Is The Shards Worth Picking Up?

Clip 00:00 God, I hate coming here every week and just to watch her ride this dumb horse. Why do we do this to ourselves? Because we are nice People. Dave 00:15 This is the Extra Extra Hot Great Podcast, episode 423 for the August 8th, 2026 weekend. I am Weirdly Empowered Student Body President David T. Cole, and I'm here with Two-Door Tank, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 00:35 Four miles a gal in Leipzigin. Dave 00:37 And new kid who's up to something, Tara Ariano. Tara 00:40 I've never even seen the shining Welcome to Extra Extra Hot Great for another weekend. Thank you so much for your support. We're so happy that you're here. To listen to us talk about the shards, the show that is destined to be called The Shards In nineteen eighty-one, Los Angeles, a lightly fictionalized Bret Easton Ellis played by Get This Igby Rigney Dave 01:14 Chicken Caesar. Tara 01:16 Is a high school senior with a girlfriend named Debbie, Hayes Warner, a couple of quasi-boyfriends, and a partially completed manuscript of a novel that will become less than zero. He's also got a nagging feeling that the recent spate of ritualistic murders aren't going down the way the LAPD has been sharing with the press. Is it one guy nicknamed The Trawler? Or is it possibly a bunch of people in a cult run by a disgraced English teacher named Bruce? Or Is it the creepy new kid, Robert Mallory, Homer Gear, and yes, he is Richard's son, who refuses to admit that Brett spotted him a year earlier at a Westwood showing of The Shining, even though Robert says He just moved to town. The show is adapted from Brett East and Ellis' novel of the same name by Ellis and Ryan Murphy. The first Two episodes premiered on FX and Hulu on August 5th. We got access to the whole season, but we will be careful about spoilers in future episodes. Let's do the Chen check-in. Sarah, should our listeners watch the shard? Sarah 02:25 No thanks. Tara 02:28 Dave Dave 02:28 I didn't know what this was. Absolutely 100% blind going in. It was like three minutes in. I was like, oh, this is another Ryan Murphy show. That's exactly like all the other Ryan Murphy shows, is it not? Yes, it is. So with that knowledge, I think you could probably answer for yourself whether you should watch this or not. Tara 02:45 Yeah, look, I'm gonna say you sh you shouldn't watch this show. It's not good. And yet at the end of the second episode, I turned to Dave and was like Unfortunately, I was interested in this kind of trashiness. Clip 02:59 Yum, yum, yum, feed me that garbage. Yum yum yum yum yum Tara 03:01 That's that's it Let's get into it. Brety Snails wrote the novel this is based on. He wrote a version of himself into it who also narrates, but it's It's not really him, but the character is also a rich LA kid who's writing less than zero and is trying to get it optioned as a movie before it's even finished. The layers put me in mind of this moment from Frisky Dingo clip, please. Clip 03:24 As we rise up as one man and destroy my brother Xander Kru! Thanks, Ken! Ronnie! What? What what is wrong with you? Hey, what? I do your- That's why we can't have nice things. Hey, come on. Thank you, Ronnie. It's complicated enough without all this evil. twin bullshit having. You know what? That is. . actually that's a pretty good point Tara 03:51 Is this show too complicated enough without all this evil twin having bullshit, Sarah? Sarah 03:57 Here's the thing, I have a higher tolerance for Ryan Murphy than some critics, I would say. Tara 04:05 Clearly not me, go on. Sarah 04:07 And look, he knows to put a shit ton of vintage Benzes in at the top lately just to get Buntsy on his side, and I considered letting it work But it's not so much the like complications of the evil twin bullshit. It's like what side of the line you fall on, or the debate, I guess, Bret Easton Ellis wise, that it's like this listing of brand names and sort of commerce replacing emotion. Like, do you think that that's deep and profound and makes a comment on turn of the millennium society and adolescence? Or do you just think it's lazy and smug? I think it's lazy and smug. I think it's been vastly overpraised and as pretty as this was to look at. I don't care I don't care about any of these people. They all seem exhausting. I could not figure out what the who the lead i is that Igby Rig bottomless bread bowl of Igby Rigney. Tara 05:12 Yes. Sarah 05:14 Finally I realize that he looks like this really uncanny hybrid between Andrew McCarthy, who was in Less Than Zero, the movie. Tara 05:23 Mm-hmm. Sarah 05:23 And Taron Egerton, who has been at a bunch of period pieces and probably would be better in this. Dave 05:29 I was also getting Anakin Skywalker vibes from him. Tara 05:29 Yeah. Yeah. Sarah 05:34 Mm-hmm. Dave 05:34 Like pouty Anakin Skywalker vibes. Tara 05:36 Mm hmm. Dave 05:36 Like I hate saying Anakin Skywalker vibes. Sarah 05:39 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's not that it's complicated, it's that it wants us to think that it's complicated and it's actually just Dave 05:45 Yeah Sarah 05:47 a lot of surface and there's nothing wrong with that or a contemplation of surface. This is, like I said, beautifully shot, everyone's pretty Looking at the feathered hair. I don't know. It brings you back to a time, but I don't have eight hours to spend on that and won't. Dave 06:04 It's not complicated. Tara 06:06 Hmm. Dave 06:07 Like there's just too much going on and there's too much Yeah, that's what I mean. Tara 06:09 Yeah, needlessly. Like you could you could call this guy Chet and say he's writing a book called Negative One. Dave 06:11 It's Tara 06:16 You know? Like One of the very first things we hear Brett narrate is about his father's hand-me-down Mercedes convertible, which isn't as cool as he would want as a teenager driver. I wrote in my notes, Sarah is disgusted. Sarah 06:30 Yeah. Tara 06:30 Is is that where they lost you? Sarah 06:33 No, because then later he's parking it next to other models that I did learn to drive on. I also thought they weren't cool. Back then, I was wrong about a lot of things at that age. What car would he have wanted instead? Is my question. Tara 06:49 Well, Robert's Porsche probably Dave 06:51 I think there's so much emphasis on the cars because they didn't do anything else to make it look like the eighties. Tara 06:57 Mm-hmm. Dave 06:57 outside in exterior shots beyond just using a very shallow depth of field so you couldn't see anything that was going on on Wheelshire Drive or whatever they were driving through. Like the only one I remember is when at the start of it they show like uh I don't know it was like Melrose or something where there's a Mexican restaurant across the street and they couldn't even get their font game right. They had Gotham, which is like an Ots font. Like Obama era font there, so like come on guys Sarah 07:23 Just borrow the B roll from spelling TV. Tara 07:27 Yeah. Dave 07:27 Like album covers are doing a lot of heavy lifting for this is the 80s. Sarah 07:31 Yeah. Dave 07:31 Look at me. I got my new Elvis Costello album. Here it is. Tara 07:35 Mm-hmm. Dave 07:35 Final. A lot of that. I kind of wish they could have spent more money on actually making it look like a period piece instead of just lens flaring themselves away. Sarah 07:37 Mm-hmm. Tara 07:45 No, it's it's true, but I feel sort of the same way about this as I did about Love Story, which I think was better overall, which is Ryan Murphy and I have the same yearning for the very specific earlier age in culture. And yes, I know Connor Hines was the credited creator on Love Story, but he was born in 1988. He doesn't know what it was like to go to a record store in a mall. Dave 08:06 Yeah. Sarah 08:07 Mm-hmm. Tara 08:07 Or fantasize about models in GQ magazine. Dave 08:10 I always have more trouble hooking into a show when it's exclusively about rich people. Tara 08:16 Mm-hmm. Dave 08:16 Okay, like I understand this is just what America loves to watch American dream aspirational stuff to become rich and famous through methods. Tara 08:26 Yeah. Dave 08:26 But when they're all like that, it's just I realize we're not necessarily supposed to root for one of them in the writing of these sometimes, but it's also hard just to enjoy on a certain level for me because I'm just like Are we done with rich people yet? Can we agree that rich people have generally been not a great cultural force for us? Tara 08:47 Mm-hmm. Dave 08:47 So I kind of wish they had another half of this. I just kind of wish there was like a normal click in the school