How Sunny Did We Feel About It's Florida, Man?

Dave: [0:10] This is the Extra, Extra Hot Great Podcast, Episode 321 for the October 19th, 2024 weekend. I am world's biggest base nectarine, David T. Cole, and I'm here with vegetarian surcharge, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [0:32] I don't even eat chicken. Dave: [0:34] And Craigslist pedicurist, Tara Ariano. Tara: [0:37] Callus removal is extra. Tara: [0:45] Welcome to Extra. Extra hot, great for another weekend. And thank you so much for being here. Welcome new members. We're thrilled that you've joined us here for our discussion of It's Florida Man in which, as everyone knows who's spent any time on the internet, a lot of very wacky stories tend to come out of the state of Florida. So David Gordon Green, Jody Hill, and Danny McBride have made a new semi-scripted show in which real Floridians tell their weirdest stories and stars like Anna Faris, Sam Richardson, and Simon Rex reenact them comedically. And if that sounds like drunk history, but Florida, that is basically it. The first episode of It's Florida Man premieres tonight, October 18th on HBO. We got access to the first four. We might talk about them in some detail because A, the show is not under embargo anymore and we're allowed, and B, several of these stories have already been spoiled by the news. Let's do the Chen check-in, Sarah, should our listeners watch It's Florida Man. Sarah: [1:46] It's not important television, but sure. Tara: [1:50] Dave? Dave: [1:50] Overall, no, but I do have one episode recommendation that you should watch. That's as much as I'll give it. Tara: [1:56] Yes, I thought one was good, and the rest of the four that we got access to, I was not so impressed. Let's get into it. The last time we talked about a non-scripted crime-adjacent show from Danny McBride, It was telemarketers last year, and that was very much on my mind while I watched this one because it made me feel like I was on what past and future guest Jeb Lund calls yokel safari. Sarah, we'll start with you. How did the tone strike you on this one? Sarah: [2:25] I felt like we were sort of past all the Florida man stuff. I thought we had kind of gone, the arc of it had bent back towards this is really condescending and classist coverage. I think this is less that, but it's still that. This made me miss Drunk History. I was inspired to go watch some episodes of Drunk History after this, so I guess my answer was really a no, but yeah, Yokel Safari is pretty apt, I would say. Dave: [2:58] Yeah, this show's format seems like the show that should have preceded Drunk History, and Drunk History is the one that perfected this show's model, because this feels like a regression, because it is subject matter that lends itself very well to having drunk people talk about it, but that element isn't there, so it is often overwritten, drawn out, whereas Drunk History is sort of the opposite. It is underwritten, Because it is written by a drunk person and it is much shorter because there are segments within a show. And this is this is one topic per episode on is Florida, man. And you can't help but compare it to Drunk History because it's obviously inspired by it. But really, it is like on paper, a lesser version of Drunk History. Like Drunk History is the secret sauce. The secret sauce is sauce. Tara: [3:48] Yeah. I mean, as I wrote in my review, which we'll link in the show notes, like, Two things to what you said. I thought we were past this. Yeah, that's when I discovered that the person who operated the original Florida man Twitter account shut it down in 2019. So, like, already that person, whose name was Freddie Campion, he was an editor at GQ, he was, like, did it because he felt gross about, like, being part of the exploitation of, you know, aggregating these stories, helping them go viral, you know, said something to the effect of, like, do I really want to keep being part of the worst day of someone's life? Dave: [4:22] Yeah, it's a bit like mugshot.com in a way, you know, it has that sort of feel to it. So you really have to like carefully choose what stories and how you tell those stories in order for it not to run into there. And if you're just sort of like regurgitating, repurposing, retweeting stories about weird shit in Florida on mass, you know, in a Twitter sort of firehose fashion, it would be really hard to curate that so it doesn't become icky and exploitive after a while. I mean, feeling it like to me, this show, as we were watching it, four episodes dropped on the screener sites felt a lot like I'm sure there's a Florida man subreddit on Reddit. There is feel like this is very much that subreddit as a TV show where there isn't that filter where somebody says like, I mean, it sounds so dumb to say it when you're talking about stories that hit the Florida man sphere of influence. But like, where's the heart in this story, right? You can tell the story that has lots of stupid things happening and people are dumb. But where's the where's the Coen brothers of it all where you you tap into something else where these people are making dumb decisions and they're really setting themselves up for failure. But there is a human story there. Dave: [5:36] And the first episode which is about this guy who puts who needs money because he is the world's biggest bass nectar fan which is a electronic artist of some sort i was not aware of since disgraced apparently i thought that name was made up so i googled it and it's like oh that's a real thing so anyways there's this group of friends they love and they're sort of like as people in the 70s and 80s were to grateful dead they are to bass nectarine right they follow them around They will go to see shows. Tara: [6:05] It's just base nectar, not nectarine. Dave: [6:07] Oh, yeah. Sorry. Hey, the prospector's back. I love base nectarines. The base nectar episode. He needs money to do all this. He answers a Craigslist ad, or sorry, he puts out a call saying, I need money. What do you got? You need done. And somebody contacts him and saying, this is not sexual. but and then eventually he finds out that somebody wants him to come to his house cut off three of his toes cook them then eat them in front of him and he will pay him four thousand dollars to do that yeah and then from there it's a very drunk history-esque sort of plus rashomon retelling of what happened here but. Sarah: [6:53] In drunk history's case like even though they're drunk like, drunk part is like part of it. And then you're seeing this lip syncing of a drunk relating of the tale, including all the burps and trailing off and slurring. And that's very funny. But these are like comedians and storytellers who are just drunk. And as Tara pointed out in her review, the actual people are telling their stories. And like, I don't have an issue with the sort of hybrid reenactment style thing. I wanted this to be Drunk History meets American Animals, which was directed by Bart Layton. It was about a book heist. And there were reenactments by actors that you've actually heard of. But then there were also the actual people in interviews. But this just felt like actual people who don't do this for a living and have absolutely no reason to be polished or sort of prepared with punchlines. Sarah: [7:54] Having actually pretty good crafted punchlines that obey the rule of threes. And it's like, and then we just sat around drinking a beer. And then he has that detail about how it was Stella Artois and he wasn't that excited about it, which like been there, buddy, but also there's no way that on your own, you would have included that detail. I just felt like there was a little bit of scripting happening that these people weren't necessarily