We headed to Scandinavia, and back in time to the late 1950s, for The New Force, Netflix’s new historical drama about Sweden’s first lady cops. There’s too much contemporary music for Dave’s taste, and too much prop vomit for Sarah’s — but did it win any of us over? We answered your questions about TV-theme restaurants in Vegas, game-show blunders, and the best podcasts for hateful chores; we ch-checked out Tara’s Beastie Boys Tiny Canon nomination; and we declared our Not Quite Winners and Losers of this week before gathering at the foot of TV Lee Mountain to see which Lee would emerge victorious. Throw that sleeping drunk in a cab and join us!
Reckoning With The New Force
We roll up our stockings for Netflix’s historical drama about Sweden’s first female cops.
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Clip:
[00:02] Ye boonger bear beddy skiddootoo dee book boot boot.
Sarah:
[00:14] Fine, fine.
Dave:
[00:17] This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast. It's episode 375 for the October 4th, 2025 weekend. It' I am Sinister Danish, know the other kind, David T. Cole, and I'm here with Practice Hold, Sarah D. Bunting, and Pinchy Shoe, Tara Ariano.
Tara:
[00:39] It's almost like you're setting me up to fail. I knew you were going to do it, and yet It's still surprising. Welcome. Welcome to Extra, Extra Hot.
Sarah:
[00:55] Yeah.
Tara:
[00:57] Great for Another Weekend. Welcome, new listeners. We're so glad you're here. We thank you for your support and we're here to tell you all about. The new force. In 1958, Stockholm, Sweden's first class of female police officers, graduates from the police academy. Their hiring is repeatedly called an experiment, and it's one not everyone is on board with. The male training officers the women are assigned to range from dismissive Too misogynistic, and police sister Berg, their manager, isn't interested in hearing the concerns they raise with her. Is rounding up drunks worth the women's personal sacrifices? The show was created by Patrick Ernst, a Swedish writer whose other shows I am not familiar with. All six episodes of the first season dropped on Netflix. October 3rd. We got access to all of them. We may talk about events from any of them. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch The New Force?
Sarah:
[01:53] Yes, but And you'd see the film sprockets, yeah.
Tara:
[01:55] Dave.
Dave:
[01:55] Yes, but there's one thing about the show that bugs me so much that I feel like I have to put a big, big sign out for it.
Tara:
[02:02] Okay.
Dave:
[02:03] Yeah.
Tara:
[02:03] It's a nah for me. This one didn't grab me particularly. Let's start with Dave's big flag, I guess.
Dave:
[02:09] All right. So I enjoy the show. I don't think it's like appointment television, but I'm there for the ride. I love stuff set in Scandinavia, so that helped too. But there is this show that is set in 1958 that is dealing with glass ceiling stuff.
Tara:
[02:23] Sure Yeah, mhm.
Dave:
[02:27] And they have decided that they need to jazz it up with all these interstitials set to like hard ass mum rap. Did they say making fuck? It's almost like, you know, and it is so at odds that it felt like it happened totally after the series was shot and produced, and somebody at Netflix was like. We need to hip-hopify this by 10%. And somebody got the marker out and shaded in Puti sunglasses. That part of it bugged me so much, and it happens enough, and like it switches to them filming normally, and then it's all grainy. And it's supposed to be looking like handheld footage of the time, which makes no sense Yeah, it makes no sense in context of the show either. Mostly just a cosmetic thing, but it bothered me so much. And it would be so much better without it. Then I'm saying, like, I enjoyed the show, but that part of it almost made me like, I don't know if I can actually say watch this because it bothered me so fucking much.
Tara:
[03:33] Sarah, what is your big butt?
Dave:
[03:34] Yeah, sir. Tell us about your big butt.
Sarah:
[03:36] I think that's a good note from Dave. I actually Enjoyed that because it relieved a little of the stress that I feel. I actually have two caveats. The first is that watching mid-century women navigate this world that hates them gives me agita. Even when it's well done, there is a certain amount of like, just like rage that begins to simmer in me. In pieces set in periods like this or with glass ceiling content like this, where it does start to like, it's not a relaxing watch. Bletchley Circle was a similar vibe. Like, very fun to follow the mystery and to look. At it visually, but they're not being taken seriously.
Tara:
[04:25] Yeah.
Sarah:
[04:29] They're not being paid. How much has changed? Not enough.
Tara:
[04:32] Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[04:34] The second caveat is: this is the barfiest fucking district in Sweden.
Tara:
[04:38] Well, yeah.
Sarah:
[04:39] But like, it was thirty-eight minutes. How many piles of chunks do I, Sarah Debunting, have to look at? In this show, like, I get it. It's a drunk. Just, I don't know, maybe refer to the Ralph instead of always showing us what the production designer is innovating on in the kitchen.
Dave:
[05:01] You know those Swedish hobos are eating a lot of fish skeletons and bean cans with the lid half off.
Tara:
[05:05] Oh, God, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[05:09] So you know that that barf's going to be chunky and the most mad magazine barf you've ever seen in your life.
Sarah:
[05:14] I mean, it would have actually been funny. There's like that whole bit with her lost badge. which I don't think is a spoiler because they underline an asterisk literally her getting the badge and being told don't lose it, you only get one. And like if a drunk had barfed and then you heard like a like the clanging of it on a cobblestone, then I would have been okay with it.
Tara:
[05:32] Think.
Sarah:
[05:37] But Yeah, if they're sort of like Sophia copalizing a mid-century piece with hip-hop and/or with barf hop is not for you. This show has like four strikes against it already. But I, with all of that said, I did enjoy it.
Tara:
[05:55] Yeah, I just for me like I hate women.
Dave:
[05:57] Tara hates women, that's the problem.
Tara:
[05:59] Everyone knows this. Now, presumably the purpose of a show like this is to show us something about The setting, you know, historically and geographically, and I feel like beyond the explanatory scenes at the start of the pilot, it isn't showing us enough. Wow, women in a male-dominated field, like Sarah was saying, are having a bad time because no one respects them. Like, wow, that's crazy. This is what I would assume is happening. And the three lead characters. Are so siloed in their separate stories where, like, one has a training officer who is like a total pig.
Dave:
[06:28] Right. Yeah, because they all are shadowing male police officers for their first month or whatever.
Tara:
[06:32] Yeah. Right. One is with a guy who's like a violent racist bigot. One really wants to be a detective and is clearly being set up for a love story with one of the younger cute detectives who is there.
Dave:
[06:47] Detective cute They're not in a wallet, they don't have a pin, you're absolutely setting them up to fail.
Tara:
[06:48] Detective Cute, his name is Oscar. And then the third one stumbles into this brothel and sex worker storyline because she lost her badge. By the way, they're setting them up to fail. Those badges don't even have a pin on the back.
Sarah:
[07:01] Yeah.
Tara:
[07:03] No, it's it looks like a pressed penny from like a rest stop.
Sarah:
[07:05] It looks like some shit that you made in Girl Scouts, too. Yes, yes.
Tara:
[07:11] It's that almost that small.
Dave:
[07:12] I don't want to like say what we're all thinking, but that should be either a brooch or a necklace for them lady police officers.
Tara:
[07:18] Yeah, sure Sure.
Sarah:
[07:20] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[07:20] A nice piece of jewelry they wouldn't lose.
Tara:
[07:23] It's like the Apple TV remote of badges, where it's like it's gonna fall on the couch.
Dave:
[07:27] That's right.
Sarah:
[07:27] Oh, my God.
Dave:
[07:30] I often have to trade in my Apple TV remote for a gun.
Tara:
[07:35] Yeah.
Dave:
[07:35] Okay, but here's the thing about the setting. It's really nice to see something set in the 1950s where there's no diners. Or drive-ins or drag races.
Tara:
[07:43] Yeah.
Sarah:
[07:43] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[07:45] The happy days American graffiti of it all is not present because they didn't experience all that.
Tara:
[07:49] True.
Sarah:
[07:50] True.
Tara:
[07:51] Mhm.
Dave:
[07:51] So I'm here for the lack of checkerboard floors. That part of it I found refreshing.
Tara:
[07:56] Yeah, I mean, 1958, this is almost contemporaneous with Madmen. I think Madmen starts in 59 or 60. So this is it's close to that era where like the 50sy 50s are kind of Already waning anyway. But I will say, as someone who doesn't watch a lot of cop shows anymore, I do find it interesting that the idea that cops are corrupt and abuse their power is just like table stakes for new shows. Like, we saw this for sure. We see it in high potential. Although those cops are decent, but there is an emphasis in every single episode of Morgan saying, I'm not a cop, I just work with cops. I also hate cops, but also task. Like, it's a that's a thing in task As well, where even like the there's inter sniping among the various agencies about that, so an interesting evolution in the genre, I'll say.
Sarah:
[08:41] I watch all of those, and I do think that in the last five years, with a couple of exceptions, it has become necessary.
Tara:
[08:48] That's for you.
Sarah:
[08:51] For procedurals that they want to maintain any kind of broader market, to not just acknowledge That this is conventional wisdom about IRL cops, but to incorporate that actively and be like, look, procedurals are easy to pitch, so that's what we did.
Tara:
[09:08] Right.
Sarah:
[09:08] But we also hate cops, wink wink, like, okay.
Tara:
[09:10] Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, speaking of the bar, if to get back to it, sorry, briefly, I wonder if Swedish people watching will see the origins of the welfare state, considering how often the cops are just like arresting guys who are sitting out drunk in the middle of the day and not, you know, anything more serious than that.
Sarah:
[09:27] Well, I sort of I had a m called a midwife. Comp in my notes about this. It's not one-to-one by any means, but I think that there's like, you know, sort of similar timeframe at the beginning, similar For me, to this and Bletchley circle, like just looking at everyone's hair and like the, I don't know, how stockings were lived in the middle of the 20th century, which you also get here. But Call the Midwife, I think, was. Quite good, especially in the early going at locating you in post-war Britain, and sort of, even though it didn't need to, except for an ignorant American viewer like myself. Giving you a sense of that neighborhood and London and Britain generally, and how it was still trying to come back from the Second World War and hardship era and stuff like that. And then there was another hardship era, which who knows, called The Midwife is on season like 80. I'm assuming they get to Thatcher's England. I don't know. Bless their hearts. I needed a little bit more historical context, which I guess I would just have to Google for that information. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but. Here, I didn't have a grasp of like where Sweden was sort of like internationally, economically, like what did it look like culturally and societally to live in a big city.
Tara:
[10:44] Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, they do. I mean, they show us like stuff getting torn down. Other stuff is getting built. This is obviously post-war for them as well. But yeah, I agree that I didn't have a sense of, yeah.
Sarah:
[10:59] Yeah, that's sort of what I was talking about. That it's like, was that a big socialist or government push? To build more buildings? Was that trying to create jobs? If that was happening, why are there so many guys wasted on Pruno Ludifisk or whatever the bucket first thing in the morning?
Dave:
[11:17] Oh, they love that.
Sarah:
[11:18] Like, give us something we are not from here.
Tara:
[11:19] Yeah. No, it's true.
Sarah:
[11:21] And it's a Netflix show, right?
Tara:
[11:23] Mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[11:23] It's not like it was on Swedish TV and Netflix bought it. It started on Netflix.
Dave:
[11:29] Yeah.
Sarah:
[11:29] Yeah.
Tara:
[11:29] I don't know, maybe.
Sarah:
[11:29] So.
Dave:
[11:30] But they they're making shows for international markets individually now. Like this is not necessarily a show they produced. To get a big American audience, I mean, they own it, so why not stick it on the pile?
