How Long Will We Remember Doc?

Dave: [0:16] This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 544, for the week of January 6, 2025. I am the U in SUV sex break, David T. Cole. And I'm here with symbolic heart problem, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [0:36] I'm broken. Get it? Dave: [0:38] Talking Heads fan, Tara Ariano. Tara: [0:40] This is not my beautiful life, or is it? Dave: [0:42] And skull chunk clunk, Sarah Baker. Baker: [0:45] You fixed my brain, but I'm still a bitch. Tara: [0:51] Welcome to extra hot great for a new year joining us she is an actor a voice artist you've heard with us many times before it's Sarah Baker welcome back sarah yay. Baker: [1:06] Thank you for having me. Tara: [1:08] We're thrilled to have you to talk about doc in which amy Molly Parker, is the chief of internal medicine at a hospital in Minneapolis. She is so serious about her job that she is curt with her patients. Her attitude toward her colleagues ranges from dismissive to outright aggressive, exception noted, Jake, John Michael Ecker, with whom she's been having a secret affair for the past six months. On the day we meet her, Amy has been such a bitch to a patient named Felicia Turner that her boss sends her home for the day. Driving in the rain, Amy gets in a car accident. Getting an MRI the next day, techs are shocked to find out that she now thinks it's mid 2016, which means she doesn't remember that she is divorced or that her son died. Dave: [1:55] Or she doesn't even know who Baby Yoda is. Tara: [1:58] That's true. Baker: [2:00] More importantly. Tara: [2:03] There's a lot she doesn't know, and we don't have to get into all of it. The show was adapted from an Italian series by Barbie Kligman, formerly of such CBS shows as Code Black, FBI, and CSI New York, and Hank Steinberg, best known for creating Without a Trace. As you hear this, only one episode has aired so far on Fox. We got access to the whole season. TBD, if anyone watched ahead, I know two people who didn't, and they both live in my house. Let's do the Chen check-in. Should our listeners watch Doc? Sarah Baker. Baker: [2:36] Uh, probably not. Tara: [2:38] Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [2:40] Yeah, it's not necessary, but it's also not offensive. Tara: [2:44] Dave. Dave: [2:45] Yeah, it's perfectly generic. There's another way of saying what Sarah just said, and that's the way I'll put it. Tara: [2:50] Yeah, I'm not going to watch more. You know, if you like a doctor show, you can, but I think you're fine. Dave: [2:58] Not a lot of hospitaling, though, in this hospital show, I must say. Tara: [3:01] No, no. Dave: [3:02] Yeah, this could have been like, you know, at a real estate agency or something. Tara: [3:06] No, and also if you like a hospital show that has five billion characters, you're already watching Grey's Anatomy and you're fine. So let's drill down a little bit. Sarah Baker. Sarah: [3:16] As it were. Tara: [3:17] As it were. Ooh, too soon. Sarah Baker, last time you joined us here, we talked about Mr. and Mrs. Smith. I was curious then about the acting challenge of playing spies who have to adopt different personas. Molly Parker has a lighter lift here, but how did you think she did playing the current day bitchy Amy as well as flashback nice Amy. Baker: [3:37] Yeah, it's interesting. She was, in my opinion, she was definitely cast to play the icy, calculating, controlled version of the character, not the easy breezy version. And I think that's pretty apparent. And that's mostly what she's going to be doing. So smart choice on their part. She does the icy thing well. I have to say up front, I'm not familiar with this actress, though Bobby, my life partner, did notice that I have appeared on screen with her, but we didn't interact at all we were both we were both on an episode of goliath maybe she was on a ton of episodes um so we were in like a courtroom scene together but i don't know that we met or anything anyway so i went in totally blind on her and it seems like with a show like this obviously the goal is gonna be for her to grow and thaw and i don't know how likable or believable she's gonna be as like this warmer more caring version of herself maybe she will maybe that's right down her street and i just don't know her but like the family fun scene now granted that's really hard to do when you know a tragedy is coming right but it was so forced that it was almost hard to watch i felt it. Dave: [4:54] Was like stock footage yeah. Baker: [4:56] It was like pond. Dave: [4:58] Five you type in family at beach and that's the scene you get. Tara: [5:02] Yes. Baker: [5:02] Yeah. Sarah: [5:03] After the allergy meds. Tara: [5:06] Exactly. I was going to say, you're hearing someone give you all the side effects. Dave: [5:09] Yeah. Especially since they color graded it a certain way and the focus is a little soft. It's very much, it's 2 a.m. and there's something wrong with you. Maybe order these pills. Tara: [5:21] Yeah. Dave: [5:22] Absolutely. There's a little bit of that journey in her character in Deadwood. She's supposed to open up as she becomes closer to Seth, the sheriff in town. And there is very little difference in her portrayal between new to town bitch and I love you bitch. There's not a lot of difference there either. So I suspect that she will do well playing the no-nonsense doctor part and maybe not so much with the loving mom part of it. She's okay at being vulnerable, but she just doesn't really seem warm. Tara: [5:53] Right. Baker: [5:53] Yes. Tara: [5:54] I mean, to me, the iciness is very like, oh, because she's Canadian. Like, she's very reserved. You know what I mean? But I have to turn to our other Sarah, Sarah D. Bunting, because I feel like Molly Parker has sort of, especially in recent years, become like great value Carrie Coon. And since Carrie Coon is half of one of your favorite acting couples in TV, in the arts, I wanted to get your take on Molly Parker here. Sarah: [6:20] I don't. She's one of those actors who was on Deadwood that because I still have not gotten through Deadwood that I'm like, I'll take your word for it. And some of them you see in other stuff and you're like, oh, I see why people raved about you and others. You're like, well, I'm glad David Simon likes you, Kim, whatever your name is. I mean, she's, you know, she's fine, but there's a little like over indexing of some of these people. I think Molly Parker is okay. Like she's fine, but she was cast, I think, for that icy bitch lane. But then the show is, like we've said, going to want her to thaw, going to want her to, quote, grow. And first of all, I don't see why we need that journey. Is it because she's an ovarian American? I don't need, like, why can't she just have the same personality but not remember all the shitty things that she did and said? And then the show can kind of be about the questions that that raises, but it isn't because she's a woman. And also, it's a medical drama, and she, I guess, is going to start over and be medical dramatizing with the postage stamp-sized chunk missing from her skull while thawing and growing. Sarah: [7:39] And it's just like, I don't understand what this wants to do or who it's for. I mean, I think she is cast well for this confusing, boring brief of a show that when you're stuck at your parents in a snowstorm, they will be watching this and you won't hate it. But then you'll go home and you won't follow up. This does seem like a lot of acting firepower generally for a kind of first draft concept. Tara: [8:09] Well, that's the thing. It's a show that's built on two, three tropes, let's say. One is amnesia turns jerk into sweetie, which we've seen in Regarding Henry and Samantha Who. There's the trope of can you believe a doctor whose job is healing people is this much of an asshole, which we've seen in House. and many other shows. And then there's also woman realizes her choice to be good at her job ruined her life. Like Sarah was saying. Sort of like, you know, like pick one or pick none because they all kind of suck. Like, you know, I feel like this is three different bad shows in one, personally. Baker: [8:51] I also kind of feel like it's a weird choice. It seems what they're saying is she lost her son And so she became this closed off and cold person. And like, that seems like kind of a