Telling The Tale Of Talamasca: The Secret Order

Clip: [0:13] Oh, who's in charge of branding? Dave: [0:23] This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast, Episode 380 for the November 1st, 2025 weekend. I am jailed, clicker-trained ghoul, David T. Cole. And I'm here with finest legal mind money can buy, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [0:44] I knew you were going to say that. Dave: [0:46] And private librarian, Tara Ariano. Tara: [0:58] Welcome to Extra, Extra Hot Great for another weekend. Thank you so much for your support. Thank you for letting us bring these podcasts to you. Thank you and then a question mark for forcing us to watch. I mean, no one forced us. We picked it ourselves. Actually, Dave picked it. Let's blame Dave. We watched Talamasca, The Secret Order. Here's what it's about. Tara: [1:21] Guy Anatole, played by Nicholas Denton, is a brand new graduate of NYU Law School, even though he had a scholarship that covered absolutely everything, he's broke and desperate to get a job at a high-paying firm despite his lack of connections. He has just failed to impress in an interview at a law firm called Cabot when suddenly he has moved to come back and aggressively sell himself and it totally works because he's clairvoyant and he could hear one of the young associate's thoughts in the interview telling him to do exactly that. But should Guy take the solid job at Cabot, or the more mysterious one offered by an organization called Talamasca, which might get him to the answers he has been seeking about his late mother and one he previously hadn't been, is she, in fact, still alive? The show is the latest entry in AMC's Immortal Universe shows based on the novels of Anne Rice. It was adapted for TV by writer-director John Lee Hancock, who previously brought us movies like The Rookie, Sarah, and The Blind Side, Dave, just kidding. The first two episodes premiered October 26. We got access to all six episodes of season one, but we will be careful about spoilers from episodes that have not aired yet. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch Talamasca colon The Secret Order? Sarah: [2:36] Now that you've titled it correctly. Tara: [2:39] Thank you. Sarah: [2:39] Yes. Just kidding. Yes, but it's like a 51% would be. Yes. Dave: [2:46] It's a hanging Chad. Yes. Tara: [2:48] Dave. Dave: [2:49] Yeah. Well, first of all, Cabot should be a cheese law firm. Tara: [2:52] It should. We don't know that they're not. They might practice cheese law. Dave: [2:55] That's true. I'm going to say, put this show in your second choice queue for that weekend where you're sick on the couch. So in that regards, I'm going to say yes. Tara: [3:05] It's a hard no for me. I was really bored. Sarah: [3:08] Wow. Okay. Tara: [3:09] Let's get into it. I get that all of the Anne Rice shows can't be as horny as Interview with a Vampire. But on the other hand, can't they just be as horny as Interview with a Vampire? Because I would like them better if they were. Dave. Dave: [3:21] Yeah, sure. I mean, it does have an energy that this one lacks. The only part where they sort of reproduce it is when there is another vampire in the room. Tara: [3:29] Yes. Dave: [3:30] And there is a scene with the Rushmore vampire, Jason Schwartzman, as a 300-year-old vampire showing this new recruit. Sarah: [3:37] Oh, the... Are there? Dave: [3:41] Psychokinetic ropes show him that other people have this gift that only he thought he had, blah, blah, blah. And it's not sexual tension, but there's a tension there that sort of reminds you of what was going on in Interview with the Vampire. Tara: [3:55] Yeah. Dave: [3:55] That scene and the scene with the actual author in-universe of Interview with a Vampire, he meets Eric Boghossian's character for a short little stint. And that scene was also really great. It reminded me of Interview with a Vampire. Of course, it helps that that is a character from that other show. Tara: [4:12] Yes. Dave: [4:12] Yes, the show moves slower than Interview with a Vampire, but it's also right at the start. But I kind of wish they could have got to the Supernatural spy fireworks factory a little faster than they did. But overall, it's basically like a slow burn spy show, except there's vampires. So if you sort of like get in that mindset, I think you're more tolerant of it. And I think that's where I ended up. Tara: [4:36] Yeah. I mean, the idea of different motherhouses spying on and scheming against each other has fun potential in a slow horses kind of way, but it was slow for me. But anyway, I sense this is probably, I'm not clairvoyant, but I sense this is where the 51% is for Sarah. Sarah: [4:52] Yeah, kind of. I mean, yeah, it is a little too slow, but it's only six episodes. Yeah, the lead, like your sort of POV protag character, is played by an actor who is like Kinnaman-esque in his like crumulent attractiveness. Tara: [5:10] Yeah, I called him a dry toast of a man in my notes for this. I stand by that. Dave: [5:16] I thought it was like some sort of experiment where they took Jesse Eisenberg from the network effect and spliced him with something else. I couldn't quite put my finger on. Tara: [5:24] Yeah, totally. Sarah: [5:25] Yeah, he's a Kinnaman Aussie crunch in my notes, and that's pretty much where it is. And also, if vampires are supposed to be such an international global village order of creature, just fucking let him be Australian. Who cares? It's New York. You're hearing every possible fucking accent all the time. So he's an issue, but then you have a lot of casting around him that is fascinating. And it's like, what is Lady Downton's deal exactly? Why is this Hepburn accent? But then you kind of get used to it and it washes over you. I think Dave's characterization of it as like second tier, watch it all in a weekend when you are migraine-y or stuck inside because of weather. Tara: [6:12] Or wrapping presents or whatever. Yeah. Sarah: [6:14] Yes, that it's like you don't really need to give it your full attention. My other problem is that like I forgot 50 is in this and I then was like, oh, yeah, that's why I said that I would be cool with our watch because I don't I mean, I don't really care about the rice verse one way or the other. But in another timeline, and again with this, we've just seen Fichter's late 90s butt. And I'm like, okay, but you need to get to the Fichty butt factory also? That's the thing. Tara: [6:44] Yeah. I mean, maybe it's that they only had limited time with Schwarzman and Fichtner. And I haven't read the books, obviously, so I don't know how big part in that they had, obviously. But you can't dangle them in front of us and then make this other boring guy our protagonist. Dave: [6:58] Okay, the mix is off, but this guy's obviously, you know, got layers in his motivations and duplicity and everything. Like he is in charge of the London Motherhouse and now it's gone rogue and why I'm blah, blah, blah. Tara: [7:12] The Fickner character. Dave: [7:12] The Fickner character, yes. And I kind of believe they cast him so that you would not be quite sure if he was supposed to be a vampire in the universe because he's got those, you know, striking blue eyes naturally. Tara: [7:25] Yeah, they're not that striking though, but yes. Dave: [7:28] Yeah, but they're like, in the show, they're on the borderline where you're like, is that just