suited for. They're fine, but it's like, just do drunk police blotter from the people that brought you drunk history, but there's something about the McBride of it all also, to me. Dave: [8:30] Well, McBride does not hesitate to punch down, And that's part of his humor. So that's, I think, is what a lot of people react to here, which is like, these are some people that are really down on their luck often in these stories. Tara: [8:43] Yeah. Dave: [8:44] Like this first one, this guy just really wanted $4,000 to go see a band he liked, but some other ones in the series are like darker and like kind of gross. Tara: [8:54] Yeah. Dave: [8:54] The premise of it. And also like not funny. Tara: [8:57] Mm-hmm. Dave: [8:58] They then have to take this story and write it. Sarah: [9:01] Yeah. Tara: [9:01] Write it in the editing. Yes. Dave: [9:03] Yeah, and edit it. I think it was more of a talking head show. I don't think we'd be talking about it, but I think it would have been more successful as far as like what they were trying to do. But like you really have to pick your battles when you're talking about Florida stories. And I thought they were 25%. Because of the Toe one, I thought like it was just weird. Like it really did feel like it could have been the setup to a Coen Brothers movie. But the other ones, like there's this one about like girls that dress as mermaids for like a member's pool or something and it turns into this whole stalker thing which was like it started off kind of fun but then like i was like oh there's a cop abusing cop privileges and we're supposed to think this is funny like that didn't hit at all and there was more of that than there was oh this toe thing is really fucked up and freaky yeah. Tara: [9:51] It seems obvious the reason they picked that to be first is like it's the most no pun intended palatable. Dave: [9:56] But it's. Tara: [9:57] Also it's also the most urban legendy like there's There's no way to trace this. Like the person who hired this guy to eat his toes like is not among the interviewers, you know, interview subjects rather. There's a divide in these two episodes like between the kinds of stories that are told by people who have all of their teeth and the kinds of stories that aren't. Then the ones where you feel like these people are troubled, like it's a lot less fun to watch when they're not talking about like, and then I bought this house and all this stuff happened where it's like, I was living in this guy's trailer because I had nowhere else to go. Or I was not probably not totally in my right mind when I jumped this fence and then got my arm ripped off by a gator. Dave: [10:42] There was a lot of implied meth. Tara: [10:44] Yes, there was. But they don't say it, right? Dave: [10:46] And that's the kind of thing where you're like, okay, this is somebody who's obviously troubled. Right. And there was something else going on in the story that has been edited out for television, but it is still in there. Tara: [10:57] Yes. Dave: [10:57] We just don't hear them say the word. Right. Because that guy obviously was on something. You don't, like, have a call to the void to go into a gator swamp when you're in your right mind. And you think, yeah, you know what? I'll swim in this lake that has 20,000 gators in it. Tara: [11:12] Yeah. Dave: [11:13] Like, that part of it was the part where it goes from fun to ookie. Tara: [11:17] Right. And it was the same with telemarketers where it's like, who benefits from the story being told and who is benefiting like from the production? Because when you're watching these people who, you know, are not doing great telling their stories on camera, it's like, I just hope they got I hope they got paid and I hope someone is looking after that money for them. Like, I hope that they were not exploited again by the show. Like so that for me like there's in addition to like there's a ceiling to how entertaining the stories can be there's also a ceiling to how much you can be entertained by it because if you think about it for three seconds it feels gross it. Sarah: [11:56] Did to me yeah there's just a unempathetic scabrousness to mcbride content that this is less like forcefully off-putting at first but as you're sort of going along with it it really is like this is not funny enough to be this shitty yeah to like shitty emotionally i mean versus like it's not bad quality it's just like Don't be a dick. Tara: [12:22] Yeah. Sarah: [12:22] Why do you have to be a dick? Dave: [12:25] It's like the nonviolent world hip hop star video sites. Tara: [12:29] Yes, world star. Dave: [12:29] Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Tara: [12:32] Yeah. Dave: [12:32] It feels like that, right? Yes. It's like almost like perform for our benefit, for our amusement person that needs help. Tara: [12:40] Help. Yeah. And so, yeah, I just feel like there was probably a conversation where it's like, well, they signed releases, everyone agreed, they got paid, no one died, like it's all fine. And it kind of isn't like i just feel like the bar should be higher than that, it's something like this it was uh it was not great. Sarah: [13:00] Drunk history is still really good though. Tara: [13:02] Yeah drunk history is great silver. Sarah: [13:04] Lining go find it. Dave: [13:14] It is time for a little segment we like to call ask E-A-S-G E-A-S-G, All right, it's a bit of a weird week this week, so let's just get into it. You'll discover why in a moment, but we do have to dispense with last week's Ask Ask ESG judgment. Now, usually one of us does the judging, but I left it to Dr. Calhoun if he got on the server and saw my message, if he could do the judgment. And he did at the 11th hour. So here we are scrambling. Tara had to rewrite everything. The scripts have been thrown out. We had to workshop a new, no, it's not that involved. But Dr. Calhoun did deliver. He did come in and give judgment. So Tara, what are we talking about and what happened? Tara: [14:11] Okay. So Dr. Calhoun's question from last week was, I've always liked the more sociological reality shows like PBS's Frontier House where people tried to live like pioneers, Early Real World, and Pre-Reworked Big Brother. Are there any of these less drama-focused reality shows around anymore? And the unspoken part of this was, and please give me your recommendations if so. Some people did, including me and Dave. I'll go first. Mine was Airline, the A&E show that was all about Southwest Airlines. And it was... Sarah: [14:43] Oh, yeah. It delivered on the... Tara: [14:46] The like human drama of people just absolutely wilding out at airports and the staff sometimes mostly holding their shit together it's the kind of thing where like if you have a trip coming up you might not want to watch it but if you're not going anywhere for a while it is it's it's entertaining to see the kinds of craziness that people could get up to so it had three seasons two of them are on hulu and uh dave had one as well yeah. Dave: [15:12] We did a special episode called i think I think it was called Nice... Nice British people doing nice things or something of the sort. Tara: [15:20] Something of that sort. Dave: [15:20] And one of the shows that we talked about was one called Back in Time for Dinner. And it's very similar, it sounds like, to Frontier House. And Frontier House is like, okay, you're in the 1800s. Here you go, survive. And this one was like one family living through multiple decades. So there's like a 60s week, a 70s week, an 80s week. You live through austerity Britain. And what that was like kids of today without your cell phones now. And it was just basically how that family survives and what their favorite and least liked parts of each