We Cover The Waterfront

Dave: [0:18] This is the Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 568 for the week of June 23rd, 2025. I am your mom's amazing hush puppies, David T. Cole. And I'm here with asshole with a poppy field, Sarah D. Bunding. Sarah: [0:37] I'm a hugger. Dave: [0:38] Suspiciously in that bartender, Tara Arellano. Tara: [0:40] I'd love to make you a zombie. Dave: [0:43] And local drug dealing doofus Jessica Morgan. Jessica: [0:46] Oh shit, where'd I put those drugs? Tara: [0:52] Welcome to Extra Hot Great for another week. Before we get to the episode, just another reminder about the Extra Hot Great Club, aka our Patreon. Short appeal this time. The month is nearly over. We are mere dozens of dollars away from hitting the next milestone in our membership campaign. Go to extrahotgreat.com slash club to join or kick up your pledge so that we can unlock the regular commentaries from Stephanie Green and Carrie Race and the one-off drunk Dave call-in episode. You do not even have to use your own money to join the club. You can join by making a withdrawal from the Extra Hot Great Mutual Aid Vault. Just email bunting at tomatonation.com. And if you are walking somewhere and can't write this down, it's in the show notes. it's on our website you can find all this information there and don't any of you dare say there's no money, All right, Nero, take it easy. I know we can do this. Let's do this. Let's do it this month. Tara: [1:51] Now, welcoming her back. She is a critic, novelist, and newsletterer. You've heard her with us many times before. It's Jessica Morgan. Jessica, welcome back. Jessica: [2:01] Yay! Yay! Thank you for having me back. I'm delighted to be here. Tara: [2:06] We're thrilled to have you to talk about The Waterfront, in which the mighty Buckleys are basically local royalty in fictional Havenport, North Carolina, but is it possible that their entire reputation is built on lies and some truth because it seems like everyone knows about their criminal activity from the previous generation? Officially, though, currently, they run a fishery in a casually elegant restaurant plus a waterside crab shack in town. Secretly, they're using one of their fishing boats to run cocaine for a kingpin that son Kane, Jake Weary, didn't even meet before getting into business with a middleman. When Kane's father Harland, Holt McCallany, finds out he is livid, not just because Harland's wife Belle, Maria Bello, hid it from him, but because Harland's own father, as I said, ruined his family running drugs and Harland has tried desperately to make himself a different kind of life. But Harland's also been drinking heavily and screwing around on Belle since a recent heart attack, so he's not trying that hard to preserve his legacy, his own self. On the fringes of the story are the Buckley's other child, recent messy divorcee Bree, Melissa Benoist, Bree's shitty son Diller, Brady Heppner, Kane's wife Peyton, Daniel Campbell, and their child, whose name is Savannah, but I didn't find that out until like four episodes in, and Jenna Humberley Gonzalez. Tara: [3:26] Kane's ex from high school for whom he might still carry a torch. The show was created by Kevin Williamson, who also brought us Dawson's Creek, among many other TV titles. Here he is making his debut on Netflix. All eight episodes dropped June 19th. We may talk about events from any of them. Let's do the Chen check-in. Jessica, should our listeners watch The Waterfront? Jessica: [3:49] I'm going to give it a qualified yes. Tara: [3:51] Sarah? Sarah: [3:53] Qualified no. Dave: [3:54] I feel like I stopped watching it too soon because I was like, it's okay. If you like this kind of stuff, it's not best of breed. But then Tara's like, here's some selections from the next few episodes, which is like, oh, this is capturing my main criticism, which is I think thought it needed more season one clause energy to work. And it didn't have it. But maybe it does. Tara: [4:18] It gets real violent. So I'm going to finish it. It's better than I expected while not being good. Jessica: [4:25] Yes. Tara: [4:26] Okay, well, let's get into it. Jessica, you were last here to talk about Dr. Odyssey R.I.P. Jessica: [4:31] Yeah, no kidding. Tara: [4:33] Last week when we were emailing about this, I sent you the Blue Sky post that suggested it was ending. This is based on third-hand information, but if we can't trust a random online stranger's hairdresser's boyfriend, we might as well just give up as a civilization. But you said you thought Joshua Jackson was meant to be in this show. Please explain. Jessica: [4:51] You were like, oh, interesting. And I was like, you're going to know what I'm talking about. And so the main dude, whose name has already escaped me, Jake Weary, sure, looks like Josh Jackson. He's like a squarer face Josh Jackson. He has Josh Jackson's physical mannerisms. And this plot is kind of like if Pacey Witters fell into drug running to me. Like, I don't blame this guy. I don't think his performance is bad. But to me, it seems as if this role was written for Josh Jackson. Tara: [5:23] Yes. Jessica: [5:23] Kevin Williamson gave it to him. Josh Jackson was like, I'm already on this like dead cruise ship thing. Sorry. And they found a guy who was like, who can do a Josh Jackson invitation? Yeah, it's distracting. Tara: [5:35] It really is. And I think even I can't go back in time and not, you know, know what you said, but I feel like I would have gotten there on my own. You've been right about a lot of things in the time I've known you. You may have never been more right about anything than you are about this. And I cut a clip of him at this this character, Cain at his paciest. Let's hear it. The thing is, this is my fault. I don't know the rules. Ask him. He's my dad. Ask him. Please, please call me. Like, this is Pacey either trying to get out of trouble by playing dumb or actually being dumb and just openly being like, I'm dumb. And like we hear him say, this was such a missed opportunity. And part of it, I'm sure, is that, like, he's actually only 10 or 15 years younger than the actors who are playing his parents. But he seems younger than 47. Like, we could all fudge that. We would all be fine with it, I think. Sarah: [7:03] Yeah. Jessica: [7:04] Yeah. Sarah: [7:04] My notes say uncanny, pacey valley. And I knew Jake Weary from Animal Kingdom, which I watched every minute of, God help me. And he is familiar with this, like, I am the scion of a crime family. And the resemblance never struck me before. I really do think it was the, like, Williamson recency bias of it all. but I mean that kind of hung over everything like occasionally there would be b-roll that I have seen on Dawson's Creek like 10 million times and I'm like oh that's what they think the Sagamore Bridge is but this time they're actually in the state that they claim to be in but I have to say that wasn't like an unpleasant sensation no like I didn't mind the sort of tendrils of Dawson's Creek Spanish moss I lost control of this so I'm just going to bail out But the problem that I was having is that this felt like a bunch of sort of crime family shows that I didn't care about thrown in a blender. And the cast is very appealing. But this sort of like Ozark, Yellowstone, sugar, claws, frappe, like it's just not quite. there for me. And also, like I said, I watched every frame of Animal Kingdom and I gave it the office. So I'm just not sure I'm going to keep going. Tara: [8:27] Yeah. I mean, that was one of my questions about the family crime dynasty because it's a genre with a long history. And it sounds like you didn't feel like this one brought anything new to the genre, but maybe new isn't even what we want from shows like this. I mean, Jessica, you were a qualified yes. So what did you think about that? Jessica: [8:42] Well, yeah, I've kind of like a mixed history with that genre. Like I watched all of Ozark, and I thought the beginning and middle of it is great, and then it is a mess at the end. I don't like Yellowstone because I don't like that woman's bangs, so I don't ever watch it. Tara: [8:56] Yep. Jessica: [8:59] But I sort of thought this felt like classic CW to me in a way that I found very appealing. Like, is it good? Not really. Is it watchable? Totally. Like, I turned it off, and I told my husband, I was like, well, I don't think it was great, but we're probably gonna watch all of it. It's something about it is kind of compelling. And everyone on it looks like a CW star. Like, yes, remember back in the day when the CW would like hire hot people that like were kind of older. And you're like, Oh, I used to love her. Like that was Maria Bello for me. I was like, Oh, yeah, good for her getting a job. Tara: [9:36] Yeah. Jessica: [9:36] But one girl, the wife was on the originals, like she was on the CW. So it feels very like CW adult show to me in a way that it's summer, it's hot out. Would I like to go back to the summer of like 2004? Yes, pretty much. So like, there's something about it. I'm not going to get like that invested in it. Like, it's not going to take over my life in any way that kind of like puts me off. But I don't really