Having A Grave Discussion About Monster: The Ed Gein Story

Clip 00:02 Well, Mrs. Heller, I can vouch for Eddie. He's definitely your man, and he's cheap, too. Just ten cents an hour, which is good value but with all the frivolity I provide. Sarah 00:17 God. Dave 00:18 This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast. Episode 583 for the week of October 6, 2025. I am Melkie Handwash David T. Cole, and I'm here with Murder House Auctioneer Sarah D. Sarah 00:34 Oh, make me an offer. Dave 00:36 Bunting, local Jezebel Tar Ariano. Tara 00:40 It's pronounced Adeline. Dave 00:41 And Tony Perkins truther Richard Lawson. Richard 00:44 Gays are demons. Sarah 00:48 Oh no, oh God. Tara 00:53 Welcome to Extra Hot Great for another week. Joining us, he is a film critic you have lately read at The Guardian, The Hollywood Reporter, and Rolling Stone. You have also Heard him recently on the Ask Ronna and Brian podcast. It's Richard Lawson. Welcome back, Richard. Sarah 01:06 Richard No. Richard 01:08 Hey guys, nice to be here. Dave 01:09 Oh, it's Eddie. Hi, Ed. This is Eddie. I'm the fun version of you. Richard 01:15 My balls are all blue. That was so gross when he had to talk about sex in that voice. Sorry. Tara 01:19 Yeah. Well, I'm just gonna give a blanket content warning up top for the show we're about to discuss, which is monster. Dave 01:25 Can you do it in the Ed Geen voice? Tara 01:27 I can do it in the Ed Geen voice. Of course I can. We're gonna have lots of frivolity. If the name Ed Geen means nothing to you, just trust us when we say, don't listen to this one with your children in the car. Fast forward for, you know, a little while. Monster, the Ed Gein story is the latest season of the Monster Anthology series on Netflix. In this one, Ed Geen, played by Charlie Hunnam, is a farmer who lives with his mother Augusta, Laurie Metcalfe, outside Plainfield, Wisconsin. When he thinks he's in private, however, Ed likes to do things such as put on his mother's lingerie to jerk off or indulge in detailed fantasies about Ilse Koch. Picky Creeps, the bitch of Buchenwald. It also definitely kills at least two people and maybe kills several others because this is a Ryan Murphy show inspired by a true story, but with a lot of embroidery. This season was all written by frequent Murphy collaborator Ian Brennan and mostly directed by Max Winkler other than the fourth and fifth episodes, which Brennan directed as well. Let's do the Chen check-in, Richard. Should our listeners watch Monster the Ed Geen story? Richard 02:31 I mean, if they want to be miserable for eight hours, sure. Otherwise, no. Tara 02:35 Sarah Dave It's a no for me, dog. Clip 02:40 To stop those monsters, one, two, three, Here's a fresh new way that's trouble-free. It's got Paul Anchors guarantee Guarantee void in Tennessee Just don't look just a luck In Toronto's War on Crime, the worst offenders are pursued by the detectives of the Specialized Criminal Investigations Unit. Tara 02:59 Uh let's get into it. Richard, you nailed it this weekend when you posed on Blue Sky. Let me hire all my favorite actresses and allow the space to give the worst performances of their careers, Ryan Murphy. Richard 03:11 That was uh tweeted or skeeted or whatever at like Probably the nadir of some Laurie Metcalfe scene that I was just like, a brilliant actress. Tara 03:17 Yes. Richard 03:19 I've seen her on stage a bunch. She's really incredible and is just so bad in the show. Tara 03:23 Yeah, one of my first notes is Laurie Metcalf. No, you were in Steppenwolf. And so was Rondi Reed, who also shows up later to play Mary Hogan. Should Ryan Murphy be stopped from doing this? Let's start there, Richard. Richard 03:35 Yeah, I think he needs to if he wants to go keep going down this path, he either needs to find stuff that actually bears up against the kind of sociological analysis he's attempting to do or Ian Brennan is attempting to do. Or just admit that he just wants to show scary murder stuff and just, you know, get rid of all the trappings of like, you know, grand meaning because he's really reaching in this one in a way that just is kind of, I don't know, it's a little embarrassing almost. Tara 04:00 Talk about the reaching because our listeners may not have watched this and shouldn't. So elaborate on that a little bit. Richard 04:06 The interesting sort of premise behind the show, which you know is persuasively argued, is that like Edgine, you know, this post-war serial killer, grave robber guy, captured the attention of a of a of a different America, sort of rocked by war. Darkness had descended on the land. And Thus inspired the novel that became the movie Psycho, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Silence of the Lambs. Ed Geen, in a hideous way, Is a major cultural figure of the 20th century. That's interesting. But where the show goes past that into this kind of thing about like gender identity and queer longing and Just all this other stuff that just feels really forced. Like with a lot of Ryan Murphy things or Ryan Murphy produced things, I just kind of have to firmly say I don't agree with you and I think you are wrong. Tara 04:52 Yeah. I mean, Sarah, you reviewed this for Best Evidence as well. And you sort of said the same thing where it's like, it's trying to do too much, but it's also not doing enough. Sarah 05:00 I led with a screenshot of Ed Gein reading a True Detective magazine, and there's a school of thought which did not originate with Ian Brennan or Murphy or anyone in this sector. Of the narrative that these sort of torture porn or torture porn adjacent magazines of the mid-century did a lot to sort of Force multiply tendencies in serial killers, not just Gin, who quote, only killed two people. So that is gestured at. The idea that he may have had a traumatic brain injury based on childhood abuse, gestured at. And then the the idea that we, the consumer public, are the monsters for caring about This stuff that Brennan has extremely carefully set-designed to revolting effect that is gestured at, but then none of them is followed. Through sufficiently. And the problem with using this case to try to reach some larger grand Cultural meaning, like Richard referred to, is that at the end of the day, everyone is fascinated by it because he dug up graves and Fucked corpses. And like, it's a human instinct to be morbidly fascinated by that, but there's not really a whole lot of story there. Like, what can we, uh, what can we conclude from this? Like, well, boyfriend was real fucked up. Like, that's a 12-minute short, and then we can all go back to our lives. Tara 06:29 Yeah. Sarah 06:34 But this was like a lot of Murphy verse. projects like it just really ran out of steam and the Murphyverse is like too powerful and reliable as a money maker. To be pushed back on about this stuff narratively, and that's what needed to happen. Someone needed to be like, This is 83 minutes enough. Dave 06:57 Yeah, it's definitely a two pound show and a ten pound bag. And the other eight pounds he's trying to fill with trying to do a follow-up to that Hollywood show. Like, there's so much about what should be a footnote to the story, which is: Ed Gein was the inspiration behind all these horror films of the 20th century. And it is a third of the show. Like, it is a lot of the show, maybe more than that. Like, and not just like A peek into how he inspired it, but it's like going a level deeper and further away into the making of these productions. Psycho is the first one we see in the series. Beautifully shot, but it just felt so overstuffed and so anemic when it came to the actual subject matter in the title. Richard 07:44 You know who's not anemic is Charlie Hunnam as Edgeen, much like Evan Peters in the Dahmer season of the monster anthology. These two, like, hunky guys who are constantly shot shirtless, as if to like, we're supposed to be attracted to them. And it's like, what are you saying here? Tara 08:02 Yeah. Richard 08:02 Why is this happening? Dave 08:03 It's all the calories I burn milking the cows. Tara 08:06 Well, yeah, we see Ed like completely nude like five minutes into the first episode, I'm pretty sure. Dave 08:13 Yeah. Standing in front of his mother as punishment for jerking off that scene. Tara 08:17 Yeah. Dave 08:17 Yeah. Sarah 08:17 Mhm. Dave 08:18 Mm-hmm. Tara 08:18 Just normal stuff. Dave 08:18 You know how it goes. Sarah 08:19 Yeah. Tara 08:21 Is Charlie Hunnam good, Richard? He makes a he definitely makes a big choice with the voice, but what what did you think of the rest of his performance? Richard 08:30 Yeah, what's the old joke if there was an Emmy for most acting? Tara 08:33 Yeah. Richard 08:34 I tend to be skeptical when someone is doing something like that. I'm like, well, Surely that's not what they sounded like. And then I'll go like actually watch or listen to audio of the said person and it's like, oh, wow, they really nailed it. I thought that's what What was going to happen with Ed Gein. So, after I was done with the show, I went on YouTube, and there is a little bit of audio recording of him from his first, I think, police interrogation. He doesn't sound like that at all. Sarah 08:56 No, he doesn't. Richard 08:56 That's not his voice. Where did that come from? Tara 08:59 Wow, huh. Dave 09:01 It feels very eighties. Sarah 09:01 Yeah. Dave 09:02 I have a disease acting. Tara 09:03 Uh-huh. Dave 09:04 It feels very performative in the same way. Sarah 09:05 Yeah. Richard 09:06 Yeah, you never you know you never go full gain. Dave 09:08 Never cookie. Sarah 09:09 No, there was a documentary. It was called The Ed Gein Tapes and not even close. And the accent is like all over the prairie. Dave 09:20 I'm uh I'm just a dude playing a dude, is playing another dude. Tara 09:23 Yes. His brother doesn't sound anything like that. Yeah. You also, I mean, to get back to the The ladies who have been compromised by this project. Leslie Manville also appears later, Richard. Talk about what happens to her. Richard 09:38 Yeah, she sure does. I love Leslie Manville. Sarah 09:40 Yeah. Richard 09:41 I love Leslie Manville when she goes kind of campy. Have you ever seen Let Him Go, the Diane Lane Kevin Costner movie where she's the villain? Tara 09:47 No! Richard 09:48 Oh, she has a great it's from like 2020. She has a great last line in the movie that's just way over the top, but it's really fun. I didn't find this fun. I found it kind of depressing because Manville is a great actor who just fell into that Murphy Verse trap of like more, more, more, just go big, you know? Tara 10:05 Mhm. Richard 10:05 And Maybe she's trying to match the energy of Hunnum. She's like, all right, he's doing something crazy, so I guess I will too. Tara 10:11 Yeah. Richard 10:12 But it just made me sad. I mean, you know, the character's fate is sad, but I also think kind of Manville's fate in the show is sad. Sarah 10:19 I liked her performance. I mean, Hanum's, I can't really even like, yeah, there