Banshee, and the show was already renewed for a second season late last year. The first two episodes dropped on Apple TV Plus on April 11th, with one a week after that on Fridays. We got access to the first seven of nine, but I bet I'm the only one who watched them all because I had to for Cracked and will link to my review in the show notes. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch Your Friends and Neighbors? Sarah: [2:50] Uh, no, I don't think so. Tara: [2:54] Dave. When is it enough? And really, what's the point of all this shit? I mean, exactly. You'll see in my review that it was a hard no for me as well. This is the wrong show at the wrong time. But anyway. Dave: [3:09] Point of order. Tara: [3:10] Yeah. Dave: [3:15] Coming into it sideways. It still works. It still works. Sarah: [3:28] There he is, there he is, there he is, there he is, there he is, there he is, there he is. Dave: [3:35] Oh, tragically ill-timed harmony. Tara: [3:38] Not for her, just for everybody else. Yeah, I did have a question about this. I mean, Sterling Cooper, Coop here, D.B. Cooper, what is he trying to tell us? Why does he keep being associated with Coops? What the hell? Dave: [3:53] Yeah. Sarah: [3:54] Yeah. Hmm. Tara: [3:56] Really a rhetorical question. I know he was like two when the skyjacking happened, or was he? Anyway, let's get into it. As Don Draper in Mad Men, Jon Hamm helped define the age of the TV antihero, is Coop what we want to see him doing now? I mean, I already know the answer is no, but Sarah, tell us why it isn't. Sarah: [4:16] I mean, the thing is that watching him do this almost like puts it over yeah but it's what he's doing that it's sort of like oh poor hedge fund westchester guy like in this economy right now i think this could have worked i mean it's not an unenjoyable watch there are a ton of people in it that i love i want amanda pete to do good expensive things all the time yep corbin bernson is perfect in this olivia munn is really good it just is not it's exactly what you said in your review it is very difficult to plug into this character as a whatever robin and his teenage hoods or like whatever you don't like his kids You don't feel sorry for him. And Jon Hamm's extreme magnetism and Clooney-esque ability to sort of get you to care about something like this suggests to me that this would have been better as like Ocean's 14, like make it a movie. But I don't want to commit to nine hours with this dude who did this to himself. Tara: [5:31] Mm-hmm. Dave: [5:32] It's like watching Mad Men and you got Don Draper up there, except you don't get the Don Draper's like, rat-a-tat-tat, I got your campaign all figured out. Look at me go. I'm fueled by alcohol, but I make it all work. Instead, you get the Don Draper who's like, I'm sad because here I am. Drinky drink, drinky poo. I hate everything. I hate my wife. I hate my kids. That's all you get in this show. Tara: [5:58] Yeah. Dave: [5:59] And it needs the other bit. Like, I need to know why he was such a success before all this shit happened at his job where they cooked him out. Like, it just doesn't click. Like, there's nothing about this character that's like, yeah, he's an asshole, but maybe he's my type of asshole. No, no, he's just an asshole. Like, there's nothing really here to put your claws into. So that's what I thought. I thought, like, at the base of the show, the lead just had to have more going on. And especially when it's Jon Hamm. And of course, like, your brain is like, all right, how much Don Draper are we getting here? Tara: [6:32] Right. Dave: [6:33] And it turns out we're getting half. But we just, we need a little bit more from the what's missing, I think, to make this click. Tara: [6:39] Yeah. He's presented as the best of the guys in his neighborhood, but it's like, they're all assholes, too. Like, this doesn't really, this doesn't get me there. Dave: [6:48] Yeah. Tara: [6:48] Not to mention, like, every episode, he has to have a little, like, another pity party about his wife cheating on him. It's like, it's been a year, buddy. Like, move on. You're fucking someone else, too. You know, I mean, two years, right. Two years. They make a point of saying it's been a it's been a long time. I mean, I'm not saying get over it. I'm just being like. Dave: [7:06] Shut up about it. Getting from there to here. Tara: [7:10] Yeah. I mean, in the so if I may spoil what's coming in a later episode, may I? Sarah: [7:15] Yes. Tara: [7:16] OK. Spoilers. Ahoy. Do do do do do do. So at the end of the third episode, he's at the NBA player's house. He breaks in and he's going to try and steal his championship ring because he's not there. He knows he's at Mel's house having sex with her. Dave: [7:30] That's like stealing the crown jewels or something. You'd never be able to hawk it. Tara: [7:34] Exactly. And this is sort of part of the interesting stuff where it's like he has to be educated on how you do and don't sell the stuff. When he goes to his pawnbroker after and is like, I think I can get a Lichtenstein. She's like, I don't deal with that. Like, that's a whole other area of crime. That part is kind of interesting. But anyway, he's going to steal the ring. The housekeeper is alone in the house. Her name is Elena. She's played by Amy Carrero. And she catches him, pulls a gun on him. And so then in the next episode, it starts with them, like, coming to terms where she's like, I know everything about this neighborhood. I'm going to help you because all of the housekeepers and all the house staffers talk. And I can get you information that's going to be useful. and as soon as that happens it's like it makes him somewhat more interesting like sympathetic like it it does kick their whole thing into a higher gear but it also just made me think this show should be told from her perspective like it should start with her catching him doing that and then take it from there because like that's to me that's the more interesting story right because her whole thing is like i need to get my parents here from the dr this is our only chance blah blah blah and like you know she also has a background in crime that's why her parents sent her to the US like all of that is more interesting it's like that's the better show to. Dave: [8:49] Learn more about crime. Tara: [8:50] No no to get her away from the bad element you gotta learn from the best you know well I mean that's what ended up happening but Don Draper, but I just feel like I mean as much as I I don't want to shit talk Jonathan Tropper I loved Warrior I think we all did but I just think his imagination fails him here where he's like I'm a guy like this guy This is the story I want to tell. Dave: [9:13] Because all those family, you're like, pass. Just like whenever the family's on screen, just like, I don't care. Just like get to the crime stuff, I guess. Tara: [9:21] Especially the son, boo. Dave: [9:22] Especially the son. Tara: [9:23] It's always the younger son on a cable show. It's like, I don't care that you're sad. Dave: [9:28] We don't need to talk about Kevin. Tara: [9:30] No. Dave: [9:31] At all. Sarah: [9:32] Incorporate the family then. The whole like NBA player part of it, like that they were besties before is not believable. Tara: [9:40] Right. To me Mm-hmm. Sarah: [9:42] There are parts of this that are really well-observed and well-paced. You noted in your review that Amanda Peet is giving dimension to something that is really just kind of like, all she is is the catalyzing bitch ex-wife, but it's Amanda Peet, so you're actually getting something from it. And I understand that this was sold on the strength, probably, of Jon Hamm and how believable can we make him as a member of a protected class? Not very. But I think you're right that it's like, lean into the process and then bring some more interesting, less privileged characters