or something to play off against. I realize it's a private school and there probably isn't. Tara 08:59 Mm-hmm. Dave 08:59 But that always bothers me in these productions. Tara 09:02 Yeah, that's a good note. Sarah 09:03 If you're gonna talk about sort of the inch-deep carelessness and alienation of the rich, ask yourself, self Can I do this better than F. Scott Fitzgerald? The answer is no, especially if you're Bret Easton Ellis. Tara 09:18 mm Sarah 09:18 Like, and you went to Bennington, like you have no idea that there even is another half. Like you think the have nots are people who went to Wesleyan? I kind of envy people who can plug into his whole thing and say that American Psycho is a devastating comment on whatever. Tara 09:28 Yeah, Dave 09:36 Genesis Duke album. Sarah 09:37 But yeah, Dave has a point. Like, yeah, rich people, n no funciona. Tara 09:43 Yeah. Sarah 09:44 What else? Dave 09:44 So Tara, what is it about this that you're hooking your meaty hands into? Tara 09:49 I mean it's the nostalgia for sure. Dave 09:51 Hmm. Tara 09:51 That's part of it. Seeing all the markers and and the when he's like We used to go to the mall, there were so many record stores. There used to be four huge bookstores we could walk to and I'm like crying, like, yes, it's true. Sarah 10:02 I know. Tara 10:04 That is what I miss. Sarah 10:04 I know. Tara 10:05 You know, it's also the sort of like this is obviously the little archie version in many ways, but it sort of reminded me a little bit too of um American Gigolo in terms of brands in place of Sarah 10:05 Yeah. Tara 10:17 character. That's the good version. This is the stupid version. But it's also funny that given that connection that I I felt that y one of the stars the student who's up to no good Robert is uh played by Homer Gear and uh about as good as Kaia Gerber, Cindy Crawford's daughter, his dad's ex-wife's daughter, but you know, she at least I think has found an acting lane where being like blank and affected in this particular way is like what she's supposed to do, like plausibly seems like a choice as opposed to just a lack of range, I guess. Dave 10:53 Because I'm just used to seeing Cindy Crawford all the time, she just looked like a half-baked Cindy Crawford in all her scenes. Like, what's wrong with Cindy Crawford's CG de-aging process? Sarah 10:59 Yeah. Dave 11:02 It's a little off. Sarah 11:02 And she sounds just like her too. Dave 11:04 Yeah. Tara 11:05 She does. Sarah 11:05 It's I mean it's like weird. Dave 11:07 Yeah and her drinking peps Dia Pepsi at that halfway cafe was a real stretch for the show. Tara 11:07 Yeah Sarah 11:07 I don't know. Yeah. Dave 11:13 Actually I wouldn't put it past the show to do something like that. Tara 11:14 No, I wouldn't. All of this seems very Sarah 11:16 And then she shaved K.D. Lang's dog. Dave 11:19 Actually, when is that ad? Is that 80s or it's nineties, eh? Tara 11:21 It's ninety one or two, it's the early nineties. Dave 11:23 Oh, okay. So we couldn't have her actually driving past the shooting of that commercial out in Santa Clarita. Tara 11:29 No Sarah 11:30 No Dave 11:30 Yeah. Tara 11:31 No, no, unless they do a wet hot American Summer flash forward to when they meet ten years later to the day. Dave 11:35 Sure. Right. Tara 11:39 They do also sh I think deliberately shoot her from below to accentuate like how long her legs are, because it's crazy how long her legs are. Also, Wes Bentley and Evan Rachel Wood are now old enough to play the gross embarrassing parents, so that was that was rough. Sarah 11:54 Oh my God, yeah. Dave 11:56 There is nothing more disgusting in this month in television than Wes Bentley's hair. Tara 12:02 Yeah, the w that m perm wig is horrifying. Sarah 12:03 Oh Dave 12:04 Because the first time we see him, he's in a hot tub and his hair is wet, and you just don't get a sense of what's going on. Tara 12:10 Mm-hmm. Dave 12:10 But then later he's taking Brett out for lunch. Tara 12:13 At Ludome. Dave 12:15 And you see it in all its boy, I don't know. Sarah 12:19 Brilloid glory Dave 12:20 It was like the uh the coming to America hair ad but on a white dude. Tara 12:21 Yeah Yes it is. Yeah, it is it is Jerry Curl esque Dave 12:30 Jerry Carl, thank you. Tara 12:31 This is also cruel to Evan Rachel Wood, who was like the young girl robot in Westworld less than ten years ago, and now she's come around to horrible, embarrassing, substance using mom ruining the party. Sarah 12:39 Mm-hmm. Dave 12:44 Linear time comes for us all. Tara 12:46 I guess I guess. I'll also say, if this show's two creators were not themselves gay, I think we would for sure be talking about the homophobic portrayals of both Terry, the West Bentley character, and his c Extremely menacing gay assistant Steven. Oh my god. Dave 13:04 Yeah, what was that? Sarah 13:05 Yeah Tara 13:06 I don't know Dave 13:06 He looked like somebody you know that show, um, it's uh Demons in Hell. Oh, what the Fuck is it called? Has been Hotel? Tara 13:14 Oh, he does he does Dave 13:14 He looks like a has been hotel character if if it was you if it was human. Sarah 13:20 Yeah, I was just humming Warhol's Drag Race. Tara 13:24 Yeah. Sarah 13:24 Start your engines Tara 13:25 He he's made up like um Robert What's his face in uh Sarah 13:29 Oh yeah, rubber blake and yep. Tara 13:30 Yeah. Robert Blake, thank you, in that David Lynch movie. Yeesh. The Shards started out as a serialized audio book that Brenny Snells released through his Patreon, which made me think, should I do that with bad teen novel? Dave 13:46 Yeah, that'll make a great series, Tar. Sarah 13:46 Yes. Tara 13:48 Thank you. Sarah 13:49 Yeah, just add a couple chapters about going to the mall and going to record stores and bookstores. Tara 13:54 I think there are some actually. Sarah 13:56 I I think there are. Not as good as the shirt content, but Dave 14:10 Alright everybody, it's time for everybody's ask and answer segment. It is Ask E-H-G. Clip 14:27 Definitely Dave 14:29 Alright, let's get into judgment for last week's Ask Ass EHG. I am gonna spin the wheel of judgment. Tara. Tara 14:42 Yes, I am judging the answers to a question Pitched by David T. Cole, which is pitch everyone on a TV show based on a brand name food product. Unsurprisingly, Dave has an answer for this. What is it, Dave? Dave 14:57 It's just my elevator pitch, which is a show called Lunchables Court, which is just like the People's Court, but for schoolyard disputes. Tara 15:04 I love that. That's great. Dave 15:07 And the damages are in Lunchables. Tara 15:09 Yeah, of course. Mm-hmm. But in full trays or in specific high value Lunchable components? Dave 15:15 Well, it depends on the judgment. So like the judgment could be two crackers and two pieces of salami and one cheese. Tara 15:17 Mm. Yeah. Dave 15:21 It could be like three packages of unopened Lunchables. It really depends on how strong your case is. Tara 15:26 Mm, interesting. Interesting. I think you got something there. Dave 15:29 Thank you. Tara 15:30 Some runners up, Cekent wrote, two monogram loving pieces of candy-coated chocolate. Wendy and Wilma move to Australia and open a store in MMs.see what he did there, cause down under Drydendon, who I think changed their um intercapping on their display name so that we would stop calling them Drydendon, wrote, Jake Dave 15:52 Oh by the way, I refuse. Tara 15:55 I know. Dave 15:56 Okay. Sarah 15:56 Yeah. Tara 15:56 Jake Nineball Samuelson is the talk of the billiards world running through his competitors like nobody's business. But sling and stick only pays so much, so on his nights off the felt he is a high stakes cat burglar, robbing from London's elite, pursued by Scotland Yard's most decorated officer, Sergeant Corinne McCain Jake's smash and grab operation is on the cusp of being snookered. Coming this fall to BBC 4. Hot pocket! Thank you, good one. But our winner is Seth. No pitch required. Simply tell Paramount Plus that there's an eighteen eighty three spin-off and a green light is guaranteed. Sam Elliott and his fellow Duttons fight to maintain their hold on Yellowstone Ranch now under three. threat from the rival McCool family, emboldened and avaricious after striking the fabled Montana motherload and looking to expand their holdings. Dust-ups are guaranteed and things are gonna get spicy next summer on Taylor Sheridan's Cool Ranch Doritos and Seth adds. Doritos comes from the Spanish word doradito, meaning little pieces of gold. Very clever. Seth, well-earned sticker, DM Dave. Dave 17:06 Wow. Sarah 17:06 Wow gorgeous. Dave 17:08 Alright. I think Seth is like 'cause I haven't done