Should You Wade Into The Pitt?

Dave: [0:58] This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 545 for the week of January 13th, 2025. I am sandwich-wanting old man David T. Cole, and I'm here with Tupperware of the Damned, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:17] I'm full of barf till the frit. Dave: [1:19] Suspected elder abuse victim, Tara Arianna. Tara: [1:22] I'm 54. Dave: [1:23] And fainting Nepo baby, Heather Cox. Guest: [1:25] I'm rich, but I'm squeamish. Tara: [1:33] Welcome to Extra Hot. Great for another week. Joining us, she is the co-creator of Go Fug Yourself and the co-author of The Royal We and the Air Affair. She is also a former ER recapper at Deliver Nut Biddy. You've heard her with us many times before. It's Heather Cox. Dave: [1:49] Welcome back, Heather. Sarah: [1:50] Heather. Guest: [1:52] Thank you. I'm ready to re-enter trauma one. Tara: [1:56] We're delighted to have you to talk about the pit in which things are not great in the emergency department of pittsburgh trauma medical hospital post-covid they are extremely understaffed too many of their beds are filled with people waiting sometimes for days to be admitted to other departments patient satisfaction scores are low there are rumors the place is going to be sold and as we join dr michael robbie rabinovich no way for a shift starting at 7 a.m it's the anniversary of the death of Dr. Adamson, his professional mentor, which Robbie blames himself for, which is why he has taken this day off for the previous four years. Oh, and a bunch of brand new interns are starting their rotations today. So on top of everything else, the staff will have to help them figure out how things work. I hope all the patients are very normal. Spoiler, they're not. The show was created by former ER showrunner R. Scott Gemmel and executive produced by former ER EP John Wells and stars former ER star Noah Wiley, as previously mentioned. But it is not ER, according to a legal filing by Warner Brothers Television. It is a little 24 in that the season takes place over one shift in the department with each episode covering one hour. The first two episodes dropped on Max last Thursday with two more to follow every week. Let's do the check in. Heather, should our listeners watch the pit? Guest: [3:16] I think so. I mean, I think for whatever it is or isn't, it's definitely, it moves pretty quickly and it's well-made television. Maybe if what you're hankering for is something that feels a little familiar from simpler times, it'll scratch that itch. Tara: [3:30] Sarah? Sarah: [3:31] Well, it's definitely not ER, but if you liked ER, you will like this. So I would say yes. Tara: [3:37] Dave? Dave: [3:38] But it's definitely not not ER as well. So I think it'll scratch that itch. Sarah: [3:44] Allegedly. Tara: [3:46] If you don't want it to be ER, it's not. But if you do, it's enough like it that you'll be satisfied, in my opinion. So, yes, you should watch it if you were an ER watcher. Let's get into it. Heather, what are the most important elements a medical drama needs to include to hook you? And which ones does the pit have? Guest: [4:06] It's hard to say. I was because I kind of went back and watched the ER pilot as well, just sort of for a frame of comparison. And I think one thing the ER pilot did better than the pit does is it wasn't as pleased with itself about the lingo at the time. Like they did a really good job with the pace and with making you understand what was happening with the patients and that it was critical and that these were knowledgeable doctors treating them. But they didn't really get quite so rapid fire with all of the lingo and the medical terminology. And I think the pit kind of is assuming that maybe you watched ER for at least a decade and kind of are familiar with all those terms and aren't going to be thrown off by the mumbling abbreviations or quantities of medicines at each other. I think what it did well, it really did sort of the pace well. I mean, that's what this particular factory of shows always did well and almost, I don't know if I want to say invented it, but close to where, you know, the cameras following them through this sort of Byzantine shabby hospital. what it does better than gray's anatomy for sure which also er did is that it's not like gray's anatomy by now is like the shiniest fanciest cleanest hospital there's no no nothing's crowded everything's pleasant and er was grittier and the pit is for sure grittier like it's not a nice research hospital in pittsburgh it's like a cruddy inner city er and i think because of that it almost makes it more relatable to people who've actually had to go to the er. Guest: [5:29] But it does a good job of sweeping you through all the different cases and giving you a sense of what the urgencies are and what the dynamics between the doctors are, even if you aren't totally sold on what all their backstories are yet. And that's to me, I don't like I don't necessarily need to care about your emotional pain right now. I just kind of want to see somebody's foot fall off or whatever. Tara: [5:50] We'll fucking get to it. Same question. Sarah: [5:54] I think that you you have to accept that, like, there is going to be in the pilot the trope of here is a new group of medical students that have to be walked through. Not only rudimentary things that usually a full doctor or resident would not need to do. the CSI, let me explain, fingerprint powder to you, fellow CSI thing. You have to find a way around that. The pit does that. And you have to walk them through the layout of the set so that the viewer gets a sense geographically of what is going on. And I think you also have to sort of, what is the term I want here? You kind of have to plant your flag as to whether you're going to be like a medical drama or a drama that takes place in a hospital. And PR was the first thing and Grey's now is the second thing. I mean, it's functionally a soap, which is fine. It's just a different focus. And I think that being on a streamer and having a little more latitude to get real gnarly with some of the traumas, PS sidebar, they mentioned that thing with the eye. And I was like, guys, don't you know Heather's the guest? Guest: [7:07] Oh my God. And then. Sarah: [7:08] They didn't show it and i was like they do know heather's the guest. Guest: [7:10] Like 30 seconds before that happened i turned to kevin and i was like you know this is on hbo they can show more can't they and he was like oh that's probably true and they said that and i was like i watched the rest of that episode basically by like i was sort of staring at the wall and i would occasionally look to the screen i don't trust you bitches not to surprise me it was something really disgusting that. Sarah: [7:31] Was a great podcast and I'm not drunk. Yeah. Um, your metaphor correspondent was, uh, not likewise spared, but yeah, I think they, I mean, because it's definitely not ER, they definitely know the ingredients of the structure that has to happen. And I think they also cast it well and didn't go too much into like, here are the interpersonal things that you should keep an eye on, underline asterisk, which I'm not sure they're going to be able to maintain that rigor, but, Yeah, I thought it had all the right ingredients in the right proportions. Tara: [8:09] Dave, you were an ER watcher. You are not watching any medical shows anymore now that you've dipped on the 911 franchise. Is this one you're going to continue with? And if so, what was it about it that grabbed an abstainer like you? Dave: [8:24] Yeah, I'm going to continue watching it. And I think what I'm most interested in is how they can keep me invested on the people that are in the ER currently because it's all 24 real timey and each episode is an hour-ish so far. Anyways, maybe they'll play with that. But as far as I know, we're going to go to like dinner time or something in the season. So like the people that were introduced and not necessarily with the patients, but with the interns that we get in the universe of half a day or so, is it going to seem artificially accelerated by the time we get to the end of the first season is the Kenneth Parcells intern, going to overcome his stuff in the span of eight hours. Sarah: [9:07] He'll be writing the hospital by the end. Dave: [9:09] Yeah, exactly. Tara: [9:10] Stealing more sandwiches. Guest: [9:10] How many times can the hospital administrator come down in one day to be like, you do know patients are unhappy here, right? Sarah: [9:17] I mean, I love that actor, but geez. Guest: [9:20] I know, that's a thankless part. Dave: [9:21] That was an average of every 25 minutes for her to come down. Like maybe if you didn't come down, you know, I could get more stuff done. It would be a perfectly adequate response to that. So that is my main sort of interest is just to see how this format change from ER is going to play into how everybody develops. Because unless something huge happens, and I think we can all guess what the something huge is going to happen, is going to happen, what the big crisis is going to be if you've watched the first two episodes, how that is going to move everybody forward in the personal growth stakes. So that's probably the main thing I'm looking for. And the other thing is, boy, I hope that guy can finally shit in the dustpan. You know, I've been there, buddy. Tara: [10:00] That's a tough one. Sarah: [10:03] Looked like he was making progress, and I'm just going to say that. Dave: [10:05] I know. I didn't need to see the shit on the inside of his thighs either. Sarah: [10:08] I'm going to tell you. Thanks for the Hershey's there. Yeah. Tara: [10:12] Well, let's get there because they're definitely, I mean, one of the ways it is not ER is the stuff you see. I mean, it was always funny to me on ER, which I watched for years, when they would be like, you know, had the paddles out for a woman and she still had her underwire bra on. Like, I don't think you do that. Sarah: [10:29] You're going to kill her. Tara: [10:31] But here, like when they're cutting people's clothes open, like you see a boob, you see a guy's penis like you see. I mean, we and certainly the foot that Heather mentioned earlier, where a woman who they eventually figure out is Nepalese. They don't know for a long time what language she even speaks, but she's been either fell or was pushed onto train tracks. Dave: [10:53] Sidebar. Tara: [10:53] Yeah. Dave: [10:54] Not believable. Anybody who does first responder stuff has a system to figure out where you're from. Guest: [11:00] I was like, can you just hold up Google and be like, speak into this and it'll translate. It'll tell me what it is. Sarah: [11:05] That's what my note said. Record her and ask Google what she's saying. Guest: [11:09] Yeah. Tara: [11:09] But when we see them have to put her half hanging off foot, like back in contact with the rest of her leg. Dave: [11:18] It's like a bowl of spaghetti down there. Tara: [11:19] It is like a bowl of spaghetti down there. That was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen. Dave: [11:24] I couldn't tell what it was. I didn't know what I was looking at. Guest: [11:27] Looking at, hearing, it was like, it just sounded awful. And I, yeah, there's a reason I'm not a doctor, not as high on the list. Tara: [11:35] That's when the Nepo baby faints. And it's sort of like, you know what? Fair enough. Like, there's no way book learning can prepare you for what you're seeing or, you know, working on cadavers or whatever. Dave: [11:46] It's a testament to the pit that that was grosser than anything in The Last of Us. Which I think trucks in the same sort of Wiry gooeyness Yeah. Sarah: [11:55] That was like the boys Like, is this a Vought hospital? Although that one I thought was not as bad As the floating face, Why is it floating? Well Wait, what? Tara: [12:09] The floating face? Did you watch ahead? Sarah: [12:11] Yeah, when they had to reset the Oh. Tara: [12:14] The guy when they put his palate They put his nose back up Yes, yes, that was rough too for sure. Guest: [12:20] I mean, I think I was doing a lot of like, I'm just going to pretend there's something interesting on my coffee table right now because I don't really want to be looking at this. I'm going to be watching this show with my ears. Sarah: [12:29] Time to attend very closely to this knitting pattern, which literally is just stuck in it. Guest: [12:35] Yes. And I don't know how to knit and that's why. Tara: [12:38] Yeah. Sarah: [12:38] But I think that's good because you don't have those moments like Tara said, where like there's an underwire bra on that you're like, and she's dying of electrocution now. that used to take you out of it a little bit. Tara: [12:51] Yeah. Dave: [12:51] Remember when CSI had a boob? We were all like, Remember that one episode of CSI that had a boob? Tara: [12:57] Yes. Sarah: [12:57] I do, yeah. Guest: [12:59] EBS, sexy. Dave: [13:01] She's dead. Tara: [13:03] One of the... Moving on. Sarah: [13:06] Ew. Tara: [13:08] A poster on our Discord commented that they didn't love the COVID flashbacks in the episode, and I get it, but I personally feel like you cannot tell a story about a medical professional without touching on that as a trauma that they've gone through. And, you know, there's been a glut of medical shows. It seems like something that's on creators' minds. I mean, we've and we've talked about them on this podcast, Dr. Odyssey, St. Dennis Medical. We talked about Doc last week, although that's more soapy than Dr. E so far. But what do you think? Is this something that you would rather not see? Or do you think you can't make a medical show in 2025 without it? Heather? Guest: [13:45] Maybe it doesn't bother me that much, but I think it bothered me that it wasn't very well done. It felt like they jammed it in there at the end of the episode as an emotional cliffhanger. And I was like, what? It only would have worked for me if his COVID flashback had panned over and it was Dr. Odyssey lying in the bed and he was Casey's doctor. Sarah: [14:02] Yeah. Guest: [14:03] Right. I know if universes don't collide, then I don't want to hear it. But yeah, you can't just throw that in at the end and have me be like, oh, backstory. And I felt a little bit like that with all of, I'm so sorry, this is lawsuit bait, but with all of Carter's storyline. I know that's not his name. Robbie's storyline. They tried to be like, oh, he's traumatized by his mentor's death and then also COVID. But whatever, we're just going to deal with that just at the bookends of the episode. Otherwise, he's completely fine. I didn't think any of that really worked. I almost think, like, don't do it if you're not going to do it right. And I feel like that about anything. But I think in the sense that the COVID stuff was really ham-handed. And that was like a real trauma. And if you're not going to do it justice, then maybe don't piggyback off of it. Dave: [14:49] Especially if you're breaking your format to do it. It's the only not real-time thing they do. Guest: [14:54] Yeah. Sarah: [14:55] It just looked like the Dr. Odyssey one also. There's a sort of commonality to it's extremely bright and flashed out. everybody's in the, you know, PPG with the duct tape and they shoot it with that weird like fisheye lens to sort of point up the disorientation. And it's like, I'm not saying it wasn't like that. And I'm not saying it shouldn't be dealt with. I'm saying this shouldn't seem like the B-roll of the modeling agency from 90210 where I'm like, oh, hey, buddy, like do something else or cut like shave it down to a smaller snippet so it feels more like a like a traumatic response in his brain i don't i mean i don't know there's a reason that i talk about tv and i don't make. Guest: [15:44] It but right. Sarah: [15:45] It did just seem a little i don't know pro forma. Guest: [15:48] And i think it seemed he seemed so unaffected by the whole rest of the time which i know that again we're where we are but we are dealing with like the first hour of his day on the first time he's ever worked on this anniversary and why the covid flashbacks are happening to him now i guess maybe because is that are we supposed to think his mentor died of covid and that's what the tie is but i think they did a really, clumsy job of it and and for it not to actually for him to seem completely like unfazed and competent the whole rest of the time i'm like why are you why are you trying to turn this into some kind of emotional trauma porn if it wasn't yeah that it. Sarah: [16:19] Did feel a little tacked on. Guest: [16:21] But i did like that they were not um like obviously Grey's Anatomy is just like a soundtrack um and I and ER was extremely like aggressive with like someone's coming in right and I felt like this was very restrained with the music and I liked that about it a lot I didn't feel like it was trying to handhold me into like this one you should take really seriously and then when the music goes back you can relax and yeah so because of that I felt like I was a little bit on tenter hooks the whole time because you just felt like there was no there was no nothing cuing you to exhale yeah or to inhale and so the whole time you were just kind of like oh god um i thought that actually helped the tension more than music does and so i liked that. Dave: [17:03] The exception to that is if they had super dramatic music every time they cut to the guy trying to take a dump in the. Tara: [17:09] That would really be funny. Guest: [17:16] You're right. You're right. Sarah: [17:18] I can't argue that. Exception for Mel going out for a breath of fresh air and rapping to herself, also noted. Tara: [17:24] Yeah, that was cute. Guest: [17:25] Oh, God. Sarah: [17:26] Speaking of Nepo babies, is that a little Cranston? Tara: [17:29] Yes, that's Brian Cranston's daughter. Sarah: [17:32] I liked that character a lot. That just sort of like possibly spectrum personality. That they didn't sort of make that huge of a deal of it. But that she goes, steps outside and is just like kind of stimming. But with Megan Thee Stallion. Tara: [17:48] Okay. Guest: [17:49] Yeah. Sarah: [17:50] Good job. Guest: [17:50] I thought she was quite likable. And the other Nepo is Fiona Dorff. was the monitor on her, the ankle monitor on her. Tara: [17:57] Yeah, McKay. Guest: [17:57] And I quite liked that. I liked that they just sort of dropped that in at the end of the second episode that she has this ankle monitor. Because that is one of those where you're like, oh yeah, you could learn that about somebody in your second hour of work, but be left with questions. Tara: [18:11] Yes. Guest: [18:12] That you don't maybe get answered until maybe your sixth hour of work. I guess we'll find out. But I liked that little twist. Tara: [18:17] In Victoria's case, she can't even like text her mom to be like, what's up with McKay? Because her mother wouldn't know, even though she also works there. Yeah, I know. Guest: [18:24] Right. Tara: [18:24] I thought that was that was a good use of the real time conceit where it's like it. Dave: [18:30] Got lost in the in the crosstalk. But who is who is that Nebo baby? The second. Tara: [18:33] Oh, I'm sorry. She's Fiona Dourif is Brad Dourif's daughter. Brad Dourif from Deadwood and five trillion other things. That was one where I appreciated the real time. But to go back to what we were saying before about the trauma aspects of like whether they're getting short shrift. I did sort of feel that way about, you know, the episode sort of opens with him finding his colleague who's about to go off shift. The Sean Hittosi character, Jack, is like on the roof. And it really does seem like he's thinking about like he's really in a bad way. And Robbie sort of makes a joke about it. Like, well, if you jumped to the beginning of my shift, it would really be rude, which it would. But then like that, plus the Robbie story, it's sort of like that's that's where the the real time gets in the way where it's sort of like everything is. moving so fast, you don't have time to consider these in a measured way because it's sort of an action show as well. So, yeah. Sarah: [19:27] Yeah. And also having Hitosi going off shift in the premiere is rude to me and John Ramos personally, even though he seemed to be in character as his character from Animal Kingdom. So, I mean, good for him. I hope he got paid, but I also hope we see him in the finale because... Guest: [19:45] Except you don't want to see him in the finale the way it seems like we could see him in the finale. Sarah: [19:49] Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. No. Guest: [19:51] You don't want him to be Chekhov's jumper or whatever. Like, that's not. Tara: [19:55] Right. Guest: [19:55] Okay. Hang in there, Sean. Tara: [19:57] He is a series regular. So I think probably if I had to guess, what would happen is, you know, when they have their mass casualty event, he'll have to come back. Sarah: [20:06] He's called in. Tara: [20:06] And deal with it. So we've already hinted around about this. We might as well talk about it. the elder abuse patient that we mentioned in the intro, who is 54, played by Joanna Going from that Columbo-Nonak episode we talked about last fall. A human going. Her story is that she faked this horrible vomiting fit because she found a list that her son David made where it seems like it's his kill list, and she wanted to bring him there or have a reason for him to go there so that someone can talk to him. And so Robbie tries to talk to him, and then the social worker tries to talk to him and he is not having it and it definitely seems like they're setting up a school shooting that's going to be the middle or the last half of the shift is going to be about that because they also make sure to establish for Mel, the