Growling Like Gree-Grumps At Halloween Is Grinch Night

Clip 00:00 They really didn't wonder. They knew it was terribly true. They knew that the sour sweet wind was coming back. And what the sour sweet wind would do. Dave 00:19 This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 432 for the October 3rd, 2026 weekend. I am Wonderful Knight for Eyebrows, David T. Cole, and I'm here with Sour Sweet Wind, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 00:39 Thanks, Dave's Veggie Chili. Dave 00:41 Hey and Hooville Blacksmith Tara Ariano Tara 00:44 There's no horses in this town. My family is dying. Welcome to Extra, Extra Hot Great, the podcast we make just for you. Dear club members, we're so glad you're here, especially as the month turns over. We know you are the best of us, the ones that keep your finances in order and make sure you do not miss a single episode of this podcast. Thank you. Dave 01:14 But seriously, thank you. I just wanted to bring up that we made more money off t shirt sales last month than we did off the advertising, and our t Sarah 01:23 Wow. Dave 01:24 shirt sales were less than forty dollars. Tara 01:27 So Sarah 01:27 Okay. Tara 01:28 when we tell you that we make a negligible amount of money on ads, we're not kidding. Sarah 01:28 Well Tara 01:33 Anyway We're here to talk about Halloween is Grinch Night for the October Forcening from Dave in Seattle. We'll come back to him in a moment. Here's what that is. special is about. All the Who's know what it means when a sour, sweet wind blows through Hooville. It's Grinch Night, when the Grinch, now voiced by Hans Hanreed, comes down from Mount Crumpet for the Grinch Night Ball. while all the other Who's brace themselves for whatever may come, one young Who named Eukaria, Gary Shapiro, dares to try to detain the Grinch and save the town, at least for now. This special, which was written by Ted Geisel, aka Dr. Seuss himself, originally aired on ABC October 28th, 1977. Dave in Seattle, who submitted this to The Forcening Pool, writes, It's a semi-canonical sequel to How the Grinch Stole Christmas, loosely branded around Halloween, I'll say. It's annual October viewing in my household Let's do the chen check-in, Sarah. Should our listeners watch Halloween is Grinch Night? Sarah 02:36 I don't think so. Tara 02:38 Dave. I agree Dave 02:42 Do you want a blur too? Tara 02:44 Sure. It was so dull. I feel like I I can't believe that Dave in Seattle is saying they watch it every year, like, watch what? I I feel like even as a kid I would have been bored by this. Sarah 02:55 Yeah Dave 02:57 I was at the end of the special and I was like, what Tara 02:59 Mm-hmm. Dave 03:00 is the lesson? What is the throughput here? Tara 03:03 Yeah Dave 03:03 And the best I could come up with is that it's a story about the ecosystem of terror by Dr. Seuss. Not Ted's best work. Tara 03:11 Sure, sure. Dave 03:12 Because like the whole story boils down to the Grinch gets grumpy Tara 03:16 Mm-hmm Dave 03:17 because the sour wind makes the fluffer nuffers Tara 03:20 Yeah. Dave 03:21 angry Tara 03:21 Whatever. Sarah 03:22 Yeah Dave 03:22 up the pond and the pond angries up and the brontosauri Tara 03:23 Uh-huh. Dave 03:25 are laying it up. Anyways, the ecosystem is the reason why the Grinch is grumpy all the time. Tara 03:31 Yeah. Dave 03:31 It was weird. Sarah 03:32 It's like the Santa Ana subplot that would periodically come up on Beverly Hills Nine Two One O, like Tara 03:38 Yeah Sarah 03:39 This is not story. I mean, one of my notes was like, first of all, I thought the Grinch and Los Who had reached semi-permanent détente, canonically Tara 03:49 Right, yes. Sarah 03:51 And even if you set that aside, there's not twenty-five minutes of plot here. Tara 03:55 No, no, no. Sarah 03:55 There's not two point five minutes of plot Tara 03:58 Right. Sarah 03:58 here. Tara 03:58 But yes, it's the same problem as we had with or maybe just me, as I had with the L prequel show and we talked about that a couple months ago where it's like if the lessons of the source material were learned What are we doing back here? Like if this is supposed to be before the Grinch stole Christmas, then I don't know why the Who's weren't more prepared for him to steal Christmas, cause they have a whole early warning Sarah 04:22 Mm-hmm. Tara 04:24 signal. Dave 04:25 I feel like in this world and this special, the Grinch is the Who's Krampus. Tara 04:30 Yeah. Dave 04:30 And if this is a prequel, I suppose that makes sense, although I would think the Who's would be more terrified Tara 04:34 Mm-hmm. Dave 04:38 and more on the ball when it comes to tracking when the Grinch is gonna come and do whatever he does. Tara 04:43 Right. Dave 04:44 Skin people alive and eat their bones. Tara 04:45 R Well, that's the thing, because I I'm not even clearer on I wouldn't have Dave 04:49 What happens? Tara 04:50 Right, I wouldn't have known about the Grinch Night Ball or whatever if I hadn't read it on Wikipedia, because I'll be honest, I was taking notes, but my mind frequently wandered Dave 04:55 Yeah. Sarah 05:00 Yeah. Dave 05:00 What is the play here? Does he come in and like dance? Is like does he get into a groove? Is there like a disco tech thing happening? Tara 05:07 Right. Dave 05:07 What is the terror part of the Grinch night here? Tara 05:09 Mm-hmm Dave 05:10 Is unresolved. Tara 05:11 He has this big caravan or whatever that he's riding down to the town. Like, does he have each who individually enter it? Like we see Yukaraya do? Like I don't get what his end game is And if this is supposed to be what is continued to happen after his heart grew three sizes that day and then I guess shrank back down, like Dave 05:32 Yeah, well, it's sort of like when Luke Skywalker and everybody's efforts in the Star Wars trilogy are for naught because it's just like well the Empire's back guys. Tara 05:41 Yeah Dave 05:42 It just feels like that. It's like why did we bother? Tara 05:44 , Dave 05:44 Thanks for sacrificing everything Darth Vader, but guess what? We're back to Squarewood. Tara 05:48 Right. Sarah 05:49 I could have strayed off Tara 05:49 Yes. Sarah 05:50 target. What was this for? Dave 05:51 Yeah. I didn't have to be at work that day at all. Tara 05:56 Yeah, what you really want if this is the sequel is the ending to be like the SNL, it's a wonderful life sketch from the 80s where it was like the original lost ending where everyone kills it. Dave 06:06 Or Tara 06:06 That's what I want. Dave 06:07 go the Star Wars route where it's just the Grinch Tara 06:08 Mm-hmm. Dave 06:09 again, except he's bigger. Tara 06:10 Yeah, sure. Dave 06:11 Yeah Sarah 06:11 Mm-hmm. Tara 06:11 One of my earliest memories of I would say discernment as a TV watching child is when I would watch Looney Tunes and you would see the director and like m that didn't mean anything to me as a kid until I learned who Chuck Jones and Frizz Freeling were Dave 06:26 Yeah. Sarah 06:27 Mm-hmm. Tara 06:27 And knew that a Chuck Jones one would be good and a Friz Freelang one would be dumb and look shitty. And that is borne out here because Chuck Jones animated the original, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, and Friz Freeling is behind this one And it looks like crap. Dave 06:42 It is really rough Although I did not mind the weirder parts of the dream sequences or whether they're supposed to be the terror sequences. I don't know what exactly we were meant to Tara 06:53 Yeah. Dave 06:54 think those were some are in the credits and then one of the who 's basically goes on a Halloween junk trip for about ninety seconds. Tara 07:00 Yes, it's Dave 07:01 That was okay. But yeah the rest of it seemed like really like, oh, it feels like we needed another pass at this and Very um scratchy Tara 07:10 Yes, I agree Sarah 07:11 Yeah. Tara 07:12 The emotional evolution of Max the Dog is part of this story. He looks suicidal even before we get to this song. Let's hear clip one. Clip 07:22 How many times have I said and said, How many times have I said in my head, what am I doing? Why am I the slave of this cringy old crock? And I say how I wish I could turn back the clock and have the fine future I had once before. And again be an innocent puppy once more. In your puppy house, baby, with sweet auntie Woofy Wolfoon, feeding you hominy grits with a big silver spoon. What am I? I do in here doesn't matter much how, but my dear old Auntie Woofie, wouldn't I fear? Very much care for me now. Sarah 08:23 That's Henry Gibson, I believe, of um Tara 08:24 Yes, it is Sarah 08:25 Rona Martin et al. This is just a very, I don't even know how to put it, but it's like this is for children Dave 08:34 Yeah. Tara 08:34 Yeah. Sarah 08:35 But they just assume children are extremely stupid and impervious to the messaging of or mood of a song. Dave 08:44 Or Tara 08:44 Mm-hmm. Dave 08:45 we all have to learn about Reek from Game of Thrones at some point and might as well be Max the Dog as Reek. Tara 08:53 Yeah. Sarah 08:53 This is the kind of thing that my parents would have let me watch at the time because it was Four kids and from