think there's that much interesting to watch on television right now for me personally. So like, sure, I'll watch some guy pretend to be Pacey running drugs. Sounds fine. Tara: [10:09] Yeah it's to me it's like exactly walks the line between and I wouldn't have thought there was only a line between them but apparently there is between like a CW drama and a prime video dad show. Jessica: [10:22] Yes. Sarah: [10:22] Yes. Tara: [10:23] It has. It has. Sarah: [10:24] Very good. Tara: [10:25] Reacher vibes in spades. You know, I can't speak to Bosch. That's not my ministry, but it definitely has Reacher vibes. And the deeper you get into it, the more cuckoo it gets. Like when the big baddie turns out to be Topher Grace, it's like, all right, they're trying shit. I'm interested. especially since Kevin Williamson also has talked in this press tour about the show being partly inspired by his own father's criminal activity which is he's dead now we miss him but he was a fisherman who did some drug smuggling and knowing that explains a lot about how Kevin Williamson makes small town criminals sympathetic and small town sheriffs total pieces of shit which I thought so knowing that was great I. Sarah: [11:06] Don't know about you guys but did you know this about Joey Potter's father. Because for decades, I've been like 20,000 pounds of marijuana. That's not a thing that happens. That literally was the thing that happened. And that's why Mike, was that his name? Tara: [11:25] On the show, yeah. Sarah: [11:26] Went back to the Who's Gals. But it was like, wow, that is really a one-to-one thing. And I can't believe I either never knew that or just was like, okay, Perez Hilton, I don't believe No. Tara: [11:40] Apparently, I mean, we'll link it in the show notes, but he's he said his dad asked him, like, don't write about it and don't talk about it until after I'm dead. And now he is. It's like, it sounds like they had a good relationship, but also that Kevin Williamson respected him enough to just keep that part of his biography a secret. Dave: [11:57] Do you think his father's relationship was anything like the show's father son relationship, which is punch based? Tara: [12:03] Yeah. Dave: [12:05] So the first scene they have together the dad cold cocks someone as he comes into the office because he's been a drug business doofus and then later on they are disposing a body in the swamp and the father opens up to the son i'm paraphrasing here you impressed me tonight because you touched a dead body so this this bonding moment is a little weird this relationship is I think. Jessica: [12:34] That's literally the line I think he literally said that exact line. Dave: [12:38] It's weird. I think my main problem with this show, because it is watchable, it does like Jessica, when you make the CW reference, you're like, yeah, absolutely. It absolutely has that vibe. But the problem is with this cast, which feels like it's kind of stacked, good actors, but no two relationships between any two characters really feel dynamic. They all feel a little flat to me. And I kind of, that's what I meant when I said, I wish it had that clause, early clause energy where like everybody from the get go was like, oh, these are caricatures, but it really worked within that heightened criminal storyline, which I think the shares with it. So I kind of just wanted more out of the characters. Like there's some real drips, like the daughter who's not allowed into the back office and she has to run the restaurant, you know, like that. And she's got like a son that doesn't like her. I don't need that storyline at all. So I just kind of wanted more between the characters and have it work more, which I don't think they really did. Tara: [13:37] Yeah. When I was making my notes for this, one of them was the Melissa Benoist character. Dave: [13:42] Benoist. Tara: [13:43] Benoist. That she feels like she's not in the family. And then later on, she has a conversation with her mother where she's like, when am I going to be part of this family? It's like, oh, okay, the show knows. They're working on it. And it does go places with her character that I was not expecting. Jessica: [13:58] She's a competent actor. like I always enjoy watching her so I was like I'll ride with this my big question about like the relationships that I thought was problematic was not Pacey and his high school girlfriend are like reunited in the pilot because she's come back to town to help her sick dad yeah but she doesn't know a lot of stuff about him that you totally would have known in high school like she doesn't know that he didn't go to college to play football like this is something that would have been established like when you graduated like there are all these questions where i'm like how do you not know a lot of stuff that you definitely should know as this high school girlfriend this isn't stuff that like developed once you guys broke up i found it very confusing i. Tara: [14:40] Think that scene is written weird but i think she's like it's more her asking why he didn't i think she knows. Jessica: [14:45] He didn't okay and. Tara: [14:46] That's why he he makes the big revelation of like i did actually get in But my father told me not to go because if I never knew, then I'd never know. Because his father was like, you're not good enough to go pro. Sarah: [14:57] I think that might just be a Kevin Williamson blind spot is the ability to write people who ostensibly have known each other their entire lives and either not understanding how much a given cohort would be using social media to keep up on goss like this. I mean, in the case of Dawson's, how many times on again with this are we like, why is everybody acting like they just met? This is a small town. Everybody has been here since birth. And if they haven't been, the kid from away, and that's their personality in high school, Jen Lindley. So I think maybe this is just a Williamson thing. I will say his overwriting is better controlled here. Maybe raising the temperature of the genre means that it lowers the temperature of the like saying solace every 10 minutes. Well, yeah, it doesn't eliminate it completely. But there's, you know, there is that feeling of like, these relationships don't feel lived in. And once again, I am begging writers rooms full of only children to text someone who had a sibling and just gut check it, please. These people act like they just met, which is frustrating to me. Tara: [16:12] I realized after I was watching this that I don't think I've engaged with anything he himself has written since Scream 2, honestly. By the time we're at the point where we are in Dawson's Creek, he's been long gone. And he sort of established those tics, but he wasn't probably still doing exactly the same ones in the originals in Vampires Diaries, whatever. I will say this, Sarah, because we always complain about the whiny wife who's written like she just met her husband and found out about his job last week. I feel like Belle at least upends this trope. Like she's the one who knows things she's not telling him. Sarah: [16:46] I don't think you cast Maria Bello if the wife is going to be the Kelly Riley type. He's like, how dare you continue running drugs or being a cop who's never home or pulling the reins of power instead of hanging out with me? No, like I if that was written that way, I can totally see Maria Bello being like, why am I here? Because that's not that's not what we're doing. Tara: [17:13] Yeah. Can we agree? Bree's shitty little son needs to be rolled in a fishing net and thrown into the ocean because I don't care about him at all. Anyone else? Dave: [17:22] Oh, absolutely. And yeah, don't need to see another one of those storylines either. Sarah: [17:28] And he doesn't need four pairs of Nikes. Start with one. And if his attitude doesn't change, go and get him back. Jessica: [17:34] So that. Dave: [17:36] Scene where he's getting all the nikes from the well she's not absentee she's court appointed absentee mother there is a caseworker that is checking up on them i feel like when the boxes one box two box three box four box come up they should have cut away to her just like making notes with every additional box and then like at the fourth box just like going, with their pen and then we never see him again limited. Sarah: [18:02] Edition yeah yeah. Jessica: [18:04] I feel like i always kind of have this long-running joke uh with heather that like we want to see like back in the day they would do this as like a web extra which no one does anymore but like i want to get the point of view of like back in the day what would be um key for sutherland's random co-workers on 24 yeah like jack bowers like never fucking here where is jack right now or like the middle managers on succession who are like, this place is a mess. I've got to get a new job. And here I want to see what the social worker says to like her spouse when she gets home. First of all, I know this family's running drugs. I can't prove it, but I've got a feeling. Then she gave the kid four Nikes. Like, I feel like I want to know her thoughts. Like that woman seemed long suffering. Tara: [18:46] Yeah. Jessica: [18:47] Let's