into it. The minute I got in your review to the part where it's like, oh, it's a flashback to their days at Princeton, I was like, well, now I extra hate these actors because I probably knew them. Like, nope. Tara: [10:39] Yeah. Sarah: [10:39] I wanted to like it, but I also wanted to like it over 112 minutes. Tara: [10:47] Also, I mean, the catalyzing event is that he realizes his neighbors never lock their doors. Like, sometimes we burn heartache on ourselves. But I also just didn't buy that. Like, I mean, the idea that like they're living in this presumably gated community where there's like a private security force that they're like, eh, we don't need to arm our security system every single night. Like, fine. But when you're going to Belize, lock a door. What the fuck? Yeah. I just didn't find that credible. Sarah: [11:16] Well, like our Wall Street bedroom community house that I grew up in, which my dad is still living in. And he is like, I mean, he does not lock doors. I'm like, but you're going to be out of state. He's like, but everything I need is either in a safe deposit box or it's with me. Like if they want to take some of your mom's old shoes, I guess they can. We should take those to goodwill anyway. way. I mean, I think sometimes people just get complacent that way, especially in a wealthy suburb. Tara: [11:47] Okay. Well, now I know. Dave: [11:48] Now you know who to rob. Sarah: [11:50] I know. Well, and this is a house that we were robbed while we were home back in the 80s, but there is a burglar alarm, but I don't know if it even still works. So I don't know. Tara: [12:02] Yeah. Dave: [12:03] It's just one of those boxing gloves on the extendo arms. Sarah: [12:07] Yeah. Dave: [12:07] Open the door. Ow. Well, that's going to maybe leave a mark. Tara: [12:12] Maybe. It's a can of water suspended over the front door. Yeah. Sarah: [12:17] Mm-hmm. Saran wrap with Crisco on it. Tara: [12:21] Yeah. Dave: [12:22] I think we're writing season two right here. Sarah: [12:26] We are. Dave: [12:26] It's just all these naked gun-esque series of things that happened to Jon Hamm as he tries to tackle his first robbery season two. Tara: [12:33] Yeah. Dave: [12:34] Boxing glove in the face, full of Crisco. Sarah: [12:36] Sure. Dave: [12:36] Falls down some stairs, gets his head stuck in a bucket. You know how this goes. We've all done some crime in our lives. Tara: [12:42] I mean, his Fletch didn't work out, but maybe this could, so. Sarah: [12:46] Yeah. Home Alone colon the Coopening. Tara: [12:49] Right. Sarah: [12:49] Sure. Tara: [12:50] I mean, we'll see what comes or it won't because I'm not going to keep watching. Not for me. I don't know who it's for, to be completely honest. Dave: [13:06] You know what Jon Hamm loves? This theme. He called the episode Dave. I love this theme. I'd like to do a voiceover for it. And I said, it's fine as is. Tara: [13:24] It took me a second to realize you were saying it's fine as is because we were just talking about him being in finances because that's initially what I heard, but now I get it. Dave: [13:34] It could be both things. It's finances. Basically, that's what the money's for. Tara: [13:38] That's right. Dave: [13:39] Yeah. All right. What was this again? Ask EHG. I tells you. Tara: [13:45] That's right. And before we get to your questions. Dave: [13:49] Cylinders, do trains have cylinders? Tara: [13:54] No, it's cars. I mean, I guess they do. Dave: [13:57] There's probably got cylinders somewhere, just in case. Tara: [13:59] Sure. Dave: [14:00] Weekend's coming up. Only got two cylinders left. Ask EHG questions are coming soon. Sarah: [14:06] That works. Tara: [14:07] But first. Dave: [14:09] But first, who cares? But first, Ask Ask ESG judgment must be given. And our judge this week is Tara. Tara: [14:17] It is, in fact, me. Last week's question came to us from Erica. It was, what is your favorite vanity-free TV performance? Sarah, I know you have an answer. What is it? Sarah: [14:29] I do. It's actually broader than the actual question. But I had a couple of performances in mind from Dylan Baker, Colin Sweeney on The Good Wife, his double agent character on the americans dylan baker knows exactly what he is usually cast for and is unafraid to be the very most repellent iteration of that thing skeevy grouchy pervy covered in bio terror boils whatever it is i'm actually shocked that he could even work again after his role in happiness in the late 90s and that performance was absolutely a hallmark of what he does, and I'm glad that he is still allowed to do it because no one does it like him. Tara: [15:13] Mine is one that I already had in my notes, and then you said it in so many words in our main episode on Wednesday. It's maybe not my favorite. It's certainly the most recent, though. Jay Duplass as Steve in Dying for Sex, just willing to go there as the worst guy in your office and thinks he's the best. Sarah: [15:31] It definitely is. Tara: [15:33] Just gets better as the series goes on. I mean, he sort of drops away, but every time he comes back, you're like, yep, he's still that guy. I mean, I don't hate him, but I don't like him either, and it wouldn't work if not for him. So good job to Jay. Sarah: [15:46] Some women's studies guy. Tara: [15:48] That's right. Some answers from our listeners. Johnny Assey said, if one-off guest appearances count, I'll pander to Dave and submit Patrick Stewart on extras. Well, Dave's not your judge this week, but it still worked on me. Dave: [16:01] Yeah. Yeah, I've seen everything. Tara: [16:03] He's seen it all. Grizzly Claire said, Jessica Biel as Jessica Biel on BoJack Horseman is a long form self-burned. Very true. Mandrake said, one that I think Sarah will resonate with, minus Sarah Lancashire in Happy Valley and to a lesser extent, other people in Happy Valley like Steve Pemberton. That was a rare show where I thought it must be hard to maintain that emotional intensity for six hour long episodes. But our winner, also a pander to Sarah, but me as well, comes from Wrightwood. Adam Pally in Happy Endings. Always funny, no shame. For example, mixing eggnog in his mouth and provided a video of same. I didn't need to see it because I remembered it. But yes, Adam Pally in Happy Endings. Great one. So thank you, Wrightwood. You win a sticker. Dave: [16:52] You win your own sticker, Wrightwood. Tara: [16:54] Yep. Dave: [16:55] All her clothes fall off. Yes, and she's scrabbling around to get them back on again. But even before she can get her knickers on, I've seen everything. All right. Gravity has our first question. Which reality competition hosts would be best at their own game? Tara: [17:11] I would say Phil Kogan of The Amazing Race. He is friendly. He's patient. He's good-natured. He's famous. And he's a world traveler. I think he would be very comfortable doing whatever they require you to do on The Amazing Race, which is usually a lot of annoying running around and trying to get locals to help you. And I think he would be fantastic at that and find it actually probably pretty easy. Sarah? Sarah: [17:36] Yeah. Yeah, my notes read, quote, I bet the entire panel's default here will be Phil Kogan. I don't disagree, but I had a backup, which is Prue Leith from Baking Show. She seems unflappable in a way that is very useful during the bakes, especially when weather events are making themselves felt, which is increasingly happening in recent series. And obviously she has the experience. The only drawback is, are her extremely large statement necklaces going to get dipped in batter? But I assume she has a plan for that. Dave? Dave: [18:11] I went with Nicole Byer on Nailed It, because success here is measured as being entertaining on the show, like on the train wreck of the show. I don't believe that she probably learned actually anything about baking while on the show. So I think if