Should Cupertino Get Another Round Of Funding?

Clips 00:01 I do not you did not. Alright , the Honorable William Onion presiding. Your Honor, this is hi Hi. Dave 00:20 This is the Extra Hawk Ray Podcast, episode 636 for the week of October 12th, 2026. I am Killer Drone David T. Cole and I'm here with eight-year-old trying to order a beer, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 00:38 Objection sustained Dave 00:40 Well-connected Italian-American Tar Ariano Tara 00:42 Hey, cousin Joey. Dave 00:44 and disconcertingly upbeat song from musical Margaret H. Willison Guest 00:49 It's a hard knock life, but I'm trying to take things day by day. Dave 00:55 Welcome everybody to another episode of Extra Hot Grey. A little bit of pod business up top for our club members. You have chosen the sticker you wanted, and the vote was so close that we decided to do the stickers you wanted. Sarah 01:09 Oh Tara 01:09 Wow. Dave 01:10 Separated by only a couple votes, we felt bad only doing one. So we are going to make for you, our club members. Got a lot of shows. Sarah 01:16 , Dave 01:17 It's a great time for shows, sticker. And that was authorized by David Roth, so we have permission. Tara 01:24 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:24 He wants to be paid in stickers. Tara 01:26 You can get it for put it on your gross gas canister. Dave 01:29 That's right. And then also from Tara 's mouth. Save it for your group chat will be our second sticker. Sarah 01:35 Mm-hmm. Dave 01:36 So you can get both of those just by being a club member. I will put the designs up sometime soon and also how to get them for our club members. Look for that in the coming weeks. Tara 01:46 And thanks to everyone who voted, and thanks for everyone who's in the club. Dave 01:48 Yeah, thank you. Tara 01:52 For now, she is a writer and a podcaster. You've heard with us many times before. Welcome back, Margaret H. Willison! Welcome back, Margaret! Sarah 01:59 Mercury Guest 02:00 Guys, thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled to be here to discuss Cooper Tino. Tara 02:06 Yes, we are here to talk about Cupertino, in which S Talk, a Silicon Valley tech company fires two employees on the same day Michael Price, Mike Coulter, a lawyer and co founder who loses his equity, and Olivia Seifer, Rachel Keller, a lawyer who's been working closely with the company's CEO, Richard Everett, Will Brill. When Michael realizes they both have grounds to sue S Talk, they join forces to represent each other, figuring out in the process that they work well together and that they'd probably never run out of clients who've been fucked over by tech companies with evaluations that exceed Economies of many world nations. The show was co-created by Robert and Michelle King, who previously brought us The Good Wife, The Good Fight, and Evil, the show, not the concept. Only one episode has aired so far. On CBS October 8th, we got access to 10, but we will be careful about spoilers. Let's do the chen check-in. Margaret, should our listeners watch Cupertino? Guest 03:02 Yes. Tara 03:03 Sarah. Sarah 03:04 In my opinion, yes Tara 03:06 Dave. Dave 03:06 Yep, I enjoyed it. Tara 03:08 Me too. Let's get into it. The Kings have worked out a pretty solid formula with their lawyer shows. If Cupertino had been a bigger departure from that formula than it is Guest 03:18 Mm-hmm. Tara 03:18 Would we have been mad, Margaret? Guest 03:21 Um, no, because evil is kind of a departure, but the things that make a king show kingy, kingly. Tara 03:25 Mm-hmm Sure. Guest 03:29 They're still there Tara 03:31 Mm-hmm. Guest 03:31 and they make that show work for me even though I am too scared to ever watch it after dark Tara 03:36 Mm-hmm. Okay. You're talking about evil, not Cupertino Dave 03:39 Because of the lawyers. Guest 03:42 I think they could have gone in different directions. I'm not sure how I feel about a all tech all the time uh slate from them, because Tara 03:49 Mm-hmm. Guest 03:50 I like the variations that we would always get on the good wife and the good fight. But based on the pilot, they're doing enough right. I'm gonna keep watching. Tara 03:58 Sarah, what about you? Would you have liked this to be a greater departure or you're happy as it is? Sarah 04:04 I think if it had been a greater departure, I would have trusted the process. But when in my notes, which I barely took because I was sufficiently entertained, I wrote, So it's the Good Wife West. Guest 04:08 Mm-hmm. Sarah 04:17 you know, Parenz complimentary, like everything about it from the the way the theme song is sung to interstitial music, to the way that when you're sort of watching a scene, but you're also like you're listening to the dialogue, but it can be not placeholder, but just like this is the legally 's chess piece moving in the second act. And you're looking at very striking, attractive people dressed well Guest 04:48 Very attractive. Sarah 04:48 and Like it's shot extremely well, which having revisited a good wife episode. For this episode, I was like Oh yeah, like there's always a lot to look at and perhaps that's so you don't examine procedure too closely, but I don't know, like they have a certain magic alchemic blend of Process that's credible and people who have great hair, so you don't give a shit. And like it's Mike Coulter, just watch it on mute. Guest 05:18 Yeah. Sarah 05:19 You're not an animal. Tara 05:21 Dave, same question, and I'll also say since Sarah brought up the trappings, if you want to do a tight five on the uh the font they chose for the look Dave 05:29 Sure. Tara 05:29 for the show title, feel free. Guest 05:31 Yes, please Dave 05:32 Guys, look, Futura condensed bold is a garbage font. It is unworthy of the name Futura, which is an all-time classic, and it always looks artificially stretched to me. Tara 05:37 No, not that. Dave 05:43 And I think maybe they stretch it as well. Sarah 05:43 Mm-hmm Dave 05:45 The letting in their other credits, you know, written by whatever, is atrocious. So whoever is dealing with their type at the start of that show, they needed a second go at that. Guest 05:50 Yeah Dave 05:53 That said, weakest part of the show was the opening credits, so That's good for them. Sarah 05:57 Phew Tara 05:58 Mm-hmm. Sarah 05:59 Mm-hmm Dave 05:59 I actually, in contrast to Margaret, really enjoy the fact that this is shaping up to be just tech episodes, but I will say I think Margaret that because tech touches so much of our lives now that I think you're gonna get a lot of non Guest 06:11 Yeah Dave 06:13 like I'm a coder and I do things. I think you'll get like music episodes and stuff like that because Tara 06:17 Mm-hmm. Dave 06:18 but don't these companies own now? Guest 06:20 I trust the Kings so much. Sarah 06:20 Mm-hmm. Dave 06:21 Yeah, yeah, I agree. Tara 06:22 Yeah Dave 06:23 I really like the tech aspect of it because that's sort of my casual keeping up with the universe world, you know, like I keep up with all the Tara 06:31 Sure. Guest 06:31 Mm-hmm. Dave 06:32 tech industry stuff, so that was interesting to me. And they've been like, you know, pretty good. They're they're they're like batting 800 or so with their tech stuff, I think. Guest 06:38 Yeah. Dave 06:42 There was one episode where there was a uh iPad following people around on a segue that made me laugh. Um kinda dumb. But anyways, they do generally pretty good. Tara 06:49 Mm-hmm. Dave 06:51 So I think the subject matter is in good hands and then they imbue it with all the things that they're known for. The quirky characters, the goofy judges, all that sort of stuff is very familiar. Guest 07:01 God Dave 07:01 And I just started watching it and I was like, oh, I'm in the mood for this right now. You know what I mean? Tara 07:06 Yeah, yep Sarah 07:06 Yeah. Dave 07:06 Like this is what I need. I need serious topics taken down 12 pegs Tara 07:10 Yes. Dave 07:11 And everybody's a villain who you want to be a villain and like Tara 07:13 Mm-hmm. Dave 07:14 just give it to me right now, please. Tara 07:16 You know, I would love to go a day without thinking about AI or being told about AI, but like this is the show I want to tackle it. This is the team I want to tackle it versus the season premiere of fucking Abbott Elementary. Dave 07:28 Yeah. Tara 07:28 Like why? Why? Dave 07:31 Could we just talk about the AI just for a moment? Because that was one of the things about the tech. I was like, mm-hmm, I don't know about this one Tara 07:37 You sure? Dave 07:38 So I get the feeling that the tech villain, the guy that exposes himself to the female lead at the, you know, that's the the genesis of her story, he is sort of presented as Zuckerbergian. Tara 07:45 Will Brill. Guest 07:46 Mm-hmm. Tara 07:46 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He's in a hoodie. Dave 07:53 Yeah. Tara 07:53 He looks like shit. Guest 07:54 Right, right. Dave 07:54 He looks like shit. Yeah. He has developed the world's most advanced AI chatbot, a Siri MetaMuse sort of thing. Daisy has a adult mode, a sexy mode, which I don't think any of these companies would do. Guest 08:07 Mm Dave 08:09 Like Elon Musk Musk accepted. I think his one actually has dirty dirty vision or something like that Guest 08:14 Oh it does. Yeah. Dave 08:16 in Nazi vision and all the other modes they have. Guest 08:19 He's a free speech warrior, Dave, you know. Dave 08:21 That isn't the character here. This isn't a must character. So to me he was Zuckerberg and that that app, that part of the app, didn't Tara 08:31 Dave, what if I were to tell you that as we're recording this yesterday, there was a story on Wired. Dave 08:35 Yeah. Guest 08:37 Yeah Tara 08:37 I got my Muse AI agent to sext me, and Meta