Peering Beyond The Gates

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And thank all of you for your time and for listening to this. And now I'm going to kick it over to Tara for some fun. Tara: [4:20] Thank you, Sarah. Thank you, Anonymous. Now to our lead topic. We're talking about Beyond the Gates. The elegant D.C. suburb of Fairmont was established by the Dupree family, the most accomplished members of which are still pillars of the community. Vernon, Clifton Davis, is a civil rights activist and retired senator. His wife, Anita, Tamara Tooney, is an EGOT. One daughter, Nicole Daphne Duple, is a doctor. The other, Dani, Carla Mosley, is a former model who now manages the career of her daughter, Chelsea, Ronnie Rose Mantilla. But all is not well in the family. Dani's marriage to her lawyer husband, Bill, Tymon Kyle Durrett, ended as a consequence of his infidelity, and now he's marrying his former mistress, Haley, Marquita Goings, at the Dupree's Country Club. And Bill and Haley just bought a mansion in town. Dani's going to have to see Haley all the time. Tara: [5:19] This is the first new daytime soap opera to premiere on an american broadcast network since passions that was in 1999 it is also the first to feature a mostly black cast since generations which aired on nbc from 1989 to 1991 that happens to have been the first soap screenwriting job for michelle valjean who created beyond the gates after stints on the bold and the beautiful santa Barbara and General Hospital. Beyond the Gates premiered on CBS February 24th, and it will air every damn day because that's how daytime soap operas work. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch Beyond the Gates? Sarah: [5:58] If you're a daytime person and you've missed the rhythms and terrible flat lighting of that, which I didn't realize I had until I watched this. Tara: [6:07] Yep. Sarah: [6:08] Yes, you should. Tara: [6:09] I mean, we're going to get into that. But Dave, what are your thoughts on Chen Check-in wise? Dave: [6:14] Yeah, there's a certain, I don't know, like circadian rhythm to it or something that has a particular effect on you that is not unpleasing. Tara: [6:22] Yeah. Dave: [6:22] I mean, I would never watch this show like continuously, but like it was pretty fun to watch the pilot, the one episode of it. So I think if you have soap opera DNA in you that you should give this a shot. Tara: [6:36] Yeah, I agree. Let's let's drill down because the rhythms are that that's the first note that I made. I had forgotten because it's been so long since I watched soaps. I used to I dipped in and out of days when I was in college. Before that, Another World was like my family's show on NBC. So I watched a lot of that especially in the summer times and Santa Barbara ditto you of course also are a soap person you watch General Hospital I believe religiously at least in the Jack Wagner years quite so yes but I imagine that you haven't watched it lately we'll get into it but I yeah I did forget that the structure is so weird the pacing is so unique it really is like watching a bad play where nothing happens really. But I did have that feeling of I could just let this keep washing over me, especially since when we loaded it up, there were already a few on Paramount Plus. And I was like, do I want to keep watching this? I don't know. We'll talk about the rhythms because that was something that really struck me too. Sarah: [7:34] I added it to my list. I don't know how long I'll keep up with it, but I mean, there's something to like keep up with because they reset you in every scene. I mean, especially because it's new. They're doing that. But the first notes I made too were like, I forgot this. Well, like just frustrating enough. It's like, you know, a tomato seed has lodged itself in a back molar and you're like, oh God, this is the worst thing that ever happened. but then you dislodge it and it's totally satisfying. And it was kind of the same. The lighting is terrible. Nobody dresses in LeMay for a breakfast meeting. Sarah: [8:13] Everyone is being a bitch about it. And another thing that I loved, and I'm not sure if this was intentional, but it kind of feels like it might have been, Carla Mosley, who plays Danny of the two-mug rage that Dave referred to, is from hair to set jaw rage to just everything about it is serving Celeste Talbert from Soap Dish in, and that is a compliment. And I just thought, is there a place for this kind of throwback for me feeling of rushing out of carpool before the car even stopped on Friday afternoon to see what was going on in GH of going to my grandma's for a couple of weeks every summer and having to kind of like your orbits of different soap operas were like pulling on each other. Like, you know, that was a day's household. But her friend, Mrs. Hammett, who lived next door, that was an ABC Soaps household. So I would like watch days, have a snack and literally go through the hedge to Mrs. Hammett's house for Iced D in General Hospital. Sarah: [9:20] It was the fucking best. All of these people are gone. But that feeling of just like sitting and sharing this communal, quote, enjoyment of a story told extremely slowly and kind of badly. I don't know. There's something to it. I felt soothed. So I'm going to, I'm going to see if I stick with it. Dave: [9:40] I like the dialogue in the pilot because there's so many shoehorned in full names being read. Oh, like Dirk Hunkley. I can't believe we're here in our own house having breakfast before I have to go to the hospital for my new job at hospital name here. And it's like, wow. And it's like that all the time. And after, like the first time you're like, oh, Jesus Christ. And the second time you're like, okay. The third time you're like, more please. Everybody talks like this all the time. I don't know why. It's working on me. It's doing something in my brain chemistry. I now enjoy it. Tara: [10:15] Yeah. Sarah: [10:16] And then Tamara Tooney calls somebody a jive turkey. Tara: [10:19] I know. And I was like. Sarah: [10:21] Okay, I don't know what's happening, but I like it. Tara: [10:24] Yeah. Sarah: [10:25] More please. Dave: [10:25] Dani was also my favorite. I thought she was also giving Terry Hatcher vibes as well. She's got a very Terry Hatcher face, strong jaw and everything. So, yeah, she was definitely a joy. And she is the aggrieved party in the central affair that we learn about in the pilot. She just, like, is constantly, even with talking to her daughter, she's, like, at 13 or 14 all the time. Tara: [10:52] Yes. Dave: [10:52] Like, the scene where she's introduced to us, she's in her kitchen, which, by the way, has zero personality or, like, stuff in it. I guess it's, you know, been denuded due to the divorce. including a HDTV mount over the grill. I didn't understand what that was. Do people do that? Tara: [11:13] No, that's a pot