get her point of view. Tara: [18:48] Yeah, seriously. Jessica: [18:49] Like, I feel like, what does she think of this? She doesn't approve, but I would like to give a look into her lifestyle. Dave: [19:05] All right, it's time to go around the dollar. First off is with Tara. Tara: [19:08] Yeah, I went straight from a show where violent, attempted and successful murders are happening at a rate of about one per episode to one where a major point of suspense is if a rich dilettante entrepreneur is going to be able to handle his pitch for an alarm clock that he didn't design just because the guy who did design it is a house servant because the Gilded Age is back, baby, for season three. Here is a very quick rundown of where everyone is. George Russell is traveling the Western States, buying land to expand the railways. Gladys Russell, his daughter, is seating some normie behind her mother, Bertha's back, even though Bertha secretly, it seems like, promised her to the Duke that we met last season in exchange for helping her win the opera wars. Agnes and Ada are in a power struggle over who is in charge of the household now that Agnes is broke. Aurora's husband, out of nowhere, wants a divorce to marry a woman by the way which okay dude and even her cousins aren't bothering to pretend they will accept her in company if she gives it to him and miss scott is sick. Tara: [20:13] She's probably gonna be fine because we saw her in the scenes from later in the season we had our first watch party with train conductor hats and wooden train whistles three of us had watched the whole series one had seen season one and dipped on season two one had never watched it even one time everyone was hooting and hollering because someone making a casually cutting remark and someone else reacting to it by silently reeling is a universal language. This is a show where getting invited to dinner or not is the only thing that multiple characters have to worry about and living in this world for an hour feels so good. Perfect show. Dave. Dave: [20:47] Yeah, there is the Western scenes where a railroad baron is out in Arizona at train daddy. Tara: [20:54] Yes. Dave: [20:55] And really wanted a Julian fellows Western now. Tara: [20:59] Yeah. Dave: [21:00] It's like out of his element, but also it's sort of like a mirror image of what he's doing. And I've thought like those scenes worked really well. So if we could just like send some industrialists out West for a season or, you know, maybe that's the web episodes. I don't know, but I really enjoyed that part of it. And it kind of made me want more. But yeah, the show is super fun. It's similar enough to Downton Abbey that you get the same vibe, but it is offering something that feels different enough that you don't feel like it's just like strictly methadone for Downton people. But yeah, I'm really doing it. And there's a Downton movie coming out this year. Tara: [21:31] So yes, Jessica, you were chair dancing your thoughts on Gilded Age premiere. Jessica: [21:35] Yes. So I was actually writing my Gilded Age recap before I joined you today. So I'm deep into it right now. The show is just enjoyable to me. Like it's so well acted. The season seems like it's going to be juicier. I did not get screeners, so I have no idea. But all the reviews are good. I'm very excited to see if my theory about Larry turns out to be true, which is that I think Larry's secretly really dumb is what we discovered in this most recent episode. So this is my running theory. It's just fun. Like everyone on it is so good. I would watch Carrie Coon read the Yellow Pages, as they used to say about people. She's delightful. It's just, I mean, I love Downton. I really enjoy the show. I'm so glad it's back. Finally, there are some people, you know, as you said, making cutting remarks and then slamming the door on each other. That's all I really want. Tara: [22:20] Yeah, it's glorious. Wonderful show. Sunday nights on HBO. For my plugs, last week, Adults ended its run on FX. It already all dropped on Hulu. And it took me so long to figure out why they did it like that. And it's obviously because they wanted them all to drop within the Emmy eligibility period. So stupid. Anyway, we talked about it on the Patreon. But one of the episodes last week was what happens when you volunteer to take in a pregnant teen who has come to your blue state to get an abortion and she is a huge bitch. And it was really funny. So I wrote about that for crack. And I'll also plug again with again with this, this Patreon for our sister podcast. Again with this, we are particularly bringing the heat over our imminent break. We are talking about Dick on July 4th with Michelle Williams and then Heather's with Shannon Doherty. There's no we miss her big enough for her on the 11th. So among the many other topics that we've hit over the years, those are two big ones that are coming up. So get over there again with this podcast dot com slash campaign for more info. Dave: [23:30] All right, Jessica, what do you have for us? Jessica: [23:32] All right. So as usual, I'm here to recommend some very bad television. Tara: [23:37] Thank you. Jessica: [23:38] I feel like I never come on here and recommend like an obscure adaptation of a Finnish literary phenomenon or anything. It's always something trashy. I think some of that's because right now I'm not watching a lot of scripted TV, to be honest with you. Like I'm watching a lot of baseball and Gilded Age, like stuff on HBO, and then a bunch of things on Bravo. And today I'm just here to remind everyone that Bravo's spinoff of Vanderpump Rules, it's called The Valley, is incredibly satisfying if you enjoy watching a bunch of sociopaths yelling at each other inside of a Dave and Buster's, which I do. So far this season, a man has casually accused his ex of being an escort. And that is terrible, but she's also incredibly terrible. So no one has gotten that worked up about it. Bravo's most psychotic employee, Jax Taylor, is at the height of his psychosis. Uh, this guy used to be charming and kind of charismatic, and now he's just like a coked out shit show, allegedly. And it's sort of satisfying to watch other people call this out, and hopefully he's going to get fired. That'll be sort of satisfying as well. And finally, one of the former Vanderpump Rules stars, Kristen, who was like a lunatic on Vanderpump Rules, has clearly actually gone to a competent therapist off camera. Tara: [24:48] Whoa. Jessica: [24:48] And has, yeah, she's totally different. She's suddenly become sort of a voice of reason, and you can root for her success, which is also fun. It's just really well done, especially if you enjoy emotionally dysregulated people screaming at each other while at a wine tasting in Santa Barbara, which I do. Tara: [25:06] Fantastic. What would you like to plug? I put a few things in the doc, but if there's anything else, let us know. Jessica: [25:12] We're still writing our website about ugly celebrity clothes, gofugyourself.com. Despite plunging ad money, we are still somehow managing to keep it afloat so far. And we're also working on our sub stack, which is called drinks with broads. If you like twop style recaps, come on by Heather's doing and just like that, which she hates, profoundly hates. Sarah: [25:36] They're so good. Jessica: [25:38] Thank you. I agree. I very much enjoy getting to read them before they go out. And then I'm doing Gilded Age, which I really love. So it's kind of like the yin and the yang of like, hate watch, love watch. So yeah, that's that's kind of what's up with us. Tara: [25:51] Fantastic. Dave: [25:54] Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [25:55] Hello. The Trainwreck Collection is what Netflix grandly has dubbed this franchise. It actually kicked off several years ago with a single episode, which was a three-parter. It was a look back at Woodstock 99. Sarah: [26:09] The Trainwreck Collection has started dropping new installments this month, and that includes Trainwreck The Astroworld Tragedy, which is an 80-minute documentary about the poor planning and leadership failures that led to nearly a dozen people dying of crush injuries at Travis Scott's Astroworld Festival in November of 2021. And in some ways, the train wreck title seems tacky, but in other ways, it perfectly describes the kinds of cases slash stories that this series focuses on. It's not so much true crime, although there are always crimes and often deaths for which someone is liable, but it's almost more horror. like I'm not going to bore everyone with the dopamine Venn diagram between true crime and horror movies. You're all intelligent people here. I'm just going to say that the Astroworld tragedy is maybe a little indecisive as to whether it wants to be a case file kind of true crime property or a testimonial kind of property. But it does end up showcasing mostly the latter and talks to people who witnessed the crowd flashpoint and in a couple of cases saved each other's lives and still hang out together at arcades in Houston, which is wonderful, and people who lost friends to the asphyxiation from compression that ensued from this crowd wave. Sarah: [27:26] The