says that's totally fine. Dave 08:42 Hmm. Sarah 08:42 Yeah Dave 08:43 I doubt it. Tara 08:43 What do you mean it's true? Dave 08:45 No, no, no. I just mean I really doubt that is the true company line on that because that's just bad bad optics for them. I would say keep keep tabs on that in the coming days. Guest 08:54 I mean, it's bad optics, but it's such good money. Dave 08:58 Yeah, yeah. Guest 08:59 And it seems like when they're forced to choose between those two things The money usually wins. Dave 09:04 Yeah, I agree, I just Guest 09:05 Because when you have that much money, you can buy the optics. Just look at the design of Muse. How could it ever sex? It's so cute, Dave. Tara 09:13 It is so cute, unfortunately. Guest 09:15 Unfortunately Dave 09:16 Okay, I was thinking like they're gonna get so much brad Sarah 09:16 Yeah Guest 09:16 it is. Dave 09:18 bad press that it would affect their bottom line, but I take your point. Yeah. Guest 09:22 Mm-hmm. I'd love for that to be true though. Dave 09:24 Mm-hmm. Sarah 09:24 Yeah. Dave 09:24 Yeah. Giving him too much credit, perhaps. Tara 09:28 The series-wide stakes in The Good Wife and the The Good Fight, which Cupertino is most similar to in The King's Over, they typically revolved around Illinois state politics. Should there have been an intermediate step between that and scofflaw tech companies or are we fine with this escalation? Margaret? Guest 09:45 I don't know that there should have been. I don't know that there needed to be Tara 09:48 Mm-hmm. Guest 09:49 But I love the Illinois politics stuff. I love the collision of things in the good way. And I would love for there to be again like that like a B plot world. Here, a little that's a little bit easier to reach. However, again, I trust the kings. Which is such a boring thing to say, but like I gotta tell you guys I was up at like five this morning to get on a plane flying with two children. I've been away at my mean father-in-law's house all weekend. This was not a good weekend for me to be here Tara 10:18 Mm-hmm. Guest 10:19 This is a bad weekend. And I couldn't resist it because I was like, oh, but it's the New King's show. Dave 10:23 Yeah. Sarah 10:24 Mm-hmm Guest 10:25 I have to do it. Dave 10:26 What you're talking about as like something happening on another level, once you get further into the series, there is somebody who comes into the picture that seems like they're going to be sort of a high-level agent of chaos, sort of in the tech Guest 10:41 Yeah Dave 10:42 meets real housewives sort of universe. Tara 10:45 Yes, yes, yes. Guest 10:45 Let's be real, I'm thinking it through and it's like, what do I actually need? Dave 10:45 Yeah. Guest 10:48 I just need there to be a plausible reason for Alan Cummings, Eli Gold to show up on this show. Tara 10:53 Sure, sure. Sarah 10:54 Mm-hmm. Guest 10:55 Regularly. Tara 10:56 Mm-hmm. Guest 10:56 Of course you could be doing PR for Daisy AI. Dave 10:59 Yeah. Sarah 10:59 Or Marissa, although we basically have Marissa Guest 11:01 Oh. Dave 11:02 Yep. Sarah 11:02 Gold in uh Guest 11:03 We do. Sarah 11:04 yes, in Ellis Diller form. I f think that it will be pretty easy to loop state and federal politics into the storylines here Tara 11:14 Yeah. Sarah 11:15 because of, you know, stories about lack of oversight and what if quote character decides to hack the football. And, you know, there is an episode coming where a character says basically that they don't think of these companies as companies, but countries, so I think it's probably a pretty easy jumping off point to those kinds of not even B plots, but sort of like I don't think it's just going to be the one note Guest 11:42 Mm-hmm. Sarah 11:42 and the the one pitch Dave 11:44 Yeah, the spheres of Guest 11:45 Yeah. Dave 11:45 influence. Tara 11:46 Yeah. Dave 11:46 Yeah. Guest 11:46 You guys are making me feel weirdly good about the way Dave 11:46 Mm-hmm. Sarah 11:47 Yeah. Guest 11:49 um big tech controls all aspects of modern life. You know, you're right. Sarah 11:53 Mm-hmm. Guest 11:54 For for the Kings, that really gives them such a broad canvas. Tara 11:55 Mm-hmm. Guest 11:57 And I'm I was underestimating that. Tara 11:58 Yeah. Sarah 11:59 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's like Black Mirror, but you know, network and kinglike. Guest 12:02 But not bad. Tara 12:04 Mike Coulter is someone I don't think has shown us a giant dramatic range over the year. How do we think he's doing as Michael? Dave, why don't you go first? Dave 12:12 He's fine. He just has to be confident and savvy at times and has to make mistakes some other times. Like I just not a large lift. And he's a large mech guy, so he can handle it. He's like he's a salve for all the tech bros, right? Tara 12:27 Mm-hmm. Dave 12:27 In this show, he is the closest thing so far. We have to an honest guy. I mean, the female lead is much more down to earth. He's a conservative Midwestern and they play off each other really well. And I don't think We need a ton from him Tara 12:43 Mm-hmm. Dave 12:43 to make it work, and that's great Tara 12:45 Yeah Dave 12:46 because I think shows like this Sort of like Law and Order, where you want just a little bit of their personal lives, but not too much. You want the rest of the show to be the focus. Guest 12:55 Yeah. Tara 12:56 Yes. Dave 12:57 And I think that's what they're doing. And I think that's what he's doing. Tara 13:00 Yeah Dave 13:00 So good. Yeah. Good. Tara 13:01 It's hard to tell in the early going because he does have a father who's like a Johnny Cochran type, like a celebrity lawyer Dave 13:07 Mm-hmm. Tara 13:08 who Michael is trying to get out from under his shadow. Dave 13:11 By the way, played by Terminator 2's Joe Martin. Tara 13:14 Played by Joe Morton, which I feel like Sarah 13:15 No. Tara 13:17 this is a little unfair to Coulter, because I also think he's fine and he's good in the part, but like he's he is not a Sarah 13:17 Sure. Tara 13:24 Charisma match for Joe Morton, in my view. Sarah, what did you think of the two of them? Sarah 13:29 Yeah, I think this needs to be just a just a pinch of this story and of this emotion underpinning things. Like now that you've suggested it, I don't think we need flashbacks. Just stick with what you do well, stay in the present, and don't necessarily give these two a buffet of scenery and see who's gonna make short work of it first, cause my Tara 13:53 Yeah. Sarah 13:54 culture is gonna be overmatched, I agree. I I hope I'm wrong, but d yeah, don't go there. Tara 14:00 Mm-hmm. Dave 14:01 Yeah, but I think like the stuff he has to play off. Like there is a lot of farcical elements to the first few episodes that that I forgot that they engage in. Like there's this whole conceit that they got this office on the cheap because you know somebody knows a guy who knows a guy, but it's only half done, only the reception's done, so they have to sort of fake the rest of The office with a lot of people just walking around saying rhubarb, rhubarb, a speaker with typing noises in the background, all that sort of stuff. Tara 14:26 Yep. Guest 14:27 Mm-hmm. Sarah 14:29 It's really good. Dave 14:30 And he's good at that. Like he's good at those moments where he has to pretend, Oh yeah, it's all going swimmingly. Guest 14:36 Mm-hmm. Dave 14:36 I think he's fine here. I think he he fits the bill. Guest 14:38 He's a limited performer, but I think he's well suited to the part that he's being asked to play here. where they are not asking him to do anything he's not excellent at. I trust them to sort of keep going with that. Because I feel like they've had other limited performers in their roster Tara 14:55 Yes. Guest 14:55 who have been deployed with similar savvy. Tara 14:59 Yes Guest 14:59 And so I'm I'm optimistic. Sarah 14:59 Uh-huh. Guest 15:01 And similarly, you know, he worked on evil, the parts of it that weren't too scary for me to watch. Tara 15:05 Mm-hmm. Again, the show, not the concept. Olivia, I think, is probably gonna be a typical wish fulfillment TV Christian conservative in that she loves the Lord and has no related political beliefs that we ever hear about, probably. In the classic West Wing mold. But Sarah, I uh blew your mind yesterday by reminding you that you have seen this lady before. Sarah 15:28 Oh my gosh, yes. She was in the film in The Chair, the the reality show The Chair. Tara 15:35 I'm stars Sarah 15:36 Much beloved by me, but not in the um horrific Shane movie. She was in the nice Anna movie. And she was good. And once you pointed it out to me, it was like, oh, of course, that's obviously her. But I think I had gigged her, and this is where my head is. As uh and I was the only one who watched Dirty John 2 the Betty Broader Rickening, but she played Linda Colkonaugh in that. And uh she was very good in a sort of limited role and it's it's good to see that she got this big network showcase from people who really know how to make network shows that push it. So Tara 16:15 Mm-hmm. Sarah 16:16 good for her. Guest 16:17 They were like, yep, we did all the setup in the first episode and now we're mostly just going right into the procedural beat. Sarah 16:23 Mm-hmm. Guest 16:23 I was like, oh thank God Sarah 16:24 Yep Guest 16:24 Because the first episode is very, very, very piloty. And like it's like setting all the things up, doing all the stuff, exposition dumping. Although again, because it's the kings, all of that's being done with more a lawn, both verbal and visual than you would normally see. Sarah 16:37 No Guest 16:38 And in the second one they're jumping straight into things, which I really appreciate. Sarah 16:39 , Guest 16:41 I am very excited it sounds like the future episodes continue to