she went on as a contestant, she would produce terrible cakes, just like the rest of us. Jovial gent, what is something you know a lot about, but wish you didn't? Sarah. Sarah: [18:38] Feline parasite. AMA. Dave. Dave: [18:42] How many chairs in my parents' house have been pooped in? Tara. Tara: [18:47] Wow, we all are kind of on the same page. Mine is pet stain removal. Sarah: [18:52] Yeah. Dave: [18:54] All right. Tara: [18:55] Yeah. Dave: [18:56] The answer's not none. That's the problem. Tara: [18:59] Mm-hmm. Dave: [19:00] If the answer was none, I'd be okay with it. But it's not. Dr. Calhoun. It used to be more common for TV shows to get animated spinoffs like Star Trek, the animated series, or The Fonz and the Happy Days Gang. What contemporary show needs an animated spinoff? Now, we're pretty sure we've done something like this before, but it's been a little bit. And guess what? New shows all the time. Tara: [19:21] Yep. Dave: [19:21] So my choice, and it's sort of based on the Star Trek that all here, is Space Show for All Mankind. Sarah: [19:29] Oh, yes. Dave: [19:31] And here's how Ed could finally live forever. Because you can just age him up a little bit. A couple more crow's feet. A couple more little dots on his face each season. And it is 2105. Ed's still alive. He's now moon emperor for some reason. Sarah: [19:49] Oh, my God. Dave: [19:50] And the show lives forever. Sarah: [19:52] Love that. Tara: [19:53] Well, it's funny that you say that because it's not that uncommon or it's getting less common as time goes on. Because recently there have been a couple of animated sequels to older sitcoms such as Everybody Hates Chris last year. I think it was called Everybody Still Hates Chris. And they're doing a forthcoming Married with Children animated sequel. The idea being we can just pick up where we left off and not acknowledge the passing of time. So this is already going on. They also did good times, but that was like, you know, all of the original cast are not all many of the original cast members have have left us. So that was just all new characters and new voices. But anyway, so with the idea of picking up where a live action show left off in mind, my pick is Strangers with Candy, which was practically a cartoon to begin with. I did check. Like, Jerry never did graduated from high school in the original series, so an animated show could just continue indefinitely with just her in high school for eternity. Sarah? Sarah: [20:53] I went with Paradise because I just think it actually would feel more grounded and less deranged as a cartoon because it already kind of is a cartoon that they didn't think anything through with. So that would be a lot more. That would let them do more of what they want to do and have us question it less. Dave: [21:13] I don't know if it would be as fulfilling though, but is there something about like the sets and stuff, knowing that somebody had built them that makes them, makes the world in which they live more ludicrous than it would be if it was a cartoon. Sarah: [21:25] Right? Dave: [21:25] Because like, okay, where is that carnival stored? Sarah: [21:29] Yeah, I don't not enjoy it as live action ludicrosity. I'm just saying that might be a good opportunity. Dave: [21:36] Right. Erica, my coworker hums all day, every day, making me wish I had a Get Smart style cone of silence. What impossible or futuristic device from TV do you wish you had to make your everyday life just that little bit more bearable? Tara? Tara: [21:53] Well, this is a bit of a preview for the new season of Black Mirror, which we'll be talking about in the main show. So it is out today as we're recording this, so I'm not officially spoiling anything. Dave: [22:04] Is it a phone? Because you already have that. Tara: [22:05] Oh, shit. No, it's not. It's technology called Redream that lets an actor of the present day essentially enter the entire world of a movie and take over a role for one of the existing performers. And it all seems completely real to you. It's like, you know, sort of like the Callister technology from that episode where it's just like you put on the little mesmerizer, the nubbin, you're in it, you can touch things, people can touch you, it's all real. And you could, you know, I could live my dream of being Frank Abigail Jr. and catch me if you can. Dave: [22:38] It sounds like the holodeck. Tara: [22:40] Okay, fine. Then the holodeck. Dave: [22:43] That's what you want? You just want a holodeck? Tara: [22:45] Yeah, I think it would be fun. Dave: [22:46] Yeah, we just said that for you. Just got to worry about all the Moriartys. Tara: [22:51] There's one i'm not. Dave: [22:52] That worried about including aaron, all right she'll be fine dr dr flim flan's miracle cream from futurama is what i'm it's not technically a gadget but it's certainly made with modern technology futuristic technology that's just a ben gay of the future that actually gives you superpowers when you put it on yourself turns everybody into crime fighting alter ego i don't need it for that part i actually don't want go fighting crime i just feel like this. Dave: [23:18] Is like a really just effective mega dose of advil which i could always use these days just a really good muscle relaxer i think if i need to fly somewhere in a pinch sure. Sarah: [23:30] In an effort to just sort of subtract the experience of traveling on I-95 in the summertime, all kinds of Knight Rider technology, including Super Pursuit mode, complete with the flippy license plates that are like KN1378. In the event that I get pulled over, I would honestly settle for regular pursuit mode. But I think what I actually want is to just drive my Mini, named DB Cooper, by the way, into a big tractor trailer and then just be let out in Massachusetts and not have to think about it. I could just sleep, play games, whatever. And then once we get into Fall River, fine. I could take it from here. Dave: [24:15] Literally an Uber for your car. Sarah: [24:17] Yeah. Dave: [24:18] Uber, Uber. Sarah: [24:19] Yeah, or like Land Ferry. Fine. Dave: [24:23] Carmouth.biz. Fandy has her next question. Carmouth.biz. I was going to see if that's available. Sarah: [24:35] Your mom.biz. Dave: [24:36] What do you do when you can't get to sleep? Sarah, can't sleep. Sarah: [24:41] Oh my God, this is so relevant today. It really depends on why I can't get to sleep. Last night, it was like all pets being cocks. So if it's an environmental factor, by which I mean pets being cocks or my husband snoring, I just get up and go to another room. And if I can't get to sleep for a certain length of time, like we've all read the, you know, don't associate insomnia with where you are supposed to be sleeping, get up and go do something else somewhere else. But if it's just I can't turn my mind off and I am tired and pets are also asleep, Thank you. I play the celebrity name game with myself, with baseball players, and I have now done that enough times successfully that I only really need to get eight or nine names in, but because it's associated with sleeping, I just drift off. So that's what I usually do. I've had some sleep issues in the past, but at this point, it's just people fighting for mattress territory, and sometimes I lose, like last night. Yeah. Tara? Tara: [25:47] I have a couple. The classic is I recite Hail Marys in my head, not because I'm praying to go to sleep, but just because the drone of it bores you to sleep. Yep. I just... He's shaking his head. Dave: [26:02] Oh, you Catholics. Tara: [26:03] It's a technique I did. It was suggested to me by my mother, so perhaps there is something to that. Dave: [26:09] Finally, this God thing's paying out. Tara: [26:10] I sometimes try to, just to mix it up, think of as many one-syllable words as I can or five-letter words as I can. I've also tried, like, just naming everything in the room