filler. It's a water, it's a water tab. Dave: [11:16] Oh, is that what that was? But it was on a, like a, oh, okay. Tara: [11:18] You pull it out. It's like telescoping, right? Or not telescoping, but it's like, you know. Dave: [11:22] Hinged. Tara: [11:23] Yeah, hinged, exactly. Dave: [11:24] Okay, I've never seen anything like that. All right. Tara: [11:26] Yeah. Dave: [11:26] Well, I'm just, I'm just. We're not fancy. Okay, anyways, so she's in this kitchen and she's angry because, you know, the world is unfair and Bill's leaving and she grabs a mug and looks at it and throws it across the room and smashes it. And then she's like, and then like, it was like 10 seconds of nothing. And then she picks up another one, throws it. It's like, what was it enough for beyond the gates? We're at two mug show. I think this kind of like that mission statement, that mug shin statement right at the start of the show. And that character just is like that all the time, including when she's talking to her daughter, who's like, you know, an influencer, because of course that is the storyline for any young person on the show. They have to be like an Instagram, TikTok influencer. And she is like at 11 or 12 with her too. And it's just like, remember your appointment. I was just like, I don't know. It kind of worked for me. I need to keep watching this. Problem is, there's too much of it. Tara: [12:25] Well, I mean, every episode is under 40 minutes without commercials. Dave: [12:29] Yeah, I know. But that's like every day. Sarah: [12:31] They are selling a lot of fucking soap at an hour long on CBS. Dave: [12:34] Let me ask you this about soaps. Is it like the crossword puzzle? It gets more and more intense as the week goes along and then friday's the big show or is it sort of like every show is like this. Tara: [12:44] That's a good question but i think if you just watched on fridays you would get the gist because it's sort of like that's what they're sending you off with but i don't know if they're necessarily intentionally structured that way especially now in the streaming era where they probably just assume everyone who's interested is going to watch every episode right. Sarah: [13:02] I i feel like gh was like that cliffhanger at 352 on friday and then monday you would see what was up with that sometimes like frisco jones breaking out of a bulgarian jail while wearing every fake beard from the americans at once. Tara: [13:23] Yep frisco. Dave: [13:24] Joe sounds like the chinatown archaeologist series that it's not quite Indiana Jones. It's Frisco. Tara: [13:30] Careful, because that's Sarah's guy. That's Jack Wagner's character. Sarah: [13:34] Pride of the WSB, Frisco Jones. Dave: [13:36] Okay, sorry. Proceed. Sarah: [13:38] I mean, the plots that I could call up without even thinking twice. Do I remember who Milo Fantomigli is? No. Do I remember that he was in Bulgaria on General Hospital? Yes, I do. But I mean, this is who it was originally pitched for, this kind of thing. It's like, Like stay at home moms who are doing whatever chores, getting ready for dinner, dandling a baby. They don't have full attention to pay. Tara: [14:06] They can't pause it. Yeah. Sarah: [14:08] Yeah. Bold and the Beautiful was our college jam, and I'm pretty sure certain plots that started in 1993 are still playing out, even though the original actors died, were replaced. Those actors died. I mean, this is what it's for, is to just be atmospheric. And then occasionally you look at the screen and you're like, that is the most pristine nurse's station in the world. Nothing on it, not even a pen. Tara: [14:37] Yes. Sarah: [14:37] Wild. Tara: [14:38] Right. I know this isn't a real hospital because there isn't a hastily printed out thing taped to a wall telling me something really important. Yeah. Sarah: [14:48] Yeah. Tara: [14:48] As I said, this is the first daytime soap with a primarily Black cast in literal decades. And I appreciate that building the community is a major part of the story. Like in the first episode, we get several references to the elder Dupree's activism like they met at a march on Washington in the 70s. We hear the grandsons in politics, too. there's a moment where Vernon and the grandson are out for, they're at a diner and like just a random woman comes up and says how important Vernon has been to her. And it's like, this is interesting. Like they could, there's a way they could have done this where it's just like, well, they're all black, but we're going to be all, I don't see race about it. And it's an intrinsic part of the story that I thought was really interesting and I was not expecting it. Sarah: [15:28] Yeah. I mean, the only problem I have with that plot line is that that particular actor is an absolute log even for daytime like michael michelle on er levels of stiff so. Tara: [15:44] Wait vernon or the grandson oh. Sarah: [15:46] No the grandson vernon is. Tara: [15:47] Fine yeah yeah okay agree yeah i also went in the credits could not help noticing how many of the actors in this show have soap opera character names i'm just gonna give you a few because they're amazing daphne duple i already mentioned And also Time and Kyle Durrett and Ronnie Rose Mantilla. But there's also Colby Muhammad, Ariel Prepity, Jibre Hordges, the R in the middle of the last name for no reason. It's not Hodges. It's Hordges. And Destiny Love, who missed her calling as a pop star, I think. But yeah, incredible. Truly amazing. Sarah: [16:24] And the aforementioned Brandon Claiborne. Yeah. Of the Kennebunk Paul Claiborne. It's like, I mean, perfect. Strap Worth Billion vibes for days. The producers are obviously steeped deeply in soaps and how they are supposed to look, feel, and do. Just be around you and you appreciate the craft, even though when you actually look at it, you're like, good and bad don't really have meaning in this conversation, but it's pitch perfect despite that. Tara: [16:58] Yeah. You were very into Karen Hooger, who is like basically a featured extra in the first episode, just pulling the faces to end all faces. So I hated to have to tell you She just was sentenced to serve a year for four DUIs. She is a real housewife of Potomac. But she. Dave: [17:17] She looked like she drove there drunk. That was the person at the end, right? Tara: [17:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave: [17:22] Yeah. Yeah, a little cameo from what? Real housewives of something? Tara: [17:26] Potomac, yeah. Dave: [17:27] Potomac, yeah. Sarah: [17:28] She absolutely was actually talking to her scene partner instead of just like peas and carrots like she was supposed to be. And I think may not have known that it was a script. But that's the vibe you want. Tara: [17:40] Agree. And according to IMDb, other famous guest stars who are not playing themselves include Abby Lee Miller from Dance Bombs and Michelle Visage