Sarah:
[11:40] Right.
Dave:
[11:42] But you know, they make Indian shows in India and etc.
Sarah:
[11:42] Mhm.
Dave:
[11:45] , etc. , down the line. So I think this is probably first for Scandinavians, and then second for everywhere else. And yeah, there are some things where you're like, what? I mean, the one for me was right in the middle of the sex worker storyline. They find The person they're looking for, and she's standing outside of the store that has a big sign that says slut. And I'm like, there's no way, there is no way they're doing that.
Tara:
[12:05] Yeah.
Sarah:
[12:06] I know Salute Uh-huh.
Dave:
[12:09] And then I look that up, and it means like. It means final, like we're missing sale or something like that after it. But I'm like, yeah, little things like that. But I don't know. I really liked stuff set in Scandinavia.
Sarah:
[12:18] Yeah.
Dave:
[12:20] And I agree, I would have liked to see more like setting. For the noob, the Scandinavian Swedish noob, where they are in history, that would have been appreciated. But as far as the actual story goes, I thought it was competent. The lead Who loses her badge is a bit incompetent at the start, but I thought the storytelling was competent just to make that difference. So I would place it in like solid B plus territory. Like, this is sort of that show.
Sarah:
[12:47] Yeah, I think so.
Dave:
[12:48] You know, a typical Netflix 80% of their catalog sort of show. But the fact that it's sort of foreign and exotic kind of hooked me in.
Tara:
[12:58] Mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[12:58] Yeah, barf.
Dave:
[12:59] That's good. All right. Barv.
Sarah:
[13:05] Speaking of Barf They'll put that on your tombstone.
Dave:
[13:06] No no, this is the opposite of Sonic Barf. This is Sonic B Eating food and behaving normally. Yes, it is time for ASCII HP.
Tara:
[13:17] Wow.
Sarah:
[13:29] Oh no, already losing it, guys.
Dave:
[13:33] All right, it is time for Ask Ass EHG judgment time.
Sarah:
[13:34] Great.
Dave:
[13:38] I have put the wheel out this week. So here we go. It's musical now.
Tara:
[13:49] Wow. Yes, me. I am charged to pick the best answers for this one. And I think You know, there really are no losers in this. Mara asked a very open-ended question, and I will read it now. I'm going to be spending a lot more time visiting with my elderly parents as they face increasing health challenges. including some cognitive ones. I'm looking for good television to watch with them that isn't dumb, they have great taste, but also steers clear of upsetting, graphic, or crude content. They love British television, mysteries and comedies, but even shows like What We Do in the Shadows, Fleabag, and Peep Show are a little too much for their sensibilities. On my list so far are Ludwig, Thursday Murder Club, Kunk on Earth, Ted Lasso, and Schitt's Creek. They are very liberal and open-minded and find the current world quite upsetting. Would love to add some shows that don't insult their intelligence, but also provide a pleasant escape.
Dave:
[14:40] Ancient aliens.
Tara:
[14:43] Perfect. Yeah, someone in the thread said Rosehaven, and I would have co-signed that for sure, except I don't think it is anywhere, which is tragic. Anyway, Sarah, you had an answer. Hit us.
Sarah:
[14:53] I did, and speaking of call the midwife, it's call the midwife. I think that's perfect for that sort of like British uplifting sensibilities thing. There are times when it. Can be upsetting, obviously, but that's sort of after you've gotten to know the characters and you're like, oh my God, I can't believe they killed off redacted.
Tara:
[15:13] Someone Yeah.
Sarah:
[15:14] So, yeah, I'm still mad about that, by the way.
Tara:
[15:17] We said just pick one each, and most people abided by that. In cases where someone picked more than one show, I picked my favorite from among them. So here are the runners-up. Johnny Asse says, maybe it's too obvious. When I think British show that provides a pleasant escape from the upsetting world, I think Taskmaster, great one. The whole run is on YouTube. I might have doubted this a couple of years ago, but we. Jumped my parents in with the season two premiere, which was our first taskmaster inducted into the canon, and they loved it. So I think that one is probably fine for parents. Pamela J Dot. Suggested, how about Fisk? It's Australian, not British, but delightful nonetheless. Yes, if you can't get Rose Haven, Fisk is the next best thing in terms of sensibility and vibe. Also, I'll say Colin from Accounts, another good Australian show. There's some upsetting dog stuff in the beginning, but the dog is fine after that, so don't worry. Janice Stark wrote, Cadfell, if a procedural took place in a 12th century abbey with Derek Jacobi as your world-weary monk detective. It was soothing appointment television when I was in college, currently on Britbox, it appears. Jessie says, My mother's 3 p. m. show, love that as a designation, is actually murder, she wrote. It's obviously dated, but she says it holds up, and there's a ton of them. There are truly hundreds of episodes. But our winner this week is Seth, speaking straight to my heart. The Gilded Age. The stakes are low, the hats are giant, and Nathan Lane is the great-great-grandfather of Foghorn Leghorn.
Sarah:
[16:38] Uh-huh.
Tara:
[16:43] Something for everyone, I agree, was a huge hit as our last watch party show. I've been looking around for a new one to replace it, nothing has popped yet. Good job, Seth. The Gilded Age for sure.
Dave:
[16:55] I think Seth still has a package that I haven't sent out yet. So either I'm going to double it up or just thanks for the good answer and you get nothing.
Tara:
[17:00] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[17:02] I don't know how we're going to break that.
Tara:
[17:04] Well, yeah, I'll leave that to you to settle what.
Dave:
[17:06] I'll put a quarter in. I'll put a couple of dollars in the next one.
Tara:
[17:09] Put put uh put Karin's badge in there.
Dave:
[17:12] I'll lick my thumb, peel off a few singles from my giant single wad I keep in my pants.
Tara:
[17:17] Sure.
Dave:
[17:17] Giant single wad. I keep in my pants.
Tara:
[17:19] Yep.
Dave:
[17:20] Something I regret saying out loud.
Tara:
[17:20] Mhm. Yeah.
Dave:
[17:22] All right.
Sarah:
[17:23] Okay.
Dave:
[17:23] Thank you, everybody, for those answers for the most wholesome use of Ask As ESG yet.
Tara:
[17:28] For sure. It was really fun reading through the thread. People took this very seriously, and it was lovely.
Dave:
[17:33] That's great. All right, let's get to your questions for us this week. First one comes from Jovial Gent. You need to revive Las Vegas' declining tourism by creating a TV-themed restaurant. It's a lot of pressure. What show would you choose and what memorable gimmick would make it stand out? All right, so Tara, you're in Vegas. You're planning a TV-themed restaurant. It's gotta work, or Vegas is canceled.
Tara:
[17:57] Well, this isn't for me, but it's definitely for a lot of someones out there. The show is Gilmore Girls. Easy to serve that kind of food. It's just Straight up and down American diner fare, which everybody likes or should. And the gimmick is you got ornery servers with backwards baseball caps and gigantic coffees. And obviously, it looks like Luke's. Sarah.
Sarah:
[18:19] Well, the actual serving food part is going to have to be Melville's, the restaurant upstairs from Cheers.
Tara:
[18:26] That was an alt for me.
Dave:
[18:27] That's pretty good. Do you have to go upstairs? Like it's actually emulating the set?
Sarah:
[18:32] Yes, Cheers has been recreated with an escalator, right down to the actors playing the actual characters who are always there.
Dave:
[18:32] Okay. Okay.
Sarah:
[18:41] So basically, it's like immersive dinner theater also.
Tara:
[18:43] Mhm. Yeah.
Sarah:
[18:44] And there are occasional, quote, residencies by Boston coded celebrities and athletes.
Tara:
[18:51] Mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[18:51] So occasionally you have like, I don't know, Ted Danson himself behind the bar or Johnny Damon as Carlo. I didn't get any further than Johnny Damon as Carlo.
Dave:
[19:03] Oh, I got one for you. Every once in a while, the whole cast of oh no, I forgot the name of the movie. The whole cast of the Boston Afflegg Damon and John Ham Heist movie come through. The town, the whole cast of the town, come through and steal some stuff from Melville's.
Sarah:
[19:16] The toad sure Mhm, yeah, kind of, Dave Uhhuh.
Tara:
[19:19] But I love the idea of it being like Jekyll and Sam's, basically.
Dave:
[19:23] Yeah. Mine is the bear. So you can either go to the bear part or you can go to the beef part.
Tara:
[19:31] Mhm.
Dave:
[19:32] But at the end of your meal, you get to go into the kitchen and open one can of tomatoes.
Sarah:
[19:38] Ooh, love that.
Tara:
[19:38] That's fun.
Dave:
[19:39] Erica, your octopus friend, inspired by the family feud, name an animal with three letters in its name coverage from a little ways back, frog.
Tara:
[19:39] Mhm.
Dave:
[19:48] What is your favorite game show mishap or wrong answer, sir?
Sarah:
[19:52] With an honorable mention to that time that there was a television without pity question on Jeopardy, and no one got it or even rang in on it. In the Ass is a legend for a reason. We'll link it in the show notes, but yeah. I mean, In the Butt Bob was better crafted, but her actual answer was a legend.
Clip:
[20:31] No, no, no, no, don't it's the way it's gonna be. So what I'm talking about is the weirdest location, the weirdest place. Location. I don't know. Give me an answer, please. He said it was in the car, on the freeway.
Dave:
[20:50] Some real Luke, I am your father stuff because she's obviously in the ass, not in the butt. So I don't know where that came from, but yeah, classic.
Sarah:
[20:57] Yeah.
Dave:
[20:58] That was my answer. It's just like, yeah, what else?
Sarah:
[21:01] Yeah.
Dave:
[21:01] Tops in the ass for an answer like that.
Sarah:
[21:02] Yeah. Justice for you, Banks.
Tara:
[21:04] Mhm.
Dave:
[21:04] Yeah. All right, so Tara was here.
Tara:
[21:06] Yeah, I didn't think of that one, so I had to go to a fictional one from France, which is this Watching Joey's watching Wheel of Fortune, one letter remaining. This guy is so stupid. It's Count Rushmore.
Dave:
[21:19] Diana Joy just discovered that TBS brought back dinner in a movie.
Sarah:
[21:19] Yeah.
Dave:
[21:23] If you were hosting, what heavily edited movie would you show and what Pun title meal would you serve with it? How about Texas Chainslaw Massacre?
Tara:
[21:33] Mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[21:34] Mm.
Dave:
[21:35] Or my favorite, Mad Max Curry Road? Yum yum yum yum.
Sarah:
[21:39] Ooh, uhhuh.
Dave:
[21:40] Track.
Tara:
[21:41] It's going to be sinners with potato skinners, Sarah.
Sarah:
[21:45] Um, silence of the lambs, you know, lamb chops, liver, mushroom pate for our vegetarian friends, and of course, fava beans and an iced chianti.
Tara:
[21:49] Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[21:55] Sure.
Tara:
[21:55] Yeah. I tried to get one cattle after another to do to be something, but I couldn't quite get there. Good movie, though. Go see it.
Dave:
[22:03] Suli rhymes with Julie. What TV show has the most appropriate theme song? Puts you in the mood, doesn't last too long, and if there's lyrics, they put you in the right headspace to watch the show. Tar Yeah.
Tara:
[22:16] Thirty rock. Super short, and it feels like the show. Dave.
Dave:
[22:22] Vikings. I like Vikings if I had a heart by Veaver Ray and Warrior. I may not always go to the warrior well for great theme songs, but that absolutely puts me in the mood and one of the few do not skip intro shows because of it.