mentally. Apparently that's also a technique to get you out of panic attacks, I guess. But the thing that is most likely to lull me to sleep is to put on a multi-cabin sitcom because the laugh track is crucial and so are the commercial breaks. Just close my eyes. This is why fucking Nick at Night changing up their schedule so that now it's Big Bang Theory at midnight instead of like 17 hours of Friends in a row right at nighttime, which was perfect for me because there is not an episode of Friends that I haven't seen many enough times to practically be able to recite it. Dave: [26:56] You can't fall asleep with all those bazingas being thrown around. Tara: [26:58] Exactly. Dave: [26:59] It's too energetic. Tara: [27:00] Yes. Dave: [27:01] Just fills you up with power. Energy. Bazinga. Tara: [27:05] Those are mine, Dave. Dave. Dave: [27:09] You read yeah if it's if it's a light can't sleep i'll read if it's a heavy can't sleep i'll just get up and do some work for an hour or two and see where things act because there's sometimes you can tell it's like well this is not happening you know i can try but i'll just be staring at the pillow for the next two hours so yeah might as well get up might as well get up and go for a soda. Nobody cries. Kim Mitchell. Elsbeth. Sarah: [27:36] Insomnia. Gimme, gimme, gimme the sleep. Dave: [27:43] Which TV writer's room would you like to script your next birthday and how would it go? I'm going to say American Primeval and it's going to go poorly. Tara: [27:54] Did you say this is from Elsbeth? Dave: [27:56] I think so. Tara: [27:57] Okay, it is. Dave: [27:58] If I didn't, that's who it was from. Tara: [28:00] Yep. Dave: [28:00] And if I did, that's like three times we mentioned her name. Lucky day. Sarah. Sarah: [28:08] This is a really fun question, Elspeth. I think I will go with B-B-B-B-Bosh, colon, Legacy's Writer's Room. It would not be a perfect day because of, you know, the jazz, but they respect the value and the desires of the middle-aged, and they could give me a comparatively lightweight mystery to solve, like who took my birthday pie and why do I instead have a box of a dozen raisin scones with Krugerrands scattered around the box? That just lets me spend the day snacking around the raisins and watching Moe hack into government databases, which is the dream, because I am old and weird. Tara? Tara: [28:48] I'm going to say Seinfeld because at least at Elaine's office, That cake was hitting and I might end up with $156 cash from my best friend. which is what she got on another birthday. And a bench, which is what she actually wanted. Dave: [29:05] L triple B. Does anyone else take a Sorkin-less newsroom spinoff with the Olivia Munn Thomas Sadowski? That's fun to say. That's like what the panda does. You know, he's all like, oh, here comes a big martial arts move. The Kung Fu Panda Sadowski. Tara: [29:23] You're getting further away from what his actual name is. Dave: [29:26] Sadowski. And then boom. Everything explodes. Tara: [29:31] Yep. Sarah: [29:32] Gesundheit. Dave: [29:32] Picking that question back up with the Olivia and Thomas characters would be enjoyable. I'm leaving for those questions. I've never watched that show. Tara: [29:42] Yeah, I'm surprised Sarah's still going to be here. But yeah. Dave: [29:45] Skadoosh! Tara: [29:46] My answer is no. I like her. But he is not it. And he was even less it by the end, in my opinion. Sarah. Sarah: [29:55] I only got through like 14 minutes of that show to start with. Olivia Munn was the only reason it wasn't 1.4 minutes. So I would try it. But yeah, Sadowski is not great. Tara: [30:07] Was she even in the first episode? Sarah: [30:08] Fun to say wrong. Other than that, nothing. Tara: [30:10] I thought she wasn't introduced until later. Okay, I'm going to check this. Dave: [30:15] Put on blast. Tara: [30:17] No, I'm just... Dave: [30:17] Put on newsroom blast. Sarah: [30:19] Yes. Tara: [30:20] Fact-checking the newsroom, exactly. The best use of my time. Dave: [30:23] One thing I don't get about the newsroom is why was Thomas' character's dad a duck? Like, because he's a panda and he's a duck. It didn't make any sense. Tara: [30:35] All right, Sarah did probably see Olivia Munn. She wasn't a pilot. Sorry, Sarah. Dave: [30:39] Great. Pete Sicari has got our next question. What current show should change its credits to a Love Boat-style montage? She also wants us to add one or two wacky guest stars of the week and describe the ridiculous faces they will pull during the credit sequence. All right. Pizza Carry wants all that, Sarah. Deliver! Sarah: [30:59] Will do. The Handmaids. Soon we'll be making another run for the border. Instead of a life preserver frame in the credits, it is the hood cloche things the Handmaids wear on their heads. This week, it's Ralph Fiennes doing a big, broad, Catherine Han, whole face wink. And Niecy Nash doing finger guns. Tara: [31:24] Dave. Dave: [31:25] I'm going to go with the studio. Each guest star's graphics package is tailored to their in-universe project they are working on. So it's Martin Scorsese, and he looks at the camera, but he's inside of the Kool-Aid Man space, like Jug. And then Matt Berry is one of the guest stars because he's going to be the voice of the Kool-Aid Man in that movie in the universe. Sarah: [31:46] Oh, God, yes. Dave: [31:47] And what he does is he pretends to drink his own brains in the intro because he's a Kool-Aid Man. He's got a straw, and it goes up to the top of his head. So he'll erase a little bit. It takes three seconds to pull off. And we got Steve Buschkemi there, who just shrugs at the camera with his eyes bulging, and that's his shtick. Tara: [32:02] Mm-hmm. Dave: [32:03] Yep. Tara. Tara: [32:04] I mean, my actual answer, Dr. Odyssey, but I said that for an answer last week. So in the interest of mixing it up, I'm going to say Elsbeth. We've got Carrie Preston walking into the Life Preserver from very far away, so we can see how many bags she has on. Richard Kind, and yes, I double-checked. No, he hasn't already actually done the show, but I'm sure he's coming. He does, you know, his usual huge open mouth grin and big wave. Then a Broadway star, LaShawns, she's going to be singing in the shower. And finally, Alan Cumming as Eli Gold. He's on the phone yelling at someone and he puts his hand in the camera to close out his little appearance. Sarah: [32:40] This was a nice bit of business, everybody. Well done. Dave: [32:46] Oh, my God. Sarah: [32:51] This is when we lost everything. Dave: [32:55] Tara, how could you? Nora has our next question. My mom keeps telling me that she's Tivo-ing Severance. What do you think she's actually doing? Nora, your mom is having sex with your neighbor. Tara: [33:12] I think she's probably just breaking up her watching by pausing it a lot, which, you know, an older person might think of as Tivo-ing because that was not technology they had before Tivo. Otherwise, I don't know, Sarah. Sarah: [33:27] I think she's just dvr-ing it. Tara: [33:30] But you can't dvr it it's not an apple tv. Dave: [33:32] Oh yes sarah explain that that's. Tara: [33:35] That's why that's why that answer the question i think. Sarah: [33:37] Yeah yeah uh then i gotta agree with dave bone in the neighbor. Dave: [33:43] Thank you suly rhymes with julie what are the best national parks of canada tara national parks of canada what a big parks fan you are big camper big outdoors person? Tara: [33:56] Yeah. I don't know because I had to pull up a list of all of the national parks of Canada. There are 37. I've been to one, which is the Thousand Islands. And that's because our family friends had a cottage there. Yeah. Dave: [34:09] Have you been to all Thousand Islands? Tara: [34:11] Have not been to all. Dave: [34:12] Have you tried their dressing? Tara: [34:13] I have certainly tried their dressing for