doc does interview a crowd safety expert. Some viewers may have wanted more from that guy about how the tragedy could have been prevented, what the off-ramps were when it was clear starting at 10 that morning that the crowd was not controlled and that overrides were not functional. all. But as it is, Astroworld tragedy really makes you feel that claustrophobia and that moment when you, a part of a crowd, understand that the crowd is now no longer many individuals only, but also one larger entity that obeys only wave theory. So I am going to give you a content warning because that could trigger some people. It does get kind of uncomfortable to watch this situation building, and especially knowing how it turns out, it's quite evocative, but that can cut both ways. Sarah: [28:16] The concert slash festival true crime micro genre is sort of a weird prospect because you have two kinds of cases. You have the dumbass on dumbass crime fire festival stuff, like shade and fraud is what I like to call it. And the much more serious people who like music and being influencers got in way over their heads and people got killed kind. Sarah: [28:38] The Wikipedia page for concert disasters is not short. and there's something about the coverage of both that is going to attract true crime viewers for the same reasons that horror movie fans watch horror which is like this knowledge is power i can hack this situation fallacy so that's sort of interesting to watch it from that standpoint but even if you're not interested in the meta stuff the astral world tragedy is good and it foregrounds victims and they're struggling with survivor's guilt and not in a cynically damp performative way. There are very few drone shots in this. Nobody's smile is lighting up a room, even though I'm sure that happened. It is well done. And I recommend it if you're not going to be set off by not liking crowds. For my plug, we are fixing to go on break. So if you need some summer reading for your break, you can go to my all true crime bookshop, Exhibit B books. The link will be in the show notes. Paperbacks are 20% off until Bastille Day because it is too hot to lift to hardcover. That is just science. Dave, please remind our listeners what the Exhibit B cart does automatically. Dave: [29:46] Yeah, we'll be happy to. Exhibit B books where the cart does the math. Sarah: [29:50] Yeah. Dave: [29:52] As Sarah mentioned, we are heading into a break. So here's what's coming up all mishmashed up for you. You figure out what episodes they're going to be in. That'll be fun game for you guys. We've got the bear season four. We're going to be talking about that. We're going to be talking about a show called Nautilus. Well, that sounds underwater excitement. We have the ER draft coming up with Bezoar Laura filling in one of our drafty chairs. We've got Tequila and Benetti in the four sitting pool, which that was a journey. We've got the last of three of these with the Larry Sanders show presenting there. And we don't know what's going to be in the very last episode of our break because I might be at jury duty, I found out recently. So we'll see how that goes. Tara: [30:36] It's more, let's see if the break continues because Dave is not here. Dave: [30:40] Right. Tara: [30:41] Yeah. Dave: [30:48] It is time for the Extra Hot Great Canon presenting this week. It is Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [30:55] Yo, if it please the court, I will now present Law & Order Season 9, Episode 20, Empire, for inclusion in the Extra Hot Great Canon. And I would like to start by suggesting a side I am not a crackpot entry. Let's just call it the Julia Roberts one instead, because let's face it, that's what everyone remembers about it. And that's mostly why we're here. Empire aired May 5th, 1999, and is ostensibly based on parts of a handful of real cases. The poisoning of William Rice by his lawyer and his butler, I'm not seeing it, the West Side Stadium melodrama among Rudy Giuliani, George Steinbrenner, and Donald Trump. In my opinion, it maps more closely onto Clark Rockefeller or James Hoag, but the plot is only important in so much as it lets Julia Roberts, then in her early imperial period, after My Best Friend's Wedding, but before Erin Brockovich catapulted her from America's sweetheart to Hollywood royalty. Sarah: [31:54] Bring the full range of her powers to bear on the role of Katrina Ludlow, a so-called charity liaison who conspired with a scumbag developer to poison her lover with Viagra so that said lover couldn't drop the developer's stadium project bond rating. Then she leverages her chemistry with one of the detectives to torpedo the case while being an absolute Hall of Fame zero degrees Kelvin bitch about it pretty much the entire time. But we will get back to that. First, I will assert that the relevant ripped from the headlines bit here is not the episode's plot, but rather that Roberts' then boyfriend, Benjamin Bratt, of course, plays Detective Ray Curtis. Roberts' guest shot was a huge deal at the time, if I recall correctly, enough so that a lot of folks who didn't care about Law & Order one way or the other, probably watch the episode. And if you poll a bunch of civilians to name any 10 episodes of the show, I'm betting you hear this one on most of the lists. I think that's the first argument for putting the Julia Roberts one in the canon. The second argument is that there's plenty in the Julia Roberts one for regular viewers of the show. There's Briscoe, Jerry Orbach, with a rimshot line to send us into the credits. there's emmy rogers my old neighbor leslie hendrix hey girl not stinting on her commentary clip one. Sarah: [33:24] There's Adam Schiff, Stephen Hill, freaking shit that McCoy, Sam Watterson, and Carmichael, Angie Harmon, plan to prosecute one of his shitty Richie friends, which could make things awk at the Columbia Club. And there's the customary compliment of franchise Hey It's That Guys, including Daniel Hugh Kelly as the Richie friend, murderous developer Julian Spector. You probably remember Kelly best as the bigoted councilman that Chris Nose Logan punched out in the fifth season finale, punching his own ticket to an exile on the Isle of Staten in the process. And the great Edward Herman as Counselor Mosbeck, heard here cross-examining Katrina Ludlow, formerly known as Catherine McGurk, clip two. Well, again, half of Manhattan is not our concern here. Our concern is. Sarah: [34:24] Was that you? Temperature drops 50 degrees. Yes. I mean, side note, it wasn't. Briarcliff had actually been sold to Pace University in the late 70s. Before that, the college president was Josiah Bunting III, no relation. Sarah: [34:42] Back to my presentation. The third argument, and the one that counts, is Roberts' performance. She was nominated for a guest Emmy, and with all due respect to the winner that year, Deborah Monk, give me a fucking break. Sarah: [34:55] Roberts is in control of Empire from the minute she appears on screen. I am obliged to note here that in this legendarily visual medium of podcasting, many of Roberts' most transcendently hateful moments are silent. A smug quarter smile here, a frigid glare there. But in a couple of scenes, you can actually hear the thermometer plummeting into the single digits, as here, when Briscoe's attempt to rattle Katrina's cage and or save Curtis from his flirty self earns him one of the all-time primetime side-eyes, Clip 3. Sarah: [36:19] Or here, when the customary fourth-act ADA double-team fails to intimidate the episode's chief culprit. The loathing between Carmichael and Katrina is immediate and fairly crackles, but you kind of have to admire how much pleasure Katrina is taking in burning the government's case and Ray to the ground. And how much pleasure Roberts is taking in playing a jellied striver whose success relies on, you know, acting. Clip 4. How about this? I take a complete stroll. Tara: [37:39] At least he didn't need to take them. Sarah: [37:42] Absolute queen. My apologies to our regular listeners. You've heard that clip before. I argued for Katrina in our one-off character bracket in episode 553, but girlfriend is literally licking her chops in this scene. Katrina gets away with it, too, functionally. A jury does convict Spectre, but he'll be out on bail and free to continue with the stadium project on appeal. And Katrina gets one last remorselessly snotty go-home-to-your-wife in on Ray before strutting down the courthouse steps and, in my opinion, into history. You could make the argument that this was perhaps not quite as difficult an acting challenge for La Roberts as her girlfriend-next-door image to that point might have suggested. Even if that's true and going full megabitch was not a stretch for her, you still have to go out and play the course, as they say, and Roberts is masterful. She is memorable. And even the characters who have her number can only make this fucking broad faces at a functional scammer who took a multi-million dollar payday to kill a finance fuckwad with dick pills. And I'm not sure I'd convict her either, honestly. But I hope that my conviction that the Julia Roberts one is entertaining and significant will