Tara:
[22:29] Warrior's a good one. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep.
Dave:
[22:36] Sarah.
Sarah:
[22:37] Ah great. British baking show. It's nice and short, it's sprightly, and it is tradition on our couch to do bits about how the kid in the credits is now a grad student or a prime minister or a Hemsworth cousin or whatever.
Tara:
[22:49] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[22:50] Right. Damon, obviously you met a lot of celebrities over time. Who's someone you haven't met that you'd be squealing fangirl buoying over? Tara, you can chime in on this, but I honestly don't think I would squee about anyone these days. It's just not the way my brain is wired anymore.
Tara:
[23:03] No. You also don't know who anyone is.
Dave:
[23:07] Well, I also don't know who anyone is, but of the people I do know I don't think I would care enough to like make a scene or go over to them to do whatever.
Tara:
[23:10] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[23:16] Like, even if it was like somebody from like Star Wars or something like that, that was part of my formative years. Like. First of all, when you're a kid and there are celebrities, or even like probably into your 20s, you just have this thing where they're not quite people. They're like this mystical energy force that glows. But when you, as you age, you're like, well, Mark Hamill kind of makes me sad, and Harrison Ford seems like a real kind of grump all the time. And I don't really need to interact with that, etc.
Tara:
[23:41] Mhm.
Dave:
[23:44] etc.
Tara:
[23:45] Yeah.
Dave:
[23:45] Down the line. So, I mean, sorry to give this answer, but probably nobody.
Tara:
[23:48] Well, I'll go next because I had a similar one. If I was able to keep my composure interviewing John Hamm, and I did, I think my squealing days might be behind me, Sarah.
Sarah:
[23:58] Yeah, that was kind of where I came down to. Like, and also having lived in New York for 30 years. It's like you just gotta be cool. And especially at my advanced age now, it's like, do they like they're eating? Do they want me being like Oh my god, I loved you in the Perry Mason reboot. Like, this is the closest I would get: like, charging up to Matthew Rees and Carrie Russell. And then I would stop like half a block away and be like, no one wants this, even me.
Dave:
[24:29] Yeah. I think I've told this story before on this podcast. Perhaps it was listen to Sassy, but I was getting my hair cut in Toronto one time, and Gabriel Byrne was walking down the street, and the guy cutting my hair put his scissors down. Ran out the door, pointed at him, said, You're Gabriel Byrne. And then like Gabriel Byrne's like, yeah. And then he went back in.
Sarah:
[24:46] Yah.
Dave:
[24:47] I'm like, what? What thought proceeds went into that whole scenario?
Tara:
[24:51] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[24:53] I mean, I ate a soup plantation meal right next door to Weird Al, and I didn't say boo.
Tara:
[24:58] Mhm. Next table, not next door.
Dave:
[25:00] So if I'm. Yeah, well, I meant next door to, you know what I mean.
Tara:
[25:01] Yeah. Yes.
Sarah:
[25:03] I mean, I chased him through an MTV after party and he was awesome about it when I finally Caught up to him after like 15 minutes of being like, Excuse me, Mr. Al, like a real smart, cool person. C I've met a couple celebrities where I wasn't cool. I got away with it. They were normal plus about it. And it's like, let's just quit.
Dave:
[25:26] But the other thing is when you meet people at that, this is one of 20,000 of these events they're going to, and you know they don't really enjoy it. They just might rather be at home.
Tara:
[25:34] Yeah. No, this is work.
Dave:
[25:36] Yeah, this work.
Tara:
[25:36] Yeah.
Dave:
[25:37] So, probably not the answer you wanted, but that's the one you got.
Tara:
[25:40] Sorry.
Dave:
[25:41] Elzus, I'm watching Franklin and Bash for the first time, and I was excited to see Heather Locklear. But she's my number one name abyss person. I cannot remember her name under any sort of pressure, and my brain just yells Morgan Fairchild, even though I know they are two different people and I can't get it to stop.
Sarah:
[25:52] Oh, God Are they Happy to be able to do it.
Dave:
[26:01] So, my question is: Do you have a person whose name always gets buried in your mind? Two people you always mix up. Tar.
Tara:
[26:08] Yeah, Don Oilmeyer and Dick Ebersoll, and they don't make that easy for me because they both Were TV executives. They both worked at NBC at various times, I think. They both produced the Olympics. Like, they might as well just be the same guy, and it's kind of rude that they're not.
Sarah:
[26:27] Especially to Olmeier, because Eversal just got fucking roasted in every SNL look back property ever. Three namers are a problem for me, which I can try to make fun in game time. But there are a lot of three named Phillips And to the dismay of everyone, my first thought is Philip Michael Thomas, and that's literally never who it is. Oscar winning star of Capote, Philip Michael Thomas. Library cop actor from Seinfeld, Philip Michael Thomas Yes, yes, I know. I always get to see more Hoffman and Baker Hall eventually. For that first 30 seconds, it's Tubbs. Everyone is Tubbs. It's a problem.
Tara:
[27:11] Before you move on, I have one more that I just remembered. And it was I had to actually Google for like context clues because I truly can never remember. Carrie Butler, she's a Broadway star. She was in I first saw her in the Xanadu.
Dave:
[27:24] Oh, yeah, she did it.
Tara:
[27:25] Musical, but she was the original Penny Pingleton in hairspray. She's also Dave, and she's one of the other.
Dave:
[27:33] I know who she is.
Tara:
[27:34] Who is she?
Dave:
[27:35] I don't know.
Tara:
[27:35] She's one of the fight club ladies in that episode of 30 Rock.
Dave:
[27:40] Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tara:
[27:41] But for some reason, whenever I try to think of her name and I like her a lot, I always think Trailer Howard from Monk. That's.
Sarah:
[27:47] Oh, okay.
Tara:
[27:48] Two different ladies, both blondes, but other than that, not the same. Dave.
Dave:
[27:51] This recently came up in another podcast, but the year is 1991, and Belfazar Getty and Lee Schreiber are the same person. I will not hear otherwise.
Sarah:
[27:59] Oh, yeah.
Tara:
[28:00] They really look alike.
Dave:
[28:01] But I just wanted to point out, there's a minor third person in the Fairchild Locklear cloud, and that is Heather Thomas from The Fall Guy.
Tara:
[28:07] Yeah, mhm.
Sarah:
[28:07] Mm-hmm, yeah.
Dave:
[28:08] So she was also in the mix of people you confuse with those two.
Sarah:
[28:12] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[28:13] Corey M, have there been any movies from the last decade that have become Poppyfield movies for you? Sir, your first briefly explained Poppyfield movies.
Sarah:
[28:22] That's the movie that, even though you've already seen it a million times And it's on TV in its like most boulderized form, and you own it in other media, you will still become becalmed in front of it for the duration of The film, including commercials, you'll have like one leg in your tights, like sobbing along to the end of the natural, for instance. Spoiler, he hits home run. I know this, can never pry myself away from the TV. Thus, the poppy fields from Wizard of Oz, same effect. Movies from the last decade. This was a fascinating question because the way that you get poppy fields now is not the same as when I came up with this term. You're not reliant on cable to hork up an ocean's whatever number. But in our house, it's Thor Ragnarok. It's It's not that it's good even, but it's like that's the one that's usually on when we're dialing around before dinner, and we can never not watch it.
Dave:
[29:24] I would never would have guessed that in a million years that a Marvel film is a Poppyfield movie. That's odd.
Sarah:
[29:30] It is what it is. And then Oceans Eight and Logan Lucky would work like that if they were on. Ever, Ocean's Eight has started to be on in like the upper reaches of the basic cable menu, like the Pop channel. Logan Lucky should be on everywhere. It's a great movie. But yeah, that is mine. Thor Ragnarok. And I had a feeling Dave would be like Him, but it it's it's true. Dave.
Dave:
[29:54] Last decade, I don't know exactly what that means, so I just said 10 years ago and up.
Tara:
[29:59] Yeah, since twenty fifteen.
Dave:
[30:00] Right. But that's like, is that a decade or is that 10 years?
Sarah:
[30:01] Yeah.
Dave:
[30:03] That's what I was worried about. I mean, a decade is like 80 to 89.
Tara:
[30:07] No, a decade is ten years.
Sarah:
[30:09] Oh, I see what you're saying. From the current decade, you thought it might mean.
Dave:
[30:14] I wanted it to be precise, but then I thought, fuck it, I don't care anymore.
Tara:
[30:17] Yeah.
Dave:
[30:17] So I went 2015, and that is 2015 Sicario.
Tara:
[30:20] Mhm.
Dave:
[30:22] I really like that movie a lot.
Tara:
[30:22] Oh, yeah, that's a good movie.
Dave:
[30:23] And it's got a lot of things that's really well done.
Tara:
[30:24] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[30:26] And it's sort of a singular type of movie and it's super stylish and all that stuff goes into it. And I watch it and I love it. And my brain, for whatever reason, says, all right. Crumples up that piece of Sicario paper, throws it in the toilet, and I forget about another three years to be pleasantly surprised again.
Tara:
[30:43] Well, I mean, I think it just missed the decade, but like Pop Star Never Stop, Never Stopping is definitely one for me. But I'll say one that is going to be that in the future is Freakier Friday, which I saw in the theater three times. It was almost four, but I slept in one Saturday when it was down to like one show a day, and I missed it. That's my anticipatory pick for that.
Dave:
[31:06] All right, Dixon Chance. Who is a Canadian historical figure who deserves a Hamilton-style musical? First of all, Littless Hobo, who doesn't want to see a dog sing.
Tara:
[31:16] Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[31:19] Uh but then I actually thought about real ones. Probably too dark to actually put asses in the seat, but Louis Riel would make a good story in that Hamilton kind of way where there's phases and strong opinions held and all that.
Tara:
[31:30] Mm-hmm. Big Saskatchewan guy.
Dave:
[31:32] Yep.
Tara:
[31:32] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[31:33] But my actual answer is: I'm going to see if Tara remembers who this is: Wilder Pinfield.
Sarah:
[31:38] Wow, what a name.
Dave:
[31:39] Do you know who Wilder Pinfield is? And if you don't, that's fine.
Tara:
[31:42] Ugh.
Dave:
[31:42] I got some audio reminders.
Tara:
[31:43] I was gonna say, is it insulin?
Dave:
[31:46] No, but you're close.
Tara:
[31:47] That's banting and best, right?
Dave:
[31:48] All right, let's roll that beautiful brain footage.
Clip:
[31:52] Saul, Saul, toast is burning. Toast is murky.
Tara:
[31:57] Ah, yes.
Clip:
[32:07] Every time she has a seizure, she smells something burning. Now, if we can provoke that smell by probing the surface of the brain, we'll find the source of the seizures. Mrs. Cole, do you feel anything? And see the most wonderful lights. And now, what do you feel? Did you pour cold water on my hand, Dr. Penfield? Now what? Ugh. What is it, Mrs. Cold? Burnt toast. Dr. Penfield, I can smell burnt toast. Dr. Wilder Penfield. He cured my seizures and hundreds more. They say he drew the roadmap of the human brain. We just called him the greatest. Canadian Alive.
Dave:
[32:50] Bumpin' up a bump, Dr. Ice Mail for Toast, and I love you the most for fixing me up That is a Canadian heritage moment. And you know, if you're not from Canada, it would take too long to explain all the things they've done in that amazing series. But they were just like. Minute-long commercials, PSAs that they would stick in weird times on TV. And it's all about notable Canadians, and there are a lot of them. We were talking about Both you know I cannot read a word a few years ago, and that's one of them. Lots of different little Canadian bits and bytes, but This is the one about the guy who's they actually show in the operating room and he's got little sensors on her brain and she's like lying on the table, her brain's exposed, and there's these little Cotton ball sensors going on her head. And so, if you're Canadian and doctor, I smell bird toast, everybody knows exactly what the situation is. So that is my choice to become a Hamilton style musical with the big I smelt burnt toast number at the end.
