Is Too Much Not Enough, Or Just Right?

Clip: [00:00] And for what it's worth, I mean, I know that you don't have bangs. You have long layers, obviously. Yeah. And you created this amazing company. And I love Dark Angel. It was a really influential show for me. I wanted to be a bike messenger after a while. Really? Dave: [00:18] This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 571 for the week of July 14th, 2025. I am Singed Nightie David T. Cole, and I'm here with Home Invader, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [00:36] I've had like one alcohol. Dave: [00:38] Dissatisfied client Tara Ariano and Astrid the Dog's nightgown Maris Kreizman. Tara: [00:41] I'm the client. Maris: [00:46] She can't be naked. Tara: [00:52] Welcome to Extra Hot Great. For another week, joining us for the second time. She is a podcaster, a newsletterer, and an author. Please welcome back Maris Kreisman. Tara: [01:06] Welcome back, Maris. Maris: [01:07] Thank you. It's so nice to be here and see all your smiling faces. Tara: [01:12] It's lovely to have you as well to talk about too much. In which, on the other side of a breakup that required her to leave a shared apartment, Jessica Megan Stalter has moved into her grandmother's house on Long Island with her mother, Rita Wilson. her sister, Lena Dunham, her nephew, Oliver Nirenberg, and of course the grandmother herself, Rhea Perlman. This mopey crone house has dulled Jessica's former sparkle and made her matt. At least according to her ex-brother-in-law, Jameson, Andrew Rannels, also her colleague in TV commercial production. He suggests a move to London to work on a big Christmas commercial and the random pub Jessica hits up on her first night in town happens to be the one where Felix, Will Sharp, is playing with his band. Once they've had their meet cute in the bog, that's British slang, their rom-com can proceed. The show was co-created by girls star and creator Lena Dunham and her husband Louis Feldber, loosely based on the story of their own relationship. Dunham wrote or co-wrote all the episodes and directed most of them. All ten episodes dropped on Netflix July 10th. We may talk about events from any of them. Let's do the Chen check-in, Maris. Should our listeners watch too much? Maris: [02:21] Yes, all of it. Get past the pilot, I would say. Like it just gets better. Tara: [02:26] Sarah Dave Okay. Dave: [02:29] Not my type of show, but it's well constructed. And if you like these type of characters, you're going get a lot of them. Tara: [02:40] Let's drill down a little. I feel like there's a lot below the surface that we need to discuss. I feel like even people who are fans of Lena Dunham have to concede she has possibly become a figure so polarizing, it's impossible to engage with her work without having all of her stuff top of mind. Maris, does Lena Dunham have a shot with you or not? Sounds like yes. Maris: [03:01] Yes, and you, I was really nervous going in about how she would treat the dog stuff. The dog situation really got me. And And I was pleasantly surprised. Tara: [03:11] Mm-hmm. What were you expecting when you heard that she was doing a new show? And was it was it this? Maris: [03:17] You know, I've always admired her. I've liked her work. It's a lot of the other stuff, the off-camera stuff, that I'm less. Interested in. I am one of those people who went back to watch girls after people were saying, like, this is actually comedic genius. And we didn't give it enough credit at the time. I see it. So I was expecting something a little vulgar, a little funny, with a great soundtrack, and I got it. Tara: [03:44] Yeah, Sarah, knowing you well, I don't think there was ever a danger you were gonna get on board with this show, but putting Meg Stalter in Happy Valley drag in the literal second shot of the series premiere, you you can't say they didn't try. Sarah: [03:50] No, there really wasn't. They definitely did try, and uh I had to recap Girls' first couple seasons. Maris: [04:02] Oh, that'll do it. Sarah: [04:03] For work, and so my relationship with that, like that well is poisoned, and it's not really anybody's. Fault. I do think that girls was perhaps undersung or underappreciated in its time. I think maybe Dunham herself is like not given enough shit currently. For various reasons. And Tara's review, which was excellent and sort of made its terms clear, like you have to put aside the dunham of it all so that you can appreciate the dunham of it all in this show. Like, it's a. It's a difficult needle to thread both in the critique and for the actual product. And there was a lot of like good Stuff here, and I laughed a couple of times, but it's just too much, and I can't separate it. That doesn't mean it's bad, and it doesn't mean other people shouldn't try and might not have a good experience putting aside all of the baggage with her. I was not able to do it. And there were a couple of like, like in the premiere episode, which I agree you should push through at least to see if it's for you. You know, you're in a poly cool with two people named Cody, and just that it was in Bushwick. I was like, this is a very 2019 joke that we're standing back from to smell it. This is the kind of thing that I can't with when I say that I can't with her. So that's where I was at. Dave: [05:29] Is there a word for like hipster twee? Like that's that was my sort of like problem at the base level with this show as it interacts with my TV watching mind. And that's what I mean when I say, like, if you're into that sort of mood and vibe, this show, I believe, will provide you with it in spades. The influencer of it all, you know, like a lot of the plotlines revolve around influencers, wholesale influencers within the commercial direction business, or whatever she's in. It's my kryptonite. I really just hate everything about that and the way it's portrayed. And maybe it's accurate, but I find it the opposite of entertaining. I find it like I just like, it makes me want to run away. Sarah: [06:12] Hm yeah, yeah. Dave: [06:12] But it's well done. So that's like the yin and yang of this, you know, pulling me and pushing me at the same time. Because I never watched girls, but the few episodes that we've watched. For this podcast, the one where What's Her Nuts is in Japan? Tara: [06:27] Shoshana. Dave: [06:27] Thank you. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was clever. I thought it was funny. I thought it was tight, which really surprised me. I thought they did a lot with a little time. So, like, I wasn't against this on principle. I just found it a lot. And the lead actress, the younger Lian Dunham replacement here, she's a lot as well. Tara: [06:48] Yeah, I'm Well, let's talk about her because Dave, I know you're like me. Dave: [06:49] I mean her character. Yeah. Tara: [06:54] Stalter's performance as Kayla in Hacks has been something that you endure to watch the show. Dave: [06:59] It's the character I endure. And it's the fact that in hacks, her plotline has come and gone, and they've just kept her around, which is a sin of a lot of shows. Tara: [07:09] Yeah. I wasn't sure that she could do this, but as Sarah said, I did review it and I thought she could. Marisa, you're nodding. What are your thoughts on her as an actor? Maris: [07:17] I agree. In the first couple of seasons of Hacks, I wasn't that into the character that she was playing. And I think she's grown as an actress since then. And even in this past season, She's doing more in hacks. And I think in the first episode, I was trying to kind of get used to the fact that she was delivering Lena Dunham lines in a not Lena Dunham cadence. Tara: [07:41] Yeah. Maris: [07:41] And that was very confusing for me. And then, as the show continues on, everybody I feel like just gets a little bit more comfortable with what's happening. Tara: [07:52] Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'd agree with that. Sarah: [07:54] Yeah, she gave me this is like a pretty left field observation, but it was in my notes, and here we all are together. She was giving me this like Merit Weaver vibe in the sense that, like, your sort of first contact with Merit Weaver maybe was like. This self-effacing/slash self-loathing, wry, funny person. But then, once the industry was like, oh, Merit Weaver can do whatever. You give her. They started to give her a lot more stuff. And I would like to see Megan Stalter in, like, a, I don't even know, like a true crime docudrama or something like that where she's playing like a tireless detective. On some cold case, that it's like, let's just see how she does when awkward is not like the first word in the deck. So I I mean, I thought her performance was good, although it was a little disconcerting to have dunham lines and stalter cadence. But I mean, you get used to it. I thought it was well cast, this show. Tara: [08:53] I agree. Dave: [08:54] Speaking about analogs, though, is Will Sharp Adam Driver? Because he looks a lot like Adam Driver. Tara: [08:59] Kind of. Sarah: [09:00] Yeah, kind of. Tara: [09:01] I mean, I think he's supposed to be the husband who is a musician, the guy that she co-created the show with, but you know, of course, fictionalized air quotes, air quotes. Dave: [09:09] We we all have types. Tara: [09:10] Sure. Well, the thing about a straight rom-com is the female lead can be almost any kind of woman, you know? She can be loud or mousy or type A or ADHD or whatever, but the guy has to be. Aspirationally appealing. And for me, Will Sharp and his tousled hair are definitely adorable enough, but did they give him too much realism in his messiness? Maris: [09:32] He was way more messy than I had anticipated. And I think it's a really interesting choice for him to, and this is a spoiler alert a little bit. To not resolve much of his messiness, to really leave it unclear as to whether his messiness will continue and still get a happy ending. And I hope that was on purpose and is meant to be subversive. Sarah: [09:58] Yeah, I think he was cast well so that the writing could sort of like not give you that Quite aspirational, like you know, this is like a sort of rated R mess. They don't like try to pull it back to a hallmark level, but the performance lets you kind of resolve that pattern recognition. For lack of a better term, that it's like