them in a little while, I think he's got three or something. Tara 17:11 Mm-hmm. Dave 17:13 So if you want a shirt instead, just let me know. Tara 17:13 Yeah. Dave 17:15 You've won so much lately. Tara 17:16 Seth is rich, rich in stickers. Dave 17:18 Yeah. Alright, let's get to your questions for us. Laugher, L A F R. And you're watching of TV shows from the nineteen seventies. Have you watched any mod? They say it has a real designing women's issue rant vibe. Tara, Maud, yes, no? Tara 17:34 I have not. I may have possibly never seen an episode of Mod, actually. I don't think it was ever in syndication when I was watching those shows in the eighties. Dave 17:43 Is that a lot of people? Tara 17:43 I went to see where it is and other than buying it, it's only on Tubi and I'm not gonna be adding a show in this category that's Only on an ad-supported platform. Sorry if it comes to something I have a ad-free subscription for. Dave 17:56 Speaking about rich people. Tara 17:57 Well, sorry, Sarah Sarah 18:00 I've really only ever seen the most famous one. I had to teach it in that class. Back in the day, I think it might be more up Tara's Alley if it does come to streaming service, but I haven't seen fit to add it to the Capital L list. No. Dave? Dave 18:17 Yeah, I don't know anything about it except Bea Arthur's in it and they had an abortion episode. That's the exact extent of my Sarah 18:21 That's what everyone knows, so good job. Tara 18:22 That's the one. Dave 18:23 Knowledge. Tara 18:24 Yep Dave 18:24 Yeah. W. Lamb, do you remember the first time you came across a multiverse or mirror universe episode of a show? They cite Super Friends as the first one they remember seeing one in. They had quite a few. Sarah. Sarah 18:36 I mean, I don't think various Knight Rider episodes featuring Garth or Carr count, so it's Probably original series Star Trek Mirror Mirror, but it's not like I necessarily would have clocked that at the time if I ran across it in a rerun, because I would have been little. Dave 18:50 Yeah. Sarah 18:54 So yeah, no, I guess I don't remember is the answer, Dave. Dave 18:57 Mm-hmm. Yeah, same kind of answer. I've I think the first one I was probably exposed to is Star Trek, you know, the ones I remember, they're not exactly multiverse or mirror universes or the this planet is one thing that sort of is a conceptual mirror parallel universe like the Nazi planet or the mob planet, those ones. Tara 19:16 Right. Mm-hmm. Dave 19:18 And sort of the same with Thundarr the Barbarian, which is like it's Earth and it's all different, but it's actually still in the same timeline A lot of those examples. And also probably Super Friends. They have some genuine like here is Earth 2 type of stuff, but I don't remember those. Tara 19:34 Mm-hmm. I mean, similarly, I guess that's like you could make a case that that's what Fantasy Island is doing, you know, sort of. Dave 19:40 Okay, kinda, yeah. Tara 19:43 But otherwise, you Dave 19:44 Well there's like pocket universe stuff that we're talking about, right? Tara 19:47 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I've possibly was walking through a room at some point that was airing a sliders episode, but yeah, I guess my answer is also no. Dave 19:57 Mm-hmm Yeah, because there's also the ones that are like you go back in time to fix things like Quantum Leap and um uh Voyagers? Is that the one from the 80s? Tara 20:08 Maybe. Yeah, that sounds right. Dave 20:10 Yeah, again, it's not quite a parallel universe as time travel, but they have the same a lot of the same plot devices. Yeah. All right, flame splash. Peacemakers, plural, maybe resting in peace, but it showed us the fun of taking a modern like CSI and placing it in a historical context of the Wild West. Take another very modern show conceit and time travel it to the past. So Peacemakers was, was it Tom Berenger, right? Sarah 20:39 Oh, was that? Dave 20:40 Yeah, Tom I think it's Tom Berenger and he plays like a martially sciencey guy or he has a martial partner or the sciencey guy is his partner. But basically it was solving crimes and they were sort of like inventing forensics as they went along. I think it was the gist of the show Tara 20:56 Yeah, you're right, Tom Berenger. Dave 20:57 Yeah. Yeah. Alright, so my idea is Old West meets X-Files, literal ghost towns, faith healers that are also vampires, mining camp meter strike that makes miners eat gold. Tara 21:01 Uh-huh. Dave 21:11 Skinwalkers. Tara 21:13 Yeah. Dave 21:13 And a snake oil salesman who tonic turns people into snakes. Tara 21:17 Hmm. Dave 21:18 Oh, and Billy the Kid's actually a kid. Tara 21:20 No. Dave 21:20 Tonight. Tara 21:21 Take royal pains even further back in time than the Nick and show us concierge doctoring in the English countryside in like Jane Ausna times. Sarah. Sarah 21:32 Put fringe or the X-Files in colonial North America, Sleepy Hollow, sort of. did this, but I would like to expand the concept to trying to figure out slash explain the non-existence of the Jersey Devil et al. Like, oh that's not a werewolf, that's just a wolf. Dave 21:47 Uh here's another one I just thought of. Take the general idea of the thick of it and stick it inside of Death by Lightning where it's Tara 21:53 Mm-hmm. Oh, that's good. Dave 21:58 It's a lot more of the behind-the-scenes political stuff, but it's also very crass like Chester Arthur 24-7. Tara 22:01 Yeah, yeah. That's good. Dave 22:06 Jovial Gent has one just for Sarah. What is a sporting event you wish you could have experienced as it happened? Sarah 22:14 I have a lot of memories of experiencing home runs either, you know, live at a ballpark, like the one that turned me into a baseball fan. Thank you, Dwight Gooden. Or like in the car on the highway, and you could tell other people were also listening to the same game because everyone else started like honking their horns on the turnpike. I don't know, like I guess one of the legendary nineteen eighties NBA finals performances like Lakers Celtics that I didn't care about basketball then, so I wouldn't really have been paying attention, but I feel like I have been able to experience great sporting moments that I wasn't alive for thanks to the internet. It would have been pretty amazing to experience the nineteen sixty nine Mets postseason, though. That was something else. Tara 23:02 Nice. Sarah 23:03 Quite a time. Tara 23:03 Oh. Dave 23:06 Kara has our next question. Victoria, British Columbia is hosting a Red Bulls log driver competition. What other events should be part of the new season of Wipe Oot from Canada? Tar. Tara 23:18 Well, first of all, Carrie, you are Canadian. You should know it would be more like white boat, not white boot. But that said, human curling, a person is flooding across ice in place of a rock. Dave. Dave 23:30 I've got three skating past a pastel of Bonhomme from the Rideau Canal. Tara 23:35 Sure. Dave 23:36 Having a conversation with Tom Green and making out with same-sex hockey players. Tara 23:42 Huh Dave 23:43 Sarah. Sarah 23:44 Poutine eating pros versus Joes setup Tara 23:48 Mm-hmm. Sarah 23:48 That pits contestants against Joey Chestnut or the Canadian equivalent, so Gordy Chatania. I don't know. Thank you, Tara. Phew! It worked. Dave 23:59 Dan Cassino, the Oscars have a long history of best pitcher winders that look real bad in hindsight. Are the Emmys any better or is my memory just more selective? Sarah, what do you think about this? Sarah 24:10 It's not exactly apples and oranges, but it's sort of apples and oranges because like the Emmys tend to or used to get stuck in ruts with like, you know, best Like best drama, best dramatic lead, like the same people winning over and over again, because the shows are the same pretty much every year or like over a period of years, so you have like eras in the Emmys that you don't exactly have in the Oscars. Dave 24:38 Yeah, I mean the thing about TV is that just generally speaking it doesn't like push the envelope as much as movies do. Like the advent of the, I guess the equivalent of an R-rated TV show is a relatively new thing. Movies just have more opportunities to be bad. Tara 24:56 Yeah. Dave 24:56 In a way that is remarkable. Tara 24:58 It's true, but I I will also say, like, some Emmy wins are a real croc of shit. Like, for example, everyone The Bear has received in the comedy category. Sarah 25:04 Mm-hmm Tara 25:08 This is an ongoing I mean, I guess it's almost over. Sarah 25:09 Yeah. Yeah, category shopping is a thing that you don't necessarily see except in like supporting versus best regular, but sorry. Tara 25:12 Will be over