was a Lot of it, you know, it's terrible in such large portions, but uh, I think we can't even judge it because this figure historically is like you know, it just blots out any nuance. Even if there were any nuance in the performance, you wouldn't really notice it. Manville's performance I found more affecting. I thought occasionally there were nice moments for the performers, but they weren't given adequate direction. They were just thrown into this completely over the top a hundred and seventy decibel story and left to try to make their mark in it somehow. And most of them went with Spittally screaming. And I don't like, I almost can't blame the actors for any choices that they made because I just feel like Brennan did not and Winkler did not guide them at all or help them. Dave 11:13 Yeah. It was a very Harold Zoid in Futurama production. Richard 11:17 No I think Susannah's son, who plays, you know, a kind of girlfriend-ish of Ed, and that it's based on a real person, but her level of relationship with Ed Gein is not really known for sure. Dave 11:20 You in the background, wave your arms. Richard 11:34 But this show really amps up her presence in his life. Whether or not part of that is fantasy existing only in Gein's head, we don't really know. Tara 11:42 Right. Richard 11:43 But I think that the performance is interesting, even if I find that character totally illegible. Sarah 11:48 Same. I thought she was good given that I found the character, like it bears almost no relationship to anything we actually know. We're spending too much time with her. And as I wrote in my review, like this weird Nellie Olson Wednesday Adams hybrid is disconcerting at best. Tara 12:06 Mm-hmm. Sarah 12:07 And then All of a sudden, you're in New York City, and Ouija, played by Elliot Gould, is insulting her. Like, what? Seriously, what are we doing? Tara 12:16 Yeah. Sarah 12:16 Tell me what we're doing. I just want to know what we're doing so that I can stop doing it because this is eight hours too long. Dave 12:23 Sounds like it's sort of like the true crime horror salad bar where you can just like pick little things and together when you have to put everything on your plate at once. It's disgusting. Richard 12:33 Yeah, it's just Ryan Murphy emptying out his drunk drawer. I'd be like, Ian, can you make something out of this? Dave 12:35 Yeah. Tara 12:38 We can probably stop there, but I'll just add as a footnote: while researching this, I found out that Charlie Hunnam auditioned for Dawson's Creek to play Dawson. Dave 12:45 Wow. Tara 12:45 That's where he met his first wife. Dave 12:47 Hey Joey, you wanna come to climb up my window? Richard 12:51 Amistad is underrated. Tara 12:53 I want to be your boy adventure. Sarah 12:56 Oh go. Tara 12:58 Sorry. Dave 13:02 Time for a lot of shows. It's a good time for shows. It is time for around the dial. Tara, you are up first. What do you got first? Tara 13:12 Play clip one. Clip 13:20 These are their stories. Tara 13:23 I'm pretty sure Toronto's War on Crime is mostly focused on bike theft rings. Sarah 13:24 No Sure. Tara 13:28 Like, I don't know what this show thinks it's doing, but No, that's the that's the version of the episode from from thecw dot TV, yes. Dave 13:31 Is that just the YouTube video, or is that that bad? Tara 13:43 Wikipedia says that actually is Law and Order series narrator Stephen Zernkilton, but it sounds like AI to me. It's very bad. Dave 13:50 Totally sounds like AI, yeah. Sarah 13:50 Yeah. Tara 13:51 Anywho, Law and Order Toronto colon criminal intent premiered in Canada in February 2024. It became the year's number one primetime drama of 2024 in Canada, I assume asterisk, Canadian produced. But now it's been imported by the CW. It has already outdone the network's attempted import of Taskmaster in that two episodes have aired, and as far as I have seen, it's going to air more. It stars precisely one guy I have ever heard of, Aiden Young, a real Canadian who formerly starred in Rectify. Here he's the Vincent D'Onofrio character, and hearing that know-it-all-in-ness delivered in a thick Canadian accent is hilarious. Sarah 14:27 What Wow Oh Muskayuca Yep. Tara 14:31 He's definitely sounding like he is from Edmonton. Dave 14:34 Chief, all our maple syrup's gone. Tara 14:36 Basically, this version was created by Tassie Cameron. Dave 14:37 Yeah. Tara 14:40 Her mother is Stevie Cameron, who was a crime reporter at the Globe and Mail. Tassie wrote on DeGrassy The Next Generation. Then she adapted the Margaret Atwood novel The Robber Bride as a TV movie. So basically. This is the most Canadian Canadian we have, and she has made the show we would expect her to in Canada. Let's hear clip two. Clip 15:00 How rich am I going to get? How rich do you want, Arlene? You want a champagne fountain, private island in Muskoka, a little four-seater Cessna to get you there in style. Tara 15:08 Yeah Exactly. Dave 15:09 Private island in Muskoka. Let's all celebrate with the coffee crisp. Tara 15:17 Before we get on the yacht, I gotta stop and get my Timmy's. Anyway, if you don't know why that's adorable or anything about local Toronto references, the show is probably gonna bore you a lot, but. Dave 15:25 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tara 15:28 If you need a Wednesday night procedural and you never got into the one Chicago shows, Law and Order Toronto Colon Criminal Intent is here for you on this. CW and then later on the app, there are 20 episodes so far. I'm pretty sure they're going to make more. So that was my joy of the weekend: dipping into that hearing Muskoka referenced. Dave 15:46 The mean streets of Toronto Sure. Richard 15:49 How many murders are are at the Degrassi Community School? Tara 15:52 So far, none, but there's only been two episodes. The first one was at it was on a boat, someone gets pushed off a boat. Richard 15:55 Okay. Tara 15:59 They're going back and forth between Toronto and Toronto Island, of course. And in the second episode, it's at an apartment complex that I'm pretty sure is like in our old neighborhood on Delaware or near near there. Dave 16:11 Oh, really? Tara 16:12 Like, I think we looked at houses around there when we were shopping for a house. Dave 16:15 What other locations? Okay, first CN Tower Stairwell, right? Tara 16:18 Of course, yes. Dave 16:18 The one where they do the charity thing. It takes people like five hours to go up the CN Tower Stairwell. Tara 16:21 Uhhuh. Yep. Dave 16:23 Somebody dies during that. Sarah 16:23 Uh-huh. Tara 16:24 Mhm. Casaloma. Dave 16:25 Castle Loma Hockey Hall of Fame. Den, dun, dun, den, den. Richard 16:28 Someone gets pushed down the long escalator at Scotiabank. Dave 16:31 Yeah. Sarah 16:32 Queen's Key, Wall of Cheese? Tara 16:32 Yes. Dave 16:35 Mm-hmm. Sarah 16:35 Is that still a thing? Tara 16:36 I mean, they produce it for City TV. So if Speaker's Corner is still open, someone should get murdered in Speaker's Corner. Dave 16:42 I think that's gone a long time ago, but that would have been that'll that'll be a throwback episode. Tara 16:44 Probably. Bring it back. Dave 16:46 That'll be like the start of the current murder investigation that started in '89 somehow. Tara 16:51 Yeah. Dave 16:53 Anyways, this has been Canada Corner. Tara 16:57 For my plug, this is not Canadian at all, really, but Sarah already plugged the Patreon for our sister podcast again with this last week. So I will Plug the Patreon for our sister podcast, listen to Sassy. You can join the Listen to Sassy club for just $5 a month. That gets you full-issue PDF scans of every single episode of Sassy, every page, including all of the ads. Stuff we never talk about on the podcast. So it's, you know, if you're a magazine psycho like me, it's really worth your $5, I would say. So listen to sassy. com/slash club for that. And of course, also the podcast, which is a joy to produce. Dave 17:32 I have a quick pitch. I haven't really fleshed it out, but there's an officer in the RCMP called Ruffle. Tara 17:35 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dave 17:40 And he only fights crime in his full mountain uniform, and it's called ruffles all dressed. Tara 17:43 Yes. Nice. Dave 17:46 Okay, thanks. Sarah 17:46 Uh-huh. Richard 17:47 Wow, wow. Dave 17:49 All right, Richard, what have you been watching recently? Tara 17:51 Thank you for tolerating that, Richard. Dave 17:52 Ike, honestly, we could stop right now and just talk about stupid Canadian TV ideas for the next hour. I'd be really happy, but we have planned. Tara 18:00 Proceed. Dave 18:00 Richard, what have you been watching that people need to know about? Richard 18:04 Well, from a Commonwealth country to the actual UK, I have been watching the latest series, not season. of Only Connect, the wonderful quiz show hosted by Victoria Corrin Mitchell, who I find quite charming. We are about halfway through this series, which means That we're now like kind of in round two. So, the people who won in round one are now going against each other. And we are just at that sweet spot where the questions are hard enough that when you get them right, you feel smart. In a couple episodes more, they'll be so hard that I feel like a complete idiot for the rest of the season. But right now it's really, really hitting. I don't know if any of you have watched the show. It's mostly on YouTube. That's how I watch it. There is one very dedicated YouTuber I don't want to name out loud because I'm worried that like the YouTube gods will somehow descend upon this person and take all their videos away. Tara 18:46 Of course, yeah. Richard 18:47 But if you just search for OnlyConnect on YouTube, you can find it. We're in series 21. But there are a lot of past series on YouTube. So I've been also delving into those, and it's been very fun. Dave 18:59 Did that include the one where she's bagging on the New York Times version of it? Richard 19:03 It does indeed. I saw that episode recently. It was very funny. And she actually kind of took it easy on them because the New York Times copied the Connections, the sort of board where you have to group things together in groups of four. I remember her tweeting about that when New York Times launched that part of their games app. And she was like, We've been doing a show for 15 years that does exactly that, guys. Anyway, OnlyConnect. It's really great. Feel smart and then feel dumb. That's the arc of every season. Sarah 19:30 Or, as I like to call it, cape time. Richard 19:32 Yeah, there you go. Yeah, exactly. It's a good preview for game time. And plugs-wise, as Tara mentioned, I have been writing for The Guardian for Hollywood Reporter. At Hollywood Reporter, I have a review of One Battle After Another, the great Paul Thomas Anderson. And then in The Guardian, this week I have a write-up of Monster the Ed Gein story. As you can tell from what I just said, it's a really positive write-up, lots of nice things to say about the show. Dave 19:54 Mhm. Richard 19:56 So, yeah, go find that