reasonable thing to happen if you lose your child. Tara: [9:07] Yes. Baker: [9:07] You know, like maybe not the healthiest, but I think you can forgive almost any reaction that a person has to losing their child. So I'm like, so what's going to happen here? Like, normally you'd want the protagonist to be overcoming some sort of, like, personal inner demons or toxic personality traits to become this new and improved person. But she just lost her kids. So what, are they going to have her remourn her son? Tara: [9:35] Right, right. Sarah: [9:36] Well, it's the thing. Like, now she has gone through these interpersonal trauma twice each. Yeah. But it's like, oh, yeah, we're not together. And P.S., guess who's not coming to visit you in the hospital? Like, okay, so then. Baker: [9:50] My God. Dave: [9:51] This is the worst Groundhog Day ever. Tara: [9:53] Yeah. Sarah: [9:54] Like, why? Exactly. But then why would she saw and grow when what made her a bitch before has now basically happened to her again? Dave: [10:03] Right. What if she becomes a super bitch? Baker: [10:06] Yeah. Sarah: [10:09] She's the Joker? Then I'll watch it. Dave: [10:12] Sure. Baker: [10:12] I mean, in her life before, too, it's like, okay, she didn't have a great relationship with her kid. it wasn't like she like normally again and i mean i guess maybe i'm glad that they're trying to do something different but normally it would be like oh she has like this wild nighttime life and like is living very dangerously and is using drugs or whatever yeah and now she's gonna reel all that in but it's like her life before was just like okay she doesn't have a great relationship with her daughter she got divorced but she has this other relationship and i don't and she's oh pretty good at her job maybe not the warmest but so i don't know what that's gonna look like or what they want it to look like yeah. Sarah: [10:54] We're not gonna find out sounds like. Baker: [10:56] That's great. That's a great point. Tara: [10:58] The other thing is, like I mentioned earlier, the pilot introduces, I'm going to say, approximately 50 of Amy's colleagues at the hospital. I had IMDb open for all her character names. I don't remember all of them. Was it too many? Anyone feel free to chime in because I felt like it definitely was. Baker: [11:19] Because we were going to be talking about it, I was taking notes and I was like, OK, this is a lot of people. And some of them are here, but we didn't get enough about them to even get what their thing is yet. Sarah: [11:31] I really felt like American TV and at least sort of procedural dramas maybe had been getting away a little bit from that. Like most of the cast is uniformly poreless, beautiful, sexless, 32 years old. But this went right back to that, that it's like, I mean, these are perfectly attractive people. Nobody was log-like in their delivery, but I had a lot of trouble distinguishing between or caring about them, with the exception of Scott Wolfe, which, like, I don't know what his heel-turn phase is about, but I'm not a fan. Make him a good guy. Dave: [12:07] Oh, really? That was of a character I kind of liked in this show, just because he was so cartoony. Sarah: [12:12] I mean, I liked his little streak, and then he's just, like, schemey and stuff like that, but it's like, well, I don't know. Dave: [12:18] But his scheming and his villainy, he's the eyes of the crocodile just above the water. Tara: [12:23] And he's just looking around. Dave: [12:24] You know, it's like, oh, how could I how could I make this happen to my advantage? So like when Doc gets in the car accident and the administrator calls him in and he's saying, you got to take over now. And he's like, yeah, you can just like see him rubbing his hands together. Just like immediately acting like he's been somebody's boss for 12 years, the way he talks. to them, was like, yeah, okay, I really got to handle him with this character. It's quite fast, and I thought he did a good job of it. Tara: [12:53] Yeah. He reminded me of, um, is it Jelko Ivanovic? I mean, he's done this in every show he's ever been in, but he was like the power behind the throne, and I can't remember if it was in Madam Secretary or Commander-in-Chief or possibly both. I forget which lady president show it was. Dave: [13:09] Then there's the crossover where they have to fight. Sarah: [13:13] And he's the designated survivor on 24. for while in the West Wing. Right. Tara: [13:19] Exactly. Yes, this is like, I didn't think that Scott Wolfe needed to have a Jelko Ivank era, but yes, like Dave, it was the only thing that I found very memorable about the show. I guess I give them credit for switching up the mystery box concept. So the mystery that she's trying to solve is like her life that she doesn't remember, but that's still not enough to hook me personally. And it seems like we agree. Baker: [13:44] Yeah, it feels like one of those shows to me, it goes in the box of like a million little things and the good doctor where like if it's if it's on after something else that I'm already watching and I accidentally leave it on too long and maybe I get sucked into the story of the week medical drama. Tara: [14:04] Yep. Baker: [14:04] I will watch the episode, but invariably then I think, oh, I'm kind of doing this every week. Maybe I like this show and I record it on my DVR because I'm an old woman. Tara: [14:16] Sure. Baker: [14:16] And then eventually there's six of them and I go, okay, I'm not watching this and I delete them. Or very rarely like Elsbeth, 911. I actually started watching from that, but otherwise it's just going to go away. Dave: [14:34] I will pay somebody out there that's listening to sort of like 1970s, 1980s textbook illustrate the cycle of TV life in Sarah's household. Big fat arrows, you know, like the old woman pressing the button on the VCR and then like going to sleep. And the next day there's like a whole stack of them right there. It's like, ah. Tara: [14:54] Yeah. Baker: [14:55] You recorded over my Matlock. Tara: [14:59] Old Matlock and new Matlock. The part you need to remember is, like, the best hope that Fox has for hooking you on this show is to air it after the floor. That's a fact I know about you. Baker: [15:10] Thank you. Thank you for putting me on blast. Oh, my God. The floor. Oof. Dave: [15:21] All right, it's time to go around the dial where we talk about things we've been watching recently on television. First stop, as always, Tara. Tara: [15:28] So speaking of Fox, they have a new sitcom that is called Going Dutch, which premiered last week. It is about an army colonel named Patrick Quinn, who is played by Dennis Leary. He makes a big gaffe that his commanding officer finds out about. So to punish him, he gets sent to run a service base in the Netherlands that is called Stroopsdorf. Unlike a combat base, this one just fulfills unglamorous functions like cheesemaking and laundry. And while Quinn is a Dennis Leary character, so that annoys him, he and his XO, Abraham Shaw, played by Danny Pudi. Tara: [16:01] Don't really get why sending him to this club med of a base is a punishment until they find out the current ranking officer is Captain Maggie Quinn, played by Taylor Mizziak, and she is the corporal's daughter, with whom his relationship is so bad that she cut off contact with him three years ago and he did not notice. I was really high on this show when I watched it. It has a very high joke density. The supporting roles are well cast. Leary is fine in his very narrow lane. But then everyone else's reviews came out last week, and they were very tepid. And I'm not going to go back and watch the episodes again that I watched to see if I still feel the same about it, although I am going to keep watching. But just in case you see the headline on my review at Cracked, which is, Going Dutch Deserves to be 2025's first comedy hit, and think I was on Molly? I want you to just be aware of the circumstances around my writing this review. Number one is that this was the last thing that I watched for crack before I went on a two-week break. Fox did not release screeners until the Friday before Christmas, and not even all of them. They dropped episode two the day before Christmas Eve, insane, which meant I had to watch them that day and then write my review on a Saturday. But even though I was annoyed about