Fickner? And is this just color grading? Or in fact, he is a vampire because we don't see the character in daylight in the first few episodes. Tara: [7:39] Right. Dave: [7:40] Blah, blah, blah. I mean, I think part of it was just like, Neil McDonough busy? All right. I guess Fickner. Tara: [7:47] No, I think we were supposed to think he was a vampire because by the second episode, he's, you know, he's answering questions. Dave: [7:53] 1-800-VAMPIRE. Tara: [7:54] I already forgot his name. Fucking Guy. Guy, the boringest name. He's answering Guy in his mind. Dave: [8:01] Hugh Man. Tara: [8:02] Yeah. Yes, Hugh Man. Sarah: [8:04] Yeah. Tara: [8:05] So the mission of the Talamasca organization is not explained with a ton of clarity. Dave: [8:11] Only that they're an in-app organization, because the first thing we see about Talamasca in the colds open is a field agent who doing things involved with the London mother house that has gone rogue. And she's being pursued by supernatural creatures in a train yard. But before all that happens, she's in this field house and she's on a computer doing stuff, right? Getting together the material for the hot drop she's doing. Tara: [8:39] Right. Dave: [8:39] Or whatever they call hot drop. Tara: [8:40] Dead drop. Dave: [8:42] And her desktop has a giant Talamasca logo on it. So here's this field house, which is not secure. Anybody can break into it when there's nobody in there. And there is a secret society branding opportunity on their desktop. And it's gigantic. And I'm like, come on, guys. The whole secret order is right in the title. You can't do that. And there was other things. like they had like logos on their like secret signs outside through windows and shit. Sarah: [9:12] Like that it's like. Dave: [9:13] No no secret society's work yeah. Sarah: [9:15] Well or it's like beatrice was where it's like what even is that and it's just like a conglomerate that holds everything from like holy shit what get to the basement kids pop new, i was like i don't care how we're getting wherever we're going because bobby ward is on the porch i mean i will also say yes i guess they have branding problems but like if you're offered the opportunity to work for a secret society your expenses are covered you never have to worry about anyone like being weirded out by your clairvoyance and you get to live in the library. Like, get this bland dude out of the way because your happiest applicant, Buncey, would like to work for you for free. Dave: [10:08] It smells like old pages all the time. I love it. The other thing about the Seeker Society, and I apologize, Tara, because I totally short-circuited that question, and here we are five minutes later. But the other thing that annoyed me along the lines of the desktop was Lady Grantham has a business card for this organization, the Talamasca, whatever, and it's called TM Corp on her business card. But then later, Guy flips it around as he's just looking at it and negative embossed on the back is something like, we know all your secrets. I forget what the actual text was, but it was basically like, there's something up with us. Why would you put that on the business card with your address on it? Come on, secret society, get your secret shit together. Tara: [10:51] Well, I thought your problem with that was that it was embossed on both sides. Dave: [10:54] No, my problem was is that if you have a secret society, don't put it on your business card in ink or embossed. Tara: [11:01] Right. Dave: [11:02] Like it's basically secrets, the business card. Tara: [11:06] Right. Well, anyway, to get back to the question I started. Dave: [11:09] Not interested in answering anymore. Tara: [11:11] Fine. I can move on. Because they're sort of vague about what they're actually doing. It's the kind of thing where in episode six, if Guy finds out, oh, whoops, I've been working for the baddies this whole time. I feel like the viewers are going to be like, well, yeah, like it's not going to be a big shock. Anything can sort of happen, I feel like. Dave: [11:28] Right. Tara: [11:29] Because of the way they've set it up, which makes it hard for me to invest in. personally. Sarah: [11:34] Yeah, that's true. And then they're also doing that parallel or like shadow city where anyone who does not have money, like regardless of sort of the reasons for their being a have not lives in an apartment that looks like it was a set in train spotting. Tara: [11:52] Yeah. Sarah: [11:53] Kinnaman Toast's apartment. I was just like, is there any paint anywhere left? Why would he live there? It's just this very weird sort of after-hours, Scorsese interpretation of the city. Tara: [12:08] Most of this was quite obviously shot in the UK. Osterhaus, the young associate at the law firm, could not look more British like him if he had a Union Jack tattooed on his face. Dave: [12:18] Yeah, he's there downing Coleman mustard in the corner. Tara: [12:21] Yeah. So again, to go back to Sarah's point, just let people use their real accents. Don't make Elizabeth McGovern be British. Don't make Nicholas Denton be a bad American because he really can't. Dave: [12:32] And here's another thing you shouldn't do. Have the sound effect of guys' extraordinary hearing abilities sound 60% like mobile data interference from the early 2000s. Remember that? Remember that scourge? Well, it's back in Talamasqua, the Secret Order. Tara: [12:55] I interviewed this guy, I remembered when the show started, when he was in the Dangerous Liaison sequel show. A prequel, rather, on Starz in like 2022. Dave: [13:07] More Dangerous Liaisons? Tara: [13:08] It was confusingly just called Dangerous Liaisons, but he played Valmont. And if you can imagine, like, this guy, her, you know, it's very bad casting. But he was nice to talk to. Dave: [13:22] I don't know why I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think it would have been better if that cared. was female. maybe yeah and had like a personality but yeah i think it would have been more of a dynamic between her and lady grantham and everything i think it would have been better because that guy just like you're just waiting for him to get somewhere to learn the trade because yeah as a character to bounce off of it was just like on the floor he had no bounce yeah no yeah. Tara: [13:48] All right two two uh dumb questions to wrap up with who here would give up their immortal soul for the penthouse set the Dakota. Me, I would putting up my hand. Sarah: [13:57] Oh, yeah. Not that anyone wants it at this point, but sure. Dave: [14:01] I don't know. I might sell my soul just for the $5,000 interview payment that you got. Just for showing up for the interview. Interview with the money. That's my show. Tara: [14:12] Okay, next question. Final question. Who here would give up their immortal soul for constant access to British chips? Me as well. Dave: [14:21] Oh. Sarah: [14:21] Yep. Tara: [14:22] Beanie fries. Dave: [14:22] Yeah. Sarah: [14:23] Can I eat them in the library with a lot of crinkling, then done. Dave: [14:27] Yeah, every time you see British chips in a show, even if they're not really chips on the show, they're just pieces of plastic they have on the set so they don't go weird. Tara: [14:35] Yeah. Dave: [14:35] They look so much better than anything you can get here. Big fat steak fries-esque cuts. They've been fried more than you get here. You