you sort of on paper, it's like, well, this is too much, and she should not, this is going to be a waste of time. But then the performance is like, well, you get it. Like, this is life. That that's how charm works. It sands off those edges for you. Dave: [10:34] If this was years ago, this would have been a Joseph Gordon Levitt Gordon role. Tara: [10:39] Yes, yes. Dave: [10:40] Yeah. Tara: [10:41] I'll say this for Will Sharp though, from like White Lotus to a real pain to this, like that's a pretty impressive range. Those are very, very different. Sarah: [10:49] Mhm. Tara: [10:50] Three really different performances. Sarah: [10:51] Yeah. Dave: [10:51] Did did I just call him Joseph Levengorded? Tara: [10:54] Maybe, but we knew what he meant. Dave: [10:55] I think I did. Tara: [11:00] He just sent me a solicitation to vote for some guy in the Senate race in New Hampshire, and it's fully with a photo and the email blast of him from 500 Days of Summer. Like, that was 2009, buddy. Maris: [11:10] Oh boy. Sarah: [11:10] I know. Tara: [11:11] Contemporize. Anyway. I digress. A rom-com also needs a meet-cute, preferably an original one. I would say first contact happening near a toilet stopped up and topped with the yellowest pee I have ever seen is a new one to me. Sarah: [11:25] Yeah. Dave: [11:26] They're just not hydrating in Britain. Tara: [11:28] No, it's true. Sarah: [11:28] I was gonna say, Jesus, go to your nephrologist, London. Dave: [11:28] That's their problem. Tara: [11:28] They're not well. Dave: [11:29] Yeah. Maris: [11:30] No hydration. Dave: [11:33] Forgot about bog roll that that was slang over there for toilet paper. Tara: [11:35] Uh-huh. Yeah. Dave: [11:39] I might start using bog roll. I found it delightfully disgusting. Sarah: [11:42] I definitely have started using Bogroll, so if the show gave me nothing else. Tara: [11:46] Mm-hmm. Maris: [11:47] And it it's very much the can you spare a square? But for the rom-com, which I think actually does lend a little bit of the Judaism to it, Rhea Perlman is the grandmother character, was hoping that her granddaughter would watch more. Films that didn't feature goys, and this was Jewish, I felt. Tara: [12:09] I also like the soap bit where he's like, no, you can just rub soap into your hands. And she's like, no, you can't. Anyway. Emily Radikowski is Wendy, who is Jessica's ex's new girlfriend, a knitting influencer. It's a hilarious casting choice. She actually turns out to be pretty great. And even though they established that she uses a machine, Sarah, your thoughts on Emily Radikowski as a knitter, as a knitter yourself. Sarah: [12:34] That is absolutely the kind of influencer that you're like, there's absolutely no way you got one of those fucking machines to work because they don't work. But that casting was perfect. Tara: [12:45] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [12:45] That, like, you look at her and you're like, I want to believe. Tara: [12:48] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [12:49] But, like, instead of a spaceship, it's like a giant ball of yarn. I thought that she did a really good job with like that influencer content content that gives Dave like the itchies. Dave: [13:00] Yeah. The itchies, yes, thank you. Sarah: [13:03] Yeah, I don't I don't love it either because it's like such low-hanging fruit. And also, like making fun of it in this manner has not made it go away. So, can we just skip it? But she really committed to just being like, let's, you know, have a Xanax and talk about this. And I think that the casting was extremely well considered and might be My favorite thing about this project that I'm not going to continue watching, but this did feel a lot more thoughtful and slightly less performative than Dunham projects often do. So That made me laugh. Like the little mini montage of like her, like everything is a tube top, and you're just like, Yeah, damn it. Tara: [13:45] Mm-hmm. Well, also, Marison, when we get to the flashback episode of how she and Zev got together, and we see her in her like Brooklyn Norm Core, just hideous from head-to-toe outfit. The skinny privilege of her just walking around in those like Meryl clogs or whatever the fuck. It's like. Well, that's someone that Maris has seen every day for the past ten years. Maris: [14:08] Oh yeah, I know this person. Sarah: [14:09] Yeah mm. Maris: [14:12] I even just love the drag raceisms. Tara: [14:15] Mhm. Maris: [14:16] It's giving psychotic. Tara: [14:17] Yeah. Maris: [14:20] I think she's really funny. I didn't expect her to be so funny. Tara: [14:23] Yes, she's good. And Michael Zeegan is the ex. Oof. Bad week for Jack Antonoff when everyone got to know this guy. It's like Not Jack Antonoff, but not Jack Antonoff. Sarah: [14:31] Yeah. Tara: [14:34] Anyway, let's wrap it up with. I'm going to say the best reason to watch the show if you're on the fence is probably the London co-workers who were very funny and weird. There's Leah Reich, Ginnick Zabravo, and Richard E. Grant as the boss. They were all very, very good. Maris, you're pro. What's your best reason to watch the show? And then we'll close with the haters. Maris: [14:54] It's yeah, it it's the chemistry between Jess and Felix, yes, but also The chemistry of the, I call them the Dunham family, the family that just left back on Long Island, and the dysfunctional work family. Tara: [15:04] Yeah. Mm-hmm. Maris: [15:09] I think it's just a lot of enjoyable performances. Clip: [15:17] We've got a lot of shows. It's a great time for shows. Dave: [15:22] It is time to go around the dial talking about things we've been watching on TV recently, not necessarily recent TV. We start, as always, with Tara. What do you got? Tara: [15:31] Well, for probably strike-related reasons, FX on Hulu split up the third season of American Horror Stories into two parts. The first four dropped at the end of October in 2023. The back five dropped almost one full year later. They're acting like this is just one season. I guess I have to as well. Our latest podcasting break was when I finally decided to watch these last five episodes. So, here's my ranking of those for anyone else who has also been sitting on them or possibly never knew they even came out. And as a reminder. This is American Horror Stories, plural, the more Twilight Zone slash Black Mirrory anthology show. Fifth place. Season 3, Episode 8, Leprechaun. Jessica Barden is in two episodes this season. She's also in the premiere, Bestie. I'm not saying it's because she's married to executive producer Max Winkler, but I don't think it hurts. She's not my favorite. She's mostly in the background as the manager of the bank that her character's boyfriend and his dirtbag buddies are planning to heist. But as the title suggests, there's more to the gold bars they're planning to steal than they think. The criminals are all very uncharismatic and it mostly takes place in the dark, which is not cinematic. It's just hard to see. Fourth. Season 3, episode 7. X said at a decrepit hospital. Patient who is in severe distress appears in a hallway without any legible ID. A young nurse is determined to figure out what's happening and how it relates to the chief of oncology, played by Jessica Barden's father-in-law, Henry Winkler. Could not be less of a spoiler to say, as soon as you meet Winkler's sweetie of a character, you know he's going to be a villain. Also, this was shot in black and white, even though it's set in the present day. It's a pretentious choice, never really justifies itself. Strong ending, though. In the middle is season three, episode nine: The Thing Under the Bed. Debbie Ryan plays a woman who has had terrible nightmares her whole life, but not everything is in her head. There is a thing under her bed, and it does take her husband. Jeff Hiller, recent Emmy nominee for the last season of Somebody Somewhere, woo! He also appears. And Matthew Del Negro Sarah plays the detective investigating the husband's disappearance. I never predicted where this one was going to go. It will remind you why you cannot dangle a finger. Foot over the edge of your bed when you sleep, unless you want to die in a monster attack, Dave. Dave: [17:44] Look, putting your foot outside of the sheets is how you regulate your temperature properly when it's hot underneath. Tara: [17:51] Outside the sheets is fine. I'm saying dangling over the edge, which you do. Dave: [17:54] When have I ever done that? I don't do that. I'm not a crazy person. Tara: [17:57] No, you do that. Dave: [17:58] My legs aren't long enough to do that. I'm a short person. Let's be real here. Tara: [18:02] You angle runner-up of the season, season three, episode six, clone. Victor Garber plays David, a tech billionaire, with a much younger boyfriend named John, who's played by Guy Burnett from Counterpart. When David has a stroke, turns out he has had a plan in place for his incapacitation that John never knew about but is expected to participate in. I won't say more without spoiling it. I know the Garber heads are curious. So if you want to just watch this one, it's fine and would be rewarding. This is the most darkly funny episode. Garber is. So great. If you love him and you're curious, but a scaredy cat, it's very suspenseful, minimal gore. The best of the season three part two bunch is also the first season three, episode five, back rooms. It stars Michael Imperioli as Daniel, a very successful screenwriter whose young son has gone missing, and the key to figuring out what happened to him seems to involve Daniel entering unnerving liminal spaces through mysterious means. This was the creepiest one to me by far. And like the liminal spaces are just like a passageway and what looks like a weird hotel basement and a completely empty but very well-stocked supermarket. Like, I don't know how they did it, but they did. So creepy. Someone should win a production design Emmy for it. It's a good season. Even the worst episode is fine. And this spin-off continues to outshine the show that spawned it, in my opinion. But again, the Victor Garber one, because I know people in our listenership love him. That one is cloned. So check out just that one if you want. Dave: [19:29] What's the deal with the gold bars from the fifth ranked episode? Tara: [19:33] A leprecha cursed the town, and it's