it. Yes. Yeah. Dave 25:21 I thought the question was more like the Oscars have blind side. What did T what does T V have in the same sort of thing? Tara 25:27 Yeah, I mean I I agree with Sarah. It's uh it's eras because shows have years and years and y potentially years and years and years to keep winning. Dave 25:35 Yeah, Tara 25:37 It makes the good picks seem stronger, like as a an aggregate, I guess, until you drill down, like for example Succession in its final season winning drama series over season one of Andor, you know, like are those are both good shows, but Dave 25:50 Yeah. Tara 25:51 Was that the right call? Probably not. And then when you look at how many awards Andor did not get nominated for in its second season, like it looks even worse. Dave 26:00 Yeah, I guess, but I I mean I guess I just thought the question was Tara 26:00 So Dave 26:04 The Oscars have problematic winners. What are the problematic winners of anything on Emmys? And I went through the list. I mean, I just started out in the seventies for best drama and best comedy. Tara 26:11 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dave 26:12 And there's not a lot. There's not one that's like, ugh. Tara 26:15 Right, right, right. Dave 26:15 I mean, there's ones that have creators that have since been, ugh, like the Bill Cosby show, Louie, that kind of stuff. Tara 26:19 Sure. Sarah 26:21 Uh-huh. Tara 26:21 Yeah Dave 26:22 But that's not the show's problem as a piece of creative art. Tara 26:25 Right, mm hmm. Dave 26:28 I mean the worst I came up with under drama was like 24, just because it has problematic politics. And then maybe on the comedy side, I would put like the worst is Will and Grace. I know that's my opinion and not a popular one, but I think that's kind of a problematic portrayal. Tara 26:40 Mm-hmm. Dave 26:44 And that's the worst of it. Tara 26:46 Yeah Dave 26:46 So I don't think the Emmys have any competition when it comes to us. Sarah 26:50 Well, but sometimes it's like, you know, these winners are just not really good. Dave 26:55 No, yeah, there's lots of that. Sarah 26:55 Like I mean, crash, but then the the analog I would say is like late later seasons of West Wing just like getting rubber stamped for acting stuff. Dave 27:04 Yeah. Coasting. Yeah. Tara 27:06 Yeah Sarah 27:07 Like, come on. Dave 27:09 We Tara need to put I know we had it on our list and we forgot, but Lou Grant won twice in a row, 79 and 80 for drama. We really gotta watch Lou Grant sometime. Tara 27:17 Yeah, we should Dave 27:17 I'm really Sarah 27:18 For drama? Wow, okay Dave 27:20 Yeah, it is a drama. It's a newsroom drama. Yeah. Sarah 27:23 Huh, great grant. Dave 27:23 It's it I I I get the sense that it's born from the same tone and energy as all the president's men, but you know, serialized. Tara 27:24 Mm-hmm. Sarah 27:30 Oh wow, cool. Tara 27:31 Well it has like uh yeah it has Livia Soprano as basically its Catherine Graham analog Dave 27:31 Yeah. Sarah 27:32 All right Dave 27:34 Yeah. Yeah. Like he moves to LA and he becomes the editor of a newspaper or something like that. Tara 27:41 Mm-hmm. Dave 27:42 Yeah. Alright, Millsnack, what is your favorite Beastie Boy song? Eggman. I like the song about people egging cars and stuff. Your face, the joke. Tara 27:51 Mm-hmm. Dave 27:52 Sarah. Sarah 27:53 Shake your rump. I'm a basic, Dara. Tara 27:56 Sabotage, I'm basic as well. Dave 27:57 All right, great. Jovial gents back. If you're on a sitcom and just came back from grocery shopping, what things are sticking out of the one paper bag you're carrying to signal this? Tara 28:09 It's Dr. Pepper Cherry Zero Sugar, the thing I buy every time I go grocery shopping for Mr. David T. Cole. Dave 28:17 Okay, so you're saying that's the sitcom? That Tara 28:20 Yeah. Dave 28:20 Like if you're in a sitcom, it's Dr. Pepper. Tara 28:22 Uh-huh. Dave 28:22 And then you drop it and it explodes and then the whole back room is covered in Dr. Pepper. Tara 28:26 Yes Dave 28:27 That's the sitcom bit. Tara 28:28 Yes. Dave 28:30 Slash pr dramatic Yeah, dramatic event for Tara Tara 28:32 Based on true events. Oh my god. That video is it'll haunt me. Anyway, Sarah. Sarah 28:40 Paper towels because Dan and I keep cross buying them and now we could open a store. Dave 28:44 Yeah. Sarah 28:45 Dave. Dave 28:45 I guess I didn't answer this personally enough because my answer was celery or a baguette or I guess for Tara a family-sized cereal box. Tara 28:53 Mm-hmm. Dave 28:54 Sticking out. But what I don't like is when they cheat it with a milk carton. It's like there's no way a milk carton would be sticking out of the top of a bag. Tara 29:02 Right Dave 29:02 'Cause it's just not that tall. That always bothers me when it seems to be magically floating near the top of the bag. Tara 29:08 Well yeah, and you wouldn't put it on top of other stuff in the bag that you would like you're not gonna put it on top of bread or whatever. Dave 29:11 No, crush it. Exactly. Tara 29:15 Anyway. Dave 29:15 There is an order to these things, and the prop people should know. Tara 29:17 There is Clip 29:19 Enough! I'm so sick and tired of hearing you people talk about food, food, food. Dave 29:24 Next question comes from Drydendon. What TV show would benefit from a pop-up video fact system? Sarah, good question. Sarah 29:32 Any season of Ryan Murphy's feud? Dave Dave 29:36 Oh, okay. The Devil's Plan for English viewers. It's better now than it was in the previous sort of iterations of this concept. Like they used to destroy you in the deep end with the Korean graphics and they would just never explain what was going on. You're like, Alright, I hope I can just get it from context. Sometimes you could, sometimes you couldn't, because some of the games are very steeped in Korean traditions and and idioms. I would enjoy not only pop-up facts to, you know, add to what they are explaining in real time. I wouldn't mind if it they could also pause the show and then re-explain it in even simpler terms Tara 30:14 Yeah. Dave 30:14 Or just go more into what the Fuck they're talking about when they're talking about the devil's plan equivalent of Squid Game, right? Where they're like, oh yeah, everybody plays Squid Game. Tara 30:21 Right. Dave 30:23 Remember Squid Game as a kid? I'm like, I don't Can you explain it a little further? And they'd like explain it for 10 seconds, and you're like, I still don't get it. Pause it for one minute, give me a better explanation, get back to the show. Tara 30:35 Mm-hmm. Dave 30:35 I'd be in for that too. Tara 30:36 Yeah. I would love to watch I mean, I know why they don't obviously they never would because they want you to watch the whole season and spo not be spoiled for where things go, but married at first sight would benefit me if as an episode drops, they give you updates on where the couples are as of when the episodes are coming to the viewer because You know, you kind of sometimes want to see where a certain fight netted out. Dave 31:02 Yeah. Tara 31:03 So that would be mine Dave 31:04 It's weird that that show hasn't I mean I guess they can't do it because of course they're manufacturing drama and compressing time and space. Tara 31:10 Mm-hmm. Yeah Dave 31:13 But the fact they don't have like a map with everybody's GPS signals going off where you can see how far away they are from each other, right? Tara 31:19 Yeah. Dave 31:20 I mean, that would make sense. Tara 31:21 Mm-hmm. Dave 31:21 I would like to see that information. Even if they like release it like later after the show or something like that, that's fine. Tara 31:25 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dave 31:28 I mean, not whatever. Tara 31:29 Yeah. Dave 31:29 Don't watch it anymore, but that seems like a no-brainer to me. Tara 31:32 Mm-hmm. Anymore. That makes it seem like you ever watched it. Dave 31:36 Sorry, what show did you say? Tara 31:38 Married at first sight. Dave 31:38 Oh I thought you said amazing race. My answer probably seemed really confusing when I just said it. Tara 31:46 No, I mean I s uh it sort of supports mine. If you're like you want to see how far apart they are, like yeah you do. Dave 31:52 I guess. Tara 31:52 That's what I'm talking about. Anyway. Dave 31:56 That's funny. All right, that's it for us. Here comes your question to answer, dear listeners. It comes from Bzor Laura, who asks. Who is your favorite TV chaos agent? And what is your favorite example of the chaos they set in motion? Have an idea for that? We have a channel just for you. It is called Ask Ask EHG on our Discord. Or you can answer on the webpage for this episode right on our