Should You Stick Around For The Sticky?

Dave: [0:19] This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 329 for the December 7th, 2024 weekend. I am Canadian sap, David T. Cole, and I'm here with idiot kid, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [0:38] I am the chief manager of the association. Dave: [0:41] And bathroom meditator, Tara Ariano. Tara: [0:44] Where else would I do it? Tara: [0:50] Welcome to Extra Extra. Hot, great for another weekend. Thank you for being here. Thank you for your support. Thank you for sticking with us for however long it's been. We welcome in our new members. We're here this week to talk about the sticky in which Ruth, Margo Martindale, is facing financial ruin on her maple farm due to tyrannical behavior from Leonard Guinadon, the director of the Association Aérable du Québec. Mike, Christy Mintopoulos, is trying to move up from collections in the Boston crime family he works for. Tara: [1:26] And Remy, Guillaume Cyr, is frustrated that his work running security at the AEQ's Maple Syrup Reserve is being shortchanged on resources and proving it by sneaking out one barrel a month, totally undetected, to sell on the black market. When Remy happens to cross paths with Mike at a restaurant and figures out he's connected to organized crime, Remy impetuously pitches him on a more ambitious maple syrup heist. Mike is intrigued, but would they really need to cut in Remy's current accomplice? The show was co-created by Ed Harrow and Brian Donovan, who formerly worked together on American Housewife. It was inspired by a real maple syrup heist that took place in Canada starting in 2011. But we are cautioned at the top of each episode, this is not the true story of that true crime. Among the production companies involved are Blumhouse and Jamie Lee Curtis's Comet Pictures. all six episodes dropped December 6th. We may talk about events from any of them. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch The Sticky? Sarah: [2:29] Yes, I think so. Tara: [2:31] Dave. Dave: [2:31] Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Tara: [2:32] I think so too. If for no other reason than it's six episodes and they're all under a half hour. Sarah: [2:38] Yeah, that's not nothing. Tara: [2:39] That's really not. It makes a huge difference. I'm going to start with my fellow Canadian, Dave. Starting when I first heard this crime was going to get a fictionalized treatment, I couldn't help thinking of the Futurama episode when Leela goes to Nibbler's homeworld and one of them says to another, sometimes I fear we are cute. Like, the actual largest heist in Canadian history was with 2,700 tons of maple syrup. It's adorable, right? Dave: [3:04] Yeah, we are. We're adorable. Tara: [3:07] I interviewed Chris Diamantopoulos this week as we're recording this, and I asked him if, as a fellow Canadian, does any part of him get this script and think, I'm not going to do it in order to not play into American stereotypes. And he said, no, of course. I was thrilled to, and, you know, he was very good-humored about it. But are you worried that this is going to play into American stereotypes of Canadians or is it possible that Americans have done? Dave: [3:30] I think the more Americans just dismiss us as this Nibbler-esque society to the north. Tara: [3:36] Yes. Dave: [3:36] The less apt they're going to be to come and take our oil and water and whatnot. So I think we just like fly under the radar for as long as we can. That's the play. Sarah: [3:45] Smart, smart play. I mean, I will be getting into this later in this episode, but y'all have some pretty fucking gnarly serial criminals. But as heists go, like if this is what you're going to lead with, I think that Dave's strategery is wise. Dave: [4:02] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [4:02] Be sweet and cute and reserved and polite and just do your thing. Tara: [4:08] Yeah. So the first episode has to teach the audience a lot about maple syrup production in Quebec. And yet when I read the entry about the real heist, which we'll link to, there was still a lot I didn't get despite taking detailed notes. What did each of you think about the level of processing is relative to what's necessary for us to know to make the story compelling? Sarah, this is processes your beat. So you go first. Sarah: [4:30] It is. And I think that they were smart in terms of like, they put the broad strokes right up front, which is just enraged Margot Martindale character swearing a lot and screaming truth to power about corporate slash capitalist greed and fuckery. So on that level, like they didn't have to get too processy because the terms on which you're engaging with the characters have already been established and it's Margot Martindale. So you're probably it. Tara: [4:58] Right. Sarah: [4:59] But then in terms of the process and they're kind of telling each other in passing what would be necessary to complete this heist, they gave you just enough information for you to follow it, but not so much that it's like the CSI effect where it's like, why are these senior staffers explaining to each other how fingerprint powder works? It didn't do that. And overall, I would say their approach to the material in terms of understanding that a lot of this is goofy and funny and amateurish, but not being so smug and scathing about it in a Coen Brothers-y way that you're like, but if you despise your characters, why should we like them? I think that their approach to the process and their approach to these characters, which was sort of like fond eye rolling, was of a piece, which was the larger story here is X, like the man rising up against capitalism and corruption. And they kept it contained in that way, I thought. Dave: [6:04] I mean, it's not complicated. It's a corporation trying to squeeze sap farmers. I don't know what you call them. Tara: [6:10] Mm-hmm. Dave: [6:11] Out of their land in this Coen Brothers light-esque sort of setting. So I don't think you have to get too processy, but the ways they do it and the times they do it, it's interesting enough. It's more like, you know, a burn after reading a bunch of dummies trying to make a plan work, and it's just not really happening a lot of the times, you know. So processy part, it wasn't laborious, but it didn't need to be. But what was there? It was great. Tara: [6:35] Yeah. Yeah. This is not the first time we have all seen Margo Martindale play a very folksy criminal. Was this enough of a departure from Mags Bennett or just close enough to make you wish you were watching that? Dave? Dave: [6:46] I liked her here. She doesn't have the simmering, bubbling cauldron of dread that Mags Bennett did. You know, she has a story where her husband is in a coma. So she's trying to keep the farm afloat to pay for the bills to keep him alive. So there's a very human story here. And that's sort of the base of it she's not already like a criminal mastermind in the area or anything like that she is starting her journey in the sticky she is not already there like she was in the justified and is happy to kill people left and right yeah so it's a different character you know they maybe are distant cousins i would say sarah. Sarah: [7:25] I think this is actually like you could map this pretty closely onto her character in sneaky pete but on the plus side no one watched that except me and maybe some of Giovanni Ribisi's cousins also watched it, which is why it got canceled. I'm joking. Sort of. A lot of her characters in the last 10 or 15 years are kind of a piece, but she does find what's different and what's driving each one and changes it up. But even if she didn't, she just has a certain... Dave: [7:55] Energy that it's like a. Sarah: [7:57] A martindale rage elevates us all. Dave: [8:00] Like it warms us all there's there's a scene where she's talking to her sister on the phone and going on about