leprechaun gold. Dave: [19:36] Yes. All right, good. I knew there was something good there. I just, you know, had to. Tara: [19:40] Yeah. Okay, well, spoiler. Dave: [19:42] Yeah, spoiler, leprechaun, spoiler. Tara: [19:42] The lep it's not just a title. Dave: [19:44] Hoy, toy, toy, toy. Tara: [19:44] It's, yeah. For my plug, on a darker note. We recently had floods here in Texas, as you may have read about, and so I'm going to link to the Kerr County Flood Relief Fund. This is the main fund that has been serving the community. Launched by local people. It's been vetted and endorsed by our local NBC affiliates. So we'll link that in the show notes. If you can, they are still conducting searches. So they could use your help if you can give it. Dave: [20:11] All right, Maris, what have you been watching recently? Maris: [20:14] So I've been on book tour and flying all over the country and kind of just wary in general. And so I went back to a familiar favorite and I watched the first season of Veronica Mars while on book tour, and it was 100% the perfect thing to watch. Sarah: [20:29] Yes. Maris: [20:35] Forgot how just tightly written it all was. Each episode by episode is so satisfying. I'm happy to say that the jokes hold up, the fashions do not, and that's fun to watch. Season one just has the most essential mystery of Veronica Mars. And so, therefore, with every episode, something new is revealed, and it's Exciting and delightful. And it's fascinating now to watch Logan go from bully to love interest. Highly recommend a rewatch if you're a fan. Sarah: [21:12] Mhm. Agree. Dave: [21:14] Is it considered the best season, right? The first one? Sarah: [21:17] Yeah. Tara: [21:17] For sure. Dave: [21:17] Yeah, okay. Sarah: [21:17] Mhm. Maris: [21:18] Yeah, yeah. Dave: [21:18] Yeah. The question I got. Sarah: [21:19] Yeah. Dave: [21:19] Marison got a new collection of essays out. I want to burn this place down. Maris: [21:25] Yeah. Well, I think for you, you should know that the title comes from Mad Men. It's from the final season when Joan and Peggy are in a meeting. With new guys who are running their ad company who don't know what's happening and don't care. And when Joan and Peggy try to fill them in, they get comments about their boobs. Go figure. And so, in the elevator afterwards, Peggy says, So, should we get lunch? Trying to, you know, play it cool. And Joan, who always plays along and who is Never the one to complain about mistreatment, says, I want to burn this place down. And the book is very much about realizing that so many of the things I was striving for. Are so broken that it's not worth fixing them. Sarah: [22:13] I very much enjoyed the excerpt in Rolling Stone. Maris: [22:18] Thank you. Sarah: [22:18] about your propaganda enlightenment journey. Tara: [22:22] Yeah. Sarah: [22:23] I am eagerly awaiting the book from my library, but It's saying it's a 35-week wait, which I think is really something. Congratulations! Maris: [22:33] Thank you, cool. Sarah: [22:33] You're a 35-week wait. Good job. Dave: [22:36] So where can they pick this up? Where can they find out more? Maris: [22:38] You can go to my website, MarisKreisman. com. It's available wherever books are sold. I always Would ask that you go to your local indie or bookshop. org over the other choices, but that's your call. And you can also find me at Blue Sky at Maris. Dave: [22:57] Ooh, in on the ground floor. Five letter handle. Maris: [22:59] Yeah. Dave: [23:00] Congratulations. Maris: [23:01] Thank you. Sarah: [23:02] Wow. Dave: [23:05] Sarah, what do you got? Sarah: [23:06] Bubba Bubba Ballard. This is the latest planet in the Ba-ba-ba-ba-bashiverse. The titular detective Renee Ballard, played by Maggie Q, also has a book series by Michael Connolly, and I liked this show well enough. I will keep watching, but it is not quite up to the original, in my opinion. It's no fault of Maggie Q's. She is great. Many of her castmates are excellent, and sort of like lesser known phase of mine, John Carol Lynch. A fave of everyone's, as her former and sort of current partner, Courtney Taylor, as Samira Parker, another member of Ballard's Cold K Squad who shares a trauma with Ballard. It just feels a little more forced and a little less lived in than I'd like from something in this world. Evidently, this TV series starts several books into. The book series and much of the season's focus is on another former partner of Ballard and Parker's and their attempts to get anyone in the LEPD power structure to believe that he's a bad dude. This is a slight spoiler because the show does get right into it with this aspect of the investigation, but I'm not 100% that this set of franchises does. As well with the particular challenges of women and survivors of sexual assault as it does with a slightly more straightforward noir/slash corruption around a murder case story. It's like the writing is afraid it's not earnest enough on these topics. So you have some SVU-ish dialogue that, again, the cast can handle, but there's some tonal hesitancy here and a feeling that the show is concerned. with our knowing that it knows that all cops are bastards, and yet it's also bagging on citizen sleuths in the beginning. Bosch and Bosch Legacy seem to understand that although they were noir, they were also still copaganda, but that people are attracted to those stories when they're told well, and it moved with confidence through being a cop procedural. Ballard feels less secure in the value of its own procedural chops in a way that I just didn't feel in the original. Speaking of the original. Ba-ba-ba-ba-bash himself and various cohorts from elsewhere in the show's LAPD do reappear and cross paths with Ballard's heroes. Seeing Jamie Hector's J. Edgar made me sad all over again that that spin-off didn't go. It can feel a little fan service-y at times, but I did like those characters and they don't go too crazy with it. So, long story short, Bosch was like borderline A minus, strong B plus. Ballard is more like Borderline, Strong B, B. I will still watch it when it comes back, though. And for my plug. Support local reporting and independent journalism. ProPublica's reporting has maintained ethics and integrity the last couple of years that many one-time papers of record Have not. So you can check out their local reporting network either for headlines or to collaborate with them. They're always looking for people to do that, and you could donate to support their work. ProPublica. org. There will be a link in the show notes. Dave: [26:16] All right, before I get into what's coming up on our shows in the immediate future, it is time to talk about the ER draft results. That was our last episode in EHG Prime. We asked you all to vote on two things after Our draft with Sarah, Tara, and Laura. That was the best draft lineup from ER, but also From the same draft choices, which hospital is the most functional and therefore the one you would like to visit as a patient. So here are the results. The best ER Draft goes to Bezor Laura with 45% of the vote. Tara: [26:50] Woo Yeah, it was not close. Dave: [26:55] Followed by Sarah with 39, and then Tara in the pack with 16. Tara: [26:58] All right. Dave: [26:59] And then, weirdly, exact same percentages for functional hospital, except Sarah D. Bunting won that one. Bezor Laura second place. Tara once again trailing with 16. Sarah: [27:11] The people wanted to know that they would have Emesis basins, so in that way, that could have gone to either me or Tara, depending on who got that one first, I feel. Tara: [27:14] Mm-hmm. That's true. Yep. Dave: [27:21] So, thank you everybody for voting. Thank again, Bezor, Laura, for coming on the show, but also setting up the draft charts and rhomboids and all that sort of stuff. Sarah: [27:31] It was so much fun to do, truly. Dave: [27:32] Yeah, it was great. Tara: [27:32] It was, it was great. Dave: [27:33] Everybody seemed to like it on the Discord and social. So thank you again, everybody, for doing that. Here's what's coming. Soon on Extra Extra Hot Great this Friday, we'll be talking about season three of Star Trek's Strange New Worlds that is available to club members. If you're not a club member, you can go to extrahotgreat. com. Slash club for more info and a link to join. And then come back here next week, EHG Prime. We're talking Billy Joel Docs. And if we're talking Billy Joel Docs, you know, we have to have Daniel. Wow. Rogie coming into the mix, and we'll be doing all that and making lots of Billy Joel title puns. Sarah: [28:08] It's goddamn right. Dave: [28:12] I assure you of this. I've got 20 in my back pocket. Ready to go? Tara: [28:15] Mm-hmm. Dave: [28:22] It is time for the extra hot grade cannon presenting this week is Tara. Tara: [28:28] Only one episode of Black Mirror is currently in the canon, and it's the one where a guy fucks a pig for political reasons. The episode I brought to the panel today, Season 7, Episode 5 eulogy, is basically the opposite of that in every way, although it does feature a performer who was once known as Pig Vomit. I'm going to try to make a case for Eulogy's induction. Anyway, here are my reasons. Number one, its protagonist is extremely well drawn. Philip is outside his house on Cape Cod working in the garden as the episode begins. He's played by Paul Giamatti, so we all bring our own preconceptions about a Paul Giamatti character to the proceedings. This is not to say he doesn't have dramatic range, but I personally don't assume he's typically going in for the same kinds of roles George Clooney or Blair Underwood are booking. A Paul Giamatti character is likely to be some combination of irritable, befuddled, put upon, and resigned. He's probably been nursing a grudge, and it probably doesn't take much prodding to get him to talk about it. This Paul Giamatti character has just punctured his finger on a thorn in the rose bush he's pruning when his landline rings. Clip one. Clip: [29:32] Hello? Hello, am I speaking to Mr. Philip Connercy? It's pronounced Connerty. Apologies. I'm calling on behalf of a Miss Kelly Royce. I don't know a Kelly Royce. Absolutely, but this regards Miss Royce's mother, Carol Royce. I don know a Carol Royce either. Her maiden name was Hartman. Carol Hartman. Yeah, I know the name. Um I knew her. Uh, sorry, why are