is going to be in this as someone named Maya. And they have established that there's stuff to do with the music industry here, not just because Anita was a singer, but Bill is some kind of entertainment lawyer, I guess, as well. So that gives them a lot of opportunities to bring in people from that world, which is fun. Final question, and we certainly already talked about him, that Michelle Valjean worked on Santa Barbara and General Hospital probably means she knows Jack Wagner. Sarah, are you starting a letter writing campaign today to get him onto Beyond the Gates? Sarah: [18:26] Ah, well, now that you mention it, yes. So let's wrap this up because I got printing to do. Dave: [18:39] You know what else you have to do is listen to this theme, the theme to a little segment we call Ask EHD, Taking the World by Storm. All right, I pressed the wrong button, so we're going to fade this out now. There we go, live podcasting for you. All right, it is Ask EHG. We're going to deal with last week's Ask, Ask EHG, where you answer our question. Tara is our judge. Tara: [19:19] Yes, our question came from Melissa, who wrote, As a kid, my first real TV obsession was ER, and specifically Noah Wiley. With The Pit featuring Wiley as a writer and actor, I feel like six-year-old me clearly had great taste. What early TV obsession are you the most proud of today? Some runners-up. Dan Casino wrote, as a kid, definitely too young to be watching it. I was very into our local PBS channel's Saturday Night British TV block, which had Monty Python and Doctor Who. But when they ran out of Who episodes because the show got canceled and before going back to show earlier ones in sequence, they started showing apparently out of order. Episodes of a different budge British sci-fi show that I became low-key obsessed with, despite not being able to adequately explain or describe it to friends or the adults who thought I was having a fever dream inspired by Are You Being Served? Gorgeous reference. Long before the internet, of course, so I pretty much forgot all about it until years later when The Simpsons referenced it and all my memories of The Prisoner flooded back. Great one. Love the suspense. Amazing. Sarah: [20:25] I thought it was going to a Tomorrow People place. Interesting. Tara: [20:30] Monty writes, I would sneak down to the television in the middle of the night to watch Monty Python's Flying Circus on PBS. It was followed by Blake's Seven, so I would promptly sneak back to my bed. Blake's Seven, Catch and Strays. Julie writes, my brother and I watched Soap when we were nine or ten, same. Our parents did not pay attention to our watching habits, also same, but our horrified neighbors were very judgy about it. And Aw Nuts is our winner with this. I am proud that as a three and four year old, my obsession was with Pee Wee's Playhouse, or as I now think of it, John Waters for preschoolers. Yeah. I feel like it really fostered a love of observant comedy that has an edge but isn't mean as a bonus. And this is why you joined the Discord to see this. Awe Nuts includes a very 1980s picture of baby Awe Nuts watching her favorite show. And yeah, those are bunny earmuffs. I am wearing them inside because they are fucking rad, obviously. I have no quibbles with any of this other than the pedantic. There is a correct form for Pee Wee's Playhouse. It is capital P, lowercase w with a hyphen in between. This is one to grow on for everybody. But other than that, perfect answer and a truly incredible taste for a three or four year old. So great job. on Nuts. DM Dave in the Discord to get your stickers. New ones are on route and I'm very excited. Dave: [21:56] Yes. And just to save you some back and forth, what you're DMing me is your mailing address I can send your stuff to. So that's what I need from you. All right. Let's get to your questions for us this week. First one comes from Squid Eye. They ask, The Bear, but it's set in the 1970s and every dish they prepare is something out of the 70s dinner party oeuvre. What dishes do you want to see carmy, acidity, obsess, and or fight over. Tara? Tara: [22:22] They're going to be serving wedge salad with Thousand Island dressing. Dave: [22:25] Wedge salad. Lazy fuckers. Tara: [22:28] They are going to be serving a liver beehive, which is a real thing I found when I googled this topic. Look it up. It was horrifying. Dave: [22:38] It feels like you needed a lot of liver to make a beehive. Tara: [22:41] Like too much. Perhaps. I mean, a beehive could be any size, really. Dave: [22:45] I guess, but you want one that you could picture of B going into. Tara: [22:49] Perhaps. Dave: [22:50] I know I do. Tara: [22:52] Finally. Finally. Chocolate fondue, of course. And the fights are going to be over what you provide to be dipped in said chocolate fondue. Sidebar, let's make a chocolate fondue this weekend. Chocolate fondue is rad. Dave: [23:06] No, thank you. Tara: [23:07] Sarah. Sarah: [23:08] I also had fondue on my list, but mine was served, it was pimento cheese fondue served in a hollowed out pineapple because the 70s were all about not really understanding Polynesian flavors and everyone had to suffer. I also had mini quiche Lorraine's and, of course, as befitting my brand, fish cakes with hollandaise sauce on a bed of tough asparagus that has been sitting out just long enough that there's a little skin on the hollandaise. Because the 70s didn't understand a lot of things about appealing food prep. Tara: [23:44] Dave? Dave: [23:45] Well, I went slightly askew with our cast and I'm going to deal with Marcus. And Marcus is doing his obsessive dessert thing, but he's trying to figure out different and better and more fantastic ways to get the fruit inside of jello molds, including trying to guide him in with sticks after the fact. Really re-examining the dish. So that's his deal. Dr. Calhoun, which TV therapist would you choose to see? I feel like this was one of our very first Ask EASG questions, but I was too lazy to go back and look, so we're going to answer it again. Sarah. Sarah: [24:16] As tempting as it is to visit Tom Frost from Dawson's Creek, I think I would actually get more therapeutic benefit from Dr. Nevin Bell. That is Monk's second therapist on Monk, played by Hector Elizondo. Dave. Dave: [24:30] I think I would need to go to a group environment and something a little, I'm not going to say fun, but not super serious looking. So I'm going to go with Dr. Bob Hartley from. Holy shit. What? Get to the basement, kids. Tara: [24:46] Bob Newhart's here. I'm going with Andrea from Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, played by Tina Fey, because she is insightful and a good therapist. But in her personal life, she is also a mess. And that sometimes happens in sessions. So I'd enjoy gossiping about her with my friends after she was done helping me. Dave: [25:09] Rinzi is