Extra Hot Great vs. Suits LA

Dave: [0:10] Yuck. This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 551 for the week of February 24th, 2025. I am good times sitter David T. Cole, and I'm here with awkward football metaphor Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [0:33] Something, something, first down. Dave: [0:35] Warner Brothers' newest action star Tara Ariano. Tara: [0:37] You're not even my agent. Dave: [0:39] And triple agent, Kari Race. Kari: [0:41] Ha ha, I'm double crossing the double crosser, or am I? Tara: [0:49] Welcome to Extra Hot Great for another week. Joining us, she is a DJ, a lawyer, potentially an Extra Extra Hot Great Patreon perk. You've heard her with us before. It's Carrie Race. Dave: [1:00] Welcome back, Carrie. Yeah. Sarah: [1:02] Carrie. Kari: [1:02] Thank you for having me. Tara: [1:04] We're delighted to have you to talk about Suits L.A., or as it's known to some, Suitsla, in which Ted Black, Stephen Amell, is a hotshot Los Angeles lawyer on the verge of a merger that will put him and his partner Stuart Lane, Josh McDermott, at the top of the city's biggest firm. but Ted's still not sure he wants to do it and we're catching him on a bad day. He's getting hassled by Rick, Brian Greenberg, and Erica, Lex Scott Davis, both of whom want to be named head of entertainment. John Amos, as himself, wants Ted to set him up with an audition requiring Ted to have Rick run interference. And back in New York, Ted's estranged father, Matt Letcher, is in hospice with days to live but Ted doesn't even care about that because the bad stuff that went down to New York between them that he's been having nightmares about. The show is, of course, a spinoff of recent streaming library content hit Suits, which ran on USA so much longer than you remember, 2011 to 2019. I looked it up. Like the original, the new show was created by Aaron Korsh. NBC aired the series premiere on Sunday. We got access to three, but at least two people here felt like one was plenty let's do the chen check-in carrie should our listeners watch suits la motion. Kari: [2:26] Denied and i will hold you in contempt. Tara: [2:29] Sarah i. Sarah: [2:32] Mean i don't feel that strongly about it like i don't actually know what to tell you so i'm gonna go with no. Tara: [2:38] Dave, my time. I'm with Dave and Bob. That show was real bad. Let's get into it. Carrie, when you're not DJing, you do practice law. What is it like watching your actual life play out on screen this way? Kari: [2:57] Well, I guess one of the misnomers about the law is that the only way to do it is how Suits and Suits LA portrays it. That is not my life at all. It's been 15 years since I was in private practice. I try not to be one of those people that's like, they're not getting anything right, and I can't believe it. But this was so bad. It didn't make sense on a pure common person level. So they certainly weren't getting the law parts of it right. And that's a huge strike against it. Tara: [3:32] Well, yeah, it's astonishing that a show from the same creator as Suits seems to have so little, I guess, memory of what was good about the original. So much so that when we finished this episode, the Suits LA premiere, I immediately put on the series premiere of Suits New York so Dave could see the difference. And he was like, okay, yeah, I get it. So speak on that, Dave. Dave: [3:52] I was fairly confused by Suits Law episode one because I've never watched Suits. I only really know it because of its recent resurgence in the ratings. So I was watching it and I just sort of assumed that Amel was the guy from Suits coming back and that all the flashback nonsense with his father was some sort of connective tissue between the two series. And if it's not, why the fuck is it in there? Tara: [4:20] Right. Dave: [4:21] And then when I found out it wasn't, because then we watched Suits pilot, original Rey's pizza Suits. Tara: [4:28] Mm-hmm. Dave: [4:28] I was like, oh, okay, well, I understand why people like this. This is fun. This is light. Got a little bite where it needs to. And then Suits LA was just like a mess. And not knowing the transition, which was none, I guess, because I thought I was told there would be Suits and Suits LA in the first episode, apparently there were none. And I was just very confused what the fuck was going on because I was trying to create story where apparently there was none. And what was there was just very blah. Like, why is Stephen Amell the lead of the show? He has no charisma. He is a vacuum in that regard. Just a very weird choice. Because he's like, not only does it have charisma, but I don't think it necessarily is written that way either. Like, who is the person you kind of want to win in this scenario? Because the whole pilot is about a merger that goes disastrously wrong for that character. And you're like, well, when some lose some of them. Tara: [5:26] Yeah. Kari: [5:28] There was no one likable. And I have never watched a minute of Suits. And why is Tara dubbed it? Suits original. Tara: [5:39] Yeah. Kari: [5:39] So I don't know the difference. But I swear every single person in this was abhorrent, except maybe John Amos. I'll give him a pass. I'm glad he's getting work. but every other character was just horrible. I wouldn't cross the street to help any of them. Dave: [5:59] You know, being a Suits expert, now that I am having watched the first episode of Suits, I would say the difference is, I don't necessarily think there's anybody like, likable in the Suits pilot. Somebody you want to take home, you know, to meet your parents, but there's like, likable scoundrels like Han Solo types in suits. Yes. A whole bunch of them. Tara: [6:17] Yeah. Dave: [6:18] And that's what makes it work. Whereas in suits LA, they're just douches. Tara: [6:22] Yes. Kari: [6:22] Mm-hmm. Tara: [6:23] Yeah. USA in this era, like, that was their lovable rogue period, for sure. There was this. There was Burn Notice. There was White Collar. Like, are they formulaic? Yes. Is that formula appealing? Also, yes. Like, this is the problem with suits LA. It's not even just that Stephen Amell is, like, a charisma vacuum. He seems to be intentionally unappealing. He's so unlikable. You don't root for him at all. Anyway, Sarah, you're not in comment. Sarah: [6:50] Just like there are proportions to these Blue Sky shows that like, I mean, it's not proportions of anything especially important or informative or high fiber. But it is important to get them correct, because even though it is relatively light entertainment that goes down easy, the reason it is that is because these proportions are correct of stakes, likable people, unlikable people who are not completely doer or actively off-putting, whatever work you're looking behind the scenes of. It doesn't have to be that accurate, but if you don't have those proportions of fizz and interesting accessories on the women and everything that we've talked about a million times that goes into making a cromulent 86 or 7 out of 100 Blue Sky Show, it's not going to work. This is like when he went to the cave world on Arrow Mood. Kari: [7:58] Which is not appropriate. Tara: [8:00] Yeah. Sarah: [8:01] There's, like Dave noted, there's no real tie with all these flashbacks. There's absolutely no reason to have Matt Lesher play what you want to have Stephen Collins play, but nobody can cast Stephen Collins because he's a creep, allegedly. Like, that's bad casting. And also, nobody cares. Tara: [8:22] Right. Sarah: [8:22] And you don't have to have brilliant acting, but you have to have these people be convincingly like no one would have slapped them to death. And that's not true of anybody. Like, I don't know if it's the characters or the actors. Like, the Good Fight universe understood this. Monk and White Collar understood this. Like, you have to have something to root for and to look at. And you don't need to be, like, thinking about it when the credits roll. Tara: [8:49] Yeah. Sarah: [8:50] You're not making the Americans. And if you were, you wouldn't cast that guy. He's not good at this. Tara: [8:56] You also wouldn't cast Josh McDermott without making him shave his beard. His whole blonde business, that head does not belong in the top of the suit. I'm sorry. Sarah: [9:07] No. Tara: [9:07] No. Kari: [9:08] He looked like the dad from Teen Wolf. Tara: [9:11] Yeah. Kari: [9:12] That's a reference anyone remembers. Tara: [9:15] No, he doesn't. Kari: [9:16] When he