Hissing And Booing At The Snake

Sarah: [0:03] Paying attention the first second someone touched a snake. Dave: [0:12] This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 358 for the June 14, 2025 weekend. I am undercover police officer, no, wait, sorry, I am covered in makeup police officer, David T. Cole, and I'm here with undesirable box, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [0:34] Take mine. Dave: [0:35] And leathery bounty hunter, Tara Ariano. Tara: [0:38] Oh, this is all natural? Tara: [0:47] Welcome to Extra, Extra Hot Great for another weekend. I feel I must break in and say we have never been closer to hitting our next milestone than we are. As of this recording, we are $25 away. It's so close. So if you have anyone you can gift a subscription to, if you can kick up your pledge, I mean, now's the time. Drunk Dave. We all want to hear it. Not to mention the commentaries by Stephanie and Carrie. So there's a lot of good stuff coming. What we're talking about today is much less interesting. It is the snake. Fox has assembled a cast of what we are told are 15 master manipulators for a game of what we are told is social survival of the fittest. But is basically just methadone to keep fans from fiending between seasons of The Traitors. After the cast is arbitrarily divided in half, the seeming losers get to be the ones to compete for control of the game as The Snake. Then there's apparently a full day of strategizing for a saving ceremony in which each contestant picked to continue gets to pick one more and so on down the line until only the last two most unpopular players are left and The Snake gets to save just one, dooming the other. Apparently, future games will involve pouring bugs on people's heads, so that's something to look forward to. The show is hosted by unpleasant Australian comic Jim Jeffries. Dave: [2:13] Yeah. Was that the Chiron? Tara: [2:16] It should have been. It was created by Sally Ann Salsano, who also brought us Jersey Shore. Only one episode has aired so far on Fox. We got access to the first three, but if anyone outside this household watched ahead, and they will be careful about spoilers. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch The Snake? Sarah: [2:37] Okay, there's a lot of reasons why not, but here's my main reason why not. I don't know if anyone remembers that animation that you used to pre-rickroll, rickroll people. It was little badgers and mushrooms in the song. Badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers. Mushrooms, mushrooms. Tara: [3:00] And then in the middle. Sarah: [3:02] Snake, it's a snake. My then-boyfriend, when this was going around the internet, used to snake-roll me with that section all the time. This will be stuck in my head for a week. I resent The Snake for that, and also for being seven minutes of content in a 41-minute bag. Do not watch it. It stinks. Dave. Tara: [3:28] Snakes? Why did it have to be snakes? That sucks I concur, it's dumb Let's get into it I have not watched Survivor in many years And yet it still makes me sad to see how the TV industry has watered down what actually made it good Like The Traitors is barely a show in my opinion And this is the watered down version of that Yeah. Dave: [3:56] But they do innovate by bringing all the contestants into the game in shipping. Tara: [4:01] Crates It's like the Tasmanian devil getting brought. Dave: [4:06] Over to America or something. Tara: [4:07] Uh-huh. Sarah: [4:08] I mean, first of all, I have questions about the episode one villain, Catherine, who spells it K-E-T-H. Is that really how it's spelled, or is that just how the host pronounces it? Tara: [4:21] I think she was born Catherine, and she changed it to Catherine to be interesting. Dave: [4:26] Catherine sounds like it's an empire to some video game with Wing Commander. The dreaded Catherine Empire will conquer Earth and enslave you all. Sarah: [4:35] It's like, what if Survivor Tribal Council, but like the Crunchberry version where it's just all? Dave: [4:41] What? Oops, all Tribal Council, you mean? Yeah. Sarah: [4:44] Yeah. The traitors, I get it because you have some personalities there that are known to you. You have Alan Cumming, who is awesome and can make things seem much more sort of interesting and prestigious than they are. And even if he can't, his outfits are interesting and prestigious. This is just like boring and in the summer. Dave: [5:06] It's like, but it's also trying to be traitors. And Survivor, and Fear Factor, and The Bachelor is trying to be all these things at once. And it's just like, it's too much of a mush. Bad stew! It's bad stew! It's just very confused, including the name as it pertains to the game. They keep on calling the person who gets picked to start the chain of eliminations. That's the big conceit of the game. But then the snake is also referred to as the whole group of people is the snake and i think the snake also had some metaphorical definitions as well as we went along in episode one it just seemed like it was on the back of a napkin and that's what they shot from they didn't really actually think about it any more than that it was very confused so like not only the game itself was confused but like the references they were making to past games that they were obviously excuse me past shows that they're obviously cribbing off and it is just so messy like literally they bring everybody in crates which is bad enough and then then like crates open they're revealed but then like the director's note was we have to have everybody come in differently so there's people that pop out of the crate there's one poor girl that's like crawling out of the crate like she's um gyllenhaal from secretary you know like it's just like oh guys just yeah that. Sarah: [6:34] Was very bachelor I thought that it's like everyone has to do a bit when they get out of the limo like do they really this could just be 15 minutes but it's an hour and a half. Dave: [6:44] Yeah you know they've done that thing with casting where it's like everybody's got to be different from everybody else we got to have a pastor we're gonna have a bounty hunter we're gonna have a model you know like there's no two people that are like anywhere close to each other like they seem to have cast first for their occupation there's an only fans person in there as well and it just seems so over overwrought and yet the results are underwrought it's underwrought a word sure. Sarah: [7:11] And then there's the fact that in these games there's always a poker player the poker player always has to make a big to-do about how they do this for a living and there's absolutely no beating them and it's like. Dave: [7:24] I know how to read people. Sarah: [7:25] Okay, you're always out like third, because if you were that good at playing poker, you'd just go take money from the rounders in AC instead of going on this stupid show. Dave: [7:36] They are observers of the human condition, Sarah. They can beat anybody at their own game. I read people. Tara: [7:43] Yeah. Well, about that. So when everyone gets out of their crates and gets their first look at each other, Mina, the terrifyingly tan bounty hunter, announces that she should be in charge because she's the oldest. And then so she's told to pick the people she thinks are the biggest threats. And she picks Amanda, who is a lawyer in a skirt suit initially. But then all of the rest are people who have arrived in costume to Dave's point, like the pastors in his dog collar, cheerleader in