that, I found the show entertaining, and I couldn't understand why they held it back when critics were so long that it seemed kind of intentional, or I was just excited to file my review and I had like a general dopamine rush about it. Number two is the last thing I reviewed before Going Dutch was Shifting Gears, which is the new multicam show on ABC in which Tim Allen plays basically himself. Tara: [17:30] Something, something, classic, Cars, I don't care. And it's all going great for him and his employees until his estranged daughter, played by Kat Dennings, comes back into his life with her two kids. I will have more to say about that on the podcast next week. But it's possible that because Going Dutch which was much better than the show with the very similar premise that I've more time. Dave: [17:49] Making excuses for your review than you are. Tara: [17:51] Actually review. Jesus created it too much on a curve. Watch it and see. I stand by what I said. I might've just gone overboard. Dave watched the first and third episodes with me. Dave: [18:00] It's not good. It's not, it's not a good show. Tara: [18:02] Why don't you think it's good? It's not very funny. Dave: [18:05] I hate looking at, Dennis Leary's new grandma face. Tara: [18:09] He does have a weird face now. Dave: [18:11] Something, something happened in a surgery room somewhere and it wasn't good. Tara: [18:14] Perhaps. Dave: [18:15] Yeah. It just wasn't really that funny. And I guess like the show that it most closely resembles is Enlisted, which was much better. Tara: [18:23] Of course. Sarah: [18:24] Yeah. Tara: [18:25] Absolutely. Enlisted is a better show. Sarah: [18:26] R.I.P. Dave: [18:27] Yeah. Tara: [18:27] I don't know. I'm curious. Dave: [18:30] Let's go. Tara: [18:30] Move on. That's all I have to say, but there's a link to my review in the show notes. You know, Check it out and see if you think I'm crazy. Dave: [18:39] All right, Sarah Baker, what have you been watching recently? Baker: [18:43] Okay, so stealing from Tara, as usual, though you haven't done this as much lately, but I am doing a highbrow and a lowbrow pick. For my lowbrow, I am here to admit that I am still watching The Circle, and unfortunately, I am loving it. We just finished the most recent season, which I think is season seven. It wasn't my favorite in terms of contestants. I did love Judasia, but it seems to be one of those shows where there's always someone I at least like more than everybody else and can root for, or even more likely someone I really can't stand who I can root against. So, you know, it's just, it's very familiar at this point. It has the same camera angles. It has fun 80s music, very soothing structure. Baker: [19:28] Lots of built-in stakes, plenty of characters to bounce around. And it's still kind of unique in what it is doing. I did learn this season through Madeline. Madeline? I think that was her name, that some characters who are just straight trash and would be so hateable on a regular reality show are slightly more palatable here, simply because they don't actually interact with anyone else. like she interacted with people on the last episode and i was like oh you're terrible i mean i knew she was terrible but she was really terrible and they don't really have alcohol so like on the challenge which i am regrettably also still watching sigh she would be you know one of the true monsters but she's somewhat reigned in here but really one of the best things about the show is that it manages to be totally engrossing and yet at the end of the season, every single contestant is almost immediately flushed from my brain, leaving me just a little dumber than before. Not too much dumber, but just a little bit dumber. Tara: [20:31] That's me with the Netflix dating shows, so I get it. Baker: [20:34] Yes. Yeah. For my highbrow pick, since it's the last season, I must join Tara in imploring you to watch somebody somewhere if you haven't already. We're actually making our way very slowly through this last season to savor it, so we're not even caught up yet. But I just love this show. It is so tender and heartfelt and real, but also really funny. It just feels like they crawled inside my brain and made something for me. But I think everyone who loves it feels that exact way. And it's kind of that show where it's so weirdly specific that it somehow crosses over into being for everybody. And I also just have to shout out my friend Tim Bagley, who has always been funny, consistent, so warm, everything he does, and who finally is like really being recognized for how great he is. both on this show as joel's love interest who will rip your heart out in the best way in the second episode of the season and who had a small but memorable scene in the most recent season of hacks which was also like this really beautiful scene yes so love him for my plug i invite you to watch the great north on fox which streams the following day on hulu it's a warm funny intentionally diverse show with a stellar cast and little me with a recurring role as chief edna in terms of sheer numbers it hasn't quite reached the heights of bob's burkers yet but it really deserves to so check it out love. Dave: [22:03] It all right bunting what you got. Sarah: [22:06] Everwood i have reached the end of the rewatch i believe the last time i spoke about the rewatch i was still only halfway through. Sarah: [22:15] Season one and i think i said at that time that the show holds up and through season one and most of season two it does and then madison shows up spoilers as a whole less fun than you'd like ahoy in case you are also planning to tackle this show for yourself soon just jump ahead five minutes. Sarah: [22:37] So Madison, played by Sarah Lancaster, better than I think she got credit for at the time, but is a serious problem from the jump that a college girl would have any interest in a 16-year-old boy, even an emo savant like Ephraim, because Ephraim is also frequently a defensive asshole, that the show couldn't decide whether their relationship was actually illegal or just sketch-o. And this was sufficiently irritating that I put down knitting and looked it up. And thanks to so-called Romeo and Juliet statutes in the state of Colorado that make a relationship between a 16-year-old and a 20, almost 21-year-old permissible, because that age difference is under 10 years, it was not against the law. It merely defied belief. I really had a lot of knitting to do before the holiday. I resented having to put that down and look this up. And then, having just done a thoughtful and principled, if somewhat plodding, episode about terminating a pregnancy not even a season prior, the writers break Madison and Ephraim up, they have her turn up pregnant after that, And then they have Andy Brown interfere in that situation in the most egregious and mind-boggling fashion. It makes no sense for him as written. And then it boomerangs on everyone in the town at the end of season three, just in time for everyone to go off to college, which they do locally. And go places like Everwood A&M. Tara: [24:04] Sure. Sarah: [24:05] And have professors like Leslie Hope. I mean, thank God they didn't have Amy actually go to Princeton. They were already setting school and pool records for fucking up how the housing works over there. Y'all just drop a dime to the 609 and ask someone if you don't know what you're talking about. But very few shows can make that jump to college, and Everwood didn't. Season four feels like everyone's treading water with a bunch of taffy-pulled subplots about Jake's recovery, Delia being a brat instead of boring. I don't regret rewatching it. It did end up where it was supposed to with some major relationships. It makes a few mistakes in the early going, and I don't think it really gets small towns correct, or even knows where its small town is geographically in relation to other towns in the West. But it was really nice to spend time with Treat Williams again, and that first season is mostly an earnest family butte. It just was this jewel box family drama premise that didn't exactly belong in the era of 22-episode seasons, and probably should have been like three 10-episode seasons instead of 422s, and it ran out of gas. If you do go back to it, it is on Amazon Prime, and I suggest that you bail before Madison and Ephraim kiss, and