Taking A Deep Dive Into Nautilus

Dave: [0:10] This is the Extra Extra Hot Grape Podcast, episode 361 for the July 5th, 2025 weekend. I am serial biscuit thief David T. Cole, and I'm here with pirate of some kind, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [0:31] I dreamed of a job like this. Dave: [0:33] And not your maid, Tari Ariano. Tara: [0:35] We'll gouge your eye out, though. Tara: [0:44] Welcome to Extra Extra Hot Great for another weekend. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for your support. Thank you for making this episode possible, literally. Tara: [0:56] We are here to talk about Nautilus. For reasons we don't initially know, but that are almost certainly racist, Nemo, Shahzad Lateef, was sentenced to serve in a penal colony run by the East India Mercantile Company. There, he was enslaved to build a highly secret submersible craft or submarine. Engineer Gustave Benoit, Thierry Fremont, understood that the craft's purpose was to explore the undersea world. When he found out the company actually just planned to use it to exploit resources in China, he teamed up with Nemo on a plan to use it for Nemo and several of his fellow inmates to escape. By the way, Nemo was such a key contributor to the craft's design that Benoit invited him to name it, and Nemo chose Nautilus. On their journey away from Bombay, they cross paths with another company ship that Humility Lucas, Georgia Flood, and her maid-slash-body guard Lottie, Saline Malville. After the Nautilus destroys the other ship's hull, Nemo rescues its women, children, and adorable dog and drops off his hostage. Tara: [2:00] Company director Crawley, Damian Garvey, who immediately sets out to capture the Nautilus or sink it because no one outside the company He must know it exists. The show was adapted from Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea by James Dormer, formerly a writer on the Dangerous Liaison prequel from 2022 and The Musketeers. The first two episodes aired on AMC Sunday, June 29th, with the remaining eight airing one at a time on Sundays after that, as well as dropping on AMC Plus. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch Nautilus? Sarah: [2:33] Sure, it's better than you would think. Tara: [2:37] Dave? Dave: [2:38] I would say probably not, unless you crave that mid-tier 90s, 2000s syndicated adventure flavor. It is inoffensively fine. Tara: [2:47] Yeah. I agree. If your favorite movie is The Mummy with Brendan Fraser, this is the vibe, right? I mean, this is like a TV version of it, but... Dave: [2:58] Not as winning as The Mummy can be at times. Tara: [3:01] Yeah. Dave: [3:02] I think The Mummy's better than this. Tara: [3:03] Sure, but I'm saying like it's in that spirit. Dave: [3:06] Yes. Sarah: [3:07] Yeah, I would agree. Dave: [3:08] By the way, here in America, we say Jules Verne. Tara: [3:11] Okay, geez. Dave: [3:14] Didn't win me right away because the introductory Chiron is all about the East India ships going unchallenged and they dominate the sea and everybody's scared to touch them. This is like, it's not the golden age of piracy, but piracy is still really big. And historically, these ships were getting tagged a lot by pirates all over the Indian Ocean and elsewhere. So right away, they're like, ah, fuck history. Tara: [3:41] Okay. Well, let's get into a little more detail. Originally, this was going to be a Disney Plus show, but after filming was completed in 2023, the company announced they were not going to stream it. and it went to Prime Video in the UK and Ireland and it's on AMC here, as we said. Is this a weird fit for the AMC brand or do we not know what the fuck AMC is generally up to other than adapting Anne Rice and spinning off Walking Dead shows? Dave, you're shaking your head. Dave: [4:07] Oh, yeah. I had to double check that this was actually an AMC show and we watched it because it really seemed like NBC 8, 9 o'clock slot. Remember that show Endgame we watched a couple of years ago? Whatever slot that was in, Nautilus took it over. Tara: [4:24] It falls into the dead zone of being too adult slash boring for kids and too juvenile for adults. And that was another problem with it where it's like it's it's somewhere in in between and satisfying nobody in a weird way. Sarah: [4:38] But yeah, kind of. Tara: [4:40] I was expecting it to be a lot more steampunky and a lot less anti-colonialist. So, you know, I'm happy with the ratio I did get. Sarah: [4:47] Yeah. Yeah. Dave: [4:48] Yeah. I thought it was going to be a little bit more 15 year oldie than it ended up being. It's not that far off, but the comparative here is a Sequest DSV or whatever the hell it's called. Tara: [5:01] Yeah. Dave: [5:01] I feel like it's the closest to that as far as setting and sort of the Star Trekiness of it all. Although I guess Star Trek took from this. So it's a little bit better than that, but definitely has the whiff of syndication on it. There is a lot of room here to have the characters be very loud and singular in their personalities, which they don't do. like all the british people are the same which fine for the most part but you have the financial backers for this weapon you have the career naval officer and they all seem like they're about the same captain young blood i'm sure is going to have a turn apart at some point in the proceedings but then like the crew of the nautilus like there's one or two characters that are breaking out like there is the semi-mute brute guy that everybody thinks is going to be the big baddie but he loves dogs and gets licked to death by a dog in the face, you know, so there's a bit of that, but it needed much more of that. Like, think about the bridge of the Starship Enterprise and how everybody is this type, that type. They do this, they do that. There is not that separation of character