Is It Time To Hit Snooze On The Morning Show?

Clip: [00:00] All hands on deck. How soon can we get going? Okay. We need to hit the ground running. Wardrobe test photo shoots, an exclusive with variety, make it big. UVN's brightest star back in orbit. Dave: [00:17] This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 580 for the week of September 15, 2025. I am Fuck Cluster David T. Cole, and I'm here with True Crime Obsessive with Wi-Fi, Sarah D. Bunting. Loathsome L. A. Phony Tara Ariano, and Chinatown creator for the post-truth era, Christina Tucker. Tara: [00:39] Let's do lunch. Christina: [00:45] I need Julia. Tara: [00:51] He better mean Julia Fox. Welcome to Extra Hot Great for another week. Joining us. She is a writer and podcaster. You've heard with us many times. It's Christina Tucker. Dave: [01:01] Welcome back, Christina. Tara: [01:02] Welcome back, Christina. Sarah: [01:02] Christina I mean, everyone is even more self-destructive and their hair looks even worse. Dave: [01:02] Yay! Christina: [01:05] Yeah, you know it's September. You're like, ooh, what's happening in the air? Are leaves turning? Is somewhere Christina watching the morning show? And yes, yes, my friends, I am. Tara: [01:15] That's right. I don't know if we would have covered the morning show if Christina could not join us for this, but she's here. So let's get into it. It's April 2024 on the Joe. And things at the post-merge UBN are tense. Stella, Greta Lee. Now, CEO is going hard after AI initiatives like translating Alex, Jennifer Aniston, into dozens of languages as part of their Olympics coverage, which everyone is hoping is going to be a ratings winner. AI proponent Ben, William Jackson Harper, seems like he could be a threat to Mia, Karen Pittman, and her long-delayed ascendance to head of news. No one knows who's going to replace Christine, Nicole Bahari, at the morning show T Kep when she's in Paris covering the games. The shows never match the ratings they used to get when the anchors were Alex and Mitch, except when they were Alex and Bradley, Rhys Witherspoon. Bradley's on TV anymore since the scandals she closed out season 3 with. No one knows where she is, but what if she came back? Season four premiered the very day this episode is dropping. We got access to eight of the season's 10 episodes, but we will be careful about spoilers from ones that have not dropped yet. Let's do the Chen check-in. Christina, should our listeners watch The Morning of Show Season 4? Christina: [02:28] Baby, it's me. Hell yeah. Let's go. Grip it and rip it, team. Tara: [02:33] Sarah. Sarah: [02:40] Fuck yes, you should watch it. Tara: [02:41] Okay, I have a question about that, so I'm glad you brought it up. Dave. Dave: [02:43] As dumb as ever. Of course, you should be watching it. Tara: [02:46] We got to the end of episode two, and I hooted and hollered so loud, one of our dogs jumped off the couch because he was afraid. So that tells you everything you need to know, I feel. Sarah: [02:57] Uh-huh. Tara: [02:57] Let's get into it. Let's start with the hair because Jennifer Aniston has a hair care line. Why does Alex's hair look so shitty? Sarah, you go first. Sarah: [03:06] I mean, is it supposed to make her relatable? I'm an executive now. You can see roots. No, no, no, no, no. This is not what Jennifer Anison content is for or about. I object. Rhys Witherspoon, of all people. Tara: [03:20] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [03:20] Like, why, after four seasons, does it look like it was dropped on her head from a fourth story window? Why? Like, even Corey has some low flow problems. I don't get it. Tara: [03:32] Mhm. Sarah: [03:32] This is not a cheap show. Tara: [03:34] Yeah. Sarah: [03:34] Why does everyone's hair look like shit? Tara: [03:36] Christina. Christina: [03:37] Yes, as the defense attorney for the morning show, I can say it's because I no, I have zero idea. Sure. I guess I could argue there could be some sort of like Alex is too busy running talent and doing question mark to, I don't know, get the roots dyed. Sarah: [03:53] Doing a report. Tara: [03:54] Right. Christina: [03:54] She only has one assistant. She used to have two. I don't know. There's a lot that could be there with the hair. Sarah: [04:00] Exactly. Christina: [04:03] But I will say, I was kind of, you know, every season I jump back in and I say, oh, do they still have it? Tara: [04:09] Mm-hmm. Christina: [04:09] And by it, I don't mean coherence or anything that narratively makes sense. Tara: [04:13] Right, no. Christina: [04:14] Mean, does it still look like a funhouse mirror of Prestige television? And I'm thrilled to announce that yes, it does. And I'm equally thrilled that I was watching these episodes and I was like, are you guys? Picking up plot points from like earlier episodes and making them relevant in later episodes are like I was like for all seasons, there's somehow relevant material. Tara: [04:29] From earlier seasons, even. Sarah: [04:32] Yeah. Dave: [04:36] What is this, the wire? Christina: [04:36] It was. I genuinely, and then I was kind of like, you are congratulating these people who make trillions of dollars on making this TV show. Just for doing the most simple, like requisite things. Tara: [04:49] Mm-hmm. Christina: [04:50] But I genuinely was, my friends and I were watching the first couple, and we were like, guys, hold up. Sarah: [04:50] Uh-huh. Dave: [04:54] Yeah. Christina: [04:55] Is this 10% closer to good than usual? Dave: [04:58] Yeah. It's like we finally house trained the morning show. We're so happy it didn't shit in the house. Sarah: [05:02] Yeah. Tara: [05:03] They're trying. Look, they're trying. Let's give them a present. Christina: [05:07] Yeah, like as you know, any Lost Cult fans will know, the third graders Who writes the morning show? I don't want to say they're in middle school quite yet, but we could be looking in fifth grade. Tara: [05:15] Mhm. Yeah, mhm. Sarah: [05:17] Mm-hmm. Tara: [05:18] Mhm. Christina: [05:18] We could be looking to graduate. Sarah: [05:18] Yep. Tara: [05:19] That seems fair. Dave: [05:20] Good show. Christina: [05:21] Yeah, I will say there are still simply too many characters. Dave: [05:25] Yes. Christina: [05:25] I don't know why. Tara: [05:25] Yes. Christina: [05:26] Every season, they're just like more. What if we have more people with new things that you don't care about? Dave: [05:31] Yes, I agree. You know, we do have this problem of the ever-expanding universe of the morning show. And usually, I will complain about that in a TV show when the TV show For whatever reason, you know, there are actually real life bonds between creators and actors. They don't want to let them go, even though. Their story has come to a logical end. Their usefulness to the show has come to a logical end. But yet they're on the next season. They're shoehorned in. They don't really feel like they fit. Usually, I complain about that. But in this show, the chaos and unruliness that it brings, I feel like might work for it sometime. So I'm not as mad at the morning show for doing it. Christina: [06:10] It is certainly part of the secret sauce. And there are some, you know, Jeremy Irons kind of sauntering in, and I assume being given simply no lines. Dave: [06:15] Yes. Christina: [06:18] They were just like, Jeremy, do you? Dave: [06:19] Yeah. Sarah: [06:21] Yeah, I think so. Christina: [06:22] Like, it's mm-hmm. Sarah: [06:24] More Klaus More Klaus. Christina: [06:27] I mean, just having him stand in front of a that That blackboard that said, like freedom versus free speech or whatever. I said, This is my, this is my show. This is what TV should look like. Tara: [06:38] Mm-hmm. I agree. Sarah: [06:39] That is the most demented. I mean, well, maybe not. Jane Lynch, as Pacey Witter's mom, was pretty demented, but this was absolutely the least credible parent child. Pairing Yeah Absolutely, absolutely no basis for this in anything we know about Anyone on or off screen. Christina: [06:53] Yeah, no visual looks match on that. It did make me say, I guess that's why she married a British guy, but I think that was about it. Tara: [06:59] Mhm. Dave: [07:00] And just in case you haven't wash, but you're listening, it's Jennifer Anderson is supposed to be his daughter in the show. Tara: [07:01] Yeah. Christina: [07:07] Yes. Sarah: [07:15] And for that reason, like Dave was saying, like the chaos of it is so, like, even Jennifer Aniston in that one scene was like, what? Wait, oh, he's my dad? Huh. Okay, so how do I play that? Tara: [07:28] Uh-huh. Sarah: [07:30] And there's just no one on the set to even tell her. They're just like, whatever, dude, the check cleared. Do what you feel. Tara: [07:36] Mm-hmm. Christina: [07:36] Jeremy quite literally probably said the same. Sarah: [07:39] I should hate that I don't. Christina: [07:42] It works. It's part of the special magic. That is this television program is that it largely is people having strange conversations in rooms that are weird looking. Tara: [07:54] Mhm. Christina: [07:54] And with really stilted dialogue. Dave: [07:56] Yeah. Tara: [07:56] Yes. Christina: [07:56] And you're kind of just like, yeah, that's perfect. Thank you so much. And to give us even more love, they said, why don't we go ahead and throw in an Olympiad who wants a defect? Tara: [08:06] Yes. Well, we'll get to that because for the morning show to do its take on actual recent history, I would say has always been its worst choice. But when I saw April 2024 come up at the start of the season's first