Taking Aim At The Day Of The Jackal

Tara: [0:00] All right uh we're doing jackal for our size then jackal jackal i liked it do. Tara: [0:08] You just make a cat noise yes i'm all rattled i don't know my animals. Sarah: [0:22] This episode of extra extra great is brought to you by bezoar laura's 15 seconds of fame Can you believe it's that time of year again? Coming up on November 20th is Flattened Romano Day. Be sure to reserve your helicopter in Ambulance Bay before it's too late. Just listen to how excited Dr. Romano is. Have yourself a happy Flattened Romano Day. Sarah: [0:52] Don't turn around. Dave: [1:05] This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 326 for the November 16th, 2024 weekend. I am superlative remuneration David T. Cole, and I'm here with sacrificial Ben's Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:26] Nine! Dave: [1:29] And 2024 Cyber Cafe patron, Art Ariano. Tara: [1:33] Not doing anything untoward. Dave: [1:41] Hello. Why don't I do some little bits of follow-up? I don't know where else on the show to do it, so we're going to do it right here. Item number one from Andy, who noticed a game time error in our last game time about one season and no movie wonders. and that is that Andy Controls the Universe was in that mix and it had two seasons. So nobody wins. Everything's reversed. The other bit is Seth had a 15 seconds of fame request from a little while ago, but I'm putting it in here because it was simply that we missed, I missed, the by Menon for disclaimer when we talked about it. We regret the oversight. And then finally... Claire put on our Patreon that the two most infectious things in a hospital following up from St. Dennis Medical Conversation are actually the computer keyboards and the stethoscopes, according to studies. So just in case it ever comes up in the quiz, Claire has given you the info. And that's it for my follow-up segment. We followed up. Sarah: [2:44] Alcohol Star Wipe 2. Tara: [2:48] Welcome, patrons. We're thrilled you're here, especially all the new members that we collected this week. We are going to now tell all of you about the Day of the Jackal. Dave: [2:59] Caw-caw! Tara: [3:00] 2024. Some of the... There's a callback to something that happened. Off mic! Some of the time, the character played by Eddie Redmayne in the Day of the Jackal is a nameless assassin with incredibly good aim and a facility for physical transformation. Other times, he's Charles, a businessman living with his wife, Nuria, Ursula Corbero, in Cadiz, Spain, raising their son, Carlito, and strictly enforcing rules against anyone in her family photographing him. His successful assassination of a far-right German candidate for chancellor draws the attention of MI6 weapons expert, Bianca, Lashana Lynch. But as she follows a lead to the ex-IRA armorer, she thinks built his rifle, complications arise. It's based on Frederick Forsyth's novel, which has already been adapted as a movie in 1973 and 1997. The series was created by Ronan Bennett, whose previous TV work includes the Netflix series Top Boy and the HBO miniseries Gunpowder. The first five episodes dropped on Peacock November 14th, with five more coming one at a time on Thursdays. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch The Day of the Jackal? Sarah: [4:13] To my surprise, yes. I thought I was going to be kind of take it or leave it about this, but I think I'll take it. Tara: [4:20] I'm surprised you're surprised because it was down to this or cross, and this was your preference. So that's why we're not watching a dumb guy show this week. Sarah: [4:29] From what I'm reading, that was the right call that I made A, months ago, and B, cluelessly. But anyway, Dave, should they watch it? Dave: [4:38] I think this is a show you should watch, and I have conditions, which we can talk about after. Tara: [4:45] Oh, okay. Dave: [4:45] Well, just suggestions, really, not conditions. I can't tell you how to watch TV. I can only suggest it. Tara: [4:52] I'm going to say yes as well. We watched the first few, and we're very taken by it, so yes for me as well. Let's go straight to Dave. What are your conditions, Dave? Dave: [5:02] Well, I would say that I can already tell that the show is padded. It's stylish enough to feel like it gets away with it. So I feel like that combination of, okay, there's this 10 episode series and you know, the basic story is an adaptation of a movie. So, you know, it's possible in two hours, but the show does enough with the settings. It's sort of tourism board for Europe's attributes and that it overcomes that. So I think that combination sort of puts it in the lazy Saturday afternoon hit series block. You know, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's just best consumed in a period of low expectations. Tara: [5:44] Yeah, I think that's fair. In the first episode, Charles, call him Matt or call him Jackal. He's credited as the Jackal on IMDb, which is very funny. He pulls off a seemingly impossible headshot in that episode. We know it's contrived. Why is it still so satisfying to see him do it? Because it really is. Sarah? Sarah: [6:05] Well, this show understands the use of processiness, and it does it perfectly. Like, here's the enjoyable thing about it to me. First of all, this is nothing that you haven't seen done before that you haven't enjoyed on, like, Alias or whatever spy movies. Like, you've seen it done before, but it is still extremely pleasurable to watch. or if this is the kind of thing you like to read, this is like spy novels that you would read on the plane in visual format. It is very processy. And when it is explicating things that its character should actually know without having to say them out loud, it's pretty good about that. The other thing is that Eddie Redmayne is perfectly cast because when he's in a spot, you can see him thinking, and you know what he's thinking about and trying to do. And that is also process-y, just in a different way. So it's very, I mean, it's nothing like that fancy. It does look expensive, but it's not that fancy. It's just quite satisfying and does exactly what it sets out to do very competently. Sarah: [7:23] I mean, it's kind of ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-she in that way that it's like, this is something that done well is really compelling and a nice use of your entertainment time. Sarah: [7:36] And if you think gingers are foxy, this is also good for you. Not for everybody. Tara: [7:42] This is kind of like a smart dumb guy show. It's like in the spirit of Jack Ryan or something like that. But it's like the European locations definitely make it, give it a patina of fanciness that those other ones don't have, I guess. Eddie Redmayne is one of our most willowy stars also is Sniper probably the only kind of action protagonist he could play. Dave: [8:04] That we would ever believe. Tara: [8:05] He's not busting heads. Dave: [8:06] He's just shooting them damn world's thinnest and therefore most ingressiest, frogman I think is the only other one I could see there's only one way into the submarine that's through the torpedo tube we need Redmayne, and he comes in he's just like a little noodle going through the pool he's training at Mm-hmm. It was a fully-fledged miniseries just for you guys out there. You're welcome. Tara: [8:31] I'll say, I hope he got to keep his suits because the one that he wears, especially when he comes home to his beautiful house in Spain in the first episode, looks