little Cranston. Oh yeah, we always have an OR open and her being like, what happens if more than one person needs it? And like, well, then we get really busy. Like, oh, I wonder if that's going to be a factor later on, cough. Sarah: [21:07] What? No. Tara: [21:09] What did you feel about the way this storyline, I think we all agree, is probably going to go that way, was established in the early going? Heather? Guest: [21:19] I mean, I didn't hate it. I liked that they sort of had it that she would, that they faked, I liked that she faked the thing and then her vomiting or whatever, and then she was just like, abort. I'm worried about him. I did feel like he was so obviously off. Tara: [21:34] Sketchy, yeah. Guest: [21:34] That you were like, I guess maybe that was so that you could believe he was, but he didn't seem off in a way that was abusive. He just seemed like a dick. Tara: [21:43] Yeah. Dave: [21:43] He seemed like one of the school bully guys from The Simpsons. His characterization was so weird to me. He was like right there with Jimbo and Curry. Tara: [21:50] He was like, oh. Dave: [21:51] It's Kevin. Guest: [21:52] That was the clumsiest part to me was that I just didn't think he worked. Dave: [21:56] Yeah. Guest: [21:57] To the point where you were like, somebody would have maybe this maybe should have already happened because especially when she was like, I don't believe he would hurt anyone. He's a really nice kid. And I was like, not to be a jerk, but like where is he? Tara: [22:08] Yeah. Guest: [22:08] Yeah. I have not seen any evidence of that at all. And I almost think it would be it would have been a more, striking story if he had seemed attentive or if he had seemed like you wouldn't like like the kid you like, unfortunately, the ones where you read the story and people are like, we had no idea, you know, where there's something in there that he's doing a better job hiding. Yeah. I think that might have been really affecting and more surprising. Dave: [22:32] Yeah. Guest: [22:33] Like, it's so obvious that's what's going to happen. And like, how long are they going to make us wait before we have to check in on this? And the other thing that did kind of get me is I was like, would you not call his school at this point? You know, he ran off to school. He grabbed his backpack like there was something in it, sprinted away. Like, I feel like at that point you asked the mom, where does he go to school? We should let the principal know that he's that he's troubled. Dave: [22:53] Well, again, I think there would be procedures already in place that we know about. You would probably contact that social worker that works at the hospital and then also or she would then contact the authorities like there would be a no fault procedure that the hospital already has in place when they find out about possible, you know, just for their liability reasons, there would be a policy in place. And it seemed like they're setting up Dr. Carter here to be like the one who figures it out or the one who has to figure it out. Felt like he was too lonely in that whole plot line. Like there should have been way more people involved way faster. Guest: [23:27] Can't you just yell security? Dave: [23:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guest: [23:29] And someone maybe like he's chasing him himself. But I'm like, you clearly you have security at this. I don't know. I felt like that was all a little convenient. But I like the idea of the story. And I liked the twist of it. And I just, yeah, as with everything, I have notes. Dave: [23:44] You know what's more terrifying than that is having to go under your fingernail with a needle. Tara: [23:49] Oh, yeah. Dave: [23:49] That was the worst part of the first two episodes for me. Never mind spaghetti leg. Never mind shitting in a dustpan. Putting a needle under the fingernail slowly with two interns never, you know, I'm out. Like, no way. I would just faint or pretend to faint and then just, like, crawl away when they weren't looking. Like, no way. I'd rather die. Sarah: [24:09] Yeah. So it's kind of a four-quadrant content warning situation. Tara: [24:14] That's true. Guest: [24:15] Like, you should definitely watch it. It's going to traumatize you, but do it. Dave: [24:19] The extra tea is for extra trauma. Dave: [24:28] And it's time to go around the dial. First up, Tara. Tara: [24:31] So last week, I talked about Fox's sitcom starring a comic who was big in the 90s as a crotchety old conservative dad trying to mend his relationship with his adult daughter. And now I'm talking about the one that's on ABC. By the way, sidebar about going Dutch. My colleague at Crack told me that they put a snippet of my review in a promo for going Dutch. So side tiny triumph. Dave: [24:51] Yeah, because here's how that room went. Oh, thank God. We got one. We got one positive mention. Sarah: [24:56] Put it up. Tara: [24:58] It's. Dave: [24:59] One of those commercials where there's like 14 things and they're all. Tara: [25:01] From the same reviewer yeah a. Sarah: [25:04] Tiny triumph but for whom. Tara: [25:06] Right anyway uh they're not going to be clipping my review of shifting gears for anything i predict this is a multi-cam sitcom in which tim allen stars as matt who has a shop where he fixes up classic cars to give them contemporary souped parts or something. I'm sure it matters to him. It doesn't matter to me. He enters his very first scene repeating right-wing talking points about the decline of American manufacturing and that people who use weight loss drugs are lazy. That's in the same speech. And while a show could be built around a guy like this lecturing his captive audience of employees, there is more-ish to the show. His daughter Riley, played by Kat Dennings, has left the husband that Matt never liked because he got her pregnant when she was a teenager, which led to her dropping out of college. So even though they've basically been estranged since Riley's mother died, she has nowhere else to go to start a new life and descends on Matt with her two kids. Also, they established that she's from Las Vegas, but not where they are now, so lazy. Tara: [26:05] There's a lot of stopping dead so Matt can tell everyone his political opinions, whether they are relevant to the scene that we're watching or not. I assume it goes without saying, all of his opinions are bad. The state of network sitcoms is down so bad that, ABC basically has no other time slots and has to pair this with Abbott Elementary, which obviously has the opposite political agenda. And that's a bummer. And here's another one. The show is co-created by the husband and wife writing team of Mike Scully and Julie Thacker Scully. And one of Mike Scully's earliest credits is on The Simpsons. His first episode was Lisa's rival, which brought us Jeremy's Iron. His next episode was Lisa on Ice, which brought us Bart Gets to Sit Up Front because he's a good guy at sports. His next episode after that was Two Dozen and One Greyhounds, which brought us Just Like a Little Rory Calhoun. That's only in season six. He wrote March Be Not Proud, the one where Bart shoplifts at Christmas. Team Homer, where Mr. Burns joins Homer's bowling team. Lisa's Date with Density, where she dates Nelson. And after that, we're in Bad Years. He's also credited as a producer on 552 Simpsons episodes. He didn't write himself because he worked there until 2021. Tara: [27:13] So, did staying at The Simpsons and provisiting over dozens more bad seasons than good degrade his taste? Or is he just a hired hand here bringing Tim Allen's vision to life? Like, officially, Allen's not a co-creator, but it's impossible not to think that he put a stamp on this character. It's a different show if Matt is played by Bill Pullman or Tony Shalhoub or Rick Moranis or fill in the name of another actor who, like Tim Allen, was born in 1953. But the show is bad. Don't reward ABC for making it. Tara: [27:42] Don't turn it on before avid elementary last man standing had nine seasons that can't happen again yeah i just. Dave: [27:49] Kind of figured all his non-home improvements had three seasons and they were out i can't believe that these are all i mean i. Tara: [27:55] Guess oh no no no last man standing got canceled at one network and then picked up by another for like two or three more and i forget which was which but it was abc and fox anyway don't let that happen again and mike scully i want better for you go back to writing us Barkas to sit up front because he's a good guy at sports. Please. You can read my review of this but you can also go to the Anti-Recidivism Coalition's Firefighter Fund. Obviously we are taping this in the middle of the LA wildfires. We hope everyone is safe. Some of the people who are fighting these fires are incarcerated people who get paid $5 a day. Some of them are youth who are incarcerated. So this coalition has a fund specifically for those people, and we will link to it in the show notes. You can make it a monthly gift to support their work if that's what I did. So do what you can if that's a cause that resonates with you. Dave: [28:48] All right, Heather, what have you been watching recently that people need to know about? Guest: [28:52] I'll tell you what I'm sad I'm not watching is Switching Gears starring Rick Moranis. I feel like every version of that show you pitched is outstanding compared to the one that exists. Tara: [29:02] I mean, ABC hasn't hired me, but they should. Guest: [29:05] With apologies for the, I'm not trying to farm for pity here, but I had planned to watch something and I really wanted to come up with something cool and a little different. And then L.A. started burning down. And I've been watching the local news, which is a hard thing to recommend if you don't live in L.A. right now. We've just been kind of glued to the fire coverage. So I've been trying to distract myself with stuff that is not groundbreaking, but which I enjoy, which is season three of The Traitors is on Peacock. And I'm sure you guys have talked about it. But if anyone for some reason hasn't heard of it, that's the show where Alan Cumming presides over a castle in Scotland full of reality TV all-stars who get together. And a few of them are secretly tagged as traitors. the others are faithful. And so what they have to do is try to win a bunch of money while the traitors slowly kill the faithful and the faithful root out the traitors. And it's always an interesting mix of people who are already famous from TV and have certain perceptions of each other, but also maybe alliances from the franchises that they're already on. It's, you know, Boston Rob is on it right now from Survivor. There's a couple Survivor people. There's Chrishell from Selling Sunset, but Alan Cumming is the star. Guest: [30:11] Alan Cumming and Fergus, who is the brooding, silent, ZZ Top bearded groundskeeper, groundskeeper with air quotes, who