just you know whatever shit that annoys her and she's asking for a favor and her sister is like granting it but begrudgingly so and sort of with conditions and she is just like thank you so much while she's silently mouthing shut the fuck up with like this giant eye roll that like kind of sets the tone where like this character in the sticky your character in the sticky sort of hates everybody whereas like family included people that she has to work with daily she has no she has a short fuse with everyone where i think like mags bennett and justified she's very much trying to take care of kin and she has a patience there she doesn't have with other characters in justified it's like if mags bennett didn't ever deal with family and she was now tapping trees in quebec kind of but i she was great like her character is really fun whenever she's on because she just like has no more fucks to give for sure yeah. Tara: [9:03] Yeah so christy mentopoulos who plays the the crime crime family guy has a lot of experience playing assholes this is a very specific kind what did you think of his characterization of mike sarah. Sarah: [9:16] I always like that they'll sort of take a minute to do a couple of specifics that set them apart from like this, this like two dimensional type or like the placeholder replacement level version of this character that he has the wrong fucking shoes. Tara: [9:33] Yep. Sarah: [9:33] He has to have been on this collection route before, but he's still wearing leather-souled shit. He has a gun, and he could menace these people in the biker bar in the beginning, but he then decides to just take the humiliation as sort of like, you're not exactly sure why that's happening or whether it's going to matter. But it's something interesting. It's not the beats in the order that you expect. Dave: [10:00] Yeah. Tara: [10:00] Yeah. Sarah: [10:00] And he does have a certain, like, not replacement level, but like, he has that, like, kind of interchangeable handsomeness to him that I think lets you slot him in as characters who are maybe a little bent. So I liked it. I thought it was good. Dave: [10:19] Yeah, I liked him because the last time I saw him was Mrs. Davis, where he played a very overconfident sort of killer type. whereas here he is sort of has the same job in a different context but he's like you know he's been beaten down he is at the lower rung of this crime organization that he's in and he like the character note that every time he's outside he slips on the snow was like it did make me laugh yep i kind of wonder if that was like in the script from the start or they fucked it up on day one and then like it became a thing i. Tara: [10:50] Can tell you because it came up when i interviewed him. That was his choice. Dave: [10:53] Great. Tara: [10:54] Excellent. Sarah: [10:54] Oh, excellent. Tara: [10:55] Because of the shoes. I mean, he's Canadian. So he, you know, he was saying like those he's. Dave: [11:00] Yeah. You got to put on a pair of cougar boots. Tara: [11:02] Yeah, exactly. Like Sarah said, he's intentionally unprepared because he's projecting a certain image with these. I mean, the cloth coat is the same. Dave: [11:11] Yeah. Tara: [11:11] So, yeah, the first time he did it as a choice, they were like, cut, cut, cut. And he's like, no, what? Why'd you cut? We want to make sure you're okay. He's like, I'm acting. Like, this is the guy who previously played Moe in the Three Stooges movie. Like, this was his choice. So, yeah. Also, when he goes to the biker bar, like Sarah said, the, you know, the person he's collecting from dumps out the cash and makes him have to pick it up. And like the extra shame of an American having to bend down and pick up Canadian money. Dave: [11:41] That scene, though, made me miss colored money. Tara: [11:43] I know. Sarah: [11:44] Yeah. I agree. Dave: [11:46] You know, knowing, looking at it, be able to count it right away. You know how much money is generally there from a bird's eye view shot from the ceiling. Tara: [11:52] You do. Dave: [11:53] You know, you see a couple of brown notes. Like, all right, those are hundreds. You know, you got the red 50s, the green 20s. So like you kind of can do the math instantaneously in your head. Sarah: [12:00] It was nice that there wasn't like a toonie just rolling glumly away just to add. It's like, and you have to go to the corner and get that one too. Don't forget. It's a box. Tara: [12:11] Yeah. The season is so short. It does not indulge in a breakout flashback episode, which I was grateful for because I fucking hate that conceit. But we do find out why everyone treats Mike like a loser. Dave: [12:24] Can we talk about Remy? Tara: [12:25] Yeah, I'm going to him next. And we talked a couple of weeks ago about Jimmy O. Yang, maybe not being up to carrying interior Chinatown. This actor is, he's new to me. I don't know. He could be very famous in Canada and I wouldn't know. But he's a co-lead here with Martindale and Diamantopoulos. Did you feel like he had the chops, Dave? Dave: [12:42] Like, he is so Canadian looking. Tara: [12:44] He really is. Dave: [12:45] He really just, if you just showed me a steal from that, I would have said, oh, that's some shot in Quebec. Tara: [12:51] Yep. Dave: [12:51] Like, he's got the look. He's got the mannerisms. Like, everything about that felt true to me. Tara: [12:56] Yep. Dave: [12:57] I thought he was great. It's an understated role. You know, he's not dumb. He's just, like, doesn't have a lot of initiative. He kind of sees the opportunity here. The idea of the heist starts with him. He's sort of like just skimming a bit off the top in the first episode, so to speak. And that's sort of the genesis of it all. But yeah, I really liked him in this. I've never seen him before. And I thought he was great. He was, I thought, pitch perfect. Tara: [13:23] Yeah, he and the guy who plays his father, I think, we're a very good team, the two of them. Sarah, what do you think? Sarah: [13:29] Yeah, I agree. I mean, he really does look like one of those sort of, I don't know, upper Canada, like a cube of salt pork with a beard for warmth people. Tara: [13:41] Yeah. Sarah: [13:41] But his casting and then his performance are sort of what I was talking about before, when it's like, all right, are these people sort of figures of fun at times? The script is fond of them. Like, it doesn't think that he's smart. And look, I'm never going to be mad at a script that uses the word oaf repeatedly. Take me to the oaf. I mean, might get a tattoo of that. Not saying I won't. Like sometimes the Coen brothers can be just like really mean about people who aren't bright or who haven't thought shit through or are just like being human and dressing cheaply while doing it, that the sticky doesn't do that. And you don't need boundless generosity of spirit every moment on TV, but especially in a story like this that is real people and is about sort of living at the edges of that your savings are gone and it's cold eight months a year that it's like, well, let's not treat these people with too much smug condescension. And he didn't try to do too much either. And the relationship between him and his dad was very sweet. And just in a couple of gestures, like him giving him a motivational CD, and then the guy actually listening to it and being like, all right. Tara: [15:01] Yeah. Sarah: [15:01] Okay, we'll try it. That did a lot about that whole household in like 30 seconds of screen time. And I appreciated that, that the series does not fuck around. And I like that. Tara: [15:13] Yep, I agree. Dave: [15:14] Terrible title, though. Tara: [15:16] Well, it's grabby. I get it. Dave: [15:18] I guess. I haven't watched Warrior for so long. At first, I was like, what? Tara: [15:22] Oh, yes, right. Dave: [15:24] Because it definitely doesn't mean the same thing in that show. Dave: [15:32] All right, everybody. It's