like it was built on him. It's so sharp. I initially missed it. Dave was right to alert me to the moment when Ocita, who is Bianca's boss at MI6, says that Charles' scheme to get Manfred, the candidate, to the hospital where Charles kills him would require a lot of pre-planning. And she says, all planning is pre. And I love that moment. I'm so glad you made me back it up because, yes, we love a pedantic queen. It's the kind of character detail that's important to include. Once again, I'll also say a British crime drama is better at painting ambiguity than American ones are usually. Bianca is the closest thing we get to a good guy, and she's basically the cause of several innocent people's deaths and doesn't seem to experience any qualms about it. Sarah, were you struck by this aspect of the show as well? Sarah: [9:31] Um, yeah, I was. I do think that dramas from overseas are a little better at just letting you decide who to quote root for or to accept that sometimes there is no one to root for and you're just rooting for the story to be good, which is true here, but that it doesn't need to underline that for you. Like, everyone is compromised, and I think maybe…, Other countries' cop and spy shows are a little more grown up and mature about that than ones in the States. I'm sure you could find other examples to prove me wrong. I'm wondering if you also reacted poorly to the fact that they gave Bianca the feeling like making promises she can't keep to her family on the home life side. Do we actually have to do this work-life balance thing again? Please stop. with that. Dave: [10:28] Agreed. Sarah: [10:28] Just me? Dave: [10:29] No. You know, it's a trope at this point, you know, so you just see it and you kind of shut down for that part of the show sometimes. And that's what I mean by padding. Like, either you're going to have a tight sniper assassination story or you're going to have to, you know, add some family drama here and there and some politics at work maybe don't really have much of an effect on the total flavor of the show. These are the B-plots that you get to deal with when you turn something into a 10-episode show that really didn't need that many hours to tell its story. So I'm not surprised. And yeah, I could lose the both of those easily and be the better show for it. And then there's like his Spanish wife discovering the Winchester house of it all at his place when she starts to have doubts about what he actually does for a living. And then it's suddenly, you know, smashing walls and trying to find the secret, secret safe inside of the secret safe, et cetera, et cetera. So there's a lot of that. So like there is a little bit of waiting sometime between the juicy bits that are really well done. Sarah: [11:27] Yeah i'm sort of hoping that we get a payoff with bianca's family soon kind of analogous to the one with his wife's family because that sort of like the look at them like all peering in through the secret like phantom closet door and just having totally gossipy nosy looks on their faces like is this not everyone's semi dream to be like i always knew there was something about that guy and look wigs like i don't know i found that really that was the most i liked her yeah and her family the whole time is when they were like fuck it let's break in see what he says like i thought that was great so i don't know it's it's making mostly good choices and i like that about it. Tara: [12:14] I mean i think the slight difference with bianca in the the tropiness of that is she is also a spy. So presumably neither her child, definitely not her child because her child's like, who's Sparrow? But also who, you know, or whatever the name was, who's Nadine? Sarah: [12:31] Sparrow. Yeah. Tara: [12:32] Well, Sparrow is her nickname for her contact. Nadine is the name she gave to the contact. Sarah: [12:38] Oh, right. Got it. Tara: [12:39] But it's also possible her husband doesn't know what she really does either. And so that part of it is potentially interesting because it sort of signals that possibly it's going to somewhere where she gets discovered by her family. And that's going to be a problem. Dave: [12:53] I get that. But like part of the issue is these like sort of kind of slightly otherworldly located spy thrillers, they sort of exist at a level of almost like a superhero film, you know, where there are forces you cannot imagine battling, you know, the daily fight of good and evil. And here they are. Everything below that kind of exists in the world, but we don't talk about it because that's like I feel like we're there. Like, yeah, with these kind of shows and now it's introducing that sort of bottom layer. And I feel like that takes me in and out of the vibe that they've established with the Eddie Redmayne's character is going to shoot some people. Jackal's here, he's going to put some bullets and heads or he's going to like do his trade craft, stage craft stuff and all that. Like it feels like it's tugging it back lower every time they go into these these other like little stories. Yeah. Tara: [13:44] But I will say, like, Charles is, you know, he's not living by heat rules. The whole don't let yourself get attached to anything you're not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel heat around the corner. So I'm so curious to know if he's, like, gonna spend the train ride home from Munich, because we know he knows, they know, coming up with his cover story, or if he's just gonna come home and be like, well, I'm gonna kill all of you, including my wife. And if they did that, it would be so cool. Sarah: [14:15] Yeah. This is always the thing, though. Just when a property like this is... sort of lets you feel like, okay, they're going to do the sort of cold-blooded, better for the story thing. Tara: [14:29] Yes. Sarah: [14:30] Like, Killing Eve started out really strong in this way, because if I recall correctly, like, her husband, like, part of what was cool was that a lot of what she did was not that interesting, and they were, like, all hungover half the time. Tara: [14:43] Yeah. Sarah: [14:43] But then the other part of it was, like, that her husband just totally knew what was up. And I sort of wish that they would do that turn with it. I think I might have watched a little further than you guys, but not much. So it's kind of like, all right, is the turn going to be that she's like, we want in. And then it just becomes like, it's a family affair. And then like the mother-in-law becomes a spy. Like I would watch the hell out of that. And then like season two is a sitcom. Yeah. At home with the Charleses. I mean, okay. Tara: [15:15] Right. I mean, he's not a spy, though. He's a bad guy. He's the sniper. So, I mean, I don't know how that would work unless she's doing the books. But at least once she figures out what his deal is, she can tell him, like, quit pretending you don't know Spanish. I know you do. Because that was a funny character note where he's like. Sarah: [15:37] I'm just... Or just, like, working on fake IDs for him. I don't know. Tara: [15:41] Yeah. Sarah: [15:42] Dusting the wig forms. Why not? Tara: [15:44] Keeping that giant headed baby from just falling down the stairs all the time because you know he wants to that thing has its own gravitational pull anyway yeah this is you know it's it's a very different take on a kind of cat and mouse story than you know slow horses which i think is more it's the opposite of what dave is saying like it's very this is the