build And that's great. And even in the first episode you get those like bits of Kinsey and whimsy. Like we talked about the office that is being built piecemeal. Love it. Live it. Can't wait to keep watching it. My other favorite thing is the way that like every minor character who encounters Mike Coulter uh wants to tell him about their um their new their their startup Tara 17:05 Yeah, yeah. Guest 17:05 and and get him in as an investor. Sarah 17:06 Mm-hmm. Guest 17:08 And I just think that Lego that's a bit with legs. I'm excited to see that continue to play out. Sarah 17:12 Mm-hmm. The judge ship, hey, it's that guy, work fair program. Guest 17:17 Yeah. Dave 17:17 Yeah. Sarah 17:18 Always a pleasure. Guest 17:18 Yeah. Tara 17:19 Mm-hmm. Guest 17:20 Just great to see so many of our um fine Broadway actors being given Sarah 17:24 Mm-hmm. Guest 17:24 paying work between their stage games. It's just always a thrill. I hope they find Laura Binanti apart here. I just the list the list goes on and on, and I don't need to give it to the Kings because their list is better than mine. Clips 17:40 Got a lot of shows. It's a great time for shows. Dave 17:44 Alright, it is time to go around the dial first up Tara. Tara we got Tara 17:48 Well, I watched below. When Calvin Penny was a kid, the government of Newfoundland resettled him and his family to a more populous part of the province. with disastrous consequences possibly caused by an ocean cryptid. Forty years later, and now played by Josh Hartnett, Calvin is collecting Collecting and selling icebergs to a local vodka distillery, hatching entrepreneurial plans he can't get his far-flung kids to return from Montreal and Alberta to join him on. And resisting talk of uh another resettlement. When one of the icebergs he grabs turns out to be not pure ice, but essentially a giant sea bugger, his Scientist friend Fonda Howander I missed that that was her name until I looked it up on IMDb, played by Mackenzie Davis. Catastrophe has befallen another local, partly because of his own recklessness, but also partly because of a Kraken. Unclear. I admire the decision to set a show in New Newfoundland, a province I think most Americans couldn't find on a map and before Adam Grosswirth goes to the Discord to say it, Yes I know about Come From Away. And even many Canadians often forget about Newfoundland as well But it is loaded with rugged natural beauty they are actually shooting there. It has a very distinctive accent that Josh Hartnett seems to have worked very hard to learn, although I would need an actual native to comment on how close he got. I did spend most of the first episode thinking it seemed like sci-fi channel fair, meaning the mix of earnest human drama and goosy kills was wildly out of whack. for budgetary reasons, but that episode did end on a satisfyingly gross note. So I will watch at least one more to see if it picks up. Stand by to find out. Dave, you watched this as well. What did you think of blue? Dave 19:27 It moved along, but it needed something halfway through the first episode. Tara 19:31 Yeah. Dave 19:31 You know, those first moments where you see the waves as Bruce the Shark is going through the ocean, but you actually don't know like it's we're still in that for so much of the first episode Tara 19:40 Yeah. Dave 19:41 and really could have just sped that along. Tara 19:43 Mm-hmm. Dave 19:44 But otherwise, yeah, the ending was good, so we'll give it another episode and see where it takes us. Tara 19:48 Yeah, there's only six, so it's not a Dave 19:50 Mm-hmm. Tara 19:51 it's not a huge commitment to uh Dave 19:52 Yep. Tara 19:53 continue checking it out. Dave 19:54 Mm-hmm. Tara 19:55 For my plug, I wrote a post about the errand sorconisms of the social reckoning, giving of course, in terms of Sorkinism, credit to Kevin T. Porter and his Sorkinisms series of Supercuts. Adding to the œuvres, so it's not up yet, but I will link my contributor page at GQ in the show notes and you can uh you know keep refreshing that until it shows up. Dave 20:20 There's so many people right now just at their computer foregoing dinner. Yeah. All right, Margaret, what have you been watching lately? People need to know about. Guest 20:29 So what I've been watching lately is I have been continuing my growth into my final form, which is like I've become the Bravo girly I was always meant to be. Like this is this is one of the many things I knew was like lying latent inside of me, and I just needed the right person to unlock it. It turns out my boyfriend is a big Bravo girly. And When the giant scandal went down on Summer House, it happened with like exactly enough time that if we started watching Summerhouse, we could probably like get current by the time the finales were airing. So that is what we did. And we have since moved on to Southern Charm. And guys, I don't know if you've watched that show, but those people are terrible. Tara 21:11 Oh, you don't say Sarah 21:12 What? Guest 21:13 They are very bad people, but I'm very pleased to be really read in on them Sarah 21:16 Huh Guest 21:18 because Craig from Southern Charm just got cast on the upcoming season of celebrity US traders. I now am informed enough to be able to anticipate exactly what a shit show that's going to be. And I really can't wait. The other thing that I would tell you is that if you're wondering, is it triggering to watch seasons of television set both during the pandemic and during woke one, particularly in Charleston, South Carolina. I'm gonna tell you, yeah Tara 21:49 Yeah, yeah. Guest 21:49 It really Dave 21:50 Yeah. Guest 21:50 is. It is wild. Sarah 21:51 Yeah Guest 21:52 It is wild to see how hard they listened and learned and then how quickly they stopped. Sarah 21:59 Yeah Guest 22:00 How how rapidly they reverted to finding being called racist substantially worse than any amount of racist behavior one could perpetrate. Tara 22:09 Yeah. Guest 22:10 So it is a wild ride and I'm enjoying it. And if you guys want to weigh in on uh where our Bravo journey should take us next, I would be interested in what the extra hot great community has to say. Tara 22:21 Oh, they will tell you. Guest 22:22 That said, we are going to be pausing on that shortly because some really important things are about to drop on Netflix in this week as we tape. Namely, I think tomorrow, Love is Blind Boston is coming to uh the channel, and as a Bostonian, I am incredibly invested in this. Tara 22:39 Of course Guest 22:40 As a Bostonian and a and a and a blind lover. Dave 22:44 What is going to be the difference between Love is Blind and Love is Blind Boston. What's Boston gonna bring to the mix? Tara 22:51 Great question. Dave 22:51 What Bostonian attribute can we look forward to? Tara 22:54 Here's what I can tell you from watching many seasons of Married at First Sight and many seasons of Love as First. Blind. Everyone in the first episode is gonna be like, it's terrible to date here. Like, your town is not different than any other town. Guest 23:03 Yeah. Tara 23:05 Boston, you're the same as Wilmington, Delaware. Dave 23:07 Yeah Tara 23:07 Anyway, go on, Margaret. Guest 23:09 So I will say, speaking of someone who when Married at First Sight was filming in Boston, I was dating two guys and each of them separately got approached by producers to appear on Married at First Sight. Tara 23:21 Love this part of your lore, by the way. Go on. Guest 23:24 A a baby blue baby blue three piece vintage suit in a Starbucks on a on a Tuesday at like ten in the morning Sarah 23:31 Oh Tara 23:31 Uh-huh. Guest 23:31 and the other Sarah 23:31 dear Guest 23:32 because um he was a historical reenactment baseball player. So I have a type and And so do these shows. And I'm just gonna say, there's a beekeeper on here, and he is really giving me the um Sarah 23:42 Oh Tara 23:45 Great Guest 23:48 the the deranged grad student energy that that is my particular kryptonite in Boston. Dave 23:54 Margaret, you could be describing the next season of American horror story, frankly. Guest 23:58 Uh Dave, trust me, as someone who lived my dating life, I'm well aware. Sarah 24:03 Yeah. Guest 24:05 Um, so I'm very excited to see him. I feel like the vast majority of these people will not be from Boston proper. Tara 24:11 Yeah Guest 24:12 So I'm excited to see which Dave 24:12 Yeah Guest 24:14 suburbs or outlying areas they're from. I feel like we're gonna get a lot of South Shore people I'm curious if they were able to get anybody with a Boston accent, you know, because that's increasingly rare. Like that's not a that's not an everyday thing. It's like if you were doing Love is Blind New York, you wouldn't have people being like, yay, I'm walking here unless you were really specifically casting for it. Tara 24:34 Right. Guest 24:34 So I think they've got to have that, but I don't know exactly where it's coming from. And I am ex Excited by the fact that I know from friend of the show, Kathryn Van Arendonk, that the Boston Knights Spot Capo makes an appearance on here, which is important because that was also a focal point of a lot of drama. Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Tara 24:56 Whoa, okay. Guest 24:57 And so from what I'm seeing there could be a crossover. There won't be, but I can imagine there could be. Like maybe the people are gonna get into a fight while the weather girl from Real Housewives of Rhode Island's husband performs his Frank Sinatra impersonation shtick. Dave 25:14 Wow. Guest 25:14 And like I just think that would be important Dave 25:16 Can we work uh Affleck and Damon into this somehow? Really just close the loop on Boston? Guest 25:22 If they can get Affleck and Damon to uh to come on to host the finale or make an appearance Netflix has a lot more money than I would have thought, and I look forward to seeing the uh slate of Ben Affleck directed films Dave 25:36 Yeah. Guest 25:36 they will also be airing following. Dave 25:39 I gather they don't ever leave the studio for a Love is Blind because I know they're like in little fly pods and they get turned into human flies and all that kind of stuff. But if they did, I think Affleck and Damon are cameoing as the historical tours of whatever, Freedom Trail and that kind of stuff. Guest 25:56 No, they they do go out of the pods. Tara 25:58 They do. Dave 25:58 Oh, okay. Guest 25:58 They're in the pods for a little while. There's pod time. Then they send them to like Dave 26:01 Okay. Guest 26:02 Cancun. Dave 26:02 Mm-hmm. Guest 26:03 Where they all fight with each other Tara 26:05 Mm-hmm. Guest 26:05 and then they put them in Boston in like a random apartment building where they all live together with their exes. Um, because it's about love, Dave. Uh it's about fostering love. Dave 26:15 Yeah. Guest 26:15 Yeah. Sarah 26:15 There's just gonna be a lot of shiplap and lobster decor Guest 26:20 Mm-hmm. Sarah 26:21 in the early going Guest 26:21 Yes, for sure. Sarah 26:22 is my prediction. Guest 26:23 There there really will be, and uh I can't wait to see it And then I guess just to give a completely different flavor to my life, another media connected friend who will remain unnamed for obvious reasons has screeners for Netflix's upcoming Pride and Prejudice. Tara 26:38 Oh Guest 26:39 And I have been invited over to her place to watch them. Tara 26:42 exciting Guest 26:42 And I am outrageously excited because I am deep in my Austin girly shit. And if programming related to that has any interest to you, you should definitely go to my website, mhwillison.com, and sign up for my newsletter because if this adaptation is good The chances that I'm going to do some kind of programming related to it is high. And given that it is written by Dolly Alderton, who's a very experienced and funny TV writer, I'm optimistic for where it goes. So if that feels like something you would really want to get into the weeds with someone about, I'm your girl and that's my sight. So come and find me. Tara 27:20 I'm just telling Dave because I know hits from the part of the internet he doesn't read. River Cartwright from Slow Horses plays Mr. Darcy Dave 27:27 Yeah, all right, I can Tara 27:27 in this one. Guest 27:29 Oh, that's some also importantly, Mr. Dave 27:29 see that Guest 27:31 Sir Sharonin, right? Tara 27:32 Yes. Guest 27:33 Ugh. I've just started watching Slow Horses because I'm very behind the times. And so I'm also very excited to hear that. Tara 27:40 Yeah. Guest 27:41 He doesn't photograph well, but he's very attractive in motion. Tara 27:44 Yeah. Well, Catherine, I believe, wrote a post saying, you are not Sarah 27:46 Yeah. Tara 27:50 ri you know, whatever his actual name is, Jack Loden, you are not a Darcy, you are a Bingley. So I guess we'll all find out if she was right. Guest 27:57 I do think there's something in that. Yeah, I'm excited to see. Dave 28:04 All right, Sarah D. Bunting, what do you got? Sarah 28:07 I've got Killberry Print. This is the documentary executive produced by Rachel Maddow and like a lot of other people, but she's the name that gets mentioned in the coverage, and that's uh where a lot of people stop listening to the coverage. This is about the mortal struggle between a rural Oklahoma County's newspaper, the Family Business McCurtain County Gazette, and that county's seemingly corrupt and or inept Sheriff's Department. I dimly remembered this story blowing up when it first did a few years ago. It blew up as big as it did, I think, because it was speaking to profound anxiety on the part of journalists and of Those of us civilians who still want to consider newspapers a public trust, about the death of print, the throttling of local journalism by national syndicates, and AI and the willingness and usual ability of law enforcement to disappear reporting on their own malfeasance. None of these anxieties has receded even a jot in the months and years since that scandal broke. But does that mean Kilberry Print is per se worth watching? Or is it an 86 minute exercise in congratulating itself and its audience on its right thinking about these issues I don't think it's that second thing. Or at least it's not only or off-puttingly that second thing. It does have a side So to say, it wants the viewer to be on it, and it does overstep at least once in that regard, but I've always had an issue with reviews of documentaries. that confuse the words documentary and transcript and expect perfect objectivity to accord with compelling narrative or expect perfect objectivity at all. This is not a perfect documentary or an objective one, but it is under 90 minutes. It has a lot of soothing print news process up top that I enjoyed, but I'm also the one who practically registered all the presidents men as an emotional support animal during the pandemic, so that's just me. And it is telling a particular story in a way that underlines that it's universal here in the twenty twenties, that print is still really struggling. that law enforcement will go to almost any lengths to cover up perceived malfeasance, instead of just being less shitty and saying sorry, that there's a too high price to pay for standing your ground as a reporter sometimes, etcetera, and so on. It is meta commentary, it is not especially cheery, but I do recommend it. And I reviewed it for best evidence I will be talking about it more in depth with my esteemed colleagues Mari and Sarah at the Crime Scene Podcast. Links to both of those are in the show notes. Tara 30:49 Dave, before you get into yours, I just want to correct myself. Catherine didn't write the piece about why Jack Loden is Darcy. It was Jackson McHenry, and we'll link it in the show notes. Dave 30:57 Kilberry Print, Paul Hollywood Nigella Sarah 31:01 Mm-hmm. Dave 31:02 N Lawson, Noel Fielding. Hmm. Well, you think about that. Let's briefly disc Guest 31:08 I know who I'm burying. Dave 31:11 Briefly discuss Audience Week? Is that what they were calling it? And Great British Bake Off Tara 31:15 Yeah Dave 31:16 this last episode. Look, I 'm not gonna go into a long tirade, but if you have a segment called the Technical where the point of the technical is to see how well you compare to both the source technical and then everybody else's in order to judge them. You can't just change it so the technical is make whatever you want with a bowl of ingredients. That's not the way it works. You can do that separately. But you can't replace the technical with that shit. Apples to apples, please, not apples to oranges. Tara 31:43 Yes, that's the whole point of the technical. Dave 31:45 Anyways, all right, here's what's coming up on Friday on Extra Extra Hawk Great. We're gonna be talking about season two of the lowdown as available to club members if you're not. You can go to extrahotgreat. com/slash club. You can join on Patreon and get the whole suite of perks. Or if you prefer Apple Podcasts, you can join there, but only the audio perks there. And then come back here one week's time, EHGprime We're going to be talking about Crystal Lake, the Friday the 13th prequel series, reimagining with Mr. Dan Rogee. It is time for the extra Hunter Cannon presenting this week as Margaret. Guest 32:29 This is such an honor and also a terror. I'm a longtime listener. And this is my first time assembling a submission myself. And so I gave myself an easy pitch because there's only one good wife episode in the canon currently, a strong one, but it was not favorite episode that I had in mind and I was like, okay, if they have not done the thicky trick episode, as I think of it, somebody's gotta pitch it and that person should clearly be me. So I am bringing to the canon. The good wife, season five, episode eleven, Goliath and David The reason I felt this episode to be a strong contender for the canon is because I feel it is a stellar example Of what the good wife does best on just like an average week, which is that it is a perfect legal procedural that is just about 25% better than you imagine it would be or than it ever needs to be I'm just gonna go through all the things it does that are sort of standard legal procedural things that they just do better than everyone else. So number one, they rip from the headlines better. When you are re-watching this show, which I did a couple of years ago, you get to go down this rabbit hole of old scandals that you had completely forgotten existed. For example, listeners, you're a Cluden bunch, you're a culturally engaged crew. Do you remember that in around 2013 there was a big fuss? Because original songwriters were suing Glee for stealing covers of their songs. For example, Jonathan Colton covering Baby Got Back, stolen by Glee. We can hear a little bit of Baby Got Back, the original. Clips 34:10 I like big buttons and I cannot lie. You other brothers can't deny. Guest 34:15 Now let's hear Jonathan's. That's clip two Clips 34:18 When a girl walks through with a nitty-bitty wrist and a round thing in your face. Guest 34:24 And let's hear clip three, which is Glee's version, presented as though it is an original arrangement Dave 34:33 Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Guest 34:34 And what they did is they just took a completely unique arrangement Jonathan Colton had created for this rap song. And wholesale recreated it. And because copyright works the way copyright works, which is mostly in favor of rich people, there was no problem with it and nothing happened to