time for the great Canadian Ask ESG cornucopia of questions. Otherwise known as Ask ESG. All right, let's get to your questions for us. First one from Rinzi. If the extra hot great pets were to be a subject of an animated movie, who would voice them, Tara? Tara: [16:06] I only did our... Dave: [16:07] Chris Pratt, cross the board. Tara: [16:09] I only did our pets. So, Sandy, I'm going to cast Sissy Spacek. And for Knowlton, I'm going with Larry Murphy, who voices Teddy on Bob's Burgers. I think he does a good job. What we were just talking about, sensitivity to a dumb guy character, not to say Knowlton is dumb. He's very smart. He taught himself how to open the back door and do all of our... Dave: [16:31] No, he won't stop. Tara: [16:32] He won't stop. Dave: [16:32] We have to lock our doors to keep him from getting outside now. Tara: [16:35] We do. Sarah: [16:36] Bear, you know, you got to cast someone who is tops in TV screaming. So that's Tim Robinson. Pearl would be voiced like Maggie Simpson by Liz Taylor, because like Maggie Simpson, Pearl doesn't really talk. It's just occasional little squeaky noises. and Lucille is Paula Pell. And if you know Lucille, you know why that makes sense. Tara: [16:58] Love that. Sarah: [16:59] Dave. Dave: [16:59] Well, I mean, it's just going to do it. It's got to be me for Knowlton and Tara for Sandy just because I think their voices are distinct enough. And for each of us, we are the main adder of vocabulary for that dog. Because like the way it works is like, boy dogs generally sound like a certain type and girl dogs generally start with a certain base. But then you modify them as their personality comes out and you add ticks and phrases and all that sort of stuff. And I just can't trust anybody else with it. So I gotta be Nolten. Tara's gotta be Sandy. It's just the way it is. Tara: [17:32] How dare you? Dave: [17:33] Yeah. Tara: [17:34] It's untoward. Dave: [17:36] Untoward. All right, Kimba, you're stuck in the elevator for 17 hours. Okay. With a TV character of your choice and it's just the two of you. Who are you stuck with? What do you do during this time? And what's the state of your relationship when the elevator doors open? Sarah, answer all that. Sarah: [17:54] Alright, this is kind of a backbitch answer, but if anyone remembers that show Blindspot from like 10 years ago, a lady with a bunch of tats, amnesia, and impossibly cool hair is found in a bag in Times Square, and then it's like a whole thing trying to figure out who she is and who left her there. Anywho, the lab dork character on that show on the law enforcement side, Patterson, was played by Ashley Johnson. She was super into games like board games, card games, LARPing probably also. Patterson had a very sweet, chill energy, which is important for a 17-hour stay in the elevator. She was very smart, so I think that she could probably get us out in more like seven hours. But failing that, she 100% has a deck of cards at least on her at all times and or in her notes app, extensive notes and setup for a game that she's inventing slash trying to create. So we could just play Rummy or QA her new board game while we're in there. And then when we get out, I think everything is probably just kind of the same. I will be forever grateful and she will be constantly asking me to play some variation on Parcheesi. And I will gladly do it. Dave. Dave: [19:07] All right, let me ask you this. Do you like getting real dirt on people you don't really know? Tara: [19:12] Of course. Dave: [19:13] Of course you do. So my choice is Larry the actor who plays Robbie the Doorman from Co-op the Musical from the documentary episode Original Cast Co-op. Sarah: [19:23] Oh, God, yes. Tara: [19:25] I watch your lives. Hello, Robbie. Hello. Welcome home, mister. And this is what is this? I'll. Tara: [20:24] And he shipped them off to Reno And you should have tipped me better At least a hundred and a sweater Make it cashmere There's a letter From the nurse And breast All right I open the door It's high five One, two, three I open the door And I want your lives You're proud, no notes so good try to. Dave: [20:58] Do allegro so yeah so i think you would enter you'd be very happy to hear about i'm gonna guess dozens of families in the building and then by the end of it i think one of you would be dead those are the way richard kind characters just kind of work on you you're like you're very into it because it's richard kind he's selling it but then of course Whereas the character tends to be very annoying and especially over 17 hours inside of a tiny box. So that is my choice. Tara. Tara: [21:25] I know he ended up becoming a lot, but Chandler Bing acquitted himself pretty well in an ATM vestibule with Jill Goodacre in season one of Friends. So that's my pick. I think he would be good at making up games, not physical ones like the chain pen head swivel he fails at with Jill Goodacre. But I think he would be good at, for example, would you rather? And we know his tendency to diffuse awkward situations with humor, which would come in handy whenever either of us has to pee, which would happen in 17 hours. I don't know if we would need to hang out again after that. But I think, as Sarah said, we would be grateful for each other in the moment and put a button on our relationship forever. Dave: [22:06] I can't think of what he has been in on TV, but he always plays the same character. So I'm going to guess if I picked a Ricky J character from television, that would be a lot of fun. 17 hours stuck in an elevator with him. Tara: [22:20] Sure. Dave: [22:21] Next question comes from C. Kent. Create your perfect holiday special. Yes. I'm not big on Christmas specials. I find them all vaguely depressing for some reason. It's just my take on Christmas, I think. But I'm going to just move aside and say a slow TV special of Scandinavian cityscapes in undisturbed snow would be perfectly fine to have on the TV as a Christmas special to me. Tara: [22:47] The perfect holiday special exists. It's called How the Grinch Stole Christmas. But there are still moments in it that lean maudlin. So I would cut it into segments, including the You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch song and the heartwarming conclusion, and then cut in snarkier moments from Acclaimation Christmas, Black Adder's Christmas Carol, and of course, the Katie Holmes Day episode of AP Bio. Sarah. Sarah: [23:11] It already exists, in my view, in holiday baking show episode form. Just give us some outtakes. It's all I'm asking. It's not a lot. Dave: [23:22] Milsnack, are you due for a massage? Tara. Tara: [23:25] Yeah, I don't remember the last time I had a massage. It's been a really long time, and I'm definitely in my slept wrong era of life. I just get up and something hurts. So yeah, Dave. Dave: [23:37] I mean, I can't remember the last time either, but massages are like gum, like sugared gum. This is like, as soon as it's done, you're like, I don't know, back to pain. So I don't bother. Sarah? Sarah: [23:49] Yeah i mean probably but what i'm really due for is a pedicure my cuticles are unionizing down there it's not great. Dave: [23:57] What are their demands cut. Sarah: [24:01] Them get a fucking pedicure boss lady. Dave: [24:06] Mandrake what tv show of the past okay i have a problem with this question but we can discuss mandrake asks what tv show of the past that seems to be only available at the paley center are you most curious to watch? And then he adds, for me, it's a show called Colonel Humphrey Flack. All right, Sarah, answer the question first and we'll see if we all have the same problem if we indeed have a problem beyond me. But what is your answer here? Sarah: [24:29] I used to be a records clerk, and there are corners of the internet to find almost anything. However, the one thing I really needed to watch was an episode of Beretta that