real world and we're only dealing with teeny tiny cases that have tiny implications that are small yet big whereas this This is like, this is on a totally other scale, but also fun. Dave: [16:29] You know what else excuse me it's fun it's this theme and that burp to ask ea g, all right let's go to last week's ask ask esg question our judge is judging me tara you're a judge this week. Tara: [16:56] Hello our question came from nes excite mike that question is as follows what is your jeopardy contestant interview anecdote nes excite might in fact has a good answer from his time being on the show so i'm going to recommend everyone go to that thread on discord and read it there's even a link to the mirror which reported on it before i get to the. Tara: [17:23] Anecdotes these are laura spoke for multiple people in the thread by saying i refuse to answer the question on principle because i am not a crackpot jeopardy needs to get rid of the contestant anecdote bit as do all game shows no one gives a shit take this time away because half the time you don't finish all the questions in each round anyway i don't need to hear about the time you mistook the moon for the sun get to the fucking questions we came for yes no fair, I believe the Great American Pop Culture Quiz Show did away with contestant anecdotes pretty quick. However, that said, the answers from people who bravely posted them even after that blistering comment from Bezoar Laura. Leslie wrote, when I tried out for College Jeopardy in the early 90s, it was a written quiz. And then if you pass the quiz, you played a game with the other people. When they collected the quizzes to grade them, the surprise was that Alex Trebek came out to speak with us. His advice was that if you didn't pass the quiz, you should tell everyone that you failed the quiz by only one question, which is why to this day I've been lying to my family because Alex Trebek said I should. Love that. Tara: [18:31] Paul Chilliman wrote, My Jeopardy anecdote, which I've had queued up since I've tried out for the show a couple of times, is that I lived in the Playboy Mansion for a year. Hefner donated it to my art school when he moved their operations to L.A. in the 80s, and not knowing what to do with it, they turned it into a freshman dorm. Crazy. Wow. Very good story. But our winner this week is Tamara rhymes with camera. When I was 21, Jack Black gave me Ebola. Okay, not really. What actually happened was I met him and we shook hands and he told me he gave me Ebola. So Tamara rhymes with camera. DM Dave, get your sticker. Congratulations. You are a superstar for one week. Dave: [19:15] So he shakes her hand and says, you got Ebola? and this big Jack Black zinger? Tara: [19:20] Yes. Dave: [19:23] That's. Sarah: [19:23] Actually a really good winner because you have the nugget that he would lead with that the host would lead with and then it's like well not really here's what happened it's the perfect length and then you go to the next person well done. Dave: [19:35] All right dm me on discord uh i'm a few weeks behind nobody's dm me on discord for the past couple weeks of winners so that's the only way you get your sticker is if you let me know you want it so if you don't want it fine let's get off my back lady. All right. Let's get to your questions this week. It is Anne with an E up first. If you could turn any song to a three hour TV movie with multiple sequels starring the artists themselves, which song are you picking? So this is from our The Gambler Returns discussion. So if you have something in that vein, I believe is what she is talking about. But follow your bliss, Tara. Tara: [20:12] I'm going to go with Lady Gaga's Paparazzi. It is practically a story song already. It has the potential to roll through different phases of the narrator's career in a kind of high camp star is born situation. Plus, you know, post-folio, I think Lady Gaga needs a win. I think the closer she sticks to her own vision, the better it is for everybody. So that's my pick. Sarah. Sarah: [20:37] Escape, the Pina Colada song by Rupert Holmes. He also writes books and has Tony awards thanks to the mystery of edwin drood show so maybe he's not starring in it but he could adapt it make it a musical star in the first one and then he can cast adam scott as his son and scott can take over for the sequels if need be since holmes is nearly 80 years old, Dave. Dave: [21:04] So the last time we did this question, I did this big pitch for a show based on the Johnny Cass billiards epic song, the Baron only to find out they actually fucking did it in the seventies with Johnny cash, but not as a TV movie, not as a series. So I'm not making that mistake again. So what I settled on is a traveling frontier doctor for maximum gambler vibes on a show called Dr. feel good? Because I think a Motley Crue song in that context would be pretty funny every week. Alright, next question from Meredith. I just found out that Tara's birthday is shared with my nephews. It reminded me of Thanksgiving 2007 when my sister couldn't travel being so close to her due date. I stayed with her and made mac and cheese, the only thing I know how to cook for us and my brother-in-law. So, tell me about a holiday that was unusual but turned out to be special and memorable. Sarah. Sarah: [22:00] First of all, mac and cheese giving sounds amazing, and we should try to make it a thing. Mine is 4th of July, 2013. That was pretty fun. It was the night before I got married. My wedding was at my house. It will not surprise you to hear, ergo, that everything else about it was pretty, like, not bare bones, but like, we just each had our brothers as our witnesses, so that's what you're dealing with. One of my old friends was kind of bummed that I didn't have an extended wedding party. So she tapped in the night before to put together the little kits everyone had at their seats, which was like a teeny little lighter and a sparkler that people could light when the vows were complete. So we ate shitty Chinese food and drank shitty beer and told shitty jokes and did an assembly line of these little sparkler kits while Dan was making chalk art. And that is kind of the point of a wedding party, I feel, in this day and age, is that you, like, get to hang out more and tell funny stories about each other. So that was pretty fun. And the wedding actually ruled as well, obviously. Dave? Dave: [23:02] At the last bit of that, I got, my brain got scrambled. I thought we were still answering the three-hour TV movie gambler question. I was like, when the fuck are you going to get to whatever the hell the point of the story is? Jesus Christ. Oops, I'm an idiot. I don't really have like a hallmark answer for this, but there was two years in a row when I was a kid where I woke up on Christmas with like an absolutely pillow-destroying nosebleed overnight. Like my mom came in and audibly gasped and screamed because she thought somebody snuck into the house at night and shot me in the head. Sarah: [23:37] You got jackaled? Yeah. Dave: [23:40] Christmas jackaled. So those two years were pretty memorable holidays for me. Yes. The two years I might have been jackaled. Tara. Tara: [23:50] Mine is, in fact, the year after Meredith's nephew was born. That was the year we kept trying and failing to get back to Toronto for Christmas from New York. And finally just gave up and chilled by ourselves in New York, went to see two movies. That's the reason I know it was 2008 because we saw