next. What's the best or most memorable fart on TV? That is Stimpy's first fart from the Ren and Stimpy show. The detail, of course, you miss is when the fart is actually made. It leaves like an Acme Roadrunner cartoon explosion skid bark behind him. Like a little, you can see it. So I'm going to go with Ren and Stimpy for that one. Tara? Tara: [26:36] It's kind of a pedestrian choice, but it was the first and I think best one that came to mind. And it was, of course, Jerry's fart attack on Parks and Recreation, where he started having a heart attack and then can't stop farting. It's still the most Jerry thing that he could possibly do. But I've watched all of season four of The Righteous Gemstones. I'm going to say I can't say anything else, but there's one coming up that might unseat it for me. Sarah. Sarah: [27:00] I'm glad that I'm going last on this one, and you'll see why in a moment. Oh, dude. Dave: [27:08] Meeting's over. Jesus. Could you say. Sarah: [27:13] It better myself soprano siblings. Dave: [27:17] The little little thing at the end the little extra note right at the end l triple b asks what's your favorite fake product or company from tv. Tara: [27:27] It's vandelay industries i feel like that's that's the best and only answer dave all right you wiggins i want a place in this car to put my drink Sir, the car has a beverage holder. Hello! Hello, Einstein! I set a place to put my drink! You know those super slakers they sell in the Quickie Mart? The cup is this big! Extremely large beverage holder. I'm not done yet! You know that little ball you put on the aerial so you can find your car in the parking lot? That should be on every car! Little ball. And some things are so snazzy they never go out of style. Like tail fins and bubble domes and Jack Carpity. Dave: [28:36] Company for years to come. Oh, yes. And his personal hygiene is above reproach. Above reproach. That is one that is in my lexicon for years and years. So my choice is the Homer, the car from The Simpsons. Sarah? Sarah: [28:53] Speaking of Acme, I'm going to choose that. This isn't really why, but it is or was a real grocery chain. In Jersey and eastern Pennsylvania back in the day, it was my grandmother's favorite supermarket. And when I was very little, it did make me laugh that Wile E. Coyote ordered all of his failing gizmos from there. So I several times suggested to grandma, like, maybe go with ShopRite, because Agni doesn't seem like it's that great. Dave: [29:23] Did your grandmother have a very long nose and big ears? Was she always chasing a roadrunner around? Okay. Sarah: [29:30] Yeah. Dave: [29:31] Betsy has her next question. I will answer it. How long did Mark 1 of the podcast run? I had to look it up. It was 91 episodes, and it ran from, oh my God, December 2010 to July 2012. Tara: [29:46] I think it was earlier than that because our first episode was about the social network. Dave: [29:50] Well, I might have. That was by file. Tara: [29:52] Right. Dave: [29:53] File name. So maybe I did something in December. But anyways, so around there. About a year and a half, I guess. Eric, how many grandpas are left? So I did it by percentage last time. So I can report that we went from 11.4 about six months ago to 9.4. So we're going down 2% in six months. So in another three years, we'll be done with it. Tara: [30:16] Welcome, ex-grandpas. Dave: [30:18] All right. Let's get back to questions for everybody. Pizza Carrie, tell us about your favorite coffee, tea, mug, or other drinking vessel. So you got to drink. It's in some sort of thing. And that's where you drink it from, Sarah. That's what we're talking about. What do you got for her? Sarah: [30:33] Got it. That is the tinted milk glass coffee mugs that our friends got us for solstice last year. They are sturdy, but they're not too blocky. Perfect amount of heat, containment, and transfer. Good ratio there. And most importantly to this correspondent, a nice roomy handle so I don't have to use a Brandon Walsh grip on my coffee mug. Dave: [30:56] Are your friends druids? Sarah: [30:59] Yeah, I guess. Dave: [31:00] Okay. A lot of salsas gift giving in that circle? Okay. Sarah: [31:05] Yeah. Just they're anti-capitalist, druid adjacent artists. Dave: [31:12] Tara? Tara: [31:13] My favorite mug that I've ever bought is one from Anthropologie. It is a little small, which I think is why it doesn't get a lot of play, but it has a little cartoony crab on it and over it in sort of arched lettering, it says, behold, I got for Dave. Oh, it's so cute. That is not my actual answer. I don't drink hot beverages that much. I'm not. So I'm rarely using mugs. But when I do have hot chocolate, it is in my Bernie at Biden's inauguration mug from Jewish Currents magazine with the crossed arms and the mask and the mittens. You know the one. It's that. Dave. Dave: [31:49] All right. So I have no strong feelings about coffee mugs, but I was thinking today that I really should invest in a second insulated mugs. I have one and I also last year got a one touch whole bean two cup espresso machine and it's good but the water isn't quite as hot as something you would get say like at your coffee shop. So from the get-go it's not scolding hot it's just sort of like perfect temperature for constant sipping hot which is not ideally at the start of your coffee life. Like a coffee should start where you're like you can only have a little bit and only like three to four to five minutes later is it at that temperature where you can be like so that's the difference between my coffee and their coffee so five minutes after i get my coffee is sort of like too a little too cool for me unless i put an insulated mug so that's my coffee story i hope you enjoyed it. Tara: [32:41] Treat yourself to a new insulated mug. Dave: [32:43] Yeah i think i need one that's just like like smaller though i want to get one that's mug size. I don't know if they deal with those. I'm sure they do. Tara: [32:49] I'm sure they do. Sarah: [32:49] No, they do. Dave: [32:50] Alright, let's get to a question for you guys to answer. It comes from Jovial Gent. It is our Ask Ask ESG question. Which TV couple who started as friends before, That's the best TV fart. That one right there. Tara: [33:04] Mm-hmm. Dave: [33:05] Which TV couple who started as friends before becoming romantic partners worked better as just friends? So you're like, oh, yeah, you know what I think of your romantic relationship? Who's that for you? All right. Go to our Discord. Go to the Ask Ask EHG channel and put your answer there. Oh, yeah. And by the way, while we're talking about Discord, I'm starting a low stakes just for fun trivia league called Dave's Office Game Time because I have all these games in my office now. So I've been sneaking cards out of a few and then putting them as the questions of the day and keeping score. And we've got today, which is