sure. Sarah: [34:16] Little known fact, there are only 940. Dave: [34:19] Are you saying nature's shortchanges 60 islands, Sarah? Sarah: [34:23] I'm saying someone lost count. Tara: [34:25] I see. Sarah: [34:26] Before they were gored by a moose. Tara: [34:28] So yeah, don't know. Sorry. Dave: [34:29] What if the national parks were fast food franchises? Could you answer the question then? What are Canada's best national parks? Tara: [34:39] Harvey's? Dave: [34:39] Yeah, Harvey's is pretty good. Tara: [34:41] Does Harvey's still exist? Sarah: [34:42] What was the chicken place? Oh, yeah. Tara: [34:44] The chicken place. Dave: [34:45] The chicken place chalet. Tara: [34:46] Oh yeah swish la it's more of a fast casual but yes swish la is good. Dave: [34:51] All the parks in the rockies are the best ones your bamf glacier jasper sorry nice but less scenic parks elsewhere but you know it's true so those other parks can go cram it with park walnuts again for clemp because i've recently lost something very important to me and this question is all about that. It comes from Pyra. What is your most loved clothing item you will have until it falls into rags because you love it too much to get rid of it? Sarah? Sarah: [35:22] I recently lost a extremely polyester zip back turtleneck of my grandmother's that she was wearing in her last license photo. My grandmother was an extremely teeny person, 5'1", 105 soaking wet, but I could still wear this because it was so stretchy, but the zipper subsided recently. And I had to sort of condo it and then put it in the Goodwill bag. Like someone will know how to fix this, but it is not me. The actual answer is Gap Body used to make the perfect rib tank top, scoop neck, little tacked, like, I don't even know what you would call that. It's not exactly a pleat, but they were perfect. They were cheap. They came in a million colors and they stopped making them. I don't know why, but I do have them in every color and I will cling to the ones I have until they just disintegrate and blow away in the wind like pollen. Someone who works at Gap Industries, please bring those things back. You can charge whatever you want, but they really were perfect. Layering alone, wear them out, wear them in bed. I miss them. Sigh. Tara. Tara: [36:32] When we were off in December, one of my projects was to do a major closet cull. And so four bags of my clothes went to Goodwill. If you're in Austin, you will probably find them at the one on Anderson. Enjoy. But this cull left me with only one skirt. And I rarely wear a skirt. I have some dresses. I wear those, I guess, a little more often. But, you know, as I've said in previous episodes, I'm sweatpants all the time, except when I'm sweatshorts. But this one skirt, it's from Bowdoin. It's like a, you know, crazy pattern, crazy print. Like I love big, large scale print, which I also love multicolored, just a pull on situation. Very easy to wear goes with like any kind of shirt. And I wore it last week to get my haircut and it has stretched. I'm not going to say I lost weight because I know I haven't. But at some point it's stretched out. This is my last skirt. And I really am like in a crisis right now because it is just an elastic waist. do I take it to the tailor and see if they can like do something to tighten it up or take it in? Because I really love this skirt and I might. So that's my answer. Sarah: [37:38] You should. Tara: [37:39] Okay. You talk me into it. Dave. Dave: [37:41] I have two sad tales. They're both the same story of the dying Jersey hoodie. Tara: [37:46] Yeah. Dave: [37:47] One from many years ago where I had a long sleeve sort of creamy gray one with a couple stripy accents. Tara: [37:53] Oh yeah. Dave: [37:53] And eventually I got a hole in the elbow and I couldn't wear it anymore. And I rode that thing. I was like four or five years at least. And then recently I had a old, Old Navy Jersey hoodie. Now, you know, this is what I like. I don't like a heavy hoodie. I like t-shirt style thickness, Jersey, little hoodie. And they had this sort of like red one, uh, Heather red. And it had so many little moth holes in it. By the time I finally had to throw it away. And the reason why I really had to throw it away, like some moth holes, I'm like, eh, you know, it's got a, it's got that ripped jean kind of thing to it. Tara: [38:25] They're not moth holes. We don't have moths. They're just wear. They're from wear. Dave: [38:29] Yeah, I know. But that's what it looks like. Tara: [38:30] Yes. Dave: [38:31] I put keys in the pockets of them. And then like I had two different key things popping out of two different holes in that pocket. So it was the universe's way of telling me to get rid of it. But there is something about a well-worn jersey. And we did get a replacement for the red one. But, you know, it's all thick again. And it's not as, you know, it's not as light. So, you know, it's going to take some time to fall in love with this new one. Tara: [38:54] But we did find a new source for this garment because you wear them all the time so that's good for me. Sarah: [39:00] And if you're not content with that source, if I may suggest, and I don't work for them. Dave: [39:06] Exhibit B's hoodies. Sarah: [39:08] I mean, I'm thinking about it, but that's a different conversation. I have to see if my friend can screen print Deep Throat from all the president's men on the back with his smoke rising. But anyway, Society6, which is like artists have their art. And then depending on the artist, you can put it on a ceramic tray. You can put it on a fuzzy blanket. I found a hoodie, which was like the Abominable Snowman and Yeti, like holding hands on a roller coaster, which is perfect for my husband. And he seriously wears it every day. And it is that wonderful, like lightweight, non-lined, already feels pretty soft. So find a design you like and get after it. Dave: [39:50] Let's check that out. All right. That is it for us. Now here comes the Ask EASG question. As always, you need to go to the Discord to answer it. and it comes from Simone this week. She asks, what two actors do you think should play siblings? So you got two actors. They're not really siblings in real life, but in the imagination of Hollywood, they are. Who are they? And we want you to make your case for them. Go to the Ask Ask ESG channel on Discord. Plop in your answer there. We'll be back soon with judgment on that. And the winner gets a free cake sticker with a wrestler question mark on it. You really have to talk to Whitewood to get the full story on it. I just think it's hilarious. And we usually throw some other stickers in there as well. So we'll see you on the Discord. Dave: [40:39] It is time for the Tiny Cannon. Presenting this week, it's Tara. Tara: [40:44] Hello. What would you do if a friend brought you a cookie? If your answer is thank them, eat it, and move on with my life, congratulations. You are normal. If your answer is be vaguely offended at the imposition of the gift and obsess about why they did it, welcome to the Extra Hot Great Club, Nick Miller. I never would have guessed you were the kind of person who would spend money on internet content or that you specifically could even figure out how Patreon works. This is, in fact, the scenario in New Girl, season two, episode five, Models. Schmidt, played by Max Greenfield, comes home one day and gives Nick, Jake Johnson, a cookie for no particular reason. He was out. He was thinking of Nick. He saw the cookie and he bought it. Doesn't Nick ever think about Schmidt? Of course not, says Nick, moving on heedlessly with talk about the turtle he wants to get until Schmidt confronts him about saying he never thinks about Schmidt. Tara: [41:35] Later says it hurts his feelings not to have all the acts of service he does for Nick acknowledged in any way, things like recording Nick's shows, lining