at theguardian. com. Dave 19:58 Four stars. Tara 19:59 We don't have the direct link here, but it will link to your author page. So by the time this episode populates, it'll be there. Richard 20:03 Yes. Perfect. Dave 20:07 Sarah D. Bunting, what do you have to talk about and where is this show located, please? Sarah 20:14 Space. Dave 20:15 Wow, what's happening? Sarah 20:16 I cannot really say that we enjoyed The third season of Strange New Worlds, except the Everyone is of Vulcan episode, which made us laugh very hard many times. Tara 20:22 Yeah. Yeah, that was funny. Sarah 20:27 And we almost like just went back to the beginning of it to watch it again because it was very funny. But overall, the season just seemed inconsistent. Stories siloed off, like everyone siloed off from the group, derivative episodes that dragged like we already had an enemy mine and it wasn't that Good that we needed Erica's version with the lonely, hey there, Lonelygorn. Dave 20:51 Totally. Sarah 20:52 And as glad as I am that the writers finally realized that Marie Battelle is not awesome. That ending was also derivative. Like, we already have Jacob's Ladder and the Six Feet Under finale, but I read somewhere that a lot of the season's issues might have been down to scheduling problems with various cast members. That's a hundred percent how it felt. Also, justice for Nurse Chapel's hair. What the fuck happened? Tara 21:17 Yeah. Sarah 21:18 It was perfect, then it was low flow. I will say, like, we never considered quitting. Like, I think the series is sort of like fuck-up proof enough that you could sort of live with Seasons like this, where it's like, oh, someone was off shooting, whatever, at the end of Discovery, or, you know, they got COVID or whatever it is. Like, we like the actors a lot. Mostly, we're not sure we're going to re-up Paramount Plus. Just for it, but I'm also not sure that we want to commit to discovery because that was recommended to us by a friend at a dinner party recently. Dave 21:52 No. Sarah 21:53 Rest of the panel, any thoughts on what we should do? Tara 21:54 Mm-mm. No, don't do it. Dave 21:55 Don't. It's terrible. Sarah 21:56 Okay. Tara 21:57 We quit before it ended. Dave 21:58 Yeah. Tara 21:59 I think we quit before the s That we talked about on the podcast. Sarah 21:59 Okay. Dave 22:00 If somebody recommends Picard, you can skip that one, too. Sarah 22:03 Oh no, I that I already skipped. Dave 22:04 Oh, that's right. Yeah, right. Sarah 22:06 Yeah. But Dan's like, what about this bit? I'm like, no. Dave 22:09 More like crap, am I right? Tara 22:11 Yeah. Sarah 22:13 More like poo card. Dave 22:14 Yeah. Sarah 22:15 There it is. Tara 22:15 Lower decks is fun. Dave 22:16 Yeah, lower decks is good. Sarah 22:17 Yeah, I we might do that. We like that. Crossover from the end of season two. I mean, it's like a good show. It's sort of like it'll stay afloat for the time that it has left, which is fortunately, I think, limited. Tara 22:30 Yes. Sarah 22:30 So that's a good thing. Tara 22:31 I think it's a season and a half. Dave 22:33 Are you excited to possibly watch the new Star Trek high school show, Star Trek Academy? It looks terrible. Tara 22:41 Has a good cast, though. I'm curious. Sarah 22:43 Yeah, I'm I'm curious, but I am also not optimistic. Tara 22:45 Mm, maybe. Dave 22:48 Mhm. All right. What do you got the plug, sir? Sarah 22:50 Mark and Sarah and Dan Rogie Talk About William Joel has returned for another album ranking one-off. That's Mark Blankenship. Dan and I ranking Billy Joel's The Stranger. Some absolutely scandalous things were said about Vienna and the Sears Art Department. To find out what they are, go to wherever you listen to podcasts and look for Market Sarah Talk About Songs. It came out a couple of weeks ago. We will link to it in the show notes as well. Dave 23:22 All right, here's what's coming up on Extra, Extra Hot Great this Friday. We're going to be talking about Boots. I forgot what Boots was. Tara 23:28 It is a period dramedy That's right. Dave 23:30 About the chemist store from the UK. That's right. Tara 23:34 No. Dave 23:34 Thank you. Tara 23:35 It's about a kid from parenthood enlisting in the Marines and being secretly gay in the don't ask, don't tell era. Dave 23:38 Oh, that's right. Right. Tara 23:41 And it was one of the last things that Normand Lear executive produced. It's on Netflix. Dave 23:45 All right, that is this Friday, that plus a whole bunch more. And then come back here on EHE Prime One Week. We're going to be talking about the chair company with Allison Herman. Tara 23:54 Woo! Richard 23:56 Great pairing. Dave 24:05 It is time for the extra hot great cannon presenting this week. Is our guest, Richard Richard? Take it away. Clip 24:11 Imagine, if you will, a man who lies a liar A big, flamboyant, stupid, aggressive, obnoxious, bogglingly powerful liar. I know it is hard to picture such a person, but please try. Imagine a liar who is maddeningly successful at lying, who is such an obvious liar that the most frustrating thing about him is not the lying itself, but that so many people around him utterly fail to see his lies. Or maybe they do see them and they have just given in to the inevitability of the liar some day stepping on their necks. They have succumbed to the liar's inexorability Imagine such a scenario, if it is at all possible for you to do so. And then imagine who abets that liar. Some other man, a feckless and frightened dope, cowed by some grotesque idea of masculinity, desperate to be part of an in group He knows the liar is lying to him, and yet he does nothing to assert himself, to wriggle out of the liar's grasp, even when it is entirely within his power to point out the liar and say, He is a liar, let's stop listening to him. He rejects every opportunity to do that, and instead marches willingly toward his own oblivion at the liar's side. He knows, to quote an old racist who used to run England, that his head is in the tiger's mouth, but he doesn't seem to care. because at least he is close to the tiger for the first time in his sorry life. Imagine this man runs a micro brewery And so imagine these two coasting on dismayingly smooth rails toward victory at the expense of so many other people, most of them too dumb to get out of the liar's way, but otherwise better, more likable people than the liar and his helpmeat. On and on they glide, seemingly unstoppable. But the Liar Man and his lackey realize something that most Liarmen and their lackeys eventually learn. At some point we ought to blame this all on a woman, or at the very least use that woman as a shield, toss her to the angry masses to distract them from our assent. And so the liar selects a woman to be his scapegoat. And she is a bit awkward and socially inept, and the liar figures she is perfectly manipulatable. that the sheer fact of her womanness means that she will fail to even dimly comprehend his end game, in which the woman is sacrificed and loses everything. I know it is difficult to imagine this, but you must try, because it has happened at least once. But then, imagine this. Just before the liar can snatch his prize to be begrudgingly shared with his bearded egor, his hairsuit Renfield, this creature, this woman, does something unexpected. She figures out that the liar and his mule have raped her parachute, and instead of tumbling to her lonely death, she grabs a hold of the liar and his pal and stares them in the eyes and says, I'm taking you with me. The liar shrieks and wails, shocked to have been defeated right at the very end, thrashing indignantly at the cosmic unfairness of it all as he plummets toward Earth. The lackey hangs his head in shame and tilts out of the airplane, as was always his sad fate. The liar screams all the way down, while the woman, noble in her loss, wears an expression of contentedness on her stern face. Imagine finally seeing the liar bested like that, so satisfyingly, after so much time spent tearing at one's hair and imploring deaf heavens to finally make the liar's acolyte see that he is In fact, a liar. Doesn't it give you hope that such things are possible? That at least once in this world the liar got what was coming to him, got his commutments. and his pathetic enabler went down in tears too. Sure, this only happened on the Traders Australia season two, one of the most frustrating seasons of television I've ever watched, with one of the best endings of any season of reality T V I've ever seen. But if it could happen there, where else could it, too? The most fun I've had in this game. Was when you guys recruited me. I have had a ball being part of Team Trader. Like you were the best players. You planned, you were strategic. And when you recruited me, I knew then your plan was to take me right here. I knew you wanted me because I was a sharer. But if I wasn't going to win, then none of us were going to win. Tara 28:59 Thank you, Richard. Richard 29:00 Chills. I love that scene so much. Tara 29:05 So good. I'll go first. I love when you come on the podcast because we just never know what you're going to pick for your Canon pitches, and they're always brilliant. And this is no exception. I have a hard time imagining the scenario that you set up, but I, you know, I see how it applies to this episode, how a liar can prosper. Hard to believe, and yet, I guess, true, based on this episode. But I have a question before I get into my response, though. Camille keeps saying You recruited me. Is that how it went earlier in the season? Like, did they pick her, or she was oh, okay, so she was not a production pick? Richard 29:38 They picked her to be a Patsy the entire time. Tara 29:40 Okay, got it. Richard 29:42 Yeah. Tara 29:42 Okay. Richard 29:42 They picked her like mid-season, mid-late season. Tara 29:44 Okay, after you picked this, I vaguely remembered that this was an ending that made people mad and I didn't know the specifics because I hadn't watched it. Richard 29:44 Yeah. Tara 29:52 And there's even leading up to this so much to like about the episode, including when the cannon fodder contestants have been disposed of summarily before this big moment with Camille. Sarah and Liam are also you can tell why they've lasted this long even without having seen the rest of the season. Like Liam is just this cockroach of a man, and Sarah is as close to the mom from Colin from Accounts, the girl's mom. Psycho, who's like founded an organization of women supporting men, supporting women, or whatever. The other way around, she's Sarah is like that. And every time they cut to her making like her thinking face with her pursed lips, I laughed. Like, she's just Very strange woman. But when you get to the end, and you it really does look like Sam, who is the mastermind of this plan. This Colin Joes looking motherfucker that you just, even not having seen another episode in this whole season, like I don't want him to win. Blake, I feel neutral on, although imagine he runs a microbrewery. Like, of