you calling? I'm afraid she passed away last Wednesday. Her daughter wanted you to know. Hello. Tara: [30:23] We obviously can't clip the faces Philip makes at the mention of Carol's name and at the news of her death, but you can almost hear the face in the silence. This is someone who meant a lot to him. so much that he will entertain the idea of accepting a kit from Eulogy, a company Kelly has hired to put on an immersive memorial for Carol. The kit, which arrives by Drone almost immediately, contains a booklet he quickly flips through and discards, and one of the nubbins that we've been seeing throughout the season. This one startles Philip by addressing him. Clip two Even just the impatient way Philip sucked his minor gardening wound told us volumes about this character. Clip: [30:53] Hello Hello Hello? You don't have to speak directly into me. Sorry, I know that a weird thing to say. Sorry. I've got a bit of an opening spiel I need to do here. Go for it. Okay. Today, we celebrate the life of Carol Royce. As guide, my role is to help you reminisce, relive, and curate your fondest memories of her. Yeah, can we maybe skip the intro? Just tell me what you need me to do. Okay, um so first um let's um let's calibrate. Simply place the guide disc um that's me on your temple. This like on the on the side of my like That's it. Now all you have to do is think of Carol. I haven't done that for a long time. Understood. But try to recall her now. Close your eyes and picture her face. Okay, uh, not really getting anything. Sorry, but just uh just try to focus. I am, but it's hard to uh to see her clearly. Yes. Tara: [32:24] These two conversations, with voices that at this point don't have faces, tell us more. Philip is a man who's resigned himself to disappointment and solitude. He's irritable about being asked to excavate what are clearly painful memories. but he hasn't lost all his capacity for self discovery or maybe just his curiosity. What artifacts of Carol can he still locate? All this guy's really done so far is walk into his house, take a phone call and sit in a chair, and yet we're locked in to take this journey with him. Number two, its vision of technology is enticing at first. Philip is from the past, so while the guide can process up to 1500 photos, he can only find three, and they're all physical snapshots from the time he spent with Carol. Though the nubbin has mostly been used as a speaker through which the guide has been talking to Philip, it's also known as a mesmerizer, and when it's on the user's temple, it can take over their consciousness for an immersive experience. In this case, Philip can look at the first of the three photos he's found, a shot of a party on a rooftop of a co-op he lived in back in 1989, and the program can take him inside the still image with a personification of the guide standing next to him, played by Patsy Farron. She is perplexed by the fact that in the first shot Philip has produced, Carol has her back to the camera, but hopeful that once Philip can cast his mind all the way back to that night by getting closer to the figures in it, he'll be able to picture Carol's face. He can't, and when he walks around to face Carol next to his younger self, she's just a series of polygons the program has generated as its best guest of what to represent. But it's enough to be evocative in other respects. Clip 3. Clip: [33:53] So when this was taken, this was before you and Carol got together. Well, I never said we got together. Oh, come on. Look at the way you're looking at her. And I'm guessing she was looking back at you the same way. I'd made her laugh. She was new in the house. I didn't know her, but I wanted to, and I made her laugh. And she looked. Oh, Christ. It's okay. No, there's no, I can't see her face. Try to focus on what you can recall of this moment. Okay. Um she had just moved in. Uh She kept to herself. She had been studying the cello. She was usually in her room practicing. I think she still had a boyfriend back home at this point. Fiancé. Sorry? There's an engagement ring on her finger. See? The eye can't make that level of detail out in your photo, but there's enough there for the algorithmic sharpening to make visible to us in here. I never knew she was engaged. Maybe you chose not to see. Or not to remember. Oh, she never said it was that serious. Perhaps she underplayed it. Didn't want to scare you off. Uh-huh. Shall we mark this moment for potential upload for the memorial? I don't think her family would appreciate seeing a fond memory of her flirting with me while engaged to someone else. You're right. It would be an honest representation of her character. Tara: [35:30] As Philip enters the other photos, we follow the relationship in its headiest and happiest early days. that first flirty meeting on the roof, leaving another party for their first night together, and a random afternoon when Carol was playing her cello for Philip while he stood in the doorway watching and listening adoringly. Those of us who are of a certain age, and that age is not that old, by the way, might have our own memories that have to remain sketchy because we weren't documenting them in any way. Never mind posting about them. We might feel more empathy for Philip at this point than viewers who grew up online. The episode is even photographed in soft earth tones to look like the cover of a vintage shade. Crew fall catalog or commercial for apple cider, all the better to draw us into the mostly cozily nostalgic experience Philip is having with his eulogy kit at first. Number three, it lures a resistant character into a confrontation he probably would not have knowingly consented to. Once Philip has gone through all the photos he has depicting good times with Carol, the guide gently guides Philip toward the idea of looking at some others. This is where we find out exactly how vindictive Philip is. He scribbled, cut, or gouged Carol's face out of every other photo he had of her, but they can still tell a story. a weekend trip where she thinks he's drinking too much, a Halloween party where some jerk is all over Carol and Philip blames her, not that he ever thought that way until the guide makes him take a better look at the evidence. Carol joining Phillips' band, but to play the keyboard, not the cello, her primary instrument, clip four. Clip: [36:57] Have you got a recording? It might bring back more of the moment. Not anymore, no. Zeke quit the band, moved to Seattle, decided he was God. And that was it for us. So, no, no recording. It's just as well. Hearing his voice gives me hives, to be honest. He went on to become a big deal, didn't he? Yeah, well, assholes prosper. Maybe we could have kept going without him, but Carol's heart wasn't in it. Maybe you should have let her play cello. Maybe you could say cello again. Oh, the cello was important to her. I know. She played it her whole life, taught her daughter to play it. Are you supposed to be mildly annoying? Is that how they coded you? I wasn't really coded. Well, generated. Okay. Generated from some digital asshole. Sorry. Apology accepted. Tara: [37:55] After that, Carol is offered a six-month gig playing cello in the orchestra of the Phantom of the Opera in London. Despite that dig earlier about Carol's character reflected in her flirting with Philip while she was engaged to someone else, it's Philip who cheats first. Something Carol surmises when she calls Philip on his birthday and hears the other woman. The big fight that ensues isn't enough to make him cancel the trip he had already bought. To visit her, nor lead him to revise his plan to propose over dinner at a fancy restaurant he read about in the airline magazine on the flight over. Clip five Just as Philip lacked the sensitivity to consider how the invitation to join the band and play an instrument she didn't particularly care about might have made Carol feel. Clip: [38:26] She looked kind of the same, but different. She said she put on weight, but I couldn't see that. I thought she looked beautiful. And I ordered a bottle of champagne, first time I'd done that anywhere, which she didn't touch it. She didn't want to drink anything. And I was like, come on, I've come all this way, have won, but no. So I had to bite my tongue because, you know, it was irritating. I had the ring in my pocket, so I was nervous draining the glasses. And finally, I pluck up the nerve and I take out the ring. I almost dropped it. I was so jittery. And she looks at it, and she goes quiet. She doesn't say anything. She doesn't even look at me. And now the waitresses are shooting looks over because they know I'm there to propose, so I'm on display. You know, my cheeks are burning, my throat is dry, so I'm drinking more. And then in the end, I just ask her, just say something. Say anything, and she's just staring at the floor. So I bang the table with my fist, and now everybody's watching. And she just gets up and walks out. Tara: [40:11] He also lacked the sensitivity to assemble the clues Carol dropped that night at dinner, Clip Six. Clip: [40:17] So why do you think she left? Maybe she was cheating. Maybe she was sick of me. Maybe she was cruel. She knew that I was coming. She could have ended it on the phone. She made me fly all that way. She She knew that you were coming to propose. Like, that's a big difference. You said this was autumn 92. Fall, yes, like October. She looks sort of different. Wouldn't drink. She was pregnant with me. Kelly Royce, Carol's daughter, the one she taught to play cello. Don't worry, you're not my dad. Tara: [41:04] Obviously, this is not Kelly. It's an AI generated from the Kelly data. It's ingested, possibly with a prompt from Kelly to get Phillips' version of the story. And even a crusty old curmudgeon like Philip, someone so analog he still has a landline, someone who's such a disappointed romantic that he erased Carol's face from all their photos but couldn't stand to throw them away. Turns out to be the perfect mark for the Eulogy kit. He's so excited to have a reason to air his decades-old grievances against Carol that he lets a robot lead him into a verbal and emotional trap that snaps right down on his leg. the thorn puncture is probably a pleasant memory by comparison. Finally, its ending gracefully walks the line between wistful and