like a little sport, cowboy, etc. Should the show have made everybody wear a little suit that indicates their identity? Because I feel they should. Dave: [8:17] Yeah, I think they should have gone much louder. Like they all should have looked like they're from Pee-wee's Playhouse. The cowboy should have looked like Cowboy Curtis. The bounty hunter should have had twin bandoliers over her and like giant blunderbusses. Tara: [8:30] Yes. Dave: [8:30] Like they really should have just went full circus with the whole thing, honestly. Tara: [8:34] Yeah. Sarah: [8:34] Yeah. Or only village people occupations and then you're in teams. Tara: [8:39] The first contestant who gets bounced is Kaylee, who is so predatorily horny that even Cody the bull rider has to call her out for it. And the exception to Dave's rule where he says everyone is different from anyone else. There is a cop in like a Party City cop outfit, and that's Kaylee. Dave: [8:57] Yeah. Tara: [8:57] And then there's a detective who's just a detective. Dave: [9:00] Right. But she is Party City cop. I can't approve on that. But he's like a no-nonsense detective, right? Sure. Even though they're both Leos, they're quite different. And she is wearing all the makeup. Tara: [9:13] Oh my God, so much. I thought they were shooting in Australia, which would have been bad enough. But then when I looked it up, they did all this in Argentina. Everyone looks so sweaty and so sunburned and she is just baking. Dave: [9:26] She looks like she started the night at a new alcohol party. Tara: [9:32] Yes. Dave: [9:32] Zima 2025 party. Sarah: [9:34] Oh, wow. Dave: [9:35] And then she went to a rave, and then she went to the snake. Tara: [9:38] Yes, yes. The half-assness of the production is also revealed when they're like, okay, go. And then she just kind of lingers there like she's not sure where she's supposed to go. And then she's like, okay, do I get to say anything? And Jim Jeffries is like, sure. Dave: [9:53] It was so bad. Tara: [9:54] And then she's like, some of you need to watch your backs. Oh, okay, thanks. Glad you stopped down production to say that. Dave: [10:02] Thanks for coming to a reality show. Sarah: [10:04] Yeah. I would put the over-under on her being like, do I get to say anything? And then a producer stepping in and being like, I mean, yes, but you can't be specific about how Catherine is being very obvious because that's everybody else's being stupid problem. I would put the over under on how long it took to negotiate her so-called mic drop before clambering out of the set at like 15 minutes. Dave: [10:30] Yeah, I guess if they're negotiating and talking about it, why didn't they actually say, can we do another take of that exchange where we don't make it obvious that we don't actually have a show Bible to run the tribal council equivalent? Because that was, oh boy, the seams, we see them. Tara: [10:50] Yeah. Also, you could have edited all that out and you didn't. What is the point of this transparency? Yeah. I know neither of you guys watched the new Joe Schmo show from, was that this year? It may have been this year. I don't even remember. It could have been last year, but it was more thought through than this is. I don't care to keep watching and I won't, but if Jacob the pastor is not revealed to be a fake pastor, I don't know what we're doing here. Like, that should have been the reveal of, like, this was my gimmick, but I'm actually whatever. Dave: [11:21] He's just a very awkward stripper. Tara: [11:23] Yeah. Although I do believe that he went to Harvard because he made sure everyone knew in the first night. Dave: [11:33] Yeah, but it's, like, Harvard Technical College in, like, Vermont somewhere. Sarah: [11:38] Harvard Divinity School. Tara: [11:40] Yeah. Well, I did not think the conceit of pretending everyone arrived on set in wooden crates was that great. I will give it up to them for making stupid Kaylee get back in her crate at the end. That was great. That was pretty funny. Dave: [11:50] That was pretty funny. Yeah. That was the only good part of the show, honestly. Yeah. Sarah: [11:53] Yeah. Otherwise, and I saved this line, it's not good, but neither is the show, so that's sort of fitting. It puts the boar back in Ouroboros. Dave: [12:10] All right, let's shake out the snake and bring in everybody's favorite section with their favorite theme of all time. Yes, it's time for Ask E.S.G. Piss! All right, it is time for Ask EHG, which means first we have to deal with Ask, Ask EHG. I will be our judge this week. Last week, I asked, wiener, buns, toppings, tell me about your ideal hot dog. Everybody's got an answer for this, including us. So Tara, hit me up. Best hot dog. Tara: [12:58] Well, I was thinking until I saw what you guys were saying in the Slack, I thought this was like your best home hot dog. Dave: [13:05] It could be anything you want. It's your best hot dog. Don't let other people influence you. Be true to your hot dog desires. Tara: [13:11] Well, with an honorable mention to the hot dogs from Iceland, which are really good. They're made with lamb meat instead of whatever hot dogs are normally made with. Dave: [13:20] Wait, what do you think hot dogs are normally made with? Tara: [13:22] I don't know. I just said raccoons, but you know. Sarah: [13:25] Lips and dicks, lips and dicks. Tara: [13:28] No, no. Listen. Dave: [13:29] I buy you all beef hot dogs. Tara: [13:31] I know that you buy them. I know that's what they say on the package. It's what hot dogs are actually made of. It could not be less my business. I never want to know. Dave: [13:39] We're through the looking glass here, people. Tara: [13:42] Anyway, toppings at home. Cheese whiz, the spread, not the spray. Miracle whip, and I don't want to fucking hear about it. Ketchup, two lines of French's mustard, if that's what you have. But if you have dill mustard, which you brought up in a recent episode, one line of dill, one line of French's. that's my that's my hot dog okay dressing of choice no toasted bun i don't care for a toast we. Dave: [14:06] Are a divided house when it. Tara: [14:08] Comes we are i will toast your buns i do not care to have buns myself is. Sarah: [14:13] Your friend in the men's room all. Dave: [14:14] Right sarah ideal hot dog. Sarah: [14:15] My ideal hot dog under any circumstances veggie dog yellow mustard lightly toasted bun my husband and i are like mixed marriage. He thinks it's okay to mix ketchup and mustard. I just find this religion baffling. I did not realize that my other spouse was also crossing the streams. If it's a veggie dog, I do do a lightly toasted bun because they're just squishier. But back in the day when I did eat meat, plain untoasted is great. And honorable mention to the folks at Crift Dogs, we will put a link in the show notes, but they have some really, I mean, some of them are like wildly disgusting creative topping sets but dave found something to like and they'll put anything on a veggie version as well. Dave: [15:00] Yeah i'm on a uh elote kick right now making it at home and they had an elote hot dog which sounds delicious by elote kick i mean the corn dish not the show elote, i'll have two answers for you because they're very different At home, what I do is toasted bun, veggie dog, of course, charred, like a well-cooked, bubbly, black-skinned, pimply veggie dog. Tara: [15:28] Yeah, same. Dave: [15:29] And on it, I will put dill mustard if we have it, yellow mustard if we don't, line of 57, Heinz 57, which anything I used to have