Tara:
[33:48] Well, I mean, I had my original answer was Tommy Douglas, but I just said him for something else. Spirit, I'm going to say Jenny Trout, also the subject of a Canadian Heritage Minute. She was one of the first women ever to be admitted to medical school. And the reason that everyone remembers her Heritage Minute is that She's in a lecture, and the it's all men, and just her and one other woman. And she, he's being a pig about like, we're It's about the male anatomy. And he has like a little fig leaf over the crotch because ladies are here and it's not appropriate. And she stomps down and rips it off. And you see the drawings wang in the Canadian Heritage Minute. And that's Rad, so Jenny Trout.
Dave:
[34:29] Yep.
Tara:
[34:29] I'll put the link in the show notes.
Dave:
[34:30] There's so many of them, too.
Sarah:
[34:31] Oh, my God.
Tara:
[34:32] There's so many. You know, I cannot read a word.
Dave:
[34:34] You know, I cannot read a word.
Tara:
[34:36] Sarah.
Dave:
[34:37] All right, let's get something for our Americans. Sarah.
Sarah:
[34:40] I picked Edwin Alonso Boyd, bank robber, who after being broiled from Kingston Penn moved to BC and lived quietly until, shortly before his death at age 88, he confessed to a double murder in which he stuffed the bodies in the trunk of a car.
Tara:
[34:47] Sure.
Sarah:
[34:57] that he took visits from various family members from far and wide, and then died before Canadian feds could find a way to get proceedings against him rolling for this murder.
Tara:
[35:09] Damn whoa All?
Sarah:
[35:09] Then I found out that Boyd already had a musical made about him. It was called Girls in the Gang. I don't know. It was back in the eighties. It does seem to have gotten some positive awards notice, but his story also has become a film starring Scott Speedman. It has inspired an S V U episode starring Brian Denahy, and it is full of Characters, like the characters welcome kind of characters, including a guy nicknamed the clown and a different guy with a wooden leg who stored hacksaw blades in his foot the better to break out of prison. I think the world can hold more than one musical about Boyd and his eponymous gang, and it should.
Dave:
[35:51] Fantastic. All right. Hellcat has our last question. I am cleaning the fridge out. Very good. Very good. And listening to Extra, Extra Hot Great. What is your I Hate This Fucking Chore podcast? That makes it a little more tolerable. Tara.
Tara:
[36:07] I have culled every podcast from my list that is not entertaining in that way. I used to listen to real, like, Vegetable-y ones like citation needed. Great podcast, but you know, not super fun.
Dave:
[36:20] Tara loves to laugh.
Tara:
[36:21] Or I do love to laugh.
Dave:
[36:23] She loves to laugh.
Tara:
[36:23] You hear me laughing at my podcasts all the time.
Clip:
[36:26] Let's laugh and forget ourselves.
Tara:
[36:29] So if you're looking for recommendations, the one that has really been delivering lately is Stradio Lab this week's Guest is Julio Torres, and his straight topic is deodorant, and it's amazing. So I recommend that very highly. Dave.
Dave:
[36:44] The podcast that I'm enjoying the most right now is called After Dark. It's about the darker and weirder bits of history you don't hear about a lot, or they drill down on something you have heard about a lot in an interesting way, like I don't know, Nero or something like that. But it's hosted by a woman and a gay man, so you don't get that doughy 50-year-old white guy usually hosting a history podcast, Energy. Like they just did an episode about molly houses recently, which I've never heard the term before. Have you ever heard of molly houses, Sarah? You're a Victorian Jack the Ripper kind of Yeah.
Sarah:
[37:15] I mean, I've heard the term, but I don't remember what it means now.
Dave:
[37:18] I mean, this is simplifying it, but it's the closest thing to a gay bar you're going to get in that time. So it's just like put the history of that and how they were rated and who operated there and how they just like worked from day to day.
Sarah:
[37:23] Gotcha. Okay.
Dave:
[37:30] Very interesting. So terrible name after dark. It should have been called like Juicy History or something like that. But really fun show. And that's the one I'm listening to the most. Sir.
Sarah:
[37:40] It depends on the fucking chore in question. For bookshop fucking chores, I save listen to sassy as a treat. And criminal is for gnarly bathroom shit because criminal is like 20. two minutes long, pretty much exactly. I put on rubber gloves, I tell Siri to start the episode, and because of the length, it serves as a Pomodoro timer, and it's like, whatever is not done in here by the time the end credits music starts is just not done. So, thanks, criminal.
Dave:
[38:10] Oh, I have another one because people, when they want to recommend me something, they always tell me the rest is history. But the same company has one called The Rest is Classified. where there's an ex-CIA guy and I think a British reporter that was covering the MI5 beat and so they do stories about classified things or spy things. They just did a big Series on Pablo Escobar, which was pretty good. So I recommend that one too. All right, let's get into the ask-as-E-H-G question for this week to remind you: this is a question you, dear listeners. Should answer. You can go to our Discord and plop an answer there. And if you're not on Discord, you can't really get on Discord, but you really want to put a submission in, go ahead, just email me. That's fine. David at cold. fyi. Just put like ask, ask, ESG in the in the subject heading so I can save it for when we go through the answers. All right, jovial gent. Seeing fan art of Columbo and Batman made me think: what other TV detectives should team up with Batman and how would those dynamics play out? All right, that's your question. If you're on Discord, we have an Ask Ask ESG channel. You can put your answers. in there or email me, and we'll be back soon with a judgment on all that. It is time for the tiny candidate presenting this week is Tiny Tara.
Tara:
[39:26] Yes, this is a presentation for the musical performance Tiny Cannon from The Late Show with David Letterman, The Beastie Boys Sixth Studio album to the Five Burrows came out internationally on June 14th, 2004. To prepare the American audience for its arrival the following day, the band appeared on The Late Show with David Letterman on the 14th to perform Cha-Check It Out. Here's why I think it belongs in the musical performance tiny canon. If you don't remember what the track is, let's hear clip one.
Clip:
[39:55] Chip to chip, chick, chip to check it out. Wump up, wump up, what's it all about? Work, woman, work, work, work, go, work it out. Let's turn this, turn this audio out.
Tara:
[40:04] So originally it's let's turn this motherfucking party out, but you know, it's TV. They should have still done it and just bleeped it in my opinion, but never mind. Here are the reasons I think this belongs in the musical performance tiny canon. Number one, they're pulling off something with a high degree of difficulty. After David Letterman introduces them from his desk, we cut outside to the stairs of the 7th Avenue, 53rd Street subway station, where MCA leads the other two guys, Mike D and Avrock, up. The stairs and onto the street. The three perform the song live, directly into a fisheye lens camera, all the way into the theater, where they finish up on stage, finally surrounding Letterman at his desk for the final bars. Dave found a Reddit thread about how the crew pulled off the Unbroken Street shot, which had tons of detail from a member of that crew about how they did it, and we'll include it in the show notes. They had wireless earpieces so they could hear the DJ inside the theater. Guys to pull the cable so the camera operator could continuously shoot. Crowd control to keep bystanders out of the way. But while you're watching it, you barely think about how they're doing it because what they're doing looks cool as hell. Not even the dork-ass gawking tourists on either side of the sidewalk can dampen it. Number two, it reiterates the show's sense of place in the neighborhood. Beta Leg, the name of Reddit poster from the crew, notes in the thread that this is far from the hardest thing the show had to pull off shooting outside the theater, which was something Letterman's Late Show did all the time. From remotes with Rupert G. at the Hello Deli, which the Beastie Boys pass in their strut to the theater, to live stunts in the street, Letterman's late show reveled in being a New York City show. It feels fitting that a New York City group like the Beastie Boys would want to be part of that excitement. Number three, a track about TV deserves a great TV moment. Clip two.
Clip:
[41:45] You checkies and TV addicts. The meaning there's no mean to break static. Or you cling on to your grandma's house. Grab your backstreet friend to get loud. Pull the doors off in tears. And fabulous with the peer tears. And no, I didn't look tired. I stretched out with the needle more. Like beach roller Omaha with the ill boy you never seen before just gliding in the glaze and like Lorene you know I get paid like a fresh a with the baseline the hates so I'm not high nicked at night with nice cream running, let you know alright Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, and Staten.
Tara:
[42:18] So it's not only about TV, but it's partly about TV. And number four, it loves New York. To the Five Burroughs was the Beastie Boys' first album since the September 11th attacks. An open letter to NYC on that album opens like this, clip three.
Clip:
[42:35] From the Battery to the top of Manhattan, Asian, Middle East, third, and Black and black, right? New York, you make it happen. Brownstones, water towers, trees, guys, scrapers, riders, prize fighters, and Wall Street traders. We call together on the subway cars, the bus of the unified, whoever you are. We do it fine on the one. On the L, we doing 12 on the number 10 bucks. We fightin' bucks. You know, it's thorough in the burrows, cause that's a muck. I remember Check it out, check it out, check it out.
Tara:
[43:03] So to check it out is not As sincere, but performing it on the unpredictable streets of the city among strangers and making it look fun and exciting and spontaneous and above all safe should have fast-tracked this segment to be a New York tourism commercial. Thank you for letting me make you check, check, check. Check this out for the tiny can in consideration. Clip four.
Clip:
[43:27] Yeah, hasty boys.
Tara:
[43:28] Yeah.
Dave:
[43:31] Thank you, Tara. Sarah, when you start us up.
Sarah:
[43:33] These are my notes. Quintessentially NYC group doing a quintessentially NYC song on the New York Cityest late night show there ever was. I'm not a huge Bec's guy usually, but I love this album and I love that David Letterman and David Bunting Sr. share Certain sang foie, I guess you would say. But when they are legitimately delighted by something, it's fairly rare and quite evident. And that Letterman just thought this was the coolest shit that he'd seen all month was very clear, and you have to respect That and it probably was. The beasties are just fucking effortless, cool, always were. So, yeah, I don't really have a ton else to say. I had completely forgotten this moment. Watching it, you do get a sense, especially from the absolute building size dudes that are occasionally in the back of the shot, how tough this must have been to pull off in a single throw. And they make it look like nothing because that's how the Beasties rock. So, yeah, this was really fun to revisit. I gotta give that album another listen. It's been a minute, but great presentation and great argument.
Dave:
[44:55] Yes, speaking to the technical stuff involved with making this happen, that guy that you're talking about on Reddit was saying that People in the industry were coming up to them and saying, Wow, that was really amazing how you did all that live and you actually pulled it off and it worked. And he was saying, like, yeah, we did like six or seven of those a year, and that wasn't the most impressive thing they've done that year. It just happened to be probably the most high-profile one.
Sarah:
[45:20] Well, From very close to the Isle of Staten, I say yes.
Dave:
[45:22] So people knew about it.
Tara:
[45:23] Well, and that they looked so cool doing it that it was it made it memorable.
Dave:
[45:24] So Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Tara:
[45:27] Yeah, yeah.
Dave:
[45:29] Part of the course, it sounds like for them to pull off shit like this. And yeah, you remember they do a lot of remote stuff out there. That fireworks thing that we did.
Tara:
[45:36] Yeah, yeah.