know they got vinegar on them like they should. Tara: [14:45] The oil they've been fried in is from... the war. It's still the same oil that they've just been reusing. Dave: [14:52] And while I'm here... Sarah: [14:53] So are the newspapers that they're wrapped in. Dave: [14:56] Let me give this piece of vinegar distribution advice that I've been talking up since anybody would let me in the 80s, 90s, which is if you have a chip shop of any type, fry shop, chip shop, whatever you got, you have to have malt vinegar. Well, you should have vinegar and malt vinegar, but you really should have malt vinegar. And one of the problems with malt vinegar is it's hard to get an even spread yes so what you need to do is put your malt vinegar yeah in a normal vinegar one for you purists but also in a windex spray bottle yeah so you can go and you get a cloud of vinegar over everything and i had this idea in the 80s and people are finally starting to catch on my nephew sent me a picture of someplace in la recently where they you do that. Tara: [15:39] Oh, nice. Dave: [15:40] Good for them. Tara: [15:41] Good for them. Sarah: [15:41] Oh, finally. Tara: [15:46] Enough. I'm so sick and tired of hearing you people talk about food, food, food. Dave: [16:12] All right. Let's get into Ask-E-A-S-G, which means first we must deal with Ask-E-A-S-G, which means first we must deal with Ask-E-A-S-G judgment. So we're going to spin the wheel. Guest starring as the wheel this week is Dracula. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah. It's Sarah. Sarah Blah. Sarah: [16:37] Sarah Blah-ting. Hello. Last week's question came from Loosely Lawless. Yes, I had to practice saying that a bunch of times before we hit record. Loosely noted, my library carts, plural, are named Rene Descartes, Paul McCartney, Sidney Carton, Cart of Darkness, and Beyonce Knowles Carter. What should I name the sixth one? We had so many good answers for this, truly. Tara, would you like to start us off with yours? Tara: [17:10] Sure. Art Garfunkel. No, Cart Garfunkel. Dave: [17:15] You can do them both. Cart Garfunkel. Tara: [17:17] That's true, you could. Dave: [17:18] Just double the cart. Tara: [17:20] Cart Garfunkel is what I actually meant. Sarah: [17:22] Also considered Cart Garfunkel, as well as Andrea McCartell, who I believe debuted Annie on Broadway. Dave, did you have one for this? Dave: [17:30] I did have one. I put it in there, so you probably have seen it, but I went off book with Red Wagon. Sarah: [17:37] Because. Dave: [17:38] You read books oh oh tar got it. Sarah: [17:41] No it was good yeah it was good thanks i liked it thanks from the listeners we had uh such delightful selections as carty b from bzor laura welcome back carter from damon silver a la cart from erica june carter cash from jesse and jean-luc Picard from Randy. Tara: [18:03] Nice. Sarah: [18:04] And as much as I loved PD Exorcist's extra cart rate, Seekent had not just my favorite, but two of my favorites. So Seekent is getting some stickers thanks to Dolly Carton and, of course, the president of SAG in our hearts always, Gabrielle Carteris. Tara: [18:23] Of course. Dave: [18:23] Nice. Sarah: [18:24] So please contact Dave on Discord to claim your stickers. Dave, how far behind are you on sticker disbursement? Dave: [18:32] I have like nine people to send them to already. So once the 10th hits, and this might be the 10th, I'm definitely going to get my ass in gear to send them out. Perhaps this weekend I will do it. But our sticker giving is not over because I asked Lucy to tell me which one she liked. Lucy Lawless, that is. And so here are her judgments. And this is actually what it's going to be called, guys. The naming rights go to Eric without a K, who suggested Cartigan Sweater, an excellent librarian joke. But little does Eric know, probably, that she is just a few miles from Mount Cartigan. So it's a tour. Tara: [19:09] Oh, love that. Dave: [19:10] She never would have considered it, but it's a perfect name. So that means that Eric without a K, you can also claim a sticker set. I know you probably have a couple in the past. You may have one waiting for you in the mail. I'm not sure. But if not, let me know and I will get you out a fresh one. All right. That's it for Judgment. Shall we get into our questions for us this week? Sarah: [19:31] Yes, let's. Dave: [19:32] A little short because we've been doing so many pre-tapes that we've been digging into the pool a lot lately. So in the future, there's going to be one that's 45 questions long. Tara: [19:42] Don't say that. No, there isn't. We should tell our listeners, though, if you've had questions that have been burning on your mind and you haven't been brave enough to put them in, now's the time because we got a ton of these coming up. Dave: [19:55] Yeah, you don't need to be on Discord. You can also stick them in via the link in your show notes. There is an Ask EASC link. This goes right to the Google form and you can type it in there and it pops up in my brain. E.C. Phil, if you're going to actually watch one of Troy McClure's many productions, which one would you want to see? Tara: [20:14] Locker room towel fight, the blinding of Larry Driscoll. Dave: [20:16] Yeah. Tara: [20:17] Sarah. Sarah: [20:18] Give my remains to Broadway sounds like one of those cursed things like the day the clown cried that everyone talks about, but nobody actually saw because it was destroyed, which of course would make me obsessed with it. Dave. Dave: [20:31] I did one for each of the segments, you know, a film, a TV show and stuff like that. So for the film, just because I want to see how it plays out is the verdict was mail fraud. Tara: [20:40] Yep. Dave: [20:41] In the educational film section, mothballing your battleship. Tara: [20:45] Nice. Dave: [20:45] TV specials, alien nose job. And the TV series, which we do see a little bit in the actual show is I can't believe they invented it featuring the juice loosener. Tara: [20:56] Yeah. I think it's an infomercial less than a series, but. Dave: [20:59] Yeah, but it's like. Tara: [21:00] It counts. Dave: [21:00] I think it's an infomercial, sort of, but I think it also has one foot in the That's Incredible universe. Tara: [21:05] Oh, maybe. Dave: [21:06] George, what's the most annoying piece of bureaucracy you've ever had to deal with? Sarah. Sarah: [21:12] Well, my mother's estate was the worst, but that sort of transcended annoying into, like, fucking cutscenes from the movie Brazil. So instead, I'm actually going to say replacing my driver's license when my whole bag was stolen in 2002. It was a Jersey license, but I wasn't resident in Jersey anymore. So I had to write away to Trenton for the paperwork. When it came, I had to fill it out and send it back with a check for $3. It was the aughts, but they were still firmly in the seventies. Then I had to wait for that to come back. And then all that paperwork and my passport and my birth certificate and my high school report cards and an albino hamster born at exactly midnight on the solstice, all had to go to the DMV that was in that weird mall in Herald Square in Manhattan, it was not great. Now, even through several renewals, they don't really make you get a new photo, so I still have the same about-to-murder-someone mugshot picture on my license that I did after that experience, which is amazing. Have not been a