episode, I was so dispirited. Christina, were you ready to go back there? Or would you, like me, prefer that they just focus on stories about people that did not actually live in our world? Like the defector sure For sure. Christina: [08:30] I would prefer that, though they have historically never done that. So I'm like I have learned to stop hoping from For that, from them. And I will say, if this is like a, you know, morning show versus the newsroom, I'll take the morning show's version over what the newsroom was doing any day. Sarah: [08:45] Mm-hmm. Christina: [08:47] There are moments where I'm like, guys, what are we talking about? Sarah: [08:47] Mm-hmm. Christina: [08:53] Like, what are we? But again, it's part of the magic. It doesn't necessarily track ever, but it needs to be there, unfortunately. Sarah: [09:00] Yeah. Tara: [09:02] I'm scared for what happens when they get to Kamala Harris. Truly, I don't, this is not what I want to see them talk about at all. Sarah: [09:10] No. Christina: [09:10] Yeah, no, no, it's not. And you know, I will say. There's not a ton of political conversation on this season. So it's a lot of AI. Dave: [09:22] There's a lot of old man in the writing room energy with the plots, for sure. Sarah: [09:26] Yeah, deep fakes. Tara: [09:26] Mm-hmm. Dave: [09:27] Yeah. Sarah: [09:28] Have you guys heard? Well, yes, but okay, go ahead. Christina: [09:32] Deep fakes that are like, Have you heard of this Horrible, mind-boggling problem that is absolutely real and is taking over and really is a problem that should be talked about. It's handled in three seconds, though. We're not going to mention it. Sarah: [09:42] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Christina: [09:44] Perfect. Amazing stuff. Tara: [09:48] So after the investigation into Corey's possible misconduct with Bradley, he is tarnished even though he was cleared, we're told. He has moved to LA. He's trying to get back to his former status in the industry by producing a movie. Can we agree this is the most compelling storyline of the early season? I'll start with Dave because I know he loves Corey like I do. Dave: [10:09] Sure. Yeah, we got a little um The player gets shorty action happening on the side where he's trying to make this movie that he's not really ideally positioned to make it go. And he managed to get so far, and then the actress quits on him because. Tara: [10:25] It's a shit show and he doesn't know what he's doing. Dave: [10:27] Yeah, yeah, the orange fires of 2024 sort of are the catalyst for all of that. So To see Corey being squeezed from all sides is the perfect scenario because that is when he comes out to shine, is when he can turn this shitty piece of coal into somehow a diamond. So that is the perfect storyline for him. And getting back to how everybody is laminated, to use a baking term that I learned from Great British Bake Off. Into the plot over and over again, even though they should be miles and lives away from everybody else by now. The way that somehow he is brought instantly back into the network fold. For reasons is like one of the joys of the show. You're like, really? I mean, one, really? Two, that fast? Like, they put him off to the side, and then halfway through the first episode, he's wormed his way back right into the network. Tara: [11:21] He only had one taco from a taco truck and he's already back in New York. Dave: [11:21] I was like, Delicious, yes. Tara: [11:25] New York. Yeah. Christina: [11:27] I was literally just going to say Corey continues to slay and continues to slay honestly all season. Like, this is kind of a banger season for him. Unfortunately, Billy's doing it all for me again, I think. Dave: [11:37] Yeah, well when the show eventually dies and they try to figure out how to make it live on, it's the Corey show. Sarah: [11:37] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dave: [11:42] And he actually finally moves to LA to do this for real. Christina: [11:43] Yeah. Dave: [11:45] And it's just sort of like a Hollywood take and an LA take on things instead of a New York take on. Christina: [11:48] Yeah. Dave: [11:50] Things are not a good thing. Christina: [11:50] If it involves him calling by first name actresses like Julia, Kate, Demi, and saying no more, I will be so happy. Give me all of that you got. Dave: [12:01] Captioning came in handy there because we knew it was a Kate with a C. Tara: [12:04] Yes, that was the Kate they meant. Sarah: [12:06] And also, he had a list that was written down in the year of our Lord 2024. Tara: [12:11] With cross outs, this was a feature that we used to do on Fame Tracker, RIP, where it was like who you want, who you get. Sarah: [12:12] Perfect. Tara: [12:18] Because sometimes there's a movie that comes along where you're like, none of these roles were played by anyone's first choice. Dave: [12:22] Yeah. You want Harrison for you got Dennis Quaid. Christina: [12:25] Mhm. Sarah: [12:26] Dennis Quaid. Christina: [12:27] Yeah. Sarah: [12:28] It's always Dennis Quaid. Tara: [12:30] There's a m there's a movie called Timeline. That has like a tertiary Sutherland in it that no one's ever heard of, who's like in murder of a small in a small town now. But that guy, it's like, okay, he's not even your first choice of Sutherland. Anyway, I digress. Sarah: [12:43] Mm-hmm. Dave: [12:44] Doug Tholomew. Tara: [12:47] You're studying journalism. Your instructor's Bradley Jackson. What do you do, Christina? Christina: [12:53] Okay, as a person who attended not one, but two community colleges, a couple of notes. Tara: [12:57] Okay. Christina: [12:58] Everyone in that classroom was under 20. Where is an old man taking that class as an audit? Simply because he wants to, whereas a divorced woman trying to fit that in in her early morning, just claw. Tara: [13:09] Mhm. Yes. Christina: [13:11] So, what is the funding for that community college? Hello. Tara: [13:13] Mm-hmm. Christina: [13:14] But I did think that I was like, you know what? That's the one place I could see Bradley teaching at a community college. That makes sense to me. That her blend of idealism and passion simply is for children. Tara: [13:25] Mm-hmm. Christina: [13:27] And not the newsroom. But the morning show said, mm-mm. Because if you remember, apparently the three and a half weeks that Alex and Bradley hosted The Morning Show together were the best of their entire run. Tara: [13:41] Mhm. Christina: [13:41] So she has to come back. Tara: [13:42] Yeah. Christina: [13:43] And guys, we have to talk about this. This is incredibly important. How much money did they spend to license that much of alligator tears for this pilot? That is a Beyonce song from Cowboy Carter when Bradley is. Sarah: [13:59] Yeah. Christina: [14:00] I Literally, just stood. I stared at the screen in shock. Guys, that's shocking. And it does, you do understand why they spent that much money, and you do see the results of that in the rest of the Not the music sounds like selling sunset and basically the rest of the season, but it was one of the nuttier things I've ever seen. Tara: [14:15] Yeah. Christina: [14:17] And I just had to get that on the record because it's on, unfortunately, it's on Call Me Corey Allison. Tara: [14:19] I appreciate it. Christina: [14:22] It's on my little jotted sheet of paper. So. Sarah: [14:25] I mean, that would explain why there's no money for anything else, including a comb. Tara: [14:29] Right. Christina: [14:31] No combs. Sarah: [14:31] So. Tara: [14:31] Mhm. Christina: [14:32] We have money for alligator tears and actors. Dave: [14:35] Did you guys clock what Celine's last name was? Did they mention it on the show? Because I looked it up on the cast list. I'm like, oh, of course. Tara: [14:42] Dumont, I Yeah, it's a shout out to Dan Rogie. Dave: [14:43] Dumont. Yeah. Come on, show Jesus. Hello, this is Celine CBS. Yeah, this is Shadow Day. Tara: [14:52] That was a joke just for him only. Dave: [14:53] Yeah. Tara: [14:54] We've already touched on one of the most memorably crazy casting choices of the season, Jeremy Irons, of course. Christina: [15:02] Woo! Tara: [15:02] Let's get into the rest of the new class because we've got a couple of them and a couple of who's. Let's start with Celine, played by noted moon landing skeptic as well as Oscar winner Marion Cotillard. Dave: [15:14] Is that right? Tara: [15:15] Yes, it is. Dave: [15:15] Excellent. Christina: [15:16] Yeah, thank you. Tara, thank you. I am similarly always like, oh, of course, she was probably talking about how the moon didn't exist, the moon landing didn't happen. Tara: [15:22] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [15:23] Mm-hmm. Dave: [15:23] Sacrible, Paired it with Aaron. Tara: [15:24] Sarah, what did you think of her? Sarah: [15:26] I thought she was well cast. I also remembered the moon landing thing. I was like, oh, premiere Mondo 2000 subscriber, Marion Coltiard. She was fine. I mean, I think the appeal of this show is that you get a lot of like they plate the scenery really well for you to chew on it. And she gets to do that. But they never go too far. Like, there is a respect in the derangement of the writing for the heavy hitters that they have on the screen. And it's like, well, if she wants to literally twirl her mustache, we're going to let her do that. But she is who she is. So it'll probably. Feel considered and thoughtful, and she'll make it seem better written than it is because she's her and also French accent. But, like, it's still bad. Like, they polish up a turd pretty good, but that's