decade were. So very similar, but also sort of like light and airy and a lot of nostalgia for products gone by and all that kind of thing. So that would be my recommendation. Tara: [16:05] Yeah, for sure. We also got some answers from our listeners, and I'm going to intersperse them with Dr. Calhoun's response. So Dr. Calhoun wrote, There were some good submissions. I'm particularly interested in Tipickles 7437's suggestion of The Last American Cowboy, but since it aired in 2010, I felt that I couldn't pick it since I am looking for current shows. For everyone listening who is not going to be as doctrinaire about it as Dr. Calhoun, here's what Tipickles wrote. I really can't say it's not managed, because I'm sure it is, but I enjoyed The Last American Cowboy for the two seasons it was on. I also show it to some of my high school classes to show different agricultural management methods and conflict resolution. It follows three different Montana ranching families through a typical year or so of work. Tara: [16:54] One big-time high-dollar operation, one family-run operation of only a couple with young kids, and then one extended family group with very traditional methods. The drama is mostly centered on the livestock weather and human communication or lack thereof and i think there are eight or ten episodes a season i actually own the dvds but google tells me it's streaming on prime paramount plus and youtube this did sound really interesting to me i'd never heard of this before so i appreciate the wreck back to dr calhoun elspeth suggested the repair shop which i love but i consider it more cozy history than sociological i would love to see a day in the life of some of the hosts though the repair shop is on netflix, Dr. Calhoun goes on, there were other interesting suggestions like old enough and Kid Nation, but I hate kids, so I'm biased against those. You know what, dude? Fair enough. Sarah: [17:43] Mm-hmm. Tara: [17:43] Dr. Calhoun goes on. Dave: [17:45] Don't the kids in Kid Nation get hurt sometimes? Tara: [17:48] I don't think they get badly hurt. I think they get more inconvenienced. Well, that could be a show. Yeah. Dave: [17:52] Kids getting hurt. Tara: [17:53] Kids getting hurt on the Dave Network. Sarah: [17:57] Kid-a-pult. Tara: [17:58] Dr. Calhoun goes on, so I have only seen a couple of minutes of it. when it came out. I don't know how well it meets the requirements, but I guess by process of elimination, I think Nora's suggestion of Welcome to Wrexham wins because it is still currently being made. And Nora wrote about that show. I know it's stupid, but I really enjoy Welcome to Wrexham. I don't care about sports, but sometimes the episodes are about soccer and sometimes they'll just have an episode about Welsh history or coal mining instead. Dave: [18:27] Same thing, by the way. Tara: [18:30] True. That and tenor singing. But Dr. Calhoun ends. I guess the answer to my question of are there any of these less drama focused reality shows around anymore is no, but thanks for the suggestions. If you disagree with my choice, you can attribute it to my stupidity and not bribery. Thank you, Dr. Calhoun. Sorry, you didn't really get what you were looking for, but no one said you had to be that strict about it. And it seemed like you got a lot of raps. Dave: [18:54] I don't understand why it has to be in production. Tara: [18:56] I don't either. Dave: [18:57] It sounds like the shows he likes are sort of trapped in time stuff. Tara: [19:00] Yeah. Dave: [19:01] At least one of the categories is. And I don't think you really need to watch something that is, I mean, I guess he just like sings, well, they're shiny and new. Tara: [19:08] Right. Dave: [19:08] Just throws them away after. Tara: [19:09] But if you watch these older shows, you know, on these platforms, they might notice a spike in this or that. Dave: [19:16] And stop being part of the problem, Calhoun. Tara: [19:18] Right. Dave: [19:19] Jesus Christ. Tara: [19:20] So. Dave: [19:21] So nobody wins. Tara: [19:22] No, Nora wins. Dave: [19:23] Oh, okay. Tara: [19:23] Nora, get at Dave, get your sticker. Okay. Dave: [19:28] Sorry. Apparently I was confused. Tara: [19:30] Nope. Dave: [19:31] Through Nora Bone, did we? Okay, Nora, hit me up on DM on Discord. I need your mailing address and I'll get you out that sticker. By the way, remember when I promised I would send those stickers out right away? I still haven't. I've been so busy with other stuff. So they're still coming, guys. Don't lose faith. The stickers are still coming. Tara: [19:48] Your week's about to open up after tomorrow. Dave: [19:50] Yes. All right. So, you know, there is a rhythm and flow to when people start asking ASCII questions for us, you know, after they listened to the last episode. You may recall this episode is being recorded much earlier in the week. Than usual so we only have one question for you this week but it is a good one and is sort of weird and we're going to repurpose it for a little thing we call is this worse than jazz. Sarah: [20:31] Is this worse than jazz? Dave: [20:34] Bia has our one question this week. And she simply asks, is this worse than jazz with an Earl to a Deadline.com article about the Russo brothers, they of the Marvel Avengers double feature, and also creators of TAR's favorite television universe, Citadel. And we all know Citadel Prime hit, and we were all talking about Citadel this, Citadel that. And then they stole my idea, which is why not have TV shows that all revolve around a central one and each of these satellites take place in a different country where that country takes care of production. They stole my idea, even though the timeline doesn't match up. But they did. We're talking about Citadel Diana and Citadel Honey Bunny, which are two other shows. And in the article, we have this paragraph. It is really dependent on picking the right partners to pull something off in collaboration. Some people are built for it, some people aren't. If you aligned yourselves up properly, you could do remarkable things and move at speeds you couldn't imagine. We love our Italian and Indian partners and the work they did prior to this. We loved their work, they admired our work, and we were very quickly able to establish rapport and a shared vision. It's like we're a bunch of jazz musicians passing music back and forth to one another as we're playing. And it's an incredible thing, say the Russo brothers. Dave: [21:58] So the question is is the creation of Citadel worse than jazz or the way in which they create citadels worse than jazz. Sarah: [22:08] I was unaware that we were permitted to refer to it by its name and not as shitadel but I apologize read the rules and we'll only be calling it shitadel I actually have never seen a frame of the shit and don't care that they would make the jazz reference, about themselves is at the least as bad as jazz in my opinion and from what i have heard from our esteemed colleague tara the shows are as boring and impenetrable and not for us as jazz the franchise does seem to resemble jazz and that some people really groove on it and i don't care even in a love to hate way. So, because even as a TV critic, this is eminently avoidable in a way that jazz is sometimes not for a resident of Brooklyn, New York, I will acknowledge that it is as bad as jazz, but not worse. Tara: [23:07] I have watched multiple episodes of it, and this explanation of how their process works is definitely worse than jazz. Jazz, at least, even though it is, as Sarah said, not for me. There is some artistic impulse under it. People are trying to create something new and exciting and improvisational and different and possibly unrepeatable. and Citadel is the most written by A.I. Ass