course he does. Richard 30:53 Yep, that's his job. Dave 30:54 Blake looked like that guy from Reaper to me. Tara 30:57 Yeah, yes, he does kind of look like that guy. Sarah 30:58 Oh, yeah, totally. Tara 31:00 But even if you didn't know that, when you see the purple and black sweater, like, of course, he runs a microbrewery or a Halloween store, one or the other. Dave 31:05 Right. Tara 31:06 I'm neutral on Blake, but I know that he's not going to step out of line. And then when they lay out the scenarios, and the only one where no one gets the money, even though you kind of know this has to be what's coming. And as we were going into it, Dave and I were both like, What do you think is going to happen? And we were right that she would, that all three of them would write Steel. It's still so good. Like, it still works. So well. It's so satisfying. I feel like, especially when you say the rest of the season was frustrating. I don't have to watch it now because this moment makes all of it worthwhile. It's So delicious. And I mean, we didn't clip it, or you didn't clip it. The Sam hassling Camille, basically, like, why would you do this? Like, how could you ask that? You know why she did it. It's the same reason you were going to do it to her. Richard 31:54 Exactly, yeah. Tara 31:55 Yes. Dave 31:55 He's such a piss lord about it too at the end that you're like, oh, it makes it even more delicious that you walk away with nothing. Tara 31:57 Oh, he's yes, right. Richard 32:00 You don't need the money, you know. Dave 32:01 Yeah. Richard 32:02 The frustrating aspect is that Sam is a trader from the very beginning. And I know I'm watching it from home, and we see things that the contestants don't. It is so obvious every step of the way. That he's a traitor, and no one ever, ever writes his name down. And you're just like tearing your hair out, and then five, and you really think, oh, he just did it. Like, he's one of those evil reality villains who just wins. And then he doesn't at the very end in the best way because he totally, totally thought Camille was stupid and was just kind of going to play along with whatever they were lying to her about. Tara 32:32 Yes. Richard 32:32 And then she didn't. Tara 32:33 Yeah, every part of it is satisfying. Both him like hectoring her after the fact, and then Blake. Clearly, just absolutely shattered, trying not to cry, like not saying anything, hiding his face. Sarah 32:44 And failing. Tara 32:44 It's like both halves of it are delicious. So, this was. A wonderful episode to bring to our table. Gorgeous presentation, Sarah. Sarah 32:55 My notes read towards the end, right before the final meeting of the minds. Hilariously, I am already invested and an expert after only 50 minutes. Tara 33:07 Yeah. Sarah 33:07 And that's exactly what you want from a reality show, especially a finale that is coming into the canon. And also, I mean, this presentation was gorgeous, like just beyond Hirschute Renfield alone. Like, obviously, I'm voting this in, but More to the point that Sam just has to stand there and eat his own sexism and assumptions. Tara 33:30 Mm-hmm. Sarah 33:31 And she When she's like, You got brought me in here because I'm a sharer. And I was like, Oh, she's gonna do it. And then my notes from there are like just F-bombs, and then yay, Camille. And then I drew like fireworks. And then after that, he still won't shut the fuck up. Tara 33:49 Mm-hmm. Sarah 33:49 And it really was like this episode is such an excellent microcosm of what me The traders and all its international iterations so compelling and satisfying that you have every sort of trope of social. Game advancement here, and especially Sam, who was that like Johnny Bananas type that people just let take root like a weed. Because they're like, oh, we'll get him out later because everybody hates him. And then his roots have dug into like the mantle of the earth and he's impossible to get out. Tara 34:22 I'm sure that's what everyone thought at Saturday Night Live, too, about Colin Jost, and he's still there. Richard 34:27 He's very tony from Survivor, where you're like, Why is he still here? Sarah 34:28 Yeah. Tara 34:29 Okay. Richard 34:31 He's going to win again? Like, it's just, it's crazy. Sarah 34:34 Yeah, or Russell, that it's like, this is unpleasant to spend time with. How are you still letting him eat the production's food? Get rid, but that's the thinking. It's like, well, everyone else despises him, also, and the next thing you know, there you are at tribal council or at the final tribal, anyway. This was so satisfying, and just realizing that, like, I don't think it really did occur to Sam, nor should it have because of these other fucking boneheads who let him get to the end. He's like, oh, she actually did it. She actually screwed herself over so that she could screw me over. And I was like, oh my God, like, do you not understand how pettiness works? Tara 35:13 Yeah Yes. Sarah 35:13 And also, this is the best TV. I love it. Tara 35:16 Mm-hmm. Sarah 35:16 I love this episode. I love this presentation Mm-hmm. Tara 35:19 I forgot to say that she also does this in what appear to be a pair of packed airport joggers. Like she looks like she's even in comfy pants and it's like. Richard 35:25 Hopefully, yeah. Tara 35:27 From top to bottom, there's no wrong decisions made on this night. Great job, Camille. Okay, Dave. Dave 35:34 She was some sort of military or law enforcement person, right? Richard 35:39 Federal investigator, I think she kept referring to herself as. Sarah 35:42 Yeah, so like their FBI, I assumed. Dave 35:44 She comports herself in that way. So when it actually comes time for her to put the hammer down, it is in such a sort of like Exit interview, sort of manner that makes it like all the better because it's like, I'm not gonna raise my voice, I'm not gonna start. Tara 35:56 Uh-huh. Dave 36:02 Spitting and all that. Like it's very sort of like, well, you fucked up, and I'm going to tell you how you fucked up. And after this, we're going to get out of the banker box and we'll be going home. It had that tone to it, which makes it like, oh, you fucked up, mom's mad, kind of thing going on here. Tara 36:14 Mhm. Yep. Dave 36:18 As I'm wont to say whenever a reality show thing comes up in the canon. Not a big reality show guy. So when something hits for me, you know it has to be insanely special. There are some high watermarks. The Australian survivor. Tara 36:32 That Richard previously pitched. Dave 36:33 That Richard did last time, definitely up there. What this reminded me more of was the end of an episode of Survivor Australia, not Australian Survivor, season two of regular Survivor, where Mitchell gets blindsided on the way, on the walk to Tribal Council. Sarah 36:48 Oh, Bitchel. Dave 36:51 This episode is like that if Mitchell then was allowed to take a shit in the rice pot. So if you think about it in that terms, if you would like to have seen Mitchell take a shit in the right spot just to be, you know, petty about the whole thing, then this episode is for you. Tara 37:01 Uh-huh. Mhm. Yeah. Dave 37:09 It was fantastic. I enjoyed it very much. All right. Shall we put this to the official vote? Tara 37:14 Yes. Dave 37:15 All right. Tara Ariano, what say you? Tara 37:18 I also loved discovering that they had to let the show, this franchise lie fallow for a few years. This was like 2023, right, Richard? Or 22? Richard 37:28 Yeah, it was a little while ago. Tara 37:29 So, there isn't going to be a season three until like next year because I think probably people were like so blown away by this one that they had to like take a knee. Anyway, yes, obviously. Great presentation. Dave 37:40 All right. Sarah, can you give your vote in under forty five seconds? Tara 37:43 All right. Sarah 37:45 Jesus Christ. Yes, I can, and yes, it should go in the canon. Dave 37:49 All right, me too. So The Traders, Australia. What do they do? Seasons or series over there? Nobody knows. It's probably something crazy like Chum Wazars. Episode 9. You are hereby inducted into the extra. How great can you explain? Clip 38:09 Americans love a winner. Yup. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave 38:14 By the way, speaking about Australia, I still get Getting to get my report card on the Australian City Pronunciation Challenge from the extra extra hot great. Tara 38:21 Oh, yes. Mhm. Dave 38:23 All right, well, you know who you are. It is time to discover the winner and loser of the week. Sarah has this week's winner. Sarah 38:29 Ba-ba-ba-ba Brisbane! Just kidding. It's Ballard, a member of the Boschverse, and it has been renewed for season two at Prime Video. This was actually. Kind of a longer delay than fans were used to. They generally like renewed it for the next thing when the first one dropped. On Amazon, but better late than never. I think it's not as good as the parent show, but it's pretty good, and I'm glad it'll be back Oh, yeah. Dave 38:53 And loser of the week, please. Tara 38:55 Loser of the week is anyone, I guess, who buys the 4K makeover that Beverly Hills 90210 just got for its 35th anniversary, which I guess, if that's the math, we missed our book aversary. Our book is also five years old now. Go buy it. A very special 90210 book. Anyway. So I guess it looks better, but there's no indication. And I got a press release about this before they wrote it up on, oh no, they didn't, which is where I got this from. But like nothing in it says they've replaced any of the original music. Like as far as this. Indicates it's still all the same like bad sub-music that you get on the DVDs. It just looks nicer. And there's also no word of whether this version is going to. Stream in its entirety because apparently, in the later seasons, there's so many episodes missing from Paramount Plus because of music rights that, like, there's no point trying to watch along. with Jenny and Tori's podcast nine hundred two one O M G, which by the way you shouldn't. You should just uh pay us five dollars and t we'll recap it for you. But anyway, this sounds like a huge waste of money. If you already have the D V D's, it seems like you're fine. And the efforts to restore all of the original music Still have not come to fruition, so maybe for the forti anniversary. Dave 40:03 Well, speaking of boat not coming to fruition, do you know what time it is? Sarah 40:07 Game time. It's game time. Dave 40:19 All right, everybody, it is game time. This is the seventh of the current season. Our scores are buckle in because we got fractions: Tara with two and a half points, Sarah with one and a half points, Value Guess with two. Today, we are playing 30 Under 30 from Mike Seifert, who earns himself an extra credit topic of his choosing, plus a free shirt from the EHG store that is available at ThroughMethods. com. Mike writes, I have a list of thirty actors. For each one, your goal is to name a T V series in which that actor has appeared in under thirty episodes. For each