then you can just keep it in your heart the way it is in your memory. Sarah: [25:25] There's probably a crime segue here, but I'm going to spare you. You're welcome. Let's just say I reviewed a few true crime things at Best Evidence recently. And more importantly, you should check out our year-end overview of the genre. Our distinguished panel, including Dan Casino, did a great job looking back at the true crime year. If you need some recommendations, that link is in the show notes, bestevidence.fyi. Dave: [25:50] On Extra Extra Hot. Great. This Friday, it is 3.34, and here's what we're going to do. We're going to tell you about all the television we watched during our winter vacation, shows you may have missed. Are they worth your time? It's going to be a pretty chunky segment, so get ready for that one, and then come back here on EHG Prime next week for hopefully a better hospital show. We're going to be talking about The Pit with two Ts. The extra T is for extra pit, and we welcome back guest Heather Cox for that one. Dave: [26:25] It is time for the Extra Hot Great Canon. Presenting this week is a familiar voice from France. The series Ghost on the BBC is a comedy show written and starring the. Sarah: [31:15] Now, a man called Thomas do poem! Something about flowers, or wine, or girls, or something. Tara: [33:03] Yeah, you all come from me and my sister. So for all those reasons, please consider the Thomas Thorne affair for the canon. Thank you so much, Mademoiselle Caroline. Sarah Baker, you chose us from our list of submissions. Please start us off. Baker: [33:19] I know about this show, both the UK and US versions, And I have seen definitely a little bit, at least, of the U.S. version, but I've never seen the U.K. version before. And I thought this was a great introduction. As somebody who hasn't watched before, they really showed who each character was very efficiently. This episode, of course, is particularly fun to see these different versions, which totally makes you understand who these people are. I thought it was really funny going by the Buncee metric. I definitely felt like I wanted to watch more. And I think we will watch more. Also, because it's the UK version, I think there are only like 35 episodes, not like 87. So it doesn't feel so overwhelming that I won't even start, which sometimes happens. and i fell in immediate love with katie wicks as mary she is not known to me i know i looked at her imdb page and she's done a million things but i need to now immediately watch everything she's and i thought she was so so funny it's such a crazy character she literally has dirt all over her face but but she's so subtle and just her little intonations and looks just got me shout out to my friend, Betsy Sedaro, who is also really funny, but totally different, playing, I think, the same or similar character on the American version. Tara: [34:45] Awesome. I'll go next because we did keep watching. We watched the rest of season two and all of season three so far. We have tried this show before. I think we may have mentioned it at some point that we've watched the first, like, maybe three. Dave: [34:57] Twice. We tried twice. Tara: [34:59] Yeah. Dave: [34:59] Yeah. Tara: [35:00] And then we were like, it just, like, the first season, something about it didn't hook us. Maybe it was too much sort of exposition or establishing the premise in those early episodes where, you know, it's too much story, not enough jokes. And this was such a good choice for a canon pitch and such a good entry point for like, no, this is really why you should watch the show, because it completely worked on us. And I think it wasn't clear to me immediately that it was going to be a Rashomon story. So when you get Thomas's version first, you're like, Okay, I mean, I guess he was a successful poet. And then like, as it goes on, you're like, okay, now I understand what's happening. And Caroline is right. The Robin version of the story is for sure the funniest one. Tara: [35:44] And then the ending does have such pathos because it's not, I mean, it is a misunderstanding, but it's also like, you know, pure sabotage. It's like a crime story, really, what the cousin does to him. It's extremely effective. And the way the different characters find, like Caroline mentioned, about the captain trying to insert himself, even though obviously he was not there, is also really funny. And yeah, every character gets a moment to shine, even the ones that aren't really involved in the story. The unfolding sort of mystery part of it is very well structured. Yeah, everything she said is true. It is really funny, although the last clip about Robin saying that they're all descended from him and his sister in this visual medium of podcasting, you can't tell him, you can't see him react to everyone laughing at it. And then they cut back to him being like, oh, I guess I can't reveal that that was actually a joke. It's a very good show. Really strong. Keeps getting better, I would say, through season three, which, as I said, we have now watched. So thank you so much for challenging us to give this another shot. Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [36:53] You had me at lobster hat. But then when I definitely wanted to keep going was when they flipped to the Robin perspective and like man called Thomas do poem. And then his response, which like this, there's a story that's told sometimes about John Wilkes Booth, where like in biographies of him, they always make sure to point out that he was, quote, always ready with a poem or declamation. And it's like, all right, leaving aside everything else, which, of course, you can't fuck off John Wilkes Booth, like always ready with a poem, go stand in the yard. Baker: [37:31] Nightmare. Sarah: [37:32] And there is something, and look, I was a poetry major, I'm not trying to be that guy, but there is something about the way at sort of like early 19th century declamatory Keats wannabe would be in the world that is pityingly fond. And I just found it very, just very funny because, I mean, the different takes on like his idea of how he didn't want to let his audience down and for two hours that he like subsides on a fainting couch. Sarah: [38:05] And then they also managed to drive by Mary Shelley, which is just like really amazing. Anyway, I thought it was so it was so well done. And like it was mean, but not but it was also like knowledgeably mean about what this would have what this person would have been like. And Robin is hilarious. It's very elegantly constructed. So often the Rashomon construction is like the episode or the show is really sort of stepping back and being like, right? Because it's Rashomon. You're like, oh my God, we know. This doesn't really do that. And Charlotte Ritchie, who I first saw in Call the Midwife, and the death of her character, I mean, I guess it's a spoiler, but it was like 17 seasons ago now, actually put a pause on our rewatch that remains to this day because we were just horrified that they killed her off. The next time I really saw her on anything on a regular basis was in season four of You, which is like 180 degrees away from Barbara. Sarah: [39:04] And this sort of like tracks back to the middle. And she's perfect here. And I will also say that Mademoiselle Caroline didn't mention this little subplot about a reunion and an ex-boyfriend who is like, whatever, knows Krav Maga and went to prison or whatever it was. i don't really remember it that well and that's because they spent exactly the right amount of screen time yep on it so i would say this show has a really good ear for what it can do and it does all of those things really elegantly and i'm super excited to put it on the list which yes i know but i'll put it towards the front like on page one maybe i'll get to it this year woohoo. Tara: [39:43] Before we pass it on to Dave, I just want to, I forgot to say about Katie Wicks. If you want to delve into her filmography, Stad the Let's Flats is a sitcom that she was in that we've talked about before. It's super funny. It's now, it was on Max. It's now on Peacock or on BritBox, if you have either of those. And she's in the ninth series of Taskmaster, which is a real mixed bag of a cast. She's in with Rose Mattafeo and Ed Gamble, but also two of the duddiest duds that the show has ever had in David