Dave:
[45:36] Like last year, as well. That was like another one that was probably hard to set up. Didn't go exactly the way they wanted it.
Tara:
[45:42] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[45:42] But, and then the other thing about them performing it. And this guy also said, like, you know, they rehearsed it a few times to make sure all the timing was right. And the beastie boys barge into the actual set on the words Shazam and Abracadabra. And then they come through the curtains or whatever is there.
Tara:
[45:59] Yeah, so good.
Dave:
[46:02] And to pull off that timing live, it's, you know, that's pretty good.
Tara:
[46:06] Mhm.
Dave:
[46:07] I didn't know this existed before you brought it up, Tara. I've never seen this before. So I was delighted. I am not like. the biggest Beastie Boys fan, but like every right-minded person, I enjoy quite a few of their songs.
Tara:
[46:20] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[46:21] And this is this is a good one. I enjoy that Letterman also seemed to be enjoying himself because sometimes you're just not sure.
Tara:
[46:26] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[46:27] You know, sometimes you see them silhouetted. In the background, as people performing on the stage, and you're like, ah, he's bored, or he doesn't give a shit.
Tara:
[46:33] Yeah, yeah.
Dave:
[46:35] And then there's like, you know, he'll just wave to them or something like that. And that's the end of it. But I got the sense that this was a moment.
Tara:
[46:42] Yeah, he always had really good musical taste, I think, and was like not scared to break new and upcoming artists. And that was a real hallmark of his version of the show. This came up on the Lonely Island and Seth Meyers podcast. Of course, like The Lonely Island gets compared to the Beastie Boys all the time. There's three of them. They also do jokey raps, you know. And every you know, they're very emphatic about like anytime anyone makes that comparison, we are extremely flattered because they do it for real and we're just a bunch of dumb clowns. Stuff. So, this came up in an episode that I listened to recently. I'm making my way through the back catalog, and I remembered watching it at the time, but I had to go and check it out again, and as it were, and as soon as I did, I was like, This is this deserves some kind of commemoration, I feel.
Dave:
[47:26] Yeah, it was great. All right, Sarah Debunting, what say you officially? Me too. So the BC Boys from Farming. Check it out from the late show with David Letterman. You're hereby inducted to the extra hot gray tiny musical performance canon.
Clip:
[47:47] Americans love a winner. Yup. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope.
Dave:
[47:53] Not quite winner of the week is Young Frankenstein. It's getting a prequel series at FX. First of all, I was like, I had my heckles up. I'm not like a young Frankenstein purist. I like, I think it's really good, but it's not like sacrosanct for me. This is apparently called Very Young Frankenstein, which made me laugh. But I was like, for first just reading the headline, I'm like, no, no, thank you. But then, okay, it's got Zach Galifanakis in it, which Is exactly like it doesn't move the needle for me one way or the other. Like, I'm neutral on him. I think he's fine. I think he's funny, but also he makes a lot of choices that are like not the best use of your talents. But then this other casting, I'm like, what the fuck? Carrie Elwies, Elwise, whatever from Princess Bride is the President of the United States. And I was like, okay, what?
Tara:
[48:42] Sure.
Dave:
[48:44] And then the clincher was that it's created by Stefani Robinson.
Tara:
[48:48] Ooh, I interviewed her too.
Dave:
[48:50] Who is a yeah, who is a writer on Atlanta and what we do in the shadows?
Tara:
[48:54] Yep.
Dave:
[48:54] She wrote Woods for Atlanta, which is in the canon.
Tara:
[48:55] She She wrote, Go ahead.
Sarah:
[48:58] Okay, yep.
Tara:
[49:01] Sorry.
Dave:
[49:02] Wow. Grade me, grade me. I'm ever so good.
Tara:
[49:05] All right.
Dave:
[49:06] I know the answer, teacher.
Tara:
[49:08] Go ahead.
Dave:
[49:09] And on the run from What We Do in the Shadows, aka the Jackie Daytona episode. So she is a really good writer. She is really funny and really smart. So I'm all turned around this now and looking forward to it. So very young Frankenstein, not quite winner of the week. Not quite loser, Josh Hartnett, hospitalized after a collision with a cop car in Newfoundland, where he's filming a show for Netflix. I just want to say he's probably convalescing with fiddleheads as we speak. That's just for one person who's getting mad at me right now.
Sarah:
[49:39] Dear Oh dear Grassy ass My not quite winner is When Hope Calls, which is a When Calls the Heart spin-off.
Tara:
[49:40] Mm-hmm, he's furious.
Dave:
[49:42] Fiddleheads, it's a piece of a fern before it unfurls itself. And you fry them up and you eat it. Apparently, it tastes like grass. Enjoy. Sarah Debunting, not quite winner of the week. Oh I have questions at the end of this.
Sarah:
[50:01] Did you know that this existed? Me neither. Did you know that it's existed for more than two seasons and will now be getting a third because it got renewed at Great American Family?
Tara:
[50:12] You know, I didn't.
Sarah:
[50:13] Me neither.
Tara:
[50:15] Hmm.
Dave:
[50:15] Go ahead.
Sarah:
[50:17] And congratulations and a question mark also to Brookshields and her eyelashes. She is returning to the mother show 10 years after her original appearance, I guess. They won't be needing her on SBU. Now that her character is in jail, it's also been a while.
Tara:
[50:34] That Yes.
Dave:
[50:36] Is the show contemporary with the original? So it's not like set in a new confusing timeline. I would just like to see like they're in 1910s guard, but one guy's got like a Houston Astros baseball cap on. Just like little touches like that is what I expect from this show.
Tara:
[50:53] Yeah. Mhm.
Sarah:
[50:55] Or like someone has an Apple watch and like mid-scene they realize it and try to stuff it up that sleeve.
Dave:
[50:57] That's right.
Tara:
[51:02] Yeah.
Dave:
[51:03] And loser, not quite.
Sarah:
[51:04] Um, yeah, keeping it in the great American family. Our loser is great American family. They are trying to make Candace Cameron Beret's daughter, Natasha, happen. By casting her in a Christmas movie this season and secondarily in the Beret verse, she is trying to make the Bible happen even more. I got a PR blast. Why I got this, I'm sure I don't know. For America Reads the Bible, and you know, great American media presents Candace Cameron Berets Involvement in Bible verses, or she's like the spokesperson for.
Dave:
[51:43] Wait.
Sarah:
[51:43] I don't know if this is like readings across America or what.
Dave:
[51:45] Is it Bible verses, or is it the Bible verse?
Sarah:
[51:46] Also, I don't care, or don't at me.
Dave:
[51:50] And this is an exciting cinematic universe.
Sarah:
[51:53] Yes, both.
Dave:
[51:54] Okay.
Sarah:
[51:55] Produced by Bart Burnett, I guess.
Dave:
[51:56] Well, all I know is time sure flies when you're reading the Bible.
Tara:
[51:59] Sure does.
Dave:
[52:02] Tara, who's you're not quite winning.
Sarah:
[52:04] Where'd you learn that?
Dave:
[52:04] Sorry, are you done?
Sarah:
[52:05] Your Apple Watch?
Dave:
[52:06] Was there more Bible talk? Sorry.
Sarah:
[52:08] No, sure wasn't.
Dave:
[52:09] All right. So check that out. The Bible.
Tara:
[52:12] Check, check, check, check, check it out. My not quite winner of the week is Piggy Blinders. This is breaking news that I just read this morning. It is getting a sequel series with a two season commitment at Netflix. Stephen Knight is back to write. Killian Murphy will also be in it and is an executive producer. This is going to be starting in 1953, so it's what the Shelbies are up to post-World War II.
Sarah:
[52:36] Where was where was original Piggy Blinders?
Tara:
[52:40] It was also at Netflix.
Sarah:
[52:40] What oh, okay.
Dave:
[52:40] Yeah, it was NBLX.
Tara:
[52:42] Yeah.
Sarah:
[52:42] I thought so.
Dave:
[52:43] Where did it end? It ended up in thirties, right?
Tara:
[52:44] It ended in the 30s. They're in the run-up to World War II.
Dave:
[52:48] Right.
Tara:
[52:49] Because there's the the major character played by what's a Sam Glafflin.
Dave:
[52:51] Oh, that's right. They just had the stark marker stark stark they just had the stork market crash where all the babies fell.
Tara:
[52:54] Yeah. Well, they had that.
Dave:
[52:59] Yeah.
Tara:
[53:00] And then they also had the rise of like the, you know, whatever the British Union Fascist Party, that guy.
Sarah:
[53:01] Stork market.
Dave:
[53:03] Right. Yeah, those guys. With the with the gold nose from Pennyworth.
Tara:
[53:08] Oh, yeah. Not quite loser of the week.
Dave:
[53:12] Confusing things. But wait, sorry, just to get back that for a second.
Tara:
[53:15] Is the movie still happening? I think so.
Dave:
[53:17] So they're doing both.
Tara:
[53:18] I think they're doing both.
Dave:
[53:19] So the movie will be right after the show, probably, and then this will be.
Tara:
[53:22] I think so, but let me double check that before we include this.
Dave:
[53:24] Huh. This feels like it's instead of the movie.
Tara:
[53:27] Nope, the sequels will follow on from the Peaky Blinders movie, which is currently in post-production.
Dave:
[53:31] Crazy. All right.
Tara:
[53:34] You will not be blind to Peaky Blinders. There will be plenty more to see.
Dave:
[53:37] Well, the good news is they're not taking the movie and just like chopping it up into a series.
Tara:
[53:41] Right.
Dave:
[53:42] Right.
Tara:
[53:42] Yes.
Dave:
[53:42] So, yeah.
Tara:
[53:43] Not quite loser of the week. This happens every season and is funny to me every time. Fandor Pump Rules alumna Brittany Cartwright has quit Special Forces World's Toughest Test on the first day. And, like, I'm not saying I could do it. This is what I say every time. I couldn't do it either, but that's why I wouldn't sign up for it. Like, why, what makes you think? Especially in season three when you've seen the previous Seasons be full of people like crying on camera and quitting real early because it's super duper hard.
Sarah:
[54:11] And yeah, vomiting blood, like no.
Tara:
[54:13] This isn't like going on Love Island. This is actually apparently quite real and awful. Like, don't sign up for this if you're weak.
Dave:
[54:21] I mean, there are days where we're like, I don't think I could walk the dog for his night walk right now.
Tara:
[54:21] Sorry.
Dave:
[54:28] That's our world's toughest test.
Tara:
[54:30] Yeah.
Dave:
[54:30] It's like, does the dog get to go for his night walk? I don't know. I'm really tired.
Tara:
[54:33] Yeah.
Dave:
[54:34] Let's just let him run around the backyard for a bit.
Tara:
[54:36] Yes, that was my world's toughest test last night when it was going to take Sandy out under cover of night because she's so bad. We can't take her out when other dogs are out. And she was curled up so cute and small in her bed. Like, oh, do I even want to wake her up? But I did.
Dave:
[54:51] All right.
Tara:
[54:52] The end.
Dave:
[54:54] Grape. Grape.