Thursday as we record this. And tomorrow is our last day of February. And then after that, we're going to start a season one league for the month of March. So if that is interest to you, we're not going to do it on the weekends, just on weekdays. So the first weekday in March, get ready. We're going to start again. And I will give out a prize to whoever wins. We'll see what that is at the end of March. It's going to be very underwhelming. Tara: [34:12] Is it going to be a game from your office? Dave: [34:13] No, it's not. It cuts too much to Dave: [34:15] shit. It is time for the Tiny Cannon presenting this week. It is David T. Cole. I am presenting a tiny canon moment from 911 Lone Star. It is from Season 5, Episode 2, Trainwrecks. In particular, we're talking about Marcy's mouth. I want you to pause the show in a second and then go check the show notes for a picture of Marcy. It is ridiculous. All right. And why is it ridiculous? Because this is happening. Okay. 911, what's your emergency? I'm sorry? Tara: [35:07] It's pretty bad. Marcy! Okay, TK, take your vitals. Copy. I'm Tommy, and we're going to take a good look at you, all right? How are you feeling? Dave: [35:28] All right, so she stuck a harmonica in her mouth for the sticking in your mouth challenge. And the prosthetic makeup effect job they did is just ridiculous. Tara: [35:39] It's so bad. Dave: [35:40] It looks like a cartoon. Sarah: [35:42] Oh my God. Tara: [35:42] It does. She looks like she's from Dick Tracy. like she's it's that caliber of makeup. Dave: [35:47] And added to the whole effect is the first pose we see her in and i think this was probably done purposefully is the first pose we see golem in as lord of the rings that's a picture i'm going to put in for your reference because it also shows her monica so check that picture out but she's like you know sort of squatting her she's all like you know crunched up and is giving a lot of Gollum vibes. So why exactly is this a tiny musical moments canon, which is what we're gonna be doing this for? Well, because of course, it is somebody who can only speak in harmonica, which by the way, About 10 seconds after the clip you heard, you know, she's explaining whatever about her trials of the day and her friends translated it. So after about, you know, three or four minutes of this ordeal, her friend now speaks harmonica in mouth, which is pretty impressive. So it's another little addition. And then for Tara, we also have some pinko shit about they can't go to the hospital because they don't have health insurance. So a little bonus for Tara there. Tara: [36:51] Thank you. Dave: [36:52] Not a lot more to it. is just a person with a really terrible makeup job with a harmonica in her mouth with the subtitles during the, you know, the 911 call where they have that is B-H-A-B-H-A is the actual letters. B-E-E-H-A-A is the subtitles. Tara: [37:13] I think the second one, I think it actually is B-H-A-B-W-E-H-A. Dave: [37:18] Yeah, B-H-A-B-W-E-H-A. B-W-E-E-E for the second one to mix it up. So a person with her harmonica in her mouth, an absolutely terrible prosthetics job. But just Marcy is sort of like also perfectly cast. Like she looks like she's the nerd from high school that would have really shitty, embarrassing things happen to her all the time. So it's sort of an incredible 911 Lone Star package. Tara: [37:42] Yeah. Dave: [37:43] A very stupid, dumb show doing very stupid, dumb things. And the fact that they really couldn't pull it off makes it all the better. Tara: [37:50] Yeah, she's very Velma-coated. You're right. Thank you, Dave. I obviously have a million opinions about this, so I should go last. Sarah, what are your thoughts? Sarah: [37:58] I was struck by watching this for the first time. The pose is also like from over her shoulder, the camera sort of pushes in and you can see from behind her, like she is posed like Gollum, but also like the elephant man when Anne Bancroft's character first comes to see him in the movie. Just this like, you know, don't look at me. I'm not for human eyes pose. but then extending out past her jawline is the, are the ends of the rectangular harmonica and then just this like i don't even know like whatever mark's brother was the one that like only spoke in squeeze box like this is just so corny it the makeup is badly done it's such a sort of like vaudeville mid-century joke and it's perfect like girls who give a folk like what um should happen to someone with that um group name this and it did so in addition to it being a musical moment it's a um tiny justice being served to annoying tv weirdos canon yeah this was i mean delightful is not quite the right word but But Bui-ha alone is really enough to get my vote. Over to you, Tara. Tara: [39:21] Yeah, when we were watching this episode, and I have to say, I'm going to give some negative feedback to whoever put this up on YouTube. Because it's so much funnier when you don't know this face is coming. And it's in the thumbnail for the video. And that's a pity. Because we went into this episode completely cold. and when he just gets her turning around it is so shocking and hilarious to see this poor woman and i mean she's she's. Dave: [39:49] Like a cartoon chipmunk right you know. Tara: [39:51] Like she's got so many things. Dave: [39:52] In her cheeks like it's that expanded. Tara: [39:55] Yes but other than the the wheezing harmonica that is how she's communicating she she has to do a lot of physical work as well and like when tommy tells her that her cheek Her cheek tissue is already stretching from this harmonica. She does this sad little droop. She's like a silent film star. She's so funny. And I mean, on top of they're doing this nonsense for social media, justice is being served, etc. They also have to include, let this be a lesson to your followers, all eight of them. So they're not even good at social media. They've done this for truly no reason. I mean, the overall reason is that Tommy has her own TikTok dance issue, which, you know, that comes through as the scene goes on. And that's like part of the frame story. But yes, that's that's amazing. And I'm also quite sure, as Dave said, you know, they can't go to the hospital. They can't afford anything. I'm sure an EMT doesn't care if you have insurance. They're like, I'm not going to try to do surgery on your face out at this this outdoor place. Dave: [40:59] And the solution is to just cover her in petroleum jelly. Tara: [41:02] And yank it. Dave: [41:03] Which is really gross. Sarah: [41:04] Yeah. Well, also, if Gina Torres showed up and saw me like that, I'd be like, you know what? Turn around. Go back. Just let me die. Who cares? Dave: [41:12] I was going to say, if Gina Torres showed up and wanted to put her hands in my mouth, I'd be like, all right. Sarah: [41:18] I mean, that too. Tara: [41:19] She is a day of faith. Sarah: [41:20] But truly and jelly are not. Tara: [41:21] Mm-hmm. Dave: [41:22] All right. Let's put this in the official vote. Sarah D. Bunting, what say you? Sarah: [41:26] Wee-haw. That's yes. Dave: [41:28] Tara. Tara: [41:29] Well, I can't top that, so I'll just say yay. Dave: [41:32] All right. So, Marcy's Mouth from 911 Lone Star, you hereby inducted into the Extra Hot Great Tiny Musical Moments canon. Dave: [41:44] Americans love a winner. Yep. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. It is time to discover who is the not-quite-winner and not-quite-loser of the week. I will go first. Our first not-quite-winner is Mindy Kaling, getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. And I just want to say, like, this is all a boondoggle, the Hollywood Walk of Fame. You don't pay it directly, but you have to pay for your star, like, through an intermediary, kind of. Like, the process, as I understand it, is someone has to nominate you to the Hollywood Walk of Fame Board of Shadowy Figures. Like, your production company is fine, like, that kind of thing. Tara: [42:22] Sure. Dave: [42:22] As long as it's not you yourself, you know, it could be, you know, So kindy mailing is fine. And then you have to pay $75,000 is what you have to pay. Tara: [42:32] Oh, wow. Dave: [42:33] And I think there's also yearly maintenance or maybe that covers yearly maintenance because, you know, they got to scrub it down once in a while. People people shit on it and stuff. So she's getting it, but also she paid for it. So like the whole Hollywood Walk of Fame thing is obviously just for tourists and it's dumb and it's an ego trip for the people that get the stars. But like, it's important to know that it's basically them saying, I want it. So, you know, Mindy Kaling, winner, question mark. Tara: [43:02] Fair. Dave: [43:02] Not quite loser of the week i'm gonna go with 1980 shogun director jerry london who is declaring unquestionable evidence that the 2024 series is not entertaining for american audiences because it focused too much on history and things that happened rather than just the romance between the two leads like dude it's been 45 years 44 years like we can just accept that tv has changed and we want different things out of a miniseries and we want it back then. And that just the culture is much different and just production is much different. And that your show did very well for its time, but it is nothing compared to like what we have right now. But he just sounds like he is like, mine's the best and the only, and you can't have your new Shogun because my Shogun was the better one. He sounds like a real crank. Tara: [43:59] Yeah. Yeah, his Shogun where all of the Japanese dialogue was not subtitled. Dave: [44:03] Yeah. Tara: [44:04] Crazy choice. Dave: [44:05] Yeah, it was basically the penis teachers in Japan. Sarah: [44:10] Well, and given the disparity between the two, like, I don't feel prior to his making these comments, like, the 1980 version was, like, getting, nobody was really talking shit about it. Tara: [44:24] Right. Sarah: [44:25] Because everyone was saying what Dave just said, basically, which was like, it was 1980. We thought different things were interesting and sexy. And also we had zero choices. So everybody watched it. Tara: [44:38] That's the thing, too. Like, there was not, we're not in the monoculture era anymore, where you don't have to make a miniseries about feudal Japan that also has to attract the same audience that most of the time wants to watch Battle of the Network Stars. Like, they're different lanes and they're done differently. Dave: [44:53] Yeah, but also, like, the amount of credit he's not giving anybody who watches TV here, which is, like, it had to focus on the romance. Otherwise, nobody would understand it. Like, he basically said he watched, like, I think it's disingenuous, but he said he tried to watch the 2024 Shogun and didn't understand it. Like, maybe you're just dumb if that's really the case. Tara: [45:16] Truly. Dave: [45:17] It's not hard to understand. It's just more complex than what has been previously put on the screen. for the story. Sarah: [45:24] And it's not trying to be for 60 million people because that's not the landscape. Like, this is what strikes me about this is that it's just like a self-inflicted injury. Like, actually, nobody was asking you to defend the previous one. So why don't you just shut the fuck up and enjoy the reflected glory of people looking for it on YouTube? Or failing that, just shut the fuck up. Dave: [45:47] Good advice. All right, Sarah, who is your not-quite winner? Sarah: [45:50] Oh, am I not shutting the fuck up? Okay. My not-quite winner is Scamanda, ABC News Studio's most streamed series launch ever. That is a true crime property about, you know, Scamanda. Tara: [46:03] Sure. Sarah: [46:03] Which they delayed a bunch of times, and we kind of weren't sure. Like, at bestevidence.fyi, our freelancer was offered screeners, and then that access was revoked. So we were like, what the, like, is this really horrible or they're just trying to create secrecy and buzz around it? So we were like, okay, just watch it as usual. And if you think it's worth covering, let us know. She didn't. Tara: [46:32] Oh. Sarah: [46:32] So I don't think it's actually great. ABC News Studios has like predictable sort of like solid B programming in this genre. So it's good that they were getting eyeballs on that, I guess. But like be less weird about drop dates and screeners would be my advice. Dave: [46:51] Maybe they're trying to figure out the names of their other titles in the same series. Like they're going to have bird on a. Tara: [46:57] Grand Theft to Olivia. Dave: [47:00] Yeah. Lesbo libel. Sarah: [47:03] Oh, dear. Felondine. I don't know. My not quite loser is NBC Nightly News, which is losing Lester Holt as the anchor because sister network MSNBC has fired slash not renewed basically only hosts and anchors of color in the latest round of quote right sizing one senses that Lester Holt jumped before he was pushed back to Dateline I love Lester Holt and want the best for him but this constellation of networks is once again being clueless and not understanding what not understanding their strengths or what to do with them in my opinion so that's too bad for the nightly news but great news for Dateline watchers. Dave: [47:55] Jay Walkling. Tara: [47:59] Our recent guest, Daniel Daddario, wrote about this at Variety, that it's not just NBC that's losing anchors. Norah O'Donnell also left her post at the CBS Evening News. I'm curious how much of this is ultimately people being like, I can't do another four years of this. I don't want too. Sarah: [48:18] It's not appealing to me. Tara: [48:19] I've made enough money. Pass. But anyway, we'll link to his thoughts in the show notes. Sarah: [48:24] Yeah. I mean, just based on I don't really feel