brunette since God was a boy. Don't get it. Don't care. Dave? Dave: [22:22] Without question, it was getting Gordon Lightfoot to Hawaii. There are so many rules about getting a dog that lives on the mainland to Hawaii because they have no rabies on the island and they're desperately trying to keep it that way. So you have to put your dogs in quarantine. And when you think, oh, dogs in quarantine, you fly them to Hawaii and then they are in some sort of facility for however long that takes, a few weeks or whatever. No, it's like months. And this is better than it used to be. It used to be six months. I think now it was like two months or something like that by the time we did it. But the quarantine is on the, have a good chance that you have moved and your dog is still in the mainland because like logistics always don't pan out exactly the way you want it. And so we had to like track down the behavioral list that it was helping Gordon before we adopted him and see if he would take him for those couple months so that he would be quarantined. And I don't understand how that's quarantined at all because we're not in a controlled environment anyways. Then we had to find somebody to take him from Calabasas or wherever he was at the time all the way to the airport. We found a business that was basically the dog taxi just for that. That's all they do. Take your dog, get him on a plane. But that was a whole thing as well. Sarah: [23:35] And this is not a little like put your dog in a carrier dog. Dave: [23:40] No. Sarah: [23:41] This was a pony. Tara: [23:41] He had to get a special carrier. Dave: [23:43] He had all four legs back then. So he was over 80 pounds. So that's just half of it. And then there was a whole bunch of things like picking him up. And then I had to at the last minute go to a hardware shop and buy metal wing nuts because the plastic ones were not FFA approved and they would have been rejected at the cargo depot and all this sort of stuff. It was a nightmare, like absolute nightmare. And I understand why they're doing it, but I just wanted to like get one person to say, make this happen. And then like, dog is here. And it's like, yay, but like, whatever. The things you do for your dog. So that was the worst red tape situation for me. Tara? Tara: [24:22] I mean, applying for our green card, that sucked. So it's a long process, even if you're not collecting all of the documents, it takes a while. You also have to go and get a physical from a doctor that's like approved by the country to make sure that you don't have HIV, because if you do, you cannot. They were great here, so we didn't brag. But I didn't think of any of those. This is like not technically bureaucracy in the sense that it was the government, but I think it still counts. My brain has blocked out a lot of the details. But I had to drive from Toronto to, I want to say Kitchener, to get another key for our Volkswagen Jetta. Dave, do you remember this? Sarah: [25:01] This is in the early 2000s. Dave: [25:03] It was one of those new for the time fancy keys that didn't look like a key. Yes. Tara: [25:08] So I had already killed an hour and come back and they told me they couldn't do it because I hadn't brought some piece of documentation or something they needed to do it, but hadn't told me about. As I'm writing this now, I think I maybe tried to do this at the local Toronto Volkswagen dealership and they had told me I had to go to the one where we had. Tara: [25:26] Actually bought the car. It was also stressful because I think it was like a multi-day process that I had a small breakdown at the dealership. Dave: [25:35] That car wasn't worth it in the end. Tara: [25:37] Not really. Dave: [25:38] I mean, it was okay for the first year and then like things go wrong. You're like, oh, fucking Volkswagen is such a pain in the ass to fix. Tara: [25:43] Yeah. Sarah: [25:43] Yeah. Dave: [25:44] Yeah. All right. Next one comes from Sarah Jane. Long time listener, recent club joiner. Thank you, Sarah Jane. We're always asking for recommendations for TV shows to watch. But what about the opposite? Violence towards kids, animals or sexual violence in TV shows are generally non-starters for me. How would you feel about a phone a friend service where you can find out, spoiler free, if a show is a non-starter for you. I put myself down to answer this because I suspect all her answers would have been the same and Sarah confirmed in the notes. So Sarah, you want to take this one? Sarah: [26:15] As I wrote in the notes, nobody asked me, but doesthedogdied.com. Good for a wide range of touchy subjects like eye violence and barfing too, I think. So whenever a metaphobia question comes up on here, usually someone mentions doesthedogdied.com and you could start there. Dave: [26:36] Basically, all trigger warnings are there. It started off as dog death, but, you know, they expanded like all good businesses do. So there's your answer, Sarah Jean. It already exists. Doesthedogdie.com. George is back with a second question. What boy band would you trust to renovate and redesign your home? There is one correct answer that's more correct than the others, but let's see what Tara has. Tara: [27:00] Oh, well, just because they might actually finish on time, I'm going to go with big time rush. Dave. Dave: [27:05] Let's go Sarah first, see if she gets the correct answer. Sarah: [27:08] Well, before I respond, I would like to say that I went on a real journey with the controversy section of Hanson's Wikipedia page, and it ended in tears. They really did seem like such sensible, down-to-earth young men. I mean, not. They're not young anymore, and they're like Christian nationalist dickweeds, a couple of them, and among them they have 15 kids, so they're that guy, allegedly. Anyway, the actual answer is New Kids on the Block. There's a lot of them. They aren't afraid to work hard. They're still touring. I feel like Joey McIntyre probably has a handle on my mid-century vibe. And I don't know. They just seem like they would know their way around a level. Maybe it's the Boston accents. Dave, did I get it right? Tara: [27:51] Well, isn't this the... They were probably the inspiration for this because doesn't Jonathan or Jordan Knight have a remodeling show? Sarah: [27:59] I think Jonathan did. Well, I think Jonathan has a remodeling business, but probably not a show because he was real shy, but I could be wrong about that. Dave: [28:09] What boy band would you trust to renovate and redesign your home? New edition. Tara: [28:15] Ah. Sarah: [28:16] Oh, yeah, true. Dave: [28:17] Got an answer on this show thing, Tara? Tara: [28:19] Yeah, Sarah was wrong. Jonathan Knight did have a show. Farmhouse fixer. Dave: [28:24] Got over his shyness. Tara: [28:25] Yep. Dave: [28:26] David J. Snyder. You may remember him as our Star Trek draft commissioner. Tara: [28:31] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [28:32] Mm-hmm. Dave: [28:33] Google has Gemini. Facebook has Llama. X has Grok. What is Chumhum's large language model called? So their AI model. Sarah: [28:42] Chum Padre. Tara? Tara: [28:45] Based on the C-H and then an H, I went with Chihuahua with the second two H's also upcapped. Dave: [28:53] Dave? I went with Chummy. That's Chum Machine Intelligence. Tara: [28:57] Mm-hmm. Dave: [28:58] Tara? I don't remember this, so somebody jogged my memory. What are the