as ketchup as a child, I pretty much put Heinz 57 on now. And then if I have the time, and I'm a lazy person, so sometimes I don't, finely diced onions, dill relish, or just chopped up pickles, I'll put that on there too. Dave: [15:53] And if I also am feeling like I have the time, I will melt some cheese on the actual veggie dogs on the grill before they hit the bun. Bun, medium toasted, that is my home dog. There is a hot dog that I discovered relatively recently in my life that is way too complicated to ever make at home, but it is so fucking good. It's a Sonoran hot dog. If you're from Arizona, you're like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. There is one place in Austin where they make these. It's a guy from Tucson, and he moved here, and he has a Sonoran hot dog hut. So this is what it is top down. There's a line of jalapeno sauce they make in-house, a line of mustard, a line of mayo, which I could do without, but it's not a lot, so it's fine. And then diced tomatoes, diced onions, sautéed onions, then pinto beans, then a bacon-wrapped hot dog. I, of course, will forego the bacon, but they have veggie dog version. That goes on a steamed bun. There's a chili on the side. It is so good, and you just eat one and you're done. It's a meal hot dog. yeah. Sarah: [17:00] It's like a taco salad on a hot dog sounds amazing. Dave: [17:03] Yeah it's really good and it's got like all the flavors and it's it's very umami and savory it's a savory hot dog space so uh that is my favorite hot dog at the moment so let's get to our user hot dogs there was so many replies and a lot of replies from people that just wanted to let us know they don't like hot dogs you're not better than us jesse jesse was saying what we're all thinking i'm just glad extra extra hot grade is getting back to its roots as a food podcast not our winner but the best reply was c kent the only hot dogs i want are those two boys from terriers. Dave: [17:46] Nobody remembers their extra extra great history i guess all right no i remember anything boiled was immediately dismissed we're not boiling hot dogs here in 2025 yuck sister knight rightly points out when we're talking about buns the split top buns bread to hot dog ratio is too high there's too much bread in a split top bun and i agree i think she's right on that one i went down memory lane with elon about toronto street dogs of the aughts and 90s but i have to disqualify his personal choice because he puts olives on his street dog and that's disgusting and elon is disgusting lots of answers with sauerkraut which i don't think i've ever had in my life but i love pickled things so why not so this has prompted me to put sauerkraut on my shopping list thank you everybody our winner. Dave: [18:36] Is lara lara mentioned a hawaiian style dog aka a puka dog puka means hole in hawaiian where they put the hot dog in a hole that they put in the bun so it's like wrapped in a bun but also around the hot dog they put garlic lemon sauce and something this place brands anti lily koi's passion fruit mustard which is like atm machines since lily koi is passion fruit so it's actually ant passion fruits passion fruit mustard which makes her seem like some sort of like character from a fairy tale maybe she is anyways this thing sounds delicious i would definitely inhale one by the way hawaiian hot dog as a thing it's not a thing it's just like this one place in kawaii but i would still inhale one of those so that sounded great that's something i've never heard of before so i am going with laura as our winner this week dm me for your sticker set Thank you. Shall we get to this week's questions? Tara: [19:33] Oh, let's do. Sarah: [19:34] Yes. Dave: [19:34] Pokey Jones is first. What's your least defensible series that you watched to escape from all this? And I'm just going to put, or generally, if you don't watch shows that way to escape things. Tara. Tara: [19:45] It's The Real Housewives of New York City, although if Catherine Van Arundonk is right, and they are all definitely for sure getting fired, my time with them is nearly at an end because I was only there for Jenna Lyons and I will have no interest in anyone else they cast probably. Although, you know, maybe they'll surprise me. Prove me wrong. Sarah. Sarah: [20:03] Before I wade in here, I'd just like to say that I enjoy how much of our content so far in this episode has been focused on things that are euphemisms for cock. So congratulations to us all. My least defensible series is Law & Order SVU, not even the recent ones which are eye roll, but the old mid-aughts ones. From the height or depth of the show's powers, depending on how you look at it, the monkey in a basketball era. It is propaganda. And yet at the same time, the squad is not all that good at their jobs or at being grown up people who aren't assholes. It's a self-important parody of itself. It's a waste of quality guest stars, talents, the whole bit. And yet I find it very soothing, possibly for those reasons. Dave? Dave: [20:49] Basically, this question is, what's your guilty pleasure? And mine is Ancient Aliens. It's a show that is terrible. The premise is terrible the execution's not great but i kind of love it for just how completely terrible it is and how opaque everybody on the show is with the ways they're trying to dance around saying we are total frauds i enjoy that having said that guess what tara you know what time it is it's time for the ancient aliens quiz see if tara still remembers all the answers to the questions posed at the start of ancient aliens credits who were they. Tara: [21:25] Aliens. Dave: [21:25] Why did they come? Tara: [21:27] Gold. Dave: [21:28] What did they leave behind? Tara: [21:30] Us. Dave: [21:31] Where did they go? Tara: [21:32] They're still here. Dave: [21:33] Will they return? Tara: [21:35] I just said they're still here. Dave: [21:36] Perfect score. Tara: [21:40] It took me a second. I was like, is it water or gold? Thank God I got it right. You haven't watched Ancient Aliens in ages. Dave: [21:47] No, but you don't have to. You can just dip in and out because there's three types of episodes over the 18 seasons or whatever it is now, they just keep on rejiggering it. Dixon Chance has our next one. With shows now at a constant risk of vanishing forever, what niche show that will never come to DVD would you be inclined to preserve on your DVR or by other means? Tara: [22:11] Sarah. Sarah: [22:12] I don't really have an answer for this one because the niche or semi-forgotten. Sarah: [22:17] Shows that I revere tend to be the ones that are on DVD only. So I'm going to tweak my answer to say what shows I would never pitch the DVDs for because they're never coming to streaming. And that is judging Amy. Please, someone figure out the rights issues there. Someone is leaving money on the table. And it is my money because I'm going to have to buy the fucking DVDs. Dave. Dave: [22:41] Sometimes in my travels, I come across shows whose premises are so caught in the past and the day we were so innocent and you could just fart anything out and put on TV. But they just don't exist anywhere except for the first 10 minutes are on YouTube and that's it. Why did the guy upload the whole episode? We'll never know. But the one I discovered this week is a show called Run Joe Run. Has anybody heard of Run Joe Run? Let me play a little bit from the opening credits of Run Joe Run. Dave: [23:36] So it's like little hobo beats the fugitive with a little a team on the side it's a german