wolfed out. Tara: [9:18] Yes. Kari: [9:19] Got it. Tara: [9:20] Yeah. Brian Greenberg as Rick, I would say, is like as close as you get to a Patrick J. Adams from the original Energy. And even he is like he's so abashed in this. And the other problem is. So one of the as the closest that we get to a story other than the merger, which like I barely followed what was happening and I was. paying attention, taking notes, like paying more attention than any normal person watching the show is ever going to be, did not track that at all. So when they show up and it's like, oh, everyone's got like, I don't know what's happened. How are you still on this on the fence about this merger the day before you're supposed to sign? Dave: [9:55] There's that. But there's the other thing that the big dramatic turn needs the world's best lawyer to be the world's stupidest lawyer. Tara: [10:03] That's what I was Wiseman from Alias, who one of the people in this who deserves better, is like some kind of Hollywood guy who's been accused of murder and he denies doing it. And now because Stuart has left the merger because of question mark, question mark, don't care. It doesn't matter. Now Ted has to take over his defense. And this is a big problem for Ted, because in the stupidest part of this very stupid show, he cannot abide the idea of defending someone who might be guilty as a lawyer. I don't know who this is for. Is this for people in the audience that love legal shows but hate it when bad people get away with stuff? Because, like, can we all be adults? It's 2025. Like, everyone deserves a defense, even if they're guilty. and no one should know that better than a lawyer. This is such a stupid character note. Like Dave said, it just makes him look like a complete idiot. Dave: [11:02] I wasn't even talking about that part of it. I was talking about the part of the merger where he somehow gives his partner the ability to take all his employees away and ice them out. Tara: [11:12] Yeah. Sarah: [11:13] Which he does because another lawyer was mean to him. Right. Called him a flea in front of other people. like that's what started all of this wow this is like the fuck you frank shaggy dog joke but as a pilot and dumb. Kari: [11:33] The thing that got me was that, you know, he effectively, you know, he used to be a prosecutor in New York. So he's one of the good guys, I guess. But he effectively was cutting a deal with the man that we are told murdered a bunch of people in the first scene. But I guess that's okay in his moral compass, as long as he that guy rolls over on a bunch of mobsters, then he can get a deal and presumably, you know, not go to prison for as long as he should and whatnot. Like, that's okay, but I can't cotton to people getting a defense, even when we don't even know if they're guilty. Give me a break. Dave: [12:11] Here's how you put connective tissue between the two shows and save the show, frankly. You Forrest Gump him into a whole bunch of scenes in Suits, the original. Like, he's just in the background doing things, you know, and he's just, like, drinking, he's listening in on important information, getting all the scoops. And then somehow they can use that to like bring in actual Suits, original Rays people, because otherwise I can't see the show lasting more than a season because it needs it needs what it had and it doesn't have it. Tara: [12:41] Yeah. And it's not even you can't even say it's like they needed to cast a big name, because when you watch Suits, the original like the most famous person in it is probably Gina Torres. And everyone else is like they were cast for personality, not for being a name. I assume Stephen Amell is supposed to be the name here, but everyone else they got, they couldn't afford to give them. Dave: [13:00] You're talking about Heels' zone? Tara: [13:02] Yes, Heels' zone. Kari: [13:04] You're talking about Scab Stephen Amell? Tara: [13:07] Thank you. That too. I mean, maybe that's why I think he's so unappealing, because he is in real life. But yeah, this was bad. Bad show. Dave: [13:17] Yeah. Tara: [13:17] Real waste of good IP. It could have been something if anyone had cared to make it good. Dave: [13:29] It's time to go around the dial talking about what we've been watching on TV recently. Our first stop, as always, Tara. Tara: [13:35] So as you're listening to this, it was 11 years ago yesterday that Alec Baldwin was on the cover of New York Magazine claiming he was going to depart public life because paparazzi were bothering him all the time. And he had recently been accused of calling one of them the F slur. And he was mad that he was being abused like this because he said he didn't do it. But he probably should have departed public life because by his own telling in the course of showing how not homophobic he was with representatives of a queer activist group in Hawaii, he referred to one of them with a transphobic slur that made it to print. But, as we now know, Alec Baldwin did not leave public life. He continued extending his brand by hosting Match Game and an interview podcast that was briefly a TV talk show, and he starred in an indie movie called Rest, on the set of which he shot cinematographer Helena Hutchins with a prop gun and she died. and the costs of his legal defense in this case, plus the costs of supporting the seven minor children he shares with his wife, Ilaria, more on her to come. These are presumably why he agreed to be the newest star of an unscripted TLC show. He, of course, has another child, Ireland, with Kim Basinger. She is on screen for a second in the first episode of The Baldwins, not talking. Tara: [14:50] In a sense, TLC is the perfect place for a show like The Baldwins before 90 Day Fiance became... the channel's whole brand. That was where you would find shows about families with a lot of children. And the first couple of segments of The Baldwins are kind of that with like the kids popping off at home while Alex looks 66 in the middle of them and tries halfheartedly to wrangle them and they get haircuts and blah, blah, blah. But it doesn't take long before you get to the involuntary manslaughter trial. And I will say I was not expecting to see footage from a Santa Faye Police Department interrogation room as cops told Alec that Helena Hutchins had died. Tara: [15:27] So we're joining the family last summer just before Alec went back to stand trial, which the charges were eventually dismissed. Prior to that, there had been a settlement in a civil suit that around the time filming started, he was late in payments on. Apparently, that does not come up. We do hear how hard this has been on the family. Not harder than it's been on Hutchins's family, of course, both of the Paldwins say, but hard also. We see multiple scenes of figuring out the car seating plan for the family's drive out to their house in the Hamptons, including the two nannies, only one of which we see on screen for a second. This summer trip is happening shortly after Alec cut the asking price on the Hamptons' house by $10 million before no one was interested in buying it, but that doesn't come up either. Tara: [16:10] And if you're like me or potentially less interested in this show for the parts about him and that awful story, than for what you may see of the fascinating mess that is Ilaria. And the real shame is that now you can't separate them. She does talk about the press around her fake Spanish accent and how it all hurt her feelings. She claims she grew up bilingual and is proud of that. Does not say she formerly claimed in interviews to have been born in Spain and only moved to the U.S. at 19 to go to NYU. None of that is true. We're not being as candid for this as we could be. Tara: [16:42] And as someone who fanatically followed that story of the fake accent, I, of course, was always going to watch this show. But the parts with the seven kids seeming to take up 23 kids worth of air and space are too stressful to make it worth watching the parts where their parents tell part of their story. Alec Baldwin made a series of bad decisions to get himself here, including making his life more chaotic when he has clinical OCD, apparently. So I won't say I feel sorry for him, but I also don't want to watch him sit in a hell of his own making. do have a tiny triumph associated with this though i posted on blue sky during the episode alec baldwin is 66 years old his various shortcomings as a person aside he should not currently