a you know storied franchise and it's the kind of thing that I would have watched but not enjoyed Because I barely got to watch anything, but this kind of like late 70s, it's like the more modern Tom and Jerry's, too. Tara 09:15 Mm-hmm. Sarah 09:16 There's just that like Tara 09:16 Yes. Sarah 09:17 frisson of drugs in it that like when you're little you can't really put a name on why it's not comfortable, but there's just something not for kids about it. and not enjoyable and the trippiness of it I wouldn't have enjoyed, but it was TV, so I would have gutted it out. Had that same feeling watching it now. Dave 09:38 Back to Max for a sec. He's pulling the paraphernalia wagon, which I was like, alright, speaking about drugs. Sarah 09:44 Mm-hmm. Dave 09:44 But there is a point where the woo kid, the boy, what's his name again? Tara 09:48 Mm-hmm. Euchariah, who Dave 09:50 Yukaraya. Tara 09:51 he's a who, not a woo. Dave 09:53 Woohoo. Woo-hoo. And he sort of befriends him. He's like, Oh, I'm gonna take you home, you poor dog, because like you just seem to be abandoned Tied to this wagon at a certain point. And then there's some stuff that happens. The kid goes on his drug trip, the cringes, challenges, blah blah blah. All this stuff happens. And then there's a point where he realizes that the dog is the Grinch's dog and the dog is whimpering and the kid's just like, see if Tara 10:19 Yeah, good luck. Dave 10:20 good luck and he fucks off Sarah 10:21 Yeah Dave 10:22 before the dog runs after him for some reason after that betrayal. Tara 10:26 Mm-hmm. Dave 10:26 So this dog just has it so bad. I felt I felt genuinely bad for Max here. Like not like Tara 10:31 Yes. Dave 10:32 boo-hoo, I'm sympathizing with the character, but like you fucking monsters who wrote this. Tara 10:36 Yes Dave 10:36 What is wrong with you? Tara 10:37 Yeah, even before anything starts happening, we see him in the Grinch's cave, and he already looks like a dog who's about to die. Sarah 10:38 Yeah. Tara 10:46 Like by his own paw or otherwise. Dave 10:48 Or just missing like the rib bones Tara 10:50 Yes. Dave 10:51 on his side to make it like a complete, you know, Sarah McLaughlin situation. Sarah 10:56 They were suggested that he did not look well fed. Tara 10:56 Oh God Mm-hmm. Dave 10:59 Yeah Tara 11:00 And if the Grinch can hear or read his thoughts, because we hear him responding in the song that in the clip we just heard, why didn't that come up in the Christmas show? If they have like telepathy. Dave 11:09 I don't know. Tara 11:10 Anyway, other than the general sense of dread, the special is almost over before anything Halloween -y happens, I would say. Dave 11:17 Yeah. Tara 11:19 And when it does, clip two. Clip 11:21 Wil wil will you please scare me some more, sir? I I I sort of like it Tara 11:27 Oh, I hate that. Dave 11:28 Oh the Who's are into some stuff. Tara 11:32 Well, uh BDSM art I will say is top of mind because we're about to record an episode of our sister podcast again with again with this about secretary, but this feels like fifty shades of Grinch to me. Dave 11:42 Yeah Sarah 11:43 Yeah. Tara 11:43 I don't like it Sarah 11:44 No. Dave 11:45 Yeah, they grow up fast in Hooville. Sarah 11:49 Yikes Tara 11:51 Anyway, that's Halloween is Grinch night. Dave 11:53 Oh, we're not done yet. Tara 11:54 Oh, we're not? Dave 11:54 Hang on a second. Yeah, I got just got a couple clips I need to play. Tara 11:55 Okay. Oh, okay, great Dave 11:57 Uh one is between Zachariah's parents speaking about fetishes. Clip 12:05 And he whispered to his wife, Mariah, will you also take a whiff? Dave 12:12 Uh look forward to this on the soundboard in the future. Clip 12:15 Their troubles will now commence. Dave 12:19 And Tara 12:19 Okay. Dave 12:19 I set it up top, but just to prove that I wasn't making it up. Clip 12:23 Mm, it's a wonderful night for eyebrows. Dave 12:28 I don't know when the next Peter Gallagher TV show is gonna come up, but when it does, you can look forward to hearing that clip again. Sarah 12:33 mm Tara 12:34 Fantastic. All right, so it wasn't a total loss Dave 12:44 Alright, strap in. It's time for everybody's favorite question and answer segment is Ask EHG Tara 13:06 Nice Dave 13:11 Alright. It is Ask EHG, which means first we must deal with last week's Ask Ask EHG.let's spin the wheel of judgment. Clip 13:20 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dave 13:22 Well, that wheels need some oil. It's Sarah. Sarah 13:25 Oh my god, I'm gonna break that wheel. I don't like that soundtrap at all. Dave 13:29 But guys, I'm on so many painkillers and pills right now. I I'm surprised I've managed to hit the keyboard, frankly. Sarah 13:36 This week's Ask Ask AHGquestion came from Jovial Gent, who posed the following query what TVclergy person would you want to go out on the town with Dave I believe you have an answer for this one Dave 13:50 Yeah, I put it in the chat when it first came up on Discord, but my vote is for Imhotep from Look Around You. He charted number five on the uh whatever the charts are in Britain. And he was a scribe, which is the priest class in ancient Egypt, so he he qualifies. So knight on the town with Imhotep. Sarah 14:06 Why not? What could go wrong? Dave 14:08 Also he's invisible. Sarah 14:09 Hmm. My answer was Father Dan Hastings, played by Neil Huff. From Mayor of East Town. That's the guy who's always at the kitchen table drinking Manhattan's and playing cards with Gene Smart's Helen. We wouldn't exactly be ripping it up. We'd be at some local watching some sport and snarking on the other patrons, probably, but that's the dream, frankly, in my opinion. Lots of interesting listener answers here that tended towards the I think this person would actually like to stay home and do crafts, which is why I want to not go out on the not town with them, but that's okay. Dave 14:42 Right. Sarah 14:43 Make it your own. Malexic said, I'm going with the Mother Superior from Mrs. Davis. I don't want to get dragged into Sister Simone's adventure nonsense because that seems like way too much work. that hanging at the convent and making jam would be right up my alley. LTsaid, I'm going out with David from Evil. Why? Because my culture is hot, she could've stopped there, she didn't. While I don't believe in ghosts or Satan, an evening of solving supernatural mysteries is more fun than just drinking in a bar. Sister Knight was not alone in saying, Hot priest from Fleabag if out on the town means to my bed. But the winner of the stickers this week is Lucely Lawless. Father Bra from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, if Josh, White, Josh, and Hector tag along, I think it would be an amusing time at the Little League sports bar with a high likelihood of someone breaking out in song. Uh you can't beat that for a Friday night, in my opinion. Loosely lawless. Please contact Dave on Discord for your sticker pricing. Dave 15:45 Thank you. Let's get to your questions for us this week. First one comes from Tara Ariano. Tara, do you want to ask this? Tara 15:51 Sure, I do. A Seinfeld sequel reveals that one of the core four characters was a serial killer all along. Which one and why did you pick them? Because I think a credible case could be made for any one of them. I feel I I'm on here to go first, but I think Sarah should go first as our true crime expert. Sarah 16:09 Okay, I went with Kramer, not because he's a weirdo, although that's not not part of it, but because If I recall correctly, we are always discovering weird skills and gossamer contacts that Kramer has way outside of the core group's predictable circles. So his having a completely other existence as like the West Side Strangler would track for him. That and the idea that he started killing accidentally slash because he flailed too forcefully near someone. And then it just went from there is like I feel very creamer coated. But it's also kind of that the others don't seem like as good of candidates comparatively. I feel like Elaine is insufficiently covert. Jerry is too fastidious to fuck with body disposal. George has the right attitude for lack of a better term, but would find murder such an annoying pain in the ass logistically that he wouldn't get past one before giving up on the project. And that leaves us with Kramer, but I'm very interested to hear other people's theories. Tara 17:14 I forgot until you started talking about Kramer that canonically there is an episode, the trip, the one where George and Jerry go to LA, where he gets arrested as a serial killer known as the Smog Strangler, which he's not, but there is suspicion of him doing that. Sarah 17:28 Wow. Yeah. Tara 17:30 My answer actually is Jerry Sarah 17:31 Mm-hmm. Tara 17:33 because he visits many American cities for very short stints. He can he's essentially a drifter. He can be forgettably bland. He's extremely even tempered until he's not, and I think his compulsive tidiness means he leaves no trace evidence at crime scenes. Dave 17:48 Yeah. Tara 17:48 We have seen in the show he's not scared of cleaning. He'll do it. He cleaned his whole