Glee because of it. Except the kings were on it. The Kings were on it and they said this is a weird legal situation that we are gonna rip from the headlines and turn into an episode starring Matthew Lillard. Where, surprise The band at Alicia and Carrie's New Law Firm's Christmas party has a legal complaint, and would you know it? They have taken a song by Rebel Kane called Ficky Trick, a clip of which you can hear here. Clips 35:15 Never five status, give me more cash out, don't be late. Guest 35:20 And created a completely original soft rock arrangement of it Clips 35:24 Waiting on the section eight. Sometimes y'all didn't make me sick, but she ain't nothing but a tricky trick. Guest 35:32 Which has subsequently become a song on hit TV show Drama Camp, which you can hear covering it in six. Clips 35:42 She ain't having that Raised in the hood, that don't five or less She kinda a bad boy, I must admit, but she ain't nothing gonna pick your trip Guest 35:53 So everything about this delights me. I love the nicheness of what they've decided to focus on I love the exactness that they have brought to the task ahead of them. I love the pitch perfect satire. Because this is an audio rather than a visual podcast. You cannot see the clips of the drama camp kids gleeing it up as they sing this song, but you'll watch it and you'll be like, wow, remember when this show was like beloved and critically acclaimed? Isn't it wild that that was the case This is something the Good Wife consistently does well and does great here, which is that when they decide to satirize something, like they nail it, for example, this incredible answer they give to the character I Deem Fryand Furfee for the deep emotional meaning intended by this soft rock cover of Thicky Trick. Clips 36:44 You created the show Drama Camp, so this scene mattered to you. Very much. Like many young men trying to find their identity, I was bullied as a kid. So I wanted to create a show that had kids moving beyond the hate. And you I mean That's why you covered uh Dickie Trick this way. Mm-hmm. Yes. I wanted to show how two cultures needed each other. Guest 37:12 So just yeah, how two cultures needed each other. It's just so exactly the way people talked about glee when it was on the air that it really again filled me with glee. As someone who've hated that show from the start. That is one thing that they do well that I feel we should all be celebrating. They rip from the headlines better than everyone else. Two, they do guest stars better than everybody else. else. And for this, I just want to point to the stellar performance from Matthew Lillard as clueless musician Roby Canton. This particular scene really, I feel, demonstrates his what he's bringing to the role. Clips 37:49 No, the question, Your Honor, is one of theft. All derivatives. There's no theft here Again, Mrs. Floric is trying to. If it was no theft, then why is the plaintiff trying to change the subject? It's not changing the subject to insist on a derivative copyright. Can I get a new chair? Mine squeaks. Another chair for Mr. Carrington Guest 38:07 He has so many little lines like that throughout the episode, and his delivery on all of them is absolutely perfect. And this is one thing that I feel the Kings consistently do well is they do create these minor characters that give guest actors a real opportunity to be stars and exist in such a way that when they are brought back later You're like, oh my god, it's Roby. He's back. He comes back on the good fight. Also a great episode. So really strong work from him, really strong work writing those characters. And they also know how to use a guest star for a pure punchline In this episode, Eli is losing his mind because the hot ethics commissioner who has been hired to uh commission the ethics of Alicia's unethical husband, Peter, is three and a half months pregnant with a baby named Peter after her after the father, who is quote unquote a private citizen she won't identify This leads Eli to hire Calinda to find out who the father is, and they do a crazy amount of sleuthing, and they come up with a really plausible answer, and it's incorrect. And at the very end of the episode, we get a throwaway bit where one, we find out the real scandal that Peter is going to be indicted for is nothing to do with impregnating his ethics commissioner. and everything to do with the fact that maybe he stole the election he just won for governor. And then two, we get to meet the actual father of Marilyn's baby. And she says, I've talked to the father, he's willing to come, and then Peter Bogdanovich comes out. He says Hi, Peter Bogdanovich. Dave 39:35 It was so good. I forgot about that Guest 39:37 So good. Dave 39:38 watch again. Guest 39:39 And it's just one of those things where it's like I had also completely forgotten about this part. Sarah 39:40 Don't be tail. Guest 39:44 And it showed up and I was like, oh my god, right. This is what makes the king so inspired because they would think, who's the funniest Peter who could possibly be the father of Marilyn's baby? And they would go out and they would hire Peter Bogdanovich to show up for one line. It would be exactly the right line. The next thing they do better than anybody else is romantic laced infighting. So for that, we have the Starcross lovers of the first half of the series, Alicia and Will, who are at this point greatly at odds with one another. Will has weasled his way into being co-counsel, opposing Alicia in this case of Goliath versus David, and he is using every trick he knows to stumble her. Clips 40:25 He's trying to play you. You're doing what he wants. You're being played. He wants you to think how low it is of him, so don't You're right Guest 40:36 And that leads Alicia to retaliate in a really spectacular and brilliant way. Clips 40:43 So you decided to change? Yep. Into what I wore the night you banged me the first time. It's pretty low of you. I know. I wasn't so discriminating back then. Guest 40:57 Just the delivery of all of that, the vibes we're getting from it, the way the two of them really get off on sort of hating each other but also definitely wanting to fuck each other really works for me and it was such a strong part of the show. I feel like so many long running shows try to get this kind of will they won't they energy in there and don't do it as well And then finally, the thing that I would want to celebrate them for is just being brave enough to get into the really, really weedy legal weeds and like know they have the ability to help us follow them there. So this song, it you get all the different twists that one would expect, form-wise, from a legal procedural. But the twists are things like Oh, they thought they had the derivative copyright rights, which would give them the right to to make changes to the song that would then be copyright protected, but actually they just got a different license. Because their doofus manager, who's also the owner of a bowling alley, just was like, whatever. And they'll bring you through that kind of stuff. And they know how to explain it well. They know to have Matthew Lillard there to play an idiot, but it doesn't feel like you're being talked down to as it might in a Sorkin show. They know to have bickering musicologists to spice things up. Clips 42:11 And the other gentleman said that Changing the tune was a transformation of actual content. the other thing is that the other thing is that the other thing is that the other thing is that the other thing is that the other thing is that the other thing is that the other thing is that the other thing is The other gentleman isn't very well respected in his field. I'll give it up, Liv. Bite me, Douglas. Guest 42:21 Just throwing it in there. And in the end, they also know exactly how to land it. Which is Jonathan Coolden proved this against them because as somebody who used to have to deal with copyright law professionally Copyright law is really, really, really fungible, and therefore it is always going to go to the person with the most money, unless you find evidence of real theft. Clips 42:44 I don't get it. But it's balls. Balls. Ball it's bow bowling. It's like, oh my god, it's bowling balls. We recorded it at Murray's work. And before they could re-record the tracks, DramaCamp's engineers just recycled yours. I mean, I don't care what anyone says. That's theft. That's like breaking into my house and stealing my stuff kind of theft. Guest 43:04 And with this Triumphantly, the boys from the band are able to get a settlement out of the big bad drama club TV Corporation, and everyone gets to go home happy, except Eli, who has a much bigger problem facing him next week And that is why I felt this episode of the good wife was worthy of the canon. Thank you for listening to my presentation. Tara 43:26 Thank you, Margaret. Sarah, why don't you start? Sarah 43:29 Should it please the court? Thank you so much for bringing this into this episode. One of my criteria for whether an episode is canon worthy is do I want to keep going afterward uh at the end of it, do I want to just like loop into episode twelve of this season and fucking eh right, I did These are such good points. I love that framework that you used for this presentation because they really do do like 25 to 40 percent more than you have any reasonable right to expect from a network procedural, especially on this network, which is like please pipe the programming into my 10 year Guest 44:07 Yeah Sarah 44:07 level. So that I think that's absolutely true. I think the level, especially by season five, that you could expect of guest stars like Guest 44:16 Mm-hmm. Sarah 44:17 I mean, you have Lillard, you have