helps him do all these weird challenges in the Scottish countryside. But Alan Cumming is beautifully dressed and deeply campy, and I highly recommend it. Guest: [30:26] And if you want something that's sort of harmless, gentle, teen soap, which is also sort of on the menu right now, I've been rewatching The Summer I Turned Pretty in preparation for that to come back for its third season. And that's on Prime video, I believe. It's based on some young adult books, but I actually really love the series. It's really just, it's a young girl and she goes to their summer vacation and the two brothers who she's grown up with are hot and she's real pretty. And there's some like sexual tension and it's a love triangle and there's good stories with the parents. Like they're not dopes like everyone on Dawson's Creek. Guest: [31:00] It's actual human beings as parents and I enjoy it. And so if you're looking for something gentler, I would say give that a whirl because you're about to get some satisfaction with season three coming up. Just in keeping with the links that everybody's been providing about the fires, which I really appreciate, the LA Fire Department Foundation, there's a link that I think they'll put up on the show notes that you can donate supplies to the Fighting the Wildfires. But also, if you live in a city where your firefighters have come to help in Los Angeles, maybe call around to the firehouses and find out which ones they are. You can always donate directly to those firehouses to say thank you, or even any firehouse near where you live. they all need Gatorade, they all need Red Bull, they all need snacks. Even if they're not fighting these wildfires, they're doing something. So if you want to show appreciation locally, that would be a great way to do it too. Dave: [31:48] Sarah D. Bunting, what do you have for us? Sarah: [31:50] Well, for obvious reasons, I have a Google alert for the phrase true crime premiere. It is 90% garbage results, but I do occasionally get some drop date intel or spot a surprising trend in what every other publication is talking about. In this case, it was how many of the headlines over the last week were buzzing about The Breakthrough, which is a four-part docudrama on Netflix. It is based on a book about an IRL 16-year journey to crack a double murder case in Linköping, Sweden. It is well enough done at first, and the episodes are all about 30 to 40 minutes long, paced nicely. Sarah: [32:29] Series director is Lisa Siwa, who directed a couple episodes of the original The Bridge. But the breakthrough in question isn't just in the case itself, and I won't spoil the exact nature of it in case you want to watch for yourselves. It's also that the viewer has to sit with the story for a couple of episodes and make her own breakthrough past Peter Eggers' bad lace front in the first couple of episodes set in 2004, and the exhausting, oh, a cop's spouse wants him to cop less and spouse more crime story trope. You just have to trust that spending time with these people in their stories and in this case will pay off in the back half, and it really does. It makes quiet parallels between the family lives of the lead detective and the consultant who engineers the solution. It spends respectful but not maudlin time with the victim's families, and it includes the suspect's family in that number. It makes processy archival research into compelling TV that may only apply for grandpa-esque viewers like myself, but still—, And on a lighter note, it was sort of gratifying to see that blue Ikea bags are as much a part of daily life as it's lived in Sweden as they are in my home. Sarah: [33:44] Like, I could literally identify a couple of lamps on the set by name. I'd have problems. Anyway, The Breakthrough is not one of them. If you can hang with subtitles, The Breakthrough is a very solid watch and does a lot of things respectfully without being self-righteous about it. And if you can't hang with subtitles, there's audio in just about any language that is on Netflix, and we will link that in the show notes. And we will also link to my True Crime Bookshop Exhibit B. For the next couple weeks, anything tagged California, Los Angeles, Hollywood, or Libraries are Magic, which they are, is 20% off. And all gross proceeds from sales of that stuff will go to the L.A. County Library System. And if you need some true crime that's not golden state-y, just leave a tip at checkout. I will throw it in the heap happily. And looking or telling a friend is free. We may all be kind of donated out to various things at this time of year, but you can have a look and it doesn't cost you a thing. But if you do decide to spend some money, David T. Cole, what might the cart do for our listeners? Dave: [34:50] Exhibit B books, where the cart does the math. Sarah: [34:53] Fucking A, it's the math. Dave: [34:57] All right, here's what's coming up on Extra Extra Hot Great this Friday. That is our club-only episode. We're talking about Scam Goddess in which you figure out how to scam people. So look out for that. Tara: [35:08] No? Dave: [35:09] Is that what it's about? Tara: [35:11] Well, I mean, if you want to get caught, it's about people who did. Dave: [35:14] Oh, okay. Well, learn what not to do. Tara: [35:16] There you go. Dave: [35:18] And come back next week right here on EHG Prime. We're going to talk about SNL 50, and we welcome back Omar, Omar, Omar. Dave: [35:33] All right, that backwards music can only mean one thing. It is time for the extra hot great Nonac, in which we discuss whether an episode of a generally considered good show is in fact terrible, terrible, terrible show. And presenting this week is Sarah D. Bunting. Take it away, Sarah. Sarah: [35:50] Hello. Once upon a time, almost a quarter century ago, yikes, Aaron Sorkin and the rest of the West Wing team delayed the start of the show's third season proper to write, shoot, and rush to air a non-canonical episode called Isaac and Ishmael. This episode was conceived in response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and had the best intentions, but it was and remains didactic, cringey shite. What better place for stuff like that than the extra hot great Nonak? Isaac and Ishmael, which aired October 3, 2001, was actually my first full episode of The West it repelled me from the show for years afterwards. Because, yeah, I sensed that while this was the show and its creator at their most tiresomely self-important, it was perhaps not the show and its creator at their most atypically tiresomely self-important. Sarah: [36:48] Starting with the title of the episode, which refers to biblical brothers who represent, among other things, the fork in the road for the Abrahamic traditions, Judaism and Christianity on one path, and Islam on the other. It also represents someone named Sarah being a giant bitch about it as it happens, but this grandiose reference ties into the first reason I believe Isaac and Ishmael belongs in the Nonak, off-putting self-satisfaction. Sorkin presumed that a nation wanted, nay, needed to hear from him in the fall of 2001 that only the culture's leading creator of tote bag liberal presidents could comfort them by telling them what to think and how to feel. It's not Sorkin's fault that TV executives and audiences shared his high opinion of his high opinions. But a primetime hour of Brother Aaron Explains It All For You was already a dicey idea, even on paper. On screen, well, here we are at the second reason. It's not well written. Isaac and Ishmael is very slow. There isn't much plot by design. Basically, a group of high school keeners caught in a lockdown at the White House during a tour. Sarah: [38:00] Conducts sorkinocratic dialogues with credits cast in the staff dining room, while a mix-up around a suspect's alias sees Leo, John Spencer, interrogating a staffer played by Office Space's A.J. Naidoo, and almost every scene is an intro to geopolitics social hygiene film. We hear Bradley Whitford's Josh teaching one in clip one. So why is everybody trying to kill us? It's not everybody. It seems like everybody. Sarah: [38:47] Is to Islamic as blank is to Christianity. Yes, yes. Very clever. Or how about the scripted version of those tweets where a parent claims their five-year-old burped up some, Daddy, how come God lets bad things happen? Profundity during carpool. It's Richard Schiff's Toby who gets the hot potato this time in clip two. Sarah: [39:39] Oh, Izzy? Leaving aside that P-Nicle is a card game and I think not something that you shoot, the whole fucking episode is like this. The students obliged to feed the cast non-credible discussion prompts, and the cast in turn obliged to sell the TV equivalent of a Reader's Digest page titled Undersecretaries Say the Darnest Things. No doubt the intent was to work through a bunch of different perspectives on terrorism and try to find common ground, the result is a series of glib and simplistic lecturers. Not to mention some outright clunkers. Here's Rob Lowe's Sam Seaborn basically inventing hashtag too soon in clip three. You know a lot about terrorism? Sarah: [40:24] I dabble. Nope. No, you don't. The quippiness of the West Wing is as much a trademark as snarky optimism and inside beltway self-regard, but it didn't always land and it sure as fuck didn't right there. Plus, the script is fine straying off its character briefs to make its points. Josh starts the episode not wanting to deal with the tour group. That's one example. Josh loves gassing onto a captive audience about how great he is. Give me a break. Much more egregious is Leo being a snarky racist to Raheem Ali in clip four. Sarah: [41:18] It's a pretty high price to make that character and John Spencer pay. He does apologize later, sort of, but this isn't in character for Leo even mask off in a crisis. There were much better ways to make this point if it had to be made, which I don't think it did. My third reason is difficult to articulate and isn't something I can lay at Sorkin's or the show's feet in any case, but there was the feeling going into my prep for this presentation that while the episode might be flawed from its inception, gentler hindsight might uncover something of lasting use in Isaac and Ishmael. Instead, Norkin's mash note to American exceptionalism feels infuriatingly naive. Sam's shrugging dismissal of terrorism's, quote, 100% failure rate. Later, he burbles that capitalism is doing just fine, as if that's good. The keep accepting more than one viewpoint. They hate that shit bit. And this from Josh about all the privileges that make the United States the envy of the world. Clip five. Street corners lined church next to synagogue, next to mosque, newspapers that can. Sarah: [42:32] Ship to outer space, vote and and play soccer. Oh, is that what we have and can do here? Sure. Like I said, some of these concerns seem quaint in our post-J6 griftocracy, and that's not Sorkin's fault. He