entire place when he thought Kristen Sarah 17:52 Right Tara 17:54 Davis dropped his toothbrush in the toilet. Sarah 17:57 Right. Tara 17:57 Uh Sarah 17:57 Yeah, true. Tara 17:57 so Dave. Dave 17:59 Well, I went through them all to figure out which one was the actual best truest serial killer. Tara 18:04 Mm-hmm. Dave 18:04 I think George is the quiet, impotent rage serial killer. It just bubbles up and then he acts and then it calms down again and he has to charge up his serial killer batteries. Sarah 18:08 Mm-hmm. Tara 18:11 Mm-hmm. Dave 18:14 Elaine is the opportunistic killer who hunts for material gains like the right apartment by offing the person or like, you know, sponges or whatever. Kramer is the show's version of the Zodiac Killer, but all the jazz surrounding it is even weirder, like the codes and the ciphers and the symbols, even more inscrutable. Also, I think Kramer is the closest to like that guy in Chicago that like built the murder house with all the like the little zones and Sarah 18:41 H. H. Holmes Dave 18:42 yes, thank you. Sarah 18:43 buried a hundred yards from my great-great-grandfather, weirdly. Tara 18:46 Oh damn. Dave 18:46 Good for him. Sarah 18:48 Yeah. Dave 18:48 Uh but I'm also gonna go Jerry. I think Jerry is the one that eats people. I don't know why exactly, but I get that vibe from him. Like when he went feral in the muffin top episode at in the bus when he was sort of like Sarah 18:58 Yeah Tara 18:59 Mm-hmm. Dave 18:59 scratching his chest 'cause he had waxed it or shaved it or whatever earlier. Tara 19:02 Shaved it, yes. Sarah 19:03 Serial C E R E Dave 19:05 Yeah, that's true. Sarah 19:05 A L Killer, maybe Tara 19:06 Oh, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yep Dave 19:07 He is a serial killer. Sarah 19:07 would be Jerry. Dave 19:08 Good point. He's that too. Sarah 19:10 Mm-hmm. Dave 19:10 But I think Jerry is probably my pick for the one that would actually be the most likely to be serial killer. Sarah 19:15 You make good points. Dave 19:17 All right, Kara asks, is there a living writer who writing is an instant buy, Sarah? You're like, oh. Sarah 19:26 Am I like that? Dave 19:26 Oh wait, hang on sec. Sarah 19:27 Wow. Tara 19:27 Exactly like that. Dave 19:28 Let me close out the Seinfeld thing. All right. Writers Sarah 19:38 Well, who are not known to me personally, uh The esteemed colleagues Pamela Koloff and Skip Hollinsworth of Texas Monthly and Jeff Gwynn and Patrick Radden Keefe. Dave! Dave 19:51 I mean, not really. The Lord, but we're still waiting for that one. Sequel to that one, so. Tara 19:55 Mm-hmm. Dave 19:56 Tara. Tara 19:57 Yeah, n for me, not really either. It used to be Curtis Sittenfield until she broke her streak with that Hillary Clinton novel. And even Margaret Atwood, who is my favorite of all time. Sarah 20:04 Oh yeah. Tara 20:08 has not blown me away since the Mad Dadam trilogy, so yeah, it's kind of a no for me as well. Dave 20:14 Tomorrow the Fox, what causes you to go back and try a show again if you initially didn't like it? Uh overwhelming chatter and I mean overwhelming chatter, just not a few people saying I liked it, because that doesn't mean anything. Sarah 20:26 Mm-hmm. Dave 20:28 And or personal wrecks from people who really know my tastes, which is a very small circle, because also tastes and tolerances. I think the tolerance part is a big part of the equation, just not Sarah 20:38 Yes. Dave 20:41 the stuff you like, but the you know how much you can take and that kind of thing. Uh Sarah 20:44 Mm-hmm. Dave 20:45 one thing that does not sway me is awards. Tara 20:47 Mm-hmm. Dave 20:47 Yeah. Try. Tara 20:48 Yeah, same. Similarly, if people I respect are extremely effusive about a show, later season reviews specifically call out stuff the show is doing better than it was initially. My best example for this is Happy Endings, which had a very piloty pilot that turned me off, but then Sarah 21:04 Uh Tara 21:05 All my critic follows on Twitter really hyped for it when it came back for season two, so I dipped back in and they were right. Sarah. Sarah 21:11 Almost nothing because life's too short, but if I get a give it another look, come in at season two type of rec from Tara and Dave. My brother Dave or John, they are the most likely to understand my initial objection and assess whether the show has adequately addressed, like fixed that bug as it settles in. So I will try it again. The only exception to that really was the Americans, which that was like overwhelming chatter. We got enough canon pitches for it and I was like impressed with it that I was like, maybe I was unfair to this, let's try it again. And I don't regret it, but generally it's like, look, there's a lot of TV and I can't do this. Dave 21:49 Yeah. Koala 82, how often do you travel to other countries to watch television shows, Tara? Tara 21:55 Well, it depends what is currently airing in other nations. Last week we traveled three times. Dave 22:01 Mm-hmm. Tara 22:01 This week it was just once. Dave 22:02 Yeah. Tara 22:03 Dave. Dave 22:03 A few times a week, I think, on average, anyways. Sarah 22:05 Like once a month. I'm not as uh England forward in my viewing as my co hosts. Dave 22:12 Rube Goldberg, what are your favorite herbs and spices? And which herbs and spices can go to hell? Sarah. Sarah 22:20 My favorites are garlic, dillweed, and of course, coriander and delicious cumin. And uh I don't have any spices that can go to hell. I'm not one of those um never tarragon people. Tara. Tara 22:34 I was curious if garlic would count. I feel like that's controversial for some, but in order to sneak it in, I would say garlic powder and chili powder. Sarah 22:42 Sure Tara 22:43 Cinnamon and but dill is probably my number one. And spice that can go to hell. I'm only saying this because I know she still has not figured out how Patreon works, but when I was a kid, my mother used to make I believe a Weight Watchers recipe that was truly just like chicken breasts with oregano and that's it. And it was just like they would just Sarah 23:02 Oh, I think it's Tara 23:03 It didn't feel seasoned because it wasn't. It was just like having grass on a piece of chicken breast, and it turned me off oregano um forever. Dave. Dave 23:12 Mm. Clove Tara 23:14 Mm-hmm. Dave 23:14 Cooman Tara 23:15 These are your favorites. Dave 23:16 Yeah, these Tara 23:16 Uh-huh. Dave 23:17 are the best. Tara 23:17 Okay. Dave 23:18 Uh sumac, cilantro, chipotle chili powder, a little bit better than regular chili powder. Sarah 23:23 Ajá Dave 23:24 Aleppo or Cayenne Pepper, tasty. Anise, cardamom, those are my favorites, I think. I have Sarah 23:30 , mm. Dave 23:31 another in-between stage called Go to Heck, and that's Sage. Go to Hell, Ty Basil. Tara 23:38 Hmm. Sarah 23:39 Oh, yeah Dave 23:39 You're like, oh Basil this is a basil. What is this? Yuck. Give it a different name. Seeken! I know canonically the answer is JT Walsh, correct, but who is the character actor that you remember being your first hey it's that guy? Tara, do you know who Don Lake is? Tara 23:55 Yeah, of course. Dave 23:55 Yeah, I think that's my first one that I'm like I've seen that guy in other things. He is a Canadian character actor, bald from birth, classic seventies dad mustache. Did a lot of stuff for like Super Dave and the Bazaar crew back in the day, so I probably knew him from that as a kid, watching Bazaar, understanding one quarter of it at most. Just waiting for those guys with all the t-shirts. Not getting any of those jokes, but it was funny because they were wearing all the t-shirts. He was the detective in Terminator 2, and he recently was in a whole bunch of episodes of Space Force. He was one of the main characters there. Tara 24:30 Yeah. Dave 24:30 So he was my first. Tara 24:31 You've also seen that guy in um Christopher Guest projects as well. Dave 24:34 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tara 24:36 He was a series regular on watching Ellie of all things. Dave 24:36 Absolutely. Yep. Yeah, he also is in a lot of Bonnie Hunt stuff, so I think he might be friends with Bonnie Hunt. Sarah 24:42 Hmm. Tara 24:43 Mm-hmm. Dave 24:43 Yeah. Sarah. Sarah 24:44 I think it may literally have been JT Walsh for me, but I wanted to shout out the first one I wrote up as a hey, it's that guy for Fame Tracker, R. I. P. Hey, it's that corrupt judge or CFOharris Eulin. Tara 24:57 Yeah, we miss him. Sarah 24:58 It almost certainly was someone who appeared in multiple Law and Orders of the Early Seasons, like a Dennis O'Hare or Bootsick Harris. But I think it was probably JT. Tara 25:08 Mm-hmm. Well this was hard for me to remember because as people will probably have intuited from listening to me in game time, I have a weird brain where I just remember and stuff like this. But it was probably tracking Paul Gleason from being the principal in the Breakfast Club to being a detective in Die Hard Sarah 25:24 Mm, mhm Tara 25:28 that it was like, oh it's that guy and then I learned his name Sarah 25:29 , mhm, mhm. Tara 25:31 and the rest is history. Dave 25:32 Gonna need some new FBI guys. Tara 