Valkyrie and The Wrestler on Christmas Day. Sarah: [24:12] Wow. Tara: [24:12] And Lazy Christmas was born. It became the standard. We generally just stay home now and it's kind of great. Dave: [24:19] Both The Valkyrie and The Wrestler are both dudes that drop bombs from the corner. Tara: [24:25] Yes. Two real dudes rock movies. Dave: [24:28] That's a good Ventiogram joke. I just made it on the fly. Give me a break. Okay. Tara: [24:31] That's good. Dave: [24:32] Dr. Calhoun has our next question. What's the worst streaming service? I'm first, but I propose we do three, two, one, all answered together to see how this goes. All right. So have your network name ready. Here we go. Three, two, one. Two, one. Amazon Prime. Sarah: [24:46] Amazon Plus. Dave: [24:47] Oh my God. Come on, man. We rehearsed this. I suspected an Amazon suite. Sarah: [24:54] Here's what I actually wrote. Amazon Prime for straight villain vibes, but usability is Paramount Plus. Dave: [25:00] Oh, really? Tara: [25:01] Oh, no. I think Amazon Prime is way less usable. Dave: [25:04] The interface or like is Paramount Plus like dying on you and crashing or something like that? Like is the actual. Sarah: [25:11] Yes. Tara: [25:11] It does do that. Sarah: [25:12] All. Tara: [25:13] Yeah. Sarah: [25:13] It's always ass and like it's ass in a different like the cheek of the ass is different depending on which medium. It's like Apple TV, left cheek on my phone, right cheek on the computer. Crack a doodle do. Dave: [25:30] Can you only refer to technology in this metaphor from now on, please? Is it being blank? Sarah: [25:39] Yes. Dave: [25:40] All right. Sarah: [25:40] Yes, I can. Dave: [25:41] Well, it tastes a lot to beat Amazon Prime. So even if you got just one out of the three, not Amazon Prime, you're lucky Amazon Prime. Tara: [25:49] Well, I mean, I have more. There's so many streaming platforms that everyone has never heard of. And a partial list, and this doesn't even include like fringy political or biblical ones. there's one called DAZN that's for sports I think TVing no idea Fubo just sounds like a joke Nebula is a streaming platform for YouTube creators I think that's already YouTube but the reason I said AMC Plus is I think it's the most mainstream one where you get the least value for the price particularly now that so many of it's like premium shows are on Netflix anyway like what are you paying AMC Plus for I wonder there. Sarah: [26:29] Mm-hmm. Dave: [26:31] Jovial Jen, Jovial Jen, Jovial Jen has her next question. What is a bite-sized candy that you think would be good in the style of a nerd's rope? Nerd's rope in the conversation recently. So what's a nerd's rope successor, perhaps, in the bite-sized candy size? Tara, what's your answer here? Tara: [26:51] Skittles. Dave: [26:52] I have a philosophical objection to this question, which is it's a fun-sized square rope. That's what we're working with to start off with. Tara: [26:59] No, I think it's what bite-sized candy would you turn into rope form? What would you nerds ropeify? Dave: [27:06] Oh, I see. So from a bite-sized candy, I'll allow it then. Because I thought it was like fruit roll-up, but they're the size of those like breath mint tabs you put on your tongue to melt. Like, that's no fun. That's not fruit roll-up anymore. Tara: [27:17] Yeah, no. I mean, that's how I interpreted the question. Dave: [27:20] Everybody's disgusted with me. You fucking idiot, Dave. God damn. Tara: [27:25] That sucked a bag of fucks. Dave: [27:26] And I invite you to go shit yourself. Sarah: [27:33] All right. Dave: [27:34] Well, Sarah, you answer, and I'll have to think of a real answer then. Sarah: [27:38] Mary Janes. Not that anyone likes those except me, but I actually think they might be more appealing, by which I mean less likely to take your fillings out in rope form, because they would have to be more flexible in that format. I mean, what I don't know about food science is a lot, but that's my vote. Dave: [27:57] I'm trying to figure out a way to get back the actually sour sour tongues of the 80s back when the fda before they took a look and said you're causing all the cancer with how sour these are or whatever happened because then there was like a couple years and then like the starting sour line got moved back a lot and it wasn't a sour anymore right so if we can like maybe get those you cut them up and you roll them up on a but i think i just created recreated uh sour gummy nerds. Sarah: [28:26] Yeah, probably. Tara: [28:27] Yeah, yeah. Dave: [28:28] All right. Seekent has our next question. Why is Dave's Harrison Ford impression even better than his Dracula impression? I still have everybody on this answer. Is everybody actually answering this? Tara: [28:38] I have an answer. Dave: [28:39] Oh, okay. Sarah. Sarah: [28:39] I have an answer. Dave: [28:40] Okay, great. Perfect. Sarah: [28:41] I have to think that it's years and years of marinating in the original Star Wars trilogy. Otherwise, I can't explain it, but I'm not his legal wife. Dara? Tara: [28:51] I mean, my actual answer is to call out his Harrison Ford impression is Dave's Robin Williams impression erasure. Dave: [28:59] Which I think is even better. Is that it? Tara: [29:06] Yeah. That's it. Sarah: [29:07] I don't like that. Don't do it again. Dave: [29:11] What if Robin Williams, Harrison Ford, and Dracula walked into a bar? I think it'd go a little something like this. Blah. Because the other one's just a guy going blah, for Christ's sake. It's easy to do. Mandrake. Why is the Chen check-in called the Chen check-in? Was it invented by occasional guest David Chen? Was it invented by Julie Chen? Unwrap the mystery, please, Tara. Tara: [29:32] It wasn't invented by occasional guest David Chen, but he suggested it. He is possibly the most spoiler cautious person I know and have ever known. So that was. Dave: [29:42] He only consumes his pop culture in capsule form now. Tara: [29:45] Yes. He really does not want to know absolutely anything. And I respect that. So that was the idea of the Chen check-in. If you want to like, yes, no, should I watch this versus sit through a whole spoilery conversation and be spoiled for stuff and then be sad. So it makes sense. Dave: [30:00] All right. Shamalek says our last question. Who would you recast as the Penguin instead of Colin Farrell based on Tara's new rule that Colin Farrell can't play Colin Farrell because that's too much work to get into the suit. Tara: [30:13] What? Colin Farrell's always playing Colin Farrell. Dave: [30:16] Oops. But is it Colin Farrell, really Colin Farrell, or is it Colin Farrell playing the penguin as Colin Farrell? That's what I'm asking. I don't know where we're going. All right. Let me start that over again. Tara: [30:26] And where does the guy from Sugar come into it? Dave: [30:28] All right. Never mind. Who cares? What's your answer, Tara? Tara: [30:32] These people were all born in or within two years of 1976, the year Colin Farrell was born. My suggestions are Rory Kinnear, the pig fucker himself from Black Mirror. Sure. Dominic Lombardozzi, already playing a mob guy on another show. Bobby Moynihan, let's see if he's one of the many comic actors who are great in a drama. Not really a physical match, but unsettling and weird looking. David Destmalchen, he was the dot guy from the second Suicide movie. He was also in Late Night with the Devil. Will Sasso, I recently mentioned. Get him off Georgie and Mandy's first marriage, please. And