site, extrahotgreat.com. It is time for the Extra Hot Great Tiny Cannon presenting. Today it's Sarah. Sarah 32:28 Hi, Project Runway season twenty-two is currently limping along over on Hulu. Apparently, I quit on the show in favor of reading the recaps at Reality Blurred, and I thank my esteemed colleague Andy Dennard for his yeoman service, but A far better use of my own Project Runway time has been to return to the glory days of Project Runway in the past, specifically season two, episode six. window shopping for the tiny catchphrase canon. Season two is very possibly Peak Project Runway. The only episode in the Grown Ups table canon is from the second season, and that season was full of catchphrases from Where's Andre to the lighten up it's just fashion song to It's a Motherfuckin' Walk Off. But I went with one just as dear to my heart, Zalima Griffin ordering Kara Janks to Cry and Cut. The context here because it's been 20 years, is that the designers have been tasked with creating a day-to-night look for Banana Republic. It's a pairs challenge, and designers were allowed to pair on their own. But Zulima and Kara sort of backed into their partnership and their divergent design styles led to a quote first draft that got a revolted I just don't see it from Tim Gunn during his walkthrough. And so it was that with less than an hour of workroom time left that day and the knowledge that the losing team's designers would both get the off Sulima took over a shot collar, picked a new fabric, and started issuing marching orders to a weeping Kara, clip one. Clip 34:09 All you need to do is lay it down, cut it, do the same pattern. I'm just really trying to keep calm because it's just not coming together. I know that I know the doom and I just don't think it's the right time. I don't care if you cry and cut, but you gotta cry and cut. You gotta cut at that rate. Do whatever you need to do, but you need to do. You need to work. And don't stop and cry. Sarah 34:36 Shortly after this, Daniel Vasevich comes over to give Kara a comforting hug and kiss, and I think the perception at the time was that Zulema was being mean. But I've been the Kara in these situations, and I've been the Zulema, as I think is true for many of us, which in my opinion is part of what makes the moment enduring. A big part of it is also the alliterative phrasing, of course, but we've all been overwhelmed by the seeming hopelessness of an impending deadline. We've all been frustrated by having to do therapy about that deadline with a working partner instead of you know, working. And I'd argue that the fact that Kara does cry and cut, that they do pull together a look and hang in through the curveball window display part of the challenge and come out safe at judging, adds to the moment's tiny canonical argument. Because ain't that just life? You don't get to stop and cry, you do have to cry and cut Is it just another even blunter way of saying make it work? Maybe, but that got in, so I hope you led Zulima's iconic You Gotta Cry and Cut Motherfucking Walk into the EEHG Tiny Canon. Tara 35:49 Thank you, Sarah. Dave, why don't you go first as the person with less context going in? Dave 35:54 Sure, I didn't realize this was from the same season as at some motherfucking walk-off, but that's a guy quoting Zoolander? Tara 36:01 Yes Dave 36:02 Yeah, okay. When I hear things like this, filing it away and like how can it's like a word-a-day calendar. How can I use this in my life? Tara 36:10 Mm-hmm. Dave 36:10 You know, like and you're waiting for the moment where you can pull it out. This scratches that itch, which is I like it, I want to use it, I don't want to adopt it, and I want it in my lexicon, which I think is a success for it Not a big Project Runway fan, but I like this. Tara 36:27 I forgot how fucking annoying Kerason was. She's even fucking crying in her talking head in the uh the cut of Yes. Sarah 36:34 Cara Janks, you mean? Carason. Tara 36:36 Oh yeah, Carouson with someone else. Sarah 36:37 Ver very different vibe. Tara 36:38 I'll take that again. Dave 36:39 Karasan is where the uh stronghold of the Imperial forces in Star Wars are located on the city planet of Kara-San. Tara 36:44 Right. Sarah 36:46 Mm-hmm. Tara 36:48 Yes, sorry Yeah, she's even crying in her talking head, the supercut that you found on YouTube, and like then when she thinks it's going wrong and they are miraculously saved at judging to Fuck up another day, I guess She and Zulema go behind the screen when they're safe and she like stunts and does a little dance. Like other people are about to get eliminated. Like, I know you're happy, but That's rude. But yes, Azulima saying she doesn't care if Kara cries. That is clear. But she is right. And this is a good rule for most competition shows and life. Don't stop down to cry. Dave 37:27 Yeah. Tara 37:27 Fucking get on with it. Sarah 37:29 Mm-hmm. Dave 37:30 Go to therapy after you get eliminated. Tara 37:32 Exactly. Dave 37:32 Right? I mean w do you want to work through your emotional issues during the show when you're probably gonna get eliminated for it? Tara 37:34 Yeah Dave 37:39 Or do you just want to suck it up, try to win a hundred thousand dollars? Tara 37:42 Yeah. Dave 37:42 and then spend ten thousand dollars of that off for the next couple of years of therapy. Tara 37:46 Right. And what happens is actually like they regroup They walk like a very competent dress. Like it's not thrilling, but it fits the model, right? All the finishes aren't Finished properly, but even Michael Kors is like, I think it looks good. And when we see Nina in episode two on the judging panels like Oh, she looks like she's wearing the dress that they showed. Sarah 38:09 Mm-hmm. Tara 38:09 Like it's so similar. Which is funny. So, you know, they were on to something. And uh you gotta cry and cut. Turned out to be good advice because it it worked. Dave 38:18 All right. Sarah 38:19 Yeah Dave 38:19 Tara, let's make this official. What say you for this for the tiny catchphrase canon? Tara 38:25 Yay Dave 38:26 Me too. So You gotta cry and cut from Project Runway. You are hereby inducted into the Extra Hot Great tiny catchphrase cannon! Clip 38:37 Americans love a winner. Yeah. And will not tolerate a loser. Nope. Dave 38:43 It is time to discover who are our not quite winners and not quite losers of the week. I will go first. My not quite winner is last one laughing. A very successful But w here's the history of it. I'm a little confused. Tara 38:56 Mm-hmm. Dave 38:56 But wasn't there a last one laughing like fifteen years ago on American TV?wasn't there a show that was like that? Wasn't it called Last One Laughing? Sarah 39:06 Last comic standing, is that what you're thinking of? Dave 39:07 Yes! Last comic standing Tara 39:08 Haha, very different. Sarah 39:09 And it's not like that at all, because no one laughed on that shit, because not funny. Tara 39:11 No, no, no. Dave 39:13 Okay, but here's my problem. I re okay, yes, now it's all coming back to me and they are different shows, different conceits. Last one, Laughing UK, is a whole bunch of comedians stuck in a room. You make them laugh, they're eliminated. Simple concept. They are bringing it to America, and I'm just gonna say it. Americans have poor panel show culture and it shows when they try to do one of these. Tara 39:32 Yes. Dave 39:33 Would I lie to you, America? Serviceable, instantly forgettable, one-tenth as good as the British version, and all of them. Taskmasters, same thing when they tried that here. Tara 39:45 Yeah. Sarah 39:45 They should bring back the mid-century ones, like what's my line? Dave 39:48 Yeah. Sarah 39:49 Well, it's not like we didn't invent this. It was just a different vibe. Dave 39:52 Yep Sarah 39:53 Anyway, sorry to interrupt. Dave 39:54 G no, good for the franchise, and I understand you know this isn't the first and I think it would play well in Australia and New Zealand and lots of European countries. Apparently the Canadian one's terrible, which tracks, because Tara 40:06 mhm, ajá mm Dave 40:09 Canadian comedy is more like American comedy. So good for it, but I just don't see it working here. Tara 40:15 Yeah. Dave 40:15 But prove me wrong. Not quite loser of the week is Doctor Who, as former showrunner Chris Chibnall says the CBC can't afford it. And my question is, how can they not afford it? It costs thirty dollars to make an episode of Doctor Who, and it's famously shitty looking Sarah 40:34 Yeah Tara 40:34 Yeah. Dave 40:35 And they don't need to hire a brand name to play the doctor. They just get somebody. Tara 40:38 No. Dave 40:40 They don't need