25:34 Yep. Dave 25:37 DPOV16, I was listening to an old EHE episode from 2023 where you were all discussing your tracking methods for upcoming TV shows. Does Sarah still keep the Grand Excel for the list? Does Tara still use the Just Watch app? And does Dave still use just Tara? Tara, what is your system these days any different? Tara 25:58 No, it's the same. Dave 25:59 Mm-hmm. Sarah? Sarah 26:00 I still have the list. Dave 26:01 Yeah. Sarah 26:02 Dave. Dave 26:02 I continue to refuse to do any scheduling and just ask Tara when we're gonna watch whatever. We're all creatures of habit and we're still doing what we were doing from three years ago. Sarah 26:11 Listen Dave 26:11 Sister Knight, in a recent episode, Tar referred to the Kermit Grooving meme as Kermit Sarah 26:17 , Dave 26:17 's sensual dancing and with some real sauce. Sarah 26:21 you can Dave 26:21 Since I'm certain you have done at least one Muppet Bass fuck Mary Kill, I guess I just need Tara to clarify whether or not she finds Kermit sexy. Tara 26:30 No, I'm not Monica Geller. I I'm not attracted to Kermit, but I think we might be thinking of different memes because the one that I first became the one I was referring to, I bel I guess was a meme before it got added. succession theme song got added to it. So he's like sort of undulating. It's like it's not like his crazy arms waving Dave 26:50 Yeah. Tara 26:51 cheer. Dave 26:51 Uh huh. Tara 26:52 It's Sarah 26:52 Right Tara 26:52 it's that. And so I think it's been slowed down the one that I saw Dave 26:56 Yeah. Tara 26:57 to fit this succession music. Dave 26:58 Uh-huh. Tara 26:59 So that makes it look sensual. Dave 27:01 Uh-huh. But he doesn't boil your potatoes. Tara 27:04 No Dave 27:05 Okay. Alright. Who is the sexiest Muppet? Sarah 27:08 I think we need an Ask Ask EHG.what theme song would the Kermit like if you slow that down and put a theme song over it Tara 27:18 Mm-hmm. Sarah 27:19 What's the best match? Tara 27:20 Right. Sarah 27:20 Because I of course have got to go with Cold Case. Tara 27:23 Hmm. And Dave, if your question is who's the sexiest Muppet? Dave 27:26 Who is the sexiest Muppet? Tara 27:27 It's the the man Muppet, uh the man pig from Pigs in Space. Whatever that guy's name is. Dave 27:33 Uh, Link Heart Throb? Tara 27:34 Thank you. Dave 27:35 Yeah. Tara 27:35 Yep. Sarah 27:36 Oh my god. Dave 27:36 All right. Sarah 27:37 He looks like James Vanderbeek though a little bit. Tara 27:38 He does Dave 27:39 Yeah. Not um the newsman. Tara 27:42 Mm-mm. Dave 27:43 Hmm. He's he Tara 27:43 No, he's got he's like all nose and then doesn't really have a mouth. Dave 27:46 's all nose. All right. Tara 27:47 You know what I mean? Dave 27:48 Yep. Tara 27:49 Mm-hmm Dave 27:49 Deathho, your fellow co-host won a year's supply of something. Cthulhu has decided to play what what is your fascination with Cthulhu, Diatho? Cthulhu has decided to play Monkey Paw. What do the others win? Tara wins a year supply of egg McMuffins. The monkey paw curls. And the egg McMuffins are delivered each morning at 8 a. m. by Angus McDonald and his bagpipe troop. Sarah, Sarah 28:16 Ouch. Dave 28:17 guess a year's supply of Diet Coke, monkey ball curls, is just one giant can. Tara 28:25 I, full disclosure, missed this question when I was doing my prep, so I did it very quickly while we were doing this, and I guess I did it wrong because I just have Sarah winning raisins and Dave winning olives. It's the thing and you hate, but it's lots of it. Dave 28:35 You think you did do it wrong. Tara 28:38 Sarah. Dave 28:38 Are you familiar with the monkey Tara 28:40 Yeah, alright, come back to me. Dave 28:40 pa? Okay. No, that's alright. Tara 28:42 Geez. Dave 28:43 You can just wallow in your failure. Tara 28:44 Alright, sorry. Dave 28:44 Sarah. Sarah 28:45 All right, Dave gets a year supply of coffee crisp, the monkey paw curls, and it's a year supply of coffee crisp. Dave 28:49 Mm. All right. Sarah 28:54 Tara gets uh your supply of Breton striped tees, but then the monkey paw curls and all the sleeve lengths go haywire, like one has no sleeves on one side Tara 29:06 mm, mm, yeah Sarah 29:06 and a long sleeve, another one has like the sleeves go down past your fingers. Dave 29:11 Uh Sarah 29:12 Yeah Dave 29:12 I was going darker. She loses both her arms in a combine accident. Sarah 29:17 Wow, no Dave 29:20 I'll take care of you now. Sarah 29:20 Jesus Dave 29:22 Flame Splash has your ask ask ESGquestion. Painkiller Sarah 29:27 My Dave 29:27 scripping Sarah 29:27 God. Dave 29:28 in. What otherwise okay or hard-to-watch shows are worth it for the standout episodes? You got a candidate there. Go to our Discord. There's an Ask Ask EHG channel. Plop your answer there. Or you can go to the episode page on our site. Plop your answer there. And we'll see it. It is time for the tiny cannon presenting today is Margaret. Margaret, take it away! Clip 29:50 You gotta have a gimmick. Make the celebrity eat hot wings. Cover them in puppies. Do a lie detector test. You gotta have a gimmick in our current humiliation-prone era of movie promotion. Even the biggest stars in the world are forced to dance down spirit tunnels by frazzled PRs who are desperate to eke out a viral moment. It takes more than shoving a little boo boo in Liam Neeson's face and demanding, How'd you feel about that, white boy? To produce something that makes people stop and say, Hey, did you see it? For this press junket tiny canon submission Just two celebrities in a bland hotel room with an interviewer. You recognise them, it's Ryan Gosling and Harrison Ford. They're in London to promote Blade Runner 2049. Harrison Ford is still being mic'd up and not paying much attention when our clip starts, with the interviewer talking about the original Blade Runner movie with Ryan. Clip one. So I thought, you know, attention to details for fans will probably like that. That's so cool that you did that. Are you a fan of the originals? Never seen it. That's the sound of interviewer Alison Hammond laughing. It's one of the few known elements in the world, along with carpentry, Callista Flock art, and selected herbal products, known to bring Harrison Ford joy. In the clip, you see him jolt to life with a joy de Fevre I don't think I've seen since Working Girl? Alison throws him a softball question about what he thought about making the sequel Then Ari immediately derails him by drinking whiskey with Ryan, only to interrupt his attempt at an answer in clip two. I said How much as when show me the money There is a brief attempt by Alison to even up the questioning. She does ask Harrison, shall we talk to Ryan? But when she brings up knitting with Ryan Gosling, much like Weezer's sweeter, he unravels clip three. I don't know what to say now. I don't know. Is this an interview or is this uh right, I'll go with you. Thank you. The cameras are nice. How does a definitively 20th century entity like the movie and the old-fashioned movie star exist in our fractured, attention-based, contemporary media ecosystem? How do we preserve and maintain the cultural treasures that define us in an age of generative AI and endless slop? Perhaps there is no better answer than one found in a clip. From the UK Light Entertainment television show This Morning, recorded eight years ago and uploaded to YouTube where it has 23 million views to date. Tell us about it, Harrison. Clip four. There is a darkness and there is a dystopian atmosphere, but there is also a triumph of the human spirit. I mean bested. Is there a mic I can drop? When Harrison Ford returned to the promotional circuit for the TV show 1923, he had one demand. His only UK appearance would be for this morning, and it had to be with Allison Hammond. Tara 33:09 Thank you, Margaret. This was delightful in my opinion, but Sarah, why don't you start us off? Sarah 33:15 Margaret, a contributor at Best Evidence, uh just wrote a lovely piece for us about a Lizzie Borden jukebox musical and uh ways that Margaret's mind works in terms of pitching things is a delightful planet and I hope to visit it one day. This was a delight immediately. I wasn't totally sure what the sort of angle was gonna be. Like, is this Harrison Ford being crustily defiant in the face of Allison Hammond's extreme charm? Is it the opposite? But once he reached across Ryan Gosling to get Ryan Gosling 's whiskey, I was like, mm-hmm, this is canonical, absolutely. She is so charming and winning and has elevated or like re-elevated Baking Show after a couple of three seasons where like the Co-hosts were not. Sandy just like the minute she was off the show, couldn't stop talking shit about how it was a miserable experience. Matt Lucas was just Matt Lucas, it just was not a good fit. Whatever. The instant she arrived in the tent, it was like, oh, here we go. Like, drop back into gear. Let's go. Anywhere else that I see her, I am charmed. And especially here where she is immediately like laughing hysterically at her own shit. Like in this way that's very welcoming, I guess. She is great. She has unbelievable charisma, very friendly, warm presence, but