Bogdanovich, you have his fellow Sopranos castmate, Uncle June, as the judge, who at one point is like, I have no idea what either of you is doing, but let's shut up, which Occasionally, Johnny Sack from The Sopranos still gets a line like that on Law and Order SVU, and it's always a delight every time. My canon presentations often focus on like why this is both typical of this show and better than like among the best of this show. I think your presentation managed to highlight both at the same time that there's a bunch of good comeback lines that I think I thought that will, spoiler, was already dead by this point in the show. Guest 45:00 Oh Sarah 45:01 So when he appeared, I was like, oh. Word. I've always had a crush on this actor. Guest 45:07 same Sarah 45:08 His game recognizing game smirk after she drops that line on him and then just like walks off and she's like, oh I wasn't so discriminating back then. And he's like, I hate you. I would tear that outfit off you with my teeth right now. Guest 45:23 Yeah, yeah. Sarah 45:23 Good for you. Like, I admit defeat in this in this round, but also that he loves it. He loves hating her. Guest 45:31 Mm-hmm. Sarah 45:31 This is the Juliana Margalise has decent wigs that they're not trying to do weird shit with bangs era. Guest 45:37 Mm-hmm. Sarah 45:38 That's a plus. Guest 45:38 Mm-hmm. Big Sarah 45:40 in its favor, but I think that your presentation is so well thought out and reasoned that they really do color Guest 45:40 plus Sarah 45:47 to the edges of what they're satirizing. They don't half ass any of the sort of like changes to like the Greeking or Gleaking, I guess in this case, of of franchise names and stuff like that. Like Chum Hum was like so insane, but also like really far off from the original. Guest 46:03 Yeah Sarah 46:06 Uh and they find a way with the sort of legal jazz, as uh as Roby puts it reparte. It's not necessarily realistic, but it is how a civilian can follow them into the weeds that you mentioned and feel like We're all learning something, but it's not Sorkiny and women aren't always being explained to. Dave 46:33 Yeah, the progression of the case as they figure out all the things they can't do with the tricky Guest 46:33 Yes. Dave 46:38 trick song is unrealistic from a lawyering point of view. Like they would have thought out those steps. before they got to court. Sarah 46:44 Mm-hmm Dave 46:45 But as a viewer, just like the back and forth tennis match of finding the next thing to gotcha on is very entertaining Tara 46:51 Yeah. Dave 46:52 if it's not realistic. Tara 46:53 Yes. Sarah 46:54 Mm-hmm. And then you have fucking Salieri as Dave 46:57 Yeah, that's right. Sarah 46:57 as basically the plaintiff Guest 46:58 Right. F. Marie Abraham Sarah 46:59 here. So Guest 47:00 really bringing it Sarah 47:01 Mm-hmm. Dave 47:01 Yeah. Sarah 47:02 So yeah, fantastic to revisit this. I've been meaning to do a rewatch of the entire franchise from Jump for a while, and this is my excuse. Thank you very much, Margaret H. Who would like to go next Tara 47:14 I'll go next. This really took me back to a time and culture when Songs could be best selling on iTunes, and Sarah 47:22 Mm-hmm. Hi, dudes! Tara 47:23 that was something people would want to get a piece of Sarah 47:24 I also had that note. I know Tara 47:27 When I saw Kevin Cahun as the female impersonator in the Vegas season of Glow, I thought he was brand new to me, and then so seeing him again, it was like, oh right! He was Schmayan Schmurfee in this episode. doing this weird voice. Guest 47:44 Mm-hmm. Tara 47:44 Yeah, I don't have a ton to add. This is great. I regret that their association with Jonathan Colton through this led to all of the schoolhouse rock interstitials on the good fight that I never liked. Guest 47:56 I know. Sarah 47:58 Yeah, well, yeah Tara 47:58 But you know, I don't wish him ill personally. Uh if it had I just wish it had stopped here Dave 48:02 Oh. So big of you Tara 48:05 Well, I'm just saying, I'm not like mad at him as a person. I just think th those were weak. Dave 48:09 Ninjas, go forth, do my bidding, get Tara 48:11 Yeah. Uh Dave 48:12 him Tara 48:13 but All of this uh I and I also commend your decision to sort of um gloss over the Jason O'Mara parts of the episode, which were the most boring parts. Guest 48:21 Uh they really were. Tara 48:24 I seeing Kalinda and Eli in a scene made me think about all of the celebrities that are in this current season of celebrity traders in the UK that are actual big stars and thinking, goddamn, that poker face of hers, I want to see Archie Punjabi on a season that I might actually watch. Guest 48:40 Oh, for real. Sarah 48:41 Mm-hmm. Tara 48:42 There's just so much to like, and you laid out an excellent case. I can't I cannot improve on it. Dave. Dave 48:47 Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. Just two things absolutely Pride of ownership, you're talking about their elevated take on all the legal stuff that's happening, and you're absolutely right. It's always that one-fifth, one quarter better than the other stuff you're watching on TV, and it makes A huge difference to the watchability of these shows. It's much more popcorn y than you would get on like Guest 49:09 Really, really Sarah 49:09 Mm-hmm. Guest 49:10 does Dave 49:10 Law and Order or something like that. And guest stars, yeah, absolutely. It's always fun. Like when um Uh, Freddie Krueger popped up on uh Cupertino as the judge. I'm like, oh, that's great. What's his name again? Tara 49:23 Oh, Jackie Earl Haley, yes. Dave 49:23 Earl. Tara 49:25 New new Freddie Krueger. Sarah 49:25 Yeah. Dave 49:26 New Freddy Kruger, yes. Tara 49:26 Yes, I forgot about that. Sarah 49:27 Yeah Dave 49:28 And then my last thing I want to say because everybody covered everything else. I really enjoyed the phrase Weedy legal weeds, and we can look forward to employing that in the future. Alright, let's make this official. Serity Bunting. What do you say about Goliath and David for the cannon? Sarah 49:45 Howard, wake up, we're voting, and I'm voting yes. Tara 49:49 Cutting the clips for this is how I realized that Glee 's ripoff of Jonathan Colton not only like obviously ripped him off, but didn't even change the key, that was astonishing to me. So for that reason alone Plus all the others. Uh it's a yes for me, Dave. Dave 50:03 Me too. So The Good Wave, Season 5, Episode 11, Goliath and David. You are hereby inducted into the extra hot great cannon. Clips 50:24 Americans love a winner. Yup and will not tolerate a loser. Nope Dave 50:29 It's time to discover our winner and loser of the week, Sarah has this week's winner. Sarah 50:34 I do. It's Nicholas Cage. In the past week he has, number one, hinted that he may star in a future season of True Detective, which, oh, there could be a future season of True Detective. I actually quite liked the last one, and I hope That that is true. And V declined to sign an AI waiver for Prime Video and implied that that working relationship is now at an end, which Yeah, good for you. This is a guy that I have made fun of for being an extreme weirdo many times in uh the last couple of decades, but I've really liked that Spider Noir. I thought he was good in it. I thought he was perfectly cast. And it's nice to know that he's an extreme weirdo with some integrity. So good for all of us. Dave 51:19 That's what it says on this Guest 51:20 Yeah Dave 51:20 missus card. Sarah 51:21 Mm-hmm, probably. Guest 51:22 I'm glad he's at this place of his gambling deaths where he can be Dave 51:25 Yes. Guest 51:26 where he can be judicious again. Dave 51:27 Uh I hope you didn't have to sell off too many dinosaur skulls. Tara 51:31 Yes. I mean, I think he always had taste. It's just like sometimes he turned it off. You know, like adaptation was in the middle of his making a movie a month phase, too. Guest 51:39 Yeah. Dave 51:40 Yeah. Tara 51:40 So Guest 51:41 Great. Tara 51:41 anyway Sarah 51:41 Mm-hmm Guest 51:42 And again, we spoke about my dating process earlier, so I certainly understand him Tara 51:48 My loser is once again Kelly Clarkson for a new reason this time. I thought about letting it slide, but I c I just couldn't. This has been one of the biggest celebrity gossip stories since it broke She went into a small independent toy store in Brooklyn called Art of Play. She wanted to buy what they're calling like an a automata, automata, I don't know, a little mechanical Guest 52:12 Her name is Molly Tara. Tara 52:14 Thank you. Molly, a bird puppet. She wanted to buy it. They said it was not for sale. She went to Twitter, which likes Strike 2, and decided to yell at this store. Sarah 52:24 Mm-hmm. Tara 52:26 to all of her millions of followers. So now people are phoning the store and like being assholes to the people there. Like, s let Kelly Clarkson have your bird. It wasn't for sale So f you know, for first of all making a stink about it and then doubling down after the store had to like make a statement that was like, um, please stop. She didn't So, you know, if you're in Brooklyn and you have a reason to start your holiday shopping, maybe go to Art of Play, give them some business, because they could probably use it thanks to Guest 52:52 Yeah. Yeah. Tara 52:55 Kelly fucking Clarkson, who between this and the AI thing last week, like, just get a job. You're you're clearly bored. Sarah 53:02 Mm-hmm. Dave 53:02 Well, speaking about making a stink than doubling down, do you know what time it is? Tara 53:06 It's game done. Sarah 53:07 Get out. Dave 53:19 Welcome back everybody. This is the third game time of the season after last week's non-regulation. The scores are Tara One. Sarah One, value guest looking to get on the