Baddiel and Joe Brand. So, you know, watch for their parts and try to ignore the old losers. Okay, Dave. Dave: [40:18] Speaking about the B-plot, Sarah says, you know, just enough time on the B-plot, which is just one joke told a few times over. I thought that was a weak part of the episode. I would say the episode kicks into high gear just before the halfway mark. So if you're watching this and you're kind of, you know, you've already heard us talk about it, you're waiting for the Rashomonics that sort of happens in the second half of the episode. But the energy, the pacing, the jokes of the second half of the episode, I think makes up for what is sort of a setup first half for the most part. And I think it does pay off mostly because I think maybe one of the differences between this episode and some of the earlier episodes that we watched and gave up on is that they have more of a rhythm between all the ghost characters. knowing when to pan off one and get to another, you know, never spending too much with one before we move the camera and start talking to somebody else. The reveal when Robin is going to retell the tale is fantastic. When everybody starts talking in their voices like Robin does is, you know, it's a stupid joke and it's not one we haven't seen before, but it really is done to good effect here. I want to do a quick poll. Favorite ghost, least favorite ghost and keep in mind we've watched a limited amount of episodes so some fewer than others but sarah baker what would you say favorite ghost least favorite ghost so far. Baker: [41:42] I mean, Mary was definitely my favorite ghost. I mean, probably just because my elementary brain always doesn't like the annoying characters. At least initially, until I realized, oh, they're funny, they're supposed to be annoying, it's okay to like them. So probably the captain guy. Yeah. Dave: [42:02] Okay. Baker: [42:02] But that's very not strong. Dave: [42:04] Other Sarah? Sarah: [42:05] Favorite so far is Robin, and then least favorite is the guy with no pants, I guess? Yes, but I don't dislike any of them. I just like, that's not a, whatever, it's not a personality, but maybe as time goes on, that's sort of like, is a runner that is funnier. Tara: [42:21] Yeah. Dave: [42:21] Okay. Tara: [42:22] I agree. Mary is like, she's a stealth, really funny character to me. And I also think Julian is pretty weak, but I will say as much as it pains me because I love Lillia Adephobe so much, Kitty is not great. Dave: [42:36] I don't understand what that character is supposed to be doing. Tara: [42:38] Yeah. Dave: [42:39] Like, what is her deal? Tara: [42:41] Yeah. Dave: [42:41] Like, I don't know what age she's supposed to be. I don't know if she's supposed to be impaired in any way. Like, it's a real, I'm not sure what I can safely say about this character. Right. Tara: [42:52] If there's a diagnosis at play or what. Dave: [42:54] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, I agree with that. I do love Robin a lot, but I think my favorite is actually Mary as well. But yeah, this episode is really funny. It really saved the show for us. And like we say, we watched a whole other season after this. So it absolutely worked. so I would say if you're in the same boat and you haven't watched it and you do want to sample it this is a great episode to get that because it does paint a picture of every single character in the credits and you understand who they are right away even if you missed their canonical backstory in season one or whatever so great choice Caroline let's put this to the official vote Sarah Baker what say you canon worthy, yes definitely all right Tari Ariano I agree yes Sarah D. Badeg we All right. Me too. So it's a sweep. And that means ghosts. Series two, episode five, the Thomas Thorne affair. You are hereby inducted into the extra hot gray can. Dave: [44:00] Americans love a winner. Yeah. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. That was me almost saying crown. Yes. That's a Florida affair. All right, let's get to the winner and loser of the week. Sarah has this week's winner. Sarah: [44:14] I certainly do. True Crime stars Joey King, who you might remember from the act, and Cooper Koch, who was in Monster, colon, Menendez, colon, the Menendez story, have been tapped to announce this year's SAG Awards nominations on, as you're listening to this, today. So, good for them. Both good actors. Dave: [44:33] And Loser of the Week. Tara: [44:34] Sidebar before we get to the losers. I watched and reviewed the show Laid, a new sitcom on Peacock, which I overall did not like very much. But they have a runner about the two friends not remembering what the monster Jeffrey Dahmer show is called and like saying to each other like different versions of monster the Jeffrey Dahmer. Like they just keep going back and forth with different arrangements of the words and the colons. It's one good joke in that very bad show. Anyway, other losers include the anchors on CNN who were sent to Austin to, you know, fill time after Anderson and Andy went to get their stomachs pumped or whatever they did. I don't know. I assume they got drunk. I didn't watch that part. They were so busy with a story about barbecue that they missed the midnight countdown. That was the channel we had turned to for the countdown that night. So, sorry to the central time zone. By the time they did their numbers, it had already changed in the little box in the corner. Dave: [45:37] They're like, we got to do the countdown. They start at 15, 14. They get the 14. You could hear everything outside go. Sarah: [45:43] Totally. Dave: [45:44] The best part is there's like two of them talking to this barbecue owner. Tara: [45:50] Chef, yeah. Dave: [45:51] Yeah. And one of them says, oh, we got to start the countdown. The other one says, no, no, no. Let's talk about barbecue. And she goes on. So it was totally the one's fault. Tara: [45:58] Right. Dave: [45:58] And she just like I don't know what her future is At CNN Probably not great You had like literally Pitmaster is like Homer in. Sarah: [46:05] The hedge Yes With his fork. Dave: [46:07] Yeah It was unbelievable So anyways Yeah Well speaking about having one job Do you know what time it is? Tara: [46:13] It's good time. Dave: [46:14] It is good time In theory There we go, First. Week. Back. Not doing well with the clip. I will say, it's going better than I thought it would. Usually these first ones back hurts. Sarah: [46:36] You just had to bring the Maloic. Great job, Dave. Dave: [46:39] All right, this is the first game of a new Game Time season, so the scores are 0-0-0. Today we are playing Decidedly Unhelpful from Amy Allensbach, who earns herself an extra credit topic of her choosing. plus a free shirt or mug or whatever she wants from the EHC store at throughmethods.com. She writes, on IMDB, users can vote if they think the plot keywords attached to television shows are helpful, and you will be given four of these plot keywords. However, all the keywords you get have been voted zero helpfulness, according to IMDB users. So you get four of those, I will read you one at a time. And then if you still don't know after the fourth one, I will give you the network that it premiered on. So there's five clues in total. You can guess after every clue is given. Five points if you get it off the first one. One point if you get it off the network. All the shows today debuted in the year 2000. So all the shows this year will celebrate their 25th anniversary. So keep that in mind as you guess. We've got 24 questions today divided into two rounds. Amy has separated easy from not so easy. We do have a tiebreaker if we need it at the end. We'll do one growthsworth equalizer challenge zone between rounds. There will be opportunities for steel mills only at the very end if they don't get that very last clue. Tara: [48:04] Right. Dave: [48:04] Probably not great week for steel mills, but if it's really tight, it might make the difference. So Tara, let's get them steel mills reports. Tara: [48:12] Okay. According to my records, Sarah has none. I have none. and valued guests has one plus Eric's meal, so two. Dave: [48:19] All right, let's throw it to Piggy. So you go first. No, no, no, no. Tara: [48:27] No. Dave: [48:27] I pressed too many buns. We will start with Sarah. Sarah Bunting. Tara: [48:37] No, Baker. Dave: [48:39] We're going to start Sarah Baker. Sarah Baker, then Sarah Bunting, and then Tara is our order today. Are we ready to start? Decidedly unhelpful. Tara: [48:49] Yes. Baker: [48:49] All right, here we go. Dave: [48:50] Sarah Baker, you can guess after every keyword, or if you get that far, after the network. Here we go. Your first unhelpful keyword is in with two N's. In with two N's. This is a show that debuted in the year 2000. Baker: [49:06] Yeah. Dave: [49:06] One of the keywords is in, but nobody upvoted it as helpful on IMDb. Baker: [49:12] Great. I truly don't have a guess. Dave: [49:17] Okay, so next clue is diner. In with two N's and diner. Baker: [49:24] God. I should just guess things even if I don't know. Tara: [49:27] Yes, you should just guess things. Dave: [49:28] Yes, you should. Baker: [49:31] Diner. Friends. Dave: [49:34] In. Diner. Female chef. Baker: [49:39] Oh, Gilmore Girls? Dave: [49:40] Gilmore Girls is good for three points. To Sarah D. Bunting. Tara: [49:45] Three points or two points? Dave: [49:46] Three points. Start at five and at one. Tara: [49:48] Got it, five. Okay. Dave: [49:50] All right, Sarah. your first keyword is immaturity. Sarah: [49:56] Gosh. Young Americans. Dave: [50:01] Second, mother-son relationship. Sarah: [50:06] Arrested development. Tara: [50:08] That's what I would have said. Baker: [50:09] Oh, that was a good guess. Dave: [50:11] Dysfunctional marriage. Sarah: [50:15] Parenthood. Dave: [50:17] Fourth keyword and last keyword. Abusive brother. Immaturity, mother-son relationship, dysfunctional marriage, abusive brother. Are your four unhelpful keywords. Sarah: [50:31] Yeah, I know it's not Benson. What's my last hint? Dave: [50:35] All right, your last hint is this show debuted in the year 2000 on Fox. Sarah: [50:41] I don't think that network was right either. Profit? Dave: [50:50] No. Any guesses? No steel mills? No guesses? All right, that is, well, that's because life is unfair. That is Malcolm in the Middle. Tara: [50:58] Oh, shit. Baker: [50:59] Oh, shit. Dave: [51:00] All right, Tara, you ready for your first? Sarah: [51:02] Wow. All right. Tara: [51:03] Let's find out. Dave: [51:04] Unhelpful keyword, cult TV, cult TV. Tara: [51:11] Year 2000. Smallville, that was the next year. Dave: [51:17] Second keyword, mock documentary. Tara: [51:25] Not The Office. Okay, maybe it is The Office. Shit. Dave: [51:30] Third keyword, sexual humor. Tara: [51:35] Mock documentary with sexual humor. Dave: [51:38] These ones, the other ones I could see. These ones are leading into the unhelpful. Tara: [51:42] I got Gilmore Girls immediately. That would have been five points to me. Fuck. I don't know. Give me another one. Dave: [51:49] Looking into the camera. So you got cult TV, mock documentary, sexual humor, looking into the camera. Tara: [51:56] I mean, it's not Sex and the City either because I was 98. So I don't know. Dave: [52:00] All right. You want the network? Tara: [52:01] Sure. Dave: [52:02] HBO. Tara: [52:03] Is this the mind of the married man? Oh, it's not. Damn it. Dave: [52:08] Anybody want to steal a little of this? I don't think anybody knows this one. Mock documentary is really on the edge here. That was Curb Your Enthusiasm. Baker: [52:16] Oh. Tara: [52:17] Okay. People are really looking to the camera. Sarah: [52:19] Though. Tara: [52:19] I guess that's why it's an unhelpful keyword. Dave: [52:21] There you go. All right. We are back to Sarah Baker. Your first keyword is nonfiction. Nonfiction. A show that debuted in 2000. non-fiction survivor correct non-fiction betrayal Australia starvation nicely done Sarah Bunting your first keyword is science, science CSI CSI is also correct. Tara: [53:01] Shut the fuck up. Dave: [53:02] Science, corpse, corruption, homicide. Tara: [53:06] Gorgeous. Sarah: [53:07] All right, Tara. Dave: [53:08] Pressure's on. Tara: [53:09] Okay. Dave: [53:10] Male, male relationship. Tara: [53:13] Six feet under. Dave: [53:16] Same sex parents. Tara: [53:21] The L word. Dave: [53:24] Sperm donor. Tara: [53:26] Oh, my God. Queer as Folk? Dave: [53:31] Queer as Folk is correct. Sarah: [53:33] Three points. Dave: [53:35] Back to Sarah Baker. Unhelpful keyword number one, competition. Competition. Baker: [53:43] The amazing race. Dave: [53:45] Keyword number two, house. Baker: [53:48] House. America's Next Top Model? Dave: [53:53] Third keyword, psychology. Baker: [53:58] Project Runway. Dave: [54:00] Your fourth keyword is confinement. So you've got competition, house, psychology, confinement. Baker: [54:12] Prison break? Dave: [54:16] This show started on CBS in the year 2000. Baker: [54:20] Oh, Lord. Trapped in a room. Dave: [54:26] Well, kind of. Tara: [54:27] They are. Dave: [54:28] All right, steal my opportunity here if anybody wants to. Tara: [54:31] We don't have any. Dave: [54:31] No, you don't have any. She's the only one who hasn't. All right, just let her know what it is then. Tara: [54:35] Big Brother. Dave: [54:36] Big Brother, yes. Baker: [54:37] I watch that show so much. I'm embarrassed to say. Dave: [54:40] Not enough. Baker: [54:41] Damn it. Not enough. Dave: [54:44] Sarah Bunting. Your first keyword is skateboarding. Sarah: [54:50] Jackass. Dave: [54:51] Jackass is correct. Tara: [54:52] Nice. Dave: [54:53] Skateboarding, stupidity, alligator, BMX. Nicely done. Sarah: [54:57] What a great show. Dave: [54:58] Tara. Tara: [54:59] Yeah. Dave: [54:59] Teaching. Teaching. Tara: [55:03] Boston Public. Dave: [55:04] Yes, Boston Public. Teaching, principal, bully, gay straight alliance. Tara: [55:10] Fox. Dave: [55:11] All right. Baker: [55:12] I just want to say that the reason I didn't get that question is because Big Brother has made me stupider. And so it's its own fault. Tara: [55:20] I thought you were going to say in the year 2000 you were only 11. Baker: [55:23] Sure. Dave: [55:25] All right. your first keyword sarah baker is hispanic culture hispanic culture. Baker: [55:33] Hmm. Dave: [55:34] Debuted in 2000. You get this off that clue. We're shutting down the game and you win. Baker: [55:41] Desperate housewives? Dave: [55:44] Keyword number two, monkey. Baker: [55:47] Monkey. Lost. Dave: [55:54] Keyword number three, backpack. Hispanic culture. Baker: [55:59] Oh, Dorit? Dave: [56:00] Yep. Baker: [56:02] Dorit the Explorer? Dave: [56:03] There you go. Three points. Friendship was your last clue. Sarah: [56:07] Wow. Baker: [56:07] Oh, beautiful. Dave: [56:09] Sarah Bunting. Police chief. Sarah: [56:14] Police chief. Dave: [56:16] Yeah. Sarah: [56:21] World's wildest police chases. Dave: [56:25] Second keyword is redhead. Police chief redhead. Sarah: [56:31] Uh oh jeez i don't know century city. Dave: [56:35] Oh welcome police chief redhead based on a true story. Sarah: [56:43] It's done a true. Dave: [56:44] Story i will say this is one of those tv shows where i i recognize the title as a tv show but it could be one of 10 000 things in my mind right but i think it leans more towards bunting-ness than you might expect. Sarah: [56:58] Yeah, no, that's not helping. Silk stockings. Dave: [57:03] Alright, your last keyword is female police officer. A show from 2000. Sarah: [57:12] Prime suspect. Dave: [57:13] The show is from CBS, which is good bet based on those keywords. Sarah: [57:18] Oh, that one. Tara: [57:19] You know, the CBS show about police officers? Sarah: [57:23] About the police. Yeah, CSI Miami. Dave: [57:27] This show is called The District. Sarah: [57:30] Oh, right, that thing. Okay. Dave: [57:33] Yeah. Tara: [57:33] I think Jon Hamm was, this is like an early Jon Hamm credit. Sarah: [57:37] Oh, man. Tara: [57:38] Unless I'm mixing it up with something else, which is quite possible. Dave: [57:43] Let's get to the last question of round one. Tara, humiliation. Tara: [57:52] Felicity. Dave: [57:55] Quiz Mistress. Tara: [57:56] The weakest link. Dave: [57:57] The weakest link is correct. Four points. Catchphrase and United Kingdom. And that is the end of round one. We're halfway through our game, so we must get the scores. I insist, Tara. Tara: [58:06] Oh, my God. It's so close. I have 12. Sarah Baker has 11. Sarah D. Bunting has 10. All right. Sarah: [58:14] That means Sarah D. Dave: [58:15] Bunting, you are in the Grossworth Equalizer Challenge Zone. All right, to remind you, pick a number between 1 and 8, which