actor, all three players will name in turn a show they think fits that bill. Everyone has to name a different show. We'll rotate who's first. That'll be our pecking order. Best Answer, meaning the show for which the actor has the most IMDB credits without going over thirty credits, is always worth five points. Tara 41:15 Oh, okay. Dave 41:15 And then there's buckets as we go down. We got answers that were three or two or one. I won't bother with the buckets right now, but trust me, I have them all ready to go. These are price's right rules. So if you go over, no points. If the show only has one credit, that also doesn't count. We're not talking about mini-series, only shows, no voice acting. So live-action appearances. All right. This is a very recently created game, so all these numbers are still accurate. Here's an example for you guys: Jared Harris. The five-point answer for Jared Harris would be foundation, for which he has 29 credits right up against the line. That would get you five points. That is the show that he's been in the most, but still under thirty. The Terror, he's only been in ten times. That would get you two points. The Crown, six times. That would get you one point. You would get no points for Answering Madmen because he's over thirty on that one. No points for Chernobyl because that's a mini series. Sarah 42:13 Mini series. Dave 42:14 All right, let's throw it to Picky to see who is going first. Sarah 42:15 Got it. Clip 42:21 We will start with Terra. Dave 42:22 All right, so we're going to go Tara, Sarah, and then Richard. This is basically who is picking a show first in each round. This is called 30 under 30. I'm not sure how long this is going to take, so we may cut it at 15 and play the second part. Clip 42:34 Like I want to rock to make a move, I want to rock Cause I make a whole breakout. Dave 42:35 Next week, let's see how it goes. But are we ready to try 30 under 30 now? Tara 42:40 Yes. Dave 42:40 All right, we are starting with Tara. You will go first, but Sarah, you're going to go after Tara, and then Richard, you're going to go after Sarah. Our first actor is Ted Danson. Tara 42:52 How did I know I almost said it out loud? Dave 42:56 What is the show that he has been in the most episodes yet still under 30 episodes is the challenge. Clip 43:02 I won't go out to the makeup to go out on it. Dave 43:03 I'll have all of it laid out in the chart. So you'll get either five, three, two, or one, or maybe zero point star. Clip 43:10 I won't know. Tara 43:10 Okay, I have a guess and I'm this is risky because I think this might be thirty exactly, but I'm going to say it anyway. Bored to death? Dave 43:17 Born to Death is our five point answer. Tara 43:20 Woo Oh, okay. Dave 43:21 Only 24 episodes, though. Sarah 43:21 Nice. Dave 43:23 So yeah, on to Sarah, what is your guess for Ted Danson? Sarah 43:26 Uh Fargo. Dave 43:28 Fargo is in our two-point bucket. Sarah 43:31 Fargo Oh, yeah. Dave 43:32 That is between 10 and 19 episodes. He was in 10 episodes of Fargo. Richard. Richard 43:36 I'm taking a chance here. I think I'm going to beep out, but damages. Dave 43:40 Damages, good answer. That is not our three-point bucket. That is something in the 20s. Clip 43:44 Cut up and move. Sarah 43:44 Wow, nice. Dave 43:46 And he was in 23 episodes of that. Richard 43:49 Nice. Tara 43:49 Just for my own curiosity, is he over 30 for Kirby Enthusiasm? Dave 43:53 34. No points. Richard 43:54 Oh, wow. Tara 43:55 All right. Dave 43:56 All right, let's move on. Sarah will guess first for Gene Smart. Gene Smart. Sarah 44:00 Oh yeah, oh yeah, her under thirty episodes, she says, doing some maths. Dave 44:02 So a show she's been in, but under thirty episodes. Sarah 44:13 I'm gonna guess Fargo again. Dave 44:15 Fargo is good, but only one point. That is in the single digit bucket. Tara 44:20 Ah, okay. Sarah 44:20 Oh, yeah, okay. Clip 44:20 There's a man coming to hope. Dave 44:21 Nine episodes. To Richard. Richard 44:23 Ah, this is probably dumb, but twenty-four. Dave 44:25 Twenty four is our five-point answer twenty-five episodes of twenty-four All right, Mayor of East Town is good for only 1. Tara 44:27 Woo Wow, Mayor of East Town. Clip 44:28 There's a man coming to the boat. Sarah 44:28 Oh, wow, so good. Clip 44:32 So mom, don't do that. Richard 44:32 Cutting it close. Clip 44:33 I'm a teacher, it's a big one. Dave 44:39 7 episodes. Tara 44:40 Okay, I'll take it. Dave 44:41 All right, now it's Richard's turn to go first for Margot Martindale. Clip 44:43 It's a magic Is a big company I don't know, don't do that. Dave 44:46 Margot Martindale. Going to let you in on a little secret on the spreadsheet. There are no three-point answers. Tara 44:53 No. And no voice performances, so don't say the Chicken Sisters, Richard, even though I know you're a huge fan. Dave 44:57 Yeah, yeah, or Bojack Horseman. Richard 45:00 Well, I mean, I'm a fan of everything I write, Tara, but thank you. No, I actually have a friend who writes for that. It's a good show. Tara 45:06 I love it. Richard 45:06 Anyway, yeah, no, it's, yeah, I will. Dave 45:06 Tara loves the chicken sisters. Tara 45:07 I sincerely love it. Dave 45:09 Yeah. Tara 45:09 Tell your friend they're a genius. Richard 45:11 I'm going to play it safe and just say justified. Dave 45:13 Justified is our two-point bucket answer. Ten episodes. Tutar. Tara 45:20 Oh, it's down as one. I'm going to risk it. The good wife. Dave 45:25 The Good Wife is a two-point answer, 13 episodes. Tara 45:29 Okay, I'll take it. Dave 45:30 Our five-point answer is still on the board, Sarah. If you get it, I'm going to give you an extra five points because there's no way you're getting it. I shouldn't say that, but we're not going to get it. You're not going to get it. Tara 45:40 Print him wrong. Dave 45:41 Prove me wrong. Sarah 45:42 Well, if I can just pull the name, I just feel like I was the only person that even watched it. Dave 45:49 Star Trek Sneaky Pete is our third episode answer for zero voice. Clip 45:50 You need to make it go out here, it'll be I want to take a rock to make a move. Sarah 45:50 Sneaky Pete. Tara 45:55 Oh, those bitches. Sarah 45:55 Too many. Fuck! Richard 45:57 Oh no What's that maple syrup show? Sarah 45:58 I'm just so glad I pulled it and didn't have to list a bunch of actors and then still not pull it, which is usually what happens. Dave 46:04 Any other guesses for our five point answer twenty episodes of this? Tara 46:07 It's not the good fight. Dave 46:09 Oh, it's not the sticky. Tara 46:10 That was only six or eight, I think. Dave 46:11 No. Richard 46:11 No. Dave 46:12 Sticky. Richard 46:12 No. Dave 46:13 Yeah, yeah, that was six episodes. Sarah 46:14 That was a mini series. Dave 46:15 It is a show we watch, Tara. Sarah 46:15 Yeah. Tara 46:15 Also, oh the riches. Dave 46:18 Yeah, long time ago. Clip 46:18 I want to take a rock to make a little bit of a drink. Dave 46:20 The riches, yes, the riches. Tara 46:21 Was it seriously? Sarah 46:21 Oh, shit. Dave 46:22 Yep, twenty episodes of the riches. Tara 46:23 Oh my God. Sarah 46:23 Wow. All right. Tara 46:25 Wow. Dave 46:26 All right, Tara, Natalie Morales. Tara 46:27 Yeah. Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, uh-huh, mm-hmm, uh-huh. Dave 46:30 Natalie Morales. Tara 46:34 Parks and recreation, I guess. Clip 46:34 Cause I'll make them to the boat. Dave 46:35 Parks and Wreck is a two-point answer. Tara 46:39 Okay. Dave 46:39 She was in eleven episodes of that. Clip 46:42 Cause I'll make up to the boat. Dave 46:42 Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 46:43 I don't know who Natalie Morales is, so Benson. Dave 46:45 Okay. Clip 46:46 I won't go back. Dave 46:46 Benson. She was not in Benson. Richard 46:51 Choose in a hundred episodes so you don't get it. Clip 46:53 I won't go back. Sarah 46:53 Yeah. Dave 46:54 All right, Richard, Natalie Morales. Clip 46:57 It's a big up to the book. Dave 46:59 No. Richard 46:59 The show where she's a bartender, but I don't know the name of it. Tara 47:02 Oh yeah. Richard 47:03 Um yeah, it was the sitcom couple years ago. Dave 47:04 The show where she's a bartender. Clip 47:04 It's a big up to the book. Richard 47:09 Geez, I might have to kind of pull a Sarah here and just kind of guess something or just name a random show. Clip 47:10 Like I would rack up like I would make Don't give a move. Richard 47:15 Is she on what is it called? The The the Kate Hudson show playing the game or whatever. Dave 47:22 Oh, running time or something like that? Richard 47:23 No. Sarah 47:24 Oh, yeah. Richard 47:25 Yeah, yeah. Wit oh, yeah, sure. Sarah 47:26 Running point. Richard 47:26 I don't know. Winning time. Dave 47:27 Winning. No, that's no, that's the other one. Tara 47:28 No running point. Richard 47:28 I don't know. Sarah 47:29 Wait, she played Magic Johnson. Dave 47:30 Running point. Richard 47:30 Running point. Dave 47:30 All right. Richard 47:31 Thank you. Dave 47:32 We're going to allow that guess. Tara 47:34 Was it the middleman? Clip 47:34 It's a week old till we don't know that we can go and There's a big hole to the boat. Dave 47:35 Yeah, the middleman is a show that she was in for two points. Tara 47:37 Uh-huh. Dave 47:38 She was in 12 episodes of that. So nobody guessed the number one five-point show, Trophy Wife, 22 episodes. Tara 47:44 Trophy, wife, she was the friend Sure. Richard 47:45 Um Oh, God. Dave 47:46 One episode less for the Grindr. We also had a lot of shows in the two and one point buckets: Gray's Anatomy, The Middleman, White Collar, Parks, and Rec. Santa Clarita Diet, and she was also in five episodes of 90210, the reboot. Sarah 47:55 Graze Hmm. Tara 48:02 The Ritzio Wanya. Dave 48:03 Yep. Two episodes of the newsroom, Tara. Tara 48:05 Yeah, and four episodes of the morning show I'm seeing here, so she really ran the gamut. Sarah 48:06 Oh, it's a pity. Dave 48:06 Your favorite show ever. Clip 48:08 I'm not going to let you get away with that. Dave 48:10 Yep. All right. Sarah, you're going to start us off with Stephen Tobolowski. Tara 48:16 Oh, God. Good luck to us all. Dave 48:19 I'm going to let you know there are two five-point answers because he's been in two different shows for the same number of episodes. Clip 48:20 Come to the boat, and the ball is coming. Dave 48:26 There are no three-point answers. Sarah 48:27 Uh um one day at a time reboot. Dave 48:30 One day at a time, forty-six episodes. Sarah 48:33 Too many? Oh, geez, I did don't think I knew it had forty-six episodes. Dave 48:39 All right, to Richard, Stephen Tobelowski. Clip 48:43 Can the book and the barcode and the bar It'll make up to you. Richard 48:43 I don't know. I'm just going to go. He seems like someone who would be on a David Kelly show. So Boston Public. Dave 48:49 Boston Public. Richard 48:49 I don't know. Dave 48:50 He's in so many one-point answers here. I actually have to scan down Boston Public. Nope, I'm seeing some cities, but I'm not seeing Boston public. Tara. Tara 48:59 I know he was in