here, which makes it a little muddy for me. Tara: [6:11] Yeah. I have been waiting for Shahzad Lateef to have his breakout role. I doubt this is going to be it, but maybe this will get him to it. That's our Clem Fandango we love. Dave: [6:22] Well, better here than he had in Star Trek Discovery where he had to wear his Klingon brows and all that stuff. Tara: [6:29] Yeah. Dave, can you give us a type five on how much you would like to live in Captain Nemo's quarters? Because once we saw them, I was like, oh, this is Dave's house. Dave: [6:38] I guess. I love a golden 18th century Englishman study sort of vibe. Golds and greens and browns. I'm all about that. But all of the Nautilus set look really cheap to me. Like, that's where that syndication vibe comes from. And honestly, I think if they just color graded it differently and added some digital grain to that, it would have done miracles to how filmic this could have looked. Tara: [7:03] Yeah. Dave: [7:04] And it looks very videotapy it looks very digital. Tara: [7:07] Rather yeah. Dave: [7:08] I feel like they should have pulled back from that because it did make it look like hercules the adventure continues on. Tara: [7:14] A boat sometimes yeah uh-huh yep agree this might just be what things look like when you shoot them in australia because i'm pretty sure that's why they made that australia. Dave: [7:23] Has no computers to do. Tara: [7:24] Color grading and that's right yeah never mind about what a studios doesn't matter the anachronistically capable and plucky woman is a character we have all seen a lot. This is what humility LOL is doing is does she land on the right side of the winning slash unbearable line for you, Sarah? Sarah: [7:43] Not yet. She's still on the line. But that's not really the character's fault. That's the fault of the writing, which still thinks that we need to do this. Like we've all watched enough period pieces and seen this character this is what you take off the rack and then you tailor it we've seen this character before, I am much more interested in like the Lottie Chronicles. Honestly, that actor has a Dyke and Lockman energy and I am into it. I also like that they're not really explaining that much what like what she is and what her role is possibly because there isn't that much to explain. They're making some like boring, predictable choices and the other choices they make in tone or dialogue that are more interesting are kind of overwhelmed by the predictable ones and also by it looking like Max Fisher produced it. Dave: [8:39] One of the interesting choices they made is they are telling the tragic backstory of Nemo through the occasional flashback. And then in episode two, there is a whaling scene where the Nautilus has risen to the surface to talk to some whalers on boats that have harpooned a whale calf and first nemo's like well fuck these whales who gives a shit and then somebody says something about well the mother is trying to save the baby and he's like flashback to my tragic mother's story and then he's like turn this fucking ship around we're gonna fucking eat these whalers for dinner and bake their bones into our hearty broth and all this shit and so they race to the surface then they ends up negotiating with the whalers to buy the calf that they've harpooned. And to do so, he rips off the bracelet of... Tara: [9:35] Humility. Dave: [9:35] I was about to say chastity. That's not her name. Humility and throws it to them as the price for this whale. And then like they get back down to the ship. She's like, that's the last thing I had from my dead father. He's like, oops. So there's like, there's some weird, you know, not being consistent with our family dynamic scenes here going on in the span of two minutes, I'm going to say. So kind of part and parcel with a show like this. It lends itself to those syndicated early-aughts vibes. I mean, if you miss that type of show, I think this delivers in spades. It just could have been much better with the setting that it provides. Tara: [10:15] Yeah, I wish I could just tell Nemo, you know, your wife is alive. She's working at a hospital in Pittsburgh. Dave: [10:22] It took me a while to place her. And I was like, oh, shit, it's nepotism doctor from the pit. Tara: [10:28] She's older than you think. Like, my last note is the thing about having your villains be representatives of the East India Mercantile Company is there's no level of evil you can make them that is too over the top. Dave: [10:40] One of the things I did appreciate about that is as soon as Nemo gets the Nautilus, the big set piece of episode one is the slave revolt at the docks where they're building the Nautilus and they just sort of just finish and they steal it to get out. And then his first act is he sees the East India Company ship and he's like, fuck these guys. He just rams it right away. It just leaves everybody for dead. It needed more of that energy. But then as soon as they do something like that, they then proceed to soften the moment. Sarah: [11:12] Yeah. Dave: [11:13] Time after time. So it just needed to like pick a path and stick with it. Like, is this going to be angry Nemo for a while? Or are we going to get angry Nemo for three minutes and then OK for another three minutes and it's back to being angry again? And that's not good TV. You have to like have a throughput. Dave: [11:29] It is time. Sarah: [11:30] To ask them questions. It is time to ask them stuff. It's, questions, ask them questions, questions! Never gets old. Dave: [12:06] All right, no judgments this week, so we'll just jump right into your questions for us. First one is from Steven. Going off last week's Dire Straits question, I know you've talked about overused songs in TV soundtracks. Have you thought about the single best use of a song in a TV show? Maybe one that is now