shepherd and the credits are him just like turning on his trainer for some reason there's like a you know a freeze frame of the teeth going over an arm and all this and then he has to go on the road this very smart german shepherd and tour america and try to clear his name sounds fantastic and the exact kind of thing that we should be able to watch the whole series of but we can't and it's only that one guy that had a tape from when he He was a kid and their very, very rich family had the second VCR that ever rolled off the assembly line. And somehow he still had the tape and he put it on YouTube. But where's the rest of it? That's the kind of stuff that I need to preserve. Sarah: [24:24] Why did he turn on his trainer? What happened? Dave: [24:27] We may never know, Sarah. And that's the point of this question. Sarah: [24:30] Yeah. Dave: [24:30] We're just never going to know. I think maybe they caught Joe and they put him down. Sarah: [24:35] I can't live in this liminal space not knowing. Dave: [24:38] All right, Tara, what do you got? Tara: [24:40] First of all, I just want to tell Sarah, you never know what might come to streaming. We had people write impassioned pleas for sisters to come to streaming back in previously.tv times. Dave: [24:50] Yeah, you got homicide. Tara: [24:52] Yeah, homicide came out. There's a bunch of shows that no one ever thought would stream My So-Called Life, and they did. Sarah: [24:58] Yeah. I mean, I haven't given up. I'm just saying. Get on with it. Tara: [25:03] My guiding principle for this one was shows that would never come to DVD because they were streaming originals. And therefore, obviously, my answer has to be Glow. And in fact, this question made me realize I should probably acquire it by other means. Because you never know when Netflix is going to start disappearing shows, too. generally they don't but they might. Dave: [25:23] Portland orc the first what's your preferred complimentary in-flight beverage i haven't been on a plane in a long time but i usually get tea or a coke zero because i don't drink so that's a boring answer but there you have it tara yeah. Tara: [25:38] Same ginger ale sarah. Sarah: [25:40] Hot coffee black with a packet of biscoff cookies. Dave: [25:43] Hayden haymaker who is an actor who Consistently takes good scripts and brings them down. Tara? Tara: [25:51] You know, I just saw him this week in Materialists, and Chris Evans is fine, but he's also so only fine that it's hard for me not to watch him thinking of other people who could have done the same thing better. Dave? Dave: [26:06] Say it with me. Kinnaman! Kinnaman. Sarah? Sarah: [26:12] The most boring man in show business. I did not pick Kinnaman because Dave is here. So I went with Wood Harris. He always seems to be gliding along on top of the dialogue in any given scene. He's a charismatic dude. I wouldn't say he's bad. He's just not as good as like he's in Justified. He's in The Wire and he's your eye goes anywhere else usually in any given scene. So he kind of seems like the weaker link in these projects. Dave: [26:42] Wood Harris sounds like a disease you get it on the frontier. Oh, no hope for him. He's got Wood Harris. Sid, best run up, get done up, beat down scene, verbal or physical? Sarah. Sarah: [26:59] Margaret shoving Danielle Staub's then husband Marty into the pool on Real Housewives of New Jersey a few years ago after Marty, I mean, prompted by producers, obviously, absolutely went off on Margaret as an emasculating hag. That she was like, who's emasculated now? And then she and her husband, Joe Bonino, breeze out of the party and pass Danielle. And she's like, your husband's in the pool. Housewives legend and rightly so. Tara. Tara: [27:25] It's not from TV, but I have to pick it anyway. Eastern Promises Turkish bathhouse fight scene featuring fully naked Viggo Mortensen. And is that whole clip in 4K on the internet? Yes. And you can find it in the show notes. Dave: [27:40] Do you see that guy's balls? They were strong. Tara: [27:44] They were. Dave: [27:45] My first choice is a perfunctory scene, but that is the Raiders of the Lost Ark swordsman in Cairo scene where he's showing off and Harrison Ford just shoots him as Indiana Jones. Classic. Not exactly a beatdown, but it's definitely a run-up and then a very quick end. Add to this the ending of Hot Fuzz, where it's Officer Angel versus all the old town folk in town in that whole battle. And then my third choice was the bathhouse scene from Eastern Promises. Tara: [28:15] Yeah! Sarah: [28:16] The people agree. Dave: [28:18] All right. And with ease, questions for Sarah now that I'm watching Animal Kingdom. One, what is this show? Two, do you think the writers watched a bunch of Below Deck and then dreamed up a charter yacht heist? And three, since Scott Speedman and Sean Hattosi are both on medical shows now, where should Ellen Barkin go in character as Smurf? Sarah: [28:41] Question number one, I don't really know how to answer that. It's like Lady Macbeth heads up the Sopranos in a surf town. I'm going to turn the questioning around on Anne and their ease and ask, have you seen the film? I believe it is on Prime right now. Jackie Weaver was nominated for an Oscar in the originating Smurf role. It's quite good. A lot of people you recognize. Ben Mendelsohn is the Sean Hattosi, and he's amazing. But, you know, it's a crime family show based on a movie. It probably should have stayed a movie, but there was kind of no way to know that until they tried it, and it just went on for too long after, in our timeline, something occurred that should have been the end of it. Number two, I want this to be true, that it was based on Below Deck, so let's act as if, from now on, that is the origin story, we all agree. And third question, not sure that law and order organized crime can contain Ellen Barkin in character as Smurf, so we're going to send her to Mobland, or if you prefer, Mobland, because that's going to be some light-haired fireworks from the ladies of a certain age, and I'm here for it. Tara: [29:52] Correction, it's not on Prime, but it is on Tubi, and we'll link it in the show notes. Dave: [29:55] Jovial gent if you can make any soft serve swirl combination of two flavors what would they be and what coating would you dip them in my swirl is coffee and peanut butter ice cream assuming we have the technology and i opt out of a dip no dip for me please sarah. Sarah: [30:13] Orange and vanilla and no dip, Tara. Tara: [30:16] If I could do vanilla and cherry with a chocolate dip, it would save me the hassle of explaining my custom blizzard order at Dairy Queen. So that is my choice. Dave: [30:27] All right. Vandy has our next question. What is Dave's list of great pop culture yellers? We mentioned something about this in the last X-ray, X-ray, great, I think. And then I was absolutely convinced there was a mini or a dedicated topic about this at some point in our history. I searched and searched and searched, and I could not find it. I went so far as to create a plugin for WordPress that searched some of the metadata that I insert into the show behind the scenes, and also went through some of the transcripts, even though the transcripts don't go back that far. Let me just say, I tripled the amount of data that went into a search just to try to find something that pinged on yellers or yelling, and I could not find it, even though I am convinced it exists so if you actually know what episode that is you let me know and i can make it thorough