finally, for more of a Danny DeVito kind of a flavor, David Krumholtz is my final pick. Sarah: [31:17] Oh, yeah, that's such a good one. Tara: [31:20] Isn't it crazy to think Rory Kinnear and Colin Farrell are the same age? Because they are. They were both born in 1876. Sarah: [31:26] That is wild. Tara: [31:27] Shocked to learn that. Anyway, Sarah. Sarah: [31:29] I didn't go with an age thing. I just sort of free associated. And that list got me Jonathan Banks, Steve Sharapa from The Sopranos. Perfect build for it. Not sure he's the actor that you need there. Zach Galifianakis and just for funsies, Michael Cyril Creighton. Tara: [31:49] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [31:50] Powered from Only Murders. Tara: [31:52] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [31:53] Dave. Dave: [31:53] Well, I went kind of literal and decided to cast the penguin with the penguin. So I'm going Pengu. The stop-motion claymation penguin. Mostly because of my association of him with the fan-made film Pengu, which is the thing told with Pengu animation. And it's a really good retelling of the thing. And the camera work mocks the show. And, of course, all the transition goopy scenes are in there perfectly done in clay. So I think that would be pretty funny. Tara: [32:26] That sounds adorable. I put a note in the doc. please give us a link to that so we can put it in the show notes. Dave: [32:31] All right. Here is your Ask Ask EHG question. It comes from Dr. Calhoun. Have you ever seen someone in the interview and decided you didn't want to see their show based on their clothes? Way to get better. I just saw an interview and the person was wearing such ugly shoes. And I said, well, I ain't watching their show. Sarah: [32:51] Why weren't we told who this is, though? Dave: [32:54] Yeah, that's a great point. Well, he might be saving that for his answer. Maybe that's what he's doing. He's trying to reel me in, and he's also trying to get the sticker for his own questions. Sarah: [33:00] Was it me? Dave: [33:01] He sealed the deal on the other end. Sarah: [33:02] It wasn't me, was it? Dave: [33:04] So go to our Discord. There is a channel called Ask Ask ESG where you can put your answers, and we will be back soon with a judgment on that one. Dave: [33:16] It is time for the Tiny Cannon. Presenting this week is Tara. Tara: [33:21] Hello! Our category this week is list joke, and I'll explain. When you learn about writing as a technique, brevity gets a lot of play, and for good reason. Most of us don't need to go on very long, and a point will be stronger if you can make it efficiently. But part of mastery is knowing which rules to ignore and which to outright flout. Particularly in comedy writing, more can be more, and that's definitely the case with the list joke. So often when you're watching a comedy, a sequence will stack gags on gags on gags. The first time you watch it as a viewer, Maybe in the first several times, you just laugh, sometimes partly at how long it's going on. But when an episode becomes part of your household's most important pieces of art, part of your canon, if you will, you may have a moment where you can see through the scene like Neo seeing The Code and The Matrix and imagine the day the writer spent in the room pitching jokes on the same prompt, trying to one-up each other, iterating on each other's ideas, then working together to winnow a list of 50 jokes down to the seven very best ones that will make it into the final script. And one such instance comes for me in NewsRadio Season 3, Episode 12, Rap. Tara: [34:28] Well, the A-plot is about Bill, Phil Hartman, getting the stereo fixed in his car so he can finally make out the words in the rap albums he's been enjoying and find out some of the subject matter is untoward. The B-plot revolves around Lisa, more tyranny, being named the city's cutest reporter by New York Magazine. Lisa, a serious journalist who reads policy papers for fun and loves C-SPAN, is both disgusted to receive this patronizing award and, as a human being, also a tiny bit flattered. However, Beth, Vicki Lewis, is low-key outraged. Let's hear the clip. Sarah: [35:40] Gorgeous? Pretty with great hair. Striking? Pretty with a big nose. Okay, you're making this up. That's ridiculous. Why would I make it up? Voluptuous. Pretty and fat. Exotic. Ugly. You know, I don't understand what this has to do with anything. Look, once they start calling pretty people cute, it devalues the. Tara: [36:29] Sexy. Thank you. Not to be a gender essentialist, but I was shocked to look up this episode's credits and see it was written by men only. Alan J. Higgins and Brian Kelly wrote the teleplay from a story ideated by Drake Sather and Paul Sims, who created the show. Each near synonym of pretty is defined with a precision I, wrongly, would have only thought possible from women who, having grown up in patriarchy, learned these tiny shades of distinction from birth. Before I saw this episode in 1997, I'd never thought about the extremely subtle differences among all of these terms. But for me, the scene became an instant classic and one I still know nearly by heart probably two and a half decades later. What is the distinction between attractive and good-looking? I personally couldn't say, but until I die, I will remember that beautiful means pretty and tall, striking means pretty with a big nose, and exotic means ugly. And that is thanks to this 90-ish second exchange. And that's why it belongs in the list canon. Dave: [37:33] Thank you, Tara. Sarah, why don't you start us off? Sarah: [37:38] Striking McGee checking in here. I absolutely agree with this premise. I think that the ability to sort of go back and watch it again and see, like Neo and the Matrix, how it's built, adds to how impressive it is in this case. But if you've never seen it before, you'll definitely have that kind of Seinfeldian, I never thought explicitly about this tiny, barely an issue issue before. And now that I have, I need said issue codified in exactly the way that it was written here, which is an accomplishment. And again, this is a tiny little issue, but cute and pretty aren't the fucking same. And if you did grow up reading Seventeen magazine and kind of osmoting its code for things in your life, then you understand that these distinctions may be unfair but are also very real. And words have meaning. So this was a fun one to think about, not only to see it executed on, but to think about why and how it was good. So, yeah, great presentation across the board. show and presenter. Dave. Dave: [38:52] Firstly, on behalf of men, we accept your apology, Tariq. Finally, a win for the M's. Tara: [39:00] Good job. Dave: [39:01] Thanks. Boy, I hesitate to ask, but if you had to describe me in these terms or similar, what am I? Because you also got like on the, you got like handsome or something like that on the guy's side. Tara: [39:14] But there aren't as many words for men. Dave: [39:16] Yeah. Tara: [39:17] For me, handsome is more like he's pretty in the man sense. Pretty in the man sense from a catalog. Dave: [39:24] I see. Sarah: [39:25] Pretty but generic. That's much more like bland. And yeah, I think the exotic equivalent for men is charismatic or like joli led and you just hope they don't know what that means. Dave: [39:37] I don't know what that means. What do you call me? Tara: [39:40] Pretty ugly. Sarah: [39:41] Pretty ugly. Dave: [39:42] You can't see me doing my rotating fisticuffs. Sarah: [39:45] Rock them, sock them, Dave. Dave: [39:46] I am excited about this tiny cannon because this is one of my favorite comedy mechanics is the joke that goes on a little too long and then circles back on the perfect length. And this is definitely an example of that. It was something I obviously had never thought about, but now I'm very aware of when to use pretty and when to use cute. And it's all because of the men on news radio. Thanks, men. Let's put this to the official vote. Sarah D. Bunting, is pretty versus cute from news radio tiny list joke canon worthy? Sarah: [40:17] This is a cute presentation. I vote yes. Dave: [40:20] I thought it was pretty as well. All right. So that means that pretty versus cute for the news radio episode. Oh, no. Season 3, episode 12. You're hereby inducted into the tiny list of cannons. Dave: [40:35] Americans love a winner. Yup. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. It didn't feel like editing anything today. Sarah: [40:46] So much singing. What's wrong with us? Dave: [40:48] I don't know. All right. It is time for the not quite winners and losers of the week. I have never watched a second of The Bachelor that I can remember, but I'm just going to read this winner as plopped down, I assume by Tara in our document, because it made me laugh more than anything this week for some reason. Human man Chalk Chappie. Tara: [41:10] No, Chappell. Dave: [41:11] Human Man Chalk Chappell winning the first season of the Golden Bachelorette that was pretty funny it put me in the frame of mind of Hugh Mann from Futurama but then there's this sub winner, first of all this guy Chalk Chappell if it had been Chappell. Tara: [41:35] I would have put that's Chappell because of the tweet the viral tweet from years ago. Dave: [41:41] Chopper strap worth billion chalk chapel yep, it is this other guy named Guy Gansert that's right uh it's gigante no it's not, uh who is the runner-up so he may be in line to the golden bachelor throne so ooh intrigue, get Chalk and Guy together and the baby name universe will explode or implode into oblivion. Fantastic. Tara: [42:14] Just before you move on, Dave, this is newly in as of Friday. Dave: [42:19] Oh, is there another one? Tara: [42:20] No, there isn't another Guy, but, well, in a sense there is. Joan saved Chalk in her phone as Kevin Costner, who she has previously expressed her crush on, So he's her Kevin Costner, I guess. Dave: [42:35] I see. Tara: [42:36] Mm-hmm. Dave: [42:37] Not quite loser of the week is Squid Game creator Hwang Dong-hook, who says he lost eight or nine teeth from stress while shooting the first season. Tara: [42:46] Yikes. Dave: [42:47] Dude. Sarah: [42:47] Which is it, though? Tara: [42:49] Right. That's a great point. Sarah: [42:50] Do you stop getting like after five? He's like, I don't fucking know. Dave: [42:53] I lost count of five. Sarah: [42:55] Or it's just like a dust form. Amazing. Dave: [42:59] And he whistles all the time now and he doesn't know where it's coming from because there's like a whole bunch of holes between his teeth. I read somewhere else that he said his first answer to why are you doing season two is because I didn't make enough money on season one. I barely made anything. And what he did make went to his teeth replacements, I guess. At what point do you like, I got to stop? Two teeth? Three teeth? Surely four teeth? No. Eight or nine teeth this guy lost. Yikes. Sarah: [43:27] Eight. I'll stop at either eight or nine. And then when you can't tell. Dave: [43:32] Can I go double? digits is that within me anyways sarah who is your not quite winner of the week. Sarah: [43:38] My not quite winner is poker face which has added cory hawkins simon rex remember him and method man among, many others like i think we're in season two of poker face at this point congratulations kind of feel like they got to stop casting and start shooting it or it's just going to be top heavy, expectations but if you uh i'm i'm hopeful if. Dave: [44:00] You had to be in poker face as a guest like what sort of role would you be playing what are what like you know townsman or weird occupation person are you uh doing on poker face. Sarah: [44:10] I'm probably a diner waitress with the old school uniform and little paper doily yeah hat you. Dave: [44:18] Don't need to look at what pies are available you know what pies are available. Sarah: [44:21] Yeah, They're written on my heart. Tara: [44:26] I mean, in a sense, Sarah and I were already in Poker Face in the episode with Judith Light and Essa Patha-Merkerson as best friends in the retirement home who'd kill a guy. Sarah: [44:36] We absolutely were. An episode I watched on my 50th birthday while knitting under a cat. Oh, perfect. So, yeah. We're not through the looking glass. We're under it. Anyway, loser of the week. Dave: [44:48] Wait. Sarah: [44:49] I mean, loser of the many weeks. Dave: [44:50] Hang on. There's a third person here might have a little suggestion. Tara: [44:54] Okay. Sarah: [44:54] Strapworth Billion. Tara: [44:55] Yes, Dave. Who would you be? Dave: [44:57] Tarantula Wrangler. Tara: [45:01] All right. Dave: [45:03] Continue with the show, please. He's had his attention. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Sarah: [45:09] Speaking of losers, Freevi got shut down. Amazon consolidated subscription and free content under Prime Video, which sounds simple, But then every article that you read explaining it, it makes it sound excessively complicated. Like, why did this happen? Tara: [45:25] No, it's so dumb. Sarah: [45:26] Why did anything in this timeline of Freevy happen? And that they could not figure out what to do with a brand that they bothered naming Freevy is so, it's so dumb. Like, Amazon, are you just like shitty look shopping on Temu right now? What do you, what is happening over there? Actually, I don't care. You're both cheeks and the crack of a butt. Happy Dave? Dave: [45:52] Yep. Tara, who's your not-quite-winner of the week? Tara: [45:56] I already mentioned earlier that I hoped that Eddie Redmayne kept his wardrobe from the day of the Jackal. And if he did, he will be following in the footsteps of our winner, not-quite-division, Jennifer Aniston. Courtney Cox says she kept all of her friends' clothes. And, like, some of them were bad. 1994 to 2004 is a very specific time in fashion. Although they didn't generally go too, too trendy, but there's a couple of pairs of jeans Rachel has that like if they fit me that well, I would keep them forever, too. So good for her, I say. Loser of the week, Jennifer Aniston's co-star from We're the Millers, Jason Sudeikis. He participated in an oral history of Ted Lasso. Crazy thing to write about a show that is potentially still happening. but he has been quoted as saying about season, the backlash to season three that no one liked. Some people want to judge. They don't want to be curious. And to expand on that, I'll never understand people who will go on talking about something so brazenly that they, in my opinion, clearly don't understand and God bless them for it. It's not their fault. They don't have imaginations and they're not open to the experience of what it's like to have one. Dave: [47:13] Nobody understands my genius. Tara: [47:15] Everybody's in better shape than when they started. water like a good boy or girl scout at a campsite we left it better than we found it and if you don't see that in that show then i don't know what show you're watching hey man don't tell your viewers