I had to have the Paley Center help me get a print made of from NBCUniversal, and it still costs like three grand. So I feel like the Paley Center's role in this regard is not necessarily always what you want. I don't know if that's Dave's issue with it. There are a handful of 80s and 90s true crime TV movies and miniseries that, for whatever reason, either the title is very broad or someone involved with it is embarrassed and buried it, and it's not even on, even through methods, you can't find it. So, those. There's one starring Sharon Gless called Honor Thy Mother that I would like to find. I mean, I'm also friends with one of the archivists, so sometimes I just call and I'm like, would you even have this? Do I have to pay? Tara. Tara: [25:29] This came up when I was doing a post for Cracked last year about the best shows that were set in Chicago. And when I did my research on it, it reminded me of two that I loved in the 80s as a kid who was a nerd for television. Surprise. The first is a one-season dramedy called Jack and Mike with Shelley Hack. I remember that. She was a newspaper journalist and her husband was a restaurateur. You know, it was just like about stuff that happens in their workplaces and they were like a cute young couple who didn't have kids and that was very aspirational to me at the time. You didn't see it a ton on TV. Sarah: [26:09] Mm-hmm. Tara: [26:10] And the other was Anything But Love, the Jamie Lee Curtis, who we just spoke of in the lead topic, and Richard Lewis show that lasted longer than you think. They were both newspaper journalists in that one. I think it was four seasons, but it's like very spotty where you can get it. So writing that post made me like crave to watch more of both of those. And there was like, I think, two episodes of Jack and Mike online, maybe only one, and then just a couple of Anything But Love. So if you know where else to get them, hit me up. Dave, what's your problem with the question? Dave: [26:41] Well, my problem with the question is most of these things you can find examples of like the Colonel Humphrey Flack thing. I put it into Google and there's like dozens of episodes on YouTube. So it's like that's exactly my problem. It's like you think they're unavailable, but if you actually search for them more often than not. And granted, maybe my needs are less esoteric than yours, but I don't generally have a problem finding some example of it. You know, if I'm like, what was that show like? and like usually you can find something on it. Not all the time, apparently, but like his example, easy to find. Tara: [27:15] Yeah. Dave: [27:15] So I didn't really have like a show that I'm like, remember that show that I haven't since found it like for a long time before the internet sort of became video friendly. It was like, do you remember, anybody remember this show called Star Lost from Canada? It was sort of like Battlestar Galactica kind of like a colony ship floating around in space and they're blah, blah, blah. You're like, you're making this up. No, it was like by sci-fi writer of some import. I just don't remember details like you're making it up. But now everybody knows about Star Lost because the internet never forgets. And somebody put them up and there they are forever. So don't think I ever need to go to the Paley Center. All right. And with three E's has our last question. Who is an actor you haven't seen enough that we'd like to see a lot more of in 2025? Tara: [27:59] Holy shit what get to the basement kids. Sarah: [28:02] Bob newhart's here. Dave: [28:05] Didn't say whether it had. Tara: [28:07] To be possible or not but i. Dave: [28:08] Sure would like to see a lot more bob newhart. Tara: [28:10] In 2025 oh i got bad news for you oh. Sarah: [28:12] Boy what's that yeah. Tara: [28:14] He's not in the basement no. Sarah: [28:16] He is yeah he's underground. Tara: [28:17] Under the floorboards okay he's not in our basement Sarah. Sarah: [28:21] Get the line, kids. Hopefully, I will be seeing a little more of him since, colon legacy's final season will be airing this coming spring. But Jamie Hector should be top lining a prestige procedural that has gazillion seasons and we can all just watch him whenever we want. He was supposed to get his own in-universe show. It didn't work out. I would just like him to be in my eyeballs more. And also, I felt like I was always answering Chris Chalk to this question, but him too, honestly. Tara. Tara: [28:52] Tony Goldwyn, he's hot as hell. We barely got a taste of him in Hacks season three. I am the person who only saw Ghost this year for the first time. Somehow it just passed me by. Almost the first thing you see in that movie is 1990 Tony Goldwyn with his shirt off and a pair of really dusty chinos demolishing a beautiful loft in Soho. There's no part of that sentence i'm not into no i. Sarah: [29:19] Think i'm pregnant just hearing about it again. Tara: [29:21] Yeah he still looks incredible 30 plus years later so tony goldwin for prurient reasons. Dave: [29:31] Wow that was waiting to come out for a long time you're welcome everybody ckent has your ask ask ehg question a la episode mvp lvp that's from again with this who are each of your ultimate winner and loser of the year. But we're asking you to answer that. So let's look back on 2024. Who is your ultimate winner of 2024? Who is your ultimate loser of 2024? Go to the Discord Ask As E-H-G channel. Look for the 329 thread to put your answers in. We're trying to organize it a little bit so that when we come back in the new year and there's six episodes worth of judgment to do, we don't have to go around, you know, being all spelunky about it. So please put your answer in the right place. Yes, Belunky. And we will look at them and we will be back with judgments in January. 2025. Dave: [30:30] It is time for the Tiny Cannon presenting this week. It's Anne with an E. E. Hi, Extra Hot Great. This is a Tiny Cannon submission. A well-deserved. Tara: [31:27] CT is in a state of single-minded rage? Peek asshole? I'm not quite sure what's going on with CT here. Sarah: [31:37] I think it's amazing. So he finds out he's going against CT, who hates him, wants nothing more than to humble him, and is. Tara: [32:00] What? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We're going to need another barrel. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What the just happened? CT looks like freaking Godzilla. I've never seen a grown man look life. He just gets up and he's doing like this transformer power walk with the Boston mumble. And he carries his. Sarah: [32:26] Custom-made Johnny Bananas backpack to the barrel in about five seconds. I can't even believe. Tara: [32:32] I'm actually witnessing this. I will tell my grandchildren about this. I'm looking up at the sky, at the stars, enjoying this beautiful night we have here in Prague, only to be. Sarah: [32:43] Dropped onto a metal trash can. Am I hurt? My pride and my ego's hurt. That's what's hurt. I truly don't have much more. Tara: [32:59] Say so much. And it's just, it's poetry. It's beautiful. I think it should be the new Mount Rushmore, just like his legs next to his face next to the trash can. I think that that would be beautiful. all. I don't think that the challenge is canon-worthy, rewatch. I agree with Paula. If I had grandchildren, I would tell them about this moment. they would then immediately put me in a home. But I think this deserves tiny canon consideration. Thank you so much. Sarah, you are the challenge watcher amongst us. Please start us off. Thank you, Anne, by the way. Sarah: [33:55] Yeah, this is what a fantastic presentation. This may be an if you know, you know prospect, but if you're even a casual television watcher who has heard downstream about the challenge, this is iconic. Like Tara, I don't overuse that term, but CT, who was transitioning out of his out-of-control