show I ever saw in my life and I watch a lot of bad TV so that is saying something like I don't feel the human touch on Citadel at all like part of the excitement of jazz for people who like it is like you don't know what's going to happen things could go wrong you incorporate that that's part of it whereas Citadel and now it's spinoffs that I will certainly never see is just so soulless and um depressing, so I'm gonna say it's it's definitely to me it's it's worse than jazz Dave. Dave: [24:14] People that don't play jazz talking about how they're playing jazz when they're not playing jazz, I hope you followed me there. Tara: [24:22] Yes. Dave: [24:23] Is worse than jazz. We're screenwriters creating our own universe. Remember that success we had with the Marvel Cinematic Universe using content from the last 60 years that was already written and we just had to put it on screen? That is a far cry away from trying to do the same thing but creating it all from the get-go. Like, they're trying to do this, right? Where it's like, and now here comes Honey Bunny. Everybody loves Honey Bunny, right? And everybody's like, we've never heard Honey Bunny before. There's crickets. Sarah: [24:49] It's like the key. on Buffy. It's like, she's been here all along. What? Dave: [24:55] The reason why it worked in Marvel, because Marvel people are already on board. It's already baked into your cinematic universe that you can say, hey, here comes the guy with the three pointy things on his mask, and everybody's like, oh my god, I just jizzed on my pants because he mentioned the three pointy mask guy. Like, that doesn't exist in Citadel. Like, you say, honey buddy, and everybody's like, well, I don't know who that is. But when you do all this, and you're explaining, like, yeah, we just like pass ideas back and forth like, and the other person is like you sound like worse than the worst jazz person ever because you're not even playing jazz at least jazz people when they're describing the way they make jazz are actually doing jazz you're not doing jazz you're making a show for Jeff Bezos you know like who gives them I will. Sarah: [25:42] Say if the quote had actually been. Dave: [25:45] Well our production partners are like, and we're like then I would respect it and it would not be worse than jazz. Sarah: [25:56] If they had said it like Dave just said it but because they said it like they said it I am forced to concur that it is in fact worse than jazz. Dave: [26:03] Alright, so we've discovered it is at minimum as worse than jazz and then we go from there to the heights of the worse than jazz mountain. Alright, folks. Usually this is where we give you the Ask Ass ESG question, but stay tuned. That is coming during Winner and Loser of the Week. Dave: [26:27] It is time for Tiny Cannon. We decided to just give up and call it Tiny Cannon because that's what we've all been calling it anyways. So Tiny Cannon this week is presented by Sarah D. Bundy. Sarah: [26:38] It is. And I actually was going to ask if we had a little tiny, tiny cannon, cannon intro horn. And we do. I'm very excited to hear it. Good job, Dave. Hello. I am nominating today for the Successful Avoidance of Finale Casting Spoilers Cannon. The last scene of the first episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer's two-part sixth season finale, Two to Go. The last line of dialogue in the episode and by whom it is delivered are legendary. I don't think we need too much context here, so I'm going to get right into it. The sixth season ender is, of course, the double episode in which Willow, Alison Hannigan, well, why don't we let Emma Caulfield's Anya bring us up to speed in clip one. Sarah: [27:44] Yep, that's it. Crazed with grief over the accidental shooting death of her recently unestranged girlfriend Tara, Amber Benson, Willow has re-entered her magic's addiction to fuel a vengeful rampage and a series of increasingly obnoxious villain-adjacent one-liners as well. This half of the finale is focused on Willow's monomaniacal hunt for Warren's hench nerds Andrew and Jonathan, Tom Lank and Danny Strong respectively, as well as the Scooby gang's attempt to stop Willow before the moral point of no return. And possibly to shut her up, not for nothing, but we're going to get back to that. Sarah: [28:21] This finale is everything the sixth season attempted and didn't always quite get right in Microcosm. Ever-shifting symbology of magic as a literal drug, like the Force being midichlorians. The self-righteous exposition about same, overdone under clever characterization of the three who never met a fandom they couldn't adopt the Argo of at length, and of course the redemption arc of James Mersters' chipped vamp Spike, the straining credulity shiteousness of the SFX and fight stunts most of the season, and honestly if this finale is remembered for anything else, it's for that risible willow dummy stapled to the top of an 18-wheeler, which single claw-handedly saps the sequence of any tension. But almost in spite of itself, Two to Go does build effectively to its final segment, which finds Willow and Sarah Michelle Gellar's Buffy in hand-to-hand combat at the magic shop. Or they're stunt people are. But anyway, this battle of the Bruces has been a long time coming for characters and audience, and this scene is shot fairly compellingly, culminating in Willow crashing through a display case right next to where Anya has been hiding and chanting a Sumerian spell, binding Willow's magic-crack powers. Sarah: [29:40] After knocking Anya out, Willow does the same to Buffy, but not before taunting her and jinxing herself, clip two. Sarah: [30:30] Gotta love a literal zing on the soundtrack. And that's what follows Giles appearing in the door of the magic shop to whomp Willow into the back wall with a green ring of magic fire. And cut to black and credits, which finally note Anthony Stewart Head's return as a special guest star. I do remember that when this was on Television Without Pity, I would go into the speculation with spoilers thread because I didn't really care, but I don't remember hearing anything about this before it happened. And I do remember screaming, fuck yeah, when it occurred like the Kool-Aid pitcher guy, because one of the other issues with the season six of Buffy was Anthony Stewart Head's departure as Giles. I get it, but thank God he came back. His return and the literal one-two punch of it belong in the tiny canon, not just because it was and remains an extremely satisfying moment featuring a beloved character bitch slapping a less so one, but because it speaks of a bygone age in which a cult show that was closely scrutinized as this one, as text, could still pull off a casting mic drop this resounding. Was this the last time such a casting coup got pulled off with no leaks? Maybe not. But man, was it a relief to see a grown-up step into the situation here, so is this tiny canon worthy? I'd like to test that theory! Let's see it. Dave: [31:55] Thank you, Sarah. Before I hand it off to Tara for our first round, I just want to say, without giving actual shows, are there any other potentials? And by the way, I love how detailed we got right away with the tiny canon categories. Are there any potential candidates for other successful avoidance of finale casting spoilers canon? I can think of one other. Tara: [32:17] I can think of one other. Sarah: [32:19] Yeah. Just one? I think we're all thinking the same one. Dave: [32:21] Okay. All right. We'll look forward to that in the future. All right, Tara, we heard Sarah's argument for this one. What do you think? Tara: [32:29] I mean, I'm not trying to telegraph how I'm voting, but I just want to raise the process question, which is