list so i had to just work off my memory i just did sort of my top three that i could remember off the top of my head so we've got of course bob odenkirk of. Tara: [31:28] Course you suck and you're wasting my time the goat. Dave: [31:31] We've got peter capaldi fuckity bye and a relatively new entry Zosia Mamet. We have to panic! There was more. We had a whole giant list of great pop culture yellers, but it's like... Sarah: [31:46] Tim Robinson is at the top of my list. Dave: [31:49] Yeah, absolutely. That's definitely going in there. Tara: [31:53] What? That's Lennon Parham, right? Dave: [31:55] Yeah. Tara: [31:56] Her? Dave: [31:57] Yeah. Yeah. Okay, great. Tara: [32:02] I'm trying to think of other women. Dave: [32:04] Well, we don't have to relitigate it now. Somebody will find it for us, hopefully, and we can represent that. Johnny S.A. has our last question. An American adaptation of Guy Montgomery's Guymon Spelling Bee would probably fail here. But if they made it, what American comedian would you want to see as the host? Sarah. Sarah: [32:25] My first thought was Jim Gaffigan, but I think he's not quite the right fit for this. So I'm going to go with Chris Tallman, who, if you're not familiar, he's like if someone threw John Goodman and Donald Logue in a blender, he's an actor, improv guy. He was on Reno 911. He did Cross Balls, if anyone remembers that. Tara: [32:44] Oh, sure. Yeah. Sarah: [32:45] But I worked with him on that when I was working on that, like three celebrities sit around in easy chairs watching the night's TV and recapping it. He was the host of that pilot that I worked on that didn't go anywhere. I think he would have the right energy for a Chris Tallman's Tallman B. So that is my pick. Dave. Dave: [33:05] I think you need somebody that is like right on the edge of friendly and dismissive because the pendulum swings, depending how stupid some of the contestants are, is the reaction to them. So I'm going with somebody that I relatively recently discovered because Tara was doing a day of stand-up, Netflix stand-up specials, and that is Beth Stelling. I thought she would be a good fit. Tara: [33:27] Yeah, she's great. Dave: [33:28] Tara. Tara: [33:29] My pick is the co-host of the podcast, Stradio Lab. His name is George Severus. He's very erudite and dry, and I think is right on the line of friendly and dismissive. That's a perfect way to put it. I think he would be delightful. And Stradio Lab is also an excellent podcast. that everyone should listen to. Dave: [33:47] All right, here comes the Ask Ask EHG question for this week. It comes from Jovial Gent. Jovial Gent is back. Which TV show that seemed terrible in concept turned out to be surprisingly good? If you have an answer for that, go to our Discord. Go to Ask Ask EHG channel. Put your answer there. We'll have a look and we'll crown a winner next week. And they will get that cake sticker. The way you can get it is by winning Ask Ask EHG. but I throw a whole bunch of other stickers in there with it. And that is how you get it. Dave: [34:23] Internationally, Bosnia-Herzegovina is set for. Dave: [35:02] 4-3, home team. Payback's a bitch, Ivan. This is the tiny conspiracy canon. What you just heard is from the X-Files, season four, episode seven, Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man. Dave: [35:17] If you remember, this is sort of like the hidden history of the cigarette smoking man and how he was responsible for a lot of things in 20th century history. We discover he was involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion. He made political assassinations in the dominican republic and the congo he shot kennedy and framed oswald he assassinated martin luther king he orchestrated the anita hill controversy and the rodney king trial verdict and at the start of the clip i played he has saddam hussein on hold after he calls and then later in that episode there's some alien stuff but right in the middle of all that. It's this pettiness, this absolute pettiness of cigarette smoking man not wanting the Buffalo Bills to ever win that really makes this scene for me. This is a bad guy who had his thumb on the course of 20th century history, and he decides to spend his credits making sure the Buffalo team can get to the Super Bowl, but never actually clinch the win. Dave: [36:23] And it is this combination of you know sort of this puppet master conspiracy combined with i don't want that sports team to ever win that i think is like just perfect top note to the cigarette smoking man that like sure he is like this machiavellian figure that we never see but we feel in our history but he really fucking hates that one sports team so that's basically my argument there's not much more to that. It's a really great, funny scene in the middle of, you know, sort of a dark episode. But I just love this character note for him. Tara: [37:03] Thank you, Dave. I'll go first. I mean, if you weren't alive in the 90s, you can't remember what it was like that those years when the bills, they got so heartbreakingly close so many times. It's also possible no one else in the country cared about it. But, you know, Dave and I lived in on the other side of the river from buffalo basically yeah and it was a big deal. Dave: [37:24] This. Tara: [37:25] Is as good an explanation as any for why it kept happening. Dave: [37:28] They kept getting to the super bowl yeah i'm not into sports but as i remember it was like four years in a row or something like that they made it to the super bowl and lost yeah it was. Sarah: [37:37] Like four years in four times in five. Dave: [37:40] Years or something like that there. Sarah: [37:41] Is a 30 for 30 about it called four falls of buffalo that. Dave: [37:44] Is just poor guys i. Sarah: [37:46] Mean it's good. Tara: [37:47] Yeah. Sarah: [37:47] If you if you care to learn the details. Tara: [37:50] We never find out, like Dave said, what his problem is with the Bills or Buffalo. It does not matter. It's the issue is he is insistent about it. It's not going to be a discussion. This is just perhaps his only deeply held belief. Everything else he doesn't care about. And also the fact that Cigarette Smoking Man does care about fucking over the Bills and does not care about the Oscars makes him the single biggest enemy that Joe Reed ever had. So I feel like that's important to note as well. This is great. It's a wonderful moment that I will never forget. Sarah. Sarah: [38:24] Yeah, agree. And I was struck by the balance, and Dave brought this up in his presentation, the balance between things of great weighty world import that we still discuss and things that it's like, who cares, really? Like that there's that sort of the lighter sports stuff. And then he has Saddam Hussein on hold and he was embroiled in the assassination of John Kennedy and all of this other stuff, like the balance of it. And then there's also a balance of sort of do me. This is the sort of driving villainous engine of this show and process the explanation of how he rigged the miracle on ice and then just sort of fun, comebacky, like well-timed jokes. It has a perfectly light touch that does everything it needs to do without trying to rewrite too much history, either in the show or at large. So, yeah, great pick. Love it. Dave: [39:26] All right. Let's put this to the vote. Tara Ariano, tiny conspiracy canon worthy or not? Tara: [39:31] Of course. Dave: [39:33] Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah: [39:34] Well, we'll give Buffalo this one. It's a yes from me. Dave: [39:36] All right. So deciding the fate of the Buffalo Bills from the X-Files, you are hereby inducted into the extra hot, great, tiny conspiracy cannon. Dave: [39:48] Americans love a winner. Yep. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. It is time for the not quite winners and losers of the week. I will start off with our first not quite winner. It is Samuel L. Jackson headlining a... I can't... I read this and I was like, what? What? Headlining a Tulsa King spinoff. What? Samuel L. Jackson... What? Called NOLA King, New Orleans, Louisiana King. at Paramount+. I guess they're, I mean, what? I mean, Tulsa King was fun in the first season. The second season just like went off the rails. It was just boring. I don't know. I guess maybe it stayed on the rails too long. I don't know how you explain that metaphor when the show is actually just boring, but that was what it was. And now they're going to do a backdoor pilot with Samuel Jackson coming on Tulsa King, but he is the Tulsa King of new orleans yeah i hope and pray that they just keep on doing this with all our aged actors for the next 20 years we'll just like have a conveyor belt of people as they age into the blank location king franchise yeah but each one of them i insist that samuel jackson cannot be from new orleans he cannot be somebody who's like my town is new orleans and blah blah blah and all that bullshit about hometown stuff i want him to be from like seattle well that's. Tara: [41:14] What they did with Tulsa King, so I assume it's the same sort of thing. Dave: [41:17] I don't want them to change that formula. I don't want it to be like Samuel L. Jackson is a homegrown mob legend. No, I want each, I want basically the first episode of every series to be exactly the same. I'm getting out of prison, I'm going to this town because I'm exiled from my organization. Why is everybody drinking coffee like this now? Ice coffee? What are these motherfuckers about? Tara: [41:40] No, no, no, no, no. You make him be from Portland and his whole thing is he doesn't recognize beignets because he only likes voodoo donuts. Dave: [41:51] Okay. Tara: [41:52] Okay. Sarah: [41:54] I accept. Dave: [41:57] Anyways, delighted to see that piece of news in there. I mean, I'm going to watch it, but I just pray don't mess with the formula. Tara: [42:05] Yeah, they can keep doing this endlessly until like basically all of the Expendables die. But now that Kelsey Grammer is freed up from the Frasier reboot that was terrible, make him Plain King. And then it's just like it's a cross between Money Plain and Tulsa King. Dave: [42:23] As all our favorite actors get older, we put Mike Ehrmantrout in here and we give him Bangor King. Wow. Sarah: [42:34] Of all towns. Dave: [42:35] Yeah. Sarah: [42:35] Love it. Dave: [42:36] All right. My not quite loser of the week is the Wheel of Time fan who spent a boatload of money on a Times Square billboard to try to convince Amazon to uncancel his favorite show, Wheel of Time. I looked up how much that may cost. Minimum $5,000 for a tucked out of the way one if it was actually anywhere. And it was like a lit up, you know, on the pixel board kind of thing yeah so i bet it was five figures that this guy did and it the ad was terrible they spent all this money and it doesn't actually say wheel of time anywhere on it it's just it's just save what you're like what exactly i don't know what this is and there's like not even a picture from the tv show i guess they didn't want to get all this then sued by using assets or the name but i think you're allowed to use the name of something just fine for a petition ad it was a terrible execution and they spent a lot of money on it. So that guy is a loser because you know who's not impressed by you spending $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 on an ad? Jeff Bezos, who basically was just like, I want a show of this. Here's a trillion dollars. And then he got bored of it and it got canceled. Tara: [43:45] And this is not how any of this works. Dave: [43:47] No, no. You got to send pocket watches to the Amazon headquarters. Tara: [43:52] You got to send tires. Dave: [43:54] Tires filled with watches. So when you drive down the highway, it's just... You can hear time itself. Tara: [44:01] Just buy a whole bunch of whatever that alarm clock was we got from Amazon that broke two days after we got it. Dave: [44:08] Can I tell a quick story about that? Tara: [44:09] Yes. Dave: [44:10] Okay. So we needed a new alarm clock. Not for the alarm, but we just needed a new clock for our bedroom, you know, that we could quickly check the time. When we get up in the middle of the night, it's like, oh, my God, how many more hours of sleep do I get? Three. Yay. Tara: [44:21] It's really more like we can't keep watching the devil's plan tonight. It's 1.30 in the morning on a Tuesday. Dave: [44:27] Yeah, it is. It's a safety feature. So our trusty one we've had for decades finally died. So I went on Amazon. I bought this $15 alarm clock. And all of them are Amazon or from, like, you know, some weird Chinese name company. You make your peace with it. You get one. Tara: [44:41] Mooty. Dave: [44:42] I got this one. It lasted about 30 hours and then completely died, just wouldn't turn on anymore. So I left a one-star review saying this died after one day's use and absolutely will not turn on again. I didn't bother asking for a refund because it was like $14. I didn't want to go through it. So then that company emails me and says, we can offer you a replacement or a refund. Reply back with refund for a refund, replacement for a replacement. I'm like, refund, thinking it would go nowhere. Or this was a scam. And then the next thing would be like, can you send us an outline of your house key? Tara: [45:16] Right. Dave: [45:19] But to my surprise, I got a refund. And I was like, all right, in three days, they're going to ask me to take down the review. Boop, boop, boop. Exactly three days later, I get an email that says, well, now that we've given you a refund, can you take that and review? I'm like typing back, absolutely not. Goodbye. Sarah: [45:35] So that's my clock story. Tara: [45:37] And then on their end, they're like, jokes on him. That clock had some kind of virus that's now infected his electrical system. Dave: [45:44] Jokes on him. I just heard the lock in the front door turn. Where's all my stuff? All right. Say what you mean. Not quite winner of the week. Sarah: [45:53] Uh well i've got actually a couple of winners they're both related to, the first winner is titus welliver aka bosh has moved on to starring in the mgm plus series the westies mgm plus does exist sometimes they do good stuff i will probably check this out the westies as a subject i don't care but this is like true crime adjacent so i'll see what it's about The other winner is me, because I got screeners of the spinoff, B-B-B-B-B-Ballard. And I can't really say anything about them for like a month, but I was just honored to be included. Dave: [46:34] Is that the one with Maggie Q? Tara: [46:36] Yes. Sarah: [46:37] Mm-hmm. Dave: [46:38] She should have been on Department Q, if you ask me, but I'm not casting people in Hollywood. Loser of the Week, not quite. Sarah: [46:45] Not quite Losers of the Week. The Cleaning Lady and Alert colon Missing Persons Unit were both canceled at Fox. I would be sadder about this, but these shows of which I had never heard, which actually starred some people of whom I had heard, each got like