more than one episode, I think, of New Adventures of Old Christine. Clip 49:04 It's a weak old It's a big up to the book, and the ball is a big up to the book. Dave 49:04 New Adventures of Old Christine is good for one point squeaking in with two episodes. Sarah 49:09 Wow, good job. Tara 49:09 Woo Oh, Deadwood, sure. Dave 49:10 Wow, that was the low score. Okay, Deadwood nine. That's also. Sarah 49:14 Oh, Deadwood, duh, fuck. Dave 49:17 Let's see what else he was in the Mindy project. Tara 49:19 Right. Dave 49:20 Two episodes of SVU, Sarah. Tara 49:22 Sure. Dave 49:22 He was in 11 episodes of Heroes, 10 episodes of something called Dweebs. Sarah 49:22 Okay. Tara 49:24 Wow. Mm mm. Dave 49:28 And then our five point our five point answers were Mr Rhodes and Silicon Valley. Tara 49:28 But that tracks. Clip 49:31 Like I would rack up a rock I want to let you know. Tara 49:34 Okay. Dave 49:35 Yep. Sarah 49:35 K Sure. Richard 49:35 Sure. Dave 49:37 Let's go back to Richard to start off with Dylan Baker. Dylan Baker. Yeah. Richard 49:44 Okay, I'm in a lot of order. Dave 49:46 Law and Order original Reyes. Original Raise is good for one point in which he was in seven episodes playing. I'm gonna guess seven different characters. Tara 49:55 Mhm. Dave 49:56 All right, Tutara. Tara 49:58 The Americans Oh, yeah, damages. Dave 49:59 The Americans is worth two points. He was in 13 episodes of The Americans. Our five-point answer is still on the board, Sarah. Sarah 50:07 Ah, the good wife. Dave 50:09 The good wife, two episodes as a one-point answer. Sarah 50:15 I'll take it. Clip 50:15 I want to let them get a rock. Dave 50:15 Big jump from the two-point bucket, no three-point answers. Clip 50:18 It's a big up to the book. Dave 50:19 So we go From Kings, the Americans, Hunters, and Damages. Those are two-point answers. Skip to five points. I thought Sarah might get this one because it is murder one. Clip 50:26 It's a big up to the boat. Dave 50:29 Murder one. Sarah 50:30 Oh, yeah. Clip 50:31 Like I want to rock and make a move like I want to rock and make a I want to get a watch. Sarah 50:32 Okay. Dave 50:32 All right, Tatara. C C H Pounder. Tara 50:38 That's a tough one because she works a lot and it's not the shield because She was a series regular, I'm pretty sure. But that was a cable show, so it might still be under 30. I guess I'll say the shoe. Dave 50:50 Not even close. Tara 50:51 Damn! Dave 50:51 88 episodes. Tara 50:52 How many? Dave 50:53 88. Tara 50:54 Fuck. Dave 50:54 Yep. Sarah 50:54 Holy shit ER Ooh, yeah. Tara 50:55 Okay. Dave 50:55 Sarah, your best guess for CCH Pounder. Clip 50:56 It's a big old kill. I don't want to go like I want to get a watch. Dave 51:00 ER, good guess. That is a three-point answer, twenty-four episodes. Clip 51:03 It's a big cold tear. Dave 51:05 There is one show that's less than thirty, but more than twenty four. Can Richard name it? CCH Pounder. Richard 51:11 Um I am just going to guess the closer. Dave 51:15 The closer is not on this list. Clip 51:18 It's a makeup, it's a major. Richard 51:20 I didn't think so. Tara 51:20 Seems like the kind of thing that would be, though. Dave 51:20 Okay. Yeah, I had to double check there. All right, NCIS New Orleans, 155. Clip 51:26 It's a makeup Like I want to rock a rock to make Cause I make them to the lake on to the whole thing. Dave 51:26 That's where most shows. Tara 51:28 Wow. Dave 51:28 Let's see, what do we got here? Sarah 51:29 That had that many episodes? Dave 51:31 Four episodes of Cop Rock. Sarah 51:31 Holy shit. Oh, right, Coprock. Dave 51:36 13 or 14 episodes of Sons at Anarchy Brother Women in Prison. ER was our second best answer. Best answer. Warehouse 1329 episodes. Sarah D. Bunting starts us off with Sarah Paulson. Sarah Paulson. Answers in every bucket. Sarah 51:53 Sarah Paulson. Dave 51:56 Two bits. Sarah 51:57 I am Sarah Paulson. No, it doesn't work. Dave 52:01 Whenever anybody mentiones Terra Paulson, Roger Rabbits in the background going fucking crazy. Sarah 52:07 Uh I am just gonna hope. Well, yeah, American horror story. Dave 52:11 American horror story Way too many ninety-five episodes All right, so we're two, Richard. Sarah 52:14 Too many, yeah. Tara 52:17 Damn. Sarah 52:18 Oh, shit, okay. Dave 52:21 Sarah Paulson is your actor. Richard 52:23 I'm taking a flyer. I think I know she was on one of the seats, the old WB shows, so I'm going to say Jack and Jill. Clip 52:29 I want to blame the Is a big up to the book. Dave 52:29 Jack and Jill, thirty three episodes. Richard 52:33 Oh, fuck. Dave 52:34 Heartbreaker. Sarah 52:35 That had thirty-three episodes. Tara 52:36 Seriously, I never would have guessed it, guessed that. Sarah 52:37 Gorgeous. Dave 52:39 To pull Jack and Jill and not get points on it. That's sad. All right. Tara 52:44 That's rough. Sarah 52:44 Yeah. Dave 52:44 Tara, no points yet for this one. Tara 52:46 Yeah, the only the first two that I thought of are both a limited series, so I'm gonna have to say my backup, which was Law and Order original. Clip 52:48 It's a big up to the boat. Dave 52:56 A law and order original nope. Tara 53:00 Damn Wow Right Oh yeah. Dave 53:00 No points for Sarah Paulson. Deadwood, she was in Deadwood. Cupid, the bear, couple episodes. American Gothic, eighteen episodes. Tara 53:10 Hmm. Dave 53:10 American Crime Story, Sarah, twenty episodes. You're close, but you're one word off for points. Sarah 53:14 All right. Tara 53:15 Ah. Clip 53:16 I want to rock and rock Can't move, and the bar. Dave 53:16 And our five point answer, Studio Sixty on the Sunset Strip, twenty two episodes. Tara 53:19 Right. Oh my god. Richard 53:21 Oh, I almost said that. Sarah 53:22 Glad that glad that worked out for someone. Tara 53:24 Woof. Dave 53:25 All right, this will take us into a score break. Richard will be leading us off with Walton Goggins. Walton Goggins, episodes under 30. Is what we're after. There are no answers in the three-point bucket. Nothing between 20 and 29 episodes that isn't the number one answer. Clip 53:40 Cause I make a moment. Richard 53:43 I mean, I'm just going to go for a safe eight or something, the white lotus. Dave 53:47 The white lotus is eight episodes. Clip 53:47 Cause I make a lot of money. Dave 53:50 Yep, that is worth one point to Tara. Tara 53:53 Vice Principals Yeah, well it's only two seasons He's only in it once. Dave 53:54 That is good for two points, 18 episodes. Seems low. Yep. Yep. Number one answer is still on the board, Sarah. Sarah 54:02 Well, I know that's not it, but I'm still gonna take it. Beverly Hills 902 and 0. Come on. Dave 54:12 Yeah not on the list, so I'm going to assume it's a one it's a one point it's a one episode uh appearance. Sarah 54:12 We know he we know. We know it, right. Tara 54:16 It's a one. Yeah, one or two. Sarah 54:18 Yes. Richard 54:18 He plays young Joe Itata. Dave 54:22 Too many for the shield justified or the unicorn. Tara 54:25 Right. Dave 54:25 Unicorn slipping in a 31. Tara 54:27 Crazy. But Fallout is still safe, right? Because season two hasn't fall hasn't come out yet. Hasn't fallen out yet. Dave 54:32 And our number one answer, The Righteous Gemstones, 24 episodes. Tara 54:35 Oh, I thought that was too high. Sarah 54:35 All right. Richard 54:37 Me too. Dave 54:38 All right, we're halfway done. Let's hear the scores. Tara 54:40 Okay, Sarah D. Bunting has seven, Richard has twelve, I have fifteen. Dave 54:45 All right, let's get back to it. Tara going to be leading us off with Judy Greer. Reboot is good for 1. Clip 54:52 Yeah, I want to get a rock and whatever Is a big up to the book. Dave 54:55 8 episodes. You're talking about the recent reboot Hulu show. Tara 54:59 I'm talking about the show that was called Reboot on Hulu. Dave 55:02 Not the Canadian CG cartoon reboot, which is a shame. Tara 55:04 No. No. That's one of the crimes they're investigating on Law and Order of Toronto Coal and Criminal Intent. Dave 55:06 That's not worth talking about. Clip 55:09 It's a big up to the book. Dave 55:10 Sarity Bunting. Yes, a murder at the Novanda studio offices. Clip 55:15 Like I would like a rock to make a move like I would like a rock to make It's a big up to the book. Dave 55:16 All right, Judy Greer. Sarah 55:18 Don't know. Like, I can picture her like in a scene, and then I can't fill in anything else around it. So maybe she was in some episodes of relativity. Dave 55:29 Relativity Nope, Richard. Richard 55:34 Arrested development. Dave 55:35 A rest of development is good for two points, 13 episodes of rest of development. Tara 55:38 Wow Yeah. Dave 55:40 Glasses on, glasses off. Sarah 55:42 Well, I uh All right, oops. Tara 55:43 How many for stick? Couldn't remember if that was only five. Dave 55:45 Stick five episodes. That would have got you one point. Tara 55:47 Okay, good. Richard 55:48 What was her show that she was the lead of Miss Something? Tara 55:48 I'm glad I didn't tick it. Dave 55:50 Yes, misguided seven episodes. Tara 55:52 Right. Richard 55:52 Yes. Oh, that's it. Tara 55:54 Wow. Richard 55:55 Oh, geez. Sorry, Judy. Dave 55:56 A lot in the one point bucket. Our two point answers were arrested development, love and money, two and a half men. Three points for kidding. Tara 56:05 Oh, yeah. Dave 56:05 And five points. Anybody want to guess? Married, a show called Married. There we go. All right, Sarah D. Bunting, start us off with Justin Thoreau. Sarah 56:16 Justin through. Dave 56:18 Just in Theru. Sarah 56:19 I mean, it just can't be. And yet, I guess it has to be. The leftovers. Let's try it. Dave 56:27 Five point answer. Tara 56:28 Nice Woo! Dave 56:28 That is our number one answer, 28 episodes. Sarah 56:28 Oh, great. Dave 56:31 All right, Richard, number one answer is off the board. Richard 56:34 Wasn't he on six feet under? Dave 56:38 Six Feet Under is good for one point eight episodes of that show. Clip 56:38 Cut on me. Sarah 56:41 Nice pull. Tara 56:42 Whoa. Dave 56:42 Tara? Tara 56:43 Well, he was in running point. Dave 56:44 He was in running point, and that was seven episodes, so you also get one point. Tara 56:49 Great. Dave 56:49 Two points if you guessed the Mosquito Coast. Clip 56:52 Like I wanna rock it, I rock There's a bank of the boat and the bar to the boat. Tara 56:52 Oh, yeah. Dave 56:53 27 episodes of The District would have got you three points. All right, Richard, start us off with Olivia Coleman. Sarah 56:59 Why not? Richard 57:02 Uh uh heart stopper Oh boy. Dave 57:04 Heartstopper is good for two points, ten episodes, just squeaking into the two-point bucket. Tara. Clip 57:11 I'm a barn. Tara 57:12 Look around you. Dave 57:13 Look around you is good for one point. It's only one season of that, so it's only six episodes. Tara 57:19 Right. My peep show, I'm sure, is too many. Dave 57:22 All right. Tara 57:23 Perhaps. Dave 57:23 That's given giveaway possible free information for Sarah, who will close us off on Olivia Coleman. Clip 57:24 It's a big up to the book. Tara 57:25 Maybe. Sarah 57:30 Uh I mean I'd like to try