it's hard to assess how successful the secret keeping was by just watching the episode. Like so much of this judgment depends on your memory of something that happened, you know, at this point decades ago. And I, I do remember being surprised. It definitely was a show where people would leave summarily and definitely never come back faith. But it was also a show where people would die and then turn out to still be alive. So like, you know, on the scale of like finale casting, Giles coming back is like, it's not the hugest shock. Like he was, it's not like his character died either. He just kind of left. So for him to come back when shit got bad, it's sort of like, well, yeah, of course he did. He should have. Like, as joyful as it was to welcome him back, and it was. And I don't think anyone was necessarily expecting it, but it wasn't the hugest shock that possibly could be either. I mean, that's not what you're trying to argue anyway, really. You're just trying to say, we didn't know, and we didn't. But yeah, it's hard to, I don't know how to. Dave: [33:48] Can I, I'm happy to butt in here because here's the deal. My Swiss cheese memory is going to come in real handy here because not only did I not know that this was happening, like, as like, I don't remember this episode at all. We watched it. The whole thing felt like I was watching it for the first time. I know I watched it before, but like, I thought maybe this was the episode where Anya gets cut in two or something like that. Like I thought it was around there. that's like the only thing I remember from the end like their last shot near the hellmouth I remember and like her getting cut almost in half so this episode going into it I was like I don't know what she's talking about, okay now here's the problem and I hate to do this to you Sarah because this is your first tiny can of presentation but I'm going to tell you exactly why it was not a surprise to me going into this let's just say for the first time. Dave: [35:01] Okay, so all that work on the show's part, on production, on set security, let's say, undone at the 11th hour by the previously on editors who telegraphed his return by pointing out he was gone when he was already gone for a while. The problem with previously ons for me is that they are little spoiler bombs and they can't help themselves. Like they don't trust that the audience is going to remember something or not remember something as the case may be. If something is going to happen this episode, they want to remind you of its status here in the previous leads. And as soon as that came up, I'm like, oh, okay, that's he's coming back, I guess, because why else would they do it? Sarah: [35:45] Right but then at the time like you're already watching this live it's a finale in the like before time i don't know i think maybe what you're saying is that i should have submitted this as a tiny no neck for previously spoilers which is. Tara: [36:02] The flip of this that is. Sarah: [36:04] Absolutely i mean do you want me to scream dude it's like i'd like to submit for the tiny no neck i mean It's like the car. Dave: [36:14] Sharing poster from World War Two, where it's like when you ride alone, you ride with Hitler. It's like when you ride with previously's, you ride with spoilers. They just are the nature of it. Either like, you know, Mad Men with their next on where it's just like bleep, blop, fart, look, gone. And then that's it because they knew that that was something they didn't want to telegraph. Tara: [36:37] Yeah. Sarah: [36:38] Right. Tara: [36:38] I'll say in Sarah's defense. Sarah: [36:41] I don't think that argues against my point quite as hard as you think it does. But if we want to... Realign as a known act. I'm comfortable with that. Sorry, Tara, go ahead. Dave: [36:53] No, we're voting on what you present. I'm just saying, here we are, we're talking about, did they avoid the finale casting here at the end of it? I'm saying, I didn't know who it was when we started the show. As soon as those previously's came on, I knew it was Giles going to pop up at the end because that's just the way previously's work. And they shouldn't work that way, frankly. Like if you are really good about spoilers, you would skip the previously's And then you would be pleasantly surprised at the end of it. But I just thought it felt extremely telegraphed every time there's a previously and suddenly there's a character there that has been in for a few episodes. Sarah: [37:28] Yeah, you're being guided towards what you're supposed to pay attention to. I get it. I would like to pull the listenership on what they think of this because this is not getting in. So let's see what you guys think. Tara: [37:41] Well, I'll just say to Dave's point, I think they sort of fudge that a little bit by saying this is what happened this season that. Dave: [37:48] They were trying it didn't fool me but they were trying absolutely. Tara: [37:51] Okay i mean if it didn't fool you it didn't fool you i didn't remember i actually didn't remember who it was coming back so it did that it did work on me okay but the question is like can we assess that based on just the episode and i i feel like the the historical part of it is what is tripping me up i think that we like the only way that we can really do this if is if we do it like more contemporaneously with when it airs because it's too hard for me to remember okay and. Dave: [38:19] I'm arguing that they did a really. Tara: [38:21] Good job up to 8 p.m. Dave: [38:23] For sure that previously started that's what i'm saying prior to that great i guess i mean this sounds like they had all the security and all the people not saying things that they needed to have happen and then the previous guys came up and like took a big dump on it. Sarah: [38:38] Yeah i mean i don't think that's how it functioned i think that that was them underlining like look how good a job we did at this and then they didn't put him in the opening scroll but he Tara's point is legit, that it's like, unless I want to read contemporary overnight accounts of like, wow, what a surprise that was. I feel like people who are heavier into Buffy are going to be like, oh yeah, I see what Buncey's saying, but if you're not feeling it, you're not. Tara: [39:07] Yeah. Dave: [39:08] Yeah, I can only go by the timeline of as I watched it this week. Tara: [39:13] I do love the idea of a previously canon or nonac, honestly. And I do think there is a place to do, like, finale canon or nonac. This is the thrill of the tiny canon. It opens up so many possibilities. Dave: [39:27] All right, let's put this to the official vote. Tara Ariano, what say you? Buffy, season six, episode 21, two to go, successful avoider of finale casting spoilers? Tara: [39:37] Regretfully, I have to say no, just for the reasons that I said that like the episode divorced from its context, you know, it didn't just fall out of the coconut tree. And it's too far back for me to remember what that was like. Dave: [39:48] Yeah, I'm gonna say no as well. So that means that Buffy season six, episode 21, two to go, you are hereby not inducted into the successful avoidance of finale casting spoilers, tiny canon. Dave: [40:12] All right it is time to discuss our not quite winners and losers of the week i have our not quite winner numero uno which is friends marking its 30th anniversary with an adult happy meal at mcdonald's in spain yeah weird so you bought first of all in the commercial if you watch it the the happy meal box is fucking gigantic yeah. Tara: [40:40] Well this is why it's adult. Dave: [40:41] And then you get a uh like a giant headed sort of japanese looking giant head plastic figurine of one of the six friends and uh that is