an A-lister to do it. Tara 40:41 Well, the problem is that with the season ending cliffhanger Dave 40:41 Like Yeah. Tara 40:46 had them bringing back Billy Piper, who was Rose in the Christopher Eccleston years. Dave 40:50 As the doctor? Tara 40:52 That was the I believe that's the idea that she's gonna be next. Dave 40:54 The intent? Okay. Tara 40:56 So, you know, she costs. But yes, I I don't think that I don't know what they're what they're talking about, other than that the BBC is just generally under like extreme austerity measures at the moment, like firing tons of people, et cetera, et cetera. Dave 41:09 Mm-hmm. Tara 41:10 So, you know. Dave 41:10 They should have registered nurse who. Save a little buddy. Alright, that's all I got. Sarah. Sarah 41:18 Hi, um, my not quite winner is the Gilmore Girls. Uh they are getting a documentary at HBO Max. Historically, as regular listeners know, I have had less than zero. Tara 41:30 Yeah. Sarah 41:31 desire to interact with the actual show, any five minutes of which will give me hives, but I would totally watch a documentary about it, or hate watch, hats, hat watch. My not quite loser is the adopted kittens whose responsibility it was to help decompress Charlie Hunnam from the quote darkest realm of playing Ed Gein during his season of Monster. Uh I mean I read this whole interview because I was like, don't don't make companion animals do therapy for you. But he like was staying at the four seasons and hired a full-time cat sitter to hang out with them. Which is a job I would do. And hey, he's not Tory spellinging the felines, so okay, good good for him. Not great for the cats. I hope they have cool names Dave 42:20 Who's a good kitty cat? You're a good kitty cat. Tara 42:25 Puss, pus, pus, pus, pus Dave 42:27 But who wants din tins? Taurus, your turn Tara 42:33 Uh my not quite winner of the week is Marta Kaufman setting up an improvised sitcom prime video with June Diane Raphael and Paul Scheer starring. It is called dinks, but it's not the kind of dinks that are in pickleball, as you can see in the Apple TV movie The Dink. It is short for double income, no kids. I feel like they probably should change that. Unless they're trying to bri pull in the pickleball crowd who are just gonna get confused and hope that they stay. Dave 43:03 And Riot, because there's no pickleball. Tara 43:05 Yeah. Dave 43:05 I was promised pickleball, and now you're all in trouble Tara 43:08 Then again, maybe people with double income and no kids love pickleball. What do I know? Dave 43:12 Boy, double income no kids is something I thought we left behind at least two decades ago, right up there with Yu Yuppie and whatnot. Tara 43:16 I know. Right. Yeah, it's true. Uh not quite loser of the week It's Jon Bernthal, and it's not that I don't agree with the spirit of what he's saying, but you can't go on someone's podcast and say that prejudice against pit bulls is Dog racism? Buddy, consider what you're doing. Dave 43:37 Dog racism. Tara 43:39 I understand the mics come out and you just start talking, but Dave 43:43 Sure Tara 43:44 You know, maybe when you are driving home, pull over and then go text someone to say, Hey, can you cut that part where I said there's such a thing as dog racism? Sarah 43:54 Yeah. No. Dave 43:56 Wow. Sarah 43:56 Bre bully breedist, I will grudgingly allow, if you know what you're talking about, which actors Tara 44:01 Sure Dave 44:03 Well, speaking about grudgingly allowing things, do you know what's happening to extra credit segment? Tara 44:10 Something's being grudgingly allowed. Sarah 44:11 Non regulation game type. Dave 44:12 Yeah, it turned into a game type. Tara 44:14 Hey! Dave 44:25 Yes, it is a surprise game time. Today we are gonna play K Pop Quiz. In this game time, you will both play every question. I'm going to give you the literal translation of a Korean TV series. Your job, based on the title alone, is to tell me what existing English language TV show most resembles the language of the title, the words in the title Nothing to do with the actual Korean show. Tara 44:52 Okay. Dave 44:52 I just you're gonna hear a Korean literal translation and say, well that sounds most like this show. You'll each lock in, you'll give me your show, I will judge which one I think gets closest to the Mark, and you will get a point For an additional two points, I have my own answer list. And if you match my answer, you will get two points. So a possible total of three points per question. Let's throw it to PICCI, this is just going to be for the reveal order. Clip 45:19 We will start with Tara Dave 45:21 Alright, so Tara, you'll just give your answer first after everybody is locked in. We've got 27 titles, no Grosswirth equalizer challenge zones. Tara 45:27 Okay. Dave 45:30 Are we ready to play K-pop quiz? Tara 45:31 Yes Sarah 45:32 Maybe Dave 45:32 All right, so to remind you, I'm going to give you the literal translation. I want you guys to lock in with the show that you think it most matches. Here we go. It is called The Lonely and Great God. The Lonely and Great God. If you had to mash that with an American or UK or Canadian or Australian show, something we watch. What show would you marry to that title? Gonna ask you to hands up when you're locked in. All right, Tara, let's hear it. Tara 46:04 Alone Dave 46:05 Sarah. Sarah 46:06 Cupid Dave 46:08 I am going to give this one to Sarah. Clip 46:09 Kato and both play. Dave 46:10 I like Cupid. Tara 46:10 Yeah. Dave 46:11 There are no matches with mine, which is Dominion. Clip 46:14 There's one to get the one canoe because Tara 46:15 Oh, okay. Sarah 46:16 Wow, okay Tara 46:16 Okay, I'm sorry. So she gets one point. Dave 46:18 One point, two points if you match me. Tara 46:19 Okay. Got it. Dave 46:22 Next title is Bring It On, Ghost. Bring it on, Ghost. Sarah 46:29 This isn't the show I mean, but there's, you know, time constraints. So what we do in the shadows? Dave 46:35 Okay. Tara 46:36 Poltergeist, the series, which did exist at one point. Dave 46:40 Alright, well we gotta go for that direct ghost reference. My answer was Scooby-Doo, where are you? Clip 46:45 Or uncomfortable. Sarah 46:45 Ah, okay Tara 46:46 Okay. Clip 46:47 Oh yeah. Dave 46:48 Our third title is Third Rate My Way. Third Rate My Way. Tara is locked in. Sarah's locked in, Tara. Let's hear your title. Tara 46:58 Viva Laughlin. Dave 47:00 Mmm, Sarah? Sarah 47:01 Better call Saul. Dave 47:04 Ooh boy. Third rate my way. I'm gonna give this one to Tara. I think the Laughlin speaks more to the third rate class in that title. My answer here was it's always sunny in Philadelphia, which I think speaks to the same tradition. Tara 47:18 Okay, yep, sure. Sarah 47:18 Oh, okay. Tara 47:20 Mm Dave 47:20 All right, fourth title is Love's Emergency Landing, which I will tell you is the literal translation of Crash Landing on You, a show that we watched. Tara 47:28 On you, sure. Say that again, please Dave 47:31 Loves emergency landing. Sarah 47:34 Fantasy Island Dave 47:35 Uh-huh. Alright, good. Tara 47:38 Pan Am that's a blast from the past Dave 47:38 Pan am I giving this one to Sarah D. Bunting? No match for Dear Edward. Sarah 47:45 Oh wow, sure is Dave 47:48 Next one, who came from a star? Who came from a star? Tara 47:54 Oh no. Fuck! Sarah 47:56 Fuck. Tara 47:57 There's a s there's a show that really matches and I can't remember what it's actually called. Sarah 47:57 Fuck. Yes, and I can't think of it. Tara 48:01 Uh Sarah 48:02 I give up. Tara 48:03 What came what came from a star? Dave 48:03 Sarah's locked in. Tara 48:06 Okay. Dave 48:06 Who who you came from a star? Tara 48:07 Who came from a star? You came from a star, okay. Dave 48:09 Alright, you came from a star, Tara. Tara 48:11 Mork and Mindy Dave 48:13 Sarah Sarah 48:14 I like Taras. I was thinking of the show that came on before Night Rider, which was about this alien guy who looked like Donnie Osmond. Clip 48:18 Yeah. Dave 48:19 Yeah. Uh-huh. Sarah 48:22 I could not pull the name, so with Fringe. Dave 48:24 Isn't it called The Adventures of Matthew Starr? Sarah 48:26 Yes. Powers of Matthew Starr, thank you. Dave 48:29 So there you go. Sarah 48:29 Fuck Dave 48:30 Alright, giving this one to Tara. I went with Roswell from the stars. Tara 48:35 Ah, ajá Dave 48:36 Yes. They're aliens. Aliens. Next one. Why does Secretary Kim act that way? Clip 48:40 I'm not sure. Dave 48:46 Why does Secretary Kim act that way? Tara. Clip 48:52 And condongo, cause I may call the cable. Tara 48:52 Designated survivor. Dave 48:53 Ooh, I'm gonna give this one to Veep. Clip 48:55 If both is good, you go to go, they