they watched your show wrong if the general consensus is this sucked maybe it sucked i don't think people came to ted lasso hoping for homework like take the l shut the fuck up you. Sarah: [47:41] Just didn't understand it it's a sitcom. Tara: [47:43] It's not that yeah it's. Sarah: [47:45] Not that complex. Tara: [47:46] No Push Nevada. Oh my god. Oh. Sarah: [47:56] Hello, grandpas. Before we get into the early bird special that is today's extra credit, I just want to let you know that you missed like 52-ish minutes of cute and exotic talk about sniper tradecraft, rope candy, a tiny cannon on important definitions. And if you bump that pledge up, Justice Goche, you can hear all of that as well as our extensive archive of essential silliness. So please consider it. We would love to have you. But we are also loving that you are here now as we are talking about TV dinner service, specifically TV celeb food branding. Here's how we got here. I got a PR blast about Harry Hamlin's branded marinara sauce. I said what I said. The former Mickey Cusack has a sauce line. You can read more about it at harrysfamous.com, but Hamlin, who also has had a cooking show lately called In the Kitchen with Harry Hamlin that he does with his chef, Nice, and then a bunch of guest stars come through like Ed Begley Jr., the Dance at Steenbergens, et cetera. The hook for the sauce apparently is that it's, quote, open source. Sarah: [49:08] You could buy it or you could just... I know. Go on the website. This is what it says. The world's only open source sauce. You could follow the recipe or you could buy a jar yeah i mean i am lazy so i asked for a sample and honestly did not think i would get it and then three jars showed up in my house thanks harry hamlin's pr firm nice yeah i mean it's good like you have to get up real early in the morning to fuck up a rosemary red wine sauce but they didn't so great like i don't need anybody to buy it um or they're lying about open source food products like it again it's marinara we're not talking about the formula to coke. Tara: [49:48] Yeah yeah. Dave: [49:50] I love a good creative common sauce. Tara: [49:52] Honestly like this this is a known speaking of words. Sarah: [49:56] Having meaning. Tara: [49:57] It's it's a recipe like let's relax everything doesn't have to be fucking tech yeah. Sarah: [50:01] Yeah but i also kind of respect that like as dumb as that is if you think about it for longer than three seconds no one else tried it like they're fucking trying it it's like i'm a you know an actor who was a sex symbol and was married to a housewife and now i'm doing open source, like it's so dumb yeah that i i kind of admire it and it's not hurting anybody it's just marinara who cares i. Dave: [50:29] Didn't fart it's open source gas like what. Sarah: [50:31] Yeah open ass okay. Tara: [50:35] What did you have it with Sarah. Sarah: [50:37] I just put crusty bread in it to try it. Yeah. So the lesson here is always ask for samples because you never know. They might come through and then you don't have to cook for like a week. Here's what we're doing right now. Cooking with gas. I do not need anybody to buy Hamlin sauce or try his recipe, but I do need us to talk about TV celebrity food products. So my fellow panelists and I are each bringing two TV stars, food, drink, or snack projects for discussion. One is one that we have tried or would try, and one that is a miscarriage of cuisine and brand creep. So let us go around the horn. We'll start with the good ones, and then we'll end on a sour note, as we love to do. Let's start with Dave. Dave, what is a TV star adjacent food item you have sampled or would sample without complaining? Dave: [51:31] Sure. Well, first of all, I have a suggestion to all the celebrities because when you go doing some research for this, you realize how many of them have to have their own coffee or vodka. Tara: [51:40] Or seltzer or tequila. Sarah: [51:42] Or white wine. Dave: [51:44] Don't stop telling on yourself, please. I went through the list and I found a lot that I didn't know existed because, you know, like, you know, the big ones. But, you know, when you get down to the weeds and certainly when you've got to excise film people, because film people, they've got the real money to buy vineyards and shit like that. TV actors, they've got to work on a kind of a smaller scale a lot of the times. But I did find a TV actor that is probably no longer making TV that much because he is a big movie star now. Although we didn't see him in that Atlanta Maharlali fight. Tara: [52:15] I knew you were going to pick this. Dave: [52:17] Yeah. My choice is Kevin Hart. So he's done enough TV. I think we can put him into this. He has a vegan chicken sandwich chain... pretty small still in California, called Heart House. And it's all just basically vegan fried chicken sandwiches. I love the fact that they're kind of like, I know it's Heart House, but it also kind of sounds like it's healthy, but it definitely isn't. It's just instead of animal protein, you're getting plant protein in the same terrible for you sandwich. But when we moved here to Austin, there is a smaller chain around here called Fly Right that used to have a really good vegan chicken sandwich. And then something happened and the rest of the whole chain got Costco-ified or not Costco, Cisco-ified, you know, where their bespoke ingredients for just whatever they can get from Cisco. And like, they stopped making it for a while and then like it all. Anyways, I miss having a really good option for that because it was good to hit the spot. And I got to say, Heart House, really good marketing, really good photography. It makes everything really look good. And then after that, I discovered that Chenille Keel has his own. Tara: [53:21] Shaquille O'Neal. Dave: [53:22] Shaquille O'Neal, not Nikhil Shonil. Shut up. Leaving it in. Borts and all. He has one called Big Chicken and everything about it, photography website is terrible. Sarah: [53:36] Oh God, it's so budge. Dave: [53:38] It's so bad. It's like Popeyes on fire sale is the level of care that went into this. Tara: [53:45] I'll go next because I have bad news, Dave. All four Hart House locations closed September 10th. Dave: [53:51] They're all gone? Tara: [53:52] They're all gone. Dave: [53:53] Wait, but why do they still have a website? Sarah: [53:55] September 10th of this year? Tara: [53:56] Yes. Sarah: [53:56] What happened? Tara: [53:57] I don't know, but my boss at Cracked is obsessed with Kevin Hart and with this chain because he lives in LA and that's where they were. Like, I guess he went there and he did say it was great. And I think, I'm pretty sure Josh like eats meat, but he still was like, Hart House is the shit. So he was really upset. I had known about this for a while. Dave: [54:14] If the whole thing's got under, it's time to pull the plug on their website. Tara: [54:17] You would think. I mean, maybe they're hoping to reopen. Maybe they're hoping whoever reopened the one rogue sweet tomatoes in Tucson comes and helps. Dave: [54:25] Right. But your last name has to be Hart. Tara: [54:27] That's right. Melissa Joan Hart. That's right. It's here for the taking. Dave: [54:30] It's a really shallow buyer's pool, but we're hopeful. Tara: [54:34] Since Dave already brought up Chenille Keel, a.k.a. Shaquille O'Neal. Dave: [54:40] Shut up. Sarah: [54:41] Shock chappy. Tara: [54:42] I can strongly endorse Shackalicious Gummies, a product I have purchased