to thread the needle with Broadchurch, but I'm not going to. Clip 57:31 It's a big up to the book. Sarah 57:36 I'm going to say the crown. Dave 57:37 Should have gone broadchurch. That was our number one answer, but the crown will get you three points. Tara 57:40 Ugh, nice. Sarah 57:40 Oh, I'll take that. Dave 57:42 21 episodes of the crown, 24 episodes of broad church. Sarah 57:45 Oh, come on. Dave 57:47 Lots of shows here. Clip 57:47 Kingdom and all this. Dave 57:48 Rev, Greenwing, Mitchell and Webb look, beautiful people, flowers, 2012 fleabag night manager. Tara 57:52 Flea bag Right Mhm. Dave 57:56 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Three episodes of The Bear. All right, Tara, start us off with Connie Britton. Tara 57:59 Right, yeah. Dave 58:02 Britton. Tara 58:02 No, I don't want to. Dave 58:03 Yes. Yes. 911 will get you two points, twelve episodes. Sarah. Sarah 58:13 Shit. Clip 58:13 I want to learn how to get a rock. Sarah 58:13 The West Wing. Let's try it. Dave 58:14 The West Wing is good for one point, four episodes. All right, Richard, the number one answer is still on the board. Clip 58:20 I want to leave a rock It's a week up to the end of the world. Dave 58:21 Five points. Richard 58:24 Um she was on a show like this, so I'm just gonna say the district. Dave 58:30 The district is not on our list. Clip 58:31 It'll be got to the moon. Richard 58:32 No, okay. Some like procedural back in the day, but Hmm. Dave 58:36 She was in way too many episodes of Spin City, Nashville, and Friday Nightlights. Clip 58:36 Like I want to walk to make a moment like a rock to make Don't give it a rocket. Sarah 58:37 Oh yeah. Tara 58:39 Right. Dave 58:40 One point answers such as Smilph, White Lotus. Sarah 58:40 Yeah. Tara 58:43 Oh, yes, Mills. Right. Dave 58:45 Ellen, American Crime Story. Those are all one point answers. Tara 58:48 Right. Dave 58:49 Two points. We got 911. Already guessed. Dear Edward, everybody's favorite show. Whoa. Tara 58:54 Wow, right season one. Dave 58:55 Our number one answer with only 13 episodes. American horror story. Yeah. All right. Clip 59:01 It's a big old candle. Dave 59:01 Donald Logue Sarah Deunting is our next actor. Tara 59:03 Oh, this is where it should start with Sarah, his number one fan. Dave 59:05 Here we go. Clip 59:05 Don't give a light. Dave 59:07 No three point answers. Clip 59:08 It's a big old tree. Dave 59:09 Our number one answer is in the three point bucket, otherwise. Something in the twenties. Sarah 59:14 I don't I don't know how long this lasted, and I should, because I was the only one who watched every episode, including people who were on it. So let's cross our fingers and hope that it was cancelled in a timely fashion. Clip 59:23 It's a big up to the boat. Sarah 59:27 Nights of Prosperity Well seek it Mhm. Dave 59:29 Nights of Prosperity, good guest, two points, thirteen episodes to Richard He was on Terriers. Clip 59:31 It's a big up to the boat. Richard 59:37 Was he on Terriers? Dave 59:40 Shout out Seakent. Tara 59:41 Sure was. Dave 59:41 Seakent's favorite show. Terriers. Number one Terriers fan in the world. Tara 59:45 Uh-huh. Dave 59:45 Seakent. Also, 13 episodes. Tara 59:47 So same two points? Dave 59:49 Two points. Tara 59:49 Okay. Dave 59:50 Number one answer still in the board target. Tara 59:53 Yeah, I know he was in SVU for a while, so let's say that. Dave 59:56 SVU, only a one-point answer with nine episodes. Tara 59:58 Mm okay. Dave 1:00:00 All right, grounded for life in Gotham. I'm off the board because almost 191 episodes there. Tara 1:00:06 Yep. Dave 1:00:06 Tons of one-point answers here. Stumptown, Royal Pains, what we do in the shadows. Clip 1:00:09 Can't book and bar. Dave 1:00:11 Vikings. Tara 1:00:12 Hmm, right, sure. Dave 1:00:12 He was in Vikings for a bit. Sarah 1:00:14 Oh, yeah. Dave 1:00:14 He got the, what was it called? The Blood Eagle. Bad end for him there. Number one answer: 21 episodes of life. Tara 1:00:23 Oh, right. Sarah 1:00:23 Oh, yeah. Clip 1:00:23 Is a makeup I'm on, like, I want to rock. Dave 1:00:25 Title that would just melt out of your brain as soon as that show ended. Sarah 1:00:25 Okay. Tara 1:00:27 Yep. Sarah 1:00:28 Mm-hmm, yeah. Dave 1:00:28 All right, Richard, start us off with Jane Lynch. Jane Lynch. Richard 1:00:34 Oh god. Um Shane Lynch. Dave 1:00:37 So many one-point answers here. Richard 1:00:38 I don't know. Dave 1:00:39 Holy moly. Richard 1:00:39 I'm gonna say Becker Perhaps she's sort of the male Ted Danson. Clip 1:00:42 I'm on, like, I want to rock It'll be going to the moon. Dave 1:00:42 Becker! Becker! Was she in Becker? Looks like she wasn't in Becker. Tara 1:00:50 But it seems like she would. I I see what you're doing. Dave 1:00:51 Absolutely seems like she could have been a Becker. Richard 1:00:52 Yeah. Clip 1:00:53 It's a week up to the moon. Dave 1:00:54 All right, so we're moving on to Tara. Tara 1:00:56 I mean, I hope she did this in more than one episode. She was a therapist on Two and a Half Men? Clip 1:00:58 I want to just go back to the magic. Dave 1:01:01 Two and a half men is good for two points. Tara 1:01:04 Okay. Dave 1:01:05 She was in fourteen episodes of that show. Clip 1:01:06 I want to just go back to the magic I want to let out It's a big hole to the boat. Tara 1:01:07 No, okay. Dave 1:01:07 Yep. Tara 1:01:08 Sarah, don't say Dawson's Creek. She was only in one. Sarah 1:01:10 I I wasn't going to. I was going to say only murders in the building. Dave 1:01:14 Only murders in the building is also a two-point answer. Tara 1:01:18 Nice Mhm. Dave 1:01:19 10 episodes. All right, so obviously glee off the table. 121 episodes. Tara 1:01:23 Yeah. Dave 1:01:24 Notable one points: The Good Fight, Seventh Heaven, Boston Legal, Space Force, Judging Amy, Tween Fest. What the fuck is that? Tara 1:01:33 That sounds like something you get on a list if you watch it. Richard 1:01:36 I told them not to air that show. Dave 1:01:38 New adventures of old Christine Tara, the West Wing. Sarah 1:01:39 Yeah. Tara 1:01:40 Yeah. Dave 1:01:40 All right, two-point answers. The marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Angel from Hell. Tara 1:01:43 Mhm. Oh, yeah. Sarah 1:01:47 Sure Oh right, Wow. Dave 1:01:47 Criminal Minds. Tara 1:01:48 Uh-huh. Dave 1:01:49 Three possible five-point answers, all at 15 episodes. Tara 1:01:51 Wow, really. Clip 1:01:52 It's a big hole to the boat. Tara 1:01:53 Okay. Dave 1:01:53 Easy to assemble. Tara 1:01:55 Nope. Dave 1:01:55 I've always said that about Jane Lynch. The L word. Tara 1:01:59 Uh. Dave 1:01:59 And party down. Tara 1:02:01 Party down, damn it, of course. Dave 1:02:01 Fifteen episodes. Yeah. All right, Tara, start us off with Toby Huss. Tara 1:02:08 Oh, my God. Clip 1:02:08 Come to the boat, we'll have a bar. Dave 1:02:10 As you would guess, tons of WogPoint answers here. Tara 1:02:12 Yeah. Dave 1:02:13 Not a lot in the other buckets. Tara 1:02:15 Did he do few enough of this? I'm just going to take a shot. Halt and catch fire. Dave 1:02:19 Halt and catch fire. Looking, looking, looking. Why don't I see it? It halt and catch fire. 40 episodes, 10 too many. No points. All right, Sarah, Toby Huss, The Huss, The Hustler, Huss Avocado. Tara 1:02:35 The Hustler The Lost Huss, now streaming on Apple TV Plus. Sarah 1:02:44 I mean, I'm tempted to just. Clip 1:02:45 Cause I may come to the bone and my baby. Sarah 1:02:47 I feel like I remember him on X show, but I'm not totally sure. Clip 1:02:49 I won't go out to make them out of my baby. Dave 1:02:49 Uh-huh. Sarah 1:02:51 So I guess I have to just Uh hold my nose and say Chad Powers. Clip 1:02:56 I want to move like I want to see a rock. Dave 1:02:57 Chad Powers Yeah, that is correct. Tara 1:03:00 I think he's in three, but two of them may not have aired yet. Clip 1:03:03 I want to move like I want to see a rock. Dave 1:03:06 So one point answer at this moment in time. No points. Tara 1:03:09 Okay, sorry. Dave 1:03:10 Richard, five-point answer is still on the board. There's also one three-point answer. Richard 1:03:13 Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm just gonna went in doubt law and order. Dave 1:03:18 Law and order. Richard 1:03:20 Gotta be one in there, right? No, damn it. Dave 1:03:24 Nope. No law and order. Tara 1:03:26 How many glows did he do? Dave 1:03:26 All right. Glow, let's see. Sarah 1:03:28 Oh, right, glow. Dave 1:03:29 Four for glow. That would have got you one point. Tara 1:03:31 Right. Dave 1:03:32 Let's see. Highlights here. Oh, Tara, your favorite show, Bookie. Tara 1:03:35 Oh, great. Really? I don't remember him in that even once. Never mind more than once. Dave 1:03:39 Your other favorite show, Brockmeyer. Tara 1:03:42 Oh, sure. Dave 1:03:43 Brooklyn 9-9, two episodes, whole bunch of two. Tara 1:03:45 Hmm. Dave 1:03:45 News Radio, three episodes. Playing the security guard downstairs with Tone Loke. Tara 1:03:47 Mm-hmm. Right, right. Yeah. Dave 1:03:51 He was in two episodes of The Riches. Tara 1:03:52 Okay, what's his number one? Dave 1:03:53 Coming back. All right. Hang on. Tara 1:03:55 All right, I'm sorry. Dave 1:03:56 Boy, oh boy. Pushy. Reno 911, 19 episodes. Clip 1:03:59 Cause I make a clean Cook a book, I'm the ball. Dave 1:04:00 That would have got you two points. Carnaval is our three-point answer, a twenty-four. Sarah 1:04:03 Oh, okay. Tara 1:04:03 Sure. Dave 1:04:05 Twenty-nine episodes of Dickinson was our first best answer. Tara 1:04:07 Dickens and damn it. Sarah 1:04:09 I was gonna guess Mindhunter because he just has that look like he'd be in that, but. Tara 1:04:12 He really does. Dave 1:04:12 Yeah. All right, Sarah, you can start us off with Clancy Brown going down to Browntown with Clancy Brown. Sarah 1:04:14 He wasn't, I guess. Clip 1:04:18 I want to like a rocket to make a moment of activity Come to the book, we'll come to my dishes to work. Sarah 1:04:19 Okay, nope, you're fired. Dave 1:04:22 Going to Clancy Town with Clancy Brown. Sarah 1:04:23 Clancy Oh, boy, Clancy Brown. Dave 1:04:25 I'm going to edit up that first part. It's going to make no sense. Okay. I can let you know that he's been to nothing over thirty times on TV. Sarah 1:04:38 I feel like my brain is just emptying of the things that I know. Like, again, here we are. I can picture him in the scene, but then everyone else in it. It's like that black mirror. Episode where the things are just pixelated. Dave 1:04:52 Sure as shooting. Sarah's got scene blindness. Sarah 1:04:55 Yeah, it's true. Clip 1:04:56 I want to like I want to rock don't like I want to rock It's a makeup to the mark. Sarah 1:04:57 I do. Um, stalling Uh still tip top, sharp as attack. Uh, let's try Castle Rock. Dave 1:05:03 Yep. Castle Rock. Is that just a guess on his face? Tara 1:05:09 Yeah. Dave 1:05:10 Okay. Tara 1:05:11 I assume. Dave 1:05:12 Yeah. All right. Tara 1:05:13 Okay. Dave 1:05:13 To Richard, Clancy Brown. Richard 1:05:16 Tween fours. Uh no. Um he was on Deadwood, wasn't he? Dave 1:05:20 Deadwood. No, he was not on