couldn't know the future, but an episode that wasn't straining to be timely and the final word on its various topics then might not feel so dated and off-tone now, although it felt dated and off-tone immediately. Reason number four. The way in which we're sent into the end credits is absolutely unforgivable. Clip 6. Tara: [43:33] Ain't exactly clear. Dave: [43:38] We're not a video podcast and you're poorer for it. Sarah: [43:41] I think it actually is pretty clear. I probably could have just used that last clip. And for what it's worth, I think that song needs to be banned from any and all soundtracks until the year 2065. But as far as this episode is concerned, on the grounds of self-indulgence, tone deafness, stagy and out-of-character writing, suspicious deposits in the centrist fantasy spank bank that violate the Patriot Act, and misdemeanor Buffalo Springfield. I think it's time to hand Isaac and Ishmael a sleeve of freedom fries and lock that fucker in Mount Weather. Thank you very much. Tara: [44:23] Wow. Okay, Heather, you chose us from our list. Please start off our discussion. Guest: [44:30] Wow. Wow, that was, I love it. So I have to say that I loved your use of the phrase with the gentler hindsight, because I have to confess that I not long ago tried to do a rewatch of the West Wing, which is a show I watched the first time around and I remember enjoying because it felt like it was new, or it felt like it was ER in the West Wing, but newish. I found it unbearable. And these are the episodes that IMDb users rate as a 9.7. And I was like, oh my God, these people are such smug a-holes. and i felt so so while you every point you made about why this particular very special episode was misguided and should never have happened i also thought it stepped in pile shit that it more frequently made in other episodes and that was how smug everybody is like and mansplaining like this entire episode was so yeah the way sarah sarah pointed this out already but it starts with josh and then toby comes in to talk to the kids and then after the break it's sam and then and suddenly it's CJ. Other than, like, occasionally some, like, you know, brotherly jesting, like, for the most part, Josh lets Toby talk, Toby and Josh let Sam talk, and they're like, oh, Sam's an expert, and then CJ comes in, and they all three pile on and ridicule anything she has to say because they're like, oh, it's CJ, CJ, I think spies are good, like, what an idiot. Tara: [45:48] Well, her opinions are bad, but yes, go on. Sarah: [45:51] But it's one of those things where. Guest: [45:52] Like, why is that character put in that position to begin with as being the one who comes in and is is instantly a source of someone like instantly something to make fun of yeah. Tara: [46:02] Same with donna who is dismissed as being college girl. Guest: [46:04] College girlish it's exactly what i put in my notes i was like you've got to be kidding me like so i have found that this is a problem with the west wing in general and that this episode absolutely was an extremely i would i don't know if it's a good example or a poor example of i think it's a good example of a poor writing writing conceit where they just sort of let the women take all the shit so i didn't appreciate that about it and i agree with you that that the smugness as well it's smug is what i keep coming back to but the the egregiousness of that ending where leo has been a racist prick this entire episode and then he turns around and gives this guy a smile and calls him kid and it's like way to get back to your desk and the kid doesn't stand up and slap him um i just like as you pointed out It almost doesn't matter what else happened in the episode. I feel like for that alone, I'm out. Tara: [46:55] The other thing about this now, and, you know, Sarah said Sorkin couldn't have seen the future, and that is true, but he could see the present. So when you have a character talking about what do you call a place where you're, you know, when you're out for pizza and it could get bombed anytime, and Sam says Israel. And it's like, well, also Gaza, because that was happening then, too. And now, like, this episode is so much more of a clank now in the middle of, like, what the UN has termed a genocide. And I realize no one expects Aaron Sorkin to have gotten a sensitivity read for this episode or for anything he's written ever. But, like, I would just direct our listeners to watch the Rami episode. Tara: [47:38] Season one, episode four, Strawberries. We'll link it in the show notes. It's on Hulu. for a perspective on what life was like after the September 11th attacks for someone who was Muslim and a child and like saw the propaganda and what shit people were saying at school and was like, am I a sleeper agent and like had nightmares about going to his kitchen and seeing Osama bin Laden there? Like, truly, it's so much better than this because like the people to center and this would never happen on the West Wing, but like all of these privileged high school students having these Socratic dialogues swirling around them, it's like this is not who you center in this moment. And the answer to, you know, what these problems are is not to explain why America is great. Like, it's real, real rough. And I mean, I feel like the fact that they have the high school students there is not an accident either because this episode is pitched for like someone with a ninth grade understanding of like history and physics and everything else. Like, as it started, I sort of set myself the task of like, I wonder if the word colonizer is going to come up in here at all. And it doesn't. Because Aaron Sorkin doesn't think in those terms. And it's also what made his whole, like Sarah mentioned, that, you know, the consensus building nature of his characters also is what made his trial of the Chicago 7 movie a sack of shit. Like, he doesn't understand. Tara: [49:07] Obviously, I'm not saying that it was justified in this case, but, like, revolution is a complicated issue. And Aaron Sorkin is not up to the task of talking about it. And still isn't. And it's even worse. It looks even worse now to watch this bullshit. Guest: [49:22] And certainly not, like, something that you churn out. I mean, September 11th happened on September 11th. Tara: [49:27] Right. Guest: [49:27] Spoiler. And this episode aired, what was it, like, October 1st? Something third. Sarah: [49:32] Yeah. Guest: [49:33] Third. Okay. So they had to write, edit, shoot. post and like finish this episode in an absurdly small amount of time and why anyone would think that they could handle an issue like this right like rushed yes crazy to me like yeah and and it's so not only is he is he already is sort of suffering from the myopia of the times if you want to yes you know that he also just he you're right he kind of crowned himself the voice of the the i'm the professor that the nation really wants right now yeah and um and you're going to turn to me for comfort and understanding. And it's like, but this is something that was fresh. Like you have no perspective on this. Why are you rushing something that needs perspective? It almost it needs to be viewed with hindsight and analyzed with hindsight. Tara: [50:14] Absolutely. This is the emergency podcast episode of the West Wing. It's like no one needed you to weigh in on this. Like it's it's fine. Your show exists in a fictional universe where, you know, current events did not occur. Like, this is also the guy who was able to fantasy cast a democratic administration and his big issue for like, I believe most of season three was social security reform. Like, fuck off. Fuck all the way off. Sarah: [50:40] I also wanted to mention that given how close, like, he must have started working on this, like, at five in the morning on September 12th. Tara: [50:48] Yeah. Sarah: [50:49] So, like, as close as it aired to actual events, it started production even closer. And it's about terrorism. And there is not a single character on screen at any time who is terrified or even concerned. Tara: [51:06] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [51:06] That they're in a White House lockdown, which also in the dining room, lol. They're not. That's not where they are. But yeah, it just would rather have been condescending than accurate, I feel. Right. Tara: [51:20] And one more thing before I hand it off to Dave, the fact that Martin Sheen as Bartlett is only in like half a scene made me wonder what negotiations happened off screen with him as well, since he's pretty famously a leftist activist. And I would love to know how much he signed off on the content of this episode. yeah. Dave: [51:40] All right. I'm just going to go over things nobody else has talked about. So this will be short. First of all, the song at the end, the equivalent is, do you remember back in the 70s, the really famous Coke ad with, I think his name is Mean Joe Green, the football player, where the kid is in the, you know, the entrance hall into the field and he's eventually throws in the kid, the towel and the kid's so fucking happy and everything's great. And heroes, you know, were solidified. This is basically the equivalent of that. That's what Aaron Sorgan's trying to do he's trying to me don't green the end of it we're like we tied so much shit little guys and now you're like you're all set you're welcome you know that's what i felt like totally the second thing is um i want to play match game for a second so everybody write down your answers. Tara: [52:22] Answer the following question thanks islamic. Dave: [52:28] Extremist is to islamic as blank is to christianity All right. Get ready to present your answers. I'm going to say boobs. Here we go. Sarah D. Bunting. What do you got? Sarah: [52:41] In the butt, Bob. Tara: [52:44] Tara. Dumb Dora. Dave: [52:47] Heather. Tara: [52:48] The recurring character on Match Game. Guest: [52:50] Shitting in a dustpan. Dave: [52:52] No boobs. No matches. Dang. there is a part right at the start when the crash event is what they call it in the episode when it's on lockdown is triggered i guess because there is a terrorist person of interest that they say and i think they is ron butterfield is that his name this the secret service guy says cross from ontario into vermont and now like uh-oh he's here what happens there is no border between Ontario and Vermont. Sarah: [53:23] Nope, there sure isn't. Guest: [53:26] He also says LaGuardia. But he doesn't have a New York accent in any other scene. So I'm like, where'd that art go? Just wondering. Dave: [53:34] It wasn't clipped. And I would have clipped it if I didn't know it was going to be clipped. But there's also Josh's deranged death penalty alternative. Tara: [53:41] Oh, my God. Yes. Dave: [53:42] Where you do everything up to kill him. He's like the Batman of leftist views of the death penalty, which is, I'm not going to kill you, but I am