more than once. If you were a kid in the 80s and you ever ate blue whales candy, the like penny candy that you could get, these are exactly the blue ones, at least, of Shackalicious Gummies taste exactly the same, identical. They say on the bag, they are XL. After I bought them, I did a little tweet on Blue Sky about it. And our past and future guest, Brandy, was like, okay, but how big is XL? And I showed her. And they are like, they're probably like three quarters of an inch tall. They are large. So for gummy candy, they are surprisingly substantial. That's a weird thing to say about them. It's the candy that eats like a meal. Shackalicious gummies have bought, have re-bought, have them on the list right now because this reminded me that I finished our last bag. So they're good. Check them out. Sarah: [55:40] Well, I would try Hilary Burton Morgan and Jeffrey Dean Morgan's MF Bonfire Whiskey. I have not had occasion to try it. They also co-own Samuel's Sweet Shop with Paul Rudd and some other famous folks upstate. I don't think this bourbon would be anything all that special. But for me, it's kind of more about Hillary herself. Like she has a wide, like a big portfolio of disparate things that she's just like, well, you know, I could make a true crime show better than most true crime shows. So she just like tries it and tries to do a good job. And she's usually correct. And then when she's done with that, it's not like she tries to expand into that genre. She's just like, what if we did a bourbon that we like to drink? And so they do it. they sell out a limited edition and then she goes back to doing her podcast. So I enjoy that spirit. And I think that if they came out with a parallel line of bar snacks, like bourbon pecans, that they would probably be pretty delicious. I would like to try them. And I just like her and I want her to be successful and happy because she seems like she's a pretty good human. Tara: [56:54] Before we move on, I'm going to give an honorable mention to Patti LaBelle's famous Sweet Potato Pie. She is a TV star. She played Dwayne Wayne's mother on A Different World. She was also Tilly Hill's mother on The Wonder Years, 2020's version. I really have got to try it one of these days. They set it at Walmart, and it's not even expensive. I expected it to be celebrity price where it's like $30. It's like six. Sarah: [57:19] No, my husband's aunt swears by it. Tara: [57:21] Yeah, I've heard it's good. Sarah: [57:22] She buys like one a week. It's really good, apparently. Tara: [57:25] Okay. Sarah: [57:26] All right, Dave, what celebrity food disgusts you, in theory or in practice? Dave: [57:31] I'm going in hot at that level of disgust. We're talking about 1955's Appointment with Adventures, Paul Newman. Tara: [57:41] Nice. Sarah: [57:43] Wow. Dave: [57:45] Newman's own Fig Newmans are completely flavorless. And Paul Newman, even though I'm sure he didn't have a direct hand in the recipes. Sarah: [57:54] They don't taste like Paul Newman at all. Dave: [57:57] Should be a shame. I don't even know if they happened before or after his death. We miss him. But either way, Paul Newman has got a special place in hell now. Tara: [58:06] Oh boy. Dave: [58:07] Because of how flavorless his Fig Newmans are. Like I bought, like everybody else in the universe, the Nabisco Fig Newtons, you know, in the yellow package. Tara: [58:19] Yeah. Dave: [58:19] That's the one everybody eats first. And they're full of 10,000 pounds of sugar. and they're all very figgy and you can taste everything that is going into here, all five ingredients. And then you move over to, oh, Paul Newman, he's, you know, he's got that soccer Rooney sauce. He's paying a little attention to the ingredients you put in your mouth. You're like, yeah, it's like you're like Homer Simpson. Hello, flavor. It's not there. And it's just like five dollars down the drain. Sarah: [58:49] Whatever their copyright compliant Oreo, Oreo-Oreoid product is. Dave: [58:55] Numinose. Sarah: [58:55] Numinose, I guess. More like Numa-nose. Because also, same. That it's like, I'm chewing, but nothing is happening. No taste. Dave: [59:04] Those left behind on Earth are making a mockery of your name, Paul Newman. Come back to our plane and seek your revenge. Sarah: [59:12] Avenge yourself. Open the source code of your Fig Newmans. Dave: [59:17] What is your celebrity product that you're like, with walnuts? Tara: [59:21] Well, we all know Ed Sheeran primarily as a cameo artist from Game of Thrones, and he is the creator of Tingly Ted's Hot Sauce. Here's who I don't want developing my hot sauce. Any English person, but particularly one who looks like an Altoid might give him a stroke. I don't trust. I don't even care about hot sauce. You are not qualified, sir, to put any endorsement to this product. Sarah: [59:51] I don't believe you. That is definitely my go-to, like, too frail to live insult. Dave: [1:00:02] And also the hot sauce is, it's like ketchup. I don't mean that like, it's like ketchup. It actually is ketchup with hot sauce in it. Hot sauce is too hot for you, but ketchup is slightly, ever so slightly too bland. Two drops of Tabasco in your ketchup. Like, it's such a quintessentially British market item. Tara: [1:00:20] Also, tingly Ted sounds like a British euphemism for gonorrhea. Oh, he's got it. He gave me the tingly Ted. Sarah: [1:00:28] Sarah. All right. I'll take us home with the fucking Teresa fucking Judas. She had an Italian seasoning, which basically was a adobe, not adobe. Goya adobo. Doby. Stupid. Stupid. Yeah. It was like an allspice, but they just like changed the label. Then she had a coffee brand, Cafe Roma, which I think they just like swapped out the label on Cafe Bustelo. She had a skinny Italian cookbook line. And then she had like some bite-sized snack thing. Her actual idiotic but less so and also kind of horrible but less so cousin, Kathy Wakili, quit Real Housewives of New Jersey to spend more time trying to like legit do food things. and Teresa just bit her shit and she always does that and Skinny Italian, I am shocked that what's her name, Bethany Frankel's not come after her for pissing into the Bravo brand tent instead of out of it yeah, Teresa Giudice, Exhibit A of how everyone in this country can just fail up as a Bravo fluencer speaking of things that sound like diseases and I hope an Altoid does give her a stroke I'm sick of her shit. Dave: [1:01:54] Well, that is it for another episode of Extra, Extra Hot Great. We gave the series adaptation of The Day of the Jackal a shot before answering your burning ass EHG questions like, what song are you gamblerizing to? Tara: [1:02:10] Yeah. Dave: [1:02:12] Who should have been the Penguin? Or who should have been Colin Farrell? Tara: [1:02:17] Yep. Dave: [1:02:18] Tara sitting pretty after her tiny can of victory. We'll celebrate those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week. And we wrap the all up for the look at celebrity food brands to enjoy and to avoid. Next up is Dunk Legion, which takes place 10,000 years before Dune. So you already know how it turns out. Why even bother talking about it? I don't know. Remember. I am David T. Cole, and on behalf of Tari Ariano... Tara: [1:02:51] Ugly. Dave: [1:02:58] It's Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:03:00] I don't actually need Teresa Junais to have a stroke. I do need her to play the penguin. Dave: [1:03:08] Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra Hot Great. That's it?