will go to someone control. Dave 48:55 The answer was Madam Secretary. Next title, Pretty Older Sister Who Buys Meals Well Clip 49:00 Because I know Dave 49:03 Pretty older sister who buys meals well. Sarah instantly got an answer Tara's got her answer. Alright, pretty older sister who buys meals well, matched up with another show, Tara. Tara 49:18 Friends Sarah 49:19 Chand Dave 49:20 Friends and charm, both not great answers. I'm giving no points. Tara 49:25 Oh okay Dave 49:26 The answer here was supermarket sweep. Sarah 49:30 Oh. We we betrayed it, Tara. Tara 49:33 Mm-hmm. Sarah 49:34 We betrayed supermarket sweep. Dave 49:36 Romantic Doctor Teacher Kim. Romantic Doctor Teacher Kim. Alright, everybody's locked in. Sarah, what are you matching this one with? Sarah 49:44 Crazy anatomy. Dave 49:45 Tar. Tara 49:45 Damn Dave 49:46 Same and everybody gets three points. That was, of course, both the best answer and the correct answer. Sarah 49:49 Oh, Dave 49:53 Three points. Tara 49:54 By the way, the show I was trying to think of with the Star one was Out of This World, where Evie is the daughter of an alien and who's voiced by Burt Reynolds in like a jewel box or something. Dave 49:58 Oh yeah. Sarah 49:59 Oh, right. Dave 49:59 With Burt Reynolds. Sarah 50:03 Yeah. Dave 50:03 Yeah. Sarah 50:04 Donna Peskow Dave 50:05 Yep. Tara 50:06 Yep. Dave 50:06 Please enter a search term www. Please enter a search term w Alright, everybody's locked in. Tara, what are you matching that one up with? Tara 50:21 Freaky Lynx Dave 50:22 Freaky Links, Sarah. Sarah 50:24 Lone Gunman. Dave 50:25 Oh, ooh. Clip 50:25 Bombarius is all mind going. Dave 50:27 I think Freaky Links is a little closer, but not by much. Sarah 50:30 It is. Dave 50:32 My answer was Silicon Valley, so I think we were all circling the same idea. Clip 50:33 It's all one you can Tara 50:34 Mm-hmm. Sarah 50:34 Mm, okay Tara 50:35 Mm-hmm. Dave 50:37 Psycho, but it's okay. Psycho, but it's okay. Alright, everybody is locked in very quickly. Sarah D. Bunting Psycho, but it's okay. Clip 50:46 Kiddle both green bowl I have cable I bought badly I want to Tara 50:46 I feel like we're gonna match. Sarah 50:47 Crazy ex-girlfriend Tara 50:48 Oh! We didn't match. Dexter. Dave 50:51 Crazy X Girlfriend is both better and the correct answer. Sarah 50:52 Oh Dave 50:55 Three points for Sarah. Next title is Wise Doctor Life. Wise Doctor Life Sarah is locked in. Tara is locked in. Alright, wise Doctor Life. What is the show to match to that, Tara? Tara 51:11 It's just the one that's just called Doc, the Molly Parker one. Dave 51:13 Doc, okay, yep. All right, Sarah. Sarah 51:16 Oh yeah. Um I went with house Dave 51:18 House. Ooh. Boy. I thought you were gonna go with um everwood. I was expecting an Everwood answer from Sarah. Tara 51:24 Oh yeah. Sarah 51:25 Oh, I said house Tara 51:26 That's a good one. Dave 51:27 What are your answers again? Tara 51:28 I said doc. Dave 51:30 And I'm gonna go with house on this one. My answer was Quincy MD Tara 51:35 Mm-hmm. Sarah 51:36 Oh, okay. Dave 51:37 Next title, My Middle Aged Man. My Middle Aged Man Sarah 51:43 And just like that Dave 51:45 Tara. Tara 51:46 Trophy wife Dave 51:47 Ooh, I'm gonna go. Ooh boy. I'm gonna give you both a point for that one. They were both good, just attacking up from different vectors. My answer was married with children. Sarah 51:57 Oh, okay. Dave 51:59 Drinker City Women, Drinker City Women, Drinker City Women And Sarah Clip 52:02 Yeah. Tara 52:06 Sex in the city. Sarah 52:08 I couldn't go back to that well, so Cougar Town. Tara 52:09 Oh no. Dave 52:12 All right, Tara wins three points. Tara 52:12 Ah Dave 52:14 That was the better and correct answer. Sex in the city. This will take us into our score break. Now our school is. Dot dot dot. Now our school is Sarah 52:27 Uh oh my god, it just fell out of my head. What is my problem? Give me the clue again? Tara 52:33 Now our school is dot dot dot Sarah 52:33 You can cuddle this. Oh right, sorry. Buffy the vampire slayer Dave 52:37 Oh, Ta Tara 52:39 Save by the Bell remake Dave 52:41 Ooh, all right. Sarah 52:42 Oh Dave 52:43 Yeah, I like that time play with Tara's. We're gonna give her that one. I was answering Abbott Elementary, but I think Tara's answer is uh really good. Clip 52:50 I want to go on the car and Dave 52:52 All right, that is Sarah 52:52 Mm-hmm. Dave 52:54 Halfway done, basically, let's get the scores. Tara 52:56 Mm-hmm. I think I missed one when I was trying to think of w out of this world, so I have a s tied with eleven each. Sarah? Sarah 53:03 I have Tara with twelve, me with eleven. Tara 53:05 Okay. Dave 53:06 Alright, let's get back into it. Tara 53:06 Okay. Dave 53:09 Next title from Korea that has been literally translated and you must match with the show from elsewhere is Answer Me 1988. Clip 53:09 I have a gold barn. Dave 53:17 Answer me, 1988! After everybody's locked in, we will go to Tara for her answer. Tara 53:23 I don't even know if this is from nineteen eighty-eight, but TV one oh one Dave 53:27 Sarah Sarah 53:29 I went with LA Law Tara 53:31 Mm, I like that Dave 53:34 I went with the Wonder Years, even though I'm sure it doesn't line up, but I think the spirit of it is there. And I'm going to probably I'm going to say no points for that one. I don't like anybody's answer. Alright, next one is Fishing Village Cha-Cha-Cha. Fishing Village Cha-Cha-Cha Sarah 53:54 Northern exposure, cha cha cha. Tara 53:57 Widow's Bay Dave 53:58 Ooh Yeah, I think Widow Bay's gotta take that one. I put the beachcombers From Canada. Sarah 54:06 Ah, okay. Dave 54:07 This is question 17. Sarah 54:09 Sprite eagle. Dave 54:10 Lessons in being human. Heard of them. Tar. Tara 54:15 Starman the TV show Dave 54:17 Sarah. Sarah 54:19 It's the it's not out of this world, it's the other one where she's the robot. Dave 54:23 Small wonder. Tara 54:23 Small wonder. Sarah 54:23 Her name is Yes, Small Wonder. Dave 54:26 Alright, I'm gonna give this one to Small Wonder, but nobody matched the good place. The good place Sarah 54:31 Oh okay Tara 54:32 Uh huh. Dave 54:33 Next title: The Way City Men and Women Love. The Way City Men and Women Love. Alright, everybody's locked in. Let me hear it, Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 54:44 Sex in the city Dave 54:45 Sex in the city again. Tara. Tara 54:47 Thirty something. Dave 54:48 Ooh, 30 something. I'm gonna give this one to Tara. We already had that. I will let you know. I didn't say it up front, but there are no repeat my answers anyways. Tara 54:56 Mm-hmm. Sarah 54:57 Okay. Dave 54:58 But that doesn't stop you from answering whatever you care for in the moment. My answer for this one was you're the worst. Which by the way Sarah 55:05 Oh yep Tara 55:05 Uh-huh. That's good. Dave 55:07 Steve just gotta show something or other today, I saw. Tara 55:10 Another one? Dave 55:10 Yeah. Uh No, it's not that. Tara 55:12 Cause we talked about hitman. Sarah 55:14 Mm-hmm Dave 55:14 It's something else. Tara 55:15 Oh, good for Ste Dave 55:16 It's not it's an adaptation of something and it I just saw it just before we started, so I don't have it in my head. Clip 55:18 And all that can go. Tara 55:20 Is that the other thing? Clip 55:21 Because I'll be a colour. Dave 55:21 This is question Clip 55:23 Oh, I think all nine. Oh my tea. Tara 55:27 The uh update on Ste's new show, he is adapting a book, I guess, called Bad News Dads with uh at Brillante Productions. Dave 55:33 There you go. Sarah 55:33 Okay. Dave 55:36 Mm-hmm. Sarah 55:37 Oh nice Dave 55:38 Alright, your next title is Coffee Prince Brand Number One. Coffee Prince Brand Number One. Sarah 55:46 Uh, Gilmore Girls. Dave 55:48 Ooh, Tara. Tara 55:49 It's good. Um, Union Square, which I think had a coffee shop in it. Dave 55:53 Sure, yeah. Alright, I'm gonna give this one to Sarah. My answer was curb your enthusiasm for the Larry's latte season. Tara 56:00 Oh yeah, sure. Dave 56:01 Yeah. Sarah 56:01 Oh, okay Dave 56:02 All right, we're getting towards the end here. This one is men more than flowers. Men more than flowers. Tara 56:09 Men of a certain age. Dave 56:13 Oh. Yeah, okay, you give this one to Tara. The Dave Match answer was pushing daisies. Tara 56:22 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Sarah 56:22 Oh, okay. Dave 56:22 All right, this is for Sarah. We'll do a quick score break after this one as we almost wrap it up. A gentleman's dignity. A gentleman's dignity. Tara 56:33 I feel like I've never watched a TV show about a gentleman's dignity. Sarah 56:37 This could be so many. Dave 56:39 A gentleman's dignity starring Igby