still what it is. So, but that's what we love again. Christina: [16:19] Yeah. That is, that's the magic. Tara: [16:22] I thought her hair looked good, I'll say. Sarah: [16:23] Mhm. Yes, it did. Christina: [16:24] Oh, her hair looks incredible. I also thought it was really inspirational that she sat like she simply doesn't have a working spine. Everything is slouching. She's always leaning. I was like, oh, be more friendly. I can't get enough of that. Tara: [16:36] Mhm. Christina: [16:37] I mean, of course, we have, you know, our very surprise reveal in the first episode. Is it the first? It is the first episode that we discover. Tara: [16:42] Yes, it's the first episode I checked. Christina: [16:44] Okay, great. So we can discuss the Stella sleeping with her husband, who I forgot about that. Tara: [16:46] Mm-hmm. Yep, Green Lantern. Future Green Lantern. Mm-hmm. Christina: [16:53] That took me out a little bit. So sorry. Yes, which was also just kind of like a surprise reveal and a new way of characterizing a character that we've had on this show for quite some time, Arstella. And I was like, this doesn't really track with anything I've ever. Known about her as a person, but I wouldn't say it was like her regular sleeping choice of person. Tara: [17:08] Yeah. I don't want to say anything about anything, but the woman who spent her entire first season on the show in like elevated athleisure is not someone I thought slept with men. I'll just say it. So. Uh-huh. Christina: [17:24] I would not say she'd be reaching for that on the regular, but this also. I should feel I do feel kind of contractually obligated to say this is kind of like the straightest season of the morning show since season one. Tara: [17:32] Mm. Mm-hmm. Christina: [17:34] And I don't know if for them that's like, well, we have to go back to Prestige Television. So. Tara: [17:38] Right. Christina: [17:38] It's got to be straighter, but yeah, no, Stella, to me, I always kind of assumed had some sort of queerness. Tara: [17:39] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Dave: [17:45] I want to say Aaron Pierce because of his eyes, but it's Aaron Pierre. Tara: [17:48] Yes, that's his name. Christina: [17:49] Yes, Aaron Pierre. Dave: [17:50] Just so they can have the most striking features sex scene in the history of television. Sarah: [17:54] Mhm. Christina: [17:55] And they do. I wish they had added chemistry to it, but I was glad that they are so pretty to look at. Tara: [17:58] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [17:59] Yeah. Christina: [18:02] I said, that's nice. You know, like art in a museum can be nice. Sarah: [18:04] Yeah. Christina: [18:06] I said, that's nice. Sarah: [18:08] I was annoyed that they sold the character out in this way, not with that part of it. Like, seemed to be having a good time. Okay. Tara: [18:16] Mhm. Sarah: [18:16] Not sure why she couldn't have just boned Mia instead. They have 10 times more chemistry, but I mean, yeah, I just feel There was sort of a like evil glinting to Stella that I enjoyed. Tara: [18:21] Yeah. Christina: [18:22] Yeah. Tara: [18:23] Or Selene, for that matter. Christina: [18:29] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [18:30] And this is just not that. It's just like, and you could sort of see the actress realizing also that she's like, oh. They're doing that thing that they do where chaos dictates my actions and not logic. Tara: [18:43] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [18:43] But at the same time, she's wearing a David Byrne suit jacket, and I'm not here for it. Christina: [18:49] Her suits are gigantic this season. Sarah: [18:52] Yes, they are. Tara: [18:52] They really are. Christina: [18:52] They only get larger. Tara: [18:54] Well, we can skip over William Jackson Harper because the show kind of did too. I mean, for all the trouble of getting someone people recognized, he was really short-changed, I thought. But we can't go on to our next segment without talking about Boyd Holbrook as the host of a Manosphere podcast that is on UBN now because. You can have him host a Manosphere show, or you can call him Bro, as in Bro Hartman, that's his name, but not both, I feel. Christina: [19:21] It can't be both. It can't be both. Also, his vibe is all wrong. His vibe's all wrong. And I know why his vibe is all wrong. I know they're trying to set up this thing with Alex. I get it. I see what they're doing. I watch TV, you know? But he, this man, he doesn't exist. What do you mean he's saying that Bill Gates created COVID, but also he's capable of having like adult human conversations with a woman? Like, this is not. Tara: [19:43] Yeah. Christina: [19:44] What? No. Like, no, this guy, he can be that guy, but he doesn't, he can't be as bad as they're trying to paint him to be in this kind of context. Sarah: [19:46] Yeah, no. Christina: [19:54] And it's just. It's just baffling. Also, because Alex is already kind of their Joe Rogan. So, like, why did we need another one? Like. Sarah: [20:01] Yeah. Dave: [20:01] Either you sell supplements or you know your Olympic history. You can't do both. Clip: [20:11] Got a lot of shows. It's a great time for shows. Dave: [20:15] It is time to go around the dial. First up, Tara, what do you got? Tara: [20:19] The apparently unkillable Futurama is back for its third season of new episodes on Hulu. I read somewhere or other and then I couldn't find it again, but that producers were joking about finally outliving the platform they were on, given that Hulu is being sunsetted next year. I think one could all argue they also outlived Comedy Central, but anyway. For me, the last season went too heavy on heavy episodes. There was one about Leela getting too dependent on her AI chatbot friend, and another one about the environmental costs. Of fast fashion, but this season has mostly lightened up, which is good. There's unfortunately an election episode that hinges on a Pizzagate joke, which for me is A, not that funny, and B, extremely not fresh. It's been nine years. The one about how Leela's navigating her relationship with her parents. That's a different episode. Not the Pizzagate one. Now and how Zoidberg unexpectedly complicates That relationship was the funniest, I thought, and the sweetest of the season. This was the first time Hulu released the whole season's worth of screeners ahead of dropping them. This is also going to be the first season it's dropping them all at once. I wouldn't say season 13 is a total return to form because they do keep wanting to do contemporary commentary, even though their lead time on episodes is probably about two years. Seriously, there was an NFT episode last year, like way after anyone was still talking or caring about those, but That's a problem. I would say the show's fine but unmemorable. I'm pretty sure that's not true of The Simpsons, probably, at this point. So, good job to everyone at Futurama and to everyone at The Simpsons. Please stop. It's enough. You can read my review where I go into that in more detail. I also watched all three plus hours of aka Charlie Sheen, the Charlie Sheen documentary on Netflix, and wrote about How extremely boring it and he are. Sarah: [22:01] Oh, boy. Tara: [22:08] So, we'll link to both of those in the show notes. Dave: [22:11] All right, Christina, what have you been watching on T V recently people need to know about Uh huh? Christina: [22:15] Y'all, did y'all watch Rivals on Hulu? Tara: [22:18] Yes. Christina: [22:19] Cause that was a dang blast. Dave: [22:20] Are you talking about Sexy Morning Show? Christina: [22:23] Yeah. Well, you let's you know what? You you know, I actually have to reflect on that. I do love network television, turns out, like in all contexts. Yes, Rivals, a Hulu period comedy/slash drama slash romance set in the 80s. It's based on a Dame Julie Cooper novel. Of the same title, which say it with me, I also read. Tara: [22:44] Oh, damn. Christina: [22:46] And it is just the show is simply a hoot and a holler. The book is two, but the book is, you know, very being written in the 80s and filming something set in the 80s filmed in today's times, quite different vibe-wise. There is a lot of sex, but honestly, you should really know that this show is more about like infighting and public broadcasting networks than like you may have ever thought existed. Like, I had to pause a couple of times and be like, hold up. What are you people talking about? How does TV work in England? Dave: [23:17] Yeah, uh-huh. Christina: [23:18] And I had to do some research. Dave: [23:19] Why does everybody want a license? Yeah. Christina: [23:22] Everybody's got a license. And we have all of like we have a charming, you know, village, a fake shire in England. We've got a retired Olympian show jumper who's like our resident bad boy. He's a notorious womanizer. He falls in love with like a 19-year-old. It's the 80s. It's so fun. David Tennants being a baddie again. We've got a very charming love story with like two of the older folks in the cast, Katherine Parkinson and Dandy Dyer. It's just a charming little show. It's a lot of fun. Surprisingly dramatic and silly, and a little dark, but kind of just a rip, roar, and ride. There's only eight episodes. Dave: [24:00] Yeah. Christina: [24:01] I cruised through it, couldn't get enough. Dave: [24:03] Extremely snackable show. Christina: [24:04] Bring me back. Dave: [24:06] Yeah. Sarah: [24:06] Mm, love that. Dave: [24:07] Mhm. Tara: [24:07] Dave and I differed because I said I would have wanted a full like 80s dynasty