also very funny. And that laugh is one of a kind. It's Gorgeous. And this was a delight for everyone involved. You actually love to see people actually seeming legitimately to enjoy a Bullshit morning show experience. So you can't beat that, truly. Excellent submission. Thank you, Margaret. Dave 35:09 First of all, what is this Liam Neeson thing she's talking about? Tara 35:12 I don't know. Dave 35:13 Okay. Sounded like that everybody knew about that one, but nobody does. The other thing I guess to add to Sarah is that this is a high level of difficulty, that you're on a press junket and you're thousands of miles away from home and it's probably very early in the morning and you have another 12 hours of this. Sarah 35:22 Mm-hmm. Dave 35:30 No thank you. Sarah 35:31 And you're old. Dave 35:31 Plus it's Harrison Fort Fucking Sarah 35:33 And your hair Dave 35:33 what am I doing here? Sarah 35:34 said forward. Tara 35:34 Yeah. Sarah 35:35 Yep. Dave 35:35 Uh she makes it all happen. It is in the word infectious and you just Can't not laugh while you're watching this. I had never even heard about this before, so it was all new to me, and I thought it was delightful. Tara 35:49 I agree. By the way, I looked it up. I guess this was a Fox. The Liam Neeson thing was a Fox News interview from last year where he went viral for his answer to what is a laboo-boo. This was during the Naked Gun remake or sequel press tour, I guess. We'll link that in the show notes. This I picked it obviously because Al cause Allison is back on our TVs again. The latest season of bake off just started and thank God because I really didn't realize how much I missed her until she came back. She really is. Sarah's right. Such a perfect presence for that show. I didn't know anything about her career before that, because I am not. English, I assumed that she was a presenter of some kind, but I didn't realize it was like this on a morning show and she's so good. Sarah 36:30 Me neither Tara 36:31 When you do a press junket like this as an interviewer, it is So soul-killing, first of all, because you know you're gonna be wherever you are in the order, they're not happy to see you. It takes their whole Sarah 36:42 No Tara 36:43 their whole stupid day. They're answering the same questions over and over and over again. So whenever I am in a position to do an interview on this side. I always try to like just do as much research as I possibly can and ask something that I have not already seen them answer somewhere else. Sarah 36:59 mhm, mhm Tara 37:00 I will usually finish with a funny one. Didn't occur to me. I mean, I'm no Allison Hammond who is to just go into it being like, we're gonna just do all funny ones. We're gonna just be ridiculous. I'm gonna say straight up, I've never seen the movie you're talking about. Immediately disarm them by self-deprecating. I've never seen Harrison Ford so animated, like on or off script. He's So delighted so instantly, like for Margaret to say his demand about his latest junket was I only want to talk to Allison. Like, yeah, of course. Sarah 37:36 Mm-hmm. Tara 37:37 I have seen Ryan Gosling giggle like this in an interview before, and perhaps I will pitch it in the future, but there's a a famous episode of Graham Norton that he was on with Greg Davies, where he like just was helplessly destroyed by the story that Greg Davies is telling. Dave 37:52 That one I'd say. Tara 37:53 Yes, I've shown that to you. Dave 37:55 Yeah. Tara 37:55 Fantastic. It inspired me to just get weird with it in the future. Again, I am not fit to touch the hem of Allison Hammond's garment on any. level, but she's shown me a different way to go with this uh extremely bullshitty interview situation. Dave 38:11 All right, Sara D. Bunting, what do you say officially on the cannonworthiness, comma, tininess of this argument? Sarah 38:19 Oh, this morning is a sunny one. It's a yes for me. Tara 38:24 Me too Dave 38:24 Alright, so Hammond interviewing Ford and Gosling from this morning hereby inducted into the extra hot, great, tiny press junket cannon. Clip 38:36 Americans love a winner. Yep. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave 38:42 It is time to discover who are not quite winners and not quite losers of the week. I will go first. Our first not quite winner is twenty-one Jump Street getting yet another sequel coming in December of next year with the original movie cast returning. So here's my theory. I just want to put it out there so that when you watch it and you're like, oh yeah, Dave said that. Tara 39:03 Mm-hmm. Dave 39:04 So there was 21 and then 22. Tara 39:06 Yes. Dave 39:06 This is going to be called 24. Tara 39:08 Oh. Dave 39:09 Okay, so there's one that's missing. Tara 39:11 Mm-hmm. Dave 39:12 And previous to this sequel, there was that aborted 21 Jump Street Men in Black crossover thing they were gonna do Tara 39:19 Right. Dave 39:19 My theory is why they're calling this twenty four is there gonna be an in joke in the movie that there is lost time for all the lead characters, and that lost time was the movie they never made with the men in black. Tara 39:29 I could Dave 39:29 They got neuralized by the men in black. Tara 39:29 see it. Yep, I could see it. Sarah 39:31 Uh-huh. Dave 39:32 Uh huh. Tara 39:32 Mm-hmm. Dave 39:32 Alright, putting it out Sarah 39:32 Sure. Dave 39:33 there in the universe. Tara 39:33 Nice. Dave 39:34 And I have a second winner. It's kind of a winner, maybe a loser. Battle of the Network Stars Tara 39:39 Mm-hmm Dave 39:40 getting revived. Oh! As Battle of the Streaming Stars , okay. On Roku. Sarah 39:47 Mm. Dave 39:48 That was those were the Tara 39:50 Yeah. Dave 39:53 Andokite Loser, but also kind of winner is the Director General of the BBC, winner for having the following name, Matthew Britton. Tara 40:02 Yeah. Dave 40:02 Well done. Sarah 40:03 Mm-hmm. Tara 40:03 Spelled a different way, but pronounce Britain. Dave 40:05 Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Tara 40:06 Mm-hmm. No, you're right Dave 40:07 Loser because he's seen the fifteen minute Doctor Who episode that was fully AI generated and he's like, Yeah, that was pretty good. There's the guy making shows at BBC.enjoy, British people. Tara 40:18 Seriously, especially now, like the BBC has put out a tender for like different s Dave 40:22 Yep. Tara 40:23 production companies to like come and pitch their concepts for reviving Doctor Who. Dave 40:27 Mm-hmm. Tara 40:28 And so if I was one of those other creators, I'd be like, well, fuck this. I don't want to do this Sarah 40:32 Mm-hmm. Tara 40:32 if he if his taste is, eh, this was good enough. Dave 40:36 Mm-hmm. Tara 40:36 Anyway. Dave 40:37 Sir Sarah 40:38 My not quite winner is HBO's The Trial of Louise Woodward, which has added Hugh Lori. I am pretty sure that every single British actor is now in the trial of Louise Woodward. Dave 40:45 , Sarah 40:49 But it is a good roster and I am looking forward to that. Not quite loser, Martha Stewart, who was accused by new Real Housewives of New York City star Haley Glassman of dining and dashing at the polo bar. I can't decide which is more dispiriting. That she did it purposefully or that she did it because she's in her 80s and just forgot. Tara 41:15 Yeah, I mean I think it's like she showed up, they invited her over, she hung out for a bit and ordered something and then was like, All right, see ya and just l stuck them with the bill more so than she ordered and left before me. Sarah 41:26 Right Tara 41:27 It's just like, you guys got this right, all right, goodbye. Sarah 41:30 Wow. Okay. Tara 41:32 My not quite winner of the week is Reacher getting an early season six renewal shortly after season four wrapped with 66 million viewers in 28 days, whatever that may mean. If those numbers are even real, who's to say? But more Reachers still coming, at least two more seasons, which is good. Minot loser of the week is Alex Earl, the star of Earl Meets World. She is an influencer She claimed that in an interview with Interview Magazine this week that she has never read a book and when pushed back said, Well, maybe Dr. Seuss. Dave 42:08 Hmm. Yeah, but she went to Book Magazine and she said she's never done an interview. So, better get your story straight. Tara 42:17 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure this is all Sarah 42:17 Yeah. Tara 42:20 fake, like she graduated from some kind of school. I'm sure she's read a book. Like it's different Dave 42:25 Pictograph you Tara 42:27 Well, yeah, I I don't know if she went to college. I assume she's graduated high school, but I Dave 42:32 Win, lose, or educate Tara 42:33 Yeah. I I'm sure this is just a s first of all, trolling to get a new Dave 42:38 Yes. Tara 42:39 in the news and it worked, so congrats Dave 42:41 Yeah, you fell for it, Tara. Tara 42:42 I know, but uh Dave 42:43 You dole Tara 42:44 and not only that, it's trolling that's then gonna lead to now I'm launching a book club. I'm gonna have book experts come on my podcast or whatever the fuck she does, I don't even know. Dave 42:50 Right. Sarah 42:51 Mm-hmm. Dave 42:54 