sort of a great idea but i don't know why spain is the one that figured it out is. Sarah: [40:58] That where funko pop is based. Dave: [40:59] Yeah they are very funko pop is you're right yeah would you go to mcdonald's in america and get all six if they had these two of course okay. Tara: [41:10] Of course i would. Dave: [41:12] Of course you would how. Tara: [41:13] Can you even ask that i really actually i might only get the ones that no i if i have to get if i get more than one it has i have to get them all. Dave: [41:21] If you're only allowed six okay you can get six yeah i would get six joeys honestly. Tara: [41:28] I would support that joey is the best. Dave: [41:30] A joey special is six joeys yeah. Sarah: [41:32] Which which friend do you get which friend do you have to get to quit at one joey yes i. Dave: [41:39] Would right yes yeah if. Sarah: [41:41] You get ross and then it's like cut to 17 happy meals later you have like 15 rosses and a phoebe and you're like god damn it. Dave: [41:49] Who's last monica oh i would say rachel. Tara: [41:55] I'm gonna say no she's second for me after joey. Dave: [41:58] Okay see second i go phoebe second. Tara: [42:01] She's my number three. Dave: [42:02] Well who's your last sir uh. Tara: [42:05] I mean it sounds like yeah i think rachel. Dave: [42:07] My not quite loser of the week is the penguin oh god this is so enraging okay so the penguin is the first show that hbo is trying to have his cake and eat it to and start putting ads in front of their shows now the way that they're presenting it is when you watch the penguin on hbo max or max or whatever the fuck there is going to be curated advertising wank motion for some bourbon right so it's like their quotes are like oh you know it's the synergy it's the pure matching of audience and subject matter where everybody who watches the penguin fucking loves bourbon so of course nobody's going to care if there's bourbon ads in front of the penguin and that's the kind of thing we'll do moving forward smash cut nine months later when the ad market isn't exactly like knocking on doors to be the first one you know then it's like shock the monkey and the penguin, are there two products ever that have had more in common shock the monkey win ten dollars like it pisses me off so much when they try to sell this bullshit like that like just be honest it's. Tara: [43:18] Gonna be somewhere in between is gonna be like you know the penguin takes huge shits that's why he. Dave: [43:22] Needs charman you know because you know he does he doesn't eat well oh here's the quote from hbo people, This must always be super endemic and aligned to the audience. Oh, my God. Tara: [43:39] Fuck off. Dave: [43:39] So many dicks. Sarah: [43:41] Super endemic? Dave: [43:42] But here's the deal. The next two up, according to the article, I can't quite figure out by the wording of its conjecture or these are what they're saying are probably the next two up from HBO people. But you can look forward to this also hitting the White Lotus when that comes back. Tara: [43:58] For sure. Dave: [43:59] And The Last of Us. So my question to you, dear listeners, and this is your Ask Ask EHG question for this week, is answer one or both. What advertisers will be in front of the White Lotus and what advertisers will be in front of the Last of Us on HBO Max? Sarah: [44:20] Fireball whiskey. Fuck yeah. Dave: [44:22] Yeah. Like mushroom, like athlete's foot spray or something like that for Last of Us. Like it's you guys figure it out you let us know go to the discord channel ask ask esg put your answers there judgment coming soon let's get back to not quite winners and losers of the week sarah debunting winner. Sarah: [44:41] Uh my not quite winners of the week are ryan reynolds and hugh jackman who are reportedly in the running to host the oscars next year i think that caring about the oscar hosts or any, awards host is not something people should spend time on, but this would make me more willing to tolerate watching the broadcast if it were those two. Seems like a good idea. Dave: [45:06] I can't think of anybody that would make me watch the Oscars. Who would be the Dave Neff? No, I don't think so. Sarah: [45:14] Not quite loser of the week. Speaking of awards shows, that's the E! Channel, which has lost the Critics' Choice Awards telecast to The CW. What the spicy fuck is the brand at the CW? I don't know. They don't know. Anything could happen. It's chaotic something. Dave: [45:38] Yes, it's chicken shit. Bingo. Sarah: [45:40] Yeah, this critic chooses to not know what the fuck is going on or watch that. Dave: [45:46] Tara, not quite winner of the week. Tara: [45:48] My not quite winner of the week is Reacher, which has been renewed for season four ahead of its season three premiere. This is not a big surprise. We talked a couple of weeks ago, or I did, about the Neely spinoff that's coming from the character that was introduced in season two. You know, this is an excellent entry into the genre of what I recently heard on a podcast called Dumb Guy TV. I am dumb guy, by the way. Because they the podcast where i heard it was referring to tulsa king which is certainly dumb guy tv not only for but about a dumb guy but i just want to take a moment because i talked it up on around the dial when it first came back for season two tulsa king is not hitting this season the way it was and i mean in all senses of the word nothing's. Dave: [46:30] Happened it's just these like boring deals between factions and there's like it's like the x-files season nine or whatever It's like, well, there's mobs, and then there's the dark mob, and there's the black oil mob, and then there's like too many mobs. We just need Tulsa King punching people. Tara: [46:46] Okay, that's one problem is too complicated. Second problem is not enough extremely violent dumb fights. There's hardly any. Third problem is it seems very clear that what they're heading towards is some kind of alliance between Dwight and the Neil McDonough character. Because they've in the not most recent episode the one before that it ended with him being shocked by like the chinese opium subcontractor that. Tara: [47:13] He's working with shooting a bunch of his guys and he was like oh shit i just wanted to scare them and he's like no they're dead now so i think we're supposed to think that the neil mcdonough guy cal thresher is like he's like a medium baddie who if when he becomes friends with dwight just like his character did when he became friends with fucking Rob Lowe on 9-1-1 Lone Star. Dave: [47:33] Hey, exactly. Tara: [47:34] It's going to be the same thing all over again. That's my prediction. So I'm still watching Tulsa King, but I'm with my arms crossed. Yeah, I know. Dave: [47:41] It's a lot of wheel spinning this season. And I also think like, we know that Sylvester Stallone was like, I don't want to do it. Tara: [47:50] Yes. Dave: [47:50] And I feel like he was like, just give me more things where I sit down and just like for sure. Don't have to run around. Tara: [47:55] Yeah, more dates in restaurants. Yeah. Reacher anyways, that is definitely like, I would say, it's the goat in that category. The fights are completely insane. Episodes are nice and short. It doesn't try to get too complicated with his plots. Reacher is a great stupid show. So if you're not, get on board. Dave: [48:14] Reacher season two had the great marketing Reacher's back and then it was just a picture of Reacher's back. So for season three, I want to see Reacher's armed to the teeth and it's just a giant muscle and he's biting it. Tara: [48:27] Okay, great. Dave: [48:28] I'm glad we're agreed. Tara: [48:29] We are. All right, my not-quite-loser of the week, speaking