corresponds with a bunch of trivia cards I have behind me. Not going to know what set you get until you say the number and I go find it. Sarah: [58:40] I am being called by the number 7. Dave: [58:43] 7. You have chosen the Trivial Pursuit Totally 80s box. Tara: [58:48] Oh, okay. Dave: [58:49] So you have six questions from that. All right, here we go. Sarah: [58:54] Wait, what's the pointage? Dave: [58:56] Oh, yeah, right. If I succeed. So let's say six. No, that's a lot. Let's say five and ten. Five and ten. Sarah: [59:06] Oh, shit. Tara: [59:07] You can do it. Dave: [59:08] What Growing Pain spinoff sent Coach Lubbock to California with his wife and eight kids? Sarah: [59:16] I heard that as Growing Pain. Tara: [59:18] I did, too. Sarah: [59:21] Just the ten of us, maybe? Baker: [59:24] No. Dave: [59:27] I've had groin pain in my life. Let me tell you. Who owned the boar's nest eatery that employed Daisy Duke as a waitress? Sarah: [59:37] Boss. Hog. Dave: [59:38] You're correct. Tara: [59:39] Oh, my God. Dave: [59:40] What high-priced Atlanta lawyer drove a Crown Victoria and survived largely on chili dogs? Sarah: [59:48] Matlock. Dave: [59:49] Matlock is correct. Tara: [59:49] Oh, my God. Baker: [59:50] Five points. Sarah: [59:51] I only knew one Atlanta lawyer, so. Tara: [59:54] She's got five. Dave: [59:55] What short-lived sequel series opened with Lorne Green declaring, at last, we have found Earth? Sarah: [1:00:04] Mission possible? Dave: [1:00:06] This is a totally 80s box. That is Galactica 1980, a terrible series. Sarah: [1:00:12] Yeah, never would have known that. Dave: [1:00:15] All right, but you got five points. Tara: [1:00:16] You got five points. Dave: [1:00:17] So nicely done. Tara: [1:00:19] Changed everything. Dave: [1:00:20] Changed everything how? Tara: [1:00:21] Well, now Sarah Baker has 11 points. I have 12 points. Sarah D. Bunting is in the lead with 15. Dave: [1:00:28] All right. All right, let's get back to it with Sarah Baker's first question around two. Your keyword is British comedy. British comedy. And to remind you, these are all shows that started in 2000. Baker: [1:00:43] Is this The Office? Dave: [1:00:46] Ensemble cast, which is not gonna help get Office out of your brain. British comedy ensemble cast. Baker: [1:00:55] Parks and Recreation. Tara: [1:00:58] Parks with an E. Dave: [1:00:59] Yes. Baker: [1:01:00] Yep. You get it. Dave: [1:01:03] Keyword number three for you. Dating. Dating. Baker: [1:01:07] Oh, shoot. Is this called coupling? Dave: [1:01:13] It is. Coupling for three points. Baker: [1:01:15] Nice. Dave: [1:01:15] Nice. Sexual innuendo was your fourth keyword from BBC Two. Sarah Bunting. Sarah: [1:01:23] Female fighter alias anti-heroin female fighter anti-heroin small wonder small wonder social commentary dark angel dark angel yes the last keyword was karate chop Jessica Alba doesn't remember that show no No. Dave: [1:01:52] Tara? Tara: [1:01:53] Yeah. Dave: [1:01:53] Forensic evidence. Tara: [1:01:56] Oh, no, and it's not CSI. The lone gunman. Dave: [1:02:03] Murder investigation. Tara: [1:02:06] Without a trace. Dave: [1:02:09] Detective constable. Tara: [1:02:11] Crime suspect. Dave: [1:02:13] Police lab. Tara: [1:02:17] Am I five? Not the police. Dave: [1:02:21] This aired in 2000 on BBC One. So once again, forensic evidence, murder investigation, detective constable, police lab on BBC One in the year 2000. Tara: [1:02:31] Morse. I don't know. Sarah: [1:02:34] I'd have gone Midsommar. Baker: [1:02:35] Steel Meal. Dave: [1:02:36] Oh, Steel Meal from Sarah. All right. Sarah Baker. Baker: [1:02:39] This is a total guess. Luther? Tara: [1:02:42] No. Baker: [1:02:43] Ah, Ratso. Tara: [1:02:45] That was later, I think. Dave: [1:02:47] We were looking for Waking the Dead. Waking the Dead. Tara: [1:02:50] Sure you were. Sarah: [1:02:51] You say so. Dave: [1:02:53] All right, Sarah Baker, you back up. First keyword, surrealism. Baker: [1:02:59] The Surreal Life. Dave: [1:03:03] Superhero. Baker: [1:03:05] Oh, brother. This is not my area. Gotham? Dave: [1:03:12] Nope. Baker: [1:03:12] Is that a show? Tara: [1:03:14] It's a show, but it started like in the 20 teens. Dave: [1:03:16] I'm surprised that wasn't the correct answer given the confidence of which he stated it. Adult Animation. Baker: [1:03:23] Me and my superheroes. Dave: [1:03:24] Adult Animation. Surrealism Superhero Adult Animation Year 2000 The Tick? Tara: [1:03:32] No? Dave: [1:03:34] Last keyword that is decidedly unhelpful Outer Space Surrealism Superhero Adult Animation Outer Space Year 2000 Outer. Baker: [1:03:46] Space Um Archer. Dave: [1:03:51] And this debuted on the Cartoon Network, Space Ghost? I'm sorry. I'm going to give you a better hint. Saddle Swim. Baker: [1:04:02] Oh. Futurama? Dave: [1:04:08] Futurama, no. Anybody know this one? Sarah: [1:04:12] Space Ghost? Dave: [1:04:13] No, Space Ghost is what I thought when I was reading the clues for the first time as well. Sarah: [1:04:18] It's too late though, right? Dave: [1:04:19] Aqua Teen Hunger Forces. Tara: [1:04:21] Oh. Sarah: [1:04:22] Geez, really? Baker: [1:04:23] I was on that show. Tara: [1:04:24] That sounds like a personal problem. Dave: [1:04:25] You were? Baker: [1:04:26] I was on the last episode of that show. I was Meet Wad's wife. Tara: [1:04:31] Oh, my God. Sarah: [1:04:32] I love this thing. Dave: [1:04:33] I did not know that. Sarah: [1:04:34] Sarah. That was fantastic. Dave: [1:04:35] And do you still keep in contact? Baker: [1:04:38] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're close. Tara: [1:04:40] To anyone who thinks I was responding to Sarah Baker's disclosure about being on the show with, that sounds like a personal problem. I was quoting the Moonanites from earlier in the run of the show. Not being an asshole. Dave: [1:04:52] All right. this is for Sarah Bunting it is question 17 spread. Sarah: [1:04:56] Eagle spread eagle. Dave: [1:04:58] Your keyword is bookstore oh good luck I've never even heard of this sure is great bookstore maybe it's I don't know I. Sarah: [1:05:08] Mean it's not you but why not you. Dave: [1:05:12] Cult TV. Sarah: [1:05:15] Lone Gunman again? Let's try it. Dave: [1:05:18] I'm sorry, what was it? Sarah: [1:05:19] Lone Gunman. Lone Gunman. Dave: [1:05:22] Drunkenness. Sarah: [1:05:24] Bookstore cult show drunkenness. Tara: [1:05:27] Oh, it's Drunk Bookstore, your favorite show. Dave: [1:05:31] Yeah, I hear you, chapters. Sarah: [1:05:32] Based on a true story. Shit. Drunkenness. Abfab. Tara: [1:05:41] They love to read. Dave: [1:05:42] Employer employee relationship this is the hard round oh. Sarah: [1:05:49] Yeah um Gideon's Crossing no I'm just saying. Dave: [1:05:56] Words now I don't know if this is going to help you maybe it will this debuted on channel 4, bookstore cult TV drunkenness employer employee relationship debuted in the year 2000 on channel 4 any clue no. Sarah: [1:06:11] Uh the misfits i mean that's not. Dave: [1:06:14] It but i just don't anybody just want to guess no nobody has any clue have you heard of a show called black books yes. Tara: [1:06:21] I have heard of it. Dave: [1:06:22] Well no it's this one don't you know okay take your way all right let's get that out of our system should try it. Late night. Tara: [1:06:34] Late night. Yeah. Dave: [1:06:36] Late night. Tara: [1:06:38] Late night to the talk. No, it's not talk soup. I don't know. Next. Dave: [1:06:45] 2D animation. Tara: [1:06:47] It's not Dr. Katz either. Next. Dave: [1:06:52] Legal. Tara: [1:06:54] Harvey Birdman attorney at law. Dave: [1:06:56] Yes, correct. Correct, three points. Superhero sci-fi was your last keyword, Cartoon Network. All right, this is Question. It is for Sarah Baker. Your first keyword is nonfiction. Last time we gave her nonfiction, she got a five-point answer with Survivor. Can't you do it here? Nonfiction. Baker: [1:07:19] Actually, the last one I lost on a show that I watch all the time. Big Brother. Okay. America's Next Top Model. Dave: [1:07:31] Interior Design. Baker: [1:07:34] Oh. Oh. Wait, what's the American version called? It's not changing rooms. It's not living spaces. Tara: [1:07:44] You're closer. If it's the one I'm thinking of. Baker: [1:07:47] Trading spaces. Dave: [1:07:49] Yes. Tara: [1:07:50] Four points. Dave: [1:07:51] Nicely done. Remake Home Improvement on TLC. Tara: [1:07:57] I was just looking