board today. And today we are playing the host with the most. It comes from Sean, who earns himself a free shirt from our store at thrumethods. com. Sean writes, many television actors have gone on to host game and talk shows, and in today's game time, you'll need to remember who hosts What show? I will give you the show that was hosted by a television actor and the number of episodes that they hosted on. You get three points for guessing outright with only that m amount of information. I can give you a hint. It will be the character's first name from a show they are known for on television. Guess there, two points. If you still don't know it, I can give you that TV show in question. So After that, it's worth one point. But Sean, being the mean man he is, Sarah D. Bunting, has declared only one guess Guest 54:19 Mm-hmm. Sarah 54:20 Uh huh. Dave 54:23 per question. Tara 54:24 Sean Guest 54:25 Mm-hmm. Sean Dave 54:27 Alright, we're not gonna do steel meals today. Tara 54:27 You monster Dave 54:29 We're not gonna do gross worth equalizer challenge zones. I can tell you there are 30 questions, but first let's find out our order. Clips 54:37 We will start with Tara. Dave 54:38 Alright, we're gonna go Tara, Margaret, and then Sarah. As I said, 30 questions gonna play straight through. Are we ready to play the host with the most? Tara 54:48 Yes, yep Sarah 54:48 Yes. Dave 54:48 All right, Tara, this television actor hosted a television show called Celebrity Beef Guest 54:49 As ready as I'll ever be Dave 54:56 for eight episodes. Who is that television actor slash host? Tara 55:01 I need a hint, please. Dave 55:02 They played a character named Frank on a television show. Tara 55:07 Uh, is this host Joel McHale? Dave 55:10 It is Joel McHale from Animal Control. Correct, that is worth two points. Margaret! Guest 55:16 I'm ready, Dave. Dave 55:17 This television actor hosted The Soup for 350 episodes. Who is that television actor? Guest 55:28 Isn't this also Dave 55:28 The soup. Guest 55:29 Joe McHale? Dave 55:30 It is also Joe McHale, yes. Tara 55:31 Oh, there's repeats. Guest 55:32 Thank God. Dave 55:33 Three points. Tara 55:33 Okay, that's good to know. Dave 55:34 Sara D. Guest 55:35 Yeah Dave 55:35 Bunting, here is your first question. This television actor hosted Crime Scene Kitchen for 30 episodes. Who is that actor? Sarah 55:45 Is this also Joel McGale? Dave 55:47 Three points for Sara Sarah 55:48 Oh Dave 55:48 D. Bunting back to Tara. Tara 55:49 Yep. Dave 55:50 This actor hosted the 1% club for 26 episodes. Tara 55:54 Oh boy. Well it had two hosts, but I'm gonna assume this is Joel McHale Dave 55:59 Don't make Tara 55:59 again. Dave 56:00 hail hosted more episodes than Pat and all as well. 30, yes. Correct. All right, back to Margaret. Your television show is House of Villains. Somebody hosted this 21 times. What television actor was it? Guest 56:16 The way Tara 's laughing, I seem like it's Joel McHale again, but I don't wanna guess that. I'm gonna do a h I'll take a hint. Dave 56:23 This television actor was on a TV show where they played Chef David. Guest 56:28 I cannot think of any TV shows I've ever watched with a character named Chef David. So I am not going to take the additional hand and I'm just gonna go ahead and get Stul McHale. Dave 56:37 You are correct, Dom McHale for two points. Back to Sarah. Guest 56:40 Great, great. Dave 56:41 The television show is Lego Masters, in which they were on 65 episodes. Who is that television actor who hosted LEGOmasters? Sarah 56:51 Uh oh my God. Um hint Dave 56:55 They played Job. Sarah 56:58 Mm. Hmm. Yes, they did. And that's the only that name is blotting out every other name of anyone who's ever existed, except Will Arnett's. That's the name, right? Dave 57:09 Ah, you do not follow to my Mikhail Arnett Guest 57:10 You did it Dave 57:12 trap. Well done. That is worth two points, of course, from Russ of Development. Tara. This television actor hosted Jeopardy for 184 episodes. Tara 57:28 My MBalec Dave 57:29 Is correct. Yes, three points. Sarah 57:30 Nice, nice pull. Dave 57:32 To Margaret, this television actor hosted 1,654 episodes of Axis Hollywood. Guest 57:41 I'm gonna be wrong, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess Mario Lopez. Dave 57:44 You are correct. Yes, three point Guest 57:45 Yay! Sarah 57:46 Nice Dave 57:46 AC from Save by the Bell. Nicely done. Sarah D. Bunting. Everybody's live. 12 episodes for this television. Actor/slash talent. Sarah 57:56 How wonderful for them. Hint, please. Dave 57:58 Well, they played Andrew in a TV show. Andrew, scripted TV show. His character was Andrew. Sarah 58:06 Um, yeah, nope hint Dave 58:08 They were Andrew on Big Mouth. So they're the host of everybody's live for 12 episodes. They also played Andrew on Big Mouth. Sarah 58:17 I don't know. I don't know. Joel McGale Dave 58:23 Nope, anybody Tara 58:23 Good guess. Dave 58:24 anybody know it? Tara 58:25 Yes Dave 58:26 Yes? Guest 58:26 Is it Nick Kroll? Dave 58:27 No? Close though? Tara 58:28 It's John Molini. Dave 58:29 John Bullaney, yes, John Mullaney Guest 58:31 Ah, sure, the other one. Sarah 58:32 Okay Guest 58:33 The other one. Dave 58:33 Tara, this person Tara 58:34 Yes Dave 58:36 was part of Star Search for nine episodes. They played first name only Buffy Tara 58:47 Oh, is this Sarah Michelle Geller? Dave 58:49 Yeah, she was on the panel or something like that. Tara 58:51 Okay. Dave 58:52 Back to Margaret. Dancing with the Stars hosted 64 episodes. Was a TV actor. Guest 58:57 Okay. Alfonso Rivera. Dave 58:59 Yes, three points nicely done. Guest 59:01 Yeah. Sarah 59:01 Wow. Guest 59:02 Uh, or as he's done in my household Dave 59:02 Sarah Guest 59:04 little baby Alfonso. Tara 59:06 Sure Dave 59:07 Kids Baking Championship Sarah 109 episodes hosted by what TV actor? Sarah 59:15 I don't know. Hint Dave 59:16 They played a character named Barbara Sarah 59:22 Yep, that's not gonna help. Dave 59:24 Well, first of all, I think we should start saying Sarah 59:24 Hint. Dave 59:26 Barbera. That's fun. Uh Sarah 59:27 Mm-hmm. Dave 59:28 One Day at a Time is the show. Sarah 59:30 Oh, Valerie Bertinelli? Dave 59:31 Yes, one point pickup. Sarah 59:32 Hmm, what do you know? Dave 59:34 Tara, The Tara 59:34 Yeah Dave 59:35 Masked Singer, one hundred sixty-nine episodes It's somebody that's involved in the show at a high level, basically. Tara 59:42 Okay, so it could be a panelist. Dave 59:43 Hosts. Could be panelists, yeah. Tara 59:45 I'm just gonna give it a shot and say Ken John. Dave 59:50 Correct. Tara 59:50 Woo Guest 59:52 Good work, Tara. Dave 59:53 Margaret. Guest 59:53 I knew Nick Cannon, but I couldn't have gone deeper. Dave 59:56 Your show is The Talk, in which a television actor hosted 1,554 episodes of Who is that actor that many episodes under the belt of the talk? Guest 01:00:09 And we did we did something akin to the talk, but I guess we didn't do literally the talk. Dave 01:00:13 So got hints if you need them. Guest 01:00:14 I I I I will take my first hand, please. Dave 01:00:17 This actor played a character whose first name is Darlene. Tara 01:00:21 That's a good hit. Guest 01:00:23 That is a strong hint, but it is not resolving into Dave 01:00:28 I can give you the TV show. Guest 01:00:28 an answer in my mind. Yes, please do. Dave 01:00:31 Darlene was on a character on Roseanne. Guest 01:00:36 Oh, okay. People on the T V show Roseanne. I mean, obviously Not Roseanne. Uh I'm really doing great here. Um you know what? Is it Christina Applegate? No, that's married with children. Dave 01:00:53 Man, wrong Guest 01:00:54 Damn it, I should have guessed Lori Dave 01:00:54 show. Guest 01:00:55 Metcalf Dave 01:00:56 Also, I believe SAGsAG president at some point, right? Wasn't she? Sarah 01:01:00 No, that was Melissa. Tara 01:01:01 Her sister was, yeah. Dave 01:01:01 Oh, that was Melissa Gilbert. Right. All right. Uh Sarah Gilbert is your answer here Guest 01:01:05 Oh great. I would never have come up with that. I feel okay. Dave 01:01:08 Great. All right. Sara Dunding, this will take us into our scorebreak. You have Ugliest House in America. They hosted 48 episodes recently discussed on this very show. Sarah 01:01:18 Yeah, and it has not it's not remained in my brain, so if you could please give me a hint Dave 01:01:24 They played a character named Donna. Sarah 01:01:28 Definitely not Joel McHale. Ugliest house in America. Tara 01:01:32 You don't know Sarah 01:01:33 Yeah, true. I mean I I kind of know. Can I have the last hint, please? I'm blanking. Dave 01:01:38 Donna on Parks and Wreck. Guest 01:01:40 Oh, okay, great. Sarah 01:01:41 Yeah, no, that actually doesn't help more. Who played Donna on Parson Rick? That is the question Guest 01:01:47 She's Manon Sarah 01:01:48 before the panel. Guest 01:01:49 Monominaus Tara 01:01:50 She is mononymous. Sarah 01:01:51 And I think it's I don't know, Rashida Jones. Dave 01:01:57 Incorrect. I think everybody else knows. Margaret Guest 01:02:00 Retta. Dave 01:02:00 Retta is correct. Sarah 01:02:02 Oh, right. Dave 01:02:02 Yes. Guest 01:02:03 But I wouldn't have gotten that from Donna alone. Dave 01:02:05 We are halfway through. Scores, please. Tara 01:02:08 Okay, we're not doing challenge zones, right? Dave 01:02:10 No. Tara 01:02:11 Okay, Sarah has six, Margaret has eleven, I have thirteen. Sarah, do you concur? Sarah 01:02:16 Thank you Tara 01:02:16 Thank you. Dave 01:02:17 Alright, let's get back into it. Back to Tara. Tara 01:02:19 Yes. Dave 01:02:19 You've got dinner for five for 49 episodes. Tara 01:02:23 God Sarah 01:02:23 Fuck Tara 01:02:23 damn it, Pinky. Sarah 01:02:23 you, Picky. Tara 01:02:25 That's John Favreau Dave 01:02:26 Tom Favreau is correct. This is question