going to pulp you into an inch of your life and leave you for dead. But you will not die is the weirdest, violent, lefty crime and punishment scenario. I ever dreamed of. And it is like, this show is like a Clintonian fantasy fest at heart. And then there's this weird sort of like dark streak mirror universe episode where everybody has a goatee. It's so off-putting, the whole thing. The one part that I enjoyed is that I was reminded that in 2001, Minute Maid Soda had the dumbest design on their cans. It's like the air guitar of Pop Can. Minute Maid is all like scratchy and crazy font. And like, there's like a leopard pattern on the can and shit. What were you thinking, Minute Maid? Jesus Christ. I mean, that alone is worthy of the no neck. Nevermind all this other 9-11 nonsense in this episode. So those are my incredibly keen contributions to our discussion. Let's make this official. Let's put it to the vote. Heather, we're talking about West Wing Season 3, Episode 00, the liminal weird pocket universe episode, Isaac and Ishmael. No-knack worthy or not? Guest: [55:00] No-knack worthy for sure. Dave: [55:02] And Tara? Tara: [55:03] The no-knackiest thing we may have ever considered, to be honest. Dave: [55:06] It really is the poster child for don't do this again, please. Sarah: [55:11] No. Dave: [55:12] Sarah, do you want traditional? Do you want karaoke version or do you want bonanza version? Tara: [55:17] Oh. Sarah: [55:18] We've done bonanza before. Yeah, it's tempting, but I'm going to go traditional. It's my day. Bye. All right. Dave: [55:58] That means the West Wing Season 3 Episode Question Mark, Isaac and Ishmael, you are hereby inducted into the Extra Hot Great Nonac. Ha ha ha! Sarah: [56:41] No american lover and will. Tara: [56:46] Not tolerate illusion all. Dave: [56:48] Right it's time to discuss the winner and loser of the week sarah has this week's winner. Sarah: [56:53] Uh the winner is me because i never tire of hearing traditional no neck theme my real winner however is sanrio character my melody uh getting a stop motion series at netflix i hope this means that choco cat will also be getting one because i I already have a lot of Choco Cat shit in my house still for some reason, even though I'm 51 years old. Dave: [57:16] I was going to say, remember when everybody had a favorite Sandrio character and you had to know because otherwise you'd be caught flat-footed in a discussion about Sandrio characters? Who's the brown guy with the stumpy lintons that has like the pointed teeth mouth guy? Tara: [57:30] Oh, that's cool. Isn't he a... Dave: [57:32] He's not Sandrio? Tara: [57:34] No, he's like the logo for a... Dave: [57:38] Oh, he's like a city mascot? Tara: [57:39] No, I think he's for a network. Dave: [57:40] Oh, okay. Tara: [57:42] Kumumon, maybe? Dave: [57:43] Okay, but that's the guy I like. He looks like a chocolate bar with angry, smiley teeth. Tara: [57:47] Kumamon is a bear. Sarah: [57:48] Oh, yeah. Tara: [57:48] I know who you're talking about. I'll look it up. Dave: [57:51] Tara, who is our loser of the week? Tara: [57:53] The Chrisley family continues their reign of terror. This time, it's the son, Chase, who's been accused of assaulting a staffer after becoming disrespectful and belligerent, aka probably drunk, allegedly, that's just my guess, at a sports bar in Atlanta. I guarantee he demanded to know, don't you know who I am? While he was being asked to leave the premises. All of these people need to fall in a hole. I'm so sick of hearing about all of them. Like, truly. I know I'm part of the problem by bringing it up, but fuck this guy. Fuck this family. Sarah: [58:23] Grizzly. Dave: [58:26] Dumokun. Tara: [58:27] That's it. Dave: [58:28] Dumokun is a brown furry Japanese character with big teeth and a wide mouth. He is the mascot of Japan's public broadcaster, NHK. Tara: [58:35] Yes. Dave: [58:36] And now you know. speaking about knowing do you know what time it is. Dave: [58:51] Welcome back to Game Time. It's the second game of the season. Sarah is on top of the leaderboard, everybody else looking to get on it. Today, we are playing Where Credit Is Due from Mr. Dan Casino. Dan, you've got Dino! Who earns himself an extra credit topic of his choosing, plus a bespoke item he's probably never going to be able to use in a professional setting. Dr. Casino writes, In these games, we're always guessing shows by their cast members. But what about the lesser known folks shunted off into the parts of the credit get real, real small at the end of the show? In this game, I'll give you the names and often distinctive job titles of five members of the crew from a show currently on the air. You have to get the show. You can guess after each crew member or say next clue if you have no idea and just want to move on. As I said, all shows are currently on the air, at least as of the end of 2024, a couple of weeks ago. and we include both scripted and reality programming today. No steel mills, no challenge zones. Let's go straight to Piggy to see who's going first. We will start with valued guest. All right, that means Heather is in the hot seat and then we're going to go to Sarah and then Tara. 30 questions. Are we ready to play where credit is due? Guest: [1:00:07] Yes, let's do it. Dave: [1:00:08] All right, here we go. Heather, your first crew title. Home Economist Victoria Onions. Tara: [1:00:16] A real name. Dave: [1:00:18] Home Economist Victoria Onions. Guest: [1:00:21] Home Economist. Dave: [1:00:21] Yes. So quickly guess the show or move on to the next hint. Guest: [1:00:24] Move on to the next clue. Dave: [1:00:26] Psychotherapist Lynn Greenwood. Guest: [1:00:31] Oh, and it has to be a show that was on the air? Dave: [1:00:33] Is on the air. Currently no longer canceled. Still in contention to be an ongoing problem. Guest: [1:00:37] All right, give me one more, please. Dave: [1:00:39] Challenge producer Tallulah Radula Scott. Guest: [1:00:42] Oh, my God. This is not going in the direction I thought it was going to go. Dave: [1:00:47] You can guess at every level. You don't just get one guess. You can guess every time. Guest: [1:00:51] Okay. Big Brother. Dave: [1:00:54] Presenter, Noel Fielding. Tara: [1:00:57] I was right. Guest: [1:00:58] Oh, Great British Bake Off or Baking Show? Dave: [1:01:01] Great British Bake Off. Good for two points. Two points at that. Nicely done. Your last clue was Judge Paul Hollywood. To Sarah. Main title rotoscope artist, Didin Jahiden. Sarah: [1:01:14] Main title rotoscope artist, The Amazing Race. Dave: [1:01:20] Oboist, Josh Plotner. Tara: [1:01:22] Love it. Sarah: [1:01:27] Is this Benson? Dave: [1:01:30] Production supervisor, LA Unit, Taylor Billisley. Billisley. Sarah: [1:01:39] Uh, Survivor. Dave: [1:01:42] Driving double for Jane Lynch, Bobby McFarlane. Driving double for Jane Lynch. Sarah: [1:01:51] Only Murders in the Building? Dave: [1:01:53] Only Murders in the Building. Also good for two points. Tutara. Tara: [1:01:57] Yes. Dave: [1:01:58] Psychologist slash medic, Liza Siegel. Tara: [1:02:02] Survivor. Dave: [1:02:04] Five-point answer. Base camp assistant, marine manager, Contestant coordinator, personal assistant to Mark Burnett. Tara: [1:02:12] My God. Dave: [1:02:13] Back to Heather. Chief meteorologist Richard Wild. Guest: [1:02:21] Just give me another one. Dave: [1:02:22] Russian language coach Fabian Njarik. Guest: [1:02:26] Russian language coach? Dave: [1:02:28] Russian language coach. Guest: [1:02:30] Oh my God. Nope. Give me another one. I can't even guess. Dave: [1:02:36] Soki Okanedo body double Storm Stewart. Storm Stewart. Guest: [1:02:41] I know who she is, and I don't know what she's in right now, so give me another one. Dave: [1:02:46] Based on the book by Mick Heron. Guest: [1:02:50] Not going to get this either. What's the one that's... Screw it. Just keep giving them to me. Dave: [1:02:54] Last clue is assistant to Mr. Oldman, Lev Wallach. Guest: [1:02:59] Is it slow horses? Dave: [1:03:00] It is slow horses. Good for a single point at the end. Guest: [1:03:02] See, I don't watch that. Damn it. All right. Tara: [1:03:04] She, her character, I don't know if it's a wig or her real hair, but Sofia Canedo in that role has like long, beautiful, like salt and pepper hair. She looks incredible. Guest: [1:03:14] This is me being punished for failing to do what I thought I was going to do and start watching that show. Tara: [1:03:19] It's really good. Dave: [1:03:20] Okay, back to Sarah. Prop maker Brian Sullivan. Sarah: [1:03:25] Prop maker Brian Sullivan. For all mankind. Dave: [1:03:35] Studio engineer, Les Coiler. Tara: [1:03:38] A guy in the pit wishes he was leaving less coilers in that dustpan. Am I right? Sarah: [1:03:43] Oh. Dave: [1:03:48] That's worth like five day points. Sarah: [1:03:51] Yeah. Guest: [1:03:51] Great. Dave: [1:03:52] All right. Tara: [1:03:53] I'll make the joke, but I'll just say for the record, I know it's fewer coilers. Dave: [1:03:59] All right, Sarah. Sarah: [1:04:00] Next one, please. Dave: [1:04:01] Access Coordinator Dan Edge Access Coordinator Access Coordinator. Sarah: [1:04:11] Oh, God. I don't know. Taskmaster. Dave: [1:04:13] Taskmaster is correct. Tara: [1:04:15] Hey! Dave: [1:04:16] That was for three points. Sarah: [1:04:18] Thanks, buddy. Dave: [1:04:19] We had tasks. Guest: [1:04:20] Wow. Dave: [1:04:20] Task consultant, Tim Key, and executive producer, Alex Horn. Tara: [1:04:24] Waiting for you. Sarah: [1:04:25] Tara. Guest: [1:04:25] You guys are good at this. Dave: [1:04:27] Language consultant, David J. Peterson. Tara: [1:04:30] The Americans. Dave: [1:04:32] Intimacy coordinator, Miriam Lucia. Tara: [1:04:36] Are you sure it's not the Americans? Uh, language and intimacy. Hmm. Dave: [1:04:44] I want to fuck you. What? Tara: [1:04:46] Westworld. Dave: [1:04:50] Standby armorer, Megan Byrne. Tara: [1:04:52] Oh. The boys? Dave: [1:04:58] Horsemaster, Tom Cox. Tara: [1:05:00] Horsemaster? Dave: [1:05:01] No relation with an ex. Guest: [1:05:04] Oh. Dave: [1:05:05] Yeah, those guys, right? Trying to be all fancy and shit. Tara: [1:05:07] House of the Dragon. Dave: [1:05:09] Correct. Two points. Your last clue was Matt Smith's body double. Guest: [1:05:13] I just go blank. You guys are so good at this. Dave: [1:05:16] Heather. Guest: [1:05:16] Okay. Yeah. Dave: [1:05:18] Medical consultant, Karen Lisa Pike. Guest: [1:05:21] Gray's anatomy. Dave: [1:05:22] You are correct. Five points. Guest: [1:05:25] I almost guessed the pit just to do it. I'm so glad I ignored myself. Dave: [1:05:29] Sarah. Canadian casting associate, Rebecca Davison. Sarah: [1:05:34] God. Tara: [1:05:36] I mean, that truly could be anything. Yeah. Sarah: [1:05:41] Oh, God. I don't... Yeah, I don't... I don't know. Dave: [1:05:46] All right, move on. Sarah: [1:05:46] 9-1-1. Dave: [1:05:48] Head chef Soren Tambor. Sarah: [1:05:54] Chopped Canada? Dave: [1:05:57] U.S. casting Josh Robike. Robike. Sarah: [1:06:03] Iron Chef? Dave: [1:06:07] Stunt double for Juliette Lewis, Maja Oral. Sarah: [1:06:14] Yellow Jackets? Dave: [1:06:15] Yes, Yellow Jackets. Dan wanted me to point out he put in Head Chef as your second clip. Tara: [1:06:20] Nice. Sarah: [1:06:21] Head Chef. Guest: [1:06:22] That's grim. I love it. Sarah: [1:06:24] Top stand. Tara: [1:06:25] Yes. Dave: [1:06:26] Medical consultant Britt Sanborn. That was medical consultant. Tara: [1:06:34] What other shows are there? Oh, these are all the shows that are still on? Dave: [1:06:37] Yep. Currently aired or not yet canceled. Tara: [1:06:41] St. Dennis Medical. Dave: [1:06:43] Helicopter pilot Aaron Fitzgerald. Tara: [1:06:46] 9-1-1. Dave: [1:06:46] 9-1-1, correct. Four points. Sarah: [1:06:48] Nice. Dave: [1:06:49] Back to Heather with associate story producer Connor Stewart Falk. Quite. Guest: [1:06:59] The Bachelor slash et. Dave: [1:07:01] Travel manager, Amy Rose. Guest: [1:07:06] I mean, it feels... The traders. Dave: [1:07:10] Underwater camera operator, Brent Freeberg. Guest: [1:07:15] Play Freeberg. I don't watch the show, The Challenge. Dave: [1:07:21] Financial controller for Federation Spain, Vanessa Alion. Guest: [1:07:26] Oh my God, I don't even know. Deal or no deal island. Dave: [1:07:29] Finally. Charter guest casting producer, Tracy Sinclair. Charter guest casting producer, Tracy Sinclair. Guest: [1:07:38] Oh, is this? I don't watch this either. Is it one of the below decks? Yep. Dave: [1:07:41] Below deck, we'll take that. Guest: [1:07:42] Below deckier? Okay, good. Dave: [1:07:44] Sarah. Tara: [1:07:45] Nice. Dave: [1:07:46] Pyrotechnic foreman, Gary Kleinstuber. Sarah: [1:07:51] Oh. Tara: [1:07:51] Yeah. Sarah: [1:07:53] Of the kind of bunk port, Kleinstubers. Dave: [1:07:55] We lit it on fire and it goes boom. Sarah: [1:07:58] It does go boom a lot. It's marvelous. Dave: [1:08:02] Sorry, what was your guess? Tara: [1:08:04] The diplomat. Sarah: [1:08:05] The diplomat. Dave: [1:08:07] That sounds like that dirty joke. The diplomat. Sarah: [1:08:10] The diplomat. That's what I was going for. Dave: [1:08:13] Fight coordinator, Tyler Williams. Sarah: [1:08:17] Bootlander. Dave: [1:08:20] Supersuit supervisor, Michelle Magolas. Sarah: [1:08:25] Supersuit supervisor. It's still on. Supergirl? Dave: [1:08:33] Based on the comic by Garth Ennis and Derrick Robertson. Sarah: [1:08:38] The boys. Dave: [1:08:39] The boys. Butcher Stunt Double was the fifth. Clue. Tara: [1:08:43] So that was two points. Dave: [1:08:44] That was two points, correct. To Tara. Tara: [1:08:47] Yes. Dave: [1:08:48] Travel and Accommodation Coordinator, Naomi Regrante. Tara: [1:08:52] Well, now I have to ask the Bachelor slash ad. Dave: [1:08:56] Military advisor Paul Biddis. Getting down to Biddis. Tara: [1:09:03] Special Forces colon World's Toughest Test. Dave: [1:09:07] A repeat performance by intimacy coordinator Miriam Lucia. Tara: [1:09:11] Oh my. Dave: [1:09:13] I want to fuck you in the army. Tara: [1:09:15] Okay. So it's a scripted show with military aspects. Sarah: [1:09:19] Get out. Tara: [1:09:21] Oh God. I don't know any fucking shows. Sarah: [1:09:24] And boning. Tara: [1:09:25] Is this the diplomat? Dave: [1:09:27] It is the diplomat. Tara: [1:09:28] Oh, my God. Dave: [1:09:29] Dialect coach for Rufus and stand in for Carrie. Sarah: [1:09:33] Wow. Dave: [1:09:33] All right. Here's everybody's last question before we hit the score break halfway through. This is for Heather. We've got stock footage researcher Jodi Trippi. Guest: [1:09:44] Oh, my God. Let's go with. Dave: [1:09:48] Can I just before you answer? You've definitely watched this show. Tara: [1:09:52] Okay. Guest: [1:09:53] Have I? Dave: [1:09:54] Yeah. Guest: [1:09:54] And it's still on. Dave: [1:09:55] Remember that. These are all current shows. Guest: [1:09:57] The Traitors. Dave: [1:10:00] Prosthetic makeup artist Douglas Noe. Guest: [1:10:05] I'm going to overthink this, aren't I? Who says... Just give me another one. Dave: [1:10:10] All right. Military consultant James Dever. Guest: [1:10:14] Oh, no. This can't be right. NCIS. I have not watched that show, by the way. Dave: [1:10:24] Photo double for Ted Kennedy, Jeffrey Ashkin. Guest: [1:10:31] Um, I don't know. For All Mankind. Dave: [1:10:34] For All Mankind is correct. Tara: [1:10:36] Okay. Dave: [1:10:37] You brought us the For All Mankind canon episode. Hi, Bob. Your last clue was created by Ronald D. Moore. Guest: [1:10:44] I just go blank. Dave: [1:10:46] Sarah. Sarah: [1:10:47] Yes. Dave: [1:10:48] Legal technical consultant, Brian Distance. I know you can't see him. He's way over there. Sarah: [1:10:56] Wait. Yeah. Trailers sway on the edge of the lot. Matlock. Dave: [1:11:01] My favorite entry of this game, Baby Wrangler, Renee Fishman. Tara: [1:11:06] Oh, that's a hard job. They do resist wrangling. Sarah: [1:11:10] Yeah, they sure do. Elspeth. Dave: [1:11:15] Intimacy Coordinator, Joey Basil. Hey, you can't fuck there. Get out of here. Tara: [1:11:23] Hey, I'm fucking here. Sarah: [1:11:24] It's a wagle. Just ask the consultant. Oh, geez. So we have intimacy coordinator, legal, and what was the... Dave: [1:11:36] Baby Wrangler. How can you forget baby Wrangler? Sarah: [1:11:38] Oh, right. Baby Wrangler. Dave: [1:11:39] Wait a second. Wait a second, Michael. Wait, wait, wait. Legal technical consultant by a distance. Baby Wrangler, Renee Fishman. Sarah: [1:11:47] Right. Dave: [1:11:48] Intimacy coordinator, Joey Basil. Tara: [1:11:50] There's babies and there's fucking. Sarah: [1:11:57] Well, there's law, babies, and fucking. Hmm. Dave: [1:12:01] All right. Guess our next clue. Sarah: [1:12:03] Uh, next clue. Dave: [1:12:06] Stand in for BD Wong, Nick Sakai. Sarah: [1:12:09] Oh, what is BD Wong on right now? Next clue. Dave: [1:12:13] Makeup artist for Mariska Hargitay, Dina Sviliak. Sarah: [1:12:19] There's a Baby Wrangler. Okay. Law and Order SVU. Dave: [1:12:23] That's good for one point. Baby Wrangler. Baby Wrangler. Ding, ding. Last question. Tara: [1:12:30] That's where they get their jeans. Dave: [1:12:30] Before we get to our score break. Tara: [1:12:31] Yes. Dave: [1:12:32] Tara. Audience warmup, Ruben Irvin. Tara: [1:12:36] The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. Dave: [1:12:39] Game engineer, Holly Carter. Tara: [1:12:43] The Price is Right. Dave: [1:12:46] Announcer, Joey Fatone. Tara: [1:12:54] Ellen's Game of Games. Dave: [1:12:56] Contest Coordinator Rebecca Pestelli. Tara: [1:13:02] The Masked Singer. Dave: [1:13:05] Personal Makeup Artist Mr. Harvey Jason McLaughlin, Family Feud Family Feud is good for one point at the end Let's get our halfway point scores please That's pretty close. Tara: [1:13:19] Sarah has nine. Heather has 11. I have 15. Dave: [1:13:22] All right, let's get back to it. Everybody has five more questions. Going back to Heather with researcher Sarah Beach. Guest: [1:13:31] Okay. Bridgerton. Tara: [1:13:34] Great guess. Dave: [1:13:36] Game board operator Michelle Lee Hampton. Guest: [1:13:39] The floor. Tara: [1:13:42] Another amazing guess. Dave: [1:13:44] Senior contestant coordinator Glenn Kagan. Guest: [1:13:47] Oh lord. Wheel of Fortune? Dave: [1:13:51] Clue crew member, Jimmy McGuire. Guest: [1:13:56] Oh, Jeopardy? Dave: [1:13:57] Jeopardy is correct for two points. Last clue was production coordinator, Nikki Trebek. Nikki Trebek. Tara: [1:14:03] Oh, cute. Guest: [1:14:04] Oh. Dave: [1:14:05] This is question 17. Tara: [1:14:07] That's pretty cool. Sarah: [1:14:08] That's pretty cool. Dave: [1:14:09] For Sarah. Police coordinator, Rob Porter. Sarah: [1:14:15] Police coordinator. Eh. The rookie. Dave: [1:14:21] Stunt driver, Victor Quintero. Atlanta casting, Tara Feldstein. Sarah: [1:14:34] The Real Housewives of Atlanta. Lock them up. Dave: [1:14:41] Hairstylist for Dana Delaney, Kent Nelson. Sarah: [1:14:44] I don't know what she's on. Army Wives. Tara: [1:14:49] You probably stopped watching before she showed up. Dave: [1:14:51] Last clue. Sylvester Stallone photo double Chad Gregory. Sarah: [1:14:56] Oh, yeah. Tulsa King. Dave: [1:14:58] Tulsa King. Good for one at the end. Tatara. Tara: [1:15:01] Yes. Dave: [1:15:02] Croatia production supervisor Damir Kovovic. Sorry, Novovic. Tara: [1:15:09] Okay, it's a show that's still on. Is this like Rings of Power? Dave: [1:15:15] Military advisor Paul Biddis. He's back and he's getting down to double the Biddis. Tara: [1:15:20] Not enough with the military. Sarah: [1:15:23] Big bid dis. Tara: [1:15:25] Military in Croatia. Oh, man. I don't know. Give me the next one. Dave: [1:15:32] Immigration assistant Armand Prihoda. Tara: [1:15:36] Next. Dave: [1:15:38] Consulting producer Frederick Forsyth. Tara: [1:15:40] Next. Dave: [1:15:42] French language coach for Eddie Redmayne, Fabian Njarik. Tara: [1:15:46] He's back. Day of the Jackal. Dave: [1:15:48] Day of the Jackal. Good for one point. Alright, this is question... It is for Heather. We have for you, contestant coordinator Erin Ruse. I don't appreciate your Erin Ruse, ma'am. Guest: [1:16:04] I guess I'll do the bachelorette-ish again. Dave: [1:16:10] Researcher Marnie Griesbach. Guest: [1:16:13] I guess I'll go with the floor again. Dave: [1:16:18] Executive assistant to Jerry Bruckheimer Orna Banri. Guest: [1:16:23] Oh, no. What shows does he have on right now? Tara: [1:16:28] If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's been mentioned in this. Dave: [1:16:30] It's been mentioned many times. Tara: [1:16:31] Yes. Guest: [1:16:32] I know. I can't remember if he's... I can't remember if he's NCIS, but I'll just say it. Oh, that's not contestants. Oh, well, whatever. I just said it. Dave: [1:16:40] All right. Botswana Crew, Jeff Rice. I think there might be something missing there, but Botswana Crew something, Jeff Rice. Guest: [1:16:49] Oh, God. Did he do... I don't know. The challenge. Dave: [1:16:55] Pit stop coordinator, Jennifer White. Guest: [1:16:58] I can't believe. The Amazing Race. Dave: [1:16:59] Amazing Race. Good for one point at the end. Guest: [1:17:01] I can't believe I didn't think of that one. Dave: [1:17:03] Sarah. Armorer. Graham Humphrey. Armorer. Sarah: [1:17:08] Armorer. Dave: [1:17:09] Yeah. Sarah: [1:17:10] Hardly even know her. House of the Dragon. Dave: [1:17:13] That's already been an answer. Just to save you that for the future. Sarah: [1:17:18] Doesn't mean I won't use it again. Keep going. Dave: [1:17:20] Fair enough. Visual effects for Amazon Studios Page Procup. Procup. Sarah: [1:17:30] Jack Reacher. Dave: [1:17:33] I'll accept that. The show is just Reacher, but that is the show. Four points. Fight Arranger, based on the novel by Lee Child. Stunt double for Alan Rich... Rich... Richson? Tara: [1:17:45] Yep. Dave: [1:17:46] Boy, I want to add letters to that name so bad. Okay, Tara. Tara: [1:17:50] Yep. Dave: [1:17:50] Stunt driver, Bruce Crawford. Tara: [1:17:53] Hmm. Next. Dave: [1:17:56] Location scout, Brian