up Nick's shoes by the door, cleaning Nick's room, and providing a turndown service at bedtime. Nick is even more stunned when Schmidt gets upset enough about it to cry. It eventually comes out that Nick and Schmidt are coming up on their 10th anniversary as roommates, which is probably why Schmidt is taking this light particularly hard. Nick admits to Jess that his anxiety about the cookie and everything else is because he doesn't think he deserves to be loved with the intensity that Schmidt loves him. But Nick does love Schmidt, too, in his stunted way, and he comes up with an idea he thinks will end their dispute. Clip one. Schmidt, I got you something, man. Tara: [42:59] Gave me a cookie, got you cookie. We're even, we're even, Schmidt. What counts as a big gesture for Nick would be a small gesture for anyone else, but that's what makes the moment work. It doesn't overreach. The cookie is a gateway to Nick blurting that Schmidt loves him too much and that Nick thinks Schmidt bet on the wrong guy when Schmidt bet on him. Nick cries too as he tells Schmidt he's going to let him down. And then clip two. What about the turtle? You're the only turtle, Yeah, man. You're the turtle. The guys get through their emotional catharsis, group hug, mutual, I love yous are exchanged, and then return to their business. We leave the episode knowing they will have some version of this fight again, but Nick makes the tiny amount of progress toward being a functional person. A cookie-sized amount, you might say. New girl gave me cookie. I got extra, extra hot, great panel cookie. What do you want from me? Dave: [44:01] Thank you, Tara. Sarah, you want to go first or last on this one? Sarah: [44:05] I will go first. Dave: [44:06] All right. Please do. Sarah: [44:07] I think that Tara's point that this doesn't overreach is really the trick. I mean, I think it could have been paced up maybe a little bit, but it is absolutely committed to what it's trying to do within the character set. Like the line about, you know, I didn't know what to get you. I thought about getting you ramen, but I think you eat that fancy ramen with figs in it was perfect. That Winston returns to after the love fest is like, well, I'm just going to eat my sandwich here. It's a good sandwich. That there's a return to a food item to return to everybody's more masculinized baseline is very funny. But I think the not overreaching is key, that this is what needs to happen and in this way and it does happen for them emotionally and even though it seems kind of like there are emotional delays for some of these characters i think that's correct i think that's what they're like and the cookie just the delivery of this is so terrible like it really it really is pretty terrible so yeah excellent presentation and i i laughed a couple times so well done dave. Dave: [45:19] I think as a whole, it's a little weaker than if you just like did the cookie bit. Nick's stammering cookie bit because it does take a while to get from there to a resolution where it felt like the resolution should have been right on the heels of that. Just Nick's stumbling over everything to do with a cookie from, you know, trying to personalize the black and white cookie you bought to just saying cookie a lot and just being really out of his element trying to make peace via the cookie and the cookie speech is enough alone to make me put this in all right sarah d bunting let's make this official for the tiny reconciliation canon what say you yay or nay yeah. Sarah: [46:01] I agree that i i might have um shaved down the the key moments but the show itself didn't and it still worked so it's a yay for me. Dave: [46:09] All right me too so Oh, new girl. Nick giving Schmidt a cookie. You are hereby inducted into the extra hot, great, tiny reconciliation cannon. Dave: [46:22] Americans love a winner. Yep. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. It is time to discover who is not quite winner and loser of the week. I will go first with our first not quite winner. It is Mobland or Mobland. We're still not sure. Jury's out. although the second episode was better than the first yeah I'm mostly bringing this up because well this is Paramount's biggest ever global launch hooray for them yay I'm so happy for Paramount Plus, But I just want to bring this up because we were like 10 minutes into the second episode and Tara's like, this is what I think is happening. I'm like, ah, fuck, you're actually right. This is what's happening. So here, Tara, is your chance to explain your theory about what's going on in the Mobland universe. And we'll spoiler tag this because I think you're probably right. Tara: [47:07] It's just speculation. Dave: [47:08] It's just speculation. You don't know. She hasn't been watching ahead of time. We're still on the same schedule as everybody else. Sarah: [47:15] Nonscreener privilege timeline. Yeah. Dave: [47:20] All right. So what is it? Tara: [47:21] So my theory after, at the end of the first episode, and I didn't say it then, was that because the Helen Mirren character, Maeve, she seemed like she was slightly off a couple of times. When Archie comes in, she's like, I thought you were dead. And they have a whole exchange about it. Later on, when Harry calls and is like, you know, what do you want me to do with this guy when he comes out? And it's like, stick or twist, stick or twist. And then she asks Conrad, like, which one is which? Like, she doesn't remember. And then in the second episode, it's sort of all about everyone saying it was completely out of character for Conrad to do what he did. It doesn't make sense. No one gets it. And, you know, it seems like probably Archie was an informant and that's why whatever. But we don't know why how Maeve knows that. Anyway, my theory is that she is starting to go senile. She's having memory loss issues and that that's why she's giving Conrad bad advice. And it's going to turn out that that's that's the reason everyone is confused about why they're making certain decisions is because they are not based. you know, recognizable reality. Again, just a theory, but I definitely have noticed in the past, like I'll say five years, characters with memory loss are like increasingly a TV storyline. Dave: [48:34] Or are they? Tara: [48:34] Well. Dave: [48:35] I don't remember too many. Tara: [48:37] I get it. So that's my speculation. Dave: [48:42] All right. Very good. I think you're probably right on that. Tara: [48:44] We'll see. Dave: [48:45] Yeah. I was just like, when somebody got to punch the other guy, I wasn't paying attention to everything that was going on. Tara: [48:49] Well, and then at the end of the episode, someone ends up in parts. Dave: [48:51] Pretty great. Tara: [48:52] It's really good. Dave: [48:53] Yeah. All right, Sarah. Loser is... Sarah: [48:56] B-b-b-b-bosh! Dave: [48:58] The dishwasher maker. Tara: [49:00] Yes. Dave: [49:00] Those guys. Tara: [49:01] The manufacturer, not the TV character. Dave: [49:02] Not the TV guy. Stressing that they did not... Guys, we did not provide the blender used in the finale of White Lotus. Guys, that wasn't us. If it was one of ours, we didn't give it to him. Tara: [49:16] No. Dave: [49:16] We don't condone that kind of thing. Not here at b-b-b-bosh. Tara: [49:20] Don't know him, can't vouch for it. Dave: [49:21] Yeah, don't know what Ken votes for. It's the Family Dishwasher Company. Boss, we want to keep you alive. All right. Sarah D. Bunding, winner of the week. Not quite. Sarah: [49:33] Okay, my not quite winner of the week is Mariska Hargitay. She'll be directing a documentary for HBO about her mother, Jane Mansfield, out this summer. Again, it's on HBO. She already directed a documentary about the unacceptable backlog of untested rape kits, I believe. It was a few years ago, I think, in the before time. It wasn't anything