Sarah:
[54:56] Grape. Hey, Grandpa, or as they say in Sweden, hey Welcome. We're glad you're here. We would love it if you kicked up those pledges so you get to hear over an hour of stuff that we already talked about. We talked about Swedish mid century lady cops and the vomit that they dodge. We talked about our ideas for Vegas T V theme restaurants. There were Canadian folk heroes turned musical theater. There was Beastie Boys tracks There is so much stuff in the full episode. We do feel it's worth it. We feel that you're worth it. But we also feel it's a tough economy right now. So we're just glad that you are here for this extra credit. King or queen of TV Lee Mountain. Each of your panelists was tasked with picking three lees that can be the first name or last name. It could be L E E or L I, characters, actors, creators, moments in time. We are each backing Three Lee's, and we're going to have them face off in randomized order for the title of king/slash/queen of TV Lee Mountain. Just to refresh you quickly on how a king of the mountain works. The first two combatants face off, we vote, whoever wins that round faces the third in line, whoever wins that round faces the fourth, etc. , and so on. At the end one Lee will be standing, and that Lee's selection will have the force of law. Shall I read the full list of Lees in their randomized order before we begin? All right, we got Jason Scott Lee, we got Lee Turgeson, we've got Lily Sobieski's poem from Right After 9-11. We've got Hoon Lee, a Lee Jeans ad, Lee Majors, Greta Lee, Lee Pace, and Lee Adama Husky Boy Edition is Is what we had in our notes.
Tara:
[56:56] He's dragging ass.
Sarah:
[57:00] Yeah. All right. So we are going to begin the first face-off: Jason Scott Lee versus Lee Turgeson. Tara, you brought Jason Scott Lee to the table. What is your argument?
Tara:
[57:11] Sure. I brought him to the table because I loved his performance in Doogie Kamehaloha MD, the Disney Plus. Teen sitcom I adored. Canceled too soon. He played the titular character's father, Benny, who has a shave ice and flowers stand after retiring from finance. Apparently, quite wealthy. Also, his wife is like the chief of staff at the hospital. So they're doing fine in Honolulu. But he was a really sweet dad, great character, fun and goofy. And I interviewed him once, and he was lovely.
Sarah:
[57:45] The number two combatant in our first round is Lee Turgeson, Tobias Beecher on Oz. He is like one of the charter members of that Levinson, Fontana, homicide, law and order verse set of actors. He's been on a super wide range of shows. He's been on prestige stuff. He's been on sort of garbage-y procedurals like Blue Bloods. He was the voice of Advil in the aughts, which I completely forgot about. And has that, hey, it's that wrongly convicted guy or disgraced colonel vibe, which means that he's always gonna work. Because I always get crushes on like the third tier people. He was my pin up from Oz and not Maloney, weirdly. But yeah, Lee Turguson, a TV Titan. So I guess it's time to talk through the process of voting. David T. Cole, what do you're going to do here? Who's the king of this mountain?
Dave:
[58:38] Okay. I assume we're bringing our own criteria to whoever is going to remain here. There is no set rules.
Sarah:
[58:44] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[58:46] All right.
Sarah:
[58:46] Yep.
Dave:
[58:47] Well, I'm going to say about Jason Scott Lee is that he's easy on the eyes.
Tara:
[58:51] Yeah, he's very handsome.
Dave:
[58:53] Yeah.
Tara:
[58:53] He's ripped.
Dave:
[58:54] I can't say that I knew who he was before we started this King of the TV lead mountain game. Lee Turguson, of course. I wouldn't be able to place his name because he is just Beecher to me, no matter where I see him. He is, that is his name now. Sorry, buddy. But I would definitely have to give this one to Lee Turgeson just for being TV's Lee Turgeson.
Tara:
[59:16] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[59:17] Yeah. So just an exposure vote for me. Just know him, can vouch for him. Who's next?
Sarah:
[59:25] I mean, I guess I am also voting for Lee Turgeson, but I could have been talked into it, I guess. Jason Scott Lee is very, very hot. So I am voting for Lee Turgeson as well. Tara?
Tara:
[59:36] Yeah, Leak Turgeson for me, too. He also had a recurring role on The New Adventures of Old Christine as like her old Sort of guy that she had a crush on when they were kids, and he was really rude to her and is still like nagging her super hard as adults, which is very funny. In addition to Oz also was on the Americans for a minute, too. Like, he's just around. He's definitely the superior TV Lee of these two, undeniably.
Sarah:
[1:00:02] All right. Lee Turkeson survives this round. His next opponent is Lily Sobieski's Whatever the fuck that was. Post 9/11 poem. It's impossible, or it was for me to find video of this. Some hero on YouTube patched together audio. We have a clip. You're welcome. I didn't clip the whole thing, but let's listen to a little of Lily's art.
Clip:
[1:00:30] But not. People you know know, but you yourself know not. Crashing down, all frown, hurting, walking, silently screaming, slowly running, often feeling nothing. Seeing the lucky ones fleeing, seeing the fleeing. Those trapped inside. Cry. Cry. It's okay. It's not okay. Smile. If it's natural, feel alive. The president speaks. The situation wreaks an act of war. I enter my room, close the door, sit here.
Sarah:
[1:00:58] The situation reeks. After, yeah, it does. After almost a quarter of a century, it is funny to look back. On this, and just remember the absolute pin drop cringe horror that greeted this performance, which was on Leno. She read this aloud: creaking, creaking. It's often blamed for ruining her career. I think what actually like she worked for another decade and then retired to do art stuff, okay, like visual art stuff. Seems content. Retired from acting over ten years ago. Raised her kid. Fine. But yeah, this is this is Bad poetry, and just a stunning moment where it was like, Oh, right, she's not actually that good, and she looks too much like Helen Hunt, but not as pretty. This is our chance to cancel her, and I think that's what happened. Pretty memorable moment that said, I'm still voting for my boy Beecher. Dave.
Dave:
[1:01:58] Can you go to tar first? Because I'm just right in the middle of something that will pay off in a bit.
Sarah:
[1:02:02] Sure.
Dave:
[1:02:03] Okay.
Sarah:
[1:02:03] Tara.
Tara:
[1:02:04] Yeah, I mean, that that moment was rough and it did not Make me think she was the superior lead to Turgosen in any way. I, even though I remember her as a teeny tiny teen in an episode of News Radio, and like all people from News Radio, I remember her fondly. For that, but she can't touch Turgeson. So, yeah, it's got to be Turgeson over Sobieski.
Sarah:
[1:02:29] Well, you're only voting for the poem. You're not even voting for her.
Tara:
[1:02:32] Sure.
Sarah:
[1:02:33] Just this moment on late night TV where she literally exploded.
Tara:
[1:02:37] Yeah, even even more even more strongly voting for Turgeson over that then.
Sarah:
[1:02:38] It's really something.
Tara:
[1:02:44] Dave.
Dave:
[1:02:44] All right. Listening to that poem in the moment, I was like This reminds me of something, and I couldn't figure it out. And I just figured it out. So I was scrambling in the 30 seconds of Tara's answer to capture the audio and get it ready. So here's again the start of the poem.
Clip:
[1:02:59] But not. People you know know, but you yourself know not. Crashing down, all frown, hurting, walking, silently screaming. Does he not know? He does not know. He knows not? Knows not, does he? Not? He knows? Enough! Fry, it is my duty to inform you that the fate of Don't you wish everything fit like Lee?
Dave:
[1:03:16] That was from Futurama.
Sarah:
[1:03:19] Oh, God.
Dave:
[1:03:20] Terrible, terrible. Excellent choice. Terrible entry.
Tara:
[1:03:24] Oof Yikes Uh-huh.
Dave:
[1:03:25] Oh my God. Why doesn't somebody in Lily Sobieski's life love her enough to drag her away? I know emotions were high. But still, this is the last thing you will do on TV, Leely.
Tara:
[1:03:35] Yeah, no, that that that can't be.
Dave:
[1:03:39] Think about it. Think about it. So, yeah, it got to be Turgen on this round.
Sarah:
[1:03:45] All right, Turgeson remains standing, our fourth opponent. Hoon Lee. Tara, please explain.
Tara:
[1:03:52] Hoonley is an actor. We most recently talked about him because he is the lawyer, I think, to John Hamm's character and your friends and neighbors, his friend and some kind of advisor, lawyer, I believe.
Dave:
[1:04:02] Oh, I think it's financial, wasn't he? Yeah.
Tara:
[1:04:06] He's in your friends and neighbors because it was created by Jonathan Tropper, who also cast him in Banshee and in Warrior, which is what I know him best from. He plays Mr. Chow. great fixer, the guy who's like got his fingers in every pie and is managing the whole system of what's going on in San Francisco in the Chinese-American community. Just a really cool character and very good actor. I'm always happy to see. So Hun Lee.
Dave:
[1:04:33] Yeah, he's got so much goodwill for me from Warrior. His character is Really great, yeah, and he's like at the center of all the factions, and he's playing them off each other and profiting at the same time. Sort of Al Swergini without the swerves.
Tara:
[1:04:46] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:04:47] Stuff, you know, it's not quite.
Tara:
[1:04:48] Yeah.
Dave:
[1:04:50] This guy's 52. He's a year younger than I would have guessed he was in his 40s, like mid-40s I will say, I'm looking at his Google results page. This guy needs to keep his facial hair. When he doesn't have facial hair, he's like a seven.
Tara:
[1:05:02] Hmm.
Dave:
[1:05:06] And when he has it, he's like a 9. 9. So, I mean, not to objectify the man, but.
Tara:
[1:05:12] You can objectify him a little bit.
Sarah:
[1:05:12] Well, it's a it's a risky takes.
Tara:
[1:05:13] He's foxy.
Sarah:
[1:05:15] It's an actor. All right, so I am going to stick on Turgusen. How votest thou, Tara?
Tara:
[1:05:24] I mean, I really love Hoon Lee, but it Turgeson is such a tough one to start with because he's so prolific.
Dave:
[1:05:31] Mm-hmm.
Tara:
[1:05:31] I I regret to say it, but I gotta go Turgeson on this over my my guy Hoon Lee.
Dave:
[1:05:37] I'm going with the smile on my face metric when it comes to this battle, and Hoon Lee definitely wins on that regard when I see him in a TV production.
Tara:
[1:05:42] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:05:48] So it doesn't matter, but I'm going Hoon Lee on this one.
Sarah:
[1:05:51] I you gotta vote your heart.
Tara:
[1:05:51] Way to follow your heart.
Dave:
[1:05:53] Yeah, you got it.
Sarah:
[1:05:53] And honestly, if it were a Thunderdome situation, I think Turgeson is maybe subsiding.
Dave:
[1:05:55] Oh, yeah.
Tara:
[1:05:59] Mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[1:05:59] Sooner, but but who can say? That Lee Lee poem could really knock a few people out. All right, Lee Turguson remains. We're at the halfway point, and a Lee Jeans ad has entered the chat.
Dave:
[1:06:12] Yeah.
Sarah:
[1:06:12] Dave, please explain.
Dave:
[1:06:13] All right. Well, first when I read this, I sort of my eyes glazed over and I thought we were just doing important TV Lees. We weren't actually doing this production with the King of the Mountain, and there was some sort of battle thing. So I don't really know how a commercial Really stacks up to this theoretical corporeal thing that we're dealing with. So let's just run with it. But this is an ad from the eighties that the jingle you will immediately remember, I think.
Clip:
[1:06:47] Lee, the brand that fits. Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton tonight at 1130.
Dave:
[1:06:55] So I just want to put it out there. Maybe Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton are part of this production somehow. They both have one leg in the same pair of Lee jeans. That's a scenario.
Sarah:
[1:07:07] Okay, I accept.
Tara:
[1:07:08] Islands in the gene Mhm.
Dave:
[1:07:09] That's right. Yes. You know where Kenny Rogers' roasters are? In that pair of Lee jeans.
Sarah:
[1:07:17] Because they fit. Yeah, I think it's just, you know, like king of TV things mountain from previously. tv. Like, whatever you want it to mean, that's how you vote.