McGee. fake name. Tara: [1:18:02] Next. Dave: [1:18:03] Based on the novel by Jeffrey Deaver. Tara: [1:18:08] The night agent? Dave: [1:18:11] Animal coordinator, Jamie Payton. Tara: [1:18:16] Pingu. Dave: [1:18:19] Stunt double for Justin Hartley, Jordan Davis. Tara: [1:18:22] Tracker. Tracker. Dave: [1:18:23] Reacher than Tracker. Back to Heather with set teacher Jessica Phelps. Guest: [1:18:30] Abbott Elementary. Tara: [1:18:32] Great guess. Dave: [1:18:34] Creature animator Evie Sodeo. Guest: [1:18:38] Stranger Things. Dave: [1:18:39] Stranger Things is correct. Tara: [1:18:40] Four points. Oh, nice. Guest: [1:18:42] Woohoo! Dave: [1:18:42] Sarah. Alberta unit manager Gary Lorimer. Alberta unit manager. Sarah: [1:18:51] Alberta unit manager. Next. Dave: [1:18:54] Prosthetic makeup artist, Jennifer Buck. Sarah: [1:19:01] Black doves. Dave: [1:19:03] American sign language consultant, CJ Jones. Sarah: [1:19:08] I don't know. Next one. Dave: [1:19:11] Male clicker voice, Philip Kovacs. Sarah: [1:19:14] I don't know. Next. Dave: [1:19:16] Personal trainer for Pedro Pascal, David Higgins. Sarah: [1:19:21] Oh, shit. Which one is he in? oh no that's not the right one it's mandalorian. Dave: [1:19:31] No anybody know it. Tara: [1:19:32] Yeah it's the last of us and i i have to say i knew it from the first one because when the show was on the first season they like the alberta tourism council would send out a blast after every new episode to be like we're so excited come see. Dave: [1:19:48] All the mushrooms Alberta has to offer. Tara: [1:19:51] Yep. Dave: [1:19:52] Tara. Master electrician, Heath Eastman. Tara: [1:19:58] The floor. Dave: [1:19:59] Plumbing and heating consultant, Richard Trethway. Tara: [1:20:04] Extreme makeover, home edition. Dave: [1:20:07] Mason, Mark McCullough. Tara: [1:20:12] What other shows are about people redoing their house? Property Brothers? Dave: [1:20:17] Landscape contractor Roger Cook. Tara: [1:20:23] Flip or flop? Dave: [1:20:26] Host Bob Vila. Tara: [1:20:28] Oh, This Old House. Dave: [1:20:29] This Old House. You forgot who made the quiz. Tara: [1:20:31] I did, but I also didn't know that, even though I didn't think of it as being still on, even though I shouldn't know. Dave: [1:20:37] Dan told that whole story last year about them shooting This Old House in his neighborhood. Tara: [1:20:42] Yes, I know. That's my bet. Dave: [1:20:44] All right. You ready, Heather? Guest: [1:20:46] As ready as I'll be. Dave: [1:20:47] We've got Copenhagen Unit production designer Tone Nielsen. Fake name. Guest: [1:20:53] The Bear. Dave: [1:20:55] Correct. Tara: [1:20:56] Five points. Sarah: [1:20:57] Yeah. Dave: [1:20:59] Disability consultant, culinary consultant, Chicago casting, and story. Tara: [1:21:04] Gorgeous. Dave: [1:21:05] Back to Sarah. Head stage manager Debbie Williams. Keep in mind, And we've already dispensed with the head jokes of Yellow Jackets before. Sarah: [1:21:15] Gotcha. Dave: [1:21:15] Head stage manager. Sarah: [1:21:17] Masked singer. Dave: [1:21:20] Band coordinator, Debra Chase. Sarah: [1:21:24] Saturday Night Live. Dave: [1:21:27] Rehearsal actor, Magi Lokes. Sarah: [1:21:31] Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. Dave: [1:21:34] Celebrity talent coordinator, Paula Whitenack. Sarah: [1:21:38] Who's left? Jimmy Kimmel, whatever his show is called. Dave: [1:21:42] Miami Editions Production Assistant, Chanra Lee. Headstage Manager, Band Coordinator, Rehearsal Actor, Celebrity Talent Coordinator, Miami Editions Production Assistant. Sarah: [1:21:57] Oh, Shogun. Dave: [1:22:01] Daypoint. Tara: [1:22:03] Thank you. Dave: [1:22:04] American Idol was the answer we were like. Sarah: [1:22:06] Oh. Dave: [1:22:07] Tara. Sarah: [1:22:07] Oh, Jesus, I forgot that creaky old bitch was still on. Dave: [1:22:11] Fox Studio Assistant Chief Lighting Technician Giovanni Zelko. Tara: [1:22:16] I mean, I now have to do it. The floor? Okay. Guest: [1:22:20] All day. Dave: [1:22:21] Ireland Production Coordinator Christina Pulber. Tara: [1:22:24] Oh, is this name that tune? Dave: [1:22:28] Philadelphia Production Coordinator Jennifer Maron. Tara: [1:22:33] Um, is it like, don't forget the lyrics? Fuck. Dave: [1:22:39] Double for Glenn Howerton, Danny Donnelly. Tara: [1:22:43] For Glenn Howerton? What? Oh, okay. It's always sunny in Philadelphia? Yep. What are they doing in Ireland? Dave: [1:22:55] Probably there was one episode that went to Ireland for some reason because they have Patty's Pub, and then that is Hooper coordinated all that shit. Sarah: [1:23:02] Two points. Dave: [1:23:04] Everybody's last question coming at you, so let's get the scores. Tara: [1:23:07] Okay. Sarah D. Bunting has 14. I have 20. Heather has 22. Dave: [1:23:13] All right. Sarah: [1:23:13] Everybody has one question left. Dave: [1:23:16] Lots of room with these five-point answers, so don't get too comfortable. Heather, here is your last show, starting off with your first crew title. sequester manager Myra Montepio. Guest: [1:23:30] Okay. The Bachelorette-ish. Dave: [1:23:36] Caterer Andre Devantier. Guest: [1:23:39] The Traders. Dave: [1:23:41] Challenge producer Kat Sullivan. Guest: [1:23:45] I mean, the challenge. What's sequester though? Dave: [1:23:51] Assistant to culinary producer Paul Markham. Guest: [1:23:54] Top Chef. Dave: [1:23:55] Top Chef is good. Yes. And that was a two-point answer. Sarah. Guest: [1:24:00] Still room, guys. Dave: [1:24:03] Attorney Lindell Biederman. No, I'm sorry. I totally spoonerized that. Hang on a second. Attorney Linden Bierman Little. You can laugh at that. I don't know how I came up with that first one. I guess I have to leave it in now. Tara: [1:24:18] Adele Dizzi. Sarah: [1:24:22] Oh, God. What do you think that is? Dave: [1:24:24] Got an attorney involved. Sarah: [1:24:25] I don't, uh, attorney. I don't know what that is. The challenge. Dave: [1:24:29] This is like a person that, like, helps you out with legal stuff. But that's not important right now. Sarah: [1:24:33] Yeah, it really isn't. Dave: [1:24:35] Contestant coordinator making his triumphant second appearance. Connor Stewart Falk. Contestant coordinator. Tara: [1:24:42] Hell yeah. Sarah: [1:24:44] Contestant coordinator. The Masked Singer. Dave: [1:24:49] Business analyst Jason Hollander. Sarah: [1:24:52] The Floor. Dave: [1:24:55] Executive assistant to Mr. Burnett, Dan Passion. Tara: [1:25:00] That's quite the name. That's what I had when you announced this game. Dan Passion. Dave: [1:25:07] I'm going to take away any day points I gave you for that one. Tara: [1:25:09] Oh, no. Okay. Sarah: [1:25:11] Mr. Burnett. Has someone said Survivor? It doesn't matter. Dave: [1:25:14] It was already an answer. So you can guess something else. Sarah: [1:25:19] That Jesus-y show. Dave: [1:25:21] The Jesus-y show. Entrepreneur manager, Jillian Clare. Sarah: [1:25:27] What? Dave: [1:25:28] All right. Sarah: [1:25:28] Oh, this bitch. Shark Tank? Dave: [1:25:32] Shark Tank, yes. One point. Guest: [1:25:33] I had no idea that was Mark Burnett. Dave: [1:25:35] Tara. Tara: [1:25:35] Yes. Dave: [1:25:37] Cast Pilates trainer and nutritionist, David Higgins. Tara: [1:25:44] Cast Pilates instructor. Dave: [1:25:46] Yep, trainer, trainer. Tara: [1:25:48] Okay. Dave: [1:25:49] And nutritionist. Tara: [1:25:50] Okay, it's not physical, so I don't know. Keep going. Dave: [1:25:53] Stunt driver, Amanda Bradley. Tara: [1:25:55] A woman stunt driver. heard now i've heard everything next. Dave: [1:25:59] Production accountant for slovenia and spain and neil paddete. Tara: [1:26:04] Um is this rings of power u.s. Dave: [1:26:10] Unit production coordinator thomas ward um you know when he goes around the united states you know what they call him. Tara: [1:26:21] I still don't know give me the last one. Dave: [1:26:24] Stand in for Priyanka Chopra Jones, Coran Hassan. Priyanka Chopra Jones. Stand in. Tara: [1:26:34] Citadel. Dave: [1:26:35] Citadel, your favorite show. My favorite show. Sarah: [1:26:37] Now you got it. Dave: [1:26:38] Everybody's happy. Tara: [1:26:40] I totally forgot she was in. Dave: [1:26:42] End of regulation scores. Tara: [1:26:43] Okay. Sarah finished with 15. I had 21. Heather is our winner with 24. Dave: [1:26:50] Nicely done, Heather. You guys are so good at this. I don't know what I'm doing. Gotcha. Guest: [1:26:56] Well, I got the Grey's Anatomy luck there. Dave: [1:26:59] All right. Let's play the tiebreaker. Winner will get a free steel mill for future use. I have up to seven things, so I'm going to read them slowly. First person to guess the correct answer wins. You get one guess per name that I give out. Tara: [1:27:12] Okay. Dave: [1:27:13] Intimacy coordinator, Corin Evans. Guest: [1:27:17] Bridgerton. Dave: [1:27:18] Not Bridgerton. ice sculptor j brian holloway everybody can answer ice. Tara: [1:27:26] Sculptor the perfect couple. Dave: [1:27:28] Anybody else married. Sarah: [1:27:32] At first sight, rivals. Dave: [1:27:36] Dive master czar leal intimacy coordinator ice sculptor dive master. Sarah: [1:27:47] Ice Road Truckers? Dave: [1:27:50] Marine Coordinator, Troy Waters. Tara: [1:27:54] Succession? No, that's not on anymore. Fuck. Guest: [1:27:57] Rescue High Surf. Dave: [1:28:01] Underwater Director of Photography, Pete Romano. Hey, Deborah, sharks. Guest: [1:28:08] Ice Sculptures and Underwater. Tara: [1:28:11] And fucking. Guest: [1:28:13] And fucking. Sounds like a great show. Why am I not watching this show? Sarah: [1:28:18] Married at First Sea? Dave: [1:28:21] Second to last title. Stunt boat driver, Quentin Franco. Sarah: [1:28:27] Dr. Odyssey? Dave: [1:28:28] Dr. Odyssey is the correct answer. Guest: [1:28:30] That makes so much sense. Tara: [1:28:32] Great job. Guest: [1:28:32] It's not a great show, but it should be. Dave: [1:28:34] Good job, Sarah. Everybody definitely watches that one. All right, congratulations to our valued guest for today's week. Sarah: [1:28:41] Valued guest. Dave: [1:28:43] Valued guest. And that is it for another episode of Extra Hot Great. We triage the totally not ER sequel series, The Pit, where the extra T is for Extra Pit. Before going around the dial with stops at Switching Gears, The Traitors, The Summer I Turned Pretty, and The Breakthrough. Sarah walks us through the hallways of the West Wing to put Isaac and Ishmael into the Nonak. We crowned winners and losers of the week. And Heather was a winner of this week's Game Time from Dan. Next up, it's Scam Goddess on Extra Extra Hot Great. Remember. We're listening. I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tara Ariano. Tara: [1:29:25] So why is everybody trying to kill us? Dave: [1:29:27] Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:29:29] I dabble. Dave: [1:29:31] And Heather Cox. Guest: [1:29:33] A.K.A. Dan Passion. Dave: [1:29:35] Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time, right here on Extra Hot Great. Clip: [1:29:46] I want to go home.