of Rob Lowe in Reno 9... Not Reno 911. Speaking of Rob Lowe in 911 Low Star... Dave: [48:39] Wait, wait, wait, wait. Cass swap. Oh, Reno 911 with Lone Star people, Lone Star with Reno 911 people. Let's make it happen. Tara: [48:47] Yes, I love that. But in fact, my not quite loser of the week is unstable. Cancel it Netflix after two seasons. This was the sitcom where Rob Lowe and his shitty son, who was a writer, played father and son. John Owen Lowe is not an actor. And I think this proved it. And this was supposed to be sold on the strength of their, like, air quotes, cute relationship on Instagram, where, like, Rob Lowe will post a thirst trap and then his son will, like, roast him in the comments. This is not the basis for anything, least of all a sitcom. And do not get me started on the wig that he wore, Rob Lowe wore in that. So between him losing this show and wanting to quit Lone Star after only five seasons, I just am interested to see him transition full time into host of The Floor and that's it. Because honestly, he's earned it. He's done enough for culture. He's allowed to take a break if he wants. God bless and also God bless Netflix or Killing Unstable, a very bad show. Dave: [49:50] Bring back Mental Samurai. Tara: [49:52] Mental Samurai. Dave: [50:17] If you try to hold my hand i'll slug you. Sarah: [50:22] Word sally bodily autonomy is important welcome back grandpa we're so glad that you're here for our discussion of important tv pumpkins but first i'd like to mention that you've just missed about an hour of conversation about everything from it's florida man to our location of the citadel writers rooms along the jazz axis of evil to a buffy the vampire slayer tiny canon conversation What was the outcome? Was it resubmitted as a known act? There's only one way to find out. It's very cinchy. You just got to bump that pledge up a skosh. You'll get that discussion and hundreds of others. But if you choose not to do that, we're glad you are here. Whatever your subscription level, gore dammit. Sorry, that's going to be in the end of that. We are continuing through the Halloween season, rapidly approaching the length of the average baseball season. And we're going to talk about significant television pumpkins. I asked each panelist to bring two, thinking that there might be a fair bit of overlap here, but I did not remove it's the great pumpkin Charlie Brown from consideration. So did either of my fellow panelists pick that one? Dave: [51:34] I did not because I never liked that one. I liked the Christmas one as a kid. I don't know why, because. But the pumpkin one, I think it was the, like, nobody believed him, piss me off thing. Tara: [51:48] Yeah. Fair. Sarah: [51:49] And I feel like we got enough of that content with, like, Big Bird and Snuffleupagus. Like, I realize that is no longer canonical for reasons that we've talked about before. Dave: [51:59] But this is why in present day, Linus is a conspiracy trumper guy. Sarah: [52:03] Yeah, probably. Dave: [52:04] We pushed him, we pushed him, and we pushed him. And now he's all about the 5G towers. Sarah: [52:09] Lizard people, yeah. But I will use this as one of mine, and then we can go around the horn. This aired first in 1966, just to sort of locate you in television culture and monoculture time. 49% of American TV viewers watched this thing when it aired, which is absolutely Bunkaloo to me. I also did not know or remember that this is the birth of the Lucy yoinking the football thing. Dave: [52:39] Oh, really? Sarah: [52:40] At least in animated form. Dave: [52:41] Oh, yeah. Sarah: [52:42] Versus the comic strip where I feel like it has to have been happening on a weekly basis, but I always skipped it because that shit was depressing, in my opinion. Anyway, this meditation on faith was, in fact, the first major Halloween special and ergo, you know, birth of a genre, very significant. and often considered the best of the specials. But I'm with you, Dave. Like, the Christmas one, I think, is better. And I had forgotten it's the Easter Beagle, Charlie Brown, the continuing cynical leveraging of... Dave: [53:14] Yeah, there's a lot of them that we have forgotten as a culture. Yeah. Tara: [53:18] There are. Dave: [53:18] It's the Feast of the Epiphany, Charlie Brown. That was dumb. Sarah: [53:21] Yeah, it's Candlemas, Charlie Brown. Dave: [53:23] It's St. Women's Day, Charlie Brown. Sarah: [53:26] So, that is my first one. Tara, what is your first significant TV pumpkin or pumpkins? Tara: [53:32] Okay, well, the first two that I thought of were both from The Simpsons. So I decided to leave those aside on this theory that Dave was going to make them. So this was after The Simpsons, the third thing I thought of. So this is a clip from season one of 30 Rock. It's in the period when Liz has met Floyd, the Jason Sudeikis character, but they're sort of passing acquaintances at best in the hallways at 30 Rock. And there's a couple of episodes before they have significant contact with each other when they just like run into each other by chance. And clip one is one of those. I'm sorry, who died? Nobody. I have a date. Really? With that guy that. Tara: [54:34] Old leather pumpkin? That long silence was him being like, uh, I think you regret that. So I'm going to just not say anything as the elevator doors close on him because it's not worth repeating. Oh, that is my first important question mark TV pumpkin. Honestly, the third TV pumpkin that I thought of well before I thought of great pumpkin. Dave. Sarah: [55:04] Amazing. Dave: [55:05] I did pick all from The Simpsons. I have three. I will present them from least to most favored pumpkin reference. So here is number three. Still a strong contender. Tara: [55:15] Hey, Cannonball. I like your statement. When life takes a cheap shot at you, you stay on your ground. Billy Corgan smashing pumpkins. Homie Simpson smiling politely. You know, my kids think you're the greatest. Dave: [55:34] That's smashing pumpkins on the Simpsons on the Homer Palooza episode. Not true pumpkins, but spiritual pumpkins. Tara: [55:41] I forgot that one completely. Dave: [55:42] Yep. Back to Sarah. Sarah: [55:44] Love that. This was always first in my heart and soul. And it is, of course, the Punkin Chunkin World Championship coverage on the Science Channel from 2009 to 2016. In subsequent years, injuries to a producer, liability concerns on the home fields, and then the pandemic. Dave: [56:03] I don't know what you're talking about. You sound so excited that now I'm excited. Is this some sort of like trebuchet? Sarah: [56:09] I'm getting to it and there will be links in the show notes. Dave: [56:11] Oh, okay. You were saying it like everybody knew. I thought this was like a universal truth and I was just on the outside looking in like I wasn't invited to the party. So I apologize. Please continue. Sarah: [56:20] I mean, look, there are trebuchets involved. Dave: [56:23] I'm very excited. Sarah: [56:25] Many giant trebuchets. Dave: [56:27] Okay, let's go. Let's do it. Sarah: [56:28] That are distinct from catapults. Okay. Mythbusters personnel used to help host this event. There was a Road to the Chunk special that we watched every year in our house. Dan even has a vintage, I think I'm going to hurl, Chunk event t-shirt that he doesn't like wearing outside the house for some reason. I'm always like, I'll wear it. Basically, this event is mechanized pumpkin shot put. There are different categories like air cannon, catapult, trebuchet, youth human powered, so on and so forth basically you want the greatest possible distance on the pumpkin launch but the pumpkin has to leave the machine whatever the nature of that machine whole or it doesn't count they call this