rage ball zone at this time and has since become an almost cuddly OG sort. Sarah: [34:24] He's on the most recent season of the challenge and is sort of like an elder statesman now. And the Boston mumble and the giant quads are like, now it's dad bod and Duncan jokes. He was tagged in in the season to turn shit sideways in the cutthroat season and to check Bananas' ego, which has always needed doing. So he physically picks up Johnny Bananas and makes him a backpack. You sort of read this in our rundown doc, and you're like, oh, it's a backpack belonging to Johnny Bananas. No, it is a backpack that is Johnny Bananas. And Johnny Bananas is not this fucking spindly little jockey-sized person. This is a regulation now probably aided by steroids, allegedly. A person who does these every season and has a giant Easter Island head now as a result, and it's like that a person exists who could pick him up that way, who would pick him up that way, and who answered the prayers of millions by picking him up that way, just hoisted him up, zombie walked over to the barrel with his entire leg muscular structure almost singing while bananas flailed like a schemey, smug, sexist little fucking beetle that's on its back. And then he got flung over the barrel. Then he's like, I'm fine. It's just my pride that's hurt. Like, whatever. Tara: [35:51] We'll take it. Sarah: [35:52] We'll take it. Absolutely gorgeous moment that longtime time challenge watchers and fans, still return to in the quiet rooms of our hearts on a regular basis. Wise choice to sort of underline the reactions of everyone else just witnessing a human where another human is an accessory for the vengeance of all. So great job. Loved revisiting this. Tara. Tara: [36:20] Yeah, I am not a challenge watcher. But as soon as we got to this clip, I was like, oh, my God, I've seen this. Like, even I know what a moment this was in the show. It must have been blogged ad nauseum at the time that it happened for me for it to reach me. The challenge isn't a show that gets a ton of coverage, but this must have been such a thing. And rightly so. I mean, you truly, the way you can see every single muscle group in CT's legs is moving. like it is wanging yes yeah it's remarkable and i mean just tossing johnny onto this trash can i mean it dents immediately like these are two very beefy all muscle guys yeah it's so funny and clearly i i believe based on everyone's reaction it's super deserved like if i know anything about johnny bananas it's like he is not liked so to see him serve this slice of humble pie Eat up, buddy. It was gorgeous. This is like maybe the only piece of challenge content I probably ever need to see. And I think that's beautiful. Dave. Sarah: [37:32] Yeah. Dave: [37:33] I like the one guy describing it as a Transformers march or walk. Tara: [37:36] Yes. Dave: [37:37] It didn't seem like it was from like Pacific Rim or something like that. Sarah: [37:41] That's Brad. And he's right on. Yeah. Dave: [37:44] Like giant mech just like trudging along. Because I don't really know if like you get a sense of the geography of what they're doing. but they're sat on the dirt floor back to back, strapped back to back and then they have to like basically, you know, figure out how to get the other guy to your side of the arena and it's never even a question. He just like gets up and Transformer walks through the barrel, does sort of like a dive on the barrel with his Johnny Bananas backpack towards the floor and crushes him on the barrel. That's it. And then everybody goes ape shit. And speaking about apes, the facial... That language of CT in the moments before the whistle blows kind of just reminds me of that moment where the gorilla decides he's going to kill you. You know, when you see nature films or something like that, the camera crews like, and then the, you know, the alpha of the pod, you know, decided that we were no longer welcome. And it's like, it was very much the same sort of eye bulging and nose, nostrils and everything. Sarah: [38:47] More like Jack Torrance at the end of the shining cycle for him. Dave: [38:52] Yeah, totally. But this was really fun. And describing it as a custom-made Johnny Bananas backpack was really great. And you really get a sense of how everybody on the show thinks of him from this one-minute clip. And really, it's all you need to watch if you want to go and watch. It's on YouTube, obviously. You can just watch the first minute and you're done. And it's great. All right, let's put this the official vote. Sarah D. Bunting, challenge expert. What say you? Sarah: [39:18] Oh, God. Challenge accepted, and so was this into the Tiny Cannon for me. Dave: [39:23] All right. Tari Ariana, what say you? Tara: [39:25] Oh, me as well. Dave: [39:27] All right. So Johnny Bananas Backpack from the Challenge Cutthroat Season 20, Episode 9, Always a Bridesmaid. You're hereby inducted into the Extra Hot Great Tiny Humble Pie Cannon. Dave: [39:42] That was me doing a victory, getting that out in one take. Yeah, right. All right, we are taping this in advance, so we put aside Not Quite Winners and Losers of the Week and instead present you with Not Quite Top 11 lists. I will go first, working off the sticky I have for you, the Not Quite Top 11 completely Canadian-sounding Canadian primetime TV show titles presented roughly in chronological order. Tara: [40:17] Oh, chronological, not ranked, because I have immediately a number one most Canadian in my mind. Dave: [40:24] Okay. Tara: [40:24] If you would rank them. Dave: [40:25] I tried to do ones that I don't really know. Tara: [40:27] Sure. You don't know this one. Dave: [40:29] But it has to be on paper, something that sounds Canadian. It can't be like the Beachcomber, it's because that doesn't sound Canadian. Okay. Sure. We only think of it as Canadian. All right, here we go. Hudson's Bay is our first. There's a show called Hudson's Bay from years of yore. It is an early 1800s set Western involving fur traders and like Courte d'Abois and all that sort of jazz. And it revolves around the Hudson's Bay Company, obviously. Tara: [40:54] Of course. Dave: [40:55] Number two, Caribou Country. Basically Canadian bonanza. There's a lot of shows here that are like, oh, America's got this. How do we do it? Tara: [41:04] Of course. Dave: [41:04] That was Caribou Country. Number three, I think possibly my favorite one is a show called Seaway. Tara: [41:11] Yes, about the St. Lawrence Seaway? Dave: [41:13] You better believe it. Tara: [41:14] Oh, yeah. Dave: [41:14] Seaway followed the adventures of Nick King, who works as a ship owner's agent investigating crimes involving shipping. He is assisted by Department of Transport Agent Admiral Leslie Fox and the Special Police Force patrolling the St. Lawrence Seaway. Tara: [41:35] Oh, my. Sarah: [41:36] Oh, my God. Dave: [41:37] Number four, Quinton Durgeon's MP. Maverick Member of Parliament somehow does that for four seasons. Tara: [41:46] Sure. Dave: [41:46] Just working against the system, fighting the good fight. Thanks, Quinton. Number five, Cross Canada Barn Dance. This is in 60s variety show. Tara: [41:57] Love it. Dave: [41:58] Moving ahead to the 80s or perhaps late 70s, the Albertans, which was the Canadian answer to guesses. Tara: [42:05] Dallas. Dave: [42:06] Yep. He Shoots, He Scores. That is the English title of a Quebec hockey drama. Tara: [42:12] Of course. Dave: [42:13] We've got the Canadian answer to Dynasty called Mount Royal. Tara: [42:18] Oh yeah, I remember that show. Sarah: [42:20] Oh, yeah. Dave: [42:21] Yeah, of course. Based in? Tara: [42:23] Montreal. Dave: [42:23] Of course. North of 60. Tara: [42:26] That's the one! Dave: [42:27] All right, there we go. North of 60 started as a Canadian Northern Exposure, but dropped the comedic elements during the first season and became a drama pretty quickly. And the final one, and I have a