ambivalent. Once the guide has told Philip her connection to Kelly, she shares the little she knows about Brian, the one-night stand of Carol's, who became Kelly's biological father. She adds that Kelly told her she had written to Philip about her pregnancy, but that he had never replied. And after one last journey into the history of physical media, since Philip says he never got the letter. Phillips gets a print of the sole self pitying photo he took on his disposable camera after trashing his hotel room. Philip and the guide both spot a piece of hotel stationery on the floor amid the wreckage, with Philly, Carol's name for him, written on it. Philip desperately tries to pick up the AI-generated letter off the AI-generated floor, but of course he can't. What he can do is rifle through the actual papers he threw in his suitcase after the maid cleaned up. and find Carol's letter tucked into his Phantom program, Clip7. Clip: [42:31] Philly, I have to tell you something. I couldn't say earlier. I froze. I'm sorry. Please, please don't hate me. That day I rang and got Emma, I was so mad. I had a one-night stand with someone in the orchestra here. It didn't mean anything, and I'm sorry. I've missed my period. I don't know what to do. I love you and I want us to work, but I don't know how you'll feel. I think I want to keep the baby. I don't know. But could you live with that if I didn? If you still want to talk, meet me tomorrow afternoon at the stage door after the matinee. I'll understand if you never want to see me again. I hope you do. I love you, Carol. Tara: [43:42] It's a terribly painful revelation, but having to face the consequences of his own insensitivity and anger doesn't make him even angrier. brings him back to the Philly he was when he first got the eulogy representative's phone call, eager to access fond memories of Carol again. He pulls out a cassette recording of Carol's original cello composition. which could not be more accessible in his top desk drawer, so he's clearly known where to find it all along, despite telling the guide he couldn't find it. And we hear that clip eight. Clip: [44:13] Okay, Philly, so you asked me to record this piece of music for you. Careful if you wish you were. Let's see here. Tara: [44:36] As the piece plays, we cut between Phillips, young and old at first, then just old, watching Carol play. and with old Philip cleaned up in a suit as he arrives at Carol's funeral, leaning in the doorway in the same posture his younger self had in the photo. There's still a whiff of black mirrorosity here. All the mourners at the service have their mesmerizers on, silver eyed in their isolated grief. They're defeating the purpose of gathering together to remember Carol, not only by each remembering her alone, but by watching the official version of her instead of being comforted by their own individual memories. It's not clear whether they can even hear the real Kelly playing Carol's piece at the front of the chapel, but Philip definitely can. And inside the picture Philip can finally see Carol's whole face as she turns to him, laughing, and he tearfully smiles back. Even if we knew it was an AI generation, wouldn't we all want a moment like this with a lost loved one if we could have it again? We're only human. And that's my eulogy for eulogy. He doesn't really deserve it, but voted in for Philly. He's only human, too. Dave: [45:38] Thank you, Tara. Maris, you want to first crack at this? Maris: [45:40] Tara, you did a really good job explaining what This role was, I would have said it was a Giamati type that he was going to be playing. It was something that I had seen before. Then there's a stereotype that I had seen before, which maybe is only for a certain kind of online person. Let me see if you agree. The clueless, self-centered boyfriend proposing to his lady in public. I think we all have collectively decided that that is bad. It was a really beautiful episode to watch, had like a little bit of a reverse sunshine of the spotless mind. thing going on. But Giamatti, as the unreliable narrator of his own story, just didn't feel fresh enough for me to recommend it. Dave: [46:32] All right, Sarah, what are you doing? Sarah: [46:33] I found it extremely striking before he's able to recall Her face, the polygon substitute, and like when he steps into photos where he has scratched her out, and there's like a 3D rendering of this marker slashing where her head is. There's something so sort of like homely, but also haunting about that. So I think it is really an elegiac episode. I do think maybe. Giamatti is a bit of a shortcut casting-wise, because this is a type that it's like I don't think he really even has to be like fully conscious to. Play this, but at the same time, I think that that's perfect because it gives you that baseline and then everything else that is black mirrory about The situation and the plot is allowed to kind of unfold, and you don't really have to think that much about. Tara: [47:14] Yeah. Sarah: [47:32] The Giamatti character because it's a Giamati character, and you can pay attention to everything going on, you can fill everything. In, which is what the episode is about, is that technology. I think it's also really a testament to all the performances and the careful construction of this episode that It's not necessarily that credible that even an old grump like a Giamatti character, are we even going to use his name? And the fact that it's Phil? Filling in things is kind of interesting. I just didn't find it credible that he would keep all of this memorabilia and he would be both. So longing for her still in some way, but then unable to summon her face, and he would have just like not thrown this stuff out. After moving probably multiple times, but there is something about this story and about the just kind of ambivalent, counterintuitive ways that emotions sometimes are, especially when it comes to grief, that made it believable. I also kind of didn't believe that he wouldn't have noticed. Like, she said she put on weight and refused to drink a drop of anything. Like, even Clueless 90s guy has watched television before. Like, I'm with the guide, she's pregnant, you fucking bonehead. I enjoyed the sort of bittersweetness of it, which matched You know, match the eulogies. And I appreciate also, Tara, your point about the sort of isolation of This official version at the end, which they often the show would go pretty hard at that point, but you just get a kind of quick pan. And then there he is leaning in the doorway with not inscrutable, but just like multiply scrutable faces on, because, you know, he's a he's a good actor. And those of us who are sort of baseball history fans wonder what he might have been thinking about like reading this script and thinking about going into photos of his. Of his father, who notoriously was basically manslaughtered by Pete Rose, allegedly. I'm not a crackpot. Tara: [49:46] I mean, on that, I read when I was preparing this that apparently Charlie Brooker's father died like right after they finished shooting this episode too. You know, doing press around it was an experience for him, it sounds like. Dave: [49:59] I think there's two types of Black Mirror stories, just very broadly speaking. There is tech-first stories like the Lemmings Populous Episode from the same season with Peter Capaldi with the little gremlins. I forget what they were called in Universe, but that one where it's all about like Here's the technology, and it drives the plot. We're asking all these technological, ethical questions about it, and that's the episode. And then there's an episode like this, which is character-driven, and the tech is the catalyst for what's happening. To the character. And I agree with Maris's take on sort of the tropes we're seeing here. But I feel like for me, what I'm doing is like. I'm reframing the story as the story of a dead woman that had a close call and could have had a life with a real dick. And this is how we tell that story. Tara: [50:50] Mm-hmm. Dave: [50:51] And that is sort of revealed as the story goes along, where start in this story and you think it's just going to be this. Well, I mean, okay, it's Black Mirror. You're not thinking it's going be the straightforward. But the framing of it as you know the one that got away, and then you know, he's just this poor guy, and then oh, it turns out he's a real dick, and good for her for escaping that reality. So, in that regards, I sort of like the throughput of the episode. And I said when we were talking about this season when it first came out, I really enjoyed. As Sarah was saying, the technological presentation of the 3D world that they construct out of two-dimensional Artifacts, and especially when we get to the point where there's a hole in the hot dog picture and stuff like that. I thought that was just technically really well done. The band photo where everybody is You know, out of focus because of motion blur and how they represent that, I thought was really well done. So, just on a technical level, as well, I enjoyed it. But I think this is a good example of that second type of black mirror episode. I do admit I had to like sort of reframe my thinking to get to the point where I was like, okay, that's why I think it's Canon worthy is because it really is a story of escape rather than a story of remembrance. Tara: [52:07] Yeah, he's clearly not the hero. I mean, I said he doesn't deserve it. Dave: [52:10] No, no. Yeah, no. I mean, you said that at the end of your presentation, and I very much agree, but that sort of slow burn from one end of the spectrum to the other as the episode goes along. Tara: [52:14] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dave: [52:21] Was satisfying question mark. Tara: [52:23] Mm-hmm. Dave: [52:23] I don know if that's the right word, but you get my meaning. Tara: [52:25] Yeah. Sarah: [52:26] Yeah, this is one of several episodes where, many of which are like not polarizing, but like among the most memorable in the series run, where it's sort of Putting advanced technology and what that might mean for life after death in conversation with each other, it starts out like, oh, this is wonderful, and you can keep the people that you love with you. And then there's that, like, You know, monkey's paw curling