three or four seasons. So mazel tov and best of luck in your next thing, whatever that is, that I probably also won't hear about because Fox procedurals. What? Dave: [47:12] Yeah, I mean, I feel like I don't watch TV live anymore. But for some reason, I always see ads for the cleaning lady. I don't know why it was like very heavily marketed. It was just each week. It was just her going, oh, these stubborn stains. Tara: [47:25] Really? Dave: [47:25] Three seasons of that? Tara: [47:26] That feels like a show that if it was on CBS would just keep going forever. Like it's it's an interesting premise. It's set in Las Vegas, I think. And I believe the premise is like she gets recruited to do some kind of like surveillance and stuff. I've never seen it either. Dave: [47:41] You know how there is an investigatory procedural for every type of investigator now? Tara: [47:47] Yes. Dave: [47:47] There should be a show about those casino police that come in to make sure you're compliant with everything. Tara: [47:53] Except it gets like conspiratorial. Dave: [47:55] Like it spirals out to like cigarette smoking man territory after like a few episodes. I don't know. I think that could work because it's fun to watch. Tara: [48:04] Yeah, that's a really good idea. Dave: [48:05] I hate going to Vegas, but I love shows set in Vegas. Tara: [48:09] Mm hmm. Dave: [48:10] Tara, you're Not Quite Winner of the Week. Tara: [48:12] My Not Quite Winner of the Week is another gay podcast host comedian. It is Caleb Heron, who is signing to make his debut stand-up special at HBO. Caleb is the host of So True, but is also a very prolific actor. He's been around a bunch. I just saw him in Overcompensating in a Small Role. He is so, so, so funny. So this is wonderful news for all the K-leberties and K-lesbians in his fandom, of whom I am one. My not-quite-loser of the week is David Walliams, formerly of Little Britain. He was on the BBC Would I Lie to You Christmas special, which they were taping this week because that's how TV works. In the course of responding to a story from Helen George, star of Call the Midwife, one of the only original stars. She plays Trixie. We love her. She was telling a story about like a wrist injury and his response was to do a Nazi salute. So the BBC had to be like, um, we condemn him. I mean, I'm sure it's not going to make the edit. Assuming they don't just decide on a whole do over without David Walliams. But what the fuck? What a crazy thing to do. And what a crazy place to do it. Dave: [49:28] I only know Little Britain from one or two glimpses of it in the past, but it seems like one of those shows that was like, oh, I'm edgy, I'm doing this comedy, and then the world left him behind because they were doing semi-racist stuff or something, stereotypical stuff or something like that, I'm guessing, and now he's like John Cleese, where he's like, the world sucks now because I can't do exactly what I want, and I don't understand, I have no empathy. Tara: [49:52] Yes. Dave: [49:52] It feels like that sort of situation. Tara: [49:54] Well. Sarah: [49:55] Yeah, could be. Tara: [49:56] I guess he'll find out how far that's going to take him career-wise, because it seems like probably never going to get to be on Would I Lie to You Again, at the very least. Tara: [50:10] We welcome in our grandpas. And grandpas, we want to tell you, we are only $25 away from hitting our next campaign goal and unlocking the Drunk Dave Collins special, the commentary on a regular basis from Stephanie Green and Carrie Race about vintage TV or other curiosities in the TV landscape. All it takes for us to get there is, does math quickly in head, nine of you two cross over from grandpa to full members. So now's the time. Honestly, we would love to have you. And, you know, if you did it today, you would get to hear the full episode here where we talked at length about hot dogs because we are, if nothing else, a food podcast as previously discussed. But we also talked about the X-Files in the tiny canon. We picked a bunch of not quite winners and losers. And in our lead topic, we discussed the snake, the new Fox game show. And that is the inspiration for this topic, important TV reptiles. I've asked my fellow panelists to bring three important reptiles from TV. Of course, lizards, turtles, crocodiles, alligators, snakes, and dinosaurs all qualify. But if you want to make a stretch case for something that's less, you know, science-y, I think we'd all love to hear it. Sarah, why don't you go first? Sarah: [51:35] I have a few that I am afraid that other people on the panel picked, so I'm going to go with one that seems slightly less likely, and that is the mayor in his final snake form in Buffy the Vampire Slayer Graduation Parts 1 and 2. Not the most impressive integration of the green screen and CGI, but they did manage to make the Super Snake resemble the actor Harry Grainer facially somewhat. And his transformation moment, followed by the entire class whipping aside their cheap graduation gowns and busting out like crossbows and torches and shit that they had been hiding while he was blathering on in the convocation for their battle. Is really a great one so that is my first reptile. Tara: [52:22] Good one dave my. Dave: [52:25] First reptile is from mr show. Tara: [52:27] Thank god, don't worry about it he, sorry. Sulu, get back here! Sulu, come on, what did I... Oh! Don't! He's just showing off because you guys are here. He knows exactly what he's... Sorry about that. I'll keep you up. That's fine. I'm getting deleted. Dave: [53:27] So that is Sulu the Iguana, who is a new pet for the David Cross character. He scurries around the house. And then because it's Mr. Show, he then leaves that room and he's now in the audience and the iguana is running over people and then pees in the corner. That's all fine. Except Sulu the Iguana is Bob Odenkirk in a form-fitting green leotard. Tara: [53:53] Correct. Dave: [53:53] And his tongue is darting in and out for the whole segment. It it is fucking hilarious so good and then after that i think he gets rid of sulu and then he then adopts kills him with a book right and then he adopts an an albino an albino boy who is played. Tara: [54:11] By bob odenkirk's brother bill. Dave: [54:12] Oh really in. Tara: [54:13] A in a yellow. Dave: [54:15] Afro wig yeah all right so my first choice uh sulu the iguana thank. Tara: [54:20] God i had this i thought you were gonna pick it but in case you. Dave: [54:23] Did. Tara: [54:23] And I had this here, too. All right, so I'll go with my next one. Chirpy Boy and Bart Jr. from The Simpsons. After Nelson kills a mother bird in her nest with a BB gun, Bart rescues what he thinks are her eggs, but which end up hatching Bolivian tree lizards, which are predators that go into bird nests and eat the birds and then leave their own eggs. So still, Bart feels a parental duty of care to them, even though they are vicious. Everyone wants to kill them because they're you know an invasive species and he has to defend them and in the end he prevents principal skinner from i believe cutting their heads off with a paper cutter too at one point but anyway they they fly they uh they glide down to the ground and then they eat the pigeons that are infesting springfield and we never hear about them again but chirpy boy and bart jr gone but not forgotten well i was wrong the lizards are a godsend, But isn't that a bit short-sighted? Oh, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death. Dave: [55:42] I