like MSNBC is a good or soothing use of the time. Tara: [48:32] Sure. Sarah: [48:32] But not everyone in my household agrees with that. In the last two weeks alone, Lawrence O'Donnell has visibly aged like 10 years. And I get it. I feel like we all have. So I hope everyone can get some rest. Who needs it? That's it. Tara: [48:48] Well, keeping it light, my not-quite-winner goes back to our tiny canon. It's in the same universe. Though there had been rumors that Vegas was going to be the site of the next 9-1-1 spinoff, it is, in fact, going to be set in Nashville. Dave: [49:03] Uh-oh, hot chicken burns. Tara: [49:05] Actually, it is the city on the grow. And it just got a series order at ABC for the 2025-26 season, so that is coming for sure. And in other 9-1-1 news The LA show is going to be crossing over in March With its cousin, Dr. Odyssey Woo! So something to look forward to slash live for Dr. Fuck Boatnip That's right. Dave: [49:31] They already did a big cruise boat thing Yeah. Tara: [49:34] I'm convinced that's the reason that Dr. Odyssey exists Is because of that three episode cruise ship arc Not quite loser of the week Related to our main loser We talked in Wednesday's episode about Martin Short missing the SAG Awards because he got COVID at the SNL 50 celebration. And he was not the only one. We mentioned Maya Rudolph earlier, but it also took down Chloe Fineman. She's going to be missing the next episode of SNL proper because she got COVID as well. So, yikes. Dave: [50:06] Co-Vanessa. It's not a crime, but, you know. Dave: [50:12] All right, everybody, get ready for Kim Reid's The Most Awesome Thing I Watched on TV this month. It's happening right now. Hi, this is Kim Reid, and welcome. Tara: [56:05] And we welcome in our grandpas. We learned in the main part of the extended episode that only nine point something of you still remain. So if you have a few bucks every month that you can turn over, kick up that pledge. You're missing a lot of very good content. We talked a lot about Beyond the Gates, the new soap opera on CBS. Dave presented a hilariously horrifying tiny cannon. There's a lot going on. So extrahotgreat.com slash club. If you have just three little more dollars every month, you can get the full-ass episodes. For now, we are talking about TV that strikes a chord. This topic comes from Meredith. Meredith writes, Your canon discussion of the Forks episode of The Bear inspired this question. I have been a high school teacher for the last 25 years. That's a quarter of a century of being told that I am either a selfless hero or responsible for the downfall of Western civilization. Can at times be a thankless job, which is why the moment in that episode when they comped those teachers' meals genuinely made me cry. Tell me about a moment of a TV show that affected you for a personal reason. And Sarah, since you presented that Forks episode, why don't you go first? Sarah: [57:17] Thank you. Maybe this is on my mind because as we are prepping this episode, we learned yesterday of the untimely death of Michelle Trachtenberg, who played Dawn on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. But back in the day before fun was invented, when we used to watch that show live, there's a moment at the end of the prom episode, which is season three, episode 20, after Jonathan has read the speech presenting Buffy with the first ever Class Protector Award, which still also turns the waterworks on for Buncee. I'm not going to front. But shortly after that, everyone is on the dance floor and Wild Horses starts to play. Not the original Rolling Stones version, which is also lovely, but the one by the Sundays, which probably is better known to this generation of TV watchers now because it has shown up in other places. Sarah: [58:05] As well. But I, at the time, could not believe my ears when that cue started. My esteemed colleague and pod husband, John Ramos, is the one who jumped me into Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And we had fallen in love with the Sundays in college at the same time and had gone to multiple shows of theirs together. And this just felt like the show Buffy, the show, was like thanking us personally for caring about it. So I rushed to a landline, kids, ask your grandparents, to call John and his line was busy because he's trying to call me. We finally get on the phone and are like squeeing together. And then Angel shows up in a ill-fitting tuxedo-looking hangdog and it was just like happy tears everywhere. That show almost 100% has not traveled well, and there's a lot that has curdled in retrospect, which is unfortunate. But a lot of season three can actually hold its own with the prestige stuff from the era. And that was one of those moments of feeling like a show shared a cool secret that you already had that was not revelatory. It was just great. It was really great. I hope that's what you mean. Maybe calling it strikes a chord is what made me think of this. But anyway, that's mine. David T. Cole. Dave: [59:25] All right. Well, I'm guessing, Meredith, that this isn't exactly what you wanted as an answer, but I think I've cried at two pieces of pop culture in my life, and they're both movies, so no tears for you. You try to get into my cold black heart, but... Tara: [59:39] Wait, what are the movies? Dave: [59:40] Oh, wouldn't you like to know? Tara: [59:42] Yeah, I would. That's what I'm asking. Dave: [59:43] I mean, I think you'll be able to guess one. Sarah: [59:46] Human Centipede. Dave: [59:46] Yeah, Human Centipede. I mean, the guy just wanted to connect three people together and have them poop through them. And then, like, all this bad stuff happens. Tara: [59:56] I'm going to guess it's a Star War. Dave: [59:58] No, it's not a Star War. Tara: [59:59] Okay, I don't know. Dave: [1:00:00] Our first one was Iron Giant. Tara: [1:00:02] I think that one's been on the table before. Sarah: [1:00:03] Oh, yeah. Dave: [1:00:04] At the end of Iron Giant. I mean, I'm not made of stone. and the other one is in america oh. Tara: [1:00:09] Yeah good choices. Dave: [1:00:10] Okay thanks yeah it's not up to me it's up to the waterworks that's true good choices dave soul what there is of it yeah, and then the the fucking iron curtain came down no more tears since then all right so um i'm gonna slide over to something on tv that struck a chord with the job i had before we started doing television for the pity full time and that job was video game marketing That's what I did. I consult with marketing departments at like Sony for Sony PlayStation, Namco for Tekken, Atari for all their shitty games, etc. And they get their existing marketing campaigns that were designed for print into digital formats. So this we're talking is like 1996 and on to like early aughts. Very early days for digital marketing. and me and the people that I work with were all like young 