groundbreaking, but she's been around the biz enough to know how to build this stuff. And HBO's documentary about Ethel Kennedy by her daughter, Rory, was very good and watchable. So I am looking forward to this one. Loser of the week, not quite, once again. I mean, he's the loser of every week, truly. But as long as there's headlines, I'm going to keep dragging him in here and dragging him. Brian Austin Green, who's getting roasted by means of a bright green child actor margarita that you can order at Machine Gun Kelly's 27 Club Coffee Lounge. I mean, granted, it's Cleveland. So how many people are actually going to know that this is a burn or care? Maybe not that many. But the announcement of this by 27 Club Coffee is as follows. We put a childish twist on the margarita meant for those days when you just don't want to act like an adult. And, you know, apparently it's a rancid green color per the cut. So, I mean, this is all extremely petty, but I am here for it. Tara. Tara: [51:02] My not quite winner of the week is Canada and really leaning on the not quite part because it is getting its own extension of the Jersey Shore franchise at Paramount Plus. Canada Shore is coming. Dave: [51:16] The famous Canada Shore. Tara: [51:19] Beautiful Canada Shore. Yeah. I mean, I guess maybe if it's set in the Bay of Fundy, I have no idea where they're doing this. But I'll watch one. Tara: [51:30] Loser of the week, not quite, is former Bachelor Clayton Eckerd, a man I had never heard of in my entire life until Gabby Windy, who was the runner up on his season. She has also subsequently gone on the Traders and won. She also did Dancing with the Stars. She's, you know, she's in that tier of celebrity question mark at this point. Anyway, she was on Las Culturistas last week, and she made fun of his new hobby, which is hip-hop dancing, and told the hosts of Las Culturistas that they should look him up. You'll wish you didn't have eyes. That was such a funny thing. But somehow this got back to him, and he did a post where he was like, you're bullying me. And, dude, you're a former NFL player, as far as I know. Actually, I'm not sure if it's the NFL. He's a former professional football player. Tara: [52:24] You're putting yourself out there as a hip-hop dancer, as whatever level of skill you have. I assume it's low. And you're at the same level. Like, she's not punching down. You're equals. She's not bullying you. She's roasting you. Like, take it with good grace. You're bad at dancing, I assume. I believe her. I believe women. and drawing attention to it only makes you look like a baby. So that's why you're the not quite loser of the week, former bachelor Clayton Eckerd. What a loser. Sarah: [53:01] Hello, grandpas. Welcome to the extra credit portion of our show. We are so happy that you're here. We would be remiss in not pointing out that if you had been here all along, you would have heard us talking about a whole bunch of other stuff, including whether to eat this very rich ham dish, what shows need love boat style credits, clothes that we will never throw out until they ball apart, and much, much more. There's a tiny canon about cookies. There's nothing here not to love. If you bump up that pledge, you will get the entire show while you are doing that. And if you're not, that's okay. We're glad you're here. On to today's topic. We have no choice but to TV stan. That's right. Today we are talking about important TV stans and Stanleys, first name or last name, real people, or fictional characters. We have each brought three. Hopefully, we did not overlap each other too much. I tried to avoid the obvious picks that I thought my co-host might take, but I am going to go first and make sure that no one else took this one. Herb Edelman's cheerful punchline of a performance as Dorothy Zbornak's ex-husband. Dave, could we hear clip one? I wonder who that could be. Tara: [54:22] I'm sure it's no one. Hi, it's me, Stan. See, what did I tell you? Sarah: [54:28] I mean, this ongoing runner with his terrible series of toupees that he just happily played into this punchline, this character who was already terrible before we ever laid eyes on him, but in such a fun way that was so easy for the Golden Girls writers to write for. He was the first Stan I thought of. And my husband often enters rooms with the very obvious, hi, it's me, Dan. So we loved that one. Trivia. How old would you guess Herb Edelman was at the time of Golden Girls? Tara: [55:04] 54. Sarah: [55:05] 52 when it started. Tara: [55:07] Yeah. Sarah: [55:08] My age. Oh, dear. Not what I would have guessed necessarily. He has been gone for some time and we miss him. But that is my first Stan. Who would like to go next? Tara: [55:19] My first stan is a stanley it is christopher stanley he is a prolific actor of stage and actually i don't know if he's on stage he's certainly on film and tv a lot but i know him first and best as henry francis from madman betty's hot as shit second husband also a bad person thank you but foxy i was into him and he still looks good so christopher stanley a.k.a. Henry Francis, my first stand. Dave? Sarah: [55:50] Excellent choice. Dave: [55:52] I'm going to go with my weirdest pick first, and just to say how much I love the name of this business that does a lot of advertising on TV. Tara: [56:05] Stanley steamer gets carpet cleaner. Dave: [56:08] I mean, I think we all know that a Stanley steamer isn't a carpet cleaning service. It has, in fact, something to do with poop on a little bit of a cold day. Tara: [56:19] That's a Cleveland steamer. Dave: [56:20] I don't care. I think Stanley steamer is some sort of flavor of Cleveland steamer. Tara: [56:25] Oh, don't say flavor. Dave: [56:26] It's either a subset or a superset. I'm not sure where we are in the steamer animal kingdom. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But I do love that jingle and I do love that name. And their whole corporate design Bible is perplexing as well because they're like taxicab yellow and like with a Western font that says Stanley Steamer with two E's. So I don't know what they're doing over there, but keep at it, guys. Tara: [56:53] Yes. Two E's in the middle. Three total. Sarah: [56:55] Pooping. That's what they're doing. Dave: [56:58] We're not doing. We're not sure exactly what the system is. Tara: [57:01] Sarah? Sarah: [57:01] No. I am going to go with Sebastian Stan as my next one. Probably highest profile TV thing recently was he played Tommy Lee in Pam and Tommy. He was also on Gossip Girl, the original, I think. But I had completely forgotten that he was in the Rip from the Headlines DC Sniper episode of Law and Order Mothership. Oh, damn. And he really is, I mean, I've watched The Apprentice. I wasn't happy about it, but I did it for work reasons. And as much as you don't want to spend time with his Trump, he inhabits and disappears into people really effectively. So I thought I would give him a shout out here because he was good in that, too, even though the character, so to say, is off pushing, shall we say. Tara: [57:54] Later today, I'm going to be interviewing Jason Manzoukas, who provided the voice in Pam and Tommy for Tommy's penis. And that is a true fact. Sarah: [58:04] I'm so happy for all of us. Tara: [58:06] And i have a question about it my second stan is another stanley it is alessandra stanley the controversial former new york times tv critic oh from her wikipedia i'm just quoting straight from this several news and media organizations including the times have criticized the accuracy of stanley's reporting among the articles they have criticized are a September 5th, 2005 piece on Hurricane Katrina, a 2005 article that mistakenly called the sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond All About Raymond, and a July 18th, 2009 retrospective on the career of Walter Cronkite that contained