would love that joke. Sarah: [55:43] Yikes. all. Tara: [55:45] Right back to sarah for your second important tv reptile. Sarah: [55:49] I mean it sort of pained me to do it but the geico gecko is um apparently unkillable and eternal and whoever voices that guy i always am surprised i've had to look this up repeatedly it's jake wood who among other things was on eastenders is actually a british national and i i have thought that that cockney accent sounded like someone from in Newark, Delaware. And then I'm always surprised to find that it's that it's legit. Dave: [56:20] Why did I think it was Tim Roth? Tara: [56:25] That would be something. Dave: [56:27] Yeah, I don't know why I thought it was Tim Roth. Sarah: [56:30] Oh, now I'm going to think of that every time. Dave. Officer Tubbs, say hi to Elvis. Yep. Former mascot of the University of Florida football Gators. Currently, he's a watchdog and. Tara: [57:10] His feelings. Don't mind him, Elvis. He's from New York. Dave: [57:17] Burn. Sarah: [57:18] He was on my list. That's why I saved it. Dave: [57:20] Sure. That is Elvis, the alligator who guards Crockett's boat on the dock in Miami Vice. For all the weird, dark plot lines in Miami Vice, he also has an alligator as a guard dog on his boat. So, you know, it's a land of contrast over there in Miami. me, but I always enjoyed the idea of Elvis. I would not want to meet him. Sarah: [57:42] Apparently, there were two Elvis. Dave: [57:44] Fat Elvis and Thin Elvis? Sarah: [57:47] Thin Elvis. Yeah, the one on the stamp. It's kind of a try-hard character beat, if you think about it, given everything else I see that was going on on this show, but you really didn't hear about Elvis after the first couple seasons. What's sort of interesting to me too about this reptile is how many downstream pop culture alligators are also named Elvis probably as a result. I think the one on Clarissa was, and it was a direct result of that. So yeah. Dave: [58:17] Also Elvis from Murphy Brown named after the alligator. Tara: [58:23] There never was a real run of people naming their kids Eldon, was there? That name never caught on. My next one is a relatively recent addition to the annals of TV Reptiles. It is Socrates from Common Side Effects. He is a tortoise. He is a vitally important part of the process that grows the blue angel mushroom the show is mainly about via what, Dave? Dave: [58:47] His poop. Tara: [58:48] His poop. The way he is drawn and animated gives him so much wisdom and sweetness. Unlike a certain police officer we're going to be talking about in a few weeks he does not speak even though it's a cartoon he's just very dignified and soulful I would say he's been in some peril he always escaped I think the show's creators know that the viewer or this viewer at least wants to see him outlive every human character on the show and he's a tortoise so he could yeah he could Back to Sarah. Sarah: [59:18] Well, I have a couple of backups, but I think that Dave may have picked one of them as well. So I'm going to go with Dino from the Flintstones, who is a very cute dog-identified dinosaur and probably one of our first pop culture reptiles that we all kind of, when there was a monoculture, we all knew who that was and were fond of him. But hat tip also to the Brontosaurus who like is holding up the drive-in movie screen and basically doing everything else around there. And Dino was just Dino-ing. But yeah, he was cute. And I had a stuffed one. Back in the day, I didn't really like the Flintstones, but I liked stuffed animals. And that was a cute one. It was pink. Tara: [1:00:02] I had Dino as an alt as well. I think Dino might be the first dinosaur I ever was aware of as a child, like as a character, other than all of the, you know, incidental dinosaurs on the Flintstones who are, you know. Working dinosaurs right right. Dave: [1:00:17] It's a living yes my last pick is two lizards a little lizard and a lot of lizard the babies from v yes. Sarah: [1:00:27] V was my other alt uh-huh. Dave: [1:00:30] Elizabeth's twins i mean i won't bother going into the backstory but there is a woman named elizabeth on the show v from nbc back in the 80s and she's giving birth and yeah at some point she was doing it with a visitor and those visitors are lizard people and she's all worried about it and then like the baby comes out she's like oh thank god and then the baby lizard tongue comes out and it's like. Dave: [1:00:56] That was so scary to me and then so scary but wait but we're not done yet in addition to a little bit lizard baby we got a lot of lizard baby which is the second baby that comes out it is fucking all lizard it's like 99 visitor 1 human and it was the scariest fucking thing when you were a kid to watch this yes it looks so fucking goofy it's got like giant it's got like eyes like from some creature from uh like dark crystal or something like that they're just like way too white they're way too open and they're way too like their eye color is extremely blue watch it now it'll make you laugh it's like something like the ghoulies or something like that you know it's got that kind of look to it it doesn't articulate very well you can tell there's just a hand in a latex puppet you know sort of like you know when uh kermit the frog's like like that you know like it's got that sort of yeah it's really funny to watch now but when i was when it what was that show 81 82 something like that 83 83 so i was 11 yeah i scared the living shit out of me no. Sarah: [1:02:04] Same i was 10 did not sleep for a couple days. Dave: [1:02:06] Mm-hmm. Tara: [1:02:07] A couple of honorable mentions. Daisy from episode four of the second season of Poker Face. This is the gator that the Kumail Nanjiani character raises from a tiny gator baby in a Snuggly to a huge, basically, gator partner in a Cruiser. The gator that has a very pivotal role in the end of Righteous Gemstone's final season as well. I won't spoil it, but there's a gator farm. It's kind of Chekhov's gator. My final reptile is going to be, since my others were taken, Jessipa, formerly known as Gandalf from Platonic. This is a bearded lizard that Sylvia and Will liberate from Will's ex-wife's house before Will decides he doesn't actually vibe with Gandalf that much. So Sylvia brings Gandalf home for her own children. Her youngest daughter names it Jessipa with a P. Becomes a crucial piece of evidence of the case against Sylvia's friendship with Will. But, you know, it's innocent. Jessippa slash Gandalf innocent. And that's it. Dave: [1:03:08] And that is it for this episode of Extra Extra Hot Great. We recoiled at the new summer reality show The Snake before answering your burning ass ESG questions like who's hosting a spelling bee show and what show do you save from vanishing forever? The cigarette smoking man's declaration that the Buffalo Bills will never win a Super Bowl was inducted into the tiny conspiracy canon, just as he planned. We celebrated those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week and wrapped it all up with a look at important TV reptiles. Next up, it's We Were Liars on Extra Hot Gray Prime. Remember, we're listening. I am David T. Cole and on behalf of Tara Ariano Back. Tara: [1:03:57] To my crate. Dave: [1:03:57] And Sarah D. Sarah: [1:03:59] Bunting Quite right! Dave: [1:04:01] Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time right here on Extra Extra Hot Crate. Sarah: [1:04:27] All living things. And so Joe runs on, and in his mind is the memory of a little girl.