be in a position to know about children's backpacks that was faved by a former 30 rock writer so make of that what you will the baldwins don't watch it i probably won't keep watching it but i might i'll link to that new york magazine story because it is quite a time capsule, as well as reviews from past and future guests, Richard Lawson and Catherine Van Arundonk, because those reviews are cold. Kari: [17:45] Real cold. Tara: [17:47] For my plug, I will direct you to cracked.com, where you can see my interview with Anthony Michael Hall, nerd no more, now a bad guy in Reacher, as we talked about a couple of weeks ago. He was a chatty one, so you can find that at cracked. Sarah: [18:02] Oh, cool. Dave: [18:05] Terry, what do you got for us? Kari: [18:06] All right. I am borrowing Tara's old rubric of lowbrow and highbrow. And I'll start with the lowbrow choice, which is ladies and gentlemen, dot, dot, dot, 50 years of SNL music. I gave up on Saturday Night Live a long time ago. So most of the SNL 50 nonsense was lost on me. But this special, I think, got lost in the mix. It's on Peacock. Don't get confused with the concert that was held on Valentine's Day. I don't even know where that aired. But this one is a work by Questlove, and it's fantastic. Worth watching for all music fans, even if you are bah humbug about SNL like me. And there's an opening sequence that is just breathtaking. So even if you just tune in to watch that, it's worth it. Kari: [18:59] My highbrow choice is a German miniseries called Dear Child. That one is available here in the U.S. on Netflix. Big content warnings. The elevator pitch is that it's about a woman and a child who escape from a home where they are being held. And the aftermath. I usually do not watch this type of crime stuff. I made a conscious decision around 2016 to stop subjecting myself to dark entertainment. but my hairdresser recommended this and she sold it so well that I started watching and there are so many twists and turns. Nothing is really what it seems sometimes in ways that are obvious, but other times in ways that are surprising. It's extremely compelling. So you might be compelled to watch the whole thing in one sitting. It's just six episodes. It's very well acted. I think it won like an international Emmy. So it's a good watch. Give it a try. If it's not for you, it's not for you. But I think you'll get sucked in and want to finish it out. Tara: [20:04] Okay. Anything to plug? Kari: [20:06] Oh, yes. You can find me on Charlie's 80s Attic, where I spin 80s tunes. We are refreshing our special programming lineup at the end of March. So we'll have some cool new shows coming out. And I also do a podcast called Hey, Remember the 80s. New episodes drop most Tuesdays. And we're having a lot of fun over there, me and my co-host, Joe. So join us. Tara: [20:31] Love it. Kari: [20:32] Thank you. Sarah: [20:32] Speaking of remembering the 80s, America Undercover. Do you remember that? Probably remember The Iceman colon Confessions of a Mafia Hitman in which a guy named Richard Kuklinski, who looks like a warthog and James Gandolfini had an offspring, talks at great length about his many kills. He was called the Iceman because the case that got him tangled up with the authorities sort of terminally. The body had been frozen for several years before he dropped it into the reeds in the Meadowlands. Anyway, this is the most legendary installment, I think, of the documentary, so much so that I think most people forget that it was part of a larger series. Sarah: [21:19] The Iceman is one of those movies HBO would air multiple times a day during the day to fill the schedule. I had probably seen it four or five times by the time I graduated from college. I do remember watching other episodes, but Iceman is the one almost everyone remembers, but only sort of. Because if you bring it up, everyone's like, oh, yeah. But if you don't bring it up, it stays not brought up. I wrote a piece last week or the week before on Best Evidence about this, about why didn't this have the sustain in Gen X memory that Unsolved Mysteries did, or Anne Rule did, or Meredith Baxter-Bernie going ham on her ex-husband's BMW did? Why didn't it last? I'm not totally sure. I think part of it is that HBO, as premium cable, it was much more premium and less quotidian than it is now. It wasn't in every household. Not everyone's dad wanted to watch boxing, so not everybody had that channel. I think that there was a consistency, particularly to Unsolved Mysteries. It might not have been great. You might not have cared about the UFO segments, but it was very consistent. Robert Stack was in every episode. It's always the same music. It's always the same directors. Sarah: [22:40] America Undercover had... heavy hitter directors at times, like the Maisels. But generally speaking, it was a different topic every time. And I think it was kind of high fiber, not very overproduced. If you're used to streaming true crime now, it's going to seem really DIY, which I don't mind. But people who are like, you know, prestige documentaries are boring, are probably thinking of America Undercover and having to watch one about crack for school, social studies class, probably. So I wrote about this. I wrote about the golden, silver, bronze, and celluloid ages of true crime and which sort of Rushmorean figures go in which ages. I still haven't quite sorted out where I want to put all of these things and where Capote fits into things, but all of that is in the piece. We will We'll link it in the show notes. And that is at bestevidence.flyi. Dave: [23:45] I watched a show on Hulu called A Thousand Blows. I just want to first say that if you've also watched A Thousand Blows and want to talk about it online, I insist that we start using the abbreviation AKB because it's cool. I have never watched Peaky Blinders, which this feels like is of a part of Sarah D. Bunting. You're a Peaky Blinders person. Yes? Tara: [24:08] Same creator. Sarah: [24:09] No, I thought you were. Dave: [24:11] Oh, I thought you were. Oh, embarrassing. Sarah: [24:13] You are. Dave: [24:14] We both brought Peaky Blinders to the dinner and we both don't like it. Kari: [24:17] Oh, no. Tara: [24:19] We might like it. We've never tried it. Dave: [24:21] I've never tried it. Yeah. Sarah: [24:22] Yeah, I think I would like it. I just never tried it either. Dave: [24:24] Well, I tell you, I've watched a few episodes of A Thousand Blows and I'm quite liking it so far. So this is a story about three factions in East London. There is the Queen of the Elephants, Mary Carr, and her gang of lady thieves. They are semi-associated with the Goodsons, which are your local boxers slash mafia people. And then there's a pair of men from Jamaica just freshly arrived, Hezekiah and Alec. Yeah. And they are all sort of playing off each other and sort of trying to like get their footing and get a leg up in the area. And it's, you know, my whole body's a gun. It's like that kind of show, you know, tough guy. We're all tough. You know, we're ladies, we're men, whatever. We're tough. I'll kill you just for looking at me. It's got that kind of energy to it. And it just sort of never gives up on it. Yeah. Kind of been loving it so far. Tara: [25:21] Yeah, it's fun. The boxing guys are so tough. Their names are Sugar and Treacle. And it's not an issue because they are so tough. They will rip your head off. And Sugar is played by Stephen Graham, who we saw last year in that time travel show, that English thing where he, I don't even remember what it's called. Yes. Thank you. Good memory. Dave: [25:41] Bodies, bodies, bodies. Tara: [25:42] He was in Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, and just Bodies. But anyway, he was on the Off Menu podcast this week, and he was talking about it. And so apparently Hezekiah and Sugar were both based on real people. So that's sort of where the genesis of it came from. And they were like, oh, you know, someone sent them these photos were like in a little bit of their story and said, this is cool. It would be great if we get Stephen Knight to write this show. And Stephen Graham was like, he would never do it. And then his wife, who is, I guess, his producing partner was like, let's give it a shot. And he totally did. So he's incredibly prolific, this guy. It was quite a get for them. Dave: [26:16] So if that sounds up your alley, I had imagined it's similar to Peaky Blinders. I mean, at least the