win Empire a spot in the extra hot great canon. Tara: [39:08] Sarah thank you so much Jessica you chose this from our options yes please start us off. Jessica: [39:14] As Sarah noted, when I looked at the list and I Googled which Law & Order one this was, I literally said to myself, oh, the Julia Roberts one. So exactly. This is what exactly – I mean, I thought she had won the Emmy for it, but I didn't actually bother to look it up. I love Law & Order. This is a really good episode. I think it's really fun. It's one of the rare ones, in my opinion, where they have like a big celebrity and the celebrity did not actually – no, I guess she did kill him. But he was not actually like a crazy, like stabby, psychotic murderer, because I think sometimes when you have your A-lister on Law & Order, they want to really go balls to the wall insane. So I remember at the time thinking it was a little hacky that she was on there because she was dating Benjamin Brad and it was like a little corny. And I think it still is a little corny, but in a way that you kind of got to appreciate. Like it kind of like the time Brad Pitt was on Friends. You're like, oh, we get it. Like you called it a favor. but she clearly like really commits to it. Ray is such a doofus in this episode. Like why don't you send Lenny Briscoe with this woman for the weekend? First of all, I want to see that because I think it would be hilarious. Tara: [40:22] Yes. Jessica: [40:23] Second of all, it's so obvious. What are you guys doing? Tara: [40:26] Yes. Jessica: [40:26] I also would like to, I mean, I wish this had been a two-parter in a sense because I would also have loved to see more of her and Angie Harmon, my favorite ADA, like bitching at each other. Like I think we could have gotten just like an hour of improv of the two of them just being real bitches to each other. And I think that would have been fun. Yeah, this was very fun to revisit. Tara: [40:48] I'll go next. I agree. When we get to the part where he she gives him the pills, and he's like, I have to make a call. And it's to his poor wife, instead of like to a cop, like, come and pick up this evidence, please. You know where it's gonna go. But it's still fun to watch because she is so it's always fun to me to see an actor acting like they're acting, which is what she's doing here. Even before you know how much of a scammer she definitely is, you can still tell there's something off about her. And that's why it's so funny, like Sarah said, that, you know, Van Buren and Carmichael are both like, I can't put my finger on it. There's just something about her I don't like. And all of the men are like, no, she seems great. She's so charitable. You know, like not to be gender essentialist about it, but there's something to that, you know, and when Carmichael's like, I hate to sell it, this sisterhood, it's like, no, you don't love it. Sarah: [41:44] No, you don't. You're loving it. Totally. Tara: [41:47] Of course, this was a sweeps episode in 1999. But the touches of like how far in the past that actually was when she's like, I'm the Rolodex queen. Like, here's my pager. It's like, oh, you can't really tell from the fashions. But this really was a long time ago in a different kind of world. And in how all of this charity stuff was done. And at the end, when she's like, everyone is going to know I had a part in this stadium that's going to be, you know, will still be standing in 100 years i was like first of all it definitely won't the only thing that municipalities like to build is new stadiums and wreck the old ones a b this this is what you're trying you're using all of these incredible gifts for to build a football stadium aim higher what she is um she's fascinating to watch like sarah said you know one finance jerk getting killed because you know while cheating on his wife like it's hard to get that exercised about the injustice of it and you kind of want her to get away with it not only because she's julia roberts but she but because she played this whole thing so perfectly she earned it yeah great presentation sarah. Dave: [42:58] Hey mama mia it's me it's the italian guy from the start of the restaurant hey why are you coming to that restaurant and die hey whatever about that hey all the cops know that i didn't kill him but they're here now don't die in my restaurant i. Tara: [43:14] Was i totally like as sarah said i was waiting for a reveal when the cops are there for that guy to like just drop the fake accent and be like yeah i've. Dave: [43:21] Seen him before that's going to be great not. Tara: [43:23] Italian at all that was a 30 rock joke many years after this but yes. Dave: [43:27] Yeah i think you ordered the spaghetti oh my god that guy was my favorite part of the episode frankly i know julia roberts was there but this is season nine episode 20 the one with that italian guy from the restaurant uh-huh sure and then of course the capper to that whole scene is lenny saying he's got something straight uh-huh you know what it was his penis penis It's penis. Tara: [43:52] It's penis. Sarah: [43:53] I don't get it. Dave: [43:54] The only other thing nobody's mentioned that I wanted to bring attention to is it's been a hot minute since I've seen the indicator of global economics being the American businessman who has to talk on the phone in Japanese to the person on the other side of it because that's where all the money comes from, don't you know? Tara: [44:14] Yep. Dave: [44:14] Yeah, it was a really fun episode and Julie Roberts is great in it. I don't think I've seen it since it aired originally, but you're right. It's definitely like in the top five episodes you would name. Julia Roberts, Monkey and a Basketball. Tara: [44:27] That's SVU, but yes. Dave: [44:29] Yeah, sure. But same franchise. I think we can count it. Tara: [44:32] Okay. Dave: [44:32] They're still friends to this day. Tara: [44:36] Julia Roberts and the Monkey? I see. Dave: [44:40] Of course. Tara: [44:41] Yes. They see each other at all the reunions. Dave: [44:44] All right. Let's put this to the vote. Jessica Morgan, let's say you. canon worthy or not? Jessica: [44:48] Yes, of course. Obviously. Dave: [44:50] Tara Arianna? Tara: [44:51] Yes, of course. Obviously. Dave: [44:52] Alright, but only for this guy. He's a nice character. Hey! It's me doing the cameo saying this is in the extra integrated canon of season 9, episode 20, the one with Julia Roberts. It's a nice and good gangster. Hey! Dave: [45:21] It is time for the winner and loser of the week. Tara has this week's winner. Tara: [45:25] I do. It is a show coming to Peacock called The Five Star Weekend. I don't know what it's about, but I know who's in it because they keep making casting announcements. They've gotten a ton of A-list stars. Jennifer Garner, for example. We haven't seen her acting since Party Down, but the latest to join the crowd, obligatory for us to mention him. Who is it, Dave? Dave: [45:48] Oh, boy. Sarah: [45:56] Off with his. Tara: [45:57] Pants love it when he books a role sad to see him in stick because it was so boring but happy to see him in the five-star weekend whenever it comes out our old friend timothy oliphant. Dave: [46:07] Sarah who is our loser of the week please. Sarah: [46:10] It is ryan murphy jack schlossberg has advised against the quote grotesque depiction of his cousin or uncle maybe jfk jr in american love story which is about jfk jr and what's it's beset carolyn beset i don't know why i can't, ever pull that name ryan murphy's depiction of that relationship is literally the least of your problems right now maureen callahan's ask not the oral bio of jfk jr from last year like ryan murphy makes his mistakes with these franchises but good lord like your your issue Sarah: [46:54] is not necessarily with him the casting maybe speaking. Dave: [46:58] About making mistakes you know what time it is. Tara: [47:00] It's game time. Sarah: [47:01] Oh yeah game time. Dave: [47:15] Welcome back to Game Time. This is the seventh of the season. The scores currently are Tara with three, Sarah with two, value guess with one. Today we are playing same name game from Seth who earns himself an extra credit. Topic of their choosing plus a free shirt from our store. This game is simple, right Seth? Players are provided with three actor names and must identify the character name that they have all shared on TV at some point. So I'll give you the actor's names, these actors have all played characters with the same name or part of name on television. Could be first name, could be last name, could be nickname, alter ego. You got to figure it out. Spelling doesn't matter as long as it sounds the same. An immediate correct answer is worth two points. For a hint, you, the player, can choose one actor and I will reveal the show where they played the character. Sarah: [48:10] Okay. Dave: [48:11] After that, the answer is worth one. You can answer at both parts of the question. No show is used more than once. Tara: [48:19] Okay. Dave: [48:19] All right. Steel meals, please start. Tara: [48:22] Thank you, Dave. Sarah D. Bunting has two. I have five. Valued guest has one plus Eric's meal for a total of two. Dave: [48:31] All right, Jessica, Eric's meal is just a steel meal, but it rolls over. So you probably should try to use it if you can. Okay, we've got 27 questions. One growth worth equalizer zone right in the middle. It's sort of picky to see who's going first. All right, Jessica's in the hot seat. And then we'll go to Sarah and then Tara. Are we ready to play same name game? Tara: [48:56] Yes. Sarah: [48:56] Yes. Dave: [48:57] All right, Jessica, I'm going to give you three actors. They are Mike Coulter, John Noble, and Lamorne Morris. They all played a character on television with a shared name. Could be the first name, could be the last name, nickname, alter ego, part of a name. But you have to figure out what it is. And if you don't know, you can just ask for a hint. I'll give you the show an actor of your choice was in where they played this character with the name that is shared amongst them. All right. What are you thinking? Jessica: [49:30] Oh, man. I'm thinking I'm screwed. I can think of what shows all these people are in, but what are their characters' names? I don't know. Dave: [49:40] Mike Coulter. Jessica: [49:41] I mean, Evil, probably, or The Good Wife. I don't remember what his name is. Tara: [49:46] He was in both. Yeah. Jessica: [49:47] Yeah, he's on Fringe, which I did not watch. Dave: [49:51] Lamar Morris. Jessica: [49:51] Lamar is in New Girl and other stuff that I probably didn't watch, but I don't remember what his name is in New Girl. I just remember he loved puzzles and fruity drinks. I don't know this one. Dave: [50:02] Okay. Jessica: [50:03] I don't know it. Dave: [50:04] Is it going to give up? Jessica: [50:05] Yeah. Dave: [50:06] Okay. All right. So anybody want to steal the list? She's giving up. She's giving up. Tara: [50:10] Okay. Dave: [50:12] Anything? No? All right. Tara: [50:14] Yeah, I don't want to steal it, but it's Bishop, right? Dave: [50:16] Bishop, yes. Last name for each of those characters is named Bishop. All right, Sarah DeBunting. Peter Carrausa. Adam Driver. George Hertzberg. Sarah: [50:29] Hmm. Peter Krause. Dave: [50:32] Peter Krause. Sarah: [50:34] Adam Driver. George Hertzberg. They're all named Adam? Dave: [50:41] You are correct. Adam Braverman from Parenthood, Adam Sackler from Girls, and Adam from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Sarah: [50:48] Oh my God. Tara: [50:50] For two points? Dave: [50:51] Two points. Tara: [50:52] Okay. Dave: [50:53] Tara. Tara: [50:53] Yep. Dave: [50:54] Maggie Siff, Rutina Wesley, Toni Collette, Tara. Correct. Tara Knowles, Son of Anarchy. Tara Thornton, Blue Blood. And Tara Gregson, the United States of Tara. Back to Jessica. Your actors are Lee Majors, Joe Keery, Jaleel White. Jessica: [51:18] Steve? Dave: [51:19] Is correct. Steve Austin, Steve Harrington. Jessica: [51:22] Steve Urkel, Six Million Dollar Man. Thank you, Urkel. Dave: [51:24] Stranger Things, Family Matters. Jessica: [51:27] Nice. Sarah: [51:27] Thank you urkel yes gillian. Dave: [51:32] Jacobs sandra o harriet samson harris. Sarah: [51:37] Oh harriet samson harris uh, gillian jacobs's character was named as they what was the middle one again sandra o uh oh god i don't think this is i don't think this is correct christina. Dave: [52:00] All right and i can ask for any of those actors i would tell you the show they were in maybe you can narrow it down from there. Sarah: [52:06] I have a feeling i know which show they were in but let's try which one are we talking about for sandra oh sandra. Dave: [52:14] Oh we're talking about killing eve Steve. Sarah: [52:17] Oh. Dave: [52:20] You shouldn't have to think about it for this long. I'm going to buzz you soon, just on principle. Sarah: [52:28] Eve. Dave: [52:28] There we go. All right. Eve for one point. Correct. That was Eve Wilkins from Invincible. Tara: [52:34] Oh, sure. Sarah: [52:35] Oh, okay. Dave: [52:35] Eve Palastri from Killing Eve. And then Eve, six, seven, and eight from The X-Files. Tara: [52:40] Oh, right. Jessica: [52:41] Oh, right. Sarah: [52:41] Oh, okay. I got hung up on her Frasier character. Jessica: [52:44] Me too. Sarah: [52:45] Anyway. Dave: [52:46] Back to TAR. Tara: [52:47] Yep. Dave: [52:47] James Spader. Kate Mulgrew. Kurtwood Smith. Tara: [52:52] Red. Dave: [52:53] Red is correct. red reddington on blacklist uh red orange is a new black and red from that oh my. Jessica: [53:03] God yeah oh i'm bad at this game you guys i don't remember anybody's names all right. Dave: [53:08] Back to jessica this is yours here we go we've got lena hetty grace sabrisky tatiana maslany maslany um irena, That is incorrect, but now you can grab one of those actors' shows. Help you narrow it down. Tara: [53:30] I'm going to give you a hint. Don't say Tatiana Maslany, because that could be any one of 1,000. Sarah: [53:35] Character names. Yeah. Dave: [53:37] Well, you don't give me a... Jessica: [53:38] Lena Headey? Dave: [53:40] The show that she was in with the character name in question is Terminator, the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Jessica: [53:48] Sarah? Dave: [53:49] Yeah, there we go. Good hint. Jessica: [53:52] Better than Twin Peaks. Dave: [53:55] Or Orphan Black. Jessica: [53:57] I was like is it the log lady are these people all the log lady back. Dave: [54:02] To Sarah you've got David Hull D.D. Wong Jennifer Goodwin. Sarah: [54:11] David Hull. Dave: [54:14] And his brother from across the river, David Ottawa. Tara: [54:20] Daniel McEachern really liked that joke. Dave: [54:22] Yep. Sarah: [54:23] Rose? Dave: [54:25] Incorrect. Pick an actor. I'll tell you the show he's in where he plays a character with a common name with everybody else. Sarah: [54:31] David Hull. Dave: [54:32] He was in Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. Sarah: [54:37] Josh? Tara: [54:39] That was his name. he was White Josh, but I don't remember his last name. Dave: [54:43] David Hull played White Josh. B.D. Wong played White Rose. Sarah: [54:47] Oh, White Rose. Dave: [54:48] Jennifer Goodwin played Snow White. Jessica: [54:50] Oh, God, this is hard. Sarah: [54:52] I cannot believe I remembered that shit from Mr. Robot. Dave: [54:55] B.D. Wong and Mr. Robot is correct. Alright, Tara. Tara: [54:58] Yes. Dave: [54:59] Wanda Sykes, Steve Buscemi, John DeLancey. Tara: [55:04] Q? Dave: [55:05] Q is correct. Wanda Sykes played Q in the other two. Tara: [55:09] Right. Dave: [55:09] Q Steve Buscemi from Phantasmus and Q from Star Trek Next Generation, John Delancey. Tara: [55:16] Wanda Sykes played Q in the other two? I don't think that's right. Dave: [55:19] Yeah, Shuli Kerak, a.k.a. Q of Q and I. Tara: [55:22] Oh, Q Serac, I see. Okay, got it. Dave: [55:24] Q was like Q? Tara: [55:25] Yep, yep, yep, continue. Dave: [55:27] To Jessica, Rob Paulson, Amy Jo Johnson, Aaron Paul. Jessica: [55:33] Man. Jesse? Tara: [55:37] That's what I would have said. Dave: [55:38] That's incorrect. All right, pick one of those actors. I'll tell you the show in question. Tara: [55:41] Oh, wait, I just got it. Jessica: [55:45] Adam Paul. Or what's his name? Yeah, Aaron Paul. Oh, my God. Dave: [55:49] All right, did you say Amy Jo Johnson? Jessica: [55:52] No. Yes, I did. I did say Amy Jo Johnson. Dave: [55:55] Okay, Amy Jo Johnson's show in question is Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Jessica: [56:02] This doesn't help me. Pink. Dave: [56:05] Correct. Jessica: [56:06] Oh, my God. that was a shot in. Dave: [56:09] The dark I'm very bad this game well done you have Aaron Pierre Ross Marquod Adam Reed. Sarah: [56:22] Marquod yeah oh boy Adam Reed. Dave: [56:27] Tough one Archer, alright which one of those actors you want to get the show for mark mark mark mark ward yeah x-men 97 the cartoon so he's a voice actor oh uh x x yes uh pierre malcolm x ingenious mark quad professor x and adam reed awesome x from prissy dingo x is the commonality nicely done tara yes you got james buckley john lovitz and Ed O'Neill. Tara: [57:12] J. Dave: [57:13] J is correct. James Buckley, J. Cartwright from the Inbetweeners, Lovitz, J. Sherman, The Critic, Ed O'Neill, J. Pritchett, Modern Family. Sarah: [57:22] My God, never would have gotten that. Jessica: [57:24] Me neither. I'm so bad at this game. All right, let's go. Dave: [57:27] This one's like twice as hard as that one, so I apologize. Jessica: [57:30] Well, great. Okay. Dave: [57:31] You got Mary Kay Bergman or Debbie Derryberry. So two actors, you know, they share their role. aj cook jimmy walker i'm. Jessica: [57:44] Gonna say jimmy. Dave: [57:45] Okay any of those i can give you the show for. Jessica: [57:50] I have no idea. Dave: [57:51] I would i i i would just say just because you're so confusing that you want to probably take the first hint for that weird double roll okay. Jessica: [58:00] I'll take the first one because there's two people i need to know more about that. Dave: [58:03] Terrible choice here we go the show in question is J.J. the Jet Plane. Jessica: [58:09] Well, I'll say J.J. then. Dave: [58:11] Twice as hard as Tara's, it's J.J. Correct. Jessica: [58:14] I think I'm getting a little help here. Thank you. Dave: [58:17] J.J. the Jet Plane, Criminal Minds and Good Times. All characters