Deadwood. Tara 1:05:22 What? That seems like he really would have. Dave 1:05:24 Yeah, he's got a face for it. Sarah 1:05:24 He should have been. Dave 1:05:25 Absolutely. All right, no points so far. So obviously, five-point answer is still in the board, Tara. Clip 1:05:29 It's a big up to the boat. Tara 1:05:29 Good cop, bad cop. Dave 1:05:30 Good cop, bad cop, only eight episodes. Tara 1:05:33 Mhm. Dave 1:05:33 So only one point there. Tara 1:05:35 Okay. Dave 1:05:35 Anybody want to take a second guess just for shits and giggles? Clip 1:05:36 It's a big up to the boat. Tara 1:05:37 And Gin V, but I know it wasn't more than eight. Richard 1:05:39 Was he on Fargo? Dave 1:05:40 He's not on Fargo. Tara 1:05:41 Huh. Dave 1:05:41 Gen V, only two episodes. Clip 1:05:42 Like a rocket to make a moment of rock and make a clean, King of Greenbo and Barry and Mondo. Sarah 1:05:42 Fringe Oh, right. Tara 1:05:43 Yeah. Dave 1:05:44 Fringe, no, not Fringe. Notable shows here. ER, seven episodes. Tara 1:05:49 Now Uh-huh. Dave 1:05:50 Sleepy Hollow, six episodes, Sarah. Sarah 1:05:52 Oh, fuck. Dave 1:05:53 Seventeen episodes of Billions Three point answer for twenty one episodes of Earth Two Number one answer, just mention Carnival, twenty four episodes All right. Tara 1:05:59 Whoa. Yeah. Ah, I almost said that. That was the first thing I thought. Sarah 1:06:06 That bitch, goddammit. Tara 1:06:07 Fuck. And then I forgot it immediately. Dave 1:06:08 We're almost at the end of the game. Tara 1:06:10 Okay. Dave 1:06:10 We've got four questions left. We'll do a little score break after this one. Richard, lead us off with Gary Cole. Gary Cole. Clip 1:06:18 I don't want to go, yeah. Dave 1:06:18 Name a show that he's been in under 30 times. Clip 1:06:19 I want to get a rock. Richard 1:06:21 Entourage Lawn order S V U. Clip 1:06:21 Cause I'm gonna go ahead and walk. Dave 1:06:22 Entourage will get you two points. Clip 1:06:25 I don't wanna go, I wanna get a rock. Dave 1:06:25 He was in 12 episodes of Entourage. Sarah 1:06:27 Wow, nice. Tara 1:06:28 Okay. Dave 1:06:28 Good answer. Clip 1:06:29 Is a member to the book and the woman is a man to the boat. Dave 1:06:29 All right, Tatar. Tara 1:06:30 The good fight. Dave 1:06:31 The good fight is our number one answer worth five points. He was in 24 episodes of The Good Fight. Tara 1:06:38 Okay. Dave 1:06:39 There's a couple shows in the three point bucket still, Sarah D. Clip 1:06:41 Like I wouldn't make a move like I would make Don't turn up, we won't come. Dave 1:06:42 Bunting, and they are both right behind the Good Fights numbers. Sarah 1:06:46 Don't know how often he was in this television programme, so let's hope he was not in every episode of Veep Webs Oh, okay. Dave 1:06:54 Veep fifty five too many good wife fourteen Our three-point answers left on the board were American Gothic, 22 episodes, also 22 episodes for the West Wing. Tara 1:06:56 Mm. I wasn't sure about that one either. Right. Clip 1:07:06 Even we don't chill out. Tara 1:07:08 Oh yeah. Hmm. Dave 1:07:13 West Wing. Clip 1:07:13 It's a big dungeon. Tara 1:07:14 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave 1:07:14 All right. Sarah 1:07:14 Oh, yeah. Dave 1:07:15 Three questions left. Let's get the scores. Tara 1:07:17 Okay, it's pretty close. Sarah has twenty, Richard has twenty one, I have twenty nine. Dave 1:07:23 All right, let's get back to it. Tari, gonna lead us off with Ann Dowd. Tara 1:07:28 Okay. Clip 1:07:28 There's a bag of creepable cuts. Tara 1:07:29 Sure. Was she in 30 episodes of this? Probably. Leftovers. Dave 1:07:35 That is our five-point answer, twenty-one episodes. We've got one in the three-point bucket, one in the two-point bucket, and a bunch in the one-point bucket. Sarah and Dowd. Sarah 1:07:45 A Handmaid's Tale Oh, wow, okay. Dave 1:07:47 Handmaid's Tale is good for zero points. Tara 1:07:50 Ah, that's the one I was thinking was probably over thirty. Dave 1:07:51 Fifty episodes of the Handmaid's Tale. Tara 1:07:54 Yeah. Dave 1:07:54 Yeah, she loves putting women under her thumb. Tara 1:07:57 She survived right until the series finale, too, amazingly. Dave 1:08:01 All right, Richard and Dowd. Lotton order SVU is good for one point. She was in three episodes of that, four episodes of Original Raised Pizza. Tara 1:08:12 Yeah. Dave 1:08:12 Also, two episodes of Freaks and Geeks. Good behavior was the two point answer. Tara 1:08:16 Oh, yeah, with Michelle Dockery. Dave 1:08:19 Nothing sacred was her three point answer. Tara 1:08:21 Oh, okay. Sarah 1:08:22 Ha. Dave 1:08:22 All right, Sarah, start us off with Giancarlo Esposito. Sarah 1:08:26 I hope he sneaks under, breaking bad. Dave 1:08:28 Breaking bad. Tara 1:08:28 Yeah. Clip 1:08:28 Is a big old town. Dave 1:08:30 Five point answer. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me All right, Richard, five point answer is off the board. We got two shows worth three points. Clip 1:08:35 Cause I make a whole I'm on the light, I want to take a rock. Dave 1:08:38 A whole bunch of shows worth two points, and a mess of shows worth one point. Richard 1:08:43 Sorry, what did Sarah say? Sarah say? Dave 1:08:44 Sarah said breaking bad. Richard 1:08:46 Okay. Clip 1:08:47 I'm on the moonlight, I want to take a rock It's a big coming to the book. Richard 1:08:49 Oh, God, I'm drawing a complete blank here. He is on a I don't know. Dave 1:08:56 Show called The Following Silo! Tara 1:08:57 That is the following. Clip 1:08:58 It's a big coming to the book. Richard 1:08:58 Up s uh silo. I don't know. Dave 1:09:02 He played the silo, but it was uncredited. Sarah 1:09:03 I wish, yeah, I might have watched that. Dave 1:09:05 Sorry, he's standing very still. Richard 1:09:06 It's he's implied on the show. Dave 1:09:10 All right, no points from Richard there, so we are back to Tara. Tara 1:09:13 The boys okay. Dave 1:09:14 The Boys is good for the number of points. That is two. 11 episodes of The Boys. Too many episodes for Better Call Saul, 38. Tara 1:09:24 Right. Dave 1:09:25 A whole he was in the Mandalorian for nine, Sesame Street for nine. Tara 1:09:28 Oh, yeah, right. Clip 1:09:28 Is a big old colour. Sarah 1:09:29 All right. Tara 1:09:30 Whoa, okay. Dave 1:09:31 Yeah. Sarah 1:09:31 Oh, great. Dave 1:09:32 Grip looking looking look the the dollarstein treat 12 episodes remember that the street no don't remember that that was a yeah dollarstein treat Homicide, Life on the Street, 22 episodes. Clip 1:09:35 It's a big old colour. Tara 1:09:37 Uh-huh. Sarah 1:09:37 Oh, yeah, sure. Tara 1:09:39 Nope. Clip 1:09:39 I'm on the light, I'm a ticket, I'm a little bit more ticket or a little bit of a bunch of people. Sarah 1:09:40 Yeah. Tara 1:09:41 Oh, the street, yes, yes. Dave 1:09:46 Godfather of Harlem, 21 episodes. Those are your three-point bucket answers. Sarah 1:09:49 Okay. Clip 1:09:50 Is a big old is a big old Working to make a city, like a big King of the world. Dave 1:09:51 All right. Sarah 1:09:51 All right. Dave 1:09:52 Starting off with Richard. John Carroll Lynch is your actor. John Carroll Lynch. Richard 1:09:59 Oh boy. Dave 1:09:59 This is a real range of shows here in the Mind hunters, BBDBDB DBBDB Doop does look like not. Richard 1:10:03 I want uh Mind Hunters was he on that? No, he's not. Plays a serial killer in something. Dave 1:10:10 All right, target He was in thirty episodes plus forty-four more. Tara 1:10:12 He's in Zodiac. Richard 1:10:13 Oh, that's what I'm thinking of. Tara 1:10:15 I don't know if he was in 30 episodes of this, but I'm going to take a shot anyway. The Drew Carey Show. Wow, that's a lot. Dave 1:10:25 All right, Sarah, best answer is still on the board, but I gotta be honest with you, I've never heard of it. Sarah 1:10:31 Okay, great. Dave 1:10:32 But he's in 29 episodes of it. Sarah 1:10:35 Okay. Um, hmm. Dave 1:10:36 You may have heard of it. Sounds like sounds the title sounds like a Sarah show. Sarah 1:10:41 No raisins allowed. Colon criminal intent. Dave 1:10:45 What Criminal intent? Sarah 1:10:48 My actual answer is I just don't have an actual answer, so let's go with Law and Order original race. Dave 1:10:49 Oh, yeah, okay. Clip 1:10:50 Cause I may come to my baby. I won't go out to make them It's a big up to the book. Dave 1:10:57 Law and order original rays is worth the following number of points zero. Tara 1:11:05 He was in American Horror Story, but I don't know if it was more than okay. Sarah 1:11:08 Oh, yeah. Dave 1:11:08 18 episodes. That would have got you two points. Sarah 1:11:10 Clown boy, right. Dave 1:11:11 Sarah D. Bunding, for one point, you could have said your favorite show ever. Turn Washington Spies. Tara 1:11:16 No, Oh body of evidence is Madonna. Sarah 1:11:18 Oh, wow. Dave 1:11:19 12 episodes of Carnival is back. Clip 1:11:20 It's a big up to the boat. Dave 1:11:22 You guys should be guessing 10 episodes of Ballard. Sarah 1:11:24 Oh, that's where I remember him from recently. Dave 1:11:26 29 episodes. Number one answer: Body of Proof. Isn't that a Madonna movie? Sarah 1:11:33 Yeah, it is. Dave 1:11:33 No, buddy. Okay. Tara 1:11:36 Yes, Dana Delaney is body of proof. Dave 1:11:38 All right. We're actually going to cut this one. We will divide this in two and play the second in the future. So, that is regulation. I need those scores. Tara 1:11:48 Okay. Richard finished with twenty two, Sarah had twenty five, I had thirty-six. Dave 1:11:54 Ooh, all right. Nicely done. Sarah 1:11:55 Wow, yeah. Dave 1:11:56 Well played. Great format. Tara 1:11:57 Yeah, that's really fun. Dave 1:11:57 I really enjoyed this one a lot. I'm glad we have enough to play it again. He did some extras, so I'll cull through those, see if we can get another. 21 game going here. Tara 1:12:05 Sweet. Dave 1:12:05 All right. Today belongs to Tara. Clip 1:12:13 Tara Tara We're listening. Dave 1:12:16 All right. Thank you, Mike, for that again. Well, that's it for another episode of Extra Hawk Gray. Sarah 1:12:20 Oh, no, please, please, no. Dave 1:12:22 I hope you enjoyed this episode, Sarah D. Bunting. We talked about Bonster. Before going around the dial, the stops at Law and Order in Toronto, Only Connect, and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. I like the one where they turned into Vulcans. The Traders Australia got into the canon. We crowned winners and losers of the week, and Tara was the winner of this week's game time from Mike. Next up, on extra, extra hot rate, it's Boots. Remember. I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tar Ariano. Tara 1:12:56 I did wonder when I came here what I'd do to win, and it turns out dig through cow shit. Dave 1:13:02 Sarah D. Bunting and Richard Lawson. Sarah 1:13:04 I am a faithful and a dumb one. Richard 1:13:08 Thanks for having me. Dave 1:13:10 You're welcome. I'm glad you can make it. Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time right here on Extra Hot Gray. Sarah 1:13:16 Guys, stop it. Clip 1:13:17 Does it taste like food? Richard 1:13:23 So vile. Sarah 1:13:24 So wrong