setting is anyway. So I'm going to guess if you like Peaky Blinders, you're probably somewhat interested in A Thousand Blows. Maybe this will make me finally watch Peaky Blinders. Tara: [26:32] Yeah, there's plenty of it. Dave: [26:33] There's plenty of Peaky Blinders for all of us, Sarah. Sarah: [26:36] All right. Dave: [26:37] Here's what's coming up on Extra Extra Hot. Great. Soon. How soon, you say? This Friday is the answer. We were talking about Beyond the Gates, a soap opera. I'm kind of looking forward to that because I've never really watched the soap opera. So let's see how it goes. That is available to club members. If you are not a club member, first of all, shame on you. Second of all, go to extrahotgreat.com slash club for more info and to sign up. And then come back here next week on EHG Prime. We're going to be talking about Running Point. I don't know what that is. Quickly, what is it? Tara: [27:05] Oh, that's the new Mindy Kaling sitcom. Ike Barinholtz is also a co-creator. It's basically the life of Jeannie Buss in real life. Oh, that one. Kate Hudson is suddenly the president of her family-owned NBA team. Dave: [27:19] Got it. Tara: [27:20] And what happens then? Hijinks ensue. Dave: [27:22] It's winning time, but not. Tara: [27:24] Exactly. Dave: [27:25] Yep. We welcome back Crystal Farmer for that one. Don't miss it or you'll be dead. I'm really tired. I haven't had a lot of sleep. Sarah: [27:35] Yikes. Dave: [27:39] It is time for the Extra Hot Great Cannon. Presenting this week is our guest, Keri. Keri, take it away. Kari: [27:46] Thank you. Let me start by saying that I remember all the way back in Mark 1 of the podcast when Joe Reed made a pitch for a Natalie Portman-hosted episode of Saturday Night Live and failed. Dave: [27:59] Infamous. Kari: [28:00] Yes. The consensus seemed to be that sketch shows were a very hard sell. And even though in the years since, episodes of Kids in the Hall, Drunk History, and other like shows have been inducted, it's not without some trepidation that I bring you Season 3, Episode 5 of Kroll Show, titled The In-Edition 2s. Ironically, I think what this particular episode of Kroll Show excels at is all the things that most sketch shows fail at regularly. Kari: [28:32] First, it's a pitch-perfect parody not just of one, not even two, but multiple different genres. Quirrell Show had a number of recurring characters and sketch formats that repeated over its three seasons. Maybe the biggest drawback of pitching an episode of this show is the potential for unfamiliar viewers to feel like they don't have the background on these characters to really get the joke. Regular viewers are no doubt rewarded, but this episode contains something for even the casual and new viewer. Also, what Kroll Show did incredibly well, as evidenced by the main sketch in this episode, is putting an entirely new spin on a genre it had already been skewering for years and that regular viewers may be finding tiresome. The character Bobby Bottle Service, played by Kroll himself, is obviously a take on the various guidos found on Jersey Shore, but Kroll's show dares to ask, what would happen if one of those guidos had to put a team together to rescue his kidnapped mom? It might sound something like this. Clip one. Peter Paparazzo, you're the tech guy. I'm computer. Two gorgeous straight girls who pretend to be lipstick-style. Sarah: [30:00] For you. No, bro, it's about personal vengeance in addition to camaraderie. Kari: [30:06] And yes, that is CT of Real World and the Challenge fame playing himself. One of the other storylines is Wheels, Ontario, a spin on Degrassi Junior High where most of the students are in wheelchairs. And that parody works so well because it whiplashes so hard in the opposite direction of the usual TV trope. Someone's questioning their sexuality and getting ostracized for it. Wheels, Ontario says, hell no, you're bi and we're loving it. Clip two. Kari: [31:22] The second reason why this episode works so well is because it's a perfect balance within itself. Bobby's heist, with the crew he dubs the in-addition twos, serves as the through-line, but along with Wheels Ontario, there's also Toilet Dad, a takeoff on Teen Mom starring Cesar Kroll once again. The best description I can come up with for Cesar is that he looks like Eddie Munster and talks like Sylvester the Cat. Sounds pretty tiring, right? Well, as the episode goes on, just when you might be getting sick of one of these storylines, a perfectly timed switch is made. Cesar had a baby with another mainstay character of the show, Jenny Slate, as Liz. And the only real black mark against this episode is that we don't see Liz in her regular environment as part of a PR firm with her best friend Liz called Pub Lizity. It's based off their names. Kari: [32:18] In this episode, Liz has appeared at Cesar's door just as he's about to go on a date with someone else. Clip three. Wait, who is that? I don't know. Well, don't just answer it. Why not? Do not swing open the door. You need to remain. Dave: [33:04] Here and get to know each other. You're not allergic to things that are rusty and sharp, are you? I don't know. Try me. Kari: [33:11] If Jetty Slate's reading of I Don't Know, Try Me doesn't make you laugh, the problem is you. Kari: [33:19] Third reason why this episode belongs in the canon is that while Kroll Show offers up the most ridiculous characters, that in some cases are thinly veiled representations of actual people, it never feels like the show is punching down at them. None of these characters are really people you would want to spend actual time with, but they are all strangely endearing, and they actually seem human as opposed to flat stereotypes. I love one moment in particular. On his way into the house where his mother is being held, Bobby had to expletive omitted his way through a bachelorette party being held in the backyard. Later, he needs Farley, played by Chelsea Peretti, to hit a high note to help disarm a security system. She's asked one of the crew to kiss up on her neck and CT to take his shirt off in order to help her. Clip four. Kari: [34:42] Even though she probably couldn't spell it you can count on farley to call out that inherent misogyny the final reason this episode belongs in the canon is the absolute murderers row of comedic actors present i've already mentioned jenny slate and chelsea peretti there are at least nine other veritable superstars in the mix i want to wrap up my presentation with one more all-time line reading by Jenny Slate. Cesar has come home from his date to find Liz and Bob Duca asleep together on a pullout couch. Clip five. Bob Duca, I'm back from my date. She was a nice girl, but there wasn't no chemistry. Tara: [35:51] My door, and I'm like, that's not the door that happened. It was a moose understanding. Kari: [36:00] It was a moose understanding y'all it was a moose understanding for these and many other reasons i simply didn't have time to get into including the bob duca of it all please induct the in addition twos into the extra hot great canon carrie. Tara: [36:19] Thank you so much we've re-watched the show like recently-ish within the last few years and it really is so underrated people still talk about Mr. Show but I feel like people don't talk about Kroll Show enough for all the reasons that you said they were incredible at just doing like basically their own sort of VH1 sub-celeb reality things where like just it kept metastasizing with these characters and then crossing over with like I mean this episode doesn't even include the pet plastic surgeon who gets charged with murder like it's like the lore of the show is so funny and stupid and that's what i love about it the most probably is that it's dumb humor done by smart people in a dumb way that is still smart, it's hard to do ending on it was a moose understanding is the perfect place to stop it's just it's so idiotic and he liz An all-timer character for this show, and I'm going to say all of sketch comedy. That accent, you think it's overdone, and then you see a promo for the aforementioned 90 Day Fiance and realize, no, there really are people who talk like that all the time. Like, this is actually kind of a documentary. There were a few points where I noted, this is where she won Sarah over. Oh, this is where she clinched it again. We're going to call that the super clinch. First of all, when we see CT, then when Adam Pally shows up later. Sarah: [37:46] Yep. Tara: [37:49] Finally, I'm going to get through this just like Richard Grieco did in the 80s. I'm going to fuck my way through. I was like, I don't know how Sarah can possibly say no to this now. But I guess we'll find out. Also, not enough Bob Duca. That's my only knock on this episode. Bob Duca, also so fucking funny. And if you haven't listened to his episodes of Comedy Bang Bang, sort yourself out. The true master of the list joke of all time. Dave: [38:16] Nobody does it better. Tara: [38:17] No, it's true. So this was delightful. I'd forgotten how rich a text this actually is with all of the different references. I am computers, and we'll find out if Sarah is as well. Sarah. Sarah: [38:28] I mean, they actually had me at Coca-Cola. That was like sort of sub-clinch. CT was like formal clinch. That they're arguing over whether the kid is named Pinocchio or Skylord is like, okay, auxiliary clinch. But I think when he's like just eating a sandwich with a knife and fork while on a ransom call with Jason Mantzoukas, I was like, okay, I'm just going to stop taking notes. What a pleasure. Like it reminded me that I wanted to rewatch The League, but I think I'll just watch this instead because I didn't watch this when it was on. But any snippet I've ever seen, I was like, oh, yeah, this is my jam. And this is actually like, it's not about the same thing, but it's enough of the same people. And it's like the right same people who are in it. But yeah, Adam Pally, like rolling up and being like, sweet, now we could fucking be together. And then later he's bitching that he jumped in a zip car and now he's stuck in Canada. And then he talks himself into just staying on a sister's visa because it's better up there. Tara: [39:39] Yeah. Sarah: [39:40] So good. ct is perfect like absolutely already gets the joke and understands what he's doing in the culture even 10 years ago and then before they go into the um blooper reel the i gotta start using more toothpicks it's just so good it's it's so good i have been looking for excuses to talk about gigolos roaming the perimeter for cardio ever since watching this i um am i'm not finding one yet, but I'm not giving up. I would be curious to know what you thought the buncy clinchers were if it wasn't the stuff that I mentioned. But yeah, this was delightful and a full myself. Dave: [40:26] Glad you liked it, because I wasn't sure when I saw, like, the makeup of the episode, because Cesar and Bobby Bottle Service are the two most annoying characters on the show. But they're sort of used here to pretty good effect, and Carrie's right, just when you're like, eh, they switch gears and they go to Wheels Ontario or something like that. So they know when it's running out of gas, and they have to, like, recharge for a bit. There's a couple jokes nobody mentioned that really cracked me up for some reason. During the Toilet Dad segment, they go to see a judge. And then later, the judge is trying to return a plug at plugs. Sarah: [41:05] A plug. Dave: [41:06] Yeah. Sarah: [41:06] Yeah. Dave: [41:06] And Cesar comes up to him and says, you know, I'll make this right. I'll handle this and blah, blah, blah. And the judge is like, oh, it's you. I didn't notice you without my robe on. Sarah: [41:16] Yeah. I wrote that one down. Dave: [41:18] I love stupid shows like that. Tara: [41:19] Yeah. Dave: [41:20] And then the other thing that just every time it was said, it was said by both Bobby Bottle Service and his mom. It was Bachelorette Party. Back-clore-ette. Yeah, Kroll Show is a really solid sketch show. And I think, like, you're right, Tara, it didn't really get its due. I don't know why that is. Maybe it was just, like, it was on Comedy Central instead of HBO or whatever. But it's solid. It's solid comedy. And there's some all-timers in there. I look forward to Sarah's take on L.A. Deli, one of my favorite sketches from the whole show. And also a great tie-in for Carrie. It's all about 80s rock. Yeah, you can't go wrong with Kroll Show. And this is a really interesting episode to bring to the canon. I wouldn't have thought of it just because I think, like, as soon as I hear Cesar and Bobby Bottle Service, like, well, maybe there's something else. But this is put together really well. And I really enjoyed the heist part of it. And is CT the guy that wore a banana backpack? Tara: [42:21] Correct. Dave: [42:21] That's that guy. Tara: [42:22] Yes. Dave: [42:22] Okay. Okay. Perfect. All right, let's put this to the official vote. Tara, what say you? Tara: [42:27] It's a toilet baby, yes. Kari: [42:30] Sarah? Sarah: [42:31] I also am computer. Yes, me. Tara: [42:34] And me too. Dave: [42:35] So. That means Kroll Show, season three, episode five, the in addition to, so you are hereby inducted into the Extra Hot Grey Cannon. Dave: [42:54] love a winner. Yep. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. It's time for the winner and the loser of the week. Sarah has this week's winner. Sarah: [43:04] Yes, I do. It is Mr. Martin Short. He has won his first SAG award at the age of 74 for only murders in the building. And I could not be happier for him. Unless I couldn't, Tara. Tara: [43:16] Well, he unfortunately was not present to accept the award in person. And the reason is our loser of the week. the SNL 50 special where he got COVID. So did Maya Rudolph, his former Variety Show co-host. And one of the posts that I saw reporting on this had a picture from the party of the two of them giving each other like a little peck on the mouth. And it's like, well, there it is. There's the virus being passed between friends. That's how it happens sometimes. We wish him a speedy recovery and imperceptible symptoms. Dave: [43:47] Speaking about imperceptible symptoms, you know what time it is? Tara: [43:50] I'm scared. Sarah: [43:51] Game time. Dave: [43:52] We got a case of game time coming next year. Tara: [43:53] Oh, no. Sarah: [43:54] Woo. Dave: [44:05] It is getting interesting in game time land. It's the seventh game of the season. The scores are Tara with two, Sarah with two, value guess with two. To recap, everybody has two. Today we're playing Guess Who from Matt, who earns himself an extra credit. Topic of his choosing, plus a free shirt or whatever he wants from the EHG store at throughmethods.com. In Guess Who, I'm going to play an actor and give you up to four clues to who I am. I have picked three shows from my CV. Your first clue will be info about the show I starred in the least episodes of. I'll tell you how many episodes I was in and who I played. Guess my name here, and it's worth four points. If you don't guess correctly, I'll give you the same info for the next show. Three points. If you don't guess there, two points for the next show in line. And if you still don't know, after getting three sets of information like that, I will tell you the names of the shows I've been talking about. And then one point at the end. So it's a bit of a triangulation game. Kind of figure out who we're talking about by character names and the episodes that they are in. I need a steel meal situation, please, Tara. Tara: [45:15] Thank you, Dave. I'm happy to supply that for you because the steel meal situation is as follows. Sarah has one. I have two. Valued guests have two plus Eric's meal for a total of three. Dave: [45:25] All right. And remember, Eric's meals do not roll over. So even if, just use it. I'm going to say, just use it. If you don't use it, we're going to make fun of you. what sarah debunting you have a question i think i know what it is but ask it uh. Sarah: [45:37] Can we guess at any point along the way. Dave: [45:40] You sure can not every time every level give me a guess and we'll know we'll proceed if you get it incorrect all right let's throw it to pick you see who's going first, we will start with valued guest all right carrie's in the hot seat i'm going to go to sarah then tara 21 questions one gross worth equalizer challenge zone towards the middle of it all are we ready to play guess who yes all right here we go carrie is first you must guess who i am who am i i played paul lewiston in 71 episodes of a tv show oh gosh that sounds familiar least number of episodes in the clue sets today so we're only going to get bigger from 71 which Which is a lot. Tara: [46:23] Mm-hmm. Kari: [46:24] Paul Lewiston. Dave: [46:25] Lewiston. Kari: [46:27] Lewiston. Lewiston. Um, uh, let me say Timothy Olyphant. Sarah: [46:32] Zip! Dave: [46:33] In 134 episodes, I was Clayton Runnymede Encock III. Kari: [46:39] What? That certainly sounds like a character that I should remember. Uh, boo boo boo. Jon Hamm. Dave: [46:50] In 173 episodes, I played a character named Odo. Kari: [46:56] Oh, crumbs. René Aubergeois? Tara: [47:03] I think that's close enough. Dave: [47:04] You are correct. That was worth two points. We got Boston Legal, Benson, and then Star Trek D Space Nine. But we're not done yet. Here's a little twist of this game. For three points, spell by name. Kari: [47:20] Do you really want me to okay I know his first name is R-E-N-E and then I think Aubergeois is A-U B-E-R-J-O-I-S you missed a syllable oh boy A-U-B-E-R-J-O-N-O-I-S. Dave: [47:40] So no bonus three points. Kari: [47:42] Alright so now. Dave: [47:44] You know the little twist of the game so keep that in mind when you're guessing. Kari: [47:47] Actors. Sarah: [47:49] Okay. Dave: [47:50] We proceed to Tara. Tara: [47:51] Okay. Dave: [47:52] In 31 episodes, I played Bobby Morse. Tara: [47:56] Next. Dave: [47:57] In 36 episodes, I played Commander Kelly Grayson. Tara: [48:04] That's so familiar to me. Next. Dave: [48:06] In 52 episodes, I played Tyra Collette. Tara: [48:10] Oh, Adrienne Palicki. Dave: [48:13] Adrienne Palicki is good for two points. Spell my name. Tara: [48:16] First and last? Dave: [48:17] Yep. Tara: [48:18] A-D-R-I-A-N-N-E is our first name. P-A-L-I-C-K-I. Dave: [48:24] You are correct. That is a bonus. Three points for correct spelling of my name. Tara: [48:28] Oh, I thought it was just for a total of three. Shit. Dave: [48:30] Yeah. Big points in the spelling here. This game started as Spelling Bee and then it morphed into this surprise Spelling Bee for you. Here we go. Sarah D. Bunting, in 53 episodes, I played Helen Soloway. Sarah: [48:46] I don't know. Next. Dave: [48:48] In 97 episodes, I played Lisa Miller. Sarah: [48:51] Next. Dave: [48:52] In 189 episodes, I played Abby Lockhart. Sarah: [48:57] Oh, yeah. Jesus. Okay. Dave: [49:03] I will accept two answers. Sarah: [49:06] Oh, right. Mara Tierney? Dave: [49:10] You are correct. That is a two-point answer. Spell my name for an extra three points. Sarah: [49:15] Maura, M-A-U-R-A, Tierney, T-I-E-R-N-E-Y. Dave: [49:21] You are correct. And bonus three points for you. We are back to Carrie. In six episodes, I played a character named Jim Bridger. Jim Bridger. Kari: [49:33] Next. Dave: [49:35] In 15 episodes, I played a character named Pete Strickland. Kari: [49:41] Well, it's obviously a bland white man. Pete Strickland. What's next? Dave: [49:51] In 56 episodes, I played Elias Eli Thompson. Kari: [49:57] Oh, boy. Is that the guy from the... Is it Alan Cumming? No. Dave: [50:04] The shows we were talking about, Jim Bridger in American Primeval, Pete Strickland in Perry Mason, And Eli Thompson in Boardwalk Empire. Tara: [50:14] Right. Dave: [50:15] Do you know who I am? Kari: [50:18] Yes. Is this Shea Wiggum? Dave: [50:20] I am Shea Wiggum. Spell my name. Tara: [50:23] Wiggum. Kari: [50:24] S-H-E-A. W. Dave: [50:29] Oh, she's getting petted paper. She's cheating. Kari: [50:34] W-I-G-H-A-M. Second H, right? Dave: [50:41] Tara. Tara: [50:42] Yes. Dave: [50:43] In 10 episodes, I played Cal Thresher. Tara: [50:47] Next. Dave: [50:48] In 12 episodes, I played Robert Quarles. Tara: [50:52] I feel like I'm getting further from it. Next. Dave: [50:55] In 45 episodes, I played Damien Dark. You're not getting rid of the dark, are you? Tara: [51:03] Next. Dave: [51:05] Cal Thresher, Tulsa King. Tara: [51:07] Right. Dave: [51:07] Robert Quarles, Justified. Damien, Dark, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, and The Flash. Tara: [51:14] Okay. Dave: [51:15] Who am I? Tara: [51:16] Yeah, you're Neil McDonough. Dave: [51:18] You are correct. That was worth one point. Spell my name. Tara: [51:23] I believe his first name is N-E-A-L. Last name M-C-D-O-N-O-U-G-H. Dave: [51:30] You are correct. Three points. Nicely done. Sarity Bunting. In 37 episodes, I played Jess Miriano, or Mariano. Jess Mariano. Sarah: [51:42] Yes, you certainly did. And I can picture this guy and I remember who used to date and I could spell her name, but now my mind is emptied of names of boys. So next please. Dave: [51:58] In 69 episodes, I played Peter Petrelli. Sarah: [52:04] Wow, really? That many? Dave: [52:06] Yeah. Sarah: [52:07] Okay, so that was Heroes. Next. Can't stall that long. Dave: [52:13] In 106 episodes, I played Jack Person. A person. Tara: [52:19] Pearson. Dave: [52:20] Is it Pearson? Yes. Well, then that's a mistake on the thing. This is me. Wait, let me correct that. Sarah: [52:26] A person. Dave: [52:27] I played Jack Pearson. A Pearson. it's the human it's the human condition he. Sarah: [52:35] Carried the person's human condition i i mean i absolutely know who this is. Dave: [52:41] I should. Sarah: [52:41] Be getting all these points. Dave: [52:42] I just. Sarah: [52:43] Cannot put and like you know asking you to move on. Dave: [52:47] Yeah given how much you hate this guy i'm surprised you didn't get right off the bat i. Tara: [52:51] Don't think she hates the. Dave: [52:52] Guy you know generally speaking the show. Yeah, yeah. Tara: [52:54] The main show. Dave: [52:56] Do you want the last clue? Sarah: [52:57] Yeah, why not? Dave: [52:58] So Jess from Gilmore Girls, Peter from Heroes, Jack from This Is Us. Sarah: [53:06] If you just tell me the name of the actor you want me to say. Dave: [53:11] His first name is some sort of hot chocolate drink from Brazil. I can tell you that much. Sarah: [53:16] Rico Petrucelli of the Red Sox. Kari: [53:19] Steel meal! Dave: [53:20] Steel meal! Here we go. Kari: [53:24] Milo Ventimile. Dave: [53:26] All right. Sarah: [53:26] There we go. Dave: [53:27] That's a good steal because guess what? Now you have to spell my name. Kari: [53:29] Now I spell it. I got it. M-I-L-O- So far, so good. V-E-N-T-I-M-I-G-L-I-A. Dave: [53:42] You are correct. Sarah: [53:43] Nicely done. Kari: [53:44] That's rudimentary Italian. Four points steal. For you. Dave: [53:48] All right. Now here's your full question, Carrie. Kari: [53:50] Thank you. Oh, boy. Dave: [53:52] In 22 episodes, I played Neil. Just Neil. Kari: [53:58] Next. Dave: [53:59] In 27 episodes, I played Sanjay. Next. Kari: [54:04] Uh, sorry to be so reductive, but is this Kumail Nanjiani? No. Dave: [54:10] In 62 episodes, I played Jonathan. Neil Sanjay Jonathan. Kari: [54:17] Uh, Malik. I don't know how to say his last name. Palachoy? Dave: [54:21] We'll give it to you. Kari: [54:22] Okay. Dave: [54:23] Spell my name. Kari: [54:26] Uh, M-A-L-I-K-P-A-U-C-H-O-L-Y. Dave: [54:34] M-A-U-L-I-K-P-A-N-C-H-O-L-Y there. But you still got two points for identifying who I was. Kari: [54:46] Thank you. Tara: [54:47] Yep. Dave: [54:48] In 12 episodes, I was the voice of Rafiki. Tara: [54:54] Next. Dave: [54:55] In 45 episodes, I was Isaac Jaffe. Tara: [55:00] I thought I was, and then I second-guessed myself. It's Robert Guillaume. Dave: [55:04] You know you can guess at every level, Tara. Tara: [55:05] Yeah, okay. You're right. Yes. All right. Dave: [55:08] That is good for three points. We also had Benson Dubois there. Tara: [55:13] Of course. Dave: [55:13] All right. Spell my name. Tara: [55:15] R-O-B-E-R-T-G-U-I-L-L-A-U-M-E. Dave: [55:21] You are correct. Killing it on the spelling. Sarah. Sarah: [55:25] Yeah. Dave: [55:26] In 10 episodes, I played Morgan Guillory. Sarah: [55:30] Didn't help. Next. Dave: [55:31] In 37 episodes, I played Mackenzie Murphy. Sarah: [55:37] Nope. Next. Dave: [55:38] In 171 episodes. This is of a couple weeks ago, by the way. I played Dee Reynolds. Dee Reynolds. In 171 episodes. Tara: [55:48] And counting. Dave: [55:49] And counting. Sarah: [55:51] And counting. Because it's always sunny. And I like that show that she's on, but I can't remember her name either. Why not just tell me all the shows that she's been on and we'll see if Stalling helps. Dave: [56:02] Morgan from High Potential. Mackenzie from The Mick. Dee from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Sarah: [56:11] But who am I? Well, I can picture all of her coats from the high potential pilot. Tara: [56:19] There's a mage coat. Sarah: [56:21] I don't remember her name. Someone should steal it. Dave: [56:24] Nobody? All right. That is Caitlin Olsen. Sarah, spell my name. Sarah: [56:31] Oh, right. Okay. Well, I'm going to hope that I'm correct. It's K-A-I-T-L-Y-N or L-I-N. Dave: [56:42] Okay. Sarah: [56:43] You know what? Kari: [56:43] It's fine. Sarah: [56:44] I slept like three and a half hours last night. No, that's okay. Dave: [56:47] I'm just surprised Tara took over as Game Master so soon. K-A-I-T-L-I-N-O-L-S-O-N. There. All right. Sarah: [56:59] That I wouldn't know. Dave: [57:00] To Carrie. 