lot to read here, so bear with me, is a show from the aughts called Across the River to Motor City. The series is about an insurance investigator named Ben Ford, who works the border in both Detroit and Windsor. The story takes into account the shifting allegiances and ambitions that straddle the Detroit-Windsor boundary. Ben Ford's 30th birthday happens to fall on a faithful day, November 22nd, 1963, the day of the JFK assassination. Coincidentally, is also the day that his flight attendant girlfriend, Katie, disappears on a flight back from Dallas. The mystery of what happened to her and why consumes the life of Ben. Eventually evolves his adult daughter Kathleen when Katie's body turns up 40 years later. Family mysteries and intrigue play out against the backdrop of some of the more momentous events of recent Canadian and American history. That sounds terrible. Tara: [43:36] Is anyone of note in it? Anyone we've heard of? Sarah: [43:38] I kind of want to watch it. Dave: [43:40] Just double check here. I'm gonna say no. Nobody's name I recognize there. Tara: [43:47] No Sam Richardson or Tim Robinson. Too bad. Sarah: [43:50] Just a lot of guys named Gord. Dave: [43:53] City TV show, Tara, so you know it's quality. I do know that. One season, six episodes. Tara: [43:58] Oh, boy. Dave: [43:59] And that is my list. Tara: [44:01] I love it. Thank God North of 60 made it on that list. It would have been invalid. Sarah: [44:06] All right. Speaking of City TV and true crime, I have not quite 11 more Canadian true crime docudrama. and where to watch them in alphabetical order. Let us begin with number one, Bad Blood. There are too many things in the genre named this. I am not a crackpot. There are at least four discreet books besides the Elizabeth Holmes one. This one is a dramatization of the life and times of Montreal mob boss Vito Rizzuto starring Anthony LaPaglia. It lasted for two seasons. It was on City TV's app the last time I checked. It's probably also on YouTube. Number two, calendar girl, cop, killer, question mark, colon, the Bambi Bembenek story. Tara: [44:52] There she is. Sarah: [44:54] Yeah, there she is. There she always is. The late Lori Bembenek was a Milwaukee PD whistleblower who also worked at the Playboy Club before graduating from the police academy in Milwaukee. She was accused of murdering her husband's ex-wife. Her prison boyfriend helped her escape after she was convicted, and they were living successfully under the radar in Thunder Bay, Ontario, for a few months before someone phoned them in to America's Most Wanted. And P.S., if anyone knows how I can put hands to a contemporary vintage Run Bambi Run t-shirt, let me know. This fine show is, or this fine film is on YouTube. Lindsay Frost, who plays Ben Benek, is the mother of Major League pitcher Lucas Giolito, and Lindsay Frost's brother, Mark, co-created Twin Peaks. Tara: [45:41] Oh, yeah. She's a Frasier love interest as well. Sarah: [45:44] She is. The trivia about this production and her relationships is no doubt more interesting than the film itself, but now you know. Number three, Deadly Women, season 11, episode 11, In the Family. It's about the Jennifer Pan case. Yes, there's also what Jennifer did, but because of the whole we recreated pictures using AI kerfuffle, Also, my esteemed colleague Eve Beatty said that it was bad even before that came out, so I'm not going to recommend that. Watch this instead. It's on Discovery Plus or ID. Number four, The Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker. That's on Netflix. The titular Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker is Caleb Lawrence McGillivray. He's currently a guest of the New Jersey Department of Corrections for murdering an attorney. Number five, Highway of Tears. The nearly 500-mile corridor of Highway 16 in British Columbia, is the location of many crimes against women, and a disproportionately high number of them are indigenous women. This is on Tubi, and it is narrated by Nathan Fillion, and it's not a fun sit, but it's good. I recommend it. Sarah: [46:49] Number six, Law & Order, Original Flavor, Season 10, Episode 15, Fools for Love, aka Ellen Pompeo plays a Carla Homolka-esque character. This is her best and most chilling work as an actress, in my opinion. That season, of course, isn't fucking streaming anywhere. Heads up, Paley Center. But you can find the quote highlights unquote on YouTube if you search Pompeo willing participant. Enjoy. Number seven, love and hate colon a marriage made in hell. I'm pretty sure that Tara and I talked about this on The Blotter Presents way back in the day, but this is about the murder of Joanne Wilson Thatcher by her husband, Saskatchewan Paul Collin. It is probably a turkey. That's my dim recollection. Also, sometimes the story is like they needed to get a divorce and they didn't. And you don't need two hours of your life. That is on YouTube. Sarah: [47:44] Number eight, Perfect Sisters. This is about the so-called Bathtub Girls murder in Mississauga in 2003. That is on Peacock. Number nine, To Serve and Protect. Harkening back to Dave's list, this is Canadian cops, basically. That's various places, depending on your comfort level, including Roku Channel and Prime. And finally, number 10, A Legit Good Project, Under the Bridge. That's the Avert Case. It was really well done. I feel like not enough people talked about it when it finally came out, and it is on Hulu. Tara: [48:18] All right. We were all inspired by The Sticky this week because my list is not quite top 11 Christie and Metopolis TV characters. When I was writing the intro for my interview with him, I said, you basically cannot live a life untouched by Christie and Metopolis performances, and I stand by that. He really is everywhere. So I'm counting them down from least to most liked by me. Number 10, Harley Quinn. He plays Aquaman. Number nine, in The Office, he is Brian, the crew member in the final season that they make you think might break up Jim and Pam's marriage. Spoiler, he does not. Number eight, Mike Byrne in The Sticky, we talked about in this episode. Number seven, he is in the Jordan Peele 2019 remake of the twilight zone specifically the remake of the plain gremlin episode which takes a very different turn but he's in that with adam scott and i won't say more in case you want to look it up still on paramount plus number six good girls revolt he plays a magazine weekly magazine editor like a time magazine type of thing uh who's surprised sleeping with one of his female researchers the The show only got one season on Prime Video. It's all about them, the women who are only allowed to be researchers and not journalists, even though they do all of the work of journalists. Trying to organize their workplace, basically, and get credit for the work they do. Tara: [49:46] Number five, he was in Hannibal, two episodes, as Clark Ingram. A horse was involved. Sarah: [49:52] Oh, yeah. That's all I'll say. God. Tara: [49:56] Speaking of if you know, you know. If you know, you know. Sarah: [50:00] Ooh, yeah. Tara: [50:01] You sure do. Number four that already came up in this episode, he was JQR in Mrs. Davis last year. Number three, he played psychotic network executive Caster Soto in Episodes, the diabolically named Showtime show. Number two... He is Russ Hanneman in every season of Silicon Valley, the, speaking of psychotic, psychotic billionaire of This Guy Fucks fame. One of the interviews I read when I was researching to talk to him mentioned that he sipped from a This Guy Fucks mug, which I love. And number one, and you guys may not know this, he is in the wonderful world of Mickey Mouse as Mickey Mouse. He is the current canonical voice of Mickey Mouse. Sarah: [50:48] Wow. Tara: [50:49] He did it a bunch of times in our interview. He would, like, imitate Mickey, like, pretending to be Mickey Mouse reporting the maple syrup