Right. Tara 42:55 and tell me what to read. Dave 42:57 Mm hmm. Tara 42:57 Mmm, so I mean, I'm glad she's I guess she's good at her job. It's just too bad her job is terrible. Dave 43:04 Well, speaking about your job being terrible, do you know what time it is? Tara 43:08 Mm, it's not time for extra credit. Dave 43:09 Oh What's that, Sarah? You have to go take a dump for the next 12 or 20 minutes? Okay, we'll see you on the other side. It's game time Hello and welcome to the first ever listener game time. An extra, extra hot rate, the new segment made possible by you, our supporters. Thank you so much. Very exciting. Our first game time of the month, and it is the month of Amy Allenspock. We've got five trivia-minded games from her to test your knowledge of the crispy edges and gooey centers of TV history. The month's scores so far are Kim. Welcome, Kim, with zero. Eleanor, we've got Eleanor, she's got zero. And we got Sarah all the way from Australia. She already has zero points. Well done, everybody Today we are playing Who's the Boss? and Amy explains. In this game, we'll journey through the cubicles, backrooms, and break rooms to meet some of TV's most memorable bosses and the people who are lucky enough to work for them. The goal is to correctly guess the name of the boss and the show as a pair, just by hearing a little bit about one of their faithful employees. To start, you'll get the name of the employee and the role at the workplace. If you need a hint, I'm going to give you the name of that workplace where the show is set. Two points right away, one point after the hint, and yes, you can guess at each stage Sarah Bunting. No, Sarah, don't say anything. We're fine. We're good Here is an example to get you going. The employee's name is Dwight Schroot, and he is the salesman slash assistant to the regional manager. Now, can you guess the boss and the show as a pair? Anyone know it? All right, Eleanor, hit us up. What do you got? Elenore 44:58 Michael Scott and the show is The Office. Dave 45:00 You are correct. Sarah C 45:01 The show is the American Office, actually Tara 45:04 It's actually the office at American Workplace. Boom! Dave 45:09 If you needed a hint, I would have given you Dunder Mifflin. Dunder Mifflin. Alright, that is how the game is played. We got 24 questions. We will do a gross worth equalizer challenge zone. Tari Ariano, I need the steel meal information from you. And I just want to let you know everybody has two to start. Okay, but we need to hear it officially. Here we go. Steel meal situation, please Tara 45:28 Thank you, Dave. Dave 45:28 start. Tara 45:29 Sarah has two steel meals, Eleanor has two steel meals, and Kim has two steel meals Dave 45:34 Fantastic. All right, let's throw it to Picky to see who's going first. Clip 45:40 We will start with valued guest. Dave 45:42 Alright, our order for today and the rest of the month is going to be Kim, then Eleanor, then Sarah. Are we ready to play? Who's the boss? Sarah C 45:52 Yes, I Kim 45:52 Yes Elenore 45:52 Let's go. Dave 45:52 All right, Kim, start us off. You got Darren Stevens, account executive. Darren Stevens is account executive. Who's his boss? What's the show? Kim 46:03 I'm almost embarrassed I know this. This is Bewitched. And his boss was Larry Tate. Dave 46:07 You are correct. That is good for two points to start us off. To Eleanor, your employee is Mary Richards. She is a associate producer, boss, and show. Elenore 46:20 So that's Lou Grant, and the show is the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Dave 46:23 You are correct. Yes, another two points. Sarah, your employee is John Bosley. He is a private investigator. We're looking for the boss and the workplace. Sarah C 46:36 Yeah, I shouldn't have been so smart before, because now I don't know this one. Dave 46:40 You want the hint? Sarah C 46:41 Yeah, I'll take the hint, thanks, Dev. Dave 46:42 All right. He works for the Townsend Agency. The Townsend Agency. Sarah C 46:47 Nope, I'm out. Anyone want to steal? Dave 46:49 All right. Elenore 46:49 Steel meal Dave 46:50 Steel meal called, Eleanor Elenore 46:52 I hope this oh now I'm questioning this. The boss's name is Charlie and the show is Charlie's Angels. Dave 46:59 You are correct. Charles Townsend, Charlie, and Charlie's Angel is the show. Elenore 47:00 Okay Sarah C 47:01 I'm too young. Dave 47:03 Nicely done. That was a one-point steal. To Kim, you've got Julie McCoy, cruise director Kim 47:10 Oh, uh her boss was Captain Stooping on the lift Dave 47:13 You are correct. Kim 47:14 boat. Dave 47:14 Another two point for Kim. Eleanor, you've got Tony Banta. He's a driver. You need a clue, I can give you the workplace, the company. Elenore 47:23 Yeah, I don't think it's gonna help me get the name of the boss, but sure, I'll take the workplace. Dave 47:30 All right. I just wanna we said this off off mic, but I'm being very lenient with the bosses here. So if you only give me a first name, that's fine. If you can give me a really good description of them, I will perhaps give you the point. But Eleanor doesn't seem like she's there. Okay. The workplace is the Sunshine Cab Company. Elenore 47:47 Yeah, I figured. Uh I so as not to give away the game, I'm just gonna pass on this one. Kim 47:54 I'll do still meal. That's um Louis De Palma on taxi. Dave 47:59 You are correct, played by Danny DeVito, yes. Alright, that's a one-point steal for Kim. Back to Sarah, Crystal Carrington, secretary. Sarah C 48:10 Um it's one of those big sweeping things. The show is I Dave 48:16 Yeah Sarah C 48:16 I can't even think what the show is they're called. Dallas. The one that isn't Dallas. Dave 48:19 , Sarah C 48:20 It's the one that isn't Dallas, and I don't know who her boss is. Dave 48:23 Okay, do you want a hint? It's not gonna help you. Sarah C 48:27 Sure Dave 48:28 The workplace is Denver Carrington. Denver, Carrington. Well, we know it's not Dallas, anyways, that'll help you out. Sarah C 48:34 Isn't it definitely not Dallas? It's the other one. Dave 48:38 It's the other one, technically correct. Sarah C 48:38 Pass Dave 48:42 We were looking for Blake Carrington on Dynasty. Dynasty. Sarah C 48:45 Oh, dynasty, that's right. Dave 48:46 Yep. Sarah C 48:47 Or dynasty, as I would call it. Dave 48:50 What's going on here? To Kim Tag Jones personal assistant. Tag Jones Kim 48:55 Oh, um, I believe his boss was Rachel Green on Friends. Dave 48:56 personal assistant. You are correct! Another two-pointer from Kim Eleanor, Dave Nelson News Director. Dave Nelson News Director. Elenore 49:10 I'll take the workplace. Dave 49:12 W N Y X. Pretty good hint. Elenore 49:15 Not for me. Dave 49:16 Not for you. Alright. Well what does W-N-Y-X Elenore 49:18 Uh Dave 49:19 mean to you? Just as a bunch of letters. Elenore 49:21 well I got a lot of radio shows in my head or news News and radio shows, but I know that's not right. Uh so I'm gonna I'm gonna just say news radio, and I think the guy's name was Jerry. Dave 49:37 Oh so close. So close we were looking for Jimmy James News Radio. Elenore 49:42 Oh , Dave 49:43 But you were really close from not knowing it to getting that close. Elenore 49:45 yeah. Dave 49:47 I think you should give yourself a hand. Sarah, we've got Dennis Finch, executive assistant. Dennis Finch, executive assistant. This is one of the tougher ones. Sarah C 49:58 I Mmm, yes. In common with with many players of Game Time, I knew everybody else's, uh, I will take the hint, please. Dave 50:06 Yep. Okay, they work at Blush Magazine. Blush magazine Sarah C 50:12 Uh yes, all these words make sense and sound familiar, uh, but I do not have an answer. Dave 50:16 Yeah. Sarah C 50:18 Pass Dave 50:20 Alright, we were looking for Jack Gallo from Just Shoot Me. Just shoot me. Sarah C 50:26 Oh yeah Dave 50:27 All right, everybody's got one more question before we hit our scorebreak. Kim Turanga Leela, pilot and head of aviation services. Kim 50:36 Oh, okay. So I know it's Futurama. I is their boss? Farnsworth? Dave 50:44 You're correct. Yes, two points. Kim 50:46 Oh Dave 50:46 Professor Hubert J. Kim 50:47 my god. Dave 50:48 Farnsworth. Kim 50:48 My my entire knowledge of Futurama comes from listening to the podcast, so Dave 50:52 There that Tara 50:53 That's pretty good Dave 50:53 's Kim 50:53 it was a total guess. Tara 50:54 then. Dave 50:54 pretty impressive, I gotta say. Nicely done. All right, Eleanor, Michelle Girard, day manager Elenore 51:01 I'll take the workplace. Dave 51:03 The Independence Inn and then the Dragonfly Inn Elenore 51:07 Alright, so the boss is Lorelai Gilmore, and the show is Gilmore Girls. Dave 51:16 You are correct. You picked up one point. Nicely done. Sarah, you're gonna take us into our scorebreak. Let's see if we can get you on the board. Your employee is Trixie Starr. Sex worker. Sarah C 51:31 I I I'm representing from down under. Everything's upside down. The winner is the person with the least number of points pass. Dave 51:40 Got us on another Australian technicality. Alright, nothing there. Let's give you the workplace clue. The Gem Theatre. The Gem Theatre. Sarah C 51:51 