Rigeby. Alright, sorry D. Bunting. What shall we be matching this with? Clip 56:47 I want to go with everyone. Sarah 56:47 Don't nappy Dave 56:48 Yeah, that's very nice, Tara. Clip 56:48 I want to hit the work. Tara 56:50 Hang. Dave 56:53 Alright, we'll give this one to Tara. Clip 56:54 I want to go with everyone. Dave 56:54 Maybe laugh. My answer was gentleman Jack. Clip 56:56 I want to hit the work. Tara 56:57 Aha Sarah 56:58 Oh, sure. Dave 57:00 Alright, let's get the scores. There are four titles left. Tara 57:03 Okay. Sarah, please fact check me. I have you with fourteen, me with sixteen. Sarah 57:09 Concur Dave 57:09 All right, close game. Tara 57:09 Thank you. Dave 57:12 Next title: The Moon That Embraces the Sun. The Moon That Embraces the Sun Tara 57:20 Space Show, aka for all mankind. Dave 57:23 Okay, Sarah Sarah 57:26 Vampire Listette. Tara 57:29 Okay, I get it. Dave 57:30 Yeah, yeah, all right. Sarah 57:31 Mm-hmm. Dave 57:31 I like the uh outside the box thinking of Sarah D. Bunting on that one. The answer, the moon that goes off course and may embrace the sun against Because all wishes of those on the moon, space 1999. Tara 57:45 Oh, of course. Sarah 57:46 Oh yeah, of course. Dave 57:47 Next title, That Winter the Wind Blows. That winter the wind blows. Sarah instantly locking in. Clip 57:55 And roll it. Dave 57:57 Tara still thinking. That winter the wind blows. Tara 57:59 Mm-hmm. Yep. Dave 58:01 Alright, locked in. Sarah D. Bunting. What do you got for this? Sarah 58:04 Game of Thrones Dave 58:05 Tara. Tara 58:06 I considered that, but I went with northern exposure. Dave 58:08 The answer was Game of Thrones, three points for Sarah D. Tara 58:10 Nice, uh-huh Dave 58:11 Bunting. Sarah 58:12 Oh come back trail Dave 58:13 All right. Two questions left Women's world under heaven. Women's world under heaven. Alright, Tara. Tara 58:24 Call the midway Dave 58:24 Call the midwife, Sara D. Clip 58:25 And what does it come? Dave 58:26 Bunting. Sarah 58:27 Golden Girls Dave 58:28 Golden Girls. Ooh, I like golden girls. We'll give you that. Correct answer, Star Maidens. Sarah 58:36 Oh, sure. Tara 58:36 Sure. Dave 58:36 The actual women's world out in space. Tara 58:38 Yeah Sarah 58:39 Mm-hmm. Dave 58:39 Last question coming at you. Let me just quickly get the scores. Tara 58:42 Okay, I think that I am mathematically eliminated. I still have sixteen. Sara D. Bunty has pulled ahead with nanna na na nineteen. Dave 58:50 Uh, you could force a tie in theory. Sarah 58:51 Hey, mm-hmm. Tara 58:53 Hmm. Dave 58:53 Here we go. My husband for 100 Days is your last title. Clip 58:59 No, I'm not going to be able to do it. Dave 59:00 My husband for 100 Days Sarah 59:03 Ninety day fiance Dave 59:05 Tara. Tara 59:06 Keeping up with Kardashians. Dave 59:08 Alright. For the number work, I'm giving this one to Sarah. Tara 59:11 Yep Dave 59:12 I put married at first sight, but I think 90 days fiance is actually a better answer because we're only 10 off. Sarah 59:12 Oh, yep. Tara 59:13 Mm-hmm, that's good. Yep. Mm-hmm. Dave 59:17 Forgot about that one. All right, so I think Sarah D. Bunting took it. Let's get the phone scores. Tara 59:21 That's correct. I finished with 16. Sarah D. Bunting finished so strong. Twenty Sarah 59:28 That was very fun, I liked that. Dave 59:30 Let's do the tiebreaker since I've done it. The show is called Hot Blooded Priest. Hot Blooded Priest What actual other show are we going to stick that title in and make it work? Everybody's locked in. All right, let's hear from Tara first. Tara 59:47 I mean it was technically a show, it was a mini-series, but Thorn Birds. Dave 59:50 Uh-huh. Thorn Birds, alright. Sarah 59:54 Oh yeah. Dave 59:55 Sarah. Sarah 59:55 I went with Lucifer. Dave 59:57 Lucifer, alright. The answer here was fleabag. Fleabag. Tara 01:00:01 Ah, of course it was. Sarah 01:00:02 Oh, of course, Jet Tara 01:00:06 Does anyone get a point? Clip 01:00:07 Well, Dave 01:00:08 Um, I'm gonna give you each five points Tara 01:00:11 Oh Sarah 01:00:11 Oh. Dave 01:00:12 Just for being nice. Sarah 01:00:12 Thanks. Did I win anything or just smugness? Dave 01:00:15 Oh yeah, well I'll get some. I'm gonna uh get you some Korean Sarah 01:00:19 Understand, sponged us is enough, but I will also accept Korean stacks. Dave 01:00:23 Okay, great. Alright, guys, that is it for another episode of Extra, Extra Hot Gray. We took a stab at Ryan Murphy's latest The Shards before answering your burning ass EHG questions like What shows need pop-up video and what's sticking out of your grocery bag? Sarah didn't have to cut and cry after getting her Project Runway catchphrase into the tiny cannon. We celebrated those who weren't quite the best and worst of the week and wrapped it all up with the surprise Korean TV game time. Next up it is Anna Pigeon! Clip 01:00:58 We're listening. Dave 01:01:02 I am David Teagle on behalf of Tara Ariano. Tara 01:01:06 None of us made it out alive. Dave 01:01:07 And Sarah D. Bunting. Sarah 01:01:10 It's a motherfucking walk off Dave 01:01:11 Thanks for listening everyone and we'll see you next time right here on Extra Hot Cray Clip 01:01:27 I think we should stop this. Stop what This This is Extra Hot Great Minis. Today's topic is game changers. This topic comes to us from Kim Reed. It is an extra credit. And she asks, what's our favorite game changer episode of TV?her example, which thanks a lot, Kim, now none of us can take it, is The post-Super Bowl episode of Alias where they shut down SD6 and you were like, What is the show gonna be about now? That may have also been the one that introduced Evil Francie. I think that's right. Anyway, since I couldn't pick that, that would probably be my actual answer. I'll go first. Mine is one that actually just came up in Game Time, the episode of Friends where Chandler and Monica start their romantic relationship. Just because it it really did change the show, but it also was so unexpected. I no one saw it coming and it was really a fun thing to do on that show and that's my pick. Dave. While we're on the topic of game time, I found the question that uh I missed in last game time. So uh first person to well actually this is a thing. Closest answer gets 10 day points This is from round four, Important Milestones. And the question is, how in how many episodes into Beverly Hills 90210 did the senior class protest for Donna Martin to graduate? A hundred. Sarah. Uh 90. Mark. Abstain. Oh, 90 wins. It was 78. So hunting, you get 10 day points. All right, back to the topic at hand. Which is what? Oh yeah, game changers. I have a few. One that I didn't even see, but you could tell which was the end of season I'm gonna say three or maybe four of Dexter, where we find Rita in the tub. uh kind of changed the tone of that show very quickly. The season three finale of Star Trek Next Generation when Picard is assimilated into the Borg. Uh that really stepped that show up to a new level, became sort of his own show. But my one I wanna say in Tara, I mean I want to cover your ears, and it's uh Gus Spring's Death. on Breaking Bad, and that really marked the start, uh the beginning of the end for Walter White, because that was his last sort of foe before the Empire became the Walter White Empire. And uh really that character from that point on was successfully doomed. Yeah. Mark. Okay, I chose The episode of The Office called New Boss, which is where Michael quits Dunder Mifflin and decides to start the Michael Scott paper company. And obviously that company didn't last long, but that is an episode that really was startling because it showed you that the world of this show could actually really change and it wasn't gonna get trapped forever. in uh repeating the same sitcom trope over and over, but more importantly, that action leads to Pam's complete overhaul as a character, where she goes from exception to sales. And becomes much more forceful and I think interesting. So that's my choice. Yeah, good one. Sarah. In honor of our esteemed colleague Kim Reed, I sort of wanted to pick the episode of Felicity in which we finally get rid of Julie. It was really a game changer so much as a game winner. So I don't know why I have a boner for fringe this week, but I am gonna go with the season one finale There's More Than One of Everything, which is the possibly greatest zoom out reveal in TV history It I think intros or at least solidifies the alternate universe stuff. There's William Bell in the World Trade Center, enough said. It was really a fantastic ending and you could not wait to see what was gonna happen in season two. So that's my choice Good picks everybody.