length season of this. Like, give me 32 episodes of rivals. I'll settle for 12 in season two. Dave: [24:18] And I was saying, but then you get all the padding, and Rivals was a really lean show, I thought. Tara: [24:20] Don't care about the material. Dave: [24:23] Like they yeah. Sarah: [24:23] Shoulder padding. Christina: [24:25] Yeah, it just I had a grand time. Dave: [24:27] Well, careful what you wish for, Tara. Christina: [24:27] Woohoo. Tara: [24:29] Well, we'll see when the next season is half again as long. Dave: [24:32] Well, that sounds too short for sure. All right, Christina, where can people find out more about you in the Internet? Christina: [24:38] You can find more about me on the internet at if you're on that platform called twitter. com in my brain. It is you can find me at c underscore gracet. You can find me at Blue Sky in the same handle, and you can also subscribe to my morning show recaps, which are coming back for season four. Tara: [24:55] Whoop woo! Sarah: [24:57] Ooh. Christina: [24:58] Honestly, genuinely inspired by the Television Without Pity long forum recaps of old. So we go, we go, we live. Sarah: [25:03] Aww. Tara: [25:03] Bless you. Christina: [25:06] And that's Chaos is the new cocaine. That's at substack. com. Dave: [25:13] Sarity Bunting Downtown Abbey If you haven't gone to the theaters immediately to watch Downton Abbey, first of all, what's wrong with you? Sarah: [25:14] Speaking of unkillable. It's the weakest link. Celebrity weakest link is back. If, like me, you can't really hang with most game shows because there's so much stalling and dead air in them, the weakest link is a solid dir choice for you. There's still some corny theme jokes and get to know you garbage I would happily cut in favor of gameplay, but it's not as bad in that regard as most. And if you rack up a few episodes to do crafts in front of on a weekend, you will know when to fast forward through that stuff. Or which episodes might not be as much for you. The season premiere this time out was Second Tier Glee Cast. I believe next week is T V Moms. Maybe that's more or less your jam. Jane Lynch is still hosting. She is less irritating and self-conscious at the podium than I remember her being. I'm a little bummed that one contestant wrongly answered Dawson's Creek. On a question, and she was not prompted to share that she played Pacy's mom. I don't know why this keeps coming up in this episode, but maybe she just wants to forget that weird off-label casting, and I don't blame her because it was really off-label. Tara: [26:21] I bet she does not remember she did that, personally. Sarah: [26:25] I almost forgot myself. In all, this version is better than I recall it being. It still, of course, is not going to touch the hem of the all-hip-hop episodes garment from 2002. P. S. Oh my fucking God, that episode can drink alcohol. Talk to you guys later. I have to take a nap in traffic, but while I'm gone, check the show notes because I linked that hip-hop episode. It is fun as hell. Nate Dogg was the best. R. I. P. Speaking of fun as hell, I went on 1999 the podcast last week to talk about the Pierce Brosnan Thomas Crown affair. That was also a blast, and we will link that in the show notes as well. Tara: [27:05] Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap. Dave: [27:13] Second of all, skip ahead because here come some spoilers for that. The last ever Downton Abbey, single tier said. Overall, I enjoyed it. There is a subplot where basically they have to economize because the world's changing. And they have to swap their big London house for basically a big London flat. And Lord Grantham goes with Mary to check it out. And he is just befuddled by the concept of people living in an apartment building. Tara: [27:44] Mm-hmm. Dave: [27:45] And once in a while he gets an absolutely fantastic turn of phrase. My absolute favorite from the show is there's something a little johnny foreigner about him. This one was pretty good too, describing an apartment building as a layer cake of strangers. Tara: [27:58] Mm-hmm. Dave: [27:59] Which is great. Tara: [28:00] Yeah. Dave: [28:01] But here's a movie where the big, I would say, high-stakes endeavor, beyond this weird money con artist, which I'll get to in a sec. Tara: [28:10] Mm-hmm. Dave: [28:11] Really is county fair organizational drama. Tara: [28:14] And in that respect, it's exactly like the show. Dave: [28:17] It's exactly what you want. Tara: [28:18] It's exactly what you want. Dave: [28:20] There is another storyline that's supposed to be like a bigger, more important one, where the Paul Giamatti brother character comes back from America having lost. All the money he almost didn't lose in the crash. But then there's this guy. We learned that he's a confidence artist, and he took all the money. There's a chance meeting between Tom and somebody, and he's like, You know, that guy's a car notice, right? And Tom's like, I will immediately tell all the crawleys about this. And then they're like, All right, well, go away, please. And that's the end of it. Tara: [28:49] They they just confront him, yes. Dave: [28:51] But that's like the end of Act Two. So all during Act Three, you're like checking your watch for the comeuppance scene where somehow they Do a reverse grift on this guy to get the money back or something like that. Tara: [28:58] Yeah. Mhm. Dave: [29:03] Never happens. He just scuttles away with the brothers' money forever. Tara: [29:06] Not only that, it's Edith is the one to confront him, which like her, but also whatever, sh that's fine, I guess. Dave: [29:12] But they gave her some spine in this one. Tara: [29:14] They did. Dave: [29:14] Like, yeah. Tara: [29:15] No, it's it's for yes. Edith has come a long way now that she's a Martianess. But like she's just like, you're gonna Fuck off. And if you don't, I'm going to out you to all of the contacts you just made. And it's like, well, wait a minute. Aren't you then saying he's free to go and grift them if he wants? You're just not going to tell them. Dave: [29:32] Not her problem. Tara: [29:32] I mean, I guess don't tell the lady that kicked. Mary out of her party because Mary is divorced. Dave: [29:36] That's right. Tara: [29:39] But, you know, everyone else doesn't deserve to get grifted as much as Jolie Richardson does, that bitch. Dave: [29:41] Yep. I'm good at Car Guy. Tara: [29:46] Yeah. Dave: [29:47] Got divorced from Mary. Tara: [29:48] He already wasn't in the previous movie, so this was not a surprise. Dave: [29:50] Right. Tara: [29:51] This Matthew Goode. Dave: [29:51] Fucked up her life because that's the way it is, and then she's having trouble. Tara: [29:53] Yeah. Dave: [29:55] But then it all dovetails nicely where she is accepted at the pig parade festival. Tara: [30:02] The pig parade. Yeah, she rides a pig to victory. Dave: [30:04] And everything works out nicely. Tara: [30:07] It's great. Dave: [30:07] Yeah. And then there's everybody gets their little tiny vignette, and then we're done. Tara: [30:12] Mhm. Dave: [30:12] Sad that this is the end of it. Like, there is no reason why this couldn't go on every two and a half to three years until all of them die in the London Blitz, which is my headcanon. Tara: [30:17] Absolutely. Yes. Sarah: [30:21] Mhm. Tara: [30:22] Yeah, for sure. Sarah: [30:23] Yeah. Dave: [30:24] They're all in their little flat for some reason, even though they got this giant estate out in the country where the bombs are dropping. Sarah: [30:24] Mhm. Tara: [30:29] Yeah. Dave: [30:29] I don't know why they're there. Nice party, perhaps. And then blamo! All the crawleys are dead. That's when it should have ended. Tara: [30:36] Yeah. Anyway, delightful. Dave: [30:38] Yep. Tara: [30:38] I'm ready to go see it again, honestly. Dave: [30:39] Kind of. Tara: [30:40] Well, we can go again. We've got that's why we get Alamo Pass for. Dave: [30:44] Here's what's coming up: an extra extra hot grade this Friday. We're going to be returning to high potential, the checkout season two, plus a whole lot more available to. Club members, go to extrahotgreat. com/slash club for more info and to sign up and then come back here. ESG Prime in one week's time. We'll be talking about the lowdown. Welcoming back Patrick Monaghan for that one. It is time for the extra hot great canon presenting this week. It is Margaret. Take it away, Margaret. Clip: [31:19] My Canon submission is an episode called The Big Four O, seventh episode from season two of a show Uh how should I put this? Now, this is a submission, so right about now. One ep gets a comprehensive shout out and breakdown. I'd like to take a few minutes, so sit right there. Extra hot grade? Let's think about the queen of Belair. First, I'd like to acknowledge a debt to black writers like Danielle Young, Nikisha Campbell, and Lovey Ajayi-Jones, who have written about the 90s cultural touchstone that is the fresh prince of Belair and this episode in particular. There are lots of things we associate with the OG fresh prints the mainstreaming of hip hop culture, the stylish fits, Jazzy Jeff being flung out the door, but primarily it's remembered as Will Smith's launch pad towards Megastardom. Pre-Fresh Prince, as all 90s kids know, Will Smith was more like a recipe for a fifteen minutes of fame contender. He probably won a Grammy for parents just don't understand Then he quickly went bankrupt. It was this show that revived his career. While Smith has kind of sowed his own legacy, remember, he was arguably the biggest movie and pop star in the world for