heist. It's amazing. Dave: [50:58] That's really great. Tara: [50:59] Yeah. Sarah: [51:00] Wow. Tara: [51:01] So, Chris Dimantopoulos, he's got the fucking range, guys. Believe it. Sarah: [51:05] Mm-hmm. He's got the juice. Yep. Dave: [51:14] Hello. It is time for the extra credit. this week we welcome in our grandpas grandpas you missed about 50 minutes or so of content previous to this if you want to up your pledge get the whole shebang every friday go to extrahotgreat.com slash club to do that we're happy you're here today we have for you substitute teacher day let me explain you are a substitute teacher just called in at 7 15 a.m to cover hungover staff teacher. You know how it is, guys. Being a lazy person, you will fire up the audio-visual unit and show your classes various TV shows as lessons for those classes. So I've asked my co-host today to bring five scripted TV shows that you really just want to watch yourself and justify what class you're going to show them to so that you can just watch TV on your paid day. All right, so we'll Let's do one apiece, go around the horn until we're all done. Let's start with Tara Arellano. What is your first show and who are you showing it to at school? Tara: [52:20] Okay, well, I just want to specify. For this, I took you at your description word. I am going with shows I really want to watch or that I am behind on. So these are all from my actual watch list. First up, for my rhetoric and public speaking class, I'm going with Queen of Villains on Netflix. This was a show that Dave picked for the fall TV preview. It is the Japanese women's wrestling show. We have not started it yet. Now that we're about to be off for our break, perhaps now is the time, but you know, athleticism is only part of the wrestling talent requirements. The other is you, you gotta be good at hyping up the crowd and trash talking your opponents. And so I think for rhetoric and public speaking, you will have lots of lessons to learn from queen of villains. Who is next? Dave: [53:09] Let's go to Sarah. Sarah: [53:10] I took that pretty seriously as well. And then I also had a whole list that I had to then almost completely revamp because I didn't see the word scripted in here. So I was like, oh, so I did a little tweaking, but we're going to ease in applied mathematics first thing in the morning. Let's just put on a little numb three years. I don't need to watch it. I don't actively want to watch it. But once it's on, I will become be calmed by it. and we can just wait for the caffeine to take effect. Let's just ease into the day and not do anything testable. Num3ers for Applied Mathematics and Geometry. Dave. Dave: [53:49] All right. I'm going to go to computer class first, and I have two shows you can take your pick, depending on how you feel that day. Either go with a $6 million man. He's almost all computer. Tara: [54:00] Right. Dave: [54:01] He's got that computer vision. He's got bionic legs. That's all powered by chips somewhere. Or the bear, because that actually has computer in it. Tara: [54:09] It does. Sarah: [54:11] Oh, yeah. Dave: [54:13] Let's circle back to Tara for round two. Tara: [54:15] Okay. I just found out I'm teaching a class in game theory, and that is why I'm going to fire up Rivals on Hulu. This is an adaptation of what I understand is a very trashy Jilly Cooper novel about the media industry in Britain in the 80s and the kind of dynasty-like shenanigans those characters get up to. And I know anytime you're talking about super rich people in literally any industry, there's going to be a lot of gamesmanship going on. So Rivals, Dave, I'm curious to know if you would be interested to give this one a shot with me. Rivals? Yeah, it's got David Tennant. Dave: [54:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I read it, but yeah, I give a shit. Tara: [54:58] Okay, great. That's the one. Sarah? Sarah: [55:00] I'm also teaching a computer science class, and I never got around to the last season of Mr. Robot, so that's what we'll be watching in my computer science unit. Tara: [55:13] Dave? Dave: [55:14] Well, every time there's an election, we all know that Dirt is not teaching civics enough. So, uh, you could teach it straight on the boring way that we've all been taught, or you can show it how it really is with the showing of Shogun. Sarah: [55:33] Love that. Dave: [55:34] Yeah. I mean, you know, real world politics. You know, sometimes it's in a meeting with a whole bunch of dudes in robes. And sometimes it's at the end of a sword. That's just the way it is, people. It just makes sense. Tara. Tara: [55:46] Yeah. For my class in marketing and branding, and perhaps for a particular lesson in crisis management, I'm going to be watching a very royal scandal on Prime Video. Sarah: [55:59] Yes, you are. Tara: [56:00] The three-episode season about Prince Andrew's interview on TV that, you know, I feel like it's not much of a spoiler to say, did not go super great for him. But there's two versions of this. One is on Netflix with Gillian Anderson as the interviewer. This one is Michael Sheen plays Prince Andrew and Ruth Wilson plays the interviewer. We've watched all of the other very blank scandal seasons. So this one has been waiting for us to, once again, have the time to really dig in and enjoy it. So that's mine. Sarah? Sarah: [56:34] I think you will enjoy that. Next up for me is AP European History, which is why we're cramming two shows in there from Deutschland, namely Deutschland 83 and Babylon Berlin, both of which have been recommended to me repeatedly over the years and need to be elbowed up, capital T, capital L, the list, waiting for a little time to open up so that we can settle in. as a family and without a space show season to occupy our time. I think we're going to watch those next. Dave. Dave: [57:06] I just have a note here. I didn't justify it, and I don't remember exactly what I was thinking beyond the fact that, you know, you're going to see that words match. But for music class, for band class, it's Band of Brothers, but I don't really know why I thought that would be a good idea. You like bands, I guess? Okay, that's not my actual third choice. My third choice is for shop class. So we're either going to be able to cram Top Gear, classic Top Gear episodes from, you know, 10, 20 years ago or whatever. Tara: [57:33] That's not scripted. Dave: [57:33] Huh? Sarah: [57:34] Yeah, it's not. Tara: [57:35] You said scripted shows. Dave: [57:35] You don't think Top Gear is scripted. Tara: [57:37] Well, okay. Dave: [57:38] Yeah. Tara: [57:39] I also think it's problematic. Sarah: [57:41] So why don't you just ditch it and find something else? Dave: [57:43] Or Knight Rider. Tara: [57:44] Ah, there you go. Sarah: [57:45] Great. There you go. Dave: [57:47] Fine. See, everybody wins. Tara: [57:49] Yeah. Dave: [57:50] We're really just going to watch Top Gear because it's a more fun show. All right. Round four. Back to Tara. Tara: [57:55] Well, I'm going to bring in a season of Escort Boys, and that will be fine if I'm teaching apiculture or commerce. It crosses both of those. And, of course, we talked about Escort Boys back in the summer. Sarah. Sarah: [58:10] Yeah, it's time for Advanced Spanish. And because I got partway through the second season of Epitaphios on HBO and then never finished it, I'm going to go back and watch the whole thing because Julio is very sexy, very Argentine, Jolie-laid guy. It's pretty straightforward serial killer investigation stuff, I guess. Because you're reading subtitles, you feel like maybe it's smarter than usual and it's definitely very creepy at the end. So we're just going to watch all of that. And as well, in my experience, Argentinian Spanish is a little easier to listen to and actually get the gist of without having to read the subtitles than, say, Dominican Spanish, which is like a river. Very beautiful, but much