Tara:
[1:07:25] Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[1:07:27] I A now regret not bringing another jingle. Everybody doesn't like something, but nobody doesn't like Sara Lee.
Dave:
[1:07:37] Julia Or before Regina had jeans.
Sarah:
[1:07:38] That was terrible. And I'm sorry for singing. Lee Jeans, that ad is enduring, iconic. And, you know, Kenny and Dolly, what else? What else can you say? Lee Turguson in a pair of Lee Jeans. Mm. Or out of them. But that's not what we're talking about. I'm not sure how I'm going to vote. Tara, talk it through.
Tara:
[1:07:57] I do like the jingle. I don't remember that ad. It might have been from before my time or before we had cable 'cause it's it is not it's not looming as large for me. Or before Regina had jeans.
Dave:
[1:08:12] Yeah, they're a corduroy town.
Sarah:
[1:08:15] Hmm Wrangler.
Tara:
[1:08:17] Strictly Wrangler, exactly. But I do enjoy the concept of introducing it to this exercise, but I still have to go Turgeson.
Dave:
[1:08:26] Yeah.
Tara:
[1:08:26] I think his he casts a longer shadow.
Dave:
[1:08:28] Yeah. Well, I always like to bring something stupid to these events, and the lead jeans was my first thought.
Tara:
[1:08:31] Of course. Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:08:34] So even though I put it there and do love the image of Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton sharing a pair of jeans, stumbling on set and f. Falling on their face. Yeah, I gotta go with Turgosin on this one.
Sarah:
[1:08:46] Well, I would have voted Lee Jeans, but it does not matter, the Turg endures.
Dave:
[1:08:48] Wow. The Turg Padergs.
Sarah:
[1:08:54] But now he's up against Lee Majors. This is another Dave entry.
Dave:
[1:08:56] Yeah.
Sarah:
[1:08:58] Dave, how do you see this going?
Dave:
[1:08:59] Yeah, Lee Majors, the six million dollar man, also the fall guy with Heather Thomas. He's got his pickup truck. He does stunts. They made that very mediocre movie update a couple of years ago with Ryan Gosling, America's favorite baby duck.
Tara:
[1:09:14] Mm-hmm. Maybe goose.
Dave:
[1:09:20] Baby goose.
Tara:
[1:09:21] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:09:25] I ran afoul of my bird types.
Tara:
[1:09:26] Go ahead and get a new one.
Dave:
[1:09:27] Lee Majors, action hero of the 70s, which is a weird thing to think about because when you picture him at his body type and you think action hero, it wouldn't fly today.
Tara:
[1:09:37] Mm-hmm. Mmm.
Dave:
[1:09:38] There's no way they could do it. He's sort of like, you know, he's, he's got what he uh like, you know, dad, dad bought, right?
Sarah:
[1:09:40] Yeah.
Tara:
[1:09:44] Yeah.
Dave:
[1:09:44] You know, he's kind of a chunky, non-contoured, non-sculpted sort of guy.
Sarah:
[1:09:45] Yeah.
Tara:
[1:09:45] Yes. It would be like Adam Pally being an action star in our in our day.
Dave:
[1:09:53] In the seventies, track suits did a lot to tell you that this person is athletic without actually having to prove it.
Tara:
[1:09:55] They did.
Sarah:
[1:10:01] This was also like the Roger Moore era of Bond, right?
Dave:
[1:10:05] Yah That's right Yeah.
Sarah:
[1:10:05] So I think people were kind of prepared, like emotionally for that look.
Dave:
[1:10:11] Two shows that I religiously watched as a child. Role-playing Six Million Dollar Man out in the woods with my friends was something that happened.
Sarah:
[1:10:18] Mhm.
Dave:
[1:10:20] And of course, all the things that you would do.
Sarah:
[1:10:23] Oh, yeah.
Dave:
[1:10:24] From a nostalgia perspective, I'm actually going to give this one to Lee Majors for myself.
Sarah:
[1:10:30] I think I will do the same, despite The fact that now his enduring his endurance as a like cultural reference is probably to do with the fact that he married Farah Fawcett, and she changed her name, and that is what future historians will sort of remember him more for, which is weird. I think he might have been the bigger star at that time.
Dave:
[1:10:55] Which was referenced in the theme song for Fall Guy, kind of.
Tara:
[1:10:55] Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.
Dave:
[1:10:59] Yeah.
Tara:
[1:10:59] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:11:00] He's kind of like there's this sly bit of the lyrics where it's like, here's the women I fucked in Hollywood because I'm a stud stunt man, and one of them is Farah Fawcett.
Sarah:
[1:11:09] Yeah, I think j for Gen X, this is probably closer in Lee Majors' favor than for anyone else. But yeah, I gotta go Lee Majors.
Dave:
[1:11:18] All right.
Tara:
[1:11:19] Yep, same. He's a TV icon.
Dave:
[1:11:20] Well, unexpected.
Tara:
[1:11:22] Someone had to topple the Turg, and it was Major Lee Majors.
Sarah:
[1:11:25] Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure how long he's going to keep his spot, though, because Although it's implied that Beecher gets like almost super PCP powers when he's drunk, so who knows?
Dave:
[1:11:30] But before we get off, Turgenson Theoretical, who would win in a fight?
Tara:
[1:11:33] Yeah, yeah.
Dave:
[1:11:35] The Turg or a Klingon Targ from Star Trek?
Tara:
[1:11:39] Targ.
Dave:
[1:11:39] And they're basically warthogs.
Tara:
[1:11:41] Yeah, Targ.
Dave:
[1:11:42] Okay, Tark. I agree, Tark. Okay, Tark. Good. Good. Some for those structure added to hold a little SOBs. Yeah. And by SOBs, I mean Star Trek officers are best.
Sarah:
[1:12:00] They're not listening to this, Dave. You can just call them whatever you want.
Dave:
[1:12:02] Okay. All right.
Sarah:
[1:12:05] All right, focus people. Lee Majors versus Greta Lee.
Tara:
[1:12:10] There it is.
Dave:
[1:12:10] Oh, boy.
Sarah:
[1:12:11] Greta Lee being awesome is the entire reason that we're doing this exercise. I still drink from my sweet birthday baby mug. Every week she was the best thing about Chance, which only I watched, and she is kind of why. I mean, her and Dorrit from the Gary Diaries, but that is like a real, that's some real niche. Narrow casting right there. She's often the best thing about anything that she's in. She's kind of why I'm hanging in with the morning show, to be honest. Her charisma is that kind of like, she would be a fun hang, but also you're pretty sure that she could kill you and wouldn't hesitate. To kill you. This isn't a Thunderdome situation, but I just feel that that's relevant. She is a very good actor, very charismatic. I. Love her, and I think that she should best lead majors easily, but I'm not sure what everybody else is going to do. Dave.
Dave:
[1:13:12] If this was 20 years ago, Greta Lee is the type of ascendant talent that would be getting a million dollars to do some ad where she's dancing in gap jeans.
Tara:
[1:13:24] Instead, it's today and she's, I think, the new face of Dior.
Dave:
[1:13:27] Right, exactly.
Sarah:
[1:13:28] Yeah, that's a shame.
Tara:
[1:13:28] So Mhm.
Dave:
[1:13:30] But she would be plastered in front of your eyeballs 24-7 because you'd be in so many gap ads, you know what I mean?
Sarah:
[1:13:31] Just kidding. Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:13:36] And that was like sort of the Symbiotic relationship between corporations and actors back in the day when we still had the monoculture. So I mean, I can't vote against Greta Lee. I think she's the obvious winner here as far as Curating, you know, the fact that she is still moving up in the world now, and she is popular at the moment, and probably will be more so next year. She picks good projects. She is somebody that people want, even if it's just going to be a cameo in something. You know, like she's got that kind of juice. So I am in, you know, Lee Majors. Yeah, I don't know. He might be dead. I haven't looked out in New York and I'm in a bit.
Sarah:
[1:14:12] He's been dead, I think.
Tara:
[1:14:14] No, he's alive.
Sarah:
[1:14:14] Did she get an Oscar nomination a couple of years ago?
Dave:
[1:14:14] No, yeah.
Tara:
[1:14:16] No.
Dave:
[1:14:17] Well, Lee Majors had a cameo at the end of Fall Guy, the movie, so I assume he's still alive.
Tara:
[1:14:20] Yes.
Sarah:
[1:14:22] Oh. Oh, you know who's been dead is Fair Fawcett. That's right.
Tara:
[1:14:26] She's been dead. She died the same day as Michael Jackson.
Dave:
[1:14:28] How old is Lee Majors?
Tara:
[1:14:28] Remember that? Well, I looked him up.
Dave:
[1:14:30] Closest to how old is Lee Majors, Sarah?
Tara:
[1:14:32] Sorry.
Sarah:
[1:14:33] How old is Lee Major's closest to the pin?
Dave:
[1:14:36] Well, it's just you.
Tara:
[1:14:37] It's just you, because I looked him up already.
Dave:
[1:14:38] But we could still play closest to the pin. You'll probably win. Klose.
Tara:
[1:14:42] Close.
Dave:
[1:14:42] 86. 86 years old.
Tara:
[1:14:45] Yep.
Dave:
[1:14:45] We miss him because we don't see him that much anymore.
Tara:
[1:14:50] Let me make this official, of course, Greta Lee. All the stuff you already said, plus homeless Heidi from high maintenance. Super funny. That whole season when they introduced her and she was wearing like weird combinations of like office wear and athleisure that only she could possibly pull off. Like, I still remember it. It's still a. style icon for the ages, even though it's a category of one person who could do it and it's her. And yeah, I did confirm also she is a brand ambassador for Dior as of The fall-winter 2026 season. So pretty glam. Greta Lee 42.
Dave:
[1:15:28] Closest to the pin. How old is Greta Lee? Sarah.
Sarah:
[1:15:33] Forty-four Good job, Dara.
Dave:
[1:15:34] 42. Tara was right.
Tara:
[1:15:35] Whoa!
Dave:
[1:15:37] I'm looking forward to what I assume is going to be a match either next or the one after, because I think we basically have Greta Lee and Greta Lee's Male counterpart coming up as a match. Okay.
Sarah:
[1:15:49] That's correct. We do Greta Lee versus Lee Pace. Tara brought Lee Pace to this fight. Let's see.
Tara:
[1:15:56] Oh man.
Sarah:
[1:15:57] Tara. Yeah.
Tara:
[1:15:58] This is going to be brutal. So Lee Pace first became known to us as the star of Pushing Daisies, a bad yet buzzy show that people still remember.
Sarah:
[1:16:07] Mm-hmm.
Tara:
[1:16:07] And then he was Joe in Halt and Catch Fire, super foxy, just absolutely magnetic, charisma bomb on a show that was still, I would say, not enough watched.
Sarah:
[1:16:11] Mm-hmm.
Tara:
[1:16:20] And now apparently he's on Foundation and the only thing I know about it is that he's shirtless a ton and every single still from that show that he's in makes me horny.
Dave:
[1:16:28] Really? Isn't that like an Asimbov adaptation?
Tara:
[1:16:31] Yeah, it's not enough to make me want to watch that show, but I'm happy he's still out here being hot as hell.
Dave:
[1:16:37] I mean, I'm sure that's something they put in for the TV version, but I am sort of tickled by the thought of Asimoth writing shirtless scenes for his hero character.
Sarah:
[1:16:38] Yeah.
Dave:
[1:16:46] I don't know if he's a hero.
Tara:
[1:16:47] Would they have done that if it was Adam Pally? Probably not. But if you've got Lee Pace, take his fucking shirt off.