a minute. In the words of Willologist Shay Serrano, he was among the six coolest people on the planet. If you want to know how he did this on the back of a sitcom created by the man behind The Borrowitz report, check out the opening scene of this episode. It's Will pumping iron in the backyard. He puffs with exertion, then when his cousin Ashley asks him if he's busy, he says not really and tosses her the light as a feather dumbbell. It's a literal throwaway joke but a glimpse at his impeccable comic gifts. Ashley asks Will if he thinks she should go out for cheerleading trials, and we get a classic Fresh Prince bit, Clip One Yo, back in Philly, the girls had this cheer, right? That yo really got the crowd hype. They used to be like this. They said, we beat them. We dissed them. We kicked their butt good. But that was kind of stupid, y'all. We in their neighborhood. But it's not Will Smith that's the main subject of this canon presentation. he wasn't the only factor in making it such a success. The Fish Out of Water concept, immortalized in the show's theme song, puts Streets Heavy Will in the home of the wealthy Banks family. It meant the show's creators got the opportunity to show off some high-end production design. From costume to here in makeup, everyone on the show looked fantastic. You would tune in just to see what Hilary Banks was wearing that week. It's a brown off the shoulder number. And she arrives with a shopping bag to show Ashley, Will, and her brother Carlton the gift that she bought her mother, Will's aunt Viv, for her 40th birthday. Cut to. Well, I spent the entire day shopping for the perfect gift for us to give Mother, but it was worth the sacrifice. She is going to love it. Ta-da! Oh, no, wait, that's for me. Oops, for me again. Here it is. Hilary, what's the matter with you, girl? I gave you two weeks seller and you got a potholder? Hilary has bought her mother an ultra short skirt. What she doesn't know is that Viv is freaking out about the birthday, about aging, and about her looks. Clip three. Happy birthday! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here, Hilary Sweetie, these are for you. I don't think short skirts are appropriate for me anymore. Mother, I've been meaning to talk to you about how you look in diamonds. Now, if the Fresh Prince premise is a metatex on Will Smith's own career to that point. a cocky Philly teen who was suddenly launched into a different world of wealth and who got a second chance. Consider the role of Aunt Viv, notoriously recast in season four, where Janet Hubert was replaced by Daphne Maxwell Reed. If you're unaware of this bit of fresh print's law, Hubert was for a long time considered the only person in the industry who openly disliked Will Smith. She self published a memoir called Perfection is not a sitcom mom, about her struggles after leaving the show and the clashes that she had with Smith. There's an incredibly bitchy review of the book by Nathan Rabin that snarks that Hubert tries to make the reader hate Will Smith. There are few figures in American life less controversial and more beloved than Will Smith. His reputation is pristine. He's Teflon. Uh that review is from twenty eleven. Anyway Viv is now bolstered by pep talk from Uncle Phil, and she walks into her birthday party in a sequin slip dress. Her children regard her with barely disguised horror. She looks amazing And she's determined to have a good time at the party thrown in her honour. She even laughs through her children and nephews' special presentation, clip four. Hold on, y'all, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, now see, a lot of people make jokes about being 40, but we're not living like that here, you know, 'cause 40 ain't old. If you're a giant sequoia Oops, did I say life? I meant gum disease. 40 is just the beginning. The beginning of the end! Okay, so the jokes and the fresh prints tend to have punchlines that were tied when God was a boy. But the car sold the hell out of them. And as sad as Viv is when all the candles on her cake suffer fire alarm, yes, the kind of joke that shows up in discount store greeting cards By the next day she's upbeat, arriving in the kitchen with a big announcement for her family. She's going to pursue her lifelong dream of being a dancer. Here, real life and fiction intersect again. Hubert was a dancer. In fact, she was in the original Broadway cast of Cats. And while later she became punchlined for going up against the cultural force that was the Willenium Her portrayal of Aunt Viv has grown to be cherished, and whenever people gather to praise the first Aunt Viv, they mention this episode, and they mention it because of what happens next. At her first dance class, Viv struggles to keep up. She's been psyched out by these two snippy white girls. Clip five So anyway, last summer I was in a chorus line And Oklahoma. Really? I was in Westside Story, Gypsy, and My Fair Lady. Really? Actually, the last thing I was in was the supermarket. Viv doesn't give up, though, and she lets her family know it. There's an audition coming up in three weeks, and she's going to work her ass off for it. Cut to the Audition, led by choreographer Romel Rowe, who, like Janet Hubert, appeared in Bob Fossey's show Dancing. He selects four dancers to try out To the visible scorn of the very same snippy white girls from the previous dance class, Viv takes the floor, wearing a head to toe, shell pink, skin tight leotard. Hit it, Rumel. Clip six But I'm more than done now! All right, ready? Here you go. Five, six, five, six, seven, eight. If you haven't seen the clip. It has over six million views on YouTube. The dancing is great, you cannot take your eyes off Viv. And at the end, she walks past those white girls and snaps them out. It is a snap for the ages. Credit also to Hubert for delivery of the Stinger, where she waltzes out of the studio and collapses on the floor. Of course, she gets a role. Of course, she doesn't take it. She has her family, her books. and a love of Hagendas ice cream to pursue. But for under a minute, the first arm Viv is a star of the show. When you consider this Canon's submission, please do not dwell on my terrible rapping but on this episode's representation of a sitcom family matriarch as a fully realized human about the character of the complex and classy first aren't viv about the use of dance and music, which was a trademark of the French Prince, but mostly relish that snap Americans love a winner. Tara: [39:05] Thank you, Margaret. Christina, you selected this. Please start us off. Christina: [39:09] I selected this episode because I saw it and I said, oh, that needs to be in the canon. That's when Aunt Viv is Aunt Viv. Like, hello. And I honestly feel like there's. Almost nothing else to say. Like, what else could be said? Did you, do you, I know you all saw that dance number in your head as you heard everybody dance now. Sarah: [39:28] Mm-hmm. Christina: [39:29] And I was really thrilled. That this listener mentioned, my favorite part of the clip is really when she collapses to the ground. Her timing is so good, she's so relieved. It's just like such a full encapsulation of the moment. The episode itself is also charming. There's that like energy of like the kids making fun of her for getting old and like that, like, yeah, that's Part of like being a kid is like you're making fun of your like mom for this kind of stuff, and it does affect her, but she like understands you don't really mean it. But like, it's just, I don't know, man, this is really one of the best episodes. I MO, and I was really thrilled to hear it. Um, be recommended for the canon and everybody dance now because I say viv. Dave: [40:09] It was a great presentation. Tara: [40:10] Yes, absolutely. Dave: [40:10] Yeah. Tara: [40:12] Sarah, why don't you go next? Sarah: [40:14] I'd seen this dancer teen a hundred times, probably. What a pleasure it is to look at not just the dancer team, but just, oh my God, the The nineties were such a buffet for the eyes, often sickening and not in the good way, but not here. I don't think I realized how sort of like old school cat skills corny the show could be. But it sort of reminded me of cheers in almost no other way except this that like you can see where it's going because the Beats are fairly predictable, but it often zags instead of zigging to get where it's going. And I was quite impressed by the confidence of the build. It is not quite like her whole, like, I'm going to, you know, relive my dance dreams, and then sort of returning to the life that she had so that the show can reset for the next episode. Of course, that's what's going to happen, but you're not necessarily expecting the route that it takes. And it was quite gratifying. I mean, Will Smith was so young and dewy, and he was Teflon at this point, and it really was like, what a What a wonderful time to revisit, and I'm definitely gonna have to get my myths on that book. I do love a shit talking memoir, and not enough of them do it. But yeah, it really was a snap for the ages. That's absolutely true. What it did, it did extremely well. And Aunt Viv Prime is a big part of the reason for that. Tara: [41:56] I'll go next. I when the cold open started and it's Will doing the bit with the weight, I was like, oh, this is gonna really be tiresome because I didn't realize it was this episode. I watched the show at the time when it was on and it was Certainly a different experience watching it now versus then when I was a teenager, probably Will Smith's age or the