No, take me out, please. Dave 51:55 That real old yeller tone to it that I did not enjoy. We were looking for the boss, Al Swergen, on the show Deadwood. Sarah C 52:03 Oh, yes, of course, yes. Familiar Dave 52:05 We are halfway done, Tari Ariano, official scorekeeper of Listener Game Time. What are the scores? Tara 52:11 Kim has nine. Eleanor has four. Sarah looking to get on the board. Dave 52:15 All right, let's get to our second half. We're going back to Kim, Betty Suarez, personal assistant. Kim 52:23 Okay. That is Ugly Betty, which is another show I've not seen. But I know there was a character called Wilhelmina? Would she be her boss? Dave 52:36 That's one of the possible bosses. Kim 52:37 Ugh Dave 52:38 There is two. Also Daniel, but Wilhelmina Slater is her boss on ugly betty. Nicely done. Another two points. Back to Eleanor. Maurice Moss software application developer. Maurice Moss. Elenore 52:53 I'll take the workplace Dave 52:55 This is Rain Home Industries. Rain Home Industries, R E Y N Elenore 53:02 I mean I'm gonna assume that's maybe halt and catch fire, but maybe not, so I got nothing. Dave 53:09 All right, we're passing it on that one. Anybody got a stomach here? It's a tough one. I'm Delise for me. This is Jen Barber the Boss from the It Crowd or IT crowd. I'm actually so unfamiliar with that show I forget which one I'm supposed to say. Tara 53:20 IT Sarah C 53:21 IT. Elenore 53:22 I'm thinking maybe IT Dave 53:23 Yeah. Sarah C 53:24 It is IT, yes. Dave 53:25 Okay. Elenore 53:25 contacts to Dave 53:25 I figured, but yeah, I didn't Elenore 53:26 quirks. Dave 53:27 sure how many cycles of wordplay we were going through there. Elenore 53:29 Mm-hmm. Dave 53:30 Alright, no points there. Let's move on to Sarah. We've got Adam DeMamp. Adam DeMamp. D Sarah C 53:37 Oh Dave 53:37 E M Sarah C 53:37 my god. Dave 53:38 A M P Sales Associate Sarah C 53:41 Adam in sales. Hello, I'm Adam in Sales. No, that 's not jogging anything. Uh allow me to have the workplace, please. Dave 53:48 I I like this I like this roleplay brainstorter stuff you're doing. I like that. The Rancho Cucamonga branch of Tel America Corp. Sarah C 53:58 Sounds kooky. Uh it's a workplace comedy uh and name insert name here. I don't know what it is, I'm sorry. Dave 54:07 You said work a lot. It's workaholics is the show. Sarah C 54:11 Ah, yes Dave 54:11 The boss there, Alice. Alright, to Kim. You've got Bertram Gilfoyle, Systems Architect. Kim 54:20 Bertram Kilfoyle? Dave 54:22 Yeah. Kim 54:23 Hmm I have no idea. Uh I would like the hint, please. Dave 54:29 The company he works for is Pied Piper. Kim 54:33 Oh, okay. Pied piper, that's Silicon Valley. Uh oh, I don't know that I know any of their names. Let me guess. Uh was there a Jesse? Dave 54:44 You want to give me a really good description? Kim 54:47 Uh, I believe he had brown hair, um Dave 54:49 Yeah. Kim 54:50 like thin Dave 54:52 Uh-huh. Kim 54:53 no Dave 54:53 Hmm. I would have accepted Zuckerberg-esque Kim 54:57 Oh Dave 54:57 Perhaps. Elenore 54:57 American apparel Dave 54:58 Yeah, he's got that kind of look to him. Elenore 54:58 hoodie. Kim 54:59 yeah. Dave 54:59 We're looking for Richard is the boss Kim 55:01 Okay. Dave 55:02 on Silicon Valley. No points there. Eleanor, you've got Gina Linetti, assistant. Elenore 55:10 I'll take the workplace. Dave 55:12 Brooklyn Police Department Elenore 55:15 Okay, that is Brooklyn99 and trying to plumb the depths of all the time that I've listened to you all talk about this show on your show. Captain Dave 55:32 I will also let you describe him really well, if you know everything but his name. Elenore 55:32 Uh Is Is it the guy who's played by Andre Brower? He wears sort of like a dark blue uniform with a badge on it. Dave 55:45 Uh-huh. I'm I've enjoyed this description. Anything else? Is he wearing pants? Elenore 55:50 Uh Dave 55:51 Has he got shoes on? Elenore 55:51 he's sort he's sort of severe sometimes though. Dave 55:54 All right. Elenore 55:55 He's also funny. Dave 55:55 Alright, I'm gonna give that to you. Very well. That was Captain Raymond Holt Tara 55:59 I would have stopped after Andre Brouwer. Dave 55:59 as play. Well, it's not it's not an actor quiz, so I d Tara 56:01 Dave is strict. Dave 56:04 I want a little bit more information, but Elenore 56:05 Yeah, thank you. Tara 56:05 Sure. Dave 56:06 Well done. All right, back to Sarah. You've got Rachel Goldberg. Rachel Goldberg, she is a field producer. Field producer. So we'll get in the meta here. Rachel Goldberg, field producer. Who's their boss on the show? Sarah C 56:21 Oh, is this um Okay, I think this is that show written by the person who was on The Bachelor and it's called Unreal and her boss is uh is uh not Catherine Zimdahl. Um her boss is a petite lady who's very fierce and has fabulous hair, played by Catherine Something Beating with Zed. Dave 56:50 Oh, this is so close. Tara, we're gonna give this one? Sarah C 56:52 Mercy, mercy, mercy, two Dave 56:53 I feel like this is Tara 56:53 Shh. Sarah C 56:56 points, please Dave 56:56 Tar, I'm feeling Tara 56:56 Oh, mercy. Yes, that's not her name. Uh I would give you that. Dave 57:00 Okay, we're gonna give you the ad Tara 57:00 That's a good description. Dave 57:02 the character name is Quinn King. Sarah C 57:04 That's right, yes. Dave 57:05 Yes, and Constance Zimmer is who you're thinking of. Sarah C 57:07 Constance Emma, yes, if I yeah, thank you. Dave 57:10 And you are Sarah C 57:10 Thank you, everybody. Dave 57:12 on the board. Kim 57:13 Well done, Sarah. Dave 57:17 Kim, you've got Kara Danvers, personal assistant who is promoted to writer. Kim 57:23 Oh, Kara Danvers, that was Supergirl, and Dave 57:29 The boss Kim 57:29 her boss was um what's her name? Allie McBeale. Uh Clista Flockart, um and her name was Dave 57:43 This is a real amalgamation of information workplace on television and comic book names, if I ever heard one. Kim 57:50 Yeah. I think her name was Cat or Catherine, something like that, the Dave 57:55 All right, I think that's good enough. Kim 57:55 her first name Dave 57:56 We got Kat Grant is her name on Supergirl, yes. Alright, Eleanor, Liza Miller, assistant to the head of marketing. Who's the boss? Elenore 58:06 Yeah. Dave 58:06 What's the show? Elenore 58:07 That's younger and the boss is Charles something Tara 58:12 She has another boss in between them. Dave 58:14 Ah, who's her direct Elenore 58:15 Yeah. Dave 58:15 boss? Elenore 58:16 Who's played by that woman who I always call Debbie Mazar, even though I know that's not who she is. Tara 58:22 But Debbie Mazar is also on the show. Elenore 58:24 Right. Oh my god, what is her name? I mean I could describe her like I could pick her out of any lineup Dave 58:32 Well, you do it, and the Tara's gonna decide if you got close enough to her satisfaction. Elenore 58:36 She is she has like a brown bob and she wears kind of like fabulous clothing with chunky jewelry. She has a huge crush on Charles. Tara 58:48 Chunky jewelry is what I was waiting for. Dave 58:50 All right, you hit chunky jewelry. That was her metric for the Elenore 58:52 Okay. Dave 58:53 correct answer. Elenore 58:54 Okay. Dave 58:54 Alright, well Tara 58:54 If you got Charles, you should have Dave 58:54 done. Two points. Tara 58:56 got Diana. Elenore 58:58 Diana, damn it. Kim 58:59 No Elenore 59:01 Sorry, I'm checking my internalized misogyny right now. Kim 59:05 , Tara 59:05 No, I meant more 'cause, you know, Charles and Diana. Elenore 59:08 Yeah, I just besmirged a girl boss Dave 59:11 Sarah Jane Sloan, newly promoted writer. Jane Sloan, newly promoted writer Sarah C 59:19 Could I please have the workplace? Dave 59:21 The workplace is Scarlet Magazine. Sarah C 59:24 Is that the thing I didn't watch about the magazine and they're all pert, um and it's something like ch no, no, no, no, no Dave 59:37 All right, and steel mill opportunity here if anybody wants it. No? Tara 59:40 They're all purred Dave 59:41 The show was called The Bull Type, so you're on the right track for sure. Tara 59:42 is perfect Sarah C 59:43 Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dave 59:44 We're looking for Jacqueline Carlisle. Sarah C 59:46 Yes. No, no Dave 59:48 All right, Tara. Tara 59:49 Yep. Clip 59:49 No, that's that's got Dave 59:50 Everybody's got one question left, so we're gonna need the scores, please. Clip 59:51 not to Tara 59:53 Okay, we've got Kim with thirteen, Eleanor with five, Sarah Clip 59:53 put the pair of putting a pair of Tara 59:58 with two. Dave 59:59 Alright. I forgot to do a gross risk ecological talent zone. Tara 01:00:03 Yes, you did, but you could do one now. Dave 01:00:04 Yeah. Oh, we can do it now. We can do it now. Let's do it now. Sarah C 01:00:08 Who's it gonna be? Dave 01:00:16 All right. Sarah, you got your choice here. We've got the classic purple TV box from the 80s. We have an 80s content box, a 90s content box, and a bunch of others, uh which you may remember. We got our friends edition, we got a Star Trek edition. Don't pick that one. What's your pleasure? Sarah C 01:00:30 Okay. Uh let me take the classic Dave 01:00:35 Ooh, all