named or nicknamed J.J. Sarah D. Bunting. You got Alexander Koch, if it's pronounced like the mayor. Bruce Campbell. Dominic Chianese is your last. Sarah: [58:38] What was the first name again? Dave: [58:40] Alexander Koch. K-O-C-H. Sarah: [58:46] Junior. Dave: [58:48] You are correct. James Jr. Rennie under the dome. Bruce Campbell, Briscoe County Jr. And Dominic was Junior Soprano. All right. This will take us into our score break. It is for Tara. you've got Jim Rash Nabhan Rizwan Jason Manzoukas Dean, alright pick an actor I'll give you the show okay Jason Manzoukas Percy Jackson and and at no extra cost to you the Olympians yeah. Tara: [59:29] He plays Dionysus but which part of that is gonna be it. Dave: [59:35] I'm going to give you it. It is Dionysus. Jim Rash plays them in Krapopolis. Tara: [59:39] Oh. Dave: [59:40] Rizwan in Chaos. And Manzoukas in Percy Jackson. Sarah: [59:44] Oh, wow. Jessica: [59:45] That is hard. Sarah: [59:45] All right, Dionysus. Dave: [59:47] Time for the scores, please. Tara: [59:50] Okay. Do we have an equalizer challenge? Dave: [59:53] Yes, we do. Tara: [59:53] Okay. I have nine. Sarah has six. Jessica has a five. Dave: [59:58] All right. That means, Jessica, time for you to catch up in the equalizer zone. Jessica: [1:00:02] All right. I won't. Sarah: [1:00:03] Yeah, buddy. Tara: [1:00:04] Woo! Dave: [1:00:08] All right jessica because we've been so generous with the hints today we're also going to let you pick oh my god pursuit box you want to try to answer i have 80s i've got 90s i've got the pop culture dvd sets and if you're feeling super brave i got the original star trek box which nobody should don't. Jessica: [1:00:24] Do that i'm. Dave: [1:00:25] Not gonna. Jessica: [1:00:25] Do that um. Dave: [1:00:26] The 90s box includes the year we're talking about which is a nice little bonus piece of information yeah. Jessica: [1:00:31] Let's do 90s. Dave: [1:00:32] Answer three of these six questions we're going to give you three points sweep we'll double it to six a lot of points at risk here we go change everything first question is from 1993 okay what did kramer dub the dreaded apparatus wet and wild and the big e on seinfeld oh. Jessica: [1:00:56] My god i should know this the dreaded apparatus. Dave: [1:01:00] The dreaded apparatus wet and wild and the big E I can just hear him say. Jessica: [1:01:07] Like wet and wild Jerry um I have no idea I don't know that. Sarah: [1:01:11] Hand motion was. Dave: [1:01:13] Anybody know this one? enema oh of course wow alright can't sweep now but you still get three points and. Jessica: [1:01:23] I did my Kramer imitation for you guys. Dave: [1:01:28] 1998 Jessica for your second question not. Tara: [1:01:31] To dox you but you were alive I was. Dave: [1:01:33] What Fox star gained notoriety for on-air smooches with Jane Krakowski Courtney Thorne Smith and Lucy Liu, Calista Flockhart. Jessica: [1:01:49] Oh, damn it. Right show, wrong actor. Dave: [1:01:52] 1996. What first names do... Also alive. What first names do Mulder and Scully answer to? Jessica: [1:02:02] Oh, my God. Tara: [1:02:03] Come on. Jessica: [1:02:03] Dana and Fox. I do know this one. I have a totally lost my mind. Thank God. Dave: [1:02:08] Now, technically, you got them in the wrong order, but we're going to give it to you. Jessica: [1:02:10] Well, that's true. Sarah: [1:02:12] Jesus. Dave: [1:02:13] You need two more out of the next three to get your points. What Cartoon Network show headlines a brother and sister from two different species? 1998. Jessica: [1:02:23] I have literally no idea. I will never do this. Dave: [1:02:25] So the show is two animal names. Jessica: [1:02:27] That makes no difference to me. Cat and dog. Dave: [1:02:31] No. Cow and chicken. Jessica: [1:02:33] Okay. Sarah: [1:02:34] Oh, yeah. Dave: [1:02:35] All right. You got to get these last two. Jessica: [1:02:37] Oh, my God. My performance is suffering today. All right. I appreciate the support. Dave: [1:02:42] Oh, my goodness. Tara: [1:02:43] You can. Dave: [1:02:44] I hope you were paying attention earlier. Tara: [1:02:46] Nope. Dave: [1:02:46] 1997. What former New York City mayor filled Joseph Wapner's judicial shoes on the revived People's Court? Jessica: [1:02:56] Was it Ed Koch? Dave: [1:02:58] It was. Tara: [1:02:59] Nice. Jessica: [1:02:59] Oh, my God. I was paying attention. Sarah: [1:03:01] I actually would have guessed wrong, Rudy Giuliani. Jessica: [1:03:04] I also would have guessed Giuliani. Tara: [1:03:06] It all comes down to this. Dave: [1:03:09] It does all come down to this. From 1992. Alive or dead? Jessica: [1:03:15] Oh, alive. Dave: [1:03:16] Okay, great. What MTV cartoon showcase the exploits of Powdered Toast Man? Jessica: [1:03:25] Okay, 1992, I was in high school. My mother did not really let me watch on TV. Dave: [1:03:31] Outer Toast Man! Jessica: [1:03:34] Uh, I have really no idea. Space Ghost? Dave: [1:03:38] Oh. Tara: [1:03:39] It's a good guess. Sarah: [1:03:39] Oh. Dave: [1:03:40] The Red and Stimpy Show. Jessica: [1:03:42] Oh, yeah. Dave: [1:03:44] Oh, that was a heartbreaker. So close. Jessica: [1:03:46] Yeah. You guys, I don't watch anything animated. Sarah: [1:03:49] International Log. Dave: [1:03:52] All right, so no change in scores. We're a little over halfway done. Let's get back to it. Jessica, you're up again. Jessica: [1:03:58] Oh, God. Here I go again. Dave: [1:04:00] Summer Glau, Alex Kingston, Jack Loudon. All shared a character name. What is that character name? Once again, Summer Glau, Alex Kingston, Jack Loudon. Jessica: [1:04:14] Alex? Dave: [1:04:17] All right. Name and actor. I'll give you the show we're talking about. Jessica: [1:04:21] I guess Summer Glau. Dave: [1:04:23] Firefly is the show. Jessica: [1:04:25] I have no idea. Beth. Dave: [1:04:27] I have no idea. Anybody know this one? Any steel mills? Tara: [1:04:32] Not for steel. Sarah: [1:04:33] I'm not going to steel. Dave: [1:04:34] Okay. The answer there was River. Jessica: [1:04:36] Oh, all right. Dave: [1:04:37] All right. This is question 17. Jessica: [1:04:39] I'm just going to start saying names. Just random names. Sarah: [1:04:41] You should. Tara: [1:04:41] Spreading them. Dave: [1:04:42] Oh, sorry. Summerglow, River from Firefly. Alice Kingston, River Song from Doctor Who. And Jack Loudon from Slow Horses. Jessica: [1:04:50] Oh, all right. Sarah: [1:04:51] Oh, I totally forgot. Dave: [1:04:52] All right. Sarah D. Bunting, question 17. Matt Stone. Peter Serafinowicz Paul F. Tompkins are your three actors all played characters with something in their names, first name, last name part of their name, nickname that is the same. What is it? Bob Nope Which actor do you want the show for? Sarah: [1:05:18] I would like Matt Stone please. Dave: [1:05:21] Matt Stone We're talking about South Park Paul F. Sarah: [1:05:26] Tompkins, Whichever one I pick, I feel like it's wrong So. Dave: [1:05:32] Kyle Nope He. Tara: [1:05:34] Did play Kyle. Dave: [1:05:35] Anybody know this one? Tara: [1:05:36] No Eric? Dave: [1:05:37] Matt Stone Nope Matt Stone played Butters on South Park Pierre Serafidowitz We have Brian Butterfield with the Butterfield Dive Plan And Paul F. Compton's Mr. Peanut Butter from BoJack Horseman The answer there was Butter That. Jessica: [1:05:52] Was hard That was rough. Dave: [1:05:54] Tara Yes Mike Smith. Jane Horrocks. Andre Royo. Tara: [1:06:04] Bubble. Dave: [1:06:05] Bubble, yes. Bubble from Trailer Park Boys, Bubble from Ab Fab, and Bubbles from The Wire. Jessica: [1:06:12] Commonality Bubble. I knew that one. Sarah: [1:06:14] It's the only one I knew. It's the only one I knew. Jessica: [1:06:16] Yep. Oh. Dave: [1:06:21] Back to Jessica for 19, Mac McComb, Rosario Dawson, Regina King. I'll have a common name, part of name, nickname, something like that in common with the characters they have played on television. Jessica: [1:06:39] I'm just going to start saying names. Jane. Dave: [1:06:44] Incorrect. I can give you one of the shows we're talking about for an actor of your choosing. Jessica: [1:06:48] Um, let's, you guys, what I've realized is when I watch a TV show, I never learn the names. I just think like, oh, there's Ryan Atwood and Regina King are cops. Let's see what Regina King. Dave: [1:07:02] Regina King's show is Watchmen. Jessica: [1:07:05] Oh, gosh. I don't remember what her character's name there. I was like, oh, Regina King is great in this show. I don't know. I'm going to say Francis. Dave: [1:07:14] Nope. Anybody know this one? Tara: [1:07:16] I do. Dave: [1:07:17] What is it? Tara: [1:07:17] I'm not going to steal. Knight. Dave: [1:07:19] Knight, yes. We had Matt McComb from Nightman, the saxophone playing superhero. Insert theme here, Dave, in post. We've got Claire Temple, a.k.a. Night Nurse from Daredevil and all the other Netflix street team shows. Jessica: [1:07:36] Ah, yes. Dave: [1:07:37] And Regina King from Watchmen plays Sister Knight. Jessica: [1:07:41] I did. That's the only one of those I've seen, yes. Dave: [1:07:44] Sarah D. Bunting. Joel Murray. Robert Mandan, I have to say it like that, Mandan, Dennis Weaver are your three actors. Don't get too hung up on Joel Murray. Oh, you might want to ask