moment, but it's not always like the finger that you expect to curl. So I think it does a good job with that as a series, and in particular, here. Dave: [53:02] One note before we put it to the vote. At the beginning of the episode, there is a DHL drone delivery for the package, for the mind dubbing. And I really thought Black Mirror should have thought it through because whenever you see that depicted in a commercial about the future, like the Super Bowl commercial, I think had these, or here it's always a house with no trees out front. Tara: [53:27] Hmm. Dave: [53:27] And I think Black Mirror should have showed this guy's giant canopy tree, like we have it outside our front yard, with like just dozens of drones stuck in there from all the packages that tried to get delivered to his house over the past year. Tara: [53:40] Yeah. Dave: [53:40] So just a note for the creative team. Tara: [53:42] Also, we don't know what year this takes place, but I you know, after all the problems I've had with DHL, I'm not sure it's going to survive however long it takes to get there. Dave: [53:49] DHL is the worst courier service by far. Sarah: [53:49] Yeah. Dave: [53:52] You can tell by how yellow their logo is. Tara: [53:54] Yeah. Dave: [53:55] Budget. All right, Maris, what say you? I think I know your vote, but what say you, Canonworthy or not here? Maris: [54:01] I'm gonna probably disagree with all of you and say not. Dave: [54:05] Okay, Sarah de Bundy. Sarah: [54:06] I hope this asshole does prosper, and I will say yes. Dave: [54:09] All right, I'm going to say yes as well. So That means that Black Mirror Series VII Episode V eulogy are hereby inducted into the extra hot great canon. Clip: [54:31] Americans love a winner. Yep and will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave: [54:36] It is time to talk about the winner and loser of the week. Tara has this week's winner. Tara: [54:41] It's kind of amazing that Richard Gadd is still doing interviews about Baby Reindeer, a show that came out two Earth years ago, but he is. And I have kind of turned on him since I watched it, but I'm going to say he's the winner of this week because in this latest interview, he talked about how Netflix wanted him to add an episode in the season where his character Donnie goes back to Scotland to visit his family to give the audience a respite. And he said no. And he was right because we've all been watching a short-run show and gotten to the episode that has no reason to exist other than to just like. Padded out, and so congratulations to him for this reason, possibly only, because more TV creators should do that, especially first-time creators who might not always have this kind of confidence, but you know. I'm sure it wasn't an easy argument to have, but he won, and good for him. Dave: [55:36] And loser of the week, sir. Sarah: [55:38] It's Today anchor Craig Melvin, who was called out on camera by Rick Springfield for yawning during his interview. Which I guess makes Rick Springfield a winner. And ancillarily, Rick Springfield is selling his coin collection of like I don't know, 19th and early 20th century gold American coins. He has one that even I, who basically know nothing, spotted. And he wants to meet the person who's going to buy the collection, and he's going to have them backstage at a concert of his. Tara: [56:12] That's so cute. Sarah: [56:13] I was reading an interview with him about this process and how he got into coins. He basically, like, it sounds like they have something in Australia that's like trading card gum, but like in guilt. form that can't be right. I apologize to our Australian listeners and feel free to correct me. But I was raised by a coin collector and the way he speaks about the coins is like He obviously loves it and is serious about it. And I feel like I find things out about Rick Springfield all the time that I'm like, dang, I kind of want to hang out with that guy. So I guess we have like two winners this week. I can live with it. Tara: [56:52] General hospital fandom never dies. Sarah: [56:55] It really doesn't. Keeps giving. Dave: [56:57] Well, speaking about not having two winners this week, do you know what time it is? Sarah: [57:00] You're welcome. It's Cape Time. Dave: [57:15] Before we get into game time this week, we want to talk about a prize from a previous game time in the ER Draft Special. We played a game time I won, therefore I won a prize. And the prize I got was a very comfortable tri-blend brown T shirt of the fictitional hospital from the pit. Tara: [57:32] Yes, the fictitional hospital. Dave: [57:34] So yeah, the fictitional hospital. Tara: [57:36] The Pittsburgh Trauma Medical Center. Dave: [57:37] We're just going to leave that in. Yes. So thank you, Tara, for that. Tara: [57:40] You're welcome. Dave: [57:41] And let's get on with the game time for this week. It is the eighth game time of the season. The scores are uh-oh, Tara with four. A win today means she wins the season. Sarah with two. Value Guests with one. Today we're playing Tag Your It from Amy Allenspock, who earns herself an extra credit. Topic of her choosing plus a free shirt from the EHG store at throughmethods. com. In this game, you will get a series of show taglines, and you need to identify the show. There are three taglines up for grabs. If you guess it, after the first one, five, the second one, four, the third one, three. And if you still don't know it, I will give you the network and the year that it premiered in. And then, after, you get one point. You can guess at every level, so don't be scared. We have 24 questions and one tiebreaker if we need it. And we're not going to do steel meals and we're not going to do challenger zones this week. Tara: [58:40] Okay. Dave: [58:40] So, are we ready to play? Tag your it? We're not because you have to throw it to PK to see who's going first. Tara: [58:46] That's right. Clip: [58:48] We will start with Sarah. Dave: [58:50] All right, we're going go Sarah and then to Maris and then to Tara for this game. Are we ready now to play Tagurit? Tara: [58:57] Now we are. Maris: [58:57] Yes, uh-huh. Sarah: [58:57] Yes. Dave: [58:58] All right, Sarah debunting, you are up first. I will give you one tagline at a time. Guess at any level. Here we go. Free at last. Your first tagline is free at last. Sarah: [59:12] Uh Prison Break. Dave: [59:14] Good guess. Tara: [59:14] That's what I would have said. Dave: [59:15] Second tagline, someone had to get the family back together. Sarah: [59:21] Get the family back together. Uh it's well, it's not this, but the Sopranos, fuck it. Dave: [59:29] Tagline number three: I have made a huge mistake. Sarah: [59:33] Oh, ORISA Development. Dave: [59:34] The rest of development is good for three points there. Yes, Fox 2003. All right, Maris and I know how it's done. Your first tagline is nothing tastes sweeter than victory. Maris: [59:41] Yeah. Ooh, let's try severance. Dave: [59:51] When the odds are 456 to one, get back in the game. When the odds are four hundred fifty six to one, get back in the game. Maris: [1:00:03] Ooh, uh what game? Dave: [1:00:04] Oh, what game? Maris: [1:00:07] Uh growing pains. Dave: [1:00:11] So close. You're so close. Maris: [1:00:13] Yeah, I know. Dave: [1:00:13] Tagline three, stop at nothing to win. Asterisk, you were nowhere near the answer. Maris: [1:00:20] Industry I have clearly uh is this cake? Sarah: [1:00:22] Industry Industry Or death, yeah, that's a that's a Sarah point for sure. Dave: [1:00:23] All right. Tara: [1:00:23] I could see that. Dave: [1:00:23] This show started in 2021 on Netflix. Nothing tastes sweeter than victory when the odds are four hundred fifty six to one and stop at nothing to win are your taglines. Clip: [1:00:38] Can you bring it out? Dave: [1:00:38] Netflix It's a big show Can we just give her some points for that answer? Clip: [1:00:40] I'm on the way out. I'm not gonna come right on it. I'm on the I'm on the rocky mouth. Dave: [1:00:49] Because that's great. Tara: [1:00:49] We can give her data points. Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:00:51] That is Squid Game. Squid Game. Maris: [1:00:54] Ah. Dave: [1:00:55] The last guy in Squid game is number 456. Sarah: [1:00:56] So close. Maris: [1:00:57] Yeah. Dave: [1:00:59] So, all right, Tara, a bloody good time. Tara: [1:01:00] Yes Interview with the Vampire. Dave: [1:01:06] Meet your match. Tara: [1:01:10] Santa Clarita Diet Oh, Dexter You meaning me Got it. Dave: [1:01:13] Not everyone wants to be followed. Clip: [1:01:14] It'll be done to my wound, it'll be done. Dave: [1:01:20] This show started in Lifetime in 2018, later moved to Netflix. Meaning me. No, the answer is you. Yes. One point. Back to Sarah. The only way out is back in. Clip: [1:01:36] Is a week on to the mark. Sarah: [1:01:39] Prison break Croic paint. Tara: [1:01:41] No, what I thought that was for sure. Dave: [1:01:43] The nation sees a hero, she sees a threat. Clip: [1:01:44] It's a weak come to the mark. Sarah: [1:01:48] The nation sees a hero, uh the boys. Dave: [1:01:54] Far from home, far from finished, you'll be angry later. Clip: [1:01:58] It's a week of the book, oh and the bar is a week up to the boat and the bar Big up to the book and the ball is a more I want to light it with me, don't get me with you. Sarah: [1:02:03] Yeah, probably far from finished. Dave: [1:02:07] Yeah, far from home, far from finished. Sarah: [1:02:10] Far from finished. I'll be angry later. Great. Love that. Veronica Mars. Dave: [1:02:16] This show debuted on Showtime in 2011. Any idea? Sarah: [1:02:27] Weeds. Dave: [1:02:29] Nope, it's your favorite show, Homeland. Tara: [1:02:32] Oh, right. Sarah: [1:02:33] Oh my God, you're right. Dave: [1:02:35] Yep. Sarah: [1:02:35] I'm mad. Dave: [1:02:36] All right, back to Maris. Sarah: [1:02:37] It's later. Dave: [1:02:38] Maris, your first tagline is power corrodes. Sarah: [1:02:38] I'm mad. Dave: [1:02:42] Power corrodes. Maris: [1:02:44] Succession Mr. Dave: [1:02:46] Good guess? Tagline number two, All hail the king. Reminder it's not succession. Maris: [1:02:55] Robot Oh shoot, I think I know this. Dave: [1:02:57] Tag three on March eighth, all becomes crystal clear. Maris: [1:03:07] Nope, I was thinking of Donnie Darko. I have no idea. Dave: [1:03:11] All right. This show debuted 2008 on