10 episodes as Letty Lewis... Kari: [57:06] I'm like, Letty? That's from the movies, the Fast and the Furious movies. Next. Dave: [57:14] 20 episodes as Rosalie. Kari: [57:17] Next. Dave: [57:19] 26 episodes as Jess Merriweather. Kari: [57:24] Zooey Deschanel. Oh. Dave: [57:27] The shows are Letty from Lovecraft Country, Rosalie from Underground, and Jess Merriweather from Friday Night Lights. Who am I? Kari: [57:38] Oh, gosh. Yeah, I can picture this actress, but I cannot remember her name. She was just in something else I watched. I do not know. Dave: [57:51] All right. Anybody else know? Tara: [57:53] Journey Smollett. Dave: [57:53] Journey Smollett is the answer we were looking for. All right. Carrie, spell my name. Kari: [57:59] Okay. I think I do know how to spell her name. It's J-U-R-N-E-E-S-M-O-L-L-E-T. Dave: [58:12] Two T's at the end. Kari: [58:14] Two T's. Dave: [58:16] Heartbreaker. All right, Tara. Tara: [58:18] Yep. Dave: [58:19] In eight episodes, I played Sophia Falcone. Tara: [58:22] Kristen Milioti. Dave: [58:24] You are correct. Spell my name for maximum points. Tara: [58:28] C-R-I-S-T-I-N. M-I-L-I-O-T-I. Dave: [58:34] You are correct. Seven points. Sarah: [58:37] Nice. Dave: [58:37] Nicely done. All right, Sarah, are you ready? Sarah: [58:40] I guess. Dave: [58:41] After this, we'll do a score break. In four episodes, I played a character called Gale the Snail. Sarah: [58:49] Oh, yeah, never mind. I don't, I don't, that's not what I was thinking of. Next, please. Dave: [58:53] In 18 episodes, I played a character named Mary Lou Collins. Sarah: [58:59] Next. Dave: [59:00] In 126 episodes, I played a character named Chloe O'Brien. Sarah: [59:07] Oh, right. Okay. It's Mary Lynn. I don't actually know how you pronounce it. Ross Cube. Dave: [59:18] Rice Cub. Sarah: [59:19] You're correct. Rice Cub. Tara: [59:21] Nice. Dave: [59:22] Two points. Spell my name for another three. Sarah: [59:25] Oh, God. Okay. Oh, by the way. Dave: [59:27] That was Gail the Snail from It's Always Sunny. Tara: [59:29] Right. Dave: [59:29] Mary Lou Collins from The Larry Sanders Show. Tara: [59:32] Yes. Dave: [59:33] And Chloe O'Brien from 24. All right. Spell my name. Sarah: [59:35] Mm-hmm. All right, so it's M-A-R-Y hyphen, I think, L-Y-N-N-R-A-J-S-K-U-B. Dave: [59:45] Yes, nicely done. That was a tricky one. Nicely done. Sarah: [59:49] All right. Tara: [59:50] No hyphen, but, you know, I don't think you should dig around that. And you didn't. Kari: [59:54] It kind of sounds like you do think that, Tara. Tara: [59:56] No, I don't. I'm just saying for the record. In case people are doing their own spelling bees at home. Dave: [1:00:03] Time for the scores, please. Tara: [1:00:05] Our scores are as follows. Are we doing equalizer challenge zones this time? Dave: [1:00:11] Yeah. Tara: [1:00:11] Okay. I have 22, Sarah has 10, Carrie has eight. Dave: [1:00:17] All right, so that means that Carrie, you are in the Grossworth Equalizer Challenge Zone. Sarah: [1:00:25] Come on! Dave: [1:00:31] Pick a number between one and seven, please. Kari: [1:00:35] Four. Dave: [1:00:36] Oh, you're in luck. Oh, look at this. Number four. Trivial Pursuit, Totally 80s Edition. Tara: [1:00:42] Hey! Kari: [1:00:43] Oh, yeah. Sarah: [1:00:44] Oh. Dave: [1:00:45] Nice bit of serendipity there. I will read you the TV questions from Trivial Pursuit, Totally 80s Edition. Boy, there's so many points on the table here because there's a maximum of seven points. So I'm just going to do 714. So if you get three of the questions right here, you get seven. If you sweep it, we'll double it to 14. But you have six TV questions coming at you. Here we go. What series cast Christopher Hewitt as a butler two years before he starred in Mr. Belvedere? Kari: [1:01:12] Oh, goodness. Benson. Dave: [1:01:19] Fantasy Island. Kari: [1:01:21] Oh, jeez. Sarah: [1:01:23] Okay. Dave: [1:01:23] What short-lived, much-ridiculed series centered on a criminologist who was sole heir to the secret link that binds man and animal? Kari: [1:01:34] Manimal? Dave: [1:01:35] Manimal, of course. Sarah: [1:01:36] What if it wasn't? Tara: [1:01:38] It's like Remington Steel for some reason. Dave: [1:01:41] What cable channel was launched in 1988, primarily as a showcase for movies from the MGM library? Kari: [1:01:49] Oh, boy. The Turner Classic movies. Dave: [1:01:54] TNT. That was three. You got three more left, so you have to get two of these three. What series aired between The Cosby Show and Cheers in 1987? Did TV Guide call the worst sitcom in recent memory to do so well in the ratings? Kari: [1:02:10] Holy crumbs. Well, it doesn't seem like this should be the answer, but all I can think of is A Different World. Dave: [1:02:17] You are correct. Kari: [1:02:18] Oh, my gosh. People dragging A Different World. Dave: [1:02:21] Two cards, you need one to get seven points. What cover girl was the first host of MTV's House of Style? Kari: [1:02:31] Uh, Cindy Crawford. Dave: [1:02:34] You are correct. Kari: [1:02:35] You got your points. Dave: [1:02:37] Nicely done. Kari: [1:02:38] Thank you. Dave: [1:02:39] All right. So let's get a quick score update, please. Tara: [1:02:42] Okay. Now our scores are Sarah with 10, Carrie with 15, me with 22. Dave: [1:02:50] All right. Everybody has three questions left. So you can add 21 points to your total. If you do really, really, really good. We are back to Carrie. to remind you i'm going to read you the number of episodes i was in and who i played we'll go through three of those and if you still don't know i'll give you the shows we've been talking about all right who am i i was in 17 episodes as myself as host uh alec baldwin i was in 42 episodes as Alcide Herbo. Kari: [1:03:24] Next. Dave: [1:03:25] In 65 episodes, I played Solomon Cortez. God. Kari: [1:03:33] This is lost on me. I'm going to guess Giancarlo Esposito. Dave: [1:03:39] Alright, the shows are Self Host, Deal or No Deal Island. Alcide was in True Blood. Solomon Cortez, American Heiress. Who am I? Kari: [1:03:52] Who is that guy that was married to? I can't even remember her name. Joe Mangianello. Dave: [1:04:02] I'll give you that one. Tell my name. Kari: [1:04:06] J-O-E. Tara: [1:04:07] Good start. Kari: [1:04:10] M-A-N-I-G-E-L-L-O. Dave: [1:04:17] M-A-N-G-A-N-I-E-L-L-O. there. All right, Tara. Tara: [1:04:24] Yep. Dave: [1:04:25] In 40 episodes, I played Peter Bash... Tara: [1:04:31] So it's not Franklin or Bash, but just because I can guess at every level, I'm going to say, oh, no, now I can't remember that nerd's name. Mark Paul Gosselaar, but I was thinking of the other one. Dave: [1:04:41] You're correct. Tara: [1:04:42] What? Dave: [1:04:43] It is Mark Paul Gosselaar. Tara: [1:04:44] There was only 40 episodes of that show? Dave: [1:04:46] That's only, it was in barely. Spell my name. Tara: [1:04:50] M-A-R-K hyphen P-A-U-L G-O-S-S-E-L-A-A-R. Dave: [1:04:58] You are correct again. Tara: [1:04:59] Wrecking Meyers was trying to think of it. Sarah: [1:05:02] Yes. Dave: [1:05:03] All right, Sarah. In six episodes, I played a character named Merit Monaco. Merit Monaco. Sarah: [1:05:14] Great character name, but I don't know. Next. Dave: [1:05:17] In seven episodes, I played Daphne Sullivan. Sarah: [1:05:22] Yep, that doesn't help. Next. Dave: [1:05:24] In 52 episodes, I played Sutton Brady. Who am I? Sarah: [1:05:30] I don't know. Dave: [1:05:32] All right. Sarah: [1:05:33] Tell me. Dave: [1:05:33] The show's Merit in The Perfect Couple, Daphne Sullivan in The White Lotus, Sutton Brady in The Bold Type. Tara: [1:05:43] R.I.P. Sarah: [1:05:44] Yeah. I mean, I feel like Picky is confused about who is supposed to get what questions, but I don't know the answer to this. Dave: [1:05:52] Anybody? Steals? No? Just to know it? Tara: [1:05:56] Megan Fahey. Dave: [1:05:57] Megan Fahey is correct. And now you get to spell it. Megan Fahey. Sarah: [1:06:04] Doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to spell, but famous last words. So let's try slightly off-label, Megan. M-E-G-H-A-N? F-A-H-E-Y? Dave: [1:06:19] M-E-G-H-A-N-N? Tara: [1:06:22] For no reason. Dave: [1:06:23] F-A-H-Y. Tara: [1:06:25] Also for no reason. Sarah: [1:06:26] Why