for that as a hint. Sarah: [1:08:04] I mean, but the thing is, I think that's the one that I know. Can I have the final name, please? Dave: [1:08:11] Dennis Weaver. Sarah: [1:08:13] Dennis Weaver. Dave: [1:08:14] He makes pots. Sarah: [1:08:17] And baskets. All right. Maybe I'm wrong. Joel Murray. Dave: [1:08:23] All right. Joel Murray on television is responsible for Cheetos commercials from 86 to 1997. Sarah: [1:08:34] Chester. Dave: [1:08:35] Is correct. Tara: [1:08:36] Nice. Dave: [1:08:37] Chester Cheetah. Robert Mandan, Chester Tate from Soap. Tara: [1:08:41] Oh, sure. Dave: [1:08:41] And then Dennis Weaver, Chester Good from Gunsmoke. for all you super old people out there. Sarah: [1:08:48] Naturally. Tara: [1:08:49] Yes. Dave: [1:08:50] Ron Funches, Kate Jackson, Ian McShane. Tara: [1:08:55] Oh, King. Dave: [1:08:56] King, yes. King Shark from Harley Quinn, Ron Funches. Kate Jackson, Mrs. King from Scarecrow and. Jessica: [1:09:02] Oh, sure. Dave: [1:09:04] And King Silas Benjamin from Kings was Ian McShane. Jessica: [1:09:08] Wow. Dave: [1:09:09] Back to Jessica. Jessica: [1:09:10] Cool. Dave: [1:09:11] Everybody has two questions left. You've got Jeffrey Tambor, Matthew Perry, Carol Spinney, Spinney, Spinney, Spinney. Jessica: [1:09:25] Oh, well, Carol Spinney's Big Bird. Matthew Perry's Chandler Bing. Those do not go together. Who's the first guy? Dave: [1:09:36] Jeffrey Tambor. Disgraced Jeffrey Tambor. Jessica: [1:09:39] Right, right, right, right, right. I can't remember his name. Tara: [1:09:41] We miss him not. Jessica: [1:09:43] Um, Bing? Dave: [1:09:45] Incorrect. You can grab a show for any of those actors that would help you narrow it down. Jessica: [1:09:50] Well, give me a show for Matthew Perry. Dave: [1:09:53] We're talking about Matthew Perry's appearance in The Odd Couple. Jessica: [1:09:58] Okay. I forgot that existed. Dave: [1:10:02] So here's my strategy for you, Jessica. Figure out what it might be if it wasn't Big Bird. And then we're back from there. Jessica: [1:10:11] This doesn't help me at all. Tara: [1:10:12] That doesn't help if they don't know what other voice is that... Dave: [1:10:15] I know, but I mean, if you take a guess... Jessica: [1:10:17] Snuffleupagus? Like, I don't know. Dave: [1:10:18] Yes, exactly. It's Snuffleupagus. Jessica: [1:10:19] You're correct. Dave: [1:10:22] Any other guesses? Jessica: [1:10:24] Who was it? No, I have literally no... No, I don't know. Dave: [1:10:27] Okay, what if I told you Jeffrey Tambor's character is from Arrested Development? Jessica: [1:10:31] Yeah, I don't remember what his name is on the show, because I think, hey, there's Jeffrey Tambor in Arrested Development. He's doing great. Dave: [1:10:36] Carol also, in addition to Big Bird, assuming that is true, I believe you. Tara: [1:10:40] It is. Jessica: [1:10:41] That is true. I do know that one. Dave: [1:10:42] Played a trash can dwelling creature. Jessica: [1:10:46] Oh, Oscar. My favorite. Oscar. Dave: [1:10:48] Yeah. Jessica: [1:10:49] I should have thought harder about Odd Couple, honestly. I think I would have gotten there if I'd had like an hour. Felix and Oscar. Dave: [1:10:56] We got time. We got time. Jessica: [1:10:58] No. Just put me out of my misery. Let this, let this, I'm just going to leave. Dave: [1:11:02] Okay. Great. We're so sorry. Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:11:06] Yes. Dave: [1:11:07] Paul Fusco. Ben McKenzie. Jennifer Love Hewitt. Sarah: [1:11:13] Who was the first one? Dave: [1:11:15] Paul Fusco. Sarah: [1:11:16] Ryan? Dave: [1:11:18] That's not correct, but you can snag a show for any of those actors. Sarah: [1:11:23] I guess the Fusk. Dave: [1:11:25] Good choice. The Fusk was in Elf. Sarah: [1:11:30] Elf? Dave: [1:11:31] No. But if it wasn't Elf, what would it be? I mean, if the name wasn't Elf. Any idea here? Going deep into Elf lore. Tara: [1:11:41] Right. Sarah: [1:11:42] Oh, where was he from? Mic Mac or something like that? So Mac? Tara: [1:11:45] Mel Mac. Sarah: [1:11:46] Mel Mac. Mac? Dave: [1:11:47] Ben McKenzie played James Gordon in Gotham. Jennifer Love Hewitt. Melinda Gordon in The Ghost Whisper. And Alf, a.k.a. Gordon Shumway. So the commonality is Gordon. Tara? Tara: [1:12:01] Yeah. Sarah: [1:12:02] F. Dave: [1:12:02] Murray Abraham. Christopher Walken. Garrett Dillahunt. Tara: [1:12:10] Bert? Dave: [1:12:12] Burt is correct. Burt DeGrasso from White Lotus. Burt Goodman, Severance. Engelbert, Burt, Jebediah Chance from Raising Hope. All right, everybody's last question is here. I would like to get the score. Sarah: [1:12:26] Thank God. Jessica: [1:12:26] Thank you, Jesus. Tara: [1:12:27] Okay, Jessica has five. Sarah has seven. I have a number as well. Dave: [1:12:33] All right. Jessica: [1:12:34] And that number is 15. Dave: [1:12:35] Okay. Sarah: [1:12:36] That number is untouchable. Jessica: [1:12:38] We're getting chillacked. It's fine. Sarah: [1:12:40] Yeah. you get used to it honestly. Dave: [1:12:42] End on the high note everybody I'll do my best I'm going to try, Jessica you've got Corey Monteith that's the spirit Corey Monteith. Tara: [1:12:54] We miss him. Dave: [1:12:55] Jeremy Shahada Michael Shea Shahada probably Finn Finn is correct two points, the little girl who believed in her She did. Sarah: [1:13:12] End on a high note. Jessica: [1:13:13] Yay, I did it. Dave: [1:13:15] All right, pressure's on, Sarah. You've got Scott Porter, Robert Uric, Juliet Rylance. What part of a name or name or something? Sarah: [1:13:29] Oh, gosh. So the, sorry, the first name was? Dave: [1:13:33] Scott Porter, followed by Robert Urich, Juliet Rylance. Sarah: [1:13:38] I'm going to be mad. Dollar sign. Dave: [1:13:43] God, I wish. Sarah: [1:13:44] Thank you for laughing at that. Could I get the first names show, please? Dave: [1:13:51] Oh, Scott Porter from Friday Night Lights. I'm going to say the one you wanted was the last one, but we'll see. We'll see how it shakes out here for you. Sarah: [1:14:00] Oh, what was his name? That's not dollar sign and it's not six either, probably. Juliet Ryan. Maybe it is six. Is it six? Dave: [1:14:09] It is not. Juliet Ryan's show is Perry Mason. Does that help you out? Sarah: [1:14:14] Oh. Della? No, no. Street. Dave: [1:14:18] Street. Street. Jessica: [1:14:19] Oh, of course. Sarah: [1:14:20] That's all right. Dave: [1:14:21] All right, Tara. All right. Last question of regulation. You've got Scott Thompson, Julian McMahon, and Matthew Conaghy. Tara: [1:14:30] Oh, Matthew Conaghy on TV. Scott Thompson on TV. Give me the Matthew McConaughey show. Dave: [1:14:40] You've got True Detective. Tara: [1:14:44] And his name there was, of course. Oh, my God. I can't remember either of their names. I don't remember. I can't believe I didn't remember. No, seriously, I can't. Dave: [1:14:55] All right. It's not worth a steel mill. Tara: [1:14:57] No. Dave: [1:14:57] Using it up. Sarah: [1:14:58] No, it's not. Dave: [1:14:58] But Sarah Bunting has to know this one. Sarah: [1:15:01] Oh, fuck you, Cole. Tara: [1:15:02] Cole! Is it Cole or is it Russ? Oh, for Christ's sake, fuck off, Cole. Dave: [1:15:08] Buddy Cole from Kids in the Hall. Tara: [1:15:10] Yes. Dave: [1:15:10] Cole Turner from Charmed. Russ Cole from True Detective. That is regulation. Let's get the scores. Tara: [1:15:17] Oh, boy. Jessica and Sarah tied with 7 points apiece I had 15. Dave: [1:15:26] I've got the tiebreaker here so we're going to use it for an opportunity to win a steel mill for future use so Jessica playing for future value guess same format I'm going to read you 3 actors you tell me what the commonality in so far as it pertains to their name is are you ready? Mary Elizabeth Ellis Werner Herzog Phoebe Waller Bridge, Any ideas here? Sarah: [1:15:57] Bag Right? Jessica: [1:15:59] Incorrect Flea Is it flea? Dave: [1:16:03] I'll give you some hints now Everybody still in it? Waller Bridge Fleabag Werner Herzog Mandalorian Sure and Mary Elizabeth Ellis always sunny in Philadelphia what's the commonality no name no name is correct yes I'm no names good job the waitress that's kind of a trick question the client yeah and Fleabag yes a trick question for the tiebreaker yeah Jessica Morgan winning a steel mill for future well you guess well done all right, Dave: [1:16:43] good game everybody And that is it for this episode of Extra Hot Great. We dipped our toes into the waterfront before going around the dial with stops at the Gilded Age. Enjoying the opera wars, are you? The Valley and Trainwreck, the Astroworld Tragedy. Sarah scammed us into voting for Law and Order's The Julia Roberts episode into the Extra Hot Great canon. We crowned winners and losers of the week. And Tara was a winner of this week's Game Time from Seth. Next up is The Bear Season 4 on Extra, Extra Hot Great. Remember, we're listening. I am David T. Cole and on behalf of Tara Ariano. Tara: [1:17:21] Here's my pager number. Dave: [1:17:23] Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [1:17:24] Looks like you got something straight. Dave: [1:17:26] And Jessica Morgan. Jessica: [1:17:28] I touched a dead body. Dave: [1:17:31] Thanks for listening, everyone. And we'll see you next time right here on Extra Hot Great.