AMC. So you got power corrodes, all hail the king, all becomes crystal clear. Clip: [1:03:21] Don't turn up with the work to let it go and It's a big up to the book. Tara: [1:03:22] Crystal clear, you say. Dave: [1:03:23] Crystal clear AMC two thousand eight It's not mad. Maris: [1:03:27] It's not mad men, but I'll say that. Dave: [1:03:31] It's not Madman. It's breaking bad, crystal clear. Maris: [1:03:35] Oh, God. Yeah, okay. Sarah: [1:03:37] Oh my God, two thousand eight. Maris: [1:03:37] Well, Weeds Transparent It's not the Addams family, and it's not the Sopranos. Tara: [1:03:39] Yeah. Sarah: [1:03:39] Oh, Jesus. Dave: [1:03:40] I know. Tara, power is the ultimate currency. Tara: [1:03:42] Yeah. Oh, we're back to power. Dave: [1:03:46] Yep. Tara: [1:03:47] Um scandal. Dave: [1:03:51] Nothing is more personal than business. Tara: [1:03:55] Succession? Sarah: [1:03:55] Business, business, business. Dave: [1:03:57] It is not succession. Go for broke. Tara: [1:04:04] The riches. Remember that show? Dave: [1:04:06] Yeah, I do remember Riches. Sarah: [1:04:07] Oh, yeah. Dave: [1:04:09] Showtime twenty sixteen. Tara: [1:04:11] Oh, what was Showtime even fucking doing? Is it billions? Dave: [1:04:16] It is billions, yes. Tara: [1:04:18] With our friend Paul Giamatti. Sarah: [1:04:18] Nice. Oh, yeah, sure was. Dave: [1:04:21] One point. Sarah: [1:04:21] And Homeland Guy, yes. Dave: [1:04:22] Sarah In the beginning, ellipses in the beginning Tagline number two, heck happens. Sarah: [1:04:27] In the beginning, uh land of the lost by Jones. Clip: [1:04:28] It's a big up to the book. Sarah: [1:04:36] I'm sorry. Dave: [1:04:41] Heck happens. Sarah: [1:04:45] Big Love Fargo Prince of Break. Dave: [1:04:47] Tagline number three. Ah, geez. Here we go again. Ah, geez, here we go again. That is good for three points. Tara: [1:04:56] Nice. Dave: [1:04:58] Back to Maris. There's no getting out. Tagline number two, family redefined. Clip: [1:05:09] I want to move back. I want to get a record. Dave: [1:05:13] Good guess. Tagline number three, Hell hath no fury like the family. Clip: [1:05:16] I want to move back. I want to get a record. Dave: [1:05:19] And the family is capitalized. Clip: [1:05:20] It's a big Like I want to come to make a cut Is a makeup to the book. Maris: [1:05:26] That's all I know. Tara: [1:05:28] It's not. Sarah: [1:05:29] Isn't it? Dave: [1:05:30] Do you want to answer? I mean, that wasn an answer. Do you want to provide an answer there? Yeah, yeah, maybe you should. Maybe you should. Maris: [1:05:39] Wait, is it the Sopranos after all? Dave: [1:05:41] Yay! Tara: [1:05:41] Yes. Dave: [1:05:42] Three points. Maris: [1:05:42] Oh, well, I that was too easy. Dave: [1:05:44] Yeah. Always provide an answer is my suggestion. All right. HBO 1999, obviously. Tara: [1:05:50] Yeah. Dave: [1:05:51] Tara, who's your daddy? Tara: [1:05:54] Um this isn't right, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Alias. Dave: [1:06:01] Never trust a criminal until you have to. Tara: [1:06:05] Is this Dexter? Shit. Sarah: [1:06:08] Good answer. Dave: [1:06:08] Tagline number three for you, Hitman of the Year. Tara: [1:06:13] Barry. Dave: [1:06:16] This show debuted on NBC in twenty thirteen. Tara: [1:06:17] Okay. Hitman of the year on NBC in 2013. Clip: [1:06:27] It's a makeup to the boat. Tara: [1:06:30] The blacklist. Dave: [1:06:31] The blacklist is correct. Tara: [1:06:32] Oh, my God. Dave: [1:06:34] Scooped up that one point at the end. Sidebar question closest to the pin wins. We'll start with Maris. How many years, how many seasons did the blacklist last for? Tara: [1:06:44] Whatever you think it is, add five. Maris: [1:06:47] So that's ten. Dave: [1:06:47] All right, so you get first dibs, Maris. Maris: [1:06:51] Let's go with seven. Dave: [1:06:53] Seven. Tara? All right, Sarah. Tara: [1:06:56] Yeah, I think she's right that it's 11. Dave: [1:06:58] So you're going to go Ten is the correct answer. Tara: [1:07:00] I guess I'll say 10. Oh, Maris was right with her joke, yes. Dave: [1:07:02] It is ten, yes. Sarah: [1:07:04] Nice The wireless city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city was a name Nice. Maris: [1:07:06] I keep doing that. Dave: [1:07:08] Tara, you got Dave points. Tara: [1:07:10] Oh, great. Dave: [1:07:11] Congratulations. Back to Sarah. All in the game. All in the game. The wire is correct. Tara: [1:07:18] Whoa, first five-pointer. Dave: [1:07:19] That is a five-point answer. A new case begins. Rules change. Maris: [1:07:23] Wow Vampire diaries? Dave: [1:07:24] The game remains the same. Nice. Our first five-point answer. Tara: [1:07:28] Good job. Dave: [1:07:29] Maris, all men must die. Clip: [1:07:31] I want to move like I want to get a rock. Dave: [1:07:34] Game of Thrones says correct. Tara: [1:07:35] Woo! Dave: [1:07:36] Another five-point answer. Clip: [1:07:37] I don want to move like I want to get a rock. Tara: [1:07:38] Yeah. Dave: [1:07:39] Tara screwed in the USA. Clip: [1:07:42] It's a week on to the market. Tara: [1:07:44] The riches? Why do I keep dancing the riches a two-season show that's never going to be in this game? Sarah: [1:07:50] Mini drivers stand. Tara: [1:07:50] Okay. Dave: [1:07:53] All right, number two, living crappily ever after. Tara: [1:07:54] Okay. Um raising hope. Dave: [1:08:04] Taking on the counterculture. Tara: [1:08:09] Is it that weed show that Kathy Bates was in? I don't know. I don't know. Dave: [1:08:13] That weed show that Kathy Bates was in? Tara: [1:08:15] Yeah, she was in a disjointed. Wow. Dave: [1:08:17] Wow, I've no idea what you're talking about. Sarah: [1:08:18] Wow. Tara: [1:08:19] Deep in my brain, yes. Dave: [1:08:20] So wait a sec. You think the riches isn't going to be in this show, but disjointed will be? Tara: [1:08:24] But disjoint it is. I just couldn't think of anything else. Dave: [1:08:28] Showtime 2011. Tara: [1:08:30] Uh well, it's not weeds because that was already on by then. Dave: [1:08:35] Screwed in the USA, living crappily ever after, taking on the counter culture, Showtime 2011. Answer, please. Clip: [1:08:41] Is a week old to the mark. Tara: [1:08:43] This isn't right either, but I'm going say Nurse Jackie. Fuck. Dave: [1:08:47] No, we're looking for shameless. Tara: [1:08:49] Shameless. Sarah: [1:08:50] Oh yeah. Dave: [1:08:51] Shameless. All right, we're halfway done, so it's time for the scorers. Tara: [1:08:52] Sure. It's not close. I have three. Maris has eight. Sarah has eleven. Dave: [1:09:00] All right, nicely done, everybody. Let's get back to it. That was the halfway marks. We're back to Sarity Bunting with Escape is just the beginning. Sarah: [1:09:13] Prison break Yay, the new benson. Clip: [1:09:19] Impossible. Dave: [1:09:21] Correct Five points Maris All monsters are human all monsters are human Good guess. Tara: [1:09:21] Yay! Dave: [1:09:37] On Wednesdays we wear black. Clip: [1:09:41] Is a weak old clear. Dave: [1:09:44] Tagline number three, and that's a mouthful, and maybe they should have taken one thing off. Maris: [1:09:45] Yeah. Oh, boy. Clip: [1:09:49] It's a weak old I want to let them rock out. Dave: [1:09:51] The asylum is open for business. Check your sanity at the door. The asylum is open for business. Check your sanity at the door. Make sure to write your name in the visitors log. Clip: [1:10:04] Is a big one. Sarah: [1:10:06] Put your sanity tray in the upright position. Maris: [1:10:08] Once uh let's just say American horror story. Dave: [1:10:11] You're correct. Tara: [1:10:11] Hey Mm-hmm. Maris: [1:10:12] Oh, okay. Dave: [1:10:12] Three points. American Horror Story Singular. Tara: [1:10:16] Season two, probably. Dave: [1:10:17] Tara. Tara: [1:10:17] This asylum. Yes, Heroes Bluey Yes, no. Dave: [1:10:19] We get the world we deserve. Sarah: [1:10:25] Good answer. Dave: [1:10:25] Man is the cruelest animal. Is that the one where men are hunting the dogs? Yeah. Sarah: [1:10:39] Oh, God. Clip: [1:10:41] Cause I make a whole bank of the magic Is a week old to the market. Dave: [1:10:41] We get Catherine to explain that episode to us. Sarah: [1:10:44] I know, hate mail. Dave: [1:10:45] Touch darkness, and darkness touches you back. Tara: [1:10:48] Oh. Is this Dexter? Sarah: [1:10:49] Ew. Tara: [1:10:51] Shit. Dave: [1:10:52] HBO twenty fourteen We get the world we deserve. Tara: [1:10:55] Can you repeat all three of the taglines, please? Sorry. Yeah. Dave: [1:11:01] Man is the cruelest animal. Tara: [1:11:02] Right. Dave: [1:11:03] Touch darkness and darkness touches you back. Tara: [1:11:08] The newsroom. Clip: [1:11:08] I want to go to the weak and all we come to. Tara: [1:11:09] No, definitely not that. Sarah: [1:11:11] True detective? Dave: [1:11:12] True detective, yes. Tara: [1:11:12] True detective. Good job, Sarah. Clip: [1:11:15] I want to like a rocket to make a moment. Dave: [1:11:15] All right, Sarah. Blood never lies. Blood never lies. Sarah: [1:11:23] Blood never lies. Clip: [1:11:25] I want to wrap it up to make Don't kill my dad. Sarah: [1:11:28] Uh, is this true, blood? Dave: [1:11:32] No sin, no worry Yeah. Sarah: [1:11:36] No sin. Dave: [1:11:38] My least favorite Bob Martley song. Sarah: [1:11:39] Um Oh, it's that thing with that guy. Dave: [1:11:47] Yeah, it's that thing with takes life, period, seriously, period. Sarah: [1:11:47] G versus E. Tara: [1:11:49] Whoa, that's a deep cut. Sarah: [1:11:51] Yeah. Is this Dexter? Dave: [1:12:00] This is Dexter, yes. Sarah: [1:12:02] That bitch, finally. Dave: [1:12:05] Showtime guest. What year do you think it was? Sarah: [1:12:08] Two thousand three. Dave: [1:12:09] No, two thousand six. Tara: [1:12:09] No screen If it's what I'm thinking of, it just came back. Dave: [1:12:11] All right, this is question seventeen for Maris. Sarah: [1:12:11] Oh, okay. Oh, that's Bright Eagle. Clip: [1:12:14] I want to take it away. Dave: [1:12:16] Tastes great, less fulfilling. Clip: [1:12:22] I want to take a rock. Maris: [1:12:23] Um I really don't know. Clip: [1:12:25] It's a big up to the book. Dave: [1:12:26] Okay, next clue: A circle of jerks. Maris: [1:12:32] Um circled uh The Simpsons Oh, so it's a happy endings, I'm guessing. Clip: [1:12:33] It's a big up to the book. Dave: [1:12:40] Third tagline: it's Seinfeld on crack. So tastes great, less fulfilling. A circle of jerks. It's Seinfeld on crack. Any idea