too fast for me to swim in. So, yes, Epitaphios. And I hope that shit is still on Mac somewhere, because that's another one I feel like only I cared about. Thoughts and prayers. Back to you, Dave. Dave: [59:09] All right, I'm going to cram a few in here so I can just have one answer for round five. For English, we're going to watch Downton Abbey because they speak English and they are very English. So I feel like you're getting like a double dose of English. So you can only watch it from like half the class and then like have free period after that. And for AP Bio, I'm going to go with AP Bio. Sarah: [59:30] Yeah, sure. Yeah. Dave: [59:31] All right. Let's hear the last ones. Round five, class five. What do you got, Taryn? Tara: [59:36] Well, it's convenient for me that I'm going to be teaching law and they've arrived at the section on contract law. So I'm going to show them the series premiere of Northern Exposure and let them understand how important it is to read an entire contract before you sign it and understand very clearly what you're agreeing to and what it might obligate to you to, because it could be four years in a teeny tiny town in Alaska. Sarah. Sarah: [1:00:03] Well, it's a, you know, it's a choice in the office to put physics at the end of the day, but that's what they did. And so that's why we're watching For All Mankind. You just never know when you're going to have to strap somebody to a Friedrich air conditioner and shoot her into low orbit. So better be prepared. Tara: [1:00:22] You really don't. Dave: [1:00:24] 99% of the time that you mention For All Mankind, It is followed up by the air conditioner hurtling through space. Tara: [1:00:31] It's a very memorable moment. Sarah: [1:00:33] I treasure it. I treasure it. Poor Kelly. Dave: [1:00:38] I need to make a change to my last round. Instead of English for Downton Abbey, how about we teach economics? Tara: [1:00:45] Oh, yeah. Dave: [1:00:46] That is how not to do it. Because as we all know, Lord Grantham is not good with a penny. Tara: [1:00:51] Right. Dave: [1:00:52] So you can just basically, he's like, don't do this. Don't do what John D. Don't does. Tara: [1:00:56] Yep. Dave: [1:00:57] Sir Johnny Don't does. Tara: [1:00:58] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:00:59] All right, but my last one is actually same show for both history and science. Any guesses? Sarah: [1:01:07] Called the midwife? Dave: [1:01:08] No. Tara: [1:01:10] I mean, I can't believe you haven't included Dracula anywhere else. Dave: [1:01:13] No, no Dracula. That would be good, though, for economics as well. Tara: [1:01:16] Yeah, it would. Dave: [1:01:17] Blah. Ugh. Tara: [1:01:20] Science and history. Dave: [1:01:22] Yep. Tara: [1:01:23] Penny dreadful? Dave: [1:01:24] Nope. Ancient aliens. Tara: [1:01:26] Of course. Sarah: [1:01:27] Of course. Oh, Jesus, of course. I was like, Manhattan Project? Dave: [1:01:31] It's like, you guys don't even know me. Tara: [1:01:32] Oh. Dave: [1:01:34] And that is it for another episode of Extra Extra Hot Great. We tap the sweet maple TV sap that was the sticky before answering your burning ass EHG questions like, who do you want to be stuck in an elevator with? And are you due for a massage? And with an E successfully launched the humble pie tiny cannon with the Johnny Bananas backpack, we slapped down three not quite top 11 lists and wrap it all up with a walkthrough through Substitute Teacher Day. Next up is the return of Mullendash with Brandi Brown, Jill Twist, and Josh Gondelman. Remember. We're listening. That remember was because it's a very Canadian episode and we all must roll up the rim to win. Who am I? I am David T. Cole and on behalf of Tara Arianna. Tara: [1:02:31] He's a good man. He's not Jesus Christ. Dave: [1:02:33] And Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:02:35] Enjoy the Sarah, dickhead! Dave: [1:02:39] Thanks for listening. And we'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra. Hockery. Dave: [1:03:42] to go to Alaska. Today, in the continuation of an old segment, Hinterland Who's Who, all about Canadian characters on American television. We're going to look at Hauling Vincour and his young bride, Shelley Marie Tambo from Northern Exposure. So I thought we should start with Sarah being the American here that has watched Northern Exposure. What's your take on the character of Hauling? Sarah: [1:04:09] Well, I don't think I knew that either of them was supposed to be Canadian. Is she supposed to be Canadian on the show. Tara: [1:04:16] He's from Saskatoon. Dave: [1:04:17] Yep. Sarah: [1:04:18] Uh, Saskatoon, Alabama, maybe I was going to say Saskatoon. Tara: [1:04:21] Oklahoma. Yeah. Her accent is not the best there. Sarah: [1:04:24] They're both a little like it. It's Southern Alberta, really Southern. I always liked them. That's they're one of the pairings that like when I was watching it, um, when it was on in the middle of the day, every single day, always I miss those days. Tara: [1:04:39] Me too. Sarah: [1:04:39] That was one of the characters who like, I didn't love them in the beginning. I thought they were kind of twee, but they definitely grew on me by the end. And the actor who plays Howling has been so wonderful in so many other things. And I have no idea what became of Miss Shelley Marie, but I don't know. They're very sweet. But Canadian, I'm not buying it, but I love them. Dave: [1:04:59] What's your take, Tara? Tara: [1:05:00] Yeah, they're not the most Canadian, it's true. But the idea of a Quebecois who would move to Alaska and try his luck as a trapper is, it brings true as a character note. And I think probably what happened was they developed the character and then they cast that actor and like, well, we'll just pretend this is what people sound like. Because what's the difference? Like, he's great, you know, and they the fact that they're Canadian doesn't come up a ton. And I agree. They're very sweet together, even though, you know, at first their whole thing with as a couple on the show is that you're supposed to be squicked out that he's like 60 years older than she is. But they're so sweet together. They're so in love. And once you find out that their backstory is that Maurice brought her to Sicily because he saw her in a beauty pageant and then she met Holling and fell in love and left Maurice and it still has caused her feelings years later. Adorable. So, yeah, I love them. Dave: [1:05:50] So, Holling is sort of betrayed kind of as a 20th century courte de bois. I mean, that's his origin story. And, you know, he went to Alaska and almost was killed by a bear. And then Shelley falls in love with him. Despite her terrible accent, she is like drawn more Canadian than he is. Tara: [1:06:08] That's true. In temperament, she is. Dave: [1:06:10] There's a lot of references. She often will call the sofa, the Chesterfield and little touches like that. But yeah, these characters are great together. There's a sort of understatedness to them in the face of their very unique relationship that sort of feels Canadian, that they don't mind and they don't really understand why you wouldn't mind. that I think works. And even if these characters, or sorry, even if these actors don't particularly sound or act very Canadian, I think you can still sniff out the DNA of Canada in these two characters. Tara: [1:06:47] I agree. Sarah: [1:06:47] And I also felt like they didn't, a lot of those characters, and I'm not talking about the whatever, Provenza years, which shall not be discussed. Tara: [1:06:54] Indeed. Sarah: [1:06:54] A lot of these characters really started to turn into assholes or just opposites of themselves or convenient to whatever plotting after however many seasons and they that did not really happen yeah with them so yay and. Dave: [1:07:08] Stephanie do you like Canadians. Stephanie: [1:07:09] I'm married to a Canadian so i'm a fan.