isn't there an E in there? All sorts of zigs and zags. Dave: [1:06:30] All right, Carrie. Kari: [1:06:31] Yes. Dave: [1:06:32] In 76 episodes, I played Kate Hennessy. Kari: [1:06:38] Evangeline Lilly. Dave: [1:06:40] In 92 episodes, I played Gemma Teller Moreau. Kari: [1:06:48] Oh, I'm thinking of Severance. Gemma Teller Monroe. I do not know. Dave: [1:06:56] In 260 episodes, I played Peg Bundy. Kari: [1:07:01] Oh, gosh. Katie Segal. Dave: [1:07:03] You are correct. That is who I am. But spell my name. Kari: [1:07:07] K-A-T-E-Y-S-A-G-A-L. Dave: [1:07:15] You are correct. That is a six-point answer altogether. Tara. Tara: [1:07:22] Nice work. Yes. Dave: [1:07:23] This is question 17. Tara: [1:07:24] Spread Eagle. Sarah: [1:07:25] Spread Eagle. Dave: [1:07:26] In eight episodes, I played myself as host. Tara: [1:07:31] Adam Scott. Dave: [1:07:34] In 17 episodes, I played Sophie. Tara: [1:07:40] Next. Dave: [1:07:41] In 61 episodes, I played Nadia. Oh, Natasha Dimitrio Spell my name N-A-T-A-S-I-A D-E-M-E-T-R-I-O-U You are correct again for an additional three on top of the two That was the big flower fight as a host Sath Letts Flats and what we do in the shadows, Sarity Bunton Yeah six episodes as dean lerner or thornton reed ed begley jr 25 episodes as maurice moss some. Sarah: [1:08:27] People call me maurice i don't know next. Dave: [1:08:28] 32 episodes as tyrannis that's a voice voice work. Sarah: [1:08:36] If I can't a bunk port, Tyrannus is. Still don't know. Dave: [1:08:40] All right. Sarah: [1:08:41] Next. Dave: [1:08:41] Dean Lerner and Thornton Reed were from Garth Marenghi's Darkplace. Maurice Moss from the IT crowd. And Tyrannus from Krapopolis. Who am I? Sarah: [1:08:53] I have absolutely no idea. Hervé Villachez. Dave: [1:08:57] All right. Anybody want to steal? No? Anybody know it? Tara: [1:09:00] Yes. Dave: [1:09:00] Yes. Taryn? Tara: [1:09:01] Richard Ioade. Kari: [1:09:04] Ioade. Dave: [1:09:05] Yes, correct. Correct. That is the answer. All right. Spell my name, Sarah. Spell it. Sarah: [1:09:11] R-I-C-H-A-R-D. Could I get a pronunciation of the last name again, please? Tara: [1:09:20] I believe it's Ioade. Sarah: [1:09:23] Ioade. I-O-A-D-E. Absolutely no idea. Dave: [1:09:30] A-Y-O-A-D-E. All right, this is last question for everybody, so make it count. To Carrie, two episodes, I played Tommy Dixon. Kari: [1:09:44] Timothy Olyphant. Dave: [1:09:46] In 13 episodes, I played Peter Packard or Scientist. Kari: [1:09:53] Next. Dave: [1:09:54] In 22 episodes, I played The Tick. Kari: [1:09:58] Oh, God. i don't know who played the first tick or the other version of the tick so i'll say patrick warburton. Dave: [1:10:09] The shows in question are Tommy Dixon from The Gentleman, Peter Packard or The Scientist from Look Around You, and The Tick from The Tick. Do you know who I am now? Kari: [1:10:21] Is this Peter Sarah Vinowitz? Dave: [1:10:24] That's good enough, but good luck spelling out that pronunciation. Peter Sarah Vinowitz. Spell my name. Tara: [1:10:31] You've probably known a Polish person before. Dave: [1:10:35] P-E-T-E-R. We might just say you're the winner for the whole game. Kari: [1:10:38] Thank you. P-E-T-E-R. I know it starts S-E-R-A. V-O-N-I-W-I-C-Z. Dave: [1:10:52] You're pretty close. Sarah: [1:10:54] I'm so close. Dave: [1:10:56] S-E-R-A-F-I-N-O-W-I-C-Z. Or for you Americans, Z. Sarah: [1:11:04] Wow. Dave: [1:11:06] All right. That was a heartbreaker. You're very close. Tara, ready for your last one? Tara: [1:11:10] Yes. Dave: [1:11:11] In 25 episodes, I played June. Tara: [1:11:16] Next. Dave: [1:11:17] In 75 episodes, I played Dominique Devereaux. Devereaux. Tara: [1:11:24] Michael Michelle. Damn it. Dave: [1:11:27] In 86 episodes, I played Julia Baker. Tara: [1:11:31] Diane Cannon. Dave: [1:11:34] Not quite. Your shows are June, White Collar, Dominique in Dynasty, Julia in Julia. Tara: [1:11:41] Yeah. Dave: [1:11:43] Who am I? Tara: [1:11:47] Uh... Dave: [1:11:57] Daya Han Carroll is who we're looking for. Tara: [1:12:01] Okay. Dave: [1:12:02] Spell my name. Tara: [1:12:03] D-I-A-H-A-N-N-C-A-R-R-O-L-L. Dave: [1:12:10] Yes, that is correct. So you got three points for the spelling. All right, Sarah, are you ready? Last question. Sarah: [1:12:17] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:12:18] In 53 episodes, I played Clark Kent or Superman. Sarah: [1:12:26] Dean Cain. Dave: [1:12:28] In 62 episodes i played martin brewer uh next in 63 episodes i played derrick hale um. Sarah: [1:12:39] I need the last hint please. Dave: [1:12:41] I played kark kark i played clark kent in superman and lois i played martin brewer in seventh heaven i played derrick hale in teen wolf who am i. Sarah: [1:12:58] I wish i knew my friend because i'm about to have to spell your name. Dave: [1:13:02] Last chance to steal you. Kari: [1:13:03] Are a steel meal. Dave: [1:13:04] All right steel meal from carrie good. Kari: [1:13:06] For you is his name tyler hoechlin. Dave: [1:13:10] Look at that hoechlin i believe oh. Sarah: [1:13:12] Yeah that guy. Dave: [1:13:13] Spell my name t-y-l-e-r-h-o-e-c, H-I... Kari: [1:13:26] Wait, no, no. H-L-I-N. Dave: [1:13:29] Yes, you are correct. Sarah: [1:13:31] Nicely done. Good steal. Dave: [1:13:33] That was a four-point steal. Right at the end. Kari: [1:13:35] I don't know if that was even worth it. Dave: [1:13:36] And that is regulation. It's always worth it to get extra points. Show people love. Kari: [1:13:40] Okay. Dave: [1:13:40] All right. Let's get the end of regulation scores, please. Tara: [1:13:43] Okay. Sarah finished with 10. Carrie had 26. I had 35. Dave: [1:13:50] All right. So it sounds like Tara wins. Let's do the tiebreaker because it's kind of fun. Kari: [1:13:54] Oh, boy. Dave: [1:13:55] It's a team effort, kind of. We're going to go down the line, spelling the following name one letter at a time. So we start with Carrie and then Tara, then Sarah. See if we can get through a name that's already been thrown out during game time, but not as an answer. But somebody said it. We're going to try to spell Hervé Villachez. Kari: [1:14:15] Oh, my God. Sarah: [1:14:16] One letter at a time. Tara: [1:14:17] Okay. Dave: [1:14:17] Starting with Carrie. Carrie, first letter in Hervé Villachez. Kari: [1:14:23] H. Dave: [1:14:26] Tara. Tara: [1:14:27] E. Dave: [1:14:29] Sarah. Sarah: [1:14:30] R. Dave: [1:14:32] Back to Carrie. Kari: [1:14:34] V. Dave: [1:14:36] To Tara. Tara: [1:14:37] E. Dave: [1:14:38] Need more information. Tara: [1:14:39] Accent a goo. Dave: [1:14:40] Yes. Kari: [1:14:41] Nice. Dave: [1:14:42] All right. Sarah: [1:14:42] Sarah. Z. Dave: [1:14:45] Carrie. Kari: [1:14:46] I. Dave: [1:14:47] Tara. Tara: [1:14:48] L. Dave: [1:14:50] Sarah. Sarah: [1:14:51] L. Dave: [1:14:54] Back to Carrie. Kari: [1:14:55] E. Tara: [1:14:57] C. Dave: [1:15:00] Sarah. Sarah: [1:15:01] H. Dave: [1:15:03] Almost at the end, guys. Carrie. Kari: [1:15:04] E. Dave: [1:15:07] Okay, continue to, so Tara. Tara: [1:15:10] A. Dave: [1:15:11] A is what we were looking for. All right, Sarah. Sarah: [1:15:16] I. Dave: [1:15:17] Tara. Tara: [1:15:18] Zed or Z. Kari: [1:15:21] Last letter. Sarah: [1:15:22] E. Dave: [1:15:23] All right, very well. I'll give you both one to steal a move for a few to use and a couple of date points for being such good sports for spelling all the spells. All right, so that is it. Congratulations, Tara. Kari: [1:15:36] That's how you're showing. Tara! Tara. Tara. Sarah: [1:15:43] Good job. Dave: [1:15:44] And that is it for another episode of Extra Hot Great. They took suits, took a lot of cilantro and toy dogs, stuck them on, called it Sooth's Law, and we watched it. Before going around the dial with stops at the Baldwins, ladies and gentlemen, 50 years of SNL music, Dear Child, America Undercover, and AKB. Carrie very much got her show, Kroll Show, into the canon. We crowned winners and losers of the week, and Tara was the winner of this week's Game Time from Matt. Next up on Extra Extra Hot Great, it's Beyond the Gates. Remember! We're listening. I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tara Ariano. Tara: [1:16:30] Glug away, my lady. Dave: [1:16:32] Sarity, buddy. Sarah: [1:16:34] Finally, the hero arrives. Dave: [1:16:36] And Carrie Race. Kari: [1:16:37] I am, in fact, computers. Dave: [1:16:40] Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time right here on Extra Talk Great. Clip: [1:16:52] You got my info. Yeah. 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