there? All right, this show started on FX in 2005. Sarah: [1:13:04] Oh, Jesus. Dave: [1:13:04] Later moved over to FFX. Maris: [1:13:04] You're the worst. Dave: [1:13:08] And Tar is right, it's still on the air. Maris: [1:13:11] All right, I did say you're the worst. Dave: [1:13:13] That's okay, we'll give another guess. Clip: [1:13:14] I'm not going to do that. Maris: [1:13:15] Oh boy. Clip: [1:13:16] I'm going take it a rock. Maris: [1:13:16] I love how you rigged this for me and I'm still failing. Clip: [1:13:23] I'm going to take a rock. Dave: [1:13:23] Seinfeld on crack. Circle of jerks, taste grace. Tara: [1:13:26] Yeah, that's the best that's the best clue. Dave: [1:13:28] Yeah. Any idea here? Put you out of your misery? Maris: [1:13:30] No idea. Dave: [1:13:31] Okay. Maris: [1:13:32] Yeah, please. Dave: [1:13:32] It's always sunny in Philadelphia was the answer there. Maris: [1:13:35] Oh, sure. Dave: [1:13:36] All right, Tara. Tara: [1:13:37] Yeah. Dave: [1:13:37] One summer can change everything. Tara: [1:13:43] Real pains. Dave: [1:13:46] Every ending has a beginning. Clip: [1:13:48] Don't kill the mind. Tara: [1:13:49] Ah, the Cary diaries. Sarah: [1:13:53] Oh. Dave: [1:13:54] In the fall of nineteen eighty seven, one last adventure begins. Tara: [1:14:01] Magnum PI? Dave: [1:14:04] This show debuted on Netflix in twenty sixteen. Tara: [1:14:08] Shit. Dave: [1:14:10] Stranger Things good for one point. Tara: [1:14:10] Oh, stranger things. Sarah: [1:14:12] Stranger Things is like Tara's scrubs, I feel. Dave: [1:14:14] Yeah. Sarah: [1:14:16] And mine too, honestly. Yes. Dave: [1:14:17] Sarah, the game is on. Sarah: [1:14:21] A League! Tara: [1:14:23] Good guess. Dave: [1:14:25] Three unsolvable cases, one unique detective You're correct. Sarah: [1:14:33] Sherlock Sherlock Yeah. Dave: [1:14:35] Four points. Tara: [1:14:36] Nice 'cause it's for now, man. Maris: [1:14:36] Wow. Dave: [1:14:36] Why is it the game is on and not the game is afoot? Clip: [1:14:40] Cause I make a whole 'cause I make a little bit of Cut them up, and the ball is a big book, Come back on It's a makeup. Dave: [1:14:41] It's cyber awesome. Tara: [1:14:43] Yes, yes If only. Dave: [1:14:44] Maris Your whole life is leading up to this. And that's an ellipses at the end. Your whole life is leading up to this. Maris: [1:14:57] Um entourage Uh no. Sarah: [1:15:05] I think you might be on the right network, but Growing things, love that, so good. Dave: [1:15:08] All right. Every day above ground is a good one. Your whole life has been leading up to this. Every day above ground is a good one. Tara: [1:15:24] I think Sarah's right that it's the you were on the right network. Sarah: [1:15:27] Yeah, I think so. Dave: [1:15:29] Any idea? Seems to be a lot of death happening on this show. Maris: [1:15:34] Oh, uh, six feet under. Dave: [1:15:35] Yay! Sarah: [1:15:36] There you go. Dave: [1:15:36] Four points! Maris: [1:15:38] Gosh, you really have to spoon it into my mouth. Dave: [1:15:38] Life is wasted on the living was your third. Yeah. Tara. Tara: [1:15:43] Yeah. Dave: [1:15:44] Take what's yours. Tara: [1:15:50] Is this scandal? Dave: [1:15:53] Every family has its traditions. Clip: [1:15:54] It's a makeup. Can't move out of my I'm a little Like I want it, I rock to make a move. Dave: [1:16:00] Boy, I hope that spelling of its didn't make its way to the poster. Hope that's just a web mistake. Tara: [1:16:05] Is this succession? Dave: [1:16:08] It is succession, yes, four points. Sarah: [1:16:09] There you go. Dave: [1:16:10] All right, everybody's last question is here, so let's get the scores as they stand now. Tara: [1:16:15] Okay. I have eight. Dave: [1:16:19] Uh-huh. Tara: [1:16:19] Maris has fifteen. Sarah D. Bunting twenty-three. Dave: [1:16:24] All right. Sounds like we already know our winner, but let's play our last question. Sarah D. Bunting is first. Tagline number one, good. Evil and everyone in between. Sarah: [1:16:38] Supernatural Wow. Dave: [1:16:39] You're correct. Tara: [1:16:40] What nice job. Dave: [1:16:41] Five-point answer. Mademoiselle Caroline is very happy with your performance, sir. Sarah: [1:16:45] I know that one was for you, Caroline. Dave: [1:16:48] One hell of a time for a family reunion, and for some people, death is just a phrase. Clip: [1:16:52] Like I want it a rock to make a Can you bully up the Can I move It's a big computer. Tara: [1:16:54] Amazing. Good job. Dave: [1:16:55] Nicely done. All right. Your last question, Maris. Sin never sleeps. Sarah: [1:17:01] I know that's right. Dave: [1:17:07] Sin never sleeps. Tara: [1:17:08] Next tagline, but it does rest its eyes. Maris: [1:17:09] Oh, what's um Smallville Oh, I gotta go, Sherlock. Dave: [1:17:17] Next tagline is Follow the Evidence Again and Again. Sarah: [1:17:17] Love that. Dave: [1:17:23] Sin never sleeps. Follow the evidence again and again. Oh, Sherlock's already been done. Maris: [1:17:33] Ah, god damn it. Dave: [1:17:34] Yeah. Maris: [1:17:35] Um, no repeats. Dave: [1:17:36] Yeah. No repeats. Maris: [1:17:38] Uh, Miami Vice. Dave: [1:17:40] Okay. That's a closer guess than Sherlock, just so you so you know. Maris: [1:17:45] Okay. Dave: [1:17:46] Brace yourself for a killer season. So you have sin never sleeps. Follow the evidence again and again. Brace yourself for a killer season Hm Perhaps. Clip: [1:17:54] It's a big company. Sarah: [1:17:57] Probably also of Roger Daltry screaming. Clip: [1:17:58] I'm not going to let you go. Sarah: [1:18:01] Maybe. Something. Dave: [1:18:03] Maybe. Maris: [1:18:04] Nope, still need still need help. Dave: [1:18:05] This show was our only CBS show, and it debuted in the year 2000. Tara: [1:18:08] Wow. Clip: [1:18:09] Is a me coming to the moon and my coming to the moon and my Like a rocket to make a mistake. Maris: [1:18:11] Blue bloods. Dave: [1:18:12] No, it is not Blue Bloods. It is Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:18:16] CSI Ah, good guess, though. Dave: [1:18:16] CSI original Ray's flavor, yes. Maris: [1:18:18] Wow. Dave: [1:18:20] All right, Tara, we'll wrap it up with you. Tara: [1:18:21] Yes. Mhm. Dave: [1:18:23] It's only a lie if you get caught. Tara: [1:18:27] Uh, oh no, what was that show called? Uh with Tim Ros Lie to Me? Dave: [1:18:37] Bolder, wiser, sexier I thought that said at first, bolder, wider, sexier. Tara: [1:18:41] That could be anything! It's only alive if you get caught. Is this scandal? Dave: [1:18:52] Third tagline, deeper and deeper. Starting to sound like porn. Tara: [1:18:57] Sequest DSV Sure Younger Everyone's favorite very realistic show about the publishing industry Okay, I finished with nine. Clip: [1:18:57] I won't go back. Sarah: [1:18:57] Jeez. Dave: [1:18:59] Yes. That's right. The Mariana Trench. All right, this show debuted on TV land in 2015 before moving to Paramount Plus and Hulu. Clip: [1:19:08] There's a makeup. Dave: [1:19:12] Younger is the answer for one point. Clip: [1:19:16] There's a makeup Everyone told me Cut them up, and the barracks are made up of cutable and the barracks. Dave: [1:19:19] Let's get the end of regulation scores, please. Terrible score. Tara: [1:19:23] Maris had fifteen. Dave: [1:19:25] Good score. Tara: [1:19:26] Sarah is our victress with twenty-eight. Dave: [1:19:29] Damn, best score. All right, before we wrap this up, I have a tiebreaker. First person to give the correct answer when the steel mill for future use. I will just start reading answer when you want as many times as you want. Here we go. His mind is the ultimate weapon. Maris: [1:19:48] From his head. Sarah: [1:19:52] Sarah point. Tara: [1:19:52] 500 day points. Dave: [1:19:53] I'm giving you a steel meal for that answer. You've already won, but let's continue. For him, saving the day is all in a day's work. And the one I actually remember Part Boy Scout, Part Genius, All Hero Any idea, Maris? Sarah: [1:20:16] Twenty-four twenty-four It's not Night Rider. Maris: [1:20:20] That was a good one. Uh, no, okay. Dave: [1:20:23] All right, I'll let you know the network and the year. The network is the American Broadcasting Company. The year is 1985. Part Boy Scout, part genius, all hero. Tara: [1:20:37] It's not Doogie Hauser MD. Maris: [1:20:43] It's not Magnum PI It's not who's the boss. Dave: [1:20:46] All right. Tara: [1:20:47] Not moonlighting. Dave: [1:20:47] Nope. Anybody else? Sarah: [1:20:50] Dallas. Dave: [1:20:51] Nope. I'm about to put you all out of your misery. Tara: [1:20:54] Oh, man MacGyver MacGyver Sarah. Clip: [1:20:56] McGuire. Sarah: [1:20:56] Who's the boss? Oh, McGay. Dave: [1:20:59] MacGyver was the answer. Clip: [1:21:04] Sarah, Sarah. Sarah: [1:21:06] Sarah Oh, geez, well, yeah. Dave: [1:21:07] All right. Well, that was painful at the end, but a fun game before that. MacGyver. Come on, guys. MacGyver. Tara: [1:21:15] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:21:16] That is it for another episode of Extra Hot Great. We asked how much is just enough much for too much before going around the dial with stops at American Horror Storeies, Veronica Mars, and Bubba Bubba Ballard. We all donned our mind nubbins for Tara's successful cannon pitch. We crowned winners and losers of the week. And Sarah was the winner of this week's game time from Amy. Next up, it's Star Trek Strange New World Season 3 on Extra, Extra Hot Great. Remember? Clip: [1:21:50] We're listening. Dave: [1:21:53] I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tara Ariano, Sarah D. Tara: [1:21:57] No waste, but a lot of spirit. Dave: [1:22:00] Bunting And Maris and Maris Kreizman. Sarah: [1:22:02] Big, fat, happy fucking sandwich. Maris: [1:22:09] It is always sunny in Philadelphia. Dave: [1:22:12] Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here. An extra, extra hot grade. Clip: [1:22:19] Please, come on, get me out of here. Dave: [1:22:30] The show reinforces the unsolvable mystery of why British rundown apartments are Magnitudes more depressing than North American rundown apartments. There is something about them that is terrible on a different level, even though I'm sure they cost the same amount of money in any major city. Tara: [1:22:48] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:22:52] So I don't know what it is about the UK, but they really fucked up their small apartments. Tara: [1:22:53] Mm-hmm. That's a great point.