forever associated with that scene or show. Tara? Tara: [12:28] I know I already talked about it in a mini, but it's Colin Hayes' Waiting for My Real Life to Begin, which is sung by a bunch of show characters, including one who is dying in the Scrubs episode, My Philosophy, which is season two, episode 13. Dave: [12:42] Yeah. Good one. Tara: [12:43] Sarah. Sarah: [12:44] Heaven is a place on earth in the San Junipero episode of Black Mirror. I can't imagine that that song could ever be used again at all and get past people who love San Junipero. And it just no one should try. It's just my opinion. Dave. Dave: [13:03] We were talking last week about when a song is used in a very memorable way, it just should get vaulted from future use. And I feel like the song they used at the end of Six Feet Under has been vaulted. I don't think anybody's had the balls to reuse that again. Sia? Sia? Sia? Sarah: [13:19] Sia. Yeah. Sia, I think. Tara: [13:21] Sarah's pick was used in an episode of The Handmaid's Tale three years after San Junipero. In a show known for its dumb needle drops, it's like, why would you step to that? Come on. Sarah: [13:32] Yeah, why? Dave: [13:33] Sister Knight has our next question. You can get one showrunner, True Serum, for one question. Who are you picking and what are you making them tell you? Sarah. Sarah: [13:44] David Chase. What happened to the Russian? Dave. Dave: [13:47] Aaron Sorkin. And what were you thinking, dude? You can pick what you want that applied to. For me, it's going on the twop boards and making an ass out of himself. Tara: [13:59] Amy Sherman Palladino. Why are you like this? Sarah: [14:04] Love it. Dave: [14:05] Bill Snack here with our next question. What float are you on in what parade? Tara, they threw you a parade. Tara: [14:12] I'm obviously marching with a band in the Macy's Thanksgiving day parade, the premier parade of our nation. But if you're going to be a stickler, I mean, I know it's an NBC production, so I guess I'll be on the St. Dennis medical float this year because I think that's the only show on NBC that I watched. Dave. Dave: [14:31] I want to be in the float. That's your town's equivalent of Town X celebrates longstanding failed industry that only employs seven people now. Trouble at the mill. Tara: [14:44] Sarah. Sarah: [14:45] I am on the hydration ally float at Brooklyn Pride, sponsored by Polar Seltzer, with the ice cold bottles arranged by color to form all the various colorways of the pride flag. Anyone who wants one can take one. Delicious fizzy water. Dave: [15:00] Mandrake here with a deep cut from our long, long ago past. Everybody loves Worf. Put Worf in TV things. Sarah, that's your directive. Sarah: [15:11] Great British baking show contestant makes it to the finals. Tara. Tara: [15:16] Project Runway Judge. Tough, but fair. Dave. Dave: [15:20] Worf in Mr. Son of Moog, in which he sits on his own Klingon balls and declares, once an episode, today is a good day to die, Sean has our next question if you were any tree in the woods what kind of tree would you be? I would be a Mendis tree Sarah. Sarah: [15:41] I would be a Douglas fir of course Tara I stole a car. Tara: [15:48] I'm in a sycamore tree ditto. Dave: [15:53] Dixon Chance, you don't like space shows in general. So what theoretical space show that does not exist would you probably like to watch? Examples he provides, Real Housewives of Tatooine, Klingon Medical Center, Stargate 911. one. Tara: [16:12] For this hypothetical person, I would say if you liked Dear White People, it's probably the show Justin Simeon is developing with Tawny Newsome that we've talked about before. It's in the Star Trek world, but it's a live action comedy, unlike Lower Decks, which Newsome did a voice in and which was animated. This still-untitled show is set in the 25th century, Variety writes, Federation outsiders serving a gleaming resort planet find out their day-to-day exploits are being broadcast to the entire quadrant. They announced this last year, and I so cannot wait for it. I really think it's going to be good. So look out for that one. Sarah? Sarah: [16:48] I wouldn't mind something like Ms. Crusher, like a limited series prequel that shows us Crusher's life or McCoy's life or whatever. Pick a medical officer from the track verse. Starting with the first year of med school, and then it's whatever the writers imagine internships and residencies look like in space with the occasional montage of her confidently diagnosing such and so ailment and then taking a splash of blue blood to the face while the attending is like and then it's her first assignment which is some punishment detail ship where all she does is treat hangovers and zero gravity fucking injuries and in the final episode it's how she got onto the enterprise so like four or six episodes tops just steps through becoming a medical professional in a more like process-y way. And I'd like to see Sophie Turner in the role. Dave. Dave: [17:40] My show is called Bob Newhart of the Galaxy, in which Bob Hartley opens up a psychologist's office in a rift in space-time that lets characters from any space franchise, space show, Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, The Expanse, etc., visit for a session. And it's very important to me that Jack Riley, as Elliot, one of Bob's steady patients who hates everything and is super dry, is part of all these sci-fi group sessions. C. Kent, what are your unofficial rules for reality competition that you would like to see enacted in that show? So in our house, if you complain about the game being too hard and want to go home three times in a season, then the producers yank you from the game immediately and send you home. We call it the flow rule from flow in the amazing race. All right. With all that, Sarah, what is your rule? Sarah: [18:36] I don't