age of his character. Where did he get that barbell? And like, was he just sitting there waiting for someone to come and notice him? Dave: [42:23] The only thing I wanted to bring up that hasn't been brought up, what is the in-universe explanation for what he's doing? Tara: [42:25] Okay. Yes. Sarah: [42:30] For them having a novelty styrofoam barbell. Dave: [42:30] Because Because his meeting with Ashley wasn't planned. Tara: [42:33] Yeah. Dave: [42:36] Was he just outside on the back porch for hours doing curls until somebody showed up to do the throwaway joke? Tara: [42:40] Yeah. Dave: [42:43] Was he there all day? Tara: [42:45] Mm-hmm. Dave: [42:46] What's going on? Why? Like, and then that brings like, does he have the mental capacity to continue if he's doing that all day? Tara: [42:51] Great. Right. Dave: [42:52] Like, what is wrong with him? Tara: [42:54] Yeah. Christina: [42:54] Mm-hmm. Tara: [42:57] That aside, this is a great episode for all of the reasons Margaret said. I'll also add: it's a rare, in my memory, instance of Hillary not being the butt of all the jokes. Like she's. The one who has to keep going shopping for every time Viv changes her mind. And at the last one, she just like picks up the bag and goes, like, it's very understated. She's good. I actually thought those roast jokes were really good. There's a lot of punchlines other than, oh, sorry, did I say life? I meant gum disease. There are worse, there are worse punchlines than the one they landed on. Sarah: [43:28] Mhm. Dave: [43:28] Yeah, Will Smith's laughed doing a lot of work there as well. Sarah: [43:31] Yeah, yeah, it's true. Dave: [43:32] He's got a very, yeah. Tara: [43:32] Yes, it's true. The centerpiece of this episode is obviously the dance audition, and it choked me up. I mean, this is one of my things. Anytime. A climax happens with live music or live performance. That's one of my triggers, and I almost cried. Like, she's so good. That it was just a delight. And if that was the only reason for this episode to exist, to give her that showcase, it was worth it. And I'm glad I got to see it. And I'm glad that it's been seen six million other times because it deserves it. Sarah: [44:02] Yeah. Christina: [44:02] It absolutely Yes. Dave: [44:03] Yep. Tara: [44:04] Dave. Dave: [44:04] No, I said my piece with the dumbbells. I agree with everything else. Great presentation. And I think everybody nailed everything else. So let's put this to the official vote. Christina, what say you? Canon worthy or not? Sarah Debundy, Tari Ariano, me too. Sarah: [44:17] Yes. Tara: [44:18] Yes. Dave: [44:20] So That means that the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Season 2, Episode 7, The Big 4-0, you are hereby inducted into the extra Hagrey Cannon. Clip: [44:41] Yep. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave: [44:45] It's time to discover who is the winner and loser of the week. Sarah has this week's winner. Sarah: [44:50] I do. It is a very Presumed Innocent, which has added Matthew Reese for season two. I had really not been tempted to check this out, but now I might. not least because Variety made a point of saying that he was in the Perry Mason remake, and I still want justice for that show, so I don't know. It kind of made me inclined to give it a look. But Tara is doing a very deep 180-degree head shake. So, no, shouldn't do that. Tara: [45:21] No, no, no, not at all. I I mean, I was agreeing with you that I wasn't tempted to watch Presumed Innocent, and I I hadn't been keeping track even if this is like a whole new story or if the Jake Dylan Hall character is back. Like, I don't know what the deal is. I don't care either. Sarah: [45:34] Yeah, I'm not clear on it either. Like, are they going anthology? It's weird. Dave: [45:38] If it is anthologized, then it should be re-presumed innocent presumed innocenter. Sarah: [45:44] Uh-huh. Tara: [45:47] Presumed reinnocent. Dave: [45:48] Yeah, free presumed to reinnocent turts. Tara: [45:49] Yeah. Dave: [45:50] Yes. Tara: [45:51] Yes. Dave: [45:51] And loser of the week. Tara: [45:53] Loser of the week is the stranger who punched his dark material star James McAvoy. Yes, he did a TV show, so we claim him. In Toronto, of all places, McVoy was in town for the Toronto International Film Festival. He has a new movie there. He and his Wife were out celebrating the premiere at a place called Charlotte's Room that I'd never heard of. I had to look it up. It's on King Street West. It's like behind Roy Thompson Hall. So definitely a strip of bars, I'm going to say that you get a lot of sort of fratty types and tourists and stuff getting real drunk, which is what happened here. The guy that punched James McAvoy was being Escorted out, and then on his way, he just like, having no idea who he even was, was just like punch, I guess. Dave: [46:39] Gotta punch something. Sarah: [46:40] Oh, wow. Tara: [46:42] But, you know, there are things I expect to happen in Toronto, like, you know, Godzilla walking down Young Street pretending it's. Sarah: [46:43] Okay. Tara: [46:50] New York, why not? . Stopping for lunch at Eastside Mario's? Sure. I don't know if that's still at the East Center. It should be. But punching James McAvoy, I expect better of you, Toronto. Dave: [47:01] All right, and we'll record winner and loser here. Here's a little challenge where has the loser. Speaking about Godzilla serving lunch, do you know what time it is? Tara: [47:09] Great. It's good. Dave: [47:11] This game time. All right, this is the fourth game time of the season because it is all tied up. Today we are playing Silver Vixens with help from listener Seth. Mike and many other anonymous helpers on our Discord and at assist. extrahotgrate. com on Blue Sky. In Silver Vixens, Christina will receive a dating app message from one of our treasured veteran ladies of television. Name the actors from the context clues in that message for two points. If you guess incorrectly, I'll give you the name of the TV show they are most well known for, after which an answer is worth one point. One more thing. At the end of the game, we'll all have to guess which one of the answers Christina swiped the quickest on for an extra point. Tara: [48:11] Oh, thank God. I guess I was going to ask that too. Dave: [48:15] Okay. Christina: [48:16] Tough for me, but fair. Dave: [48:20] Twenty one questions if we have time for them all. We are against the clock here. We'll go as long as we can. Christina: [48:24] Be fine. Dave: [48:25] No equalizer challenge zones today. No steel meals. Tara: [48:28] Got it. Dave: [48:29] Are we ready to play Silver Vixens? Tara: [48:31] Certainly. Sarah: [48:32] Yes. Dave: [48:32] All right, let's throw it to Piggy. Christina: [48:33] I I think I was born for it. Dave: [48:34] See who's going first. Tara: [48:38] Oh no. Clip: [48:40] We will start with valued guest. Dave: [48:42] Just the one time. We can't do that every week. All right. So we're going to go Christina up top since it's all about her. And then we'll go Tara, then Sarah. Here we go, starting with Christina. Here is your dating app message. Hi, Christina. It's me, silver-haired co-star of recent series Mobland and the Thursday Night Murder Club, and maybe your next date. Clip: [48:58] Come on, come on. Dave: [49:05] Spend an evening with me and you're bound to find out why I didn't play Catherine DeSoso Who is this silver vixen of television? Christina: [49:16] Am I guess like characters or actors? Tara: [49:18] Actor Is this Mingna? Dave: [49:19] But the explanation could be in either voice. Clip: [49:20] Cause I'm made up to the boat. Christina: [49:22] That's what I figured, but I just was like, wait, who am I? Clip: [49:22] I'm a bar. Christina: [49:24] Okay, great. That makes it easier. Helen Mirren? Dave: [49:26] Helmuren is good for two points. Christina: [49:28] Thank you so much. Dave: [49:29] Best known for prime suspect, I would say. Tara. All right, here is Christina's message. Christina, I have to be honest. That whole Boba Fett nonsense broke me. I'm tired of being known just for kicking butt. Clip: [49:42] Cause I make all the way. Dave: [49:43] Sure, there's all that Star Wars stuff and all the time I spent with S. I. E. L. D. and the Blue Eye Samurai, but enough of being a fighter. Clip: [49:49] Cause I make a lot of money. Dave: [49:50] I want to be a lover. Clip: [49:51] Can't look at the barrier, we'll get the bar to work. Dave: [49:54] It is. Tara: [49:54] Hey, Mingna Oh no. Dave: [49:55] Yes, another two points. Sarah D. Bunting Hi, Christina. It's me, your princess bride. I hope you could come visit me on the beautiful island of Themascara. Just don't bring up my late husband. You know, from that Netflix show, we don't talk about him. Sarah: [50:10] Robin Wright. Dave: [50:11] Everybody's got two points. Yes. All right, back to Christina. Hi, Queen. The dating scene can be bleak, but I'm ready to give you some sex education. Clip: [50:16] So I'm a big rock. Christina: [50:22] Oh, Dillian Anderson. Dave: [50:23] Yes, two points. Tara. Clip: [50:25] I'm a big Is a big up to the book. Dave: [50:26] Miss Tucker, I don't want to be too forward, but I must admit that I'm looking for a counterpart, someone who can help me forget that I've spent time with Joss Whedon on two separate occasions. If that doesn't scare you off, I'll confess to working on a secret project, a Manhattan, that'll really blow you away. Clip: [50:38] I'm on like I want it a rock Cut I'm like I'm a rock Could make Like I wanna take a rock and make a move like I'm a