pulling a pie because it's pie in the sky haha and it's a dq the president as of 2006 of the pumpkin chunk frank slade who looks exactly like how you think he would look talks a little bit about how this lunacy got started in clip two. 1886, there were four guys. Tara: [57:34] Sitting around the local blacksmith shop discussing medieval games, specifically anvil tossing. They rapidly found out that I was rough on the back. Sarah: [58:27] Wow that's when you you know launch a pumpkin 6 000 feet this is definitely akin to certain olympic sports where you do not think about this shit at all if it is not on tv in front of you but when it is you are comfortable speaking authoritatively about it to each other on the couch within 90 seconds oh sure i get why they're no longer doing it it's frankly shocking to me that it lasted as long as it did without someone getting outright killed by a pumpkin or flying, debris. The machines are massive. Some of these misfires are legitimately scary, but if they ever found a way to bring it back and not totally defang it for safety reasons, I would watch the hell out of it. We miss it. I want Dave to get into it. Dave: [59:16] Yeah. Sarah: [59:17] That is my number two. I do have a couple of backups. Dave: [59:19] It really sounds like something that I really would have enjoyed. Unfortunately, I think this is the kind of programming that just falls in the sour spot for TV now where this is more of the upper echelon of people that are have big channels on YouTube right that can spend ten thousand dollars to destroy some pumpkins and we'll do that on their channel but like it's not quite cost efficient for a TV show because that kind of stuff people watch the internet now they don't really watch it on television so as a television show I don't think it's ever going to come back, but I will definitely seek out some vintage ones because that sounds great. Sarah: [59:54] Yeah. Tara: [59:55] My second pumpkin is from a Saturday Night Live Halloween episode from 2016. This was an episode hosted by Tom Hanks, and the conceit of the sketch is that a couple are in a haunted elevator. So there's a spooky kind of elevator operator, and every time he stops, the doors open and something scary is there to surprise them and eventually they end up on this floor clip two can i sleep in your bed tonight yeah, Pumpkins, man! Okay, yeah, yeah, and David Pumpkins is... His own thing. And the skeletons are... Part of it. Why are you. Dave: [1:01:01] A part of this ride? To do this. What? Sarah: [1:01:21] S pumpkins any questions yes several i mean what he has the middle initial now i am so in the weeds with david pumpkins don't. Dave: [1:01:32] Let david pumpkins ruin your night. Tara: [1:01:35] God so funny okay. Dave: [1:01:38] Here's here's a future tiny canon category contender i want to go back in time and watch it for the first time. Tara: [1:01:45] Yeah canon i don't watch saturday night live anymore and a lot of the reason is that it always has to start out with a sketch that looks like someone wrote it 16 minutes before they got to air and like walking to the set yes i know why they have to do the topical humor and whatever like everything doesn't have to be for me it should but it's not but it's Stuff like this where it's like you can get a glimpse of what a better show SNL would be if it wasn't A, live, and B, an hour and a half. It's so excessive. Like, if you could just write a bunch of dumb sketches like this over the summer and then shoot them, I mean, it would be more like all of the good sketch shows like I Think You Should Leave or Key and Beale. But anyway, occasionally a gem does come out of Saturday Night Live when they are allowed to do something completely stupid. And this was a beautiful example. We'll link the full sketch in the show notes. Dave. Dave: [1:02:41] All right. My silver medalist in our Simpsons pumpkin references is this one. Insert the retractor and crank it until the. Sarah: [1:02:50] Ribs swing open like a rusty drawbridge. No. Blood. Next, make an incision in the coronary artery. Dave: [1:03:23] That's the man who looks like a jack-o'-lantern. Tara: [1:03:25] And people. Dave: [1:03:26] That look like things including the teapot man uh the broom man i think was one of. Tara: [1:03:31] Them yes and. Dave: [1:03:32] And others as dr nick is trying to figure out how to do the surgery by watching a tv show where people are doing surgery but it got taped over by people who look like things and that is my silver medalist in the simpson pumpkins. Sarah: [1:03:46] Um yeah i didn't take that many backups because i was concerned that people were going to be cross-picking and i thought tara might take my last backup which was uh you know ray pruitt and all of his pumpkins. Tara: [1:04:00] Oh no pumpkins that he smashed nope on. Sarah: [1:04:03] Beverly hills 90210. Tara: [1:04:04] Among my runners-up i had katie holmes as the slutty pumpkin in the halloween episode of how i met your mother she's in a pumpkin outfit that has cutouts for you know with the eyes but they're over her boobs are hardy har har i mean it was important at the time but i think she's only in that one episode then there's also another simpsons thing so i'm gonna wait until dave finishes his list to see if it made it onto there but this is from news radio the episode bitch session where dave is under his desk picking something up and no one knows he's there when And they all come into his episode to do a reenactment, very mean, of what he's like in a meeting. And apparently they do this every single day. This is how Dave finds out because they don't know he's there. And he's very sad. And as the scene ends and everyone walks back out again, you just see his hand come up from under the desk as he grabs the phone and calls his mom and says he wants to come home. So after the commercial, he's telling the story to Mr. James in a restaurant. And we get this, clip three. Ouchie, wah-wah, that's got to hurt. Come home, pumpkin. A great episode of news radio that we should do for the canon at some point. It's one of my favorites. Back to Dave. Dave: [1:05:27] Simpsons number one. Ah. Sarah: [1:05:53] Investment? Take a guess. Uh, pumpkins? Yeah, that's right, Barney. Dave: [1:06:36] Yeah, Homer not realizing how pumpkins work on The Simpsons. Tara: [1:06:41] Would you believe, Dave, there's yet another Simpsons pumpkin clip? Dave: [1:06:45] No. Tara: [1:06:46] I didn't cut it, but it's the moment when Mrs. Glick, who lives next door, is getting ready to sell her house. And in order to beautify the neighborhood, she goes over to The Simpsons house with a few requests, such as stop being naked in your backyard and please clear out your jack-o'-lanterns from past Halloween's plural. And we get a shot of they scan across multiple years worth of very dead rotting jack-o'-lanterns on the Simpsons front step. Pumpkins! Dave: [1:07:16] And that is it for this episode of Extra Extra Hot Great. We hung out with the gators and hanging chads of this Florida man before answering your burning ask EHG question like is Citadel's foundational planning worse than jazz? Sarah was unsuccessful for the inaugural successful avoidance of finale casting spoilers tiny canon we celebrate those who weren't quite best and worst of the week and wrap it all up with a look at important tb pumpkins next up it's hysteria with pamela ribbon remember we're listening i am david t cole and on behalf of Tara Arellano. Tara: [1:07:58] Any questions? Dave: [1:08:00] And Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:08:02] It was like a bad first date. Dave: [1:08:04] Thanks for listening, everyone. And we'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra Hot Great.