think I watch enough competition reality anymore to have a rule like this top of mind. But I would say generally, if a contestant or team is DQ'd mid-season for illness, injury, this has happened on Baking Show a couple of times, on Top Chef a couple of times. Contestants have been pulled off the island on Survivor, certainly. Doesn't matter the reason. But if this happens, the previous contestant or team who was eliminated is returned to active play and the episode or challenge or whatever resets to whatever point is reasonable for the sake of competition fairness so like if pippa posh swazzle has a death in the family between episodes of baking show instead of being like no elimination this week you bring back the previous baker run the episode as usual i mean this usually works for most of the shows that we would be talking about i think it's more interesting than a non-elimination episode Yeah. Dave: [19:31] That's a really good rule because it always bugs me on Great British Bake Off where you do get somebody who is out because they have whatever, you know, COVID or the sniffles or they, you know, they dropsy massive baking show related diarrhea. Yeah, that they basically get a buy that week. Like somebody else is a little eliminated while they're at home eating cookies. So I totally agree. They leave, they're out. And then you bring in the next or you bring in the last person that got eliminated. It makes so much more sense. and is much fairer. Tough shit for the person that got sick and is no longer on the show, but just make sure they know that coming in. Tara: [20:07] I think they've done that on Drag Race before. Dave: [20:09] Yeah, all right. So I don't really have like a rule that is set to a particular event in a show. I just think if somebody does something super duper dumb, everyone at a full metal jacket gets to beat you with a soap bar and a sock at night. Wouldn't that be very fulfilling? Tara: [20:30] Yeah. Sarah: [20:30] We're not really talking about reality TV in a moment, though, are we? Dave: [20:35] Oh, I misunderstood the question. Sarah: [20:37] Get a rope. Dave: [20:38] Oops. All right. Tara, what do you got here? Tara: [20:42] Honestly, I mean, Seekent's rule is very good. It's tough to improve on that one. I didn't have one that was top of mind. So I'm going to say my rule is on The Amazing Race, if you ask a stranger to use their phone, which happens all the time, like, can we look this up? Can we get directions? Because they only have maps. because they don't have GPS, obviously. That should incur a time penalty. Not a huge one. Not like when you bail on a task and it's like, well, we're, you know, you have to sit here for four hours. Just, but like half an hour. Enough that you feel it. Enough that someone could pass you. Because figure it out. Sarah: [21:15] It's a good rule. Dave: [21:16] Yeah, I thought I thought of one. OK, if there's something that really feels like the hand of the producer has gone in like the hand of God on something. And God knows y'all an example I'm about to say, of course, Boston robs a mysterious plane turning back to the gate for no fucking reason so that they could be in the finale properly. Tara: [21:36] Yes, Dave, I got your note about making sure I mentioned this in your eulogy. Continue. Dave: [21:43] I feel like a cigarette smoking bad. I don't care who wins, as long as Foster Brown never does. I don't know. He wants it pretty bad. Is that when that happens and you can see the hand of God pulling the strings, that the public gets access to what do you call them? The dailies or, you know, the footage they never use, the unedited footage. So we can see actually what happened. And, you know, there could be some sort of threshold where if enough people complain about it and only then you get like the cameraman's GoPro footage or however they are going to document this. Basically, what I'm asking for is body cams for reality shows. And legally, we're allowed to review the footage. Great. Sister Knight is back with another question. Before they break up for good, do some corporate synergy with Warner Brothers and Discovery and concoct a crossover with an uber high prestige HBO property with the most bottom of the barrel reality offering like, for example, Succession and Seeking Sister Wives. Deadwood meets my cat from hell. No matter if you get Al or a Bullock, it's probably not going to end well for the cat or Jackson Galaxy for that matter. Tara: [23:02] Oh, 90 day Dune prophecy. Sarah. Sarah: [23:07] We're rebooting Oz's docudrama featuring an experimental supermax filled with the murderous subjects of investigation and discoveries. Twisted sisters. I would watch the hell out of this. I'm not going to lie. Don't think I'd be alone either. Dave: [23:21] Last question for us this week comes from Suli, rhymes with Julie. If you could bring back one extinct animal, what would it be and why? Tara? Tara: [23:31] Well, I would bring back Compcygnathus, a dinosaur that grew to around the size of a chicken. It's only a little smaller than Sandy McTire. I would like to see them get into it. Dave? Dave: [23:45] Maybe they would just curl up on the same bed. Tara: [23:47] That would be adorable too. Dave: [23:48] I would love to have a Sandy McTierre-sized dinosaur. Tara: [23:52] Yeah. No, just like a tiny bit smaller so that she could like mother it more, you know? Dave: [23:56] Yeah. I mean, isn't like a monitor lizard about that size? Or are those the really bad ones? I always forget whether it's the Gila monster or the monitor lizard that has all the poison. Anyways, what are those? Tara: [24:06] Yeah. Dave: [24:06] My real but pedestrian answer is the dodo because I just think they look really neat. They're just like weird. And apparently they were tasty as fuck. So there's something for you meat eaters