rocket to the man Is a make combo. Tara: [50:46] Which one is it? I need a hint. Dave: [50:48] Lots of context clues there for you. Tara: [50:50] I know, I know, but yeah. Christina: [50:51] Yeah. Dave: [50:52] The show and the Slim Pickens that she's best known for, Dune Prophecy. Remember Dune Prophecy? Tara: [50:58] Uh yes. Dave: [51:00] Mm-hmm. All right. Tara: [51:02] But what who was with Joss Whedon in that? Dave: [51:05] I'm going to tell you there's you got three shows that have been named so far. Tara: [51:09] Yeah. The only person I can remember from that show is Emily Watson. I know that's not right. Dave: [51:16] Incorrect. Anybody know it for shits and giggles? Christina: [51:18] I don't actually Oh, probably hurt. Dave: [51:19] Counterpart Manhattan, Olivia Williams. Tara: [51:21] Right, right. Olivia Williams. Sarah: [51:25] Oh! Dave: [51:27] All right. Tara: [51:28] Maybe the Olivia who quit Corey's movie. Clip: [51:29] I'm getting away. Dave: [51:31] Yep. Tara: [51:31] We don't know. Christina: [51:32] Probably, actually, probably. Dave: [51:34] Back to Sarah. Hi, Christina. It's your girl from the 1991 MIDI series Titmus Regained. Clip: [51:38] I'm not going to let you go. Dave: [51:41] I'm just having a laugh. No one remembers that, but it's fun to say Titmus. Clip: [51:45] I'm not going to let you go. Dave: [51:46] I know I could come across as Snooty, but I work with an underling who farts in front of me, so I come by it honestly. Clip: [51:49] Cause I may come to the book. Sarah: [51:53] Oh, Titmus regained. Dave: [51:56] Don't worry about titmisk. Sarah: [51:56] I just can't I know, I just couldn't hear anything after Titmus. Clip: [51:56] Cause I may come to the boat. Dave: [51:57] You're never going to get it from that. Two clues there worth your time. Clip: [52:02] Like I wanna go back and make a move like I want to walk to the bank I want to like I want to rock. Dave: [52:03] Just having a laugh. And I know an underling who farts in front of me. Sarah: [52:09] Yeah, that's actually not helpful. Could I get the hint, please? Dave: [52:11] All right, the show that she's best known for on television and tying to the fart, Clue, Slow Horses. Sarah: [52:19] Oh, uh Christ. Uh Kristen Scott Thomas? Dave: [52:25] Yes, Christmas Thomas, good for one point. Sarah: [52:25] Is that her? Dave: [52:29] Back to Christina. Christina, I might be queen of a fictional country, but I'll always make time for you. No, I'm not actually Michelle Obama. I just played here on The Simpsons. Take a break from the real-life American horror story and let's hang out. Call me when you get your groove back. I'll be holding my breath. Christina: [52:48] Angela Bassett I got nothing. Dave: [52:48] Angela Bassett is good for two, yes. Sarah: [52:50] Wow. Dave: [52:52] Tara. Tara: [52:52] Yeah. Dave: [52:53] Oh, Christina, I'm so tired of people hate watching me. How about we do some love watching instead? Sorry if I'm coming on a little strong, but some of these personalities I dealt with demand it. Clip: [53:03] Cause I'm a rock. Dave: [53:04] Carrie, of course, but also Saul, Jessica Jones, and all the ghouls in the post-apocalypse. Clip: [53:07] I want to like I want to rock Cause I make Cut a book, and the barrier is a big book, and the bar. Tara: [53:16] Sally Field Shit Okay. Dave: [53:18] Show she's best known for, and just like that, ellipses. Tara: [53:25] Uh I guess I have to guess Cynthia Nixon. Shit. Dave: [53:30] Incorrect? Christina, guess is here? Now this is Sarita Trudry. Tara: [53:36] Ch oh, Serena Chowdhury. Christina: [53:36] Oh, Sarita. Dave: [53:37] Chowdhury, thank you. Sarah: [53:38] Oh, yeah, Carrie, right. Christina: [53:38] Sorita. Dave: [53:40] All right. Christina: [53:40] Oh, yeah. Dave: [53:41] Back to Sarah. Christina: [53:41] Sorry, girl. Dave: [53:44] Hi, Christina. While I could be principally stubborn, like on the Star Wars show, where they turned me into a brick. I'm also someone you can hitch your wagon to, like my character Angelica, aka the wagon on Baz Sisters. Sarah: [53:58] Yeah, nope, hint, please. Clip: [54:00] I'm on it, I rock. Dave: [54:00] Best known for Killing Eve Veteran actress of the small screen, also a movie star. Clip: [54:07] I'm on, I want it a rock. Sarah: [54:09] But also movie star. Clip: [54:11] Is we got to the meeting Like I would like a rocket to make a corner like I'm gonna make a rock and make a Cause I'm coming to the boat. Sarah: [54:11] Uh, I mean Sandra O the other one? Dave: [54:14] Incorrect, that is Fiona Shaw. Christina: [54:17] I was gonna think. Dave: [54:17] We're looking for All right, back to our valued guest, Christina. Sarah: [54:17] Yes, shit Yeah. Dave: [54:22] Hey, babe. Speaking of, remember that time Connor and Cordelia gave birth to me? That was nuts. Maybe as weird as when my husband was hunting down that cannibal? Oh, but definitely not as strange as that put putt volcano scenario. Now that's what I like about Texas The warrant there No The submitter put best known for suits. Christina: [54:44] Is this Lisa Edelstein? Tara: [54:47] Good guess, though. Christina: [54:48] Damn. Tara: [54:48] She was on that show. Christina: [54:49] I know. Dave: [54:53] I will buy that. I will also throw alias in there. Christina: [54:54] Okay. Is this Gina Pearson? Tara: [54:58] Well, that's a combination of her character name and her real name. Christina: [54:59] Oh Gina Torres. Dave: [55:01] Yeah, re restate. You can restate. There we go. Good for one. Christina: [55:05] So sorry, Gina, a woman I interviewed once. So sorry. Tara: [55:08] Also, I passed around on Columbus Avenue in New York one time and I died. Christina: [55:13] Did you pass out? Dave: [55:13] Wow All right, Tara. Sarah: [55:14] Yeah. Mhm. Christina: [55:15] Cool. Tara: [55:16] Yes. Dave: [55:16] Oh, hi, Christina. I'd love to meet up with you. Clip: [55:18] Cause I'm back on to the whole I'm all the way to I'm on the rocket. Dave: [55:19] Since we're both powerful women, we have a lot in common. Would love to share some of my zany stories about advertising and dealing with my meddling mother and family with you. You wouldn't believe who she hired to help me at home. Clip: [55:31] I want to wrap it up. Tara: [55:32] Advertising. I need a hint. Dave: [55:35] Who's the boss? Tara: [55:37] Oh, Judith Light. Dave: [55:38] Judith Light is good for one point. Sarah: [55:39] Ah, yes. Dave: [55:41] All right, Sarah, this will take us into our score break. Hi, Christina. You may have seen my TV exploits in American-born Chinese. I hope so, because you definitely didn't see me in The Brother's Sun. Anyways, wipe whatever is the good direction, and let's meet up. Sarah: [55:59] Uh hint Oh, yeah, goddamn it. Dave: [56:00] Best known for on television, Star Trek Discovery. And I know you've seen this character because we watched that terrible Star Trek movie recently. Clip: [56:10] Is a makeup colouring. I won't be on the way. Sarah: [56:15] Constance Wu. That's not right. Dave: [56:17] Incorrect. Clip: [56:17] It's a makeup colour. Dave: [56:18] We were looking for Michelle Yeo. Christina: [56:19] Michelle, Michelle Yay! Dave: [56:20] Michelle Yeo. Sarah: [56:20] Yes, shit. Dave: [56:21] All right, Sarah debunting. Let's get the scores. Sarah: [56:24] I have Tara and Sarah tied with three, and uh the object of everyone's affection, Christina, has seven. Dave: [56:28] Ooh, ooh, all right, damn. All right, back to Christina. Christina, do you like to dance? Because I can dance with more than just wolves. And these days, I'm interested in a lip lock more than an airlock. Christina: [56:49] Limp look, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna request a hint, I feel limp. Dave: [56:52] All right, best known at television for Battlestar Galactica Can dance with more than just wolves. Christina: [56:56] Oh, um What is her actual name though? Because it's not President Rosman. It's not. She was also in Gray's, Mary McDonnell. Dave: [57:10] Yes, excellent, nicely done, save the point. Christina: [57:11] Woo! Dave: [57:14] Tara. Hi, Christina. I thought I'd drop you a subspace transmission and see if you wanted to hang sometime. Don't worry, I haven't actually done time. Clip: [57:21] I'm not going to let I rock. Dave: [57:23] That's just the Netflix show I was on. Maybe we can watch a true crime show together. Clip: [57:28] I'm not going to let I take a rack Can you have a barcode after Even we got to the book, oh and my kids Don't do that. Dave: [57:29] I do love a mystery. Tara: [57:31] Kate Mulgrew The sh the one that twigged for me and it is DC, by the way, is 227. Dave: [57:32] Yes, Star Trek Voyager, back to Sarah. Christina, I'm so happy I found your profile. You're so refreshing after my psychiatrist's ex-husband and his neuroses. I know a place where we can get a drink and analyze the other patrons. Sarah: [57:52] Well, if I'm correct, this is who I would swipe on the fastest. Bibi Newirth? Dave: [57:58] You are correct for two points. Cheers or Frazier, take your pick there. Christina! I've come a long way from my DC apartment complex, spent some time as an LA detective, saw some weird stuff in Jardin, Texas. And you wouldn't believe my time as a vigilante. But sorry to ramble. I hope you can be the queen I've been searching for. Christina: [58:19] Ooh, this is not belling for me, unfortunate. Um, give me a hint. Dave: [58:25] All right. Well, they've put American Crime, but I think it's there's a lot of contenders here. Maybe Tara can give you one more. 227. All right. Who is that actress? Christina: [58:40] Oh, um, but uh, but I got no my mind. Dave: [58:42] Hope you can be the queen I've been looking for. Clip: [58:47] You make a break. Dave: [58:49] Oh no, we didn't make the love connection with Regina King. Christina: [58:50] I I was Regina. Tara: [58:54] Regina King. Christina: [58:56] Oh, God damn it. Sarah: [58:58] Queen King. Christina: [58:58] Oh, I got two in my head. I got two in my head. That's on me. That's on me. That's amateur hour. That's okay. Shake it off. Well, shake it off. Dave: [59:03] All right, we're getting towards the end of the game. This one is for Tara. It is question seventeen. Tara: [59:07] Spread eagle. Sarah: [59:08] That's pretty cool. Dave: [59:09] Hi, Christina. It's me, the horny guidance counselor from 10 Things I Hate About You. Let's get together in the West Wing for a walk and talk. Let me just put on some hairspray. Tara: [59:19] Alice and Janny Okay, I think Sarah has five, I have seven, and Christina has eight. Dave: [59:20] Allison Janney is correct. Two points to Sarah. Hello, darling. Looking at your profile got me a little hot, though not quite as much as what Oz Cobb did to me, but I digress. Clip: [59:32] Is a big uncle and bar clean. Dave: [59:34] Please get back to me soon. My position as Secretary General of the United Nations of Space doesn't give me much downtime. I can only wait 24 hours for a response. Sarah: [59:49] Oh my God, I don't know, Cherry Jones. Hmm, me too. Dave: [59:56] Terry Jones was on the list, but we didn't have a dating profile for that one, so it didn't make the cut. All right, show is the expanse. Sarah: [1:00:06] Okay, yeah, that doesn't really help me. So, Laura Emmis, why not? Dave: [1:00:10] All right, Christina, who is that? Christina: [1:00:11] My girl Shorey and Dashaloo. Dave: [1:00:13] That is correct, yes. Sarah: [1:00:14] Oh, yeah. Dave: [1:00:15] All right, I need the scores. Everybody's got one question left. Tara: [1:00:25] Great. Dave: [1:00:26] All right, let's get to it. Everybody has one question. Start with Christina with a short message. Hi, Christina. Sorry I missed your message. I was on a girl's trip to Thailand. It didn't go well. You kind of got your pick here. Christina: [1:00:41] Um, um, which one? Dave: [1:00:43] So, you know, we can't quibble with your answer because you know best. Christina: [1:00:43] I know. Tara: [1:00:46] Right, of course. Christina: [1:00:47] I guess I'm going to say Carrie Coon. Dave: [1:00:49] Okay, that is correct answer, actually. Christina: [1:00:51] Yeah. Dave: [1:00:52] Two points. Christina: [1:00:52] Yeah. Dave: [1:00:53] Tara. Clip: [1:00:54] It's a big company. Dave: [1:00:54] Hi, Christina. It's me, self-made woman about town. We won't have to go out to a fancy restaurant. I can bake like on my eponymous baking show, or teach you how to cook, like on my eponymous cooking school show. Clip: [1:01:01] It's a big computer. I don't know. Dave: [1:01:07] That's a good thing. Tara: [1:01:08] Martha Stewart. Clip: [1:01:09] Cause I'm made up. Dave: [1:01:09] Martha Stewart is good for two. Tara: [1:01:11] I knew she'd be in here somewhere. Clip: [1:01:12] I don't know. Christina: [1:01:14] I mean the blueprint so many ways. Dave: [1:01:15] Severity bunting. Clip: [1:01:16] Cause I'm made. Dave: [1:01:17] Last question. Hey, stranger. I know I may seem intimidating. having played a First Lady, a Dakotian crime boss, and well, there's my unforgettable big blue friend, but ignore all that I'm just a stand up gal who can show you the legions of things to do all around town. Clip: [1:01:29] Like a rocket, is a big on top of my life, isn't it? Dave: [1:01:36] Well, East Town, anyways. Clip: [1:01:39] I'm cleanable, bring all the Is a big up to the book and the ball is coming to you. Sarah: [1:01:41] He's down. Kate Winslet? Tara: [1:01:43] To Yan. Dave: [1:01:44] Too young, yuck put it back in the oven. Sarah: [1:01:48] She's by age. I'm ancient. Come on. Dave: [1:01:50] Best known for designing women. Played a First Lady, Dakota Crime Boss, got an unforgettable big blue friend, stand up gal, legions, east town. Sarah: [1:01:57] I mean she played a first lady. Clip: [1:02:01] It's a big up to the boat. Sarah: [1:02:01] Oh, right. Tara: [1:02:02] East Town. Yep. Clip: [1:02:06] Like I wouldn't rock it, I rock It's a weird. Sarah: [1:02:07] Stand up gal. Legions. Why can't I remember her name? Dave: [1:02:11] I dunno. Sarah: [1:02:11] I could describe her to a sketch artist. Dave: [1:02:12] It's pretty dumb of you. Sarah: [1:02:14] Yeah, it is pretty dumb of me. Dave: [1:02:15] Yeah you should be the opposite of dumb I tried. Sarah: [1:02:21] Yeah. I don't remember. Tara: [1:02:23] Mm, he tried. Sarah: [1:02:23] Buzz me. Dave: [1:02:26] The opposite of dumb is smart. Sarah: [1:02:26] You did. Tara: [1:02:27] Gene smart. Dave: [1:02:27] Gene smart. Sarah: [1:02:28] Oh, right, Gene Smart. Oh, God. I just was like, Charlotte? No. Dave: [1:02:32] I need the scores. Tara: [1:02:33] Okay, Sarah has five, I have nine, but Christina, as is only right and just, is our widow with ten! Sarah: [1:02:39] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:02:40] All right. Sarah: [1:02:41] Yes. Dave: [1:02:42] Two pieces of business to do before we say goodbye here. Christina: [1:02:42] Guys, if I didn't get that right, that would have been tough. Tara: [1:02:45] Mm-hmm. Christina: [1:02:48] If I lost. Dave: [1:02:49] Let's do the tiebreaker. Tara: [1:02:51] Okay. Dave: [1:02:51] First person to shout out the correct answer gets a steel meal for future use. Christina playing for future value guests. Here we go. Hi, Christina. That's such a great name. I've seen some pretty bloody things in my jobs, and okay, maybe I shouldn't have got obsessed with an assassin, but that's in the past. I'm ready to be your person. Christina: [1:03:10] That's it. Dave: [1:03:11] That's Andrew. Christina: [1:03:11] Oh. Dave: [1:03:12] Oh, yes. Sarah: [1:03:12] Yeah, it is. Dave: [1:03:13] Nicely done. All right. Steel meal for value guests. Clip: [1:03:15] Cause I make a cold, cause I make a lot of money. Dave: [1:03:15] All right. Tara: [1:03:16] Very good. Dave: [1:03:16] Now, here's the big question. And I'm going to put in all the answers in the chat for everybody to take a quick look at. Christina: [1:03:24] Oh yeah. Clip: [1:03:24] Can you have a woman? Tara: [1:03:24] I had an early answer and I revised it twice. Dave: [1:03:27] Okay, so all three of us will get in on this. Tara: [1:03:30] Mm-hmm. Dave: [1:03:31] Let's start with Sarah D. Bunting. Clip: [1:03:33] I'm a little We're listening. Sarah: [1:03:34] Jillian Anderson. Dave: [1:03:34] Okay, can't pick Jillian Edison tar. Tara: [1:03:36] I wasn't. Dave: [1:03:37] Okay, good. Who is yours? Tara: [1:03:38] My my pick is Martha Stewart. Dave: [1:03:41] Okay, that's a good one. Christina: [1:03:41] Hmm. Dave: [1:03:42] I am going to, I was going to say Jillian Anderson. So I'm going to switch gears and say, let's say Carrie Kuhn. All right. Moment of truth. May not be any of them. Tara: [1:03:55] Mm swiping right. Dave: [1:03:55] Who's to say? Christina, who did you sweep the quickest on? Christina: [1:03:59] Who am I swiping the quickest on? Based on both combination of character and message, it's gonna have to be Baby New Earth because I want to get. Dave: [1:04:06] Oh, I don't said that. Shit. Christina: [1:04:08] Are you kidding? Get drinks and talk shit about my husband? Tara: [1:04:09] Hell yeah, and Sarah Hell yeah. Sarah: [1:04:10] I'm s so proud of you. Dave: [1:04:11] That would have been my choice. Christina: [1:04:12] Let's rock! Sarah: [1:04:13] Mine too, as noted. Dave: [1:04:15] Damn, I'm not sure if I can do it. Christina: [1:04:16] I mean, every I will say Jillian was like second choice because I was like, that's honestly like the second most normal message to receive. I was slightly terrified in other scenarios. Dave: [1:04:24] Ugh I'm s ah I'm crestfallen, crestfallen I didn't say that. Christina: [1:04:25] But in a fun way, in a perfect way. But I was like, oh, no, I'm getting drinks with BB and talking shit about Friday. It's the hottest thing I've ever heard. Sarah: [1:04:36] God. I thought I couldn't because I was like, oh, well, but that's what I want, so I'm not going to project. Tara: [1:04:40] Mm. Dave: [1:04:42] First thought, best thought. All right, guys. Sarah: [1:04:45] Yeah. Dave: [1:04:45] That is it for another episode of Extra Hawk Great. We got up nice and early to talk about the morning show before going around the dial with stops at Futurama rivals Celebrity Week a slink, and Downton Abbey the Grand Finale. We all cheered on Margaret's cannon pitch for the Fresh Prince of Bel Air's The Big 4 0. We crowned winners and losers of the week, and Christina was the winner of this week's Let's Date Christina game time. Tara: [1:05:13] Thank God. Dave: [1:05:14] Next up, we're checking in on season two of High Potential, plus a lot more on the next Extra, Extra Hot Greet. Remember! Clip: [1:05:25] Ah. Dave: [1:05:26] I am David Teacle, and on behalf of Tara Ariano, Sarah D. Tara: [1:05:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave: [1:05:32] Bunting And Christina Tucker. Sarah: [1:05:32] I have been meaning to talk to you about how you look in diamonds. Christina: [1:05:37] Still hear me? Okay. Well then call me Gaia Warrior 96. Dave: [1:05:42] Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra Hot Great. Clip: [1:05:53] I don't mean to be rude, but is there any way that you can just shut the fuck up? Christina: [1:05:59] Yay