20-something gamers who absolutely, I'm not just saying this because, you know, like. Dave: [1:01:04] But we absolutely knew the product way better than the dinosaurs that we were dealing with at the marketing level because we were dealing with the agencies that like Sony would hire to produce the overall campaign and then they outsource the digital stuff to us. The people that were in charge of the marketing were like the same people that were doing like Nissan Pathfinders ad campaigns and stuff like that. So weird early days, like I said. So we had to sit through a lot of traditional print marketing crap just to get back to our office and bang something out that we could get past all the shareholders involved at the ad agency and then at their client. Dave: [1:01:42] So it was really annoying. And at half the time, the ads we created had to be like literally three quarters of the space we had to create an ad had to be company logos because they had print guidelines that nobody had the bravery, the balls to like ask them to change because it was a totally different new format so you know they would pay good money for these ads and you remember ads at the time 486 by 60 i think was yeah the banners oh yeah sure and just imagine the three quarters of it is just like logos for the companies involved in this product and you got this little thing that's like buy my game that was sort of like what we had to deal with a lot of times so it was annoying is that lots of lots of rules that existed because people just wouldn't tell their bosses like you're living in the past dude yeah anyways so when i watched the first episode of an adult swim show called frisky dingo i was surprised to discover the first episode of the superhero animated show was about how the super villain kill face wanted a marketing campaign for his plans to take over the world but had no fucking idea what the hell he was talking about i truly truly felt seen you see brent we all. Tara: [1:02:51] Have jobs to do there goes my pen my job is to complete the annihilatrix and destroy mankind by driving this vile planet straight into the sun. I got, uh. Don't say David Arquette to me. I, well, now that you say that, I'm not going to. Any sander DVD player. Or any, uh, PC, it says here. Yes, any personal computer with, It's all right if you want to laugh. Sarah: [1:03:36] What's our unit price on that? Including postage? Well, unless you propose having the stork plop them down the chimney. You know who I like. Tara: [1:03:46] That they had. From the pickles. It's a mailman. No? Never mind. What's the unit price? $3.80. $3.80? Well, you are the one that wanted animated menus, so. How much without animated, here, you shit on every strategy we come up with, and by the way, that web promotion was tight! But the bottom line is, you don't fucking have the budget to run with the big dogs, now do you? Are you finished? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. Dave: [1:04:35] So the TV that struck a chord with video game marketing me was the pilot of Frisky Bingo, a pilot that is all about marketing. Tara: [1:04:45] Okay, I guess I'll follow that. Mine is Reservation Dogs, season two, episode four. It's titled Mabel. It's probably one I'll pitch for the canon one day. In this episode, Elora Dannon's grandmother, Mabel, who raised her after her mother Cookie died, is dying herself and the entire community has gathered. Tara: [1:05:04] A lot of shows are about the idea of chosen family and what Reservation Dogs so well is show, like there's a difference between how this community regards the idea of chosen family versus just people being in your, you know, tribe. And that's something that comes across really nicely in this episode. So one important person has also returned from away. It's Allura Dannon's aunt, Teenie, who left the res when Cookie died and who Allura does not know at all. She's Cookie's sister. They are both stubborn and too proud to reach out to each other. And when Mabel dies, Teenie tries to hug Allura. Allura's not ready yet. They do eventually build a relationship over episodes that follow, but it does take time. And this episode made me cry because, you know, the character does. And even though we don't know her that well, the rest of the ensemble is so good. They make you feel what they're going through. But what affected me personally was people feeling old resentment about Teenie for moving away, because I do sometimes feel guilty about that in my own life. Also, the very homey depictions of the unplanned moments that go into these events, like the cooking and the housekeeping and the sniping about who's not doing enough to pitch in from people who have known each other their whole lives. That's the kind of stuff I sometimes miss living this far from the rest of my family. There's a moment where the characters are mad that an extended family member isn't helping. And then she does say, what can I do to help? And then they're still mad because they're like, well, she shouldn't have to ask. This is what happens. It's so real. Tara: [1:06:30] So I loved all of that. The episode, just as so many episodes of Reservation Dogs do, feels so true. And it captures the light and dark moments of these incredibly fraught emotional moments. And I love Mabel for that. Thank you, Meredith, for the question. Dave: [1:06:49] And that is it for this episode of Extra, Extra Hot Great. We went beyond the gates to break some mugs and discuss TV's newest soap opera before answering your burning ass EHG questions like which TV therapist would you choose to see and what's the best fart on TV? Dave stuck Tara and Sarah with voting for Marcy's Harmonica Mouth for the Tiny Musical Moments canon. We celebrated those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week and wrapped it all up with TV that struck a personal chord. Next up is Running Point on EHG Prime. Remember, we're listening. I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tara Ariano. Tara: [1:07:34] You know what this is, Caroline? A new dawn. Dave: [1:07:37] And Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:07:39] I had a bagel with my head held high. Dave: [1:07:42] Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra Hot Great. Tara: [1:08:04] Done. Dave: [1:08:13] This episode of Extra Extra Hot Great was brought to you by Diatho's 15 Seconds of Fame. Dave: [1:08:38] It is time for the tiny cannon presenting this week. It's me. It's me. Sorry. Tara: [1:08:46] It's you. Dave: [1:08:47] Yeah, it is me. Let's do that again. Sure. Tara: [1:08:50] Why? Dave: [1:08:51] I got through. Tara: [1:08:56] Sorry. Dave: [1:08:59] I just got a, I had my clips in two different places and I got totally thrown and now I can't even find where the hell those places. Sarah: [1:09:07] All right. Dave: [1:09:09] All right you do that again all right, Dave: [1:09:14] this is extra.