out there. Bring them back. But in the interest of not going for the most obvious one, I will say another dinosaur that I've always been a fan of, the Triceratops. Tara: [24:26] Mm-hmm. Dave: [24:27] Or the saber-toothed cat, because that's another one that just is like familiar, but freaky. Also, I'm going to put in there, only because I did not know they were extinct until I started looking up stuff for this, the passenger pigeon. Tara: [24:39] Oh, yeah, they've been. Dave: [24:41] I don't know why that never entered my brain that the passenger pigeon is an extinct species. I just assumed I heard the word pigeon and I thought, well, there's billions of those. And apparently there was billions of those up until the last century. Tara: [24:53] Yeah. Dave: [24:54] And then what? Cats got really good at catching birds. How did we kill billions of passenger pigeons in the span of a century? Tara: [25:01] I reread a whole thing about it in like early high school. So, of course, I do not remember. Dave: [25:06] Okay, great. Tara: [25:08] Sure. Sarah: [25:09] The dodo, but my reasoning is different. This is what my nibblings and most. Sarah: [25:14] Of my friends' kids called me when they were little and couldn't quite get Sarah to work with their small faces. So instead of bye-bye, Sadie, bye-bye, Dodo, so I would just like to see one. And apparently they were pretty big. Dave: [25:28] Aren't you worried about the competition? Sarah: [25:30] No. Tara: [25:31] Commercial exploitation of pigeon meat on a massive scale and loss of habitat is what killed the passenger pigeon permanently. Dave: [25:39] But aren't they everywhere? They're pigeons. Tara: [25:41] I don't know. Maybe those ones must taste better than the standard pigeons that you... Dave: [25:45] Their habitats are wherever. Tara: [25:47] Well, maybe passenger pigeons are different. Hence. Dave: [25:51] They weren't hardy. Yeah. They're the Neanderthals. Tara: [25:54] Trash pigeons. Dave: [25:55] Yeah. Sarah: [25:56] Neanderthals. Hmm. Hmm. Dave: [25:59] How you say it jules verne jovial gent what is a show that only exists as a name in your mind and what do you think it is actually about go to the ask ask ehe channel on our discord plop your answer down we'll be back in a future episode with judgment on that Dave: [26:18] one it is time for the tiny canon presenting this week is our good friend john ramos aka the couch baron Hi, Extra Hot Great. Today I'm submitting a moment from Primo. Sarah: [26:31] Season only, episode 2, entitled The Cookout, to the blink-and-you'll-miss-it tiny canon. This episode, as the title would indicate. Tara: [27:16] In clip two. I don't. Sarah: [27:24] Believe this is an actual kids. Tara: [27:25] Bop song because I couldn't find it. Sarah: [27:27] With some quick. Tara: [27:27] Research and also knowing the original what would a clean version even be even if there is. Sarah: [27:32] A kids bob version the show didn't have to include something so throwaway and let's face it so stupid for. Tara: [27:50] Tiny canon submission gets So I'll stop talking and let you hustle to a verdict. Thank you, John. Sarah, why don't you start us off? Sarah: [27:58] I really love this presentation because Primo is really good at alternating or sort of integrating, I guess is a better word, big moments and big laughs and like little throw away things that if you notice it, great, good for you. I am still mad that we're not getting any more of this show. Season only is bittersweet, bittersweet chuckle for me. but I really appreciate that this presentation sort of focuses on the fact that there's absolutely no reason for them to go this granular, this particular joke, but it stands in for the care that this show takes with its joke density. And this show was undersung because of its conscientiousness about its joke density and paying things off that happened two minutes ago, 20 minutes ago. I did wind up watching the entire episode because I like to treat myself. It's a good show. Tara: [28:55] For. Sarah: [28:56] This to be the song that they make up. Tara: [28:59] A kid's bop version. Sarah: [29:00] Of and then of course they have to have it be a throwaway because you can't have it less longer than. Tara: [29:05] Five seconds there's nowhere to go it's. Sarah: [29:08] So it's so good and whoever decided that this should be a thing and then executed on it you are in our thoughts and prayers every day excellent presentation and thank you for quote making me watch the whole episode the cookout because it's very good and why is she putting cinnamon in tamales. Tara: [29:26] That's terrible tara yeah i know season only is accurate john makes me so sad i know i know come on but yeah everything about this entire episode is perfect i i also watched it as a treat i did like a marathon on saturday of everything i needed to watch for this week and that was the end of it it's like yeah this is my reward the only thing wrong with primo is that we can't induct every episode into the canon or can we but this is a god tier joke in a show that is so full of them i have watched the whole series run all only eight episodes straight through at least four times i never caught this once john you are doing the lord's work to highlight this because it truly is so good and i'm so glad that you brought it to our attention dave. Dave: [30:19] Well, not surprise you that I didn't clock this either, partly because it happened so fast, but also I have no idea what the song was. So I had to look it up when all this came on. I was like, oh, OK, that's pretty funny. Sarah: [30:32] Should we tell listeners what it is in case they didn't get the reference? Dave: [30:35] It's Hustlin' by Rick Ross featuring the lyrics, Jose Canseco just snitch it because he's finished. I feed him steroids to straighten up all my chickens. Tara: [30:46] Sure. Dave: [30:47] Okay. That's about the only line I could read without something really bad. Or something I shouldn't say. Tara: [30:54] Yeah. Dave: [30:55] So yeah, great little moment. And you know, this is the joy of shows like Primo that are so smart and dumb when it wants to be at the same time that are packed very tightly is that you can watch it for the third or fourth time and you get something new out of it. And this is definitely new for me and I loved it. So let's put this to the official vote. Sarah D. Bunting, tiny blink and you'll miss it canon, worthy or not. Sarah: [31:20] I'm just putting a note here that at some point we all need to spitball what else was on that Kids Bob playlist at that cookout. In the meantime, absolutely yes. Thank you, John. Dave: [31:31] Of course. Tara: [31:33] Note to future submitters, anything from Prima, I'm going to vote it in. Like one of my favorite shows of my life. and you know I've watched a few. Dave. Dave: [31:43] All right. I'm going to say yes as well. So the kids bop callback from Primo. You are hereby inducted into the extra hot, great, tiny blink and you'll miss a can. Dave: [31:56] One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, It is time for the not quite top 11 lists. I will go first. I have a not quite top 16 most British sounding TV shows I have not heard of until now. Tara: [32:17] Wow. Dave: [32:18] Here we go. All Gas and Gators. Beggar My Neighbor. Brambly Hedge. Tara: [32:26] Oh my God. Wow. Dave: [32:28] Camberwick Green. Sarah: [32:30] Oh. Dave: [32:31] Charlton and the Wheelies. Come and have a go if you think you're smart enough. No. Dixon of Doc Green, Follyfoot, Heady Wainthrop Investigates, It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, Lark Rise to Candleford, Oh No at Swellwind Froggit. Tara: [32:55] No, you made that up. Dave: [32:58] S-E-L-W-Y-N, Froggit, two G's, two T's, exclamation point. Tara: [33:03] All right. Dave: [33:04] Three more to go. two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club. And finally, and this is probably the most British of them all, Warzel Gummidge. All real shows. Any show you'd like to hear more about, just let me know on the Discord. I'm happy to illuminate. Tara: [33:26] Wow. Dave: [33:26] Sarah D. Bunting, what do you got? Sarah: [33:28] I have not quite 11, unjustly in a question mark, forgotten American TV series. In alphabetical order. Number one, America. Alistair Cooke's, quote, personal history of the U.S., produced for Time Life and the Beeb in 1972, part of the golden age of let public television explain massive concepts like civilization and cosmos to you. Number two, America by Design, another public telejoint that overviewed American architecture, hosted by Spiro Kostoff, who apparently had some not like avant-garde ideas about architecture and context, but his ideas are very widely accepted now. And if you want to check out his lectures at Berkeley, they are online. They're called Take a Class with Kostoff. Number three, American Chronicles. Twin Peaks co-creators Mark Frost and David Lynch exec produced this, quote, arty and offbeat half-hour doc series about facets of American culture. Unfortunately, Richard Dreyfuss narrated. Sarah: [34:35] Number four, American cinema. Even more public television, this one a mid-90s PBS series on the history of American film hosted by John Lithgow. Number five, American detective, an effort from ABC to replicate the success of cops. And the origin story of one sheriff, John Bunnell, who learned the hard way that cops isn't that easy to replicate. It tracked IRL cops, quote, on and off the job and may have been garbage, but also may have been okay if anyone from ABC News was involved. Sarah: [35:07] Number six, American Gothic, or the one I always get confused with, Kindred the Embraced. This one was produced by Sean Cassidy and starred Gary Cole as a literally demonic small town sheriff. This is one of those shows that you describe it and so many more people than you expect are like, oh yeah, I like that thing. Sarah: [35:24] Number seven, American Odyssey. Does not get the same reaction. This was a mid-teens wannabe homeland thriller. Remember when you had wannabe homeland thrillers about false flag operations way high up in the American military, co-starred Treat Williams, Adebisi from Oz, Anna Friel, and The Fatch, and was co-created by Peter Horton, who apparently was going for quite a direct parallel of Homer's The Odyssey until the network was like, nobody cares. And no one did, and it died after a season. Number eight, The American Sportsman. Kurt Gowdy took celebrities hunting and fishing. That's it. That's the show. But Paul Newman did it. Robert Duvall did it. And Robert Stack did it. And if that episode is anywhere on YouTube, someone needs to force us with it. Prontito. Because Stacky and hip waiters intoning, perhaps someone will catch Nessie today. Perhaps it's you. Needs to be in our eyeballs. Come on. Number nine, The Americans, 1961 version, two Virginia brothers fighting on opposite sides in the Civil War, starring nobody you've ever heard of, although it did get some decent guest stars like Robert Culp and Lee Marvin. And the promo art makes it look like it's kind of a comedy, but I'm sort of intrigued as to what the angle was only 100 years after Fort Sumter. Sarah: [36:46] And finally, America with a K. Alex McNeil's Total Television doesn't usually editorialize in this fashion, but calls this seven-part, 14-and-a-half-hour miniseries heavy-handed. This is the one with Chris Christopherson that is the Soviets taking over America without firing a shot. One from 1987. I remember everyone talking about it, but I've never seen a frame of it, and I'm kind of curious as to how it's held up. And that's my list. Tara: [37:14] All right. Sarah: [37:14] Tara. Tara: [37:15] In honor of Captain Nemo in our lead topic, I've got the not quite top 11 TV captains counting down from 10. Captain Caveman. Not a great character, but you've got to include it. He's got a battle cry. Sarah: [37:30] You do. Tara: [37:31] Number nine, Captain Edmund Blackadder from Blackadder Goes Fourth, edging out Captain Darling. Sorry, darling. Number eight, Captain Kara Thrace from the reboot Battlestar Galactica. Don't know if there was a Carith race in the first one. I'm going to guess probably not. Don't know her camp vouch for. Number seven, Captain Taronga Leela has not let being a Cyclops stop her being a starship captain. Number six, Captain Christopher Pike with very stiff competition in the Star Trek world. He is the most Captain Daddy to me these days. He's the one from Stage New Worlds. Number five, Captain Maggie Quinn from my favorite show, Going Dutch. That's right. I said it. Number four, Captain Nathan Fielder from season two of the rehearsal. No spoilers, but you've had time to watch it. Hot damn. Number three is Captain Raymond Holt from Brooklyn Nine-Nine. This was a tough one, but I had to put him in second place. It's Captain Cassian Andor from Andor. Just a little bit of a whiner. He's obviously very cool, but, you know, he's not perfect. Who is perfect? Number one, Captain Peggy Carter from Agent Carter. Looks amazing. We love her. Number one. Sarah: [38:54] Do you know what time it is? Tara: [38:55] Uh, time to cross our fingers that nothing bad is going to happen to us? Sarah: [38:59] It's game time. Tara: [39:00] Oh! We'll be right back. Sarah: [39:13] Hello! Today we are playing a quick non-regulation game called All the President's Chung Chung to celebrate two very American things. Number one, the film All the President's Men, and number two, Law & Order Long Weekend Marathons. Here is how it will work. I will give our players, Sarah and Dave, the name of an actor from the film All the President's Men and the role they played in that film. Then the players will tell me if that actor was ever in a Law & Order, any Law & Order, SVU, Los Angeles, Famous Original, et cetera. You can then answer for two points. Or if you're not confident you know who the actor even is, you can ask for a hint. I'll give you a handful of the actor's best known other roles. If you guess correctly, then you will get one point. But because these are 50-50 shots, you only get one guess in each question set. Here is an example. In All the President's Men, Nicholas Koster plays an attorney pretending he isn't at the Watergate burglar's arraignment. Was Nicholas Koster in a Law & Order? Tara: [40:20] Definitely. Sarah: [40:21] Correct. That is good for two points. If you needed the hints, he played Roger Azarian's father in Beverly Hills 90210. He was on Santa Barbara for like 600 episodes as Lionel Lockridge, and he played Blair Warner's father on Facts of Life. Tara: [40:36] Yes, of course. Sarah: [40:37] And he has been in two Law & Order Mothership episodes. The winner of this game will get two steel meals. They can keep one, but must assign the other one. We have 10 questions, which is as many questions as amendments in the Bill of Rights, plus a tiebreaker. Are we ready to play All the President's Chung Chung? Dave: [40:59] Yes. Sarah: [41:00] All right. Let's begin with Tara. Dustin Hoffman plays Washington Post reporter Carl Bernstein and all the president's men. Has Dustin Hoffman ever appeared in a law and order? Tara: [41:12] No. Sarah: [41:12] Correct. I'm not going to list his credits because you don't need them. It does seem sort of weird that he was never in any law and order, but he was not. Dave, here is your first question. Robert Redford plays Bob Woodward in All the President's Men. Has Robert Redford appeared in a Law & Order episode? Dave: [41:31] Well, first of all, I'd like to congratulate Tara on her victory now. Having watched 10 episodes of Law & Order throughout my life, this is going to be tough. I don't think I'm going to take any hints because if I am going to win, it's just going to be by law of averages on random guesses. Not because I know if he's been on the show or not, but because I don't think Sarah wants to start the game with alternating answers. I'm going to say no. Sarah: [41:57] Correct for two points. Robert Redford was in Butch and Sundance and The Sting and The Natural, but not a natural for a Law and Order episode. Back to Tara. Tara: [42:08] Yes. Sarah: [42:08] Jack Warden plays post-editor Harry Rosenfeld, i.e. the one who's actually on Woodstein's side with the story. Has Jack Warden ever been in a Law & Order episode? Tara: [42:18] I think so. Sarah: [42:21] Incorrect. Tara: [42:22] Okay. Sarah: [42:23] He was juror number seven in 12 Angry Men, but was not on a Law & Order episode, although it does seem like he should have been. Tara: [42:30] Well, maybe he lived in LA. Sarah: [42:32] Back to Dave. Hal Holbrook plays Deep Throat in All the President's Men. Was Hal Holbrook ever in a Law & Order? Dave: [42:40] I'm going to say he was because four no's in a row feels weird to me. Sarah: [42:46] It does. But there you go. Tara: [42:49] I thought he was like a defense attorney or something. That's crazy. Sarah: [42:51] I know. He really does seem like he should have been. So no points there. But we're going back to Tara. Tara: [42:59] Okay. Sarah: [42:59] Jane Alexander plays the fearful bookkeeper Bernstein interviews. Has Jane Alexander been in any law and orders? Yes or no? Tara: [43:08] For sure. she's uh oh i was gonna say she's a judge and then i remember that's in the good fight good wife universe but i'm still gonna say yes. Sarah: [43:16] Correct that was part of the hint she was also in the ring which i totally forgot about oh sure in the law and order verse she is regina moroni aka