right. I will read you six questions from this trivia pursuit card. If you get three, we're going to give you three points. And if you sweep it, we'll give you six. Are you ready? Sarah C 01:00:45 Uh as I'll live it Dave 01:00:47 Your first category is classics. The question is, what Western TV hero brought twenty-one thousand seven hundred and thirty-four bad men to justice? Western TV Hero. Sarah C 01:00:59 Uh sorrow Dave 01:01:01 The Lone Ranger. Sarah C 01:01:03 Oh yeah, of course. Dave 01:01:04 Sitcoms. What sixties sitcom was said to be inspired by the Beatles Hard Days Night? Sarah C 01:01:10 The monkeys Dave 01:01:11 You are correct, one point. I was like, no, it's the monsters, but I just am going blind. Drama. What Bonanza character's real first name was Eric Sarah C 01:01:24 Oh, Hoss Dave 01:01:25 You're correct, yes. Kids and games. What show did animal rights activist Picket with signs reading by a vowel, not a fur? By a vowel, not a fur. Sarah C 01:01:37 Um, Wheel of Fortune Dave 01:01:38 You are correct, yes, and that is three. You've missed the first one, so that's the maximum points you can get. Sarah C 01:01:42 That's it. Dave 01:01:42 You can get three points for your troubles. Nicely done. Tara 01:01:45 Oh, three points? Dave 01:01:46 Three points there. Tara 01:01:46 Okay. Dave 01:01:47 Yes. All right. Let's get into everybody's last question. Kim, you are up. You've got Jake Levinson, Junior executive. Jake Levinson, Junior Executive. Kim 01:01:56 Jake Levinson. Dave 01:01:57 Yeah. Kim 01:01:58 I would like a hint, please. Dave 01:02:00 They work at Hampton Deville. Hampton Deville. Kim 01:02:03 Hampton Deville. Dave 01:02:05 Mm-hmm. Kim 01:02:06 That does not help me, I have no idea. Dave 01:02:09 All right, we're looking for Christian Deville from the show Corporate. Corporate. All right, Eleanor, you've got Emily Cooper, social media strategy advisor. Elenore 01:02:21 I'll take the workplace. Dave 01:02:23 Savoir Elenore 01:02:25 Oh Well, it's become clear to me now this is Evelyn Paris, but I do not know the name of the boss, so I'm just gonna think of a famous French person. Dave 01:02:39 First name is okay if you just stumble across it. We're gonna give you the point. Elenore 01:02:41 Uh Gabrielle Dave 01:02:43 Oh, good guess. Tara 01:02:44 Good guess Dave 01:02:44 Not right. Yeah. Sylvie. Sylvie was the boss. All right. Let's close out with Sarah's last question. You've got Beckett Mariner Enson. Beckett Sarah C 01:02:54 Yes, this is the lower decks. Dave 01:02:55 Mariner. Mm-hmm, and the boss Sarah C 01:03:00 And Dave 01:03:00 superior? Sarah C 01:03:01 the superior officer is very stitched up, aggressively blonde hair, uh a triangular-shaped body. I don't know their name. Dave 01:03:13 I don't know who you're thinking of. Tara 01:03:14 I don't either. Dave 01:03:14 I I Elenore 01:03:14 Johnny Bravo Dave 01:03:15 I really want to know. But it's her mom, Carol Freeman, on the show. Sarah C 01:03:17 The one with the the the blu Oh that's right, yes. Dave 01:03:20 Yeah. Sarah C 01:03:21 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was t I was describing her Tara 01:03:21 Oh, you're thinking of the guy, ransom, or whatever. Sarah C 01:03:23 mother. Dave 01:03:24 Oh, you're thinking of the galute Tara 01:03:26 Yeah. Dave 01:03:26 played by Jerry O'Connell. Sarah C 01:03:26 Yeah. Tara 01:03:27 Yes Dave 01:03:27 Yeah, okay. Sarah C 01:03:28 Yes. Dave 01:03:28 Yeah. Sarah C 01:03:29 Okay. Dave 01:03:29 Alright, you got halfway there. That was pretty good. Alright, that is regulation, Tara. Want the scores. Sarah C 01:03:34 I got halfway there and that's a that's a Dave point, surely Dave 01:03:39 You did amuse me. It was a date point 's worth of amusement. And I also like your moxie demanding one. So you get two. Mostly because now I'm a little scared of you. Tara 01:03:46 Okay Dave 01:03:47 Okay, here we go. Scores please. Tara 01:03:51 Eleanor and Sarah finished tied with five. Kim had thirteen Dave 01:03:55 Oh Tara 01:03:56 and won the game. Dave 01:03:56 my goodness, alright Nicely done. Thank you everybody for playing the first Tara 01:03:59 Woo! Dave 01:04:00 ever listener game time and extra extra hot great. We'll be back next week with the same crowd, but today belongs to Kim. Clip 01:04:10 Valued guest. Valued guest. Dave 01:04:13 Wait a sec guys, I want to play the tiebreaker so you can have another steel meal for future games. Kim 01:04:18 Ah Dave 01:04:18 How about we do it that way? Tara 01:04:18 Ooh Kim 01:04:19 ok Dave 01:04:20 First person to shout out the boss, that is the answer we're gonna look for, not the show, wins. Here we go. This person is a crane operator named Fred Flintstone, who is their boss. Elenore 01:04:33 Oh my god. Tara 01:04:36 I know it. Can I get Kim 01:04:37 Mister, Mister Sarah C 01:04:39 Mr. Rock Elenore 01:04:40 Stone stone Tara 01:04:42 Fair is out Dave 01:04:43 Yeah. Elenore 01:04:44 bone stone Dave 01:04:45 He's had three bosses on the show. Fred Fledstone has had three bosses in the quarry where he works. Elenore 01:04:49 At the quarry. Dave 01:04:51 So Bedrock Quarry and Gravel Company. Last chance to get a steel mill. Anybody know it? Kim 01:04:55 Ms. Mr. Shale Dave 01:04:57 Oh I air Elenore 01:04:57 Mr. Tara 01:04:57 So Elenore 01:04:58 Grammitt? Dave 01:04:58 break Tara 01:04:58 close Dave 01:04:58 no close Kim 01:05:00 Oh Dave 01:05:00 Bellador Elenore 01:05:01 Mr. Grammite? Dave 01:05:03 Yes JJgranite is one of the bosses Elenore 01:05:06 No way Tara 01:05:06 Wait, it is Kim 01:05:07 why Tara 01:05:07 not Mr. Slate Dave 01:05:08 Mr. Slate or JJ Granite or Mr. Rockhead. Three bosses. Kim 01:05:13 Oh Elenore 01:05:13 Wow Dave 01:05:13 Nicely done. Tara 01:05:14 All right Dave 01:05:15 Alright, so you win an extra steel mill for your troubles. We'll see y'all back here next week. Well, guys, that is it for another episode of Extra Extra Hot. Oh, Sarah's back. Hi, Sarah. We found out Halloween and Grinch Knight was more trick than treat for answering your burning Ask E-H-Gquestions like, who's the Seinfeld serial killer and does Tara have the hots for Kermit? Marker gave us our first Press Junkent Tiny Canon with Allison Hammond interviewing the stars of Blade Runner. We celebrate those who were quite the best and worst of the week. And Kim was the winner of our first extra, extra hot great listener game time from Amy. Next up, war! Remember. Clip 01:05:57 We're listening. Dave 01:06:00 I am David Tikol on behalf of Tar Ariano Tara 01:06:03 Never seen it Dave 01:06:04 and Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 01:06:06 Never heard it Dave 01:06:08 Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time right here on Extra, Extra. Okay. Clip 01:06:32 This is Extra Hot Crate Minis. Today's topic is bonding. Pierce Brosnan is improbably about to headline an old West drama called The Sun on AMC.choose another big screen bond and cast him against type in a brand new starring vehicle of your devising, Dave I have one, but first I saw this topic, uh so I emailed our James Bond expert, Nick Reinwald Jones, to see if he wanted to add something to this is his Edgy sitcom in which Sean Connery plays the contankerous chef of a three-star restaurant in Chicago. He's forced to resign after a local news expose. reveals that he likes to cook naked. So he teams up with his granddaughter, played by a Leaton Meister to start a fancy catering company. Only to discover the only job they can land are snobby kids parties. Sandwiches I'm not making sandwiches. That's the Chicago Way coming soon to Fox. All right. And mine mine is simply Sean Connery takes over for Andy Cohen on all Bravo reunion shows. Oh. Wood watch Sarah. Yes. I misread the brief here because there was a straight either in there, which made me think that we could Put him on an existing show. So that's what I'm doing. Daniel Craig is a fellow ambulance chaser in an ill-fitting suit and string tie on Better Call Saul. Uh if you'll indulge me for a second, uh this topic came up just hours after I had read a review of a new documentary pre premiering this week at South by Southwest called Becoming Bond. It's the story of the very weird life of George Lazenby, the amateur actor who was p plucked from obscurity to play Bond in on Her Majesty's Secret Service in 1969, and then subsequently went off the rails and left the role, leaving a drug haze of hippie nonsense behind him. I can't wait to see this, but until it becomes available, I will instead enjoy imagining Lazenby, a six foot five Australian connoisseur of swinging threesomes, and the only bond to ever receive a Golden Globe nomination, in another iconic role in my new limited series. superhero show for Hulu Plus, Kit Kat Club about a transgendered vet tech who moonlights as the modern day cat woman. Oh my god, they love it so much. Would also just love something called hippie nonsense, whatever that meant. Mine is Timothy Dalton stars opposite the original Lily from Modern Family in her TV comeback vehicle, a reboot of Punky Brewster. Oh my god, look out for that fridge original Lily!