Dave:
[1:16:53] Sure, sir.
Tara:
[1:16:53] Nothing against Adam Pally. He can take his shirt off too. He's hot in his way as well, but not like Lee Pace.
Dave:
[1:16:59] Yeah, in Halton Catch Fire, he played like the Steve Jobs-esque character, and he did a really good job.
Tara:
[1:17:04] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:17:05] He was a real asshole on that show.
Tara:
[1:17:05] Yep. Yep.
Dave:
[1:17:07] So it's hard to like him for that. You know what I mean?
Tara:
[1:17:09] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:17:09] Because he just did such a good job. You're like, oh, that guy. Lee Pace is definitely exactly like Steve Jobs in every way.
Tara:
[1:17:13] M Yeah.
Dave:
[1:17:17] But he was really great in that. Yeah, tough, tough call.
Tara:
[1:17:19] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:17:19] Sarah, what are you thinking there?
Sarah:
[1:17:21] I mean, I think that they're both equally talented.
Tara:
[1:17:23] Mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[1:17:25] I think that they're both equally sort of Good at picking projects that are prestigious without being annoying. I think they elevate things that they're in. It's gonna probably come down to which one of them I would rather do it with, capital D.
Tara:
[1:17:43] Hmm, interesting.
Sarah:
[1:17:45] And I don't know the answer to that.
Tara:
[1:17:48] I know that's the problem.
Sarah:
[1:17:51] I mean, you know, Kinsey scale wise, it should be Lee Pace. And yet, and yet.
Tara:
[1:17:56] And yet mm-hmm.
Sarah:
[1:17:58] All right, let's someone's got to go first. Dave? Which Lee?
Dave:
[1:18:02] Um no, I I yeah okay, I was gonna say greatly too.
Sarah:
[1:18:04] I'll go first. Greta Lee.
Dave:
[1:18:08] So, all right, fine. Steal my thunder.
Tara:
[1:18:10] Yeah, I'll say Grannalee as well, but I'm just going to put this out in the universe. Let's have them both in something together where they make out.
Dave:
[1:18:18] Sure, but here's something else for you. Why don't we before and after this and promote Greta Lee Pace to the finals?
Sarah:
[1:18:26] Yes.
Tara:
[1:18:26] Greta Lee Pace, the DC sniper.
Dave:
[1:18:29] Yeah. So another three-word name for Sarah to get confused about. Gradley, Pace, and I think that.
Sarah:
[1:18:33] Oh my god. Oh, Tubbs. Yeah, sure.
Dave:
[1:18:36] Yeah, Tubbs.
Sarah:
[1:18:37] All right. Well, this is really pretty pointless, I have a feeling.
Dave:
[1:18:40] Yeah.
Sarah:
[1:18:41] But Greta Lee versus Leodama, Husky Boy.
Tara:
[1:18:41] Probably.
Dave:
[1:18:43] Taba ski play.
Sarah:
[1:18:44] Dave. Go through the motions for us.
Dave:
[1:18:46] Yeah. Alright, Battlesark Galactica in between season 2 and 3, I think. The colonists who are looking for Earth. They find a planet. I think it was like inside of a nebula that like jammed communication signals so that the Cylons, who are always, you know, right behind. Tracking them, chasing them, they can't see, you know, whatever, signatures of, you know, they're playing their Game Boys or whatever. And then the Sidelines do find them, and there's been a year of occupation, and the battle stars, and there's two of them at this point, they sort of like. Hightail it out of there while they can. There's like this whole year where they're sort of not doing much and planning some sort of rescue. And Leodama's having a lot of trouble with this lifestyle and the fact that everybody else is suffering under the Cylon thumb, and he's not, and he eats his feelings. So the first time we see him at the start of, I think, season three, he's put on 100 pounds. It's not played for comedy. It's just like supposed to be a character note. And the way he carries himself really just like sells the whole moment. He's like, everything's gone wrong. I let myself go. I hate this. And his dad's making fun, not making fun of him, but like needling him for getting soft. And then they pull off this big rescue on the Cylon-occupied planet. And then he loses 100 pounds in about three days, it seems like, when you're watching the show. So. You know, he just really just needed to feel good about himself again, and the pounds literally melted off him. So we could have done just Lee Adama, son of Admiral Adama, in the show, but no, it had to be Husky Boy Edition. For being a notable character moment for this guy pushing.
Tara:
[1:20:35] Uh-huh.
Sarah:
[1:20:37] So the the cushion provided some extra plot push in Would you sit?
Dave:
[1:20:42] Yep. Mm-hmm. Yep.
Tara:
[1:20:44] Bye.
Sarah:
[1:20:45] No, no, yeah, no one would say that. Don't get up. I'll fire myself. But before I do, I will say this is a tough, it's tough to come at the bottom of this list and have to face.
Dave:
[1:20:55] Yeah.
Sarah:
[1:20:55] Greta Lee, but this is the life that he has chosen.
Dave:
[1:20:58] Okay, but wait, wait, wait, wait.
Sarah:
[1:20:58] And so if we Still Gretalie.
Dave:
[1:21:00] Before you vote, theoretical situation. Greta Lee also gained a hundred pounds because something was worrying her in her life.
Tara:
[1:21:08] Mm.
Dave:
[1:21:09] Oh, yeah, it's still pretty good, yeah.
Tara:
[1:21:09] Still hot.
Sarah:
[1:21:11] Yeah.
Tara:
[1:21:11] Yep.
Sarah:
[1:21:12] Mhm. Yeah. Tara.
Tara:
[1:21:15] Yeah, I mean, it's it's fun to put in a to do a goofy one, but yes, if if we're talking about who's had the more impact on the medium of television, it is Our girl, Greta Lee. We didn't even mention the studio yet, I don't think.
Dave:
[1:21:31] No.
Tara:
[1:21:31] She's in that too.
Dave:
[1:21:31] Yeah. In the winner, in the cannon one.
Sarah:
[1:21:33] Oh, yeah, shit.
Tara:
[1:21:34] Mm-hmm.
Dave:
[1:21:34] Mhm.
Sarah:
[1:21:35] I mean, it was a long list.
Tara:
[1:21:35] So It was a very long list. Yeah, she's she's great. Lee, Lee is also great, big or small. We love him.
Sarah:
[1:21:44] Mm-hmm.
Tara:
[1:21:45] We miss him.
Dave:
[1:21:45] We love him no matter what stamp we choose.
Tara:
[1:21:49] But but I gotta go, Greta Lee.
Dave:
[1:21:52] All right. So, yeah, Greta will leave for this one too.
Sarah:
[1:21:55] All right. Well, folks, we have a queen of T V Lee Mountain, and it is, unsurprisingly, I suppose credit Lee. But I'd like to thank Kenny, Dolly and the Lee Jeans Corporation for their input and the Oswald Correctional Facility as well.
Dave:
[1:22:17] Well, guys, that is it for this episode of Extra, Extra Hot Great. We went on patrol with the new force before answering your burning ask EHG questions like: What does your Vegas TV restaurant look like and what recent movies have graduated to Poppyfield movies? We checked out the Beastie Boys on Tara's tiny musical performance Canon. From David Letterman, we celebrated those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week and wrapped it all up with the King of the TV Lee Mountain. Next up, it's Monster the Ed Geen story. Yeah, I got it right. Remember.
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[1:22:57] We're listening.
Dave:
[1:23:00] I am David T. Cole and on behalf of Tara Ariano and Sarah Lee Bunting.
Tara:
[1:23:04] Like Lord and Greene, you know I get paid.
Sarah:
[1:23:10] I am a situation reeking, reeking.
Dave:
[1:23:15] Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time right here on Extra, Extra. Great.
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[1:23:26] Burnt toast. Dr. Penfield, I can smell burnt toast. Oh no. This is Extra Hot Great Minis. Today's topic is so wow, that's too loud. Alright, I'm going to start that over. Keep rolling. Oh no. This is Extra Hot Great Minis. Today's topic is Saturday Night Liver. Oh, I see. This topic is from our Friend and frequent guest, Eve Beatty. Is it an extra credit? Okay, who says you're throwing a six-guest dinner party and can Only invite SNL cast members, any era, living or dead. Who do you invite and what do you serve? Let's start with Sarah because this is her favorite show. It sure is. I will invite only weekend update guys: Dennis Miller, Colin Quinn, Norm McDonald, Kevin Nealon, Seth Meyers, and The Restless Ghost. of Charles fucking Rockwood. I'm kind of surprised. I will beat up some lean pockets and they will serve the tea about Chevy Chase, who is not invited because he sucks. Who shall go next? Sorry, Joe. So I tried very, very hard to not have mine be just five or six women because that's so stereotypical of me. And yet. It's going to be six women. Apologies to Will Forte and Bill Hayter and Seth Myers, who I really like. I was tempted. To do five women and then just like throw Victoria Jackson in there just to like drive everyone crazy or have them all like Carve her up and serve her for the main course. We'll see. And also, like, God knows I love doing Garofilo, but, like, nobody needs to. watch her on spool over the course of dinner, dessert, and whatever, after dinner, mints. So I figured that, right? So Living or Dead seems to just like require Gilda Radner and like that's good enough for me. Anything to sort of get her back in interacting with women of different comedy eras. Amy Poehler is fantastic. Sarah Silverman, you could take advantage of the fact that she was on just for like one little blessed season, and I feel like she'd be a fun conversationalist. Casey Wilson, who. I am loving the shit out of her Real Housewives podcast, bitch sesh. It's so good. She is one of those, like, most improved off-of-SNL people. Julia Sweeney, who I find so underrated and has been a very good podcast guest that I've Listened to on other shows. And finally, Leslie Jones, just to really shake shit up. She would have been the best one to have with Victoria Jackson because I feel like she would have given her about like 30 seconds worth. Of Leeway, and then it would have been done. Yeah. Like the Ed Coulter moment in that New Yorker profile of her. Yes. All right. Dave. All right. So it's a little bit of a deep cut, and it's not technically a cast member. But I'm throwing GE Smith and five of his band members from that era. Do you remember that guy? Yeah. He was so fucking full of himself every he's like, oh yeah, I've hit, I'm in the limelight, I've hit the big time, so like he was just like such a. That era hipster doofus kind of guy before that, you know, that phrase existed. And he seemed super full of himself. And so we're going to get him and five of his guys, and we're going to come feed him fugu. See what happens. Jeff. Well, I would go with John Belushi, Gilda Radner, Phil Hartman. Charles Rocket, Denitra Vance, and Jan Hooks. They are, of course, all dead, so I would not have to feed them anything. Is that it? No, I haven't got anything. Mine are, I also had Phil Hartman, not for such cruel reasons, Jeff. Hey, that's just physically. No, it is. He's right. He's right. That's just good business. And with him, I had. Kate McKinnon, who I think is hilarious. Jenny Slate, one of my favorites. I would just talk about obvious child whole night. Will Forte, beloved from Clone High and onward. Michaela Watkins gets me in with the Wet Hot American Summer Crowd. And finally, Robert Downey Jr. , who was only on the show for a hot second. Because if I didn't, my sister would be furious at me because he is on her laminated list. I have a second proposal. I can't fill out six slots without some research. But on Jeff's tip of saving yourself money, what if you just vited characters who played chefs on the show? So you got like Dan Aykroyd as Julia Childs, you got Jim Belushi as the cheeseburger guy. John. John Delucci, thank you. Yeah, Phil Hartman is the animal attendo chef. I think he did. Yeah. And you get them all so they can cook their own meal. Sure. There you go. Here we go.