basically rose kennedy one of the many adam's shitty richie friends that he's forced to disavow sure sure, Back to Dave with Stephen Collins, who plays Hugh Sloan, one of the committee to reelects accountants. Was Stephen Collins ever in a law and order? Tara: [43:43] You know him. Dave: [43:45] Oh, I know he is. Sarah: [43:47] That is correct for two points. He was a coffee magnate who was fucking his son's fiance and then impregnated and then killed her on SVU. Dave: [43:58] Is that a roll? Sarah: [44:00] Yeah, I mean, only if the fiance is 15. Allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly. Dave: [44:09] Crank call, crank call. Sarah: [44:12] This seems like a great time to call my lawyer and get a score break. Tara, where are we? Tara: [44:18] Well, Dave was wrong. This is very suspenseful. We are tied with four points each. Sarah: [44:23] Ooh, okay. You each have two questions left. It is anybody's game. Back to Tara. Tara: [44:29] Okay. Sarah: [44:30] Meredith Baxter plays Mrs. Hugh Sloan in All the President's Men. Has Meredith Baxter been in any laws and order? Tara: [44:39] She seems like someone who's like at the level of being on SVU, but I'm still going to say no. Sarah: [44:45] Correct. For two points. Dave: [44:48] Sha-la-la. Like Betty Broderick. Sarah: [44:51] What? Tara: [44:52] Sha-la-la-la. Dave: [44:53] Sha-la-la-la. Sarah: [44:54] Sha-la-la-la. I would have probably gotten this one wrong if I hadn't written the game because I have thought for years that she played Serena Benson, but she actually played Rush's mother on, Cold Case. Tara: [45:11] Oh. Sarah: [45:11] Yeah. Yeah. No law and orders. It seems like she should have, though. Back to Dave. Ned Beatty. Pretty sure you know who that guy is. He plays Dardis, the Florida DA's office investigator, whose office Bernstein camps out in to get money trail paperwork. Has Ned Beatty been in a law and order? Dave: [45:30] Well, I know he was on homicide. And that feels like law and order. So my brain is saying he was a law and order. That's also where Munch was, right? Munch is from homicide. Is that right? Sarah: [45:41] Yes. Tara: [45:41] And then he was on murder. Dave: [45:42] There's universal potential for a crossover. I'm going to say he had his fill and he's not in Law and Order. Tara: [45:55] Whoa! I would have said that too. Sarah: [45:58] It was not a crossover. He was a judge suffering from dementia in a season 19 episode of Mothership. Tara: [46:06] Sure, sure. Sarah: [46:07] All right. Everybody's last question. Back to you, Tara. Jason Robards plays Washington Post editor-in-chief Ben Bradley. Did Jason Robards ever do a Law & Order episode? Tara: [46:17] I don't think so. Sarah: [46:19] Correct, for two points. His son Sam was in Two, 16 years apart, but Robards' pair, no. And Dave, your last question. Robert Walden plays Little Don Segretti in All the President's Men. Has Walden been on a Law & Order? Dave: [46:38] Who? Sarah: [46:39] Robert Walden. Tara: [46:40] Robert Walden. Sarah: [46:41] He plays Don Segretti in All the Prisons Men. Dave: [46:45] Sure, he was in Lawner. Sarah: [46:47] Yes! Tara: [46:48] Two points! Sarah: [46:49] He's in the SVU season premiere, season seven. He looks completely different, and you would never recognize him. Dave: [46:57] Good, because I don't recognize him now. Sarah: [47:00] So what are our final scores after regulation? Tara: [47:04] I think we both had very respectable performances. Dave, despite your pessimism going into this, Dave finished with six points, I had eight. Sarah: [47:15] Congratulations. Thank you so much. Should we play the tiebreaker just for funsies? Dave: [47:19] Mm-hmm. Sarah: [47:20] For another steel meal? Why not? Tara: [47:22] I'll assign mine to the valued guests. There they go. Sarah: [47:26] Well played. And for one more steel meal, which you can do whatever you want with. Dave: [47:31] Yes. Sarah: [47:32] That's not how it works. Dave: [47:33] No. Sarah: [47:34] In All the President's Men, Lindsey Krauss plays Kay, a colleague of Woodstein's, who lets them pressure her into contacting a recent ex-boyfriend and getting them some leads. Tara: [47:43] Yeah. Sarah: [47:43] You both probably know she has been on at least one Law & Order, but how many Law & Order episodes across all the franchises? Closest to the pin takes it. We will go in play order. Tara answering first. Tara: [48:00] I'm going to be conservative and say two. Sarah: [48:02] Dave? Dave: [48:03] Yes. Tara: [48:05] Three. Sarah: [48:07] Dave is closest to the pin. Lindsay Krause has been in 10 franchise episodes. Tara: [48:14] Oh, my God. Sarah: [48:15] Seven as an arrangement judge on SVU. She was a judge twice on Law & Order Mothership, different character each time. And then her most famous one is, of course, the sexful therapist Diane Mead from season three. Tara: [48:29] Of course. Dave: [48:30] That's what it says on her business card. Tara: [48:32] Yeah. Sarah: [48:37] Tara. Tara. Dave: [48:39] Thank you, Sarah. That is it for this episode of Extra, Extra Hot Great. We embarked for adventure with the crew of the Nautilus, kind of, before answering your burning ass EHG questions like, what showrunner are you going to pump full of mushrooms and how much will Aaron Sorkin enjoy that? We didn't miss out putting Couch Barron's Blink-It-You'll-Miss-It primo moment into the tiny canon. We gave you our not-quite-top-11 list and wrap that all up with Sarah's non-regulation Law & Order Game Time. Next up is the ER Draft on ESG Prime with Beez or Laura. Remember. We're listening. I am David Teakle and on behalf of Tara Arellano. Tara: [49:27] That kid sucks. Dave: [49:28] And Sarah D. Bundy. Sarah: [49:30] Survey says. Dave: [49:32] Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time right here on Extra, Extra Hot Great. Tara: [50:07] This.