plot setting and cast of Springsteen and Frankenstein? Is that something we created a couple episodes ago? Tara: [29:10] I don't know. Maybe. Sarah: [29:11] It's something I mentioned in Discord because I had received a mailer from the Provincetown Film Society. Springsteen and Frankenstein, coming soon to Water's Edge Cinemas. And the way it was laid out in the subject header, it was like, okay, that I want to see. So someone trotted over to Ask EHG and made it happen for us. Dave: [29:33] For it to run! Okay, so the question is, plot, setting, and cast of Springsteen and Frankenstein, the smash hit that's taking the world by storm. Tara: [29:42] Yeah. Dave: [29:43] Setting Frankenstein's castle in Trenton, where your driver's license stuff goes. Sarah: [29:50] Trenton makes, the world takes. Dave: [29:51] Plot, Bruce Springsteen keeps losing body parts in his sleep as new rock sensation Dr. Victor Springsteen climbs the charts with hits like Hungry and Completely Functional Heart. and created in the USA. Cast is Peter Capaldi as the doctor and Adam Sandler as the boss. Sarah: [30:13] Oh, Belle. I love it. Tara: [30:15] Deep under, in tunnels under Asbury Park, obviously, Dr. Frankenstein collects pieces of Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin, and James Brown to create the greatest and sweatiest rock star of all time. The cast is going to be Dominic Sessa as Bruce Springsteen. This is the lead kid from The Holdovers who should have played Bruce Springsteen in the movie, in my opinion, and Oscar Isaac as the doctor again. Why not? Sarah. Dave: [30:38] Wait, before Sarah goes in, I just realized that there's one hit I left off the list, Born to Clomp. Okay, Sarah. Sarah: [30:46] Mm-hmm. Dave: [30:46] Yep. Sarah: [30:49] Springsteen and frankenstein is made possible by the helena rubenstein foundation the carnegie corporation and listeners like you thank you springsteen and frankenstein is an animated educational series set in central jersey about two grade school friends bruce voiced by jason beguet of chicago pd and vick voiced by michael fassbender who struggles in respectively, science class and music class become teaching moments for viewers ages 7 to 12. Episodes include Gross Anatomy, Osekin UC Caucus, Blowing Glassboro, and the Atomic Number of Tinted Falls. Dave: [31:28] Thank you, Sarah. All right, here comes your Ask Ask EHG question for you to answer on your Discord, or you can email me directly, david at cole.fyi. It comes from Raphael. is there an episode of a show that you love beyond any reasonable reason to love it something where no one else thinks is great but you think it's perfect if you have an answer for that go to discord i think the why is implied here it's just don't plop a name of a show down it's not going to get you any goodies for sure so let us know what the show is and why you think that and then we'll be back sometime soon with judgment on that perhaps next week is usually how we do it so get ready for that why don't you, Dave: [32:10] i'm here to help you do. Dave: [32:25] Wants to be me. Farley. That clip is from Coral Show Season 3, Episode 7, Twins. That is Chelsea Peretti playing Farley in a reality show, very Bravo-esque sounding reality show, makeover show called Look Like Dis, where she gives terrible fashion advice and life advice to people like Ruth Diamond Phillips, played by Jenny Slate there. Now, I am not a Chelsea Peretti enjoyer, generally speaking. I find her shtick a bit annoying and omnipresent, like a banana in the smoothie on Brooklyn Nine-Nine. But with the very important exception of the delivery in the following piece of makeup advice. Sarah: [33:23] You being lazy oh it's so good. Dave: [33:27] So chelsea peretti giving her her due for a fantastic line delivery on mascara advice with you don't which comes up quite a bit in our household when we can manage to work it in and we do like to shoehorn that in barley's mascara advice is what I'm presenting to you for the tiny line delivery canon. Who wants first, Greg? Tara: [33:52] Sarah. Sarah: [33:52] This was hilarious. I had seen this before, but I forgot how many little co-ons there are in between when she's making over Ruth Diamond Phillips, who's like, but is this happening? Because I'm late to court. And then she shows up with like a chainmail bikini. I mean, just pitch perfect. But then Farley is like, if someone questions your decision to wear a chainmail bikini to court, look within yourself and beat their ass. It's just like full of advice about like fighting people who look at you sideways, which is, you know, a little different from what Stacey and Clinton would do. And I mean, you don't. You pee and lazy. So good. Because who among us has not stopped after the first coat? Yes, this was very funny. Kroll himself trying not to laugh in the second part of the segment was very good. CK Gum was very good. But yes, absolutely. You don't. Brilliant choice. Love it. Tara. Tara: [34:54] Yeah, I agree. That line reading or delivery is like the funniest part of a pretty funny two-part segment in this episode. I would say it's more VH1 than Bravo. Okay. Only because that's sort of how all of the kind of characters in Kroll Show seem like they're all spun off in various like celebrity-ality sort of corridors. It's a fine distinction, you know. But yeah, I agree with you about Chelsea Peretti, too, in general, but she is great here. She and Jenny Slater are also really funny in the bumper out of the first half of this, where Nicole asks them about, they're all out of character, and he asks them, what do they think of goatees? they both are like disgusting the thought of it getting anywhere near my beep is you know makes me want to throw up and then chelsea price line is no disrespect to both camera guys but that's only a side note i. Dave: [35:52] Think her answer actually was first i kill myself and Then I would kill him. Tara: [36:00] Curl show, a truly undersung triumph of sketch comedy. And this line delivery is a high point. I'll also say, though, I'm tempted now to submit one by Deborah Messing, believe it or not, in Will and Grace, where she and Will at some point are talking about what their genitals are like. And she's like, do you think yours look like a basket of kittens? They don't. It's just very similar. and many years before this so i wonder if that was like a weird inspiration for it but anyway uh we're not talking about that we're talking about this. Dave: [36:33] Okay sarah d bunting let's make this official what say you tiny cannon worthy uh yes yes all right so farley's mascara advice from kroll show you're hereby inducted into the extra hot great tiny line delivery cannon, Dave: [36:52] Americans love a winner. Yup. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. It's time to discover who are our not-quite-winners and losers of the week. I will go first. I have our not-quite-winner. It is dollars. Debt. Payment. Whoever sold some chump the original Batman 66 costumes for nearly $1 million is sitting happy. He's got that money. Sarah: [37:22] Is that from that auction that I sent you and posted in the Discord? Oh, my God. Dave: [37:27] Yeah. Sarah: [37:28] All right. Dave: [37:28] Yeah, they had a big 90210 one a couple months ago as well, where they were like, here's Brendan's Mega Burger receipt. And I was like, all right. But yeah, not one costume. I think they got the Batman one and Robin and a couple others. Tara: [37:45] The Joker, Batgirl, Catwoman, and Penguin. Dave: [37:48] And collectively, they came to almost a million dollars. I don't know. Like, sure, that's a lot of money for somebody who sold them. But also, like, you know, whoever bought them has more money than cents. So, you know, I imagine him as the he's the guy, the billionaire from 30 Rock who wanted to sleep with Liz Lemon. I imagine it's that character who bought them. And now he's just wearing them around. Sarah: [38:09] Yes that's what i do. Dave: [38:11] Yeah uh not quite loser of the week robert townsend he lost a coach role in season two of running point bad for him but good for us he's getting replaced by ray romano this is a new character so if you're trying to figure out who he played in season one he didn't right but uh now we got uh ray romano deborah throw me the rock, three point well. Tara: [38:42] Townsend still has his role as um what's her sydney's father on the bear so. Dave: [38:48] Downtown, Swish. Tara: [38:51] Swish. Dave: [38:52] Sir. Nothing but that. Nothing but that. Sarah: [38:55] My not quite winner is William Dr. Craig Daniels, who at the age of 98 felt that he needed to rip President Trump for the East Wing teardown and went on Instagram, I think, and was talking about performing 1776 at the White House for President Nixon. And yeah, I thought that he was like, I don't know, used his stature, you know, after decades and decades of acting to be like, well, that, you know, that was a piece of cultural heritage and you broke it. Fuck off. Dave: [39:25] I thought you were going to say decades and decades of being the voice of Kit would have been on brand, which then I asked this question. Is he on Cameo and can you get him to say things as Kit? Tara: [39:34] Oh, that's a great question. He does seem like he's at that level of fame. Dave: [39:38] Yeah, he just sits on his chair in the living room, fires up Cameo. says, Sarah, are you sure you want to do that? Sarah: [39:44] Or he'll only accept cameo requests from people named Michael. So it's like, but Michael, but Michael. Dave: [39:51] That's right. Tara: [39:52] Guys, he is on Cameo. $150. It's quite affordable for Cameo. Sarah: [39:59] Mm-hmm. Christmas is coming. Dave: [40:01] If you're interested, Sarah, you better hop on it. You guys are 98. I wish him a long, long life. 98 more years, perhaps. Tara: [40:09] It says only six videos left at this price, so this might be a limited time offer, or they're counting on, you know, he might die. I'm not sure. Sarah: [40:17] Or he's fundraising for a good cause. Some of them could be. That's true. Super thirsty. But I didn't make the kit reference because I was bookending it with my not-quite-loser of the week, Dr. Phil. His bankruptcy proceeding for Merit Street Media has been converted to Chapter 7 Liquidation. Bye, bitch. Dave: [40:39] Which is worse. Seven or 11, which is like the total bankruptcy one, or is this just like business versus personal or something like that? Okay. Tara: [40:46] Can't answer that. Sarah: [40:47] I don't know either. Tara: [40:48] My not quite winner of the week is also a not quite loser, kind of. It is Azeem Batra. She's replacing Tim Hobart as showrunner of the Scrubs revival, which like, okay, great. But it comes two weeks into shooting on the revival. So, you know, it's kind of a Robert Townsend situation, perhaps. So good luck to everyone there. That does not seem great. Dave: [41:12] I got a bankruptcy update. Tara: [41:14] Yeah. Dave: [41:14] 11 is when you want to continue doing business. Seven is corporate death. So that is the worst one. Sarah: [41:21] Great. Better for us. Tara: [41:23] Lower number. It's just like on Defcon. Dave: [41:25] It's like golf. Tara: [41:26] Oh, or that. Sarah: [41:30] Defcon, golf. Tara: [41:32] Not quite loser of the week. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star Lisa Barlow, who got read for filth by below deck captain Sandy Yon. And apparently the Salt Lake City ladies got to have a trip on her yacht because Bravo's all about the synergy. And according to Sandy, Lisa Barlow's behavior on that trip was not cool. Lisa, that's shocking to me. She seems like she's cool all the time. Sarah: [42:00] What? Tara: [42:00] Yeah. I mean, if it wasn't her, it would be someone else. It's a monster. Good luck to everybody. Dave: [42:06] All right. Get your affairs in order. Strap in. Say goodbye to your family. here comes Kim Reid's most awesome thing I watched on TV last month. Kim: [42:17] Hi, this is Kim Reid, and welcome to the most awesome thing I saw on TV last month. Last month, I watched Season 3, Episode 21 of Just the Ten of Us, which is titled Heartbreaker. Now, if you're not familiar with Just the Ten of Us, it was an early days member of the TJAF lineup and a spinoff of Growing Pains. So on Growing Pains, Mike's gym teacher, Coach Lubbock, got laid off, and Mike tried to set up a protest because Coach Lubbock had like a million kids and his wife was pregnant again. And we all know employment should be prioritized based on how many kids a person has. I mean, that's just science. Anyway, the protest doesn't even matter because Coach Lubbock gets a job offer from California because we all know how schools recruit mediocre gym teachers from across the country, especially before the Internet. So Coach Lubbock and his giant family moved across the country, and that's how just the 10 of us got started. The setup is so dumb, they would have been much better off just launching it as a new show instead of trying to spin it off because, seriously, who was like, you know who I would watch a whole show based around? The gym teacher. Kim: [43:15] Anyway, it only ran for three seasons, and it's interesting from a sociological perspective because you can see it start as like a wholesome family sitcom like Full House, and then as the producers get more desperate to hold on to the ratings from their lead-ins, they start putting the teen girls front and center in smaller and smaller outfits. And this episode is kind of the worst of the lot, which is what makes it awesome. Anyway, it got canceled, but then USA Network picked it up in syndication, and I'm pretty sure that's how I saw it, and just marveled at how weird it was. The opening credits take up like half the show because there are so many cast members. Like, there's the two parents, and then all eight kids, and then a couple of ancillary characters. Filming these episodes must have been hell with all the minors and starring roles. And other than the baby, none of them were played by twins like the Olsens and Michelle Tanner. Kim: [43:59] Also, it's mildly upsetting that they had so many kids. And meanwhile, the dad, played by stand-up comic Bill Kirchenbauer... so non-sexual, he was like Grimace. So they're 14 daughters, and you don't really need to know their names for this episode, but Marie is the uptight religious one, and she's played by Heather Nightmare on Elm Street Langenkamp, who honestly should write a memoir because she was in Hollywood for all of the late 80s and early 90s, and she still works in the industry, and Charlie Sheen was the best man at her wedding, so you know she has stories to tell. Anyway, that's Marie. The only other one you would recognize is Jamie Melrose plays Lunar, who plays Cindy, the