seventeen Sarah 01:02:28 Did you know he was in a Rocky Marciano picture? Dave 01:02:33 Thank you. It is for Margaret. Your show is Press Your Luck. 66 episodes by this television actor. Press your luck. Guest 01:02:43 I'm going to need a hint? Probably both, but we'll start with one. Dave 01:02:47 They played a character whose first name is Avery. Avery. Guest 01:02:52 Certainly going to need the second. Dave 01:02:54 They played Avery on 30 Rock. Guest 01:02:57 Avery on thirty rock. Dave 01:02:59 Yeah. Guest 01:02:59 Okay, uh Elizabeth Banks Dave 01:03:00 Yes, correct. One point Guest 01:03:02 All Sarah 01:03:02 Wow, nice. Dave 01:03:02 pickup. Guest 01:03:02 right. Sarah 01:03:03 Nice pull. Dave 01:03:04 You ready, sir? Guest 01:03:04 Thank you. Sarah 01:03:06 Yeah. Dave 01:03:06 Match game sixty-five episodes Sarah 01:03:10 Alex Baldwin? Dave 01:03:12 Correct, three points. Guest 01:03:13 That work. Dave 01:03:14 Tara, Zillow Gone Wild, eleven Tara 01:03:14 Yeah Dave 01:03:17 episodes. Tara 01:03:17 that's Jack McBurr Dave 01:03:19 Correct. You're 30 rock triptych. Guest 01:03:21 Okay, we're in the 30 rock. Okay, so that's it. Dave 01:03:23 Back to Margaret. Guest 01:03:23 That's it. Jane Glakowski should be hosting more things. Get on that. Tara 01:03:26 Sh she is. She'll probably come up later in this game. Sarah 01:03:29 Uh-huh. Tara 01:03:30 Oh, maybe not, if she wasn't in this cor this corridor Guest 01:03:32 Well we'll see. We'll see Dave 01:03:34 Making it for Margaret, twenty-two episodes. Making it Guest 01:03:38 I do not know. I will take a hint. Dave 01:03:41 played Leslie Guest 01:03:43 Oh, I do know. God, I hated that show. I wanted it to be so good. Dave 01:03:47 Yep. Guest 01:03:47 Amy Fowler. Tara 01:03:48 Yep, agreed Dave 01:03:48 Agreed. You are correct in your assessment. Two points. Sarah 01:03:51 Yep Dave 01:03:51 Sarah, baking it. Not making it, baking it. Putting it in an oven. Yeah, flour, eggs, sugar, a whole bunch of shit. Sarah 01:03:58 Hint Uh-huh. Hint Dave 01:04:00 Oh, I'm sorry, 12 episodes was the uh total there. Baking it, uh, this TV actor played a character named Molly, and there is a 0% chance you've watched this show. Tara 01:04:11 Oh yeah, no way. Sarah 01:04:14 Yeah. Dave 01:04:15 But let me give you a little hint there. There is definitely a relationship between making it and baking it. Tara 01:04:20 Mm-hmm. Here's another extra hint. I hated this show violently. Dave 01:04:24 Here's another XRhint. The actor's name is Sarah 01:04:29 I need a regulation hint, please. Dave 01:04:32 Okay. I've already forgotten what we okay. Tara 01:04:35 Molly Dave 01:04:35 Molly was on loot Guest 01:04:40 Oh Sarah 01:04:41 Yeah. No, Joe McHale. Dave 01:04:44 No, you know what, Margaret? Guest 01:04:46 Maya Rudolph Dave 01:04:47 Maya Rudolph, yes. Sarah 01:04:48 Oh, yeah Dave 01:04:49 Back to Tara. Punked 105 episodes. Tara 01:04:55 Ashton Kutcher Dave 01:04:55 Is correct, yes. Guest 01:04:57 Yeah Dave 01:04:57 Margaret, off their rockers. Twenty-four episodes. Off their rockers. Tara 01:05:03 Oh, I violently hated this show too. Dave 01:05:05 Yeah. Guest 01:05:06 I 'll need a hint. First hint, please. Dave 01:05:07 This person played Rose. Guest 01:05:10 Rose. Dave 01:05:11 Yeah Guest 01:05:11 Oh, okay, it's Betty White. Dave 01:05:12 Betty White off the rockers, yes. Back to Sarah. You've got Project Runway All-Stars. Uh 63 episodes Sarah 01:05:20 Oh, uh, well, Alyssa Milano. Dave 01:05:23 Yes, you are correct. Guest 01:05:25 Wow, that's a weird one. Dave 01:05:26 Alright, everybody's got one more question before we're gonna do our penultimate score break near the end here Tara 01:05:27 Mm-hmm. Sarah 01:05:27 Yeah, sure was Tara 01:05:30 Okay. Dave 01:05:31 for Tara. Tara 01:05:31 Yep Dave 01:05:32 The big fib 30 episodes. Tara 01:05:36 Hint Dave 01:05:36 Shirley is a character they played. Tara 01:05:40 Um Penny Marshall It's not Penny Marshall Dave 01:05:45 Yeah, it's not Tara 01:05:46 Oh, she was Laverne, that's why Dave 01:05:46 anybody know it? Guest 01:05:47 Oh. Tara 01:05:48 it wasn't her. Guest 01:05:49 Just thanks for giving me a chance, Tara. Dave 01:05:51 Any any guesses here? Guest 01:05:52 No not from just Shirley. Dave 01:05:53 No. Community is the show Tara 01:05:56 Oh Guest 01:05:57 Um, sure Dave 01:05:57 Yvette Nicole Brown. Tara 01:05:57 , vet Nicole Bram. Dave 01:05:59 Back to Margaret. Your show is called Card Sharks, in which this television actor hosted was on 25 episodes. Card Sharks. Guest 01:06:08 The problem is is I watched Game Show Network, so I'm like, is this some like old person Dave 01:06:15 Keep in mind twenty-five episodes. Guest 01:06:17 No, no, I Tara 01:06:17 Yeah, I don't know. Guest 01:06:17 know. Dave 01:06:18 Yeah. Guest 01:06:18 I I do not know. Give me my friendship, please. Dave 01:06:20 They played Starman slash Sylvester. Guest 01:06:25 That seems like such a specific Dave 01:06:27 Yeah Guest 01:06:29 that it should just be immediately apparent to me. Dave 01:06:31 Hm, I don't know. Guest 01:06:33 But it is not, so I will take my third hint Dave 01:06:35 Uh-huh. All right, Starman was on Star Girl. Guest 01:06:40 And I've got nothing for you. Dave 01:06:42 Just put something out Guest 01:06:43 Joel McHale. Dave 01:06:44 put correct Guest 01:06:46 Oh wow. Sarah 01:06:49 Wait, really? Dave 01:06:50 Yep. Tara 01:06:50 Yeah. Dave 01:06:52 Sarah Sarah 01:06:53 Gorgeous. Yes Dave 01:06:54 Hollywood Game Night, seventy-five episodes Sarah 01:06:58 Wow, Picky Guest 01:06:59 Dang it. Sarah 01:07:00 is really on one today. Jane Lynch? Dave 01:07:03 You are correct. Guest 01:07:04 Wow, good job, good Dave 01:07:04 Three points. Alright, everybody has one question left. Guest 01:07:06 pull Dave 01:07:07 I want the scores. Tara 01:07:08 Okay, I have Sarah with fifteen, Margaret with seventeen, me with twenty-two. Sarah, do you concur? Sarah 01:07:15 I do. Dave 01:07:16 All right, Guest 01:07:16 Well, this is a real nail biter. Dave 01:07:17 let's close it out. Tara, you've got deliciousness. Twenty episodes Sarah 01:07:24 Oh yeah, that thing is a very important thing. Tara 01:07:28 Oh, I mixed that up with dismantled. I don't remember what this one was. Hint. Dave 01:07:32 They played a character named Val. Tara 01:07:36 Tiffany Thiessen? Dave 01:07:38 You are correct. Guest 01:07:39 Did she drop the amber? Tara 01:07:41 Yeah, she dropped it before nine or two one oh. Guest 01:07:43 All right Tara 01:07:44 Mm. Dave 01:07:45 To Margaret, you've got America's Got Talent, 152 Episodes Guest 01:07:52 Okay, America's Got Talent. I have a vague sense of many different people who've been on that Dave 01:07:58 Yeah. Guest 01:07:59 But I don't know which one of them hosted that number of episodes. So I'll go ahead, I'll ask for a hint. Dave 01:08:06 The Guest 01:08:06 I guess if they they have to have been a I'll ask for a hint. Go ahead Dave 01:08:09 Okay. The character they played is called Terry Tara 01:08:14 That's a good hint. Guest 01:08:15 Oh sure, I know this. It's um Cruz. Uh I can't remember his first name, but Dave 01:08:21 Tr Guest 01:08:21 Terry. Dave 01:08:22 Terry, yeah. Guest 01:08:22 Is it Terry Cruz Dave 01:08:23 Terry Cruz. Tara 01:08:23 Yes, you can. Dave 01:08:24 Yep. Guest 01:08:24 That that helps, that really helps, you know? Dave 01:08:25 That's good for two points. Tara 01:08:27 Woo! Dave 01:08:27 Nicely done, Terry from Brooklyn 99. Sarah 01:08:28 I was like Howie Mandel's character on St. Elsewhere was named Terry. Oh boy Dave 01:08:35 Sarah D. Bunting, deal or no deal Sarah 01:08:40 Howie Mandel. Dave 01:08:42 32 episodes for Mr. Sarah 01:08:43 Howie Dave 01:08:43 Howie Sarah 01:08:44 Mandel. Dave 01:08:44 Mandel. Yes, three points. Sarah 01:08:46 Hey Dave 01:08:46 He played Wayne on St. Elsewhere. Tara 01:08:48 Wayne, right Guest 01:08:49 There you go, same elsewhere. Dave 01:08:49 Regulation scores, please. Tara 01:08:50 My god. Okay, we've got Sarah with 18, Margaret with 19, me with 24. Dave 01:08:57 All right, Tar takes it today. I'm gonna l excuse Tar Sarah 01:08:59 Damn. Dave 01:09:00 from the tiebreaker here. I'm gonna read out another show. First person to shout out who hosted it will win a steel meal for future use. Are you ready, Sarah? Are you ready, Margaret? Guest 01:09:12 I'm ready. Dave 01:09:12 Here we go. First person to shout it out. The Joel McHale show. Sarah 01:09:15 Joe McGale Dave 01:09:17 Sarah D. Bunting first with Joel McHale as host of the Joel McHale Guest 01:09:19 Good job, Sarah. Sarah 01:09:21 That was evil, but fun. Dave 01:09:22 show. Nicely done. Guest 01:09:25 Yeah, that was great. That was great Clips 01:09:34 Tara Dave 01:09:35 All right, guys, that is it for another episode of Extra Hot Great. We watch Captains Kings Oops All Tech episodes before going around the dial with stops at Below, Southern Charm, Love is Blind Boston, Kilberry Print, and Great British Bake Off. It pleased the court to place the good wife Goliath and David into the canon. We crowned winners and losers of the week, and Tara was the winner of this week's game time from Sean. Next up on Extra Extra Hot Great, we're talking lowdown season two. Remember? Clips 01:10:09 We're listening. Dave 01:10:13 I am David Teagle and on behalf of Tara Ariano, Sarah D. Tara 01:10:16 It's not a hat, it's a visor Dave 01:10:19 Bunting. Sarah 01:10:20 We do everything here by shouting. Dave 01:10:22 And Margaret H. Willison. Guest 01:10:25 Keep it weird. All of my exes do Dave 01:10:28 Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time, right here, getting into the weedy legal weeds on extra hot credit. Clips 01:10:38 This is so cool. It's like um it's kind of like jazz, right? It's like legal jazz