errors. The public editor defended her, but it says, acknowledged her history of errors. They called her a brilliant critic. I don't know, maybe. she's also a former instructor of a class called investigative viewing the art of television criticism at what princeton university sarah it's back again she's uh currently the co-founder of graden carter's newsletter airmail and the last thing that she was criticized for was them giving army hammer a platform to say some shit about shit and so she's still doing it but But Alessandra Stanley, former TV critic. Sarah: [59:26] That is an excellent pick. Well done. Tara: [59:28] Thank you so much. Dave. Dave: [59:29] How about I give a quick shout out to Stanley Hudson for his love of pretzel day on the office? I don't really care for the office as much as the general universe seems to, but I did enjoy how much Stanley loved pretzel day. That's something I think that if you're stuck in an office, you could really appreciate. If only for a few moments to have some sort of pretzel bread treat in your mouth and it's free, that's great. So I share his love. Tara: [59:55] There is a restaurant here that is on DoorDash, and sometimes I order from them. Even though their entrees are also very good, but they have an appetizer that's just like a big tray of pretzel buns with beer cheese, and fuck, it's so good. I love pretzels. Sarah: [1:00:10] Maybe that's what a Stanley steamer is. Involves a pretzel. Or a pretzel shape. Dave: [1:00:17] I'm not going to your restaurant, sir. Sorry. Sarah: [1:00:22] Well, you're not invited. Dave: [1:00:24] Great. Perfect. Sarah: [1:00:25] I know. Perfect. Everybody wins. I have a bunch of backup Stanleys, so I will still continue trying to avoid one that Tara or Dave might pick. And I'm going to go with Stanley Tucci's character in Fortitude, which is like way, way off model here. But here's why I like it, besides the fact that it's Stanley Tucci. And he has done a lot of TV stuff. It was just kind of back in the day. He was the defendant on Murder One. Speaking of poofs, the Benzelli. Tara: [1:00:58] Right. Sarah: [1:00:58] He's always late because he has to take a crap show. Dave: [1:01:01] It's really hard to work with defendant. I like just using cream cheese myself. Tara: [1:01:11] He also was in a Levi's Jeans commercial in the 80s. Sarah: [1:01:14] Yes, he was. That is correct. Tara: [1:01:17] When he still had a little hair. Sarah: [1:01:17] But what I like about that character is that he, I mean, it's an American. He has his home accent, so to say, but he works for the London Met and has been like dispatched to this Arctic outpost to help solve, I don't know, vampire crimes or whatever that show was about. He, I think then was functionally replaced by Dennis Quaid, which is what we call a glow down, I guess. sorry Dennis Quaid but like there was one line of dialogue that was like yes I'm an expat who works for the London police like why don't more shows do that yeah Just let people have their accents, and it's like, well, I'm a, whatever, landed citizen, or I have a green card, and I work for this organization, even though it's not in my country of origin. It takes a line of dialogue, and if you have Stanley Tucci delivering it, then problem solved. So that is my final pick. Don't go back and watch Fortitude. Just take my word for it. Tara: [1:02:15] You know what else he was in? Shit-a-dell. Sarah: [1:02:18] Oh, yeah. No, I saw that, and then I decided not to mention it because— Well. Tara: [1:02:24] I have to. Sarah: [1:02:24] You have trauma. Tara: [1:02:25] It's the law. Other than my alts, which we're all being very polite because there's some big ones we haven't touched yet. But my last official pick is the Stanley Cup of hockey as seen in the 30 Rock Episide Subway Hero Episide episode. Dennis, after he has saved someone who fell on the tracks on the subway, gets fated all over town. And one of the perks of having done this is that he gets to just like carry the Stanley Cup around for a while. And Stanley Cup is credited on the show at the end as Lord Stanley Cup as himself, which I thought was. Sarah: [1:03:00] Oh, that's cute. Tara: [1:03:02] So Stanley Cup of hockey. Dave. Dave: [1:03:05] All right, I'll do it. I'm going to go with Stan from Frisky Dingo. Tara: [1:03:08] Thank God. Dave: [1:03:10] Stan. Stan from Frisky Dingo is the Cruise Enterprise's, I don't know, CFO maybe or something. Or just general strategy guy up at the top that works with Xander Cruz. And he is a disgusting individual. Tara: [1:03:25] Yep. Dave: [1:03:26] He's eventually cloned into cannibal clones who eat one of their own. Tara: [1:03:31] And her rumpf. Dave: [1:03:32] And her rumpf. That's the only thing they can say. Her rumpf. I always love Stan. And just the gasp, pregnant pause to Stan is something that comes up a lot. Just in regular conversation. Yeah, it really is a great shorthand for here is something I'm fake-outraged about that just happened in our lives. Mm-hmm. Stan. Tara: [1:03:54] Do you want to go into your alts first and see who can last? Me? Dave: [1:03:57] Sure. Tara: [1:03:57] Yeah. Dave: [1:03:58] I guess the only one that maybe nobody else put in there, but maybe Tara did, I would put Grunkle Stan from Gravity Falls into the mix. Tara: [1:04:06] Yep. Dave: [1:04:07] I have one more, but I think somebody else will do him better justice, so I will bow out. But Grunkle Stan is the crazy conspiracy-minded uncle from Gravity Falls who owns the Mystery Shack and terrorizes the kids with him being him and him being also like a Northwestern. weirdo in the great tradition of Northwest weirdos. Tara: [1:04:27] Yep. Later gets a brother voiced by J.K. Simmons. Dave: [1:04:30] That's right. Tara: [1:04:30] It was great. We should watch that again. That was fun. Dave: [1:04:32] Yeah. Sarah: [1:04:33] I have Stan Beeman from the Americans. Tara: [1:04:36] Of course. Sarah: [1:04:37] Who I thought someone would take. This is what inspired this is that we're in the final season of the Americans not even rewatched, just watched through. Tara: [1:04:46] What a time. Sarah: [1:04:47] And the number of times that we just are like gasp, Stan. But it's more like Psy Stan, in his case, that he never quite figures out that the show thinks he sort of sucks. But anyway, it all becomes clear sort of at the end. Spoiler. I also had Stanley Camel of Melrose. Tara: [1:05:06] And 90210. And Monk, yeah. Sarah: [1:05:08] Oh, yeah. Right. Tony, Tony, Tony. And Stanley Roper as played by Norman Fell. Tara: [1:05:15] Yep. That clears out all of my alts. Good job, everybody. Dave: [1:05:19] Okay. Well, I had one. And I thought somebody, Stan Rizzo from Mad Men, works smarter than I heard. Tara: [1:05:23] Oh, of course. Sarah: [1:05:24] Oh, shit. Sorry, buddy. Tara: [1:05:26] Good one. Dave: [1:05:30] All right. That is it for another episode of Extra, Extra. Hot great. We checked in with Jon Hamm's friends and neighbors before answering your burning ass EASG questions like, what's my mom really doing? And who's scripting your next birthday? Tara got New Girl's little cookie bit into the tiny reconciliation canon. We celebrate those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week and re-wrapped it all up with a look at some important TV stands. Next up, Black Mirror on EHG Prime. Remember, we're listening. I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tara Arianna. Tara: [1:06:12] Fuck off, Jake. Fuck right off. Dave: [1:06:15] And Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:06:17] In the matter of Stanley Steamer Corp versus Extra Extra Hot Great, Sarah D. Bunting of Council. Dave: [1:06:23] Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra Hot Great. Sarah: [1:06:43] Ew so. Dave: [1:06:45] Nick giving schmidt a cookie from new girl oh. Sarah: [1:06:49] My god oh this is extra hot great minis.