through the latest issue of Southern Homes Magazine. A magazine I subscribe to because... Dave: [1:08:03] I do declare. Tara: [1:08:04] Our friends, Stephanie Green, her daughter's a Girl Scout and I can't buy cookies every single time I get an email from her. And so sometimes I subscribe to a magazine. And they had a big feature with Vern Yip. So he's like still out here designing places in Atlanta now. So good for Vern. Sarah: [1:08:21] At least he didn't subscribe to Garden and Gun. Tara: [1:08:24] It was an option. But no, I didn't. Sarah: [1:08:27] Occasionally they do have a true crime column and I link to it. Dave: [1:08:31] That's real? Tara: [1:08:31] Yeah. Dave: [1:08:32] Garden and Gun? Tara: [1:08:33] Oh, yeah. Dave: [1:08:33] And is it exactly as like schizophrenic as it sounds? Sarah: [1:08:37] No, not really. No, it's like fancy. Tara: [1:08:39] It's like town and country. It's for rich Southern people. Dave: [1:08:41] Okay. Sarah: [1:08:42] Yeah. Dave: [1:08:42] I'm intrigued. I totally forgot what we're doing. We're playing a game. Sarah D. Bunting, here we go. Talk show spoof. Talk show spoof is your first unhelpful keyword for a show that debuted in 2000. Sarah: [1:08:56] Colbert Rapport. Dave: [1:08:59] Satire comedy. Sarah: [1:09:02] Satire comedy. Yeah, thanks. Next. Next hint. Dave: [1:09:10] British TV. Sarah: [1:09:15] Episodes? Dave: [1:09:17] Last keyword. Absurdism. Absurdism. Sarah: [1:09:24] I mean, it's really, and I don't feel like the network is going to help, But why don't you give me the network? Dave: [1:09:30] Channel 4 again. Channel 4. Home of Black Books. Sarah: [1:09:36] I don't know. Office UK. That's not correct. Dave: [1:09:41] No, this is like the show is the name of the character. I'll give you that hint. If you just want to guess what it is. Sarah: [1:09:48] I don't. Does anyone else? Baker: [1:09:50] I thought it was going to be Larry Sanders until you said all the British-y stuff. Dave: [1:09:54] Yeah. All the British-y stuff. This is Dali G Show. Tara: [1:09:58] Oh, I was thinking knowing me. Sarah: [1:10:00] Knowing you, but that's probably earlier, too. Dave: [1:10:03] All right, Tara. Tara: [1:10:03] Yeah. Dave: [1:10:04] First keyword is based on film. Tara: [1:10:10] Of course it is. Oh, is this Party Girl? I was thinking I was thinking. Dave: [1:10:17] Second keyword, African-American. The show from 2000. Tara: [1:10:24] I know. Dave: [1:10:26] Next one? Tara: [1:10:27] Next, yeah. Dave: [1:10:28] Family love. Tara: [1:10:30] Oh, my God. Did they make a Crooklyn show? Dave: [1:10:36] Last keyword, black owned business. Baker: [1:10:41] Oh. Tara: [1:10:42] Barbershop? No, that was later. I don't know. Dave: [1:10:44] Last clue. This debuted in 2000 on Showtime. So you got based on film, African-American, family love, black-owned business on Showtime. Tara: [1:10:52] Soul Food? Dave: [1:10:53] Soul Food is correct. One point. Sarah: [1:10:55] Wow, nice. Dave: [1:10:56] All right. This is everybody's last question. First with Sarah Baker. Your keyword is oncology. Tara: [1:11:04] Cheerful. Baker: [1:11:06] Is it the C word? Tara: [1:11:09] It was called the big c ultimately oh thanks l word. Baker: [1:11:14] The c word the big c. Tara: [1:11:16] It was the working title was the c word and then they were like maybe not that. Baker: [1:11:20] Unorthodox method let's think of. Tara: [1:11:23] Some c words everybody. Baker: [1:11:24] Go around and. Tara: [1:11:25] Say one okay. Baker: [1:11:28] Sorry what did you say it's. Dave: [1:11:30] Catamaran a c. Tara: [1:11:31] Or a K? Baker: [1:11:32] No, it's a C. Dave: [1:11:33] Okay, great. That's my word. Your second keyword was catamaran. No, it was unorthodox method. Baker: [1:11:43] Oncology, unorthodox method. Dave: [1:11:44] Yeah. They try to punch it out. Tara: [1:11:48] Hey, no hints! Dave: [1:11:49] Sorry. Baker: [1:11:52] Oh, God. Nurse Jackie? I don't know. Dave: [1:11:57] Bedside Manor. Baker: [1:12:00] House? Dave: [1:12:01] New England, I guarantee when you hear the answer, you will hate yourself. Yeah, you're going to hang up on the call. We won't have any more of Sarah Baker on the show. Tara: [1:12:13] When you hear the answer. Baker: [1:12:14] It will give you cancer. Dave: [1:12:16] Yeah, you'll hate it. It's going to give you cancer. And we're going to have to fly out to L.A. to punch it out of you. Oncology, unorthodox method, bedside manner, New England are your keywords. Baker: [1:12:28] I don't know a lot of stuff in case I haven't already expressed that. Dave: [1:12:32] I know you know this because you've mentioned it already. this game. Baker: [1:12:37] Wait, I did? Dave: [1:12:37] Yep. Baker: [1:12:39] Oh no. I did? Dave: [1:12:41] Yeah. This is good podcasting with your hand over your mouth in horror. Baker: [1:12:47] Why didn't I write it down? Dave: [1:12:48] Why didn't I just talk like this for a little while? All right. Got an answer or do you want that? Network. Baker: [1:12:54] Okay. Network. Dave: [1:12:55] All right. ABC. So for one point, name that show that you've already mentioned previously. Baker: [1:13:01] Damn it. I know. Well, it's probably America's next top model. I know I said that. Sarah: [1:13:08] That is unorthodox. Baker: [1:13:10] Really, right? I'm sure Tyra did give some people cancer. I don't know. Dave: [1:13:17] It sounds like you don't know. Baker: [1:13:18] I don't know. Dave: [1:13:20] Anybody know? Tara: [1:13:21] I think Sarah. Dave: [1:13:22] Oh, Sarah Bunting, do you know? Sarah: [1:13:24] Gideon's Crossing? Dave: [1:13:26] Gideon's Crossing, yes. Tara: [1:13:27] Sarah mentioned it, not Sarah Baker. Sarah: [1:13:29] Oh, I was going to say. Baker: [1:13:31] I've never heard of that in my life. Dave: [1:13:33] My apologies. Too many Sarahs. Baker: [1:13:35] Are you sure it wasn't America's Next Top Model? Dave: [1:13:37] Can you check again? Okay, I checked again. It is. Baker: [1:13:39] Yes! Dave: [1:13:42] Sarah Bunting, here's your last question. First keyword is video store. Video store. Sarah: [1:13:48] Video store. Dave: [1:13:49] Year 2000. Sarah: [1:13:50] The year 2000. I mean, I don't know. Dawson's Creek. I know. I know. Dave: [1:13:55] New Jersey. Sarah: [1:13:58] Clerks? Dave: [1:13:59] Clerks, yes. Baker: [1:14:00] Oh. Dave: [1:14:01] Four points based on cult favorite, friendship, ABC. Tara: [1:14:05] Nice. Dave: [1:14:06] Last question of the game, Tara. I think this is going to be a five-point answer. I don't think this should be in the hard category. It should be the easy category. Tara: [1:14:13] Even if it is, I cannot win. Dave: [1:14:15] You kind of lucked out. But you can go out with your head held high. Tara: [1:14:17] That's true. Dave: [1:14:18] With your keyword, bowling. Tara: [1:14:21] Ed. Dave: [1:14:22] Five points, yes. Let's get the end of regulation scores. Tara: [1:14:28] Ed mentioned in my review of Shifting Gears. Hear more about that next week. Our final scores are Sarah Baker with 18, me with 21, Sarah D. Bunting starting the season strong with 22. Woo! Baker: [1:14:42] Sarah Bunting. It's like, oh, Amy! Sarah: [1:14:46] Sarah! Tara: [1:14:46] Thank you. Dave: [1:14:47] Woo! Sarah: [1:14:48] Sarah. Dave: [1:14:49] Thank you, Amy. That was a fun game. I like games where, like, the data is sort of corrupted to start with. Totally my jam. All right, that is it. Sarah: [1:14:58] Love it. Dave: [1:14:58] For this episode of Extra Hot Great, we gave our prognosis on the Fox drama doc before going around the dial with stops at Going Dutch, The Circle, Somebody Somewhere, and Everwood. Mademoiselle Caroline haunted the cannon with her successful pitch for Ghost UK. We crowned winners and losers of the week. And Sarah D. Bunting was a winner of our first game time of the season. Next up is what we watched on our winter vacation on Extra Extra Hot Great. And back here on ESG Prime next week, we're going to be talking about the pit with two Ts. The extra T is for extra pit. Remember. We're listening. I am David Teagle, and on behalf of Tara Arellano. Tara: [1:15:45] Oh no, I'm getting sucked off. Dave: [1:15:47] Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:15:49] Kiss me as the French do. Dave: [1:15:51] And Gideon Baker. Baker: [1:15:54] Screw you, Julie Chen. Dave: [1:15:56] We'll see you next time, right here on Extra. Hot grid. Tara: [1:16:22] Dramatique.