ditzy one. Then there's Wendy, the hot, blonde, horny one, and Connie, the cynical, sarcastic one. You know, the Daria. Anyway, in order to help support this enormous family when their parents are a P.E. teacher and a stay-at-home mom, the oldest girls form a singing group called the Lubbock Babes, because we all know those Catholic parents are going to have no problem with their teenage daughters dressing up in skin-tight dresses and singing for the masses. We open with a group performing an 80s song in a pizza parlor, and I'll give them the fact that they're actually singing the song, although obviously they're lip syncing it for the show. The song is called Caught You Red-Handed, and the girls are shrieky and not good. Jamie Lunar is probably the best, and Heather Lankenkamp is the worst, and the song goes on forever, like we get two full verses and choruses. And you wonder if they thought this song was going to somehow spin off and become a hit on the charts, although stranger things have happened. I lived through the Jack Wagner era, and I regret nothing. Kim: [45:28] Also, the girls are dressed in like lingerie and walking out into the audience and writhing around. And then a middle-aged guy gets so worked up that he has a heart attack and face plants in the pizza. And I'm pretty sure he's dead because Marie is singing to him. And it's all played for laughs. Like, ha ha, this horny old dude died because he was looking at this underage girl's body. That's hilarious. So then instead of talking about the dead guy, they focus on how the death has affected the Lubbock babes. And Marie says, I'm not comfortable with dying. That's why I don't watch Pat Sajak. Does she mean that Pat Sajak looks dead? Kim: [46:00] Is dead or undead? I do not understand this joke at all, but I'm glad I heard it because it gave me something to ponder on my commute and discuss with my husband, who theorized she was referring to the short-lived Pat Sajak talk show. And the years do match up, so I guess that's it. The hot blonde Wendy, who also seems to be the most ambitious, wants to keep performing, but the others can't do it after a guy died, and the laugh track goes nuts for no reason. So then Marie says she can't ever go back to the pizza place because she got the dead guy so excited that he died. Then there's a lot of body shaming about which girls could or could not have caused him to die. Marie decides that she's dressing too slutty and being punished for her sins. And please know when I say slutty, I do not care personally what any of these women wear or how the gross men see it, but I'm explaining it to you in the language of the show, which definitely feels like they are dressing. So then Marie starts dressing like a Sicilian widow in all black, including a black veil that she just happened to own. And one thing you might need to know is that Marie wants to be a nun, and honestly, everyone I know from my parents' era who wanted to be a nun but then didn't were really just in it for the drama, which I respect. Kim: [47:02] Marie wants to go to the memorial service, obviously being held at the pizzeria, so their dad volunteers their mom to go with her. So then the owner of the pizza shop gets up and says the dead guy was a loyal customer who never missed a Lubbock Babe's performance, which is gross. And also he had no family or friends, which is understandable given that he might be a few steps away from committing illegal acts because these girls are all supposed to be still in high school. So the mom reassures Marie that she didn't even know the dead guy, so she had nothing to do with the death. And Marie is comforted until a lawyer comes up and says that the dead guy left his entire estate to Marie because he loved her so much. And everyone gets excited by the word estate. But it turns out all he had was a ship in a bottle, a toupee and an appointment book with all Marie's performances inked in. Like maybe turn it over to the cops because this guy was one skin suit pattern away from being a serial killer, if you ask me. Some days later, it's time for the next Lubbock Babes performance. But Marie refuses to join them because she thinks she has to atone for her sins. of feeling joy in public while wearing clothes that made her feel good. So Marie stays home and burns her slutty clothes, which probably would be tough to burn because they definitely seem like man-made fibers. And mom joins her at the burn barrel and somehow convinces Marie that God's plan was for her to bring the dead guy some happiness before he died, and a convenient thunderclap confirms it for Marie. Cut to the pizzeria where the Lubbock babes are singing Twist and Shout, but everything is messed up without their fourth member because their harmonies and choreography are so tightly plotted in advance, which seems realistic. Kim: [48:29] On their break, Marie shows up in some half-burned slut clothes right before their next song. So then Marie makes a speech about how she's realized that her purpose in life is to please men, and she wants to make them feel good. And honestly, at this point, and having lived through this era, I wasn't sure if we were supposed to think what Marie was saying was funny or accurate or both. So Marie rejoins her sisters, and the men go nuts. And then we get all of their next song, where Marie basically gives a couple guys lap dances, and then a fistfight breaks out, and then the cops show up. Honestly, if Marie's mere appearance can cause a riot, maybe someone should investigate the men of this town because she's young and beautiful, but this seems like overkill. So the girls come home and mom and dad notice they look disheveled and they explain what happened. The parents can't believe Marie was sledding it up and Marie says her mom taught her to do it, which gets a big laugh because we all know a woman who's married with eight children could never be considered sexy. Later that night, Marie says she doesn't know what to think anymore, whether she should go to the convent or get a tattoo and she doesn't know what God wants. and mom says to try moderation and then the show just ends and that was the most awesome thing I saw on TV last month. Tara: [49:45] Welcome in, grandpas. You've missed a lot. We talked about Talamasca, The Secret Order. We answered questions about things like which Troy McClure production we would most like to see, which boy band we would trust to renovate and redesign our home. You may not know which former stars of St. Elsewhere are available on Cameo unless you listen to the whole episode. So if you can, kick that pledge up to $5, extrahotgreat.com slash club for details on how to do that. This extra credit topic comes from a listener like you. It is, in fact, from Erica. Erica has titled this Elevators! Exclamation mark. Dave: [50:23] I love the enthusiasm. Tara: [50:24] Before I read that, I just remember, Dave, you have an update to give us on your game time prize for your victory last week. Dave: [50:31] Right, right. So on the Extra Extra Great program last week, there was a surprise game time from Tara, which I won. It was Halloween themed. So the game prize was a Halloween treat, which arrived. It came from Sarah D. Bunting candy go-to shop, Harbor Sweets. Tara: [50:47] Sure did. Dave: [50:48] And it was basically like a turtle, but it had their patented toffee stuff inside of it. And it was shaped like a spider if a spider didn't have legs. Because you can't put legs on something that... Tara: [51:00] You kind of can't. Dave: [51:01] Yeah. So it was basically, it was called Salem Spiders, but it should have been called Salem Spider Bodies without legs. Tara: [51:08] And were they good? Dave: [51:09] But they were good. Yeah. They were good. I put them in the fridge and then they had like that chocolate snap when there are ingredients that aren't too jammed and solid in there. So you can still bite it very easily, which is like perfect refrigerated chocolate composition. Sarah: [51:25] Great. They are pros. Dave: [51:27] Yeah, they really are. Yeah. So thank you, Tara, for that. Tara: [51:30] All right. Elevators. Erica writes, I like elevators. I think they're neat. I just think they're neat. Number one, what's your favorite TV moment set in an elevator? And number two, invent a scene in a favorite show that's set in an elevator but does not involve someone giving birth or the elevator getting stuck. Do classic elevator situations. Dave: [51:50] Or both. Tara: [51:50] Or both. Dave: [51:51] That's classic as well. What if there was a scene where you give birth, the elevator's not stuck, and you're just trying to figure it out before the- Sarah: [51:58] People are just getting on and off. Dave: [52:00] At various floors. Tara: [52:01] Just looking ahead, because that's what you do in the elevator, not paying attention to you. Dave: [52:05] Can you press three, please? Tara: [52:07] All right. Dave: [52:08] In the middle of something! Tara: [52:09] Let's start with, let's each do our favorite TV moments. Sarah, what is yours? Sarah: [52:14] Well, I mean, at the risk of being basic, but who cares? Not great, Bob! Tara: [52:20] That's pretty good. Sarah: [52:21] As spoken about in Extra, Extra Hot Great 335, I believe. Pete stalking onto the elevator and yelling at Josh Wolk. It's a timeless classic. Honorable mention to, if a empty shaft counts, Rosalind Shay is sailing down one to her iconic demise. Tara: [52:39] I think it does. Yes. Dave: [52:41] I don't know what else you could bring to the table if you're talking about all timers. Of course, lots of elevator scenes. There were probably 80 other elevator scenes just in Batman alone. But when you're going for the cream of the crop, unfortunately, there are ones we have talked about many times before, which is not great, Bob. And Rosalind Chase falling down the elevator shaft, which is absolutely my favorite one because it is so ridiculous. And it happened so fast. And it was just like, well, now she's dead. Great, perfect. Love it. Tara: [53:13] Mine is from the 30 Rock episode Jackter, season one, episode five. Tracy has, you know, been on the show for a few weeks now. He has been ignoring or misreading cue cards. He never performs a sketch the same way twice. His mail slot in the office is jammed with sketches he's never looked at. Liz wonders to Pete if maybe Tracy can't read and then decides to confront the issue. Clip one. These are the changes for the sketches that you're in. Cool. I'll read those later, Lemon. She looks at his crossword puzzle and he's filled it all out with smiley faces in every box. Trey. Can you read? Can. Dave: [54:20] Shameful secret is out. Now you know I'm always running into the ladies' bathroom. Tara: [54:26] So, having seized an opportunity that Liz's unconsidered bigotry has presented him, he continues ranting on his way to the elevator, clip two. I can't read! I signed my name with an ex! Another guy gets in, doors open. Damn, George Will just gets more and more conservative. Because Tracy's totally just reading the paper in the elevator. Because he can read. And I love that moment very, very much. Now, the second part of the question. Invent a scene in a favorite show that's set in an elevator, but doesn't involve the stuff we already talked about. Sarah. Sarah: [55:31] Okay. Anyway, the scene is close to the end of a season of The Morning Show, just before most of the key characters converge for a meeting about the future of, sorry, did you also pick The Morning Show? Tara: [55:42] Yep, go ahead. Sarah: [55:43] That's why this marriage works, about the future of UBA or UBN or UB40 or whatever the fuck it's going to end up being after whatever merger or split off. It is a montage. Alex Levy rehearsing a speech and getting tongue-tied. Bradley chewing on her hair. Stella just ripping a nonstop, unbroken stream of swears. Corey smiling that bland, serene Corey smile. Alex fucking up her speech a different way this time. Doors opening on Paul Marks, who bellows, take the next one. Corey, blandly smiling. Stella, more swearing. Christina, waiting only a beat before turning to a clueless PA eating a tuna sub in the elevator with her and screeching, are you fucking serious right now? Yanko hyperventilating into a paper bag so hard that a corner blows out, Corey smiling. I just think it would be funny, and Corey's, like, confident serenity at all times is really what makes that show run for me, and what better place than in the elevator? Tara: [56:42] Well, I'll go next because I also did the morning show. I think it would be funny and kind of knowing which the show is sometimes if they did a runner with the various producers like Layla, Isabella, and Julia, not Rina, because it looked like she got canned in the last episode I watched. I'm one behind. If they had to keep chasing decision makers into elevators to pitch segment ideas and get sign-off on bookings or whatever else they're desperately trying to handle in the most chaotic way imaginable, because that's what they've all been stuck with, thanks to all of the various kinds of bullshit that have been wrought in the season. So basically doing elevator pitches, but for real, you know, tell me you can't see William Jackson Harper as Ben trying to hide from his producers as they come at him with clipboards, I definitely can. So I think that would work. Dave? Dave: [57:26] On Star Trek The Next Generation, Data is always trying to figure out how to unlock the secrets of humanity. He's tried emotion chips, weirdo space prospector dreams, having sex with bridge officers. All this stuff never quite gets him there. But when he accidentally farts into Turbolift with Riker, Troy, and Worf in with him, he learns a lot about the human cycle of mortification, acceptance of one's place in the universe at this very moment, and comedy as he enjoys seeing his fellow officers suffer. Dave: [58:01] And that is it for another episode of Extra Extra Haunt Great. We tell you a mass amount about the ricey versus latest treat, Talamasca. Thank you. Before answering your brain-asky questions like, which Troy McCode project are you watching and which boy band is renovating your house? Dave got Farley's Mascara Advice into the tiny line reading canon. We celebrated those who were quite the best and worst of the week and pressed all your buttons with a look at TV elevators. Next up is I Love LA on ESG Prime. Remember, we're